Re-Connected October 27th, 2022: Announcements, Extreme Horror, and More with Jon Peters!!

What's going on? Everybody? I am like rolling into here a little bit late tonight, but I had to do it because I'm here with a good friend of mine, mister John Peters. John, how are we doing tonight? What's going man? It's doing doing pretty well. It's uh, it's been an interesting couple of weeks around here. We both live not you know, right next to each other, but semi close. And uh, first off, weather can't make up its mind. So my body is like revolting

at the moment. Yeah. I keep having to clear my throat like every four minutes, and god, dang do I hate that. Yeah. On top of that, we are tonight gonna be ending our conversation talking about extreme horror. So to celebrate, I've got a little margarita for the first time, drinking something on camera for the first time through all of this, Guys, John is amazing. John is a patron friend of the show, friend of mine amedim in person. Earlier this year was a wonderful time. I

think I was at first. Yeah, I think so. I definitely think so. Before we get into announcements, we're gonna cover a whole bunch of stuff, Like, first of all, who is John Peters and why are you here? Like why physical media? Why is that something you're into? Physical media has always been part of my life as from a little boy, Me and my uncle collected comics, so the world of collecting was always inhabited in my head. You know, nice being stuff, nice, keeping stuff

organized. When you get older, start collecting more expensive comics, action figures, and then you know, throughout movies VHS. I'd say by the time I was like twelve, I think I was like complete on John Claude and Damm, VHS's Bruce Lee that and then you know, then you start recording stuff off of pay per view HBO, you start organizing it, and then

the DVD came around nine nine two thousand and just exploded from there. I don't think I've ever stopped much to maybe my parents and ex wives and girlfriends. Sugarin, Yeah, I've gone through that cycle a few times. I'm curious, at what point did you realize, like, I have a collection. It sounds like you may have sought out to do that from the very beginning, but was there a point where you're like, Okay, damn, I really got to take care of this stuff, because now it's important.

It was always It was always like that. I don't know if I should tell the story, but tell it. I broke up. I broke up with the fiance in my twenties and it was a real bad fight and she got mad at me and tipped my collection over and I called my mom over to help me move out, and she sprung her She tore her a c

L helping me move my physical media collection out at that night. So that's how important the stuff always was to me, you know, because Uh, I think we go through phases and what we collect, you know, we go through like mainstream stuff and then we find some sort of subgenre niche and stuff. But I mean, you know, it's just it's my thing. Don't tip it over. Well, through through families, broken and intact,

physical media seems to always be there. I would agree with you. Tonight, we're gonna make it all about family, ranging from mothers tearing the airs their a c L to uh, we're gonna we're gonna be talking about a Serbian film and how family plays into that. That was that was a terrible segue, but uh, he even brought the goods wearing a T shirt of a Serbian film love that we are, like I said, gonna be talking about extreme horror and why it's a thing, why why it's something that we

watch, and what exactly is the point behind it. But first we got to do announcements. But that's not even the special part. John being here is the special part. So getting into your collection, You got any recent pickups you'd like to share with the group. Yeah, if you follow Ryan's Patreon you've probably seen a few of these. But House the Psychotic Wagman seems to be thus set everyone's talking about and getting and one movie in and it's

it's pretty awesome. Which one did you watch? Identicate? Yeah, it's the cover art, it's Elizabeth Taylor, it's Andy Warhol makes an appearance in it. So it's a pretty wild movie to start off on. It's good. First, speaking of Severn, I got a little bit more of their October titles. Nice, My Grandpa's a Vampire aka Grandpire aka moon Rise. It's pretty cute. Is it actually called Grandpire in one of the releases in Canada? And Canada? I did not know that. Okay, that's fantastic

Grandpire. Al Lewis is a hoop during it. Yeah, it's kind of a great film, a good family film, probably one of the better seven kids to like introduce kids into being a gateway horde and then uh, all right, I can't get that camera there. Okay, nice, It's one of the I'm not a ghost movie fan. I don't know why ghosts are staple of horror, and I'm just like, eh, it took me a long time to get into the conjuring films after so many friends bade me you

had a watch. I'm just not into ghost stuff. I don't know why. But Changeling real good, George Scott, it's one of the better ones, for sure. Do you have that ball that Severn made for the Blu ray release that I do? Yeah? Yeah it is. It is hefty, and it's not something that they advertised. It is a legitimate like ball ball. That thing is heavy, it is. That's a good question. I don't think I've tried to bounce it, but yeah, I've got it

right now. I'm staring at it directly across from me in my top shelf. It is being straddled by the knees of the anthropophatic anthropophagist plush eating his guts. Yeah, that's a that's my Severn shelf right next to Uncle Jess. Uh the tree topper right next to it, you have the tree chopper of Jess Franco. I've got the Jess Franco treetopper, even though I don't to argue about discord all the time, all the damn time. Yeah, I mean, there's some Jess Franco I've liked, some that I haven't liked,

and either way, I respect the hell out of him. He is prolific, like crazy. Uh yeah, Frank, I mean there's a few that don't hit for me, but once you vibe them, it's like live jazz music, you know, it just kind of flows and you're just into it, especially when he was literally a composer on some of these that seven put it out. Yeah, and then some al Adamson I didn't get the box set, so that's kind of happy for this. Yeah. The compy

is the documentary. Yeah, that documentary is fantastic. Yeah, it's one of the best ones they've ever done. H that's some that's some decent Pickups. Seven has been picking it up lately the last month and a half or so. It's it's pretty great. I think they had like a bottleneck with production on some of their stuff, and then it's been an explosion of all

their titles at once. The fact that Steckler and the House of Psychotic Women basically shipped at the same time is kind of crazy when you think about it. Steckler set awesome. I've not checked in with everybody tonight. What's going on, Ragnar, Glad you're here. Josephine got a promotion at the library. Congratulations, gonna be teaching writing lessons for the adult special needs. That's great. Anthony Shuita started the show for you. Congratulations video. This is

a very funny typo. I think wait, I need to pie first, not pee, but pie video man, and I hope you enjoyed your pie. Terry's here. What's going on? By Ferd to Hobbit, Hello, Eric, Antoine, Sean, bren Dave, all my good friends, John, Demarcico, Quiet, Rob, we missed you last week. Glad you're back. Maximus, who constantly duels with John in the comments on the discord, Mitchell, you're good. You weren't that late. I'm HAPPI you're here.

There's Cam just coming off of Fresh John argument recently. I'm sure Ragnar brought up August Underground. That's a good one that we'll probably talk about a little bit tonight. Let's see, not big on ghosts, although I will always trust Scooby Doo. How can you not, Ken Carlson, what's going

on? All right? So we talked about recent pickups. What about some major recent watches, because you've had a I don't even know the proper way to say this, A A metric fuck ton of them in the last two months is probably the best most technical way to mention how many you've watched. Yeah, it just seemed like things were lining up where I could do such a watch list. Right twenty seventeen, I had a personal issue and I literally only watched like two or three movies that month, and I just vowed

vengeance ever since then. And so everyone does a Halloween watch list, you know, one a day or I don't know whatever someone does. But I decided to start mid September first. Today, what were you up to? Eighty eighty seven or something like I'm looking right now, eighty six movies and two TV shows. Geez, yeah, you're a little better off to myself. That's pretty damn great. So, what what has been the last few for this this week. Uh, I just watched a lot of stuff.

Uh, the Third Eye out of this the tiger gothic set from aerow Third Eye was real cool. Has a very young Franco Neiro doing a Norman Bates type thing. If you read my review in the Discord, it's actually the movie that Joe to Moodel remade for Beyond the Darkness. Uh, just you know, Joe demottoed it up. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I've been tackling off Mexican horror. Yeah, that's been a highlight to read for me this year. Yeah, seven or eight titles. They've

been really cool, you know. Uh lately with physical media, Uh, Asian films have been the stuff that a lot of company has been going after. And rightfully so, the stuff's amazing. I mean I grew up on that my college years as well. But I just really wanted to put my compass to something that I was kind of blind to this year, and I did a lot of Mexican stuff. The Witch's Mirror was real crazy, spectacle, Black Pid, Doctor m is great. Phantom of the Monastery one of

Mexico's I think second talking horror film. I could be wrong on that, but that was real good, real good. If anybody wants to look for any of these titles, I believe they were under the Casa Negra line, right, And yes, Costain Neegra DVDs are still relatively in stock except for one or two. You might have to pay forty to seventy dollars on eBay. But also you can still get a Grindhouse and Diabolic for like ten bucks,

if that nice. Yeah, a lot of those were printed like more than ten or twelve years ago, so yeah, yeah, they've gone a very far down price. And I would not be surprised if Mexican horror started making like one of the trends that started getting good HD prints in the next couple of years. And it seems like Indicator kind of leading the push on that a little bit. Yeah, they started off with the two of them

are real good. Yeah. If we could see something like Amanda Macabre get one in there, then yeah, I could see some more getting some big attention s artist wants to know anything other than horror on Casanegra's at all horror. No, they just focus strictly on Mexican horror. I think they did about eight titles now is about it eight titles Crazy Speaking to Monda Micabro, Ragnar says, don't forget they have a Halloween sale this weekend. That is

correct. We will probably be bringing that up just a little while tonight. Eric just got done with Bodies, Bodi's Bodies right before the stream. I'd love to hear what you think, Eric, because that's one a lot of people, uh just let pass by this summer, but I think it's one of the best ones out there. So you're you're collecting, how do you how do you determine what to purchase next other than what money limits to because

I know that there's a lot of interest that you have. Yeah, that's the you know, the thorn in the side of us, Right, we're pretty open minded. I think most people are open minded. If you're still collective physical media in twenty twenty two, I mean if you aren't, I mean you still have your choice of a lot of stuff, right, a lot a lot of different labels, focus on a lot of different things.

You know, pick your poison because you'll be happy regardless. Uh. For me, it's I don't know, it's like a I just spin the wheel and it's like, yeah, get the newest one from errow get the newest one, but I focus on Severn. I like euro Whore, always have once I discovered it. My uh teens collag years just pop from it. Was the lurd titles, there's the colors, there's the music. I didn't know what was going on back then, but through time you learn more and

you watch them over and over again. So I've seven hits, my spot a lot Mona Macabro just for blind buying oddities. Can't go wrong with any of those. That is too too true. I completely agree. Mona Macabre pretty much hits everything out of the park. Hard to argue with any of their discs because they are either obscure or well known underground and usually fairly hard to find, and now that they're putting them out, it's just, oh

my gosh, right for Discovery ready to go. But you mentioned euro Whore, and I think it's time that I talk about my most recent watch, which is pretty damn cool, and that's last night. I got to see Suspiria on the big screen at a theater here in Kansas City. And the thing that made it extra special, other than seeing a forty five year old

film on the big screen. Claudio Siminetti brought Goblin along and the score live along with it, And man, if that tour is coming anywhere near you and it's not sold out yet, and I'm sure it will, because like Kansas City did two nights and both nights sold out, So if it is, everybody should be seeking that out. I believe they're playing most of the US over the next like eight weeks. I think Kansas City was the first stop on the tour, and it was it was kind of amazing. The

score played with the movie itself was good. Obviously it's in a little theater room. Not little, of course, it's like a two hundred person theater, but it's it was loud a little overwhelming, but with the film like Suspiria, which is already very in your face colors wise, now it's in your face colors wise and on the ears, so it was a little bit of sense overload. But even then, it is such a better experience to have it just going into your veins like that. And then I thought it

was decent. But then Goblin stayed after and played for another full hour. They played, they played Phenomena, they play Tenebrae, they played a couple originals that they've got. They've played a three track like medley from Donod the Dead, which was great. They kind of killed it. It was so great to see Claudia Siminetti still doing this in twenty twenty two. Yeah,

completely worth it. It was fairly cheap here, and from what I can see everywhere else, it's not too bad around, like fifty bucks to get into for the movie and the show. But then they're doing this crazy VIP package too, which gets you a couple pieces of merch and then a meet and greet with them, so you pay for the show and the VIP upgrade

is like another one hundred and twenty five bucks on top of that. I personally couldn't see paying almost two hundred dollars just to see Goblin play with Suspiria and get a VIP thing. But hey, if that's exactly your thing, go go all for it. It's pretty dang cool. Yeah, it sounds it was it a four K scan of Suspiria. I believe it was. It looked like it. The only thing that I did not love is, of course they played the English version rather than or they played the dub rather

than playing the Oge and subbed of course. Of course, anyways, like I said, we are going to be talking about extreme horror tonight after our announcements, but that means first we should probably get to these announcements, and we got a whole lot of stuff to talk about first one up right after our show last week, Like I was still I was still on camera talking to Bob last week when this got announced December fifteenth, we are getting the

first four K from Imprint Films. It is The War of the World's coming in a four K steel book with a lenticular hard case on it. And this is kind of cool because it was the first Imprint title as well, so now it's also their first four K. I completely saw this coming because paramounts of obviously putting out in four K here in the States, War of

the Worlds, you into any of the old sci fi stuff too. Yeah, I grew up on that my when I was younger, my parents, you know, worked day jobs, so they sent me over to my grandparents and manco would come over and be like, hey, let's watch War the World's or this Island Earth or something. So yeah, this suff's mainstay of my childhood. Yeah, there's a. This is obviously a great capstone film

for a lot of people, glad they're putting it out. Unfortunately, because of some of the pockets of this hobby the moment I got announced, people are complaining about the color thing that came up after the four K, that Mars was bluish or whatever. So we'll see. I mean, on that argument, I don't even know who's right. Supposedly the original cut was actually kind of blue and not red, so if that's what they meant, like,

I'd I'd rather see the original intention. I think it's in our heads because Mars is the red planet, right, But if it's the original tent, they had the blue tent. Unfortunately, that's what it is, right, Uh. Quiet, Rob is going to see Suspiria. Nice. Uh. Terry wanted to bring up another cool element of Mexican horror of the early era is their love of blending horror with other genres. And I believe, uh gosh, which one is that? Was it the Phantom of the Monastery.

It's got like a romance story and weaved into it. I think, yeah, yeah, it has a lot love try and going in it. It's like a husband and wife and then it's like his brother. It's really weird. Yeah yeah by Ford Hobbit. Anybody watching one hundred and one Best Horror Scenes at eight episode series on Shutter, I don't know have you kept up with any of that on Shuddar? I watched the first episode and then I got sidetracked with my watch was I was pleasantly surprised. I think I'm

on episode like, I'm fairly cut up. I think I need to watch last week still. But it is surprisingly deep cutty. Usually with series like that, they're like, oh my gosh, the Exorcist is the scariest film ever. Next up, when you you haven't heard of the Blair Witch Project, and it's not like that. It is actual, like you did to hear that, really really good deep cut films, which is nice to see.

I'm into that. Let's go to the next one, which is, of course, one of the easy ways to stay up to date in this hobby, and that's with sales. Barnes and Noble holding their fall Aero video sale. Everything is half off of the MSRP right now in stores if you're lucky enough to have some Aero titles in stores, and then online as well, so you can get the brand new Gothic Fantastico set. I think that's fifty bucks right now, which is a pretty great deal for a brand new

release. It's yeah, I can't pass it up. And then count Yorga was down to like twenty eight or thirty two or something like that ridiculously. I yeah, I got to look into that more. Speaking of looking into this more, a lot of people have looked into David Cronberg over the years and realized we are only missing one film on Blu ray, and now we are finally getting his last feature length film. We are getting Spider on Blu

Ray from Sony Classic Pictures or Sony Pictures Classics in December. On the December twelfth, we are getting a commentary on this from the man himself. We're getting a few futurettes. It's not a boutique, but Sony always puts out great stuff. I'm sure the scan will look good on this. Kroniberg, where are you at with Kroniberg? Happy with him? Yeah? I think he's top tier. Me and my uncle we're talking most of this year about

Kronoberg just in general. Since Crimes of the Future came out in May or June, and yeah, it's real hard to list the top five Kronberg because he probably has like a top ten that could easily be everyone's top five. Before we go on, what do you think is his most underrated film? Oh, jeez, shivers. I know that sounds stupid, but a lot of people dismissed because it's one of his earliest ones. I'm gonna throw out there, dead Ringers. I'm a big fan of Doppelganger and Twin films,

and Dead Ringers is fricking great. It's one that not a lot of people talk about because it's not one of the crazy Cronabergs like the other ones. But it's pretty damn good. Let's see cinema, dude. I miss Goblin when they came around here a few years ago, but I do get to see Joe Bob this Saturday show and shopping mall. Very nice. That's pretty awesome. I think that's in New York or somewhere around there in New Jersey,

New York area. That does sound right, Definitely sounds right. We got some more information on the Amazon Collector's Edition that is coming exclusively to Amazon for Terrifier two. This is getting a behind the scenes of Terrifier two, an extended Boo Crew interview director commentary with Damian Leoni, and then there is

a fan art gallery that will be on there. Notably, this is a bit different because the Terrifier two Blu ray that is coming in a steel book to Walmart has different features on it, so it seems like they're either trying to get people to go all in and double dip, or they're trying to oversell the Amazon release as an exclusive collector's edition. Either way, there is

there's multiple releases something to look out for depending on what you're getting. But then the third one that they haven't even technically announced yet, Terrifier two is supposedly getting a best By exclusive four K release. Why I am into that for sure, but it does suck if we're gonna get fragmented features as well. Yeah, I hate when they do that. It hasn't been like that in a while, but the first release I remember. Or you have to

pick which one you want or buy both. Yeah, certainly. The director on this one did confirm that the four K is coming from best Buy in a Reddit ama that he was doing and really went deep into the three different versions coming out he had to highlight the Steel book at Walmart, Amazon Collector's Edition, and the four K, so they're all coming probably on the same

day, December seventh, but best by getting those exclusive four k's. It's messed up for a lot of people too that either don't have a local best Buy or don't trust shopping online at best Buy, which I completely get because they don't care. They don't care. I went in the other week. When I text you because I thought best By had the Body's Bodies Bodies four K, You're like, yeah, it's there, it's exclusive. So I go in there. I'm looking around where their media is and how to ask

someone. They looked at me blankly when to go ask someone? And there it is. Well, why wasn't it out on a Tuesday, on release day when people are gonna want it most? Come on, I know. I Next up on our docket is a Discovery of which is the complete trilogy. I know literally nothing about this. Do you know this one at all? No? Cool? So the only reason I really posted this is because I've heard about it quite a few times. I've heard it's got a pretty

decent fan base. But yeah, I guess this is a pretty good looking release, got a whole trilogy on there you can pre order now. We also got our next second side announcement for one that I am now dying to see. I had never heard of this title, but we are getting Boiling Point, which is from twenty twenty one, and supposedly this is done in

a set of either long cuts or something like that about cooking. So the synopsis for this one says, on the busiest night of the year at one of the hottest restaurants in London, a charismatic and commanding head chef balances on a knife's edge as multiple personal and professional crises threatened to destroy everything he's worked

for. We're getting that on November twenty first, and this is again from Second Site, another loaded release, audio commentary times two new interviews with the producer, new interviews with another producer, new interview with the writer, a making of and then of course their classic Second Site. Really important title release now is that they get on almost all these limited edition rigid slipcase with seventy page softcover book and then a whole bunch of collectors art cards. Talk about

real quick flickering waves, talked about fast Company from David Kronelberg. That's the one nobody talks about because it's kind of a job for hire he did. But it's solid little movie. You get some Chronoberg aspects. There's like a sex scene where he's his character's poor and motor more oil down the girl and it's just weird. But wasn't there a rumor too that he was supposed to remake that or something I haven't heard. That'd be interesting? Huh interesting?

Spaghetti's here? What's going on? Rabbit? Rabbit is a good one too, And then speaking of Boiling Point by fur to Hobbit, Boiling Point is Gordon Ramsey on steroids, which means I absolutely have to watch it now. Absolutely. Next up, one of the more exciting announcements for the week eighty eight films in the US is putting out the In the Line of Duty one through four box set with Michelle Yo, Cynthia Kahn, Cynthia Rothrock, and Donnie Yen. This is oh. I thought we did have a solid release

date. I guess not, just coming soon. However, artwork looks incredible on this all from the same artist. Looks really great, really great. Are you into I know you got some eighty eight Films. Are you Are you collecting a lot of their martial arts stuff too? Oh yeah, I think I'm complete on their US side. Oh nice, very nice. Have a good night, Josephing. Sister Agatha is back. What's going on? Wow? By fur to Hobbit. Boiling Point was filmed five times. They

used the second filming for the theatrical release. What the hell? That's amazing? So is it one long take? I thought it was multiple long takes. That's crazy either way. In the Line of Duty one through four For those that don't know, this is like the the loosely connected series of films primarily with Michelle Yeoh and ones that people have wanted for quite a long time.

At least some of these, and I think most of them are getting a release from Eureka in the UK, and eighty eight Films is getting them in the US, but Eureka is not putting them out in a box set, so they have to scoop them up separately if you want to go down that route. Next up, we got another box set coming on December thirteenth from Cinema Guild, which is not a company. We talk about a whole lot on here. Three films by Hank Seng Sue with Nobody's daughter Haiwan are

soon he and OKI's movie. Those are from twenty thirteen, twenty thirteen, and twenty ten. This release looks great. Honk Sing Sue always good. Have you seen any of the Honksng Sue films at all? I have not. They're pretty stylish. They are ones that are a little slow for some people, but he is an incredible director. A lot of his stuff. If you watch it back to back, especially, it starts to feel a little seemy, but definitely recommended. Honksanng Sue really good stuff. I'm curious

about this one. I will I will wait and wait and look at some reviews. Cinema Guild, I don't know a whole lot about them, just because they don't put out as much as they used to. But somebody who seems to be putting out everything at the moment Keena Loeber putting out The Big Easy from nineteen eighty six, starring Dennis Quaid and Ellen Barkin. This is

just another one of their coming soon titles. So we don't know when this is getting a brand new HD master, and we'll probably see some features on this when it gets a solid release date. This will probably come out somewhere around May ish if I had to guess. But yeah, Dennis Quaid always loved Dennis Quaid. Let's see by Ferd Hobbit says, Honk sings Sue are well done movies never seen a bad one. I would agree with that completely. Next up, because this always happens, of course, Black Adam,

the DC film is getting a Best Buy exclusive for K release. And I believe, now that I've posted this and said more details TBA, I believe you can actually pre order this now. You went and saw Black Adam over this last week, right, I did. What'd you think of it? Well, me and my kids really liked it. Uh, it's kind of the same old, same old superhero stuff. But they did a kind of

a neat juxtaposition of like one person's hero might be another person's villain. And they told the line because Black Adam is a villain from the comics, especially for Superman and Shazam, and they told a line, Uh, I'm happy to see it. The fans like it, which is more important, and critics it's doing well. They kind of popped it up like it's a maybe a fresh beginning for the DC Cinematic universe, so eager to see what's next. I I don't know if I've said this on the channel yet. I'm

still very green with the DC universe. I think I've seen ooh maybe two of the films, and most of that is just by choice. They for some reason, they just don't shout out to me needing to see them. Oh wait, I guess if you count Robert Pattinson's Batman, I think that would be three. Yeah, but I'm curious on this one. The Rock he always grates on me because he always just plays the Rock. Is he a very different feeling person on this one or is it just same old,

same old? I mean yes and no. I mean I think he's well researched on Black Adam in the comics, and you get that sense of love that he had for the character he's been working on for fifteen years. Jesus, But I think the Rock of twenty twenty two is more app for the character than the Rock fifteen years ago. Yeah, I would agree with that even without seeing it. Yeah, that makes sense. I love that The

first comment about DC is Dead Sea Life. The DC films are generally not good, so then we'll move right along to a Keeno Lober four K release of Three Days of the Condor. This is one that I believe when they announced a film just a couple of weeks ago on four K that I said, watch, we're probably gonna be seeing Three Days of the Condor on four K here soon from them. And it's no surprise here it is. This

one is coming soon with no physical release date yet. This is getting a brand new Dolby vision Master thankfully new four K scan of the OCN And for those that don't know, it's the Robert Redford, Fade Dunaway and Max von Seedau film. I'm probably gonna get this. This is one that I pretty much gotta have. Kena Loorber four Ks, in my opinion, have generally been just kind of hitting it out of the park. They have been let's see. Sardis loves this one. Spaghetti says it's coming out in three days.

That would be a miracle. That's a funny joke though. Next up, I put out a couple videos on the Scored to Death documentary and it is not doing real well. I believe it ends this weekend and for anybody it has not checked, it out. It is a documentary by the guy here in the picture playing guitar that is interviewing horror composers and some of the stuff for this is incredible. He's written two books on the subject, you can see them in the picture here. But Scored to Death is something that

I think a lot of people would really really appreciate. But it seems like people are just not gravitating towards this fundraiser. If you haven't yet, please go watch the interview. Check out the link. I think it ends on November first, so you only got four or five days left. I would love to see more people back this project because it sounds incredible. Moving right along, Oscilloscope Labs gave us an update on a bunch of things. Do

you have anything from Oscilloscope yet? No? I don't. I've been meaning to. Maybe this winner I'll get their Circle of Trust not a lot of their stuff seems to jump out at you as far as genre wise, I would think I did see Short Bus. I know they recently put that out, but I've seen it theatrically back when it came out ten years ago or something nice. So some things that they're changing for Circle of Trust members you

will notice a change in the packaging. They're moving to a different manufacturer because they recently had some delays. It is going to be a six page standard gatefold instead of four, which means they're going to have more room for art and essays and some other possible extras, and it will actually have a plastic disc ray rather than the I don't even know what to call it pocket, a paper pocket that they've been using, which I'm gonna be honest, I

kind of hated, so I'm glad that they're getting away from that. The next releases that are coming out in December from them are The Velvet Queen and The Tale of King Crab. And then also because their packaging is changing and it's been so long that they've been using the same price of their Circle of

Trust was at one hundred dollars. It is now going up to one hundred and forty for Blu rays, and it'll be one hundred and twenty for DVDs, which in my opinion, is still a great price for ten ten brand new releases. That includes all of the shipping every single time, no matter how many times that they ship to you, and it is going to be a little bit of an increase, but it is still more than fifty percent off all of the discs. If you want to lock in the one hundred

dollars price before, you got to do it before November eighteenth. That is the biggest thing. If you want to spend one hundred dollars there and get a Blue Rays subscription for the next ten releases, do it before November eighteenth. Then another sale All of Films is hosting, not all of Films is hosting. All of Films can't host anything because they're basically dead. Deep Discount

is hosting an all the film's sale. When you go to this link here, you will look for the all of Film's logo and any title with that is buy one, get one free, not buy one get one half off. But when it's twenty two dollars, each of those is gonna be eleven bucks, and that's a pretty damn good deal. Any all of films on your want list at the moment, or anything that you picked up, did you check this out? No? I haven't checked the cell out. Only

all of films I have is their Monster Squad disc. It's a good movie. Yeah, it's just no extra ASKT sucks, But yeah. A lot of their films they didn't even get subtitles, which kind of irked me. I'm a big, big subtitle fan, and to not have anything on there, it starts to get really grating. Unfortunately, they do have some good, nice releases though, like Bucket of Blood, the old Dick Miller movie is really great. That's loaded, I believe too. It is. Yeah,

it's one of the very few trying to see. So let's oh. They also had a really good release of Bound. I don't think that is on sale though. This one has a whole bunch of features on it as well, now out of print. I believe their release of Dirty Work is the only one out there on blue I believe. And then another big one,

All of Signature put out the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers. All of these Olive Signature ones got really good releases, and then just the regular all of films they said, eh, screw it, they don't even need subtitles. They were like a I'd say, like a budget Blu ray but

a little bit higher quality. Yeah it's yeah. And the big thing is they went for the higher I won't say higher quality titles, but they went for the more mainstream titles and so in the process licensing probably cost them a little more, but you would think if you're gonna be able to sell them or due to that, maybe you can pony out for some special feature. I don't know, like you know, Masa Squad. They couldn't pour it

over the Lionsgate. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. We're gonna be talking about all the films a little while because it seems like all the films is no more and somebody that worked at all the films may have started a new company called Sandpiper Films and they are putting out eight different releases in December. We're gonna talk about those at the tail end of the show. Let's see what is next here. We got a whole bunch of stuff coming

from Disco Tech. I know a little bit about one or two of these, but very little overall. First, we're getting Common Writer Black. This is the eighth series and it's coming on Blu Ray. It's gonna be across five different discs in Japanese with English subs, and for those that like this sort of thing, this was a pretty huge announcement. Next up, we're getting another This is a feature based on the same novel as the hit anime.

I don't know anything about this one Japanese with English subs as well, coming in Winner of twenty twenty three. Then this is the one that I know about, so Suicide Club. Have you seen Suicide Club before? I believe like twenty some years ago or something. It's been a while, it's kind of gone from my memory, but this will probably be picked up.

So this is one that got announced recently as coming from Third Window Films, but the director kind of had some allegations come out about him this year Sea on Sono, and it seems like when I talked to Adam earlier this year at least that their release might be at least on hold because people were not willing to help put in features and stuff like that. But in the meantime we get something coming from Disco Tech. This is coming in Winner of twenty

twenty three as well. And this is a pretty pretty great movie. It's gonna be remastered in house at Disco Tech from the original elements, color correction by David Miranda, which is going to be approved by the director himself in Japanese with English subs, and there are gonna be other extras and features on it, So this will probably be the best way to get this film for the foreseeable future. Curious if Third Window Films will follow through on theirs.

We're also getting Go Go thirteen. Now, this has had a couple different films. I think this is a remake, and then there was a remake of the remake. This is from nineteen seventy three, Go ahead, Yeah, something like that. Yeah. I think there's been three titles of it. Now. This one is the Ken Takakura film and this is the first official English language home video release ever and the first time on Blu Ray ever. This is going to be in English with in Japanese with English subs,

with other extras and features. Again coming a winner of twenty twenty three. Yeah, Discotheque is killing it. I mean they could be talking about early twenty two. I guess like February. That's that's winter and it's winter twenty twenty three. Uh. Then we're getting Ultimate Muscle. The Fox Box Saturday Morning favorite show is coming to sd Blu Ray all seventy seven episodes in English with other extras and features. Did you ever watch Ultimate Muscle? Me?

Neither? Next up, Sonic X you've asked for it, You've been patient, and now Disco Tech delivers seventy eight episodes on sd blu ray in Japanese with English subs, and this is gonna get a huge restoration that sounds like newly revised subs and everything. Yeah, this seems like a great release. Disco Tech really does a lot for animation and I'm glad that they're still doing

stuff like this. Thankfully. That's it from Disco Tech. We got a little hint from an article this week that on November twenty fourth, A twenty four is releasing a special edition of The Green Night. This is saying that we'll also include a short film that came from the same director, David Lowry. The Oakthorn and the Old Rose of Love will loosely tie into the Green Knight story, and the twenty minute short film centers around two entities that exchange

their knowledge in unconventional ways. And the crazy thing in that article they bring up that that short was just filmed this year, which is super interesting. This will most likely be a four K release Green Knight. Did you go see this one or have you seen it? Missed it in theaters? And I just blind bought the Blu Ray. Yeah, it's pretty bad ass. I'm probably gonna be a Christmas movie. I watched this Christmas. I don't know why. It just feels like a Christmas movie. It does feel like

a Christmas movie, and it's it's one that I recommend. And if you have never checked out, not only if you've never checked out the film, but if you've never checked out the short. It's not that short, but the story that precedes this film, which a lot of people read in high school. It gives you this huge pre for this film that you just may not be able to get unless you've read it first, because a lot of it seems metaphorical when you're watching the film, but the story really lays it

out perfectly. And it's just a great, great adaptation, so good, really well made, and I can't wait to see what they do because the artwork for this could be incredible. Next up, Thrillers from the Vault is coming from Mill Creek, A LA a lot of those old We're gonna put as many DVDs as we can in this box set for you, and this is getting the Black Room, The Man they could, the Man they could

not hang. Before I Hang The Man with Nine Lives, The Devil Commands, The Boogeyman Will Get You, The Return of the Vampire, and five. All eight films. These are coming in one package on December thirteenth, and it looks to be trending right around forty to forty five dollars ish, which seems decent for eight films on Blu Ray. Are some extra features, like some commentaries on these two. Yeah, it's I believe they were able

to port over some things from the previous releases. And then they're also doing a sci fi version. This is sci Fi from the Vault with four films in it. We're getting Creature with the Adam Brain. It looks like I had a typo there, so that's good that I can see it on the cover. Creature with the Adam Brain. It Came from Beneath the Sea, twenty Million Miles to Earth, and The thirty foot Bride of Candy Rock.

This one, on the other hand, is trending to be about eighteen dollars on Amazon right now, which is pretty damn great for these four films. Yeah, pack like this. It came from Beneath the Sea was me my uncle's favorite growing up. Nice and that movie's been released a lot of times, but this is this is good to solid release. Yeah. Yeah, it's a really cool film. Stop motion animation is pretty awesome in it with

the gigantic octopus. Miamuncle, try to recreate it. We're big into stop motion animation and created it was real good at making those modes and stuff. It looks just like the movie. We didn't do much with it, but it's that movie holds a special place in my heart. That's awesome? Is it? I don't know if it's just you and I, but it feels like almost everybody that is in this hobby or adjacent to it at least try to do something in the like let's make a short film set a long time

ago. And I I'm just glad that it wasn't just me because one of the big ones I never got into stop motion, but we did a film that was like the Oh, what is the movie that came out from Draft House Films. I think it's got the I Declare War is what it was called. I believe a whole bunch of kids pretending to play like army in the middle of the forest basically, but they're using pretend weapons. But the

way it's filmed is make it looks like they have real weapons. Yeah, imagination, And it was great, so well done, really really fun movie. We did the same thing but instead of you see real weapons, we just had them be imaginary but you could just hear them. So we use all the real sound effects and it it ended up being pretty cool. I played like a mob boss in our little short that we got and there's even a scene with me in a bathtub in a short film and it's awkward.

Speaking of stop motion, me and my uncle made a short film when I was probably nine or ten called John the Dragon Killer and had a stop motion dragon that attacked me and my uncle, who was playing my dad on a fishing trip. And yeah, the dragon picked them up and was going like this, and I brought out a gun and shot lasers and disintegrated them and stuff. Yeah. The cool thing about was about a year later after we finished it, we met Ray Harry Housen and we gave it to him to

watch. Awesome. And then when I was in college, I fixed it because we are editing tape on tape, so there was like little beeps in between the edit. So I in college took it out and put it in black and white and put it on DVD and kind of gave it back to my uncle that way. Awesome. That's a cool gesture. That's really cool. Dead Sea Life says, isn't the Adam Brain in the Cold War set? Yes? It is the Cold War set that Aero put out, and

Spaghetti says, some cool Harry Housen in there. Yeah, definitely a good set. Next up, January twenty fourth, Mill Creek is giving us London from two thousand and six with Chris Evans and Jason Statham and Jessica Biel. I've never seen this one. Have you seen this one? I've never even heard of it. Early early film from Statham is London Films or something had I mean two thousand and six. That's that's pretty early for him. And I was following Jessica Biel by then, I mean Texas shame Wace. I've

already got everybody in love with her. So next up we're getting Warning Shot from Keno Lorber. This is from nineteen sixty eight with David Jansen. This gets a new audio commentary with Steve Mitchell and Howard Berger. This is one that I'm probably gonna be picking up looks good to me. This one's pretty cool. We're finally getting a decent four K steel book of the new Candyman film. This starts the pre order tomorrow nine am British time. This is

coming out December twenty sixth. You can get it on zavv and I don't think there's any new exclusive features or anything like that, but this looks like a pretty nice steel book. For all steel book collectors out there, I don't think you're much of a steel a collector though, right I have some. I've kind of got sick of them because they're a little bit thicker in my shelf. Space is dying, so I'm trying to save space. But

that's real cool. The arts real cool. Yeah. I loved what they did with the Uh they did that whole trailer that looks like construction paper for this film and it was so well done. And then I think over the the credits at the end, I think they showed a little bit of it, but god, yeah, it's so good. I was surprised they didn't do more with the art on that. And I'm glad that it's coming out

here because this looks really nice. Uh yeah, I kind of wish this was coming to the US, and who knows, it could just because it's going to Zavvy, it could come out at Best Buy or something, so who knows. Next up, Ronan Flicks is getting an interesting title for them. They're getting a Jetly double feature, a Fist of Legend and tai Chi Master. These are from nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety three. Tai Chi Master also features Michelle Yo. I love Ronan Flicks. They do some really

great work when they're putting stuff out. This is gonna be their like eighth or ninth release, I think, very minimal this year. Yeah, they've not done a whole lot, although they're they're ones that they were putting out Becky and then The Goodbye Man or whatever that the Nightmare Man. That one. I believe you started shipping for a lot of people. So if you were into it, it's a good time to check them out because they're in

stock and shipping now. These are really good movies. Dragon Dynasty had them, and they're actually using the Dragon Dynasty art on these, which is really interesting. Yeah, and there is no and I noticed this. I don't know if it's just a mock up or something. There's no ronan Flix logo here on the side of this, so I quit yeah to put out for a press release, and it looked like that some other site posted the news of this before ronan Flix did, so I wonder if that's why they posted

the artwork. Maybe Next up we got some Indicator announcements. Man, we are already on today. I feel like this is flying. By January sixteenth, we are getting all of these titles, I believe, and these are all UK only, no US titles coming from Indicator in January. This first

one is Freud and it sounds pretty great. The film charts Freud's journey from graduating medical school to his early investigations into a hysteria, hypnosis and the analysis of dreams, and onto his formulation of the radical concepts which would underpin his psychoanalytic theory, scandalize the medical world, and change the face of the twentieth century. I've never seen this, but it sounds great. It's goot Montgomery

cliff in it. Let's see video managed. Suicide Club is a movie I wanted for so long, saw back in the days on festival screening, but never got a hold of it after Well, now you'll have your chance. Next up from Indicator is the night of the following day. I believe this also had a keynote release, so some people may already have this one. This is from nineteen sixty nine and it's got Marlon Brando. Little known actor named Marlon Brando. Some people have heard of him. Next up, Death

of a Gunfighter. This is from sixty nine as well, and it says in Cottonwood Springs, Marshall Frank Patch kills a man in self defense. The town council, wishing to move away from frontier justice and into the modern world, decide that it's time for Patch to retire. Patch refuses, but with the dead man's son swearing revenge and the council refusing to take no for an answer, he senses his time might be up. And it sounds great.

Richard Widmark always good at what he does. This one also has Lena Horne. And you've gotten at least a handful of Indicator stuff this year, right, Yeah, yeah, mostly the US, because you know, chastize me all you want. I'm not region free, but so I'm a little disappointed about the really Well, first off, let's let's litigate this because We've talked about this so many times of the discord. Why are you not regent free

yet? Lazy? It's got to be more than that. Come on, it really is, and a lot of it it's like, well, someone in Region a's gonna pick it up. It's not always true though, No it isn't. I know. I mean, how nice is that Donald the dead set that you. Thankfully it's in four K so you can get the pretty good except for the bonus disc. Yeah. Yeah, it's a beautiful release and there's a lot, thankfully, But I will say it's twenty twenty two. You should really not be I know that release is pretty cool.

I could see pick that up from me and my dad or something nice. They might be giants. This is the last Indicator announcement for the month. This is coming on January sixteenth as well. This is from seventy two. Grief stricken widower Justin Playfair begins to believe he is Sherlock Holmes. Briefly institutionalized, he teams up with his doctor coincidentally named Watson because of course, and together they follow a string of clues across New York City as they search for

their elusive arch enemy Moriarty. This movie sounds incredible. I don't know how. I've never seen this. It's got George C. Scott. Have you ever happened to see this one? No, the'se When you posted them, I haven't seen them, but I was like, damn it, they're UKO Yeah, UK only. And I believe this is a Sony title, which means it'll be region locked because of course, we also got some other region B announcements today. We got Runman Run coming from Eureka on January twenty third.

This is the third Sergio Salima film and it is or sorry, third and final Western film. And for those that don't know, this has Thomas Million from The Big Gun Down and Django Kill If You Live Shoot, and he is reprising his role as the crafty knife thrower from Salima's earlier film The Big Gun Down. Pretty damn cool, which means it's basically a sequel. You got to check it out. I can't wait to see this one. The Big Gun Down is a lot of fun. Was this not on a

Blue Underground? Uh? Did they put this out? Maybe on DVD? Yeah, that's what I was thinking because it sounded familiar when he posted it. Let me check run mat. Whoops, that's a very different movie. I use swipe on my phone and when I did that, it said rub Man and I got very different results. No, yeah, is this appears to be the first Blu Ray release, so yeah, that's cool. And then, speaking of what we talked about just a little while ago, Michelle

Yo in Royal Warriors coming from Eureka as well. This is following on the success of Yes, Madam, Michelle Yo returned straight away to the girls with Guns genre with this fast paced eighties Hong Kong action classic. Again, you pretty much got to choose eighty eight Films or Eureka on some of these titles, but they're they're meant to be based on where you live, so the easiest thing is probably just to go with your region for the most part.

Let's see Terry says have known about the movie they might be Giants because the band, but never got around to watching it. I will say I love the band, they might be giants. I have followed them for such a long time. They are just a remarkable talent. Yeah, No Mercy. No Mercy is coming from Kena Lober on January seventeenth. This is the Richard Gear and Kim Basinger film. We get a new interview with actor Jerown Crab

on this and then a trailer. That's it. But this is one that I've heard great things about and just for never got around to for some reason, So I'm probably gonna be checking out this one for sure. Keno does great stuff, always always. We talked about Sandpiper a little while ago, and now it's time to really dive into them, So we're getting eight new titles from them on December thirteenth. The first is The Bridge at Remagen. I'm gonna assume that's how you say it. The second is Wild Bill with

Jeff Bridges and Ellen Barkin. Third is The Hospital with George C. Scott. The fourth is Comes a Horseman with James conn and Jane Fonda and Jason Robears. These are you can't order them yet, can't pre order them anywhere as far as I can tell. Then we got four more here, Robert Duval's Assassination Tango The Hawaiians with Charlton Heston Mole Flanders with Robin Wright, Morgan Freeman, and Stockard Channing. I've never heard of this film, but that

cast sounds crazy. Robin Wright Morgan Freeman and Stocker Channing in the same film, all right, and then Holiday Heart with ving Rams and maybe one of the worst covers I've seen in a couple of years. I don't know how photoshopped this is, or if it's just a really bad picture. Somebody did ving Rams wrong here, because that looks that looks pretty bad. Now I zoomed in and I can't zoom out. Okay, here we go either way.

Like I said, Sandpiper Pictures, it appears as if this is the next all of films, so I would I would imagine they're gonna be very similar. Most of these releases are coming out around fifteen sixteen dollars. We don't know if there's gonna be sales on these anywhere. They're not tied to any sort of retail chain that we know of. That this might be on sale on Amazon or something perhaps Target in the buy two, get one sale. But uh yeah, let me get away from this art so I don't

have to stare at that giant forehead anymore. Yeah, So some people have really really dove into this. It appears that the business was registered in a place that was close to where all of films had registered theirs, and then beyond that, the font used on the back of this these releases is the exact same font as all of films. So there's some evidence lining up to makes it appear as if it is all of films gone done, that's in

the past, and now they are Sandpiper. What they seem to be so far is picking up a lot of Twilight Time releases and giving them new life and in print. Unfortunately, it appears as if most of them are going to be bare bones discs. Again, some of them have a feature or two, but I'm willing to bet that we're going to be stuck with the same sort of all the film's lacking presentation. We'll say, yeah, yeah,

I heard this, son. I listened to the basemk video podcast that Justin Declue hosts, and they were mentioning Sam Piper and how they were kind of borne on the ashes or maybe reworked out of Olive. But I think they said the pricing is a little bit higher than they expected for bare bones. But that's also Canada versus our dollars, so we'll see that's true. That's true. Just a couple left, or maybe just this one, but we're ending on a pretty high note. Keino on January twenty fourth is releasing

Death Wish on four K UHD. This is a picture of the slipcover and then they're gonna have reversible art, and this is the reversible art on the inside. This is getting a multidisc set. It's got Disc one four K brand new twenty twenty two HDR Dolby Vision Master from a four K scan of the OCN, new audio commentary from Paul Talbot, because of course, the author of the Bronson's Loose books, and then Disc two on the Blu ray we are getting the brand new, updated master of the film with that audio

commentary plus some of the archival stuff. We got an interview with actor John Hirsfeld, the US and UK radio spots, TV spots trailers. That one's remastered as well, and then of course we are gonna get some subs on this. But either way, it is nice to see this in four K to go along with that vinegar syndrome four K of Death Wish two. Yeah, that's gonna be a big seller for Keno. So I have been a viscerated in the con Men's multiple times for not adoring Charles Bronson. What are

your feelings on Charles Bronson. I like him, uh, you know, yeah, he has a semi vibe in each film, But once you get into some of these films of his, you know he's done some unique stuff like White Buffalo is real unique. But yeah, he's kind of the that gruff too much Jack Daniels type of look on his face. I think that's what I've narrowed it down to. I think I don't like that generation's vision

of manly men the whole. Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne Uh, Chuck Norris, even somebody like Jean Claude Van Dam, which I know you like. I I just can't gravitate towards them. I don't. I will say about John Claude van Dam is he always played the blue collar guy. He did he always did stuff that helped out his niece's son. You know, he was a family man. I always caught him the hero of the middle class. So that's why John Claude Van dam was my hero.

Well that and I gotta give it to him a little bit, especially with the roles that he chose. There was a layer of camp to a lot of Jean Claude van dam stuff. It wasn't just played completely seriously, there was. He was in on some of the jokes for sure. There's no way that he couldn't have been. Yeah, I had a real good timing for humor that people sometimes don't see or don't kind of got lost in some of the lesser films. But right, funny guy stan Geeze's finally here and

he said I can only stomach time cop. All right, let's go to what we always share next, and that is what is coming out next week that you may have missed. And next week is a doozy of a four K week, So we are getting all kind of on four K. We're getting National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, A Christmas Story Elf, the Christmas Specials Collection, the Polar Express, all of those Christmas films coming to four K all

on November first. Also, we're getting The Running Man four K with Schwarzenegger, the updated Starship Troopers four K Steelbook, which I believe is a new disc compared to the old four K that had already come out, so some

people might be into that one. A little film called In the Mood for Love is coming from Criterion Pirana four K is coming from Screen Factory, Top Gun, the two pack and the second film that just came out earlier this year, that is coming out on four K, and actually I believe that one is getting a Monday release. It's coming out on Halloween. Because Tom Cruise controls so much he's allowed to get his own special release date for it.

I'm curious if there's something with that, like they had to have it on sale in October and that was the latest they could possibly delay it or something that's weird. Yeah, I don't know why. Then we're getting another four K update of The Evil Dead and Evil Dead two. There's nothing new on these discs. It is just one of the most exploited franchise in home

video history, so of course they're gonna put it out again. We are getting the Bing Crosby Joint Holiday Inn on four K with Fred Astaire at close range coming from MVD. Rewind daisies from Criterion One that I was looking forward to. The El Vampiro Negro coming from Flicker. Ally, I certainly need to look into picking that one up for sure for all those masochistic people. Sharknado the Complete Collection comes out next week. Dream Lover I believe this is

Keno putting that out. Another one from Cohen Media, Felix and Lola and Love Street. This is two films by Patricia Lecant. Then The Good Boss, also from Cohen Media. This is the Javier Bardem movie that I am dying to see because it sounds like he's gonna be great in that. Uh, let's see. I think this was the bulk of what i'd seen when

I checked earlier. And yeah, that's about it. Anything coming out next week that you're dying to get your hands on that you don't yet, maybe Piranha four K from the Screen Factory, but I'll say that I just got my vinegar syndrome email, so I'll be messing with those movies next week. Smart, smart, Yeah, I can't wait to see what a Pranah and four K is gonna look like, because that movie, it's not it's not

always looked terrible like the older Screen Factory when it looked good. But this is one that it could really shine in four K if they did it right. YEP. Probably for reviews, Brian says, watching Daily Halloween movie with friends, first time, watching Ernest Scared stupid, first time. I'm considering showing that to my kids on Halloween this year. Actually, all right, So the meat and potatoes of the show we are. We are here already, and like, this is faster than normal. Ryan, what is that

cartoon release? Did I miss one? Uh? Let me pull up what I just closed and let's see. I didn't even see one for it in there. Oh it is there. That is a Sandpiper release. Another one coming from them. It is a release of the old Twilight Time disc. I'm not sure if it's gonna have any of the same features, but it is getting another release. Uh, okay, so faster than I expected, because usually the announcements take us a good hour and a half or two hours

to get through. This week, yeah, it's been very slow, but next week looks to be kind of huge. We're getting Arrow announcements tomorrow, screen factory announcements Monday, and then of course the first is next week. So we're getting all kinds of OCN goodies getting announced next Tuesday. A whole bunch of stuff coming up. Silent man, Well, no reason to apologize. I am here to help. That's why we have the show. Come on, all right. The main meat and potatoes of the show tonight is

gonna be on extreme horror. So first question, how do you define extreme horror? Because this is looked at as differently by so many people. It is, and I think there's two sets of extreme horror. There's the just to shock you, and then there's the one that's made with artistic intentions. And I lean towards the artistic intentions because but I mean, you know,

let's let's say Faces of Death, that's easily an extreme horror. Yeah, it's just there to shock on. You know, there's there's nothing deep about it, is just what can gross you out. I do like, what are some other shocking ones that you would say, are are only there to shock a lot of the unearthed films stuff sadly, yeah, sad. I mean, there's nothing wrong with those movies. There's actually pretty decent ones that On Earth Films does have in their catalog. I could think of they're out

of print DVD of Aftermath. It's a Spanish short film about thirty five minutes, utterly shocking. I guess there's some maybe psychological stuff you could analyze from it, but it's just there to shock. But it's damn good. Oh right, I showed it on a date night once to a lady. Really really brave decision there, like shaking did iron Brownie points like no, I just wanted to watch it tonight. Thanks for watching. So we got a good, a good breaking off point before we get too deep into this camp,

says Terrifier. So my question to you is do you view Terrifier as an extreme horror film? No? I do not. I do terrify her as This is like, to me, the definition of a torture porn film. Uh yeah, it's it's just uh Friday thirteenth, Part four on Red Bull. You know, it's amped up gore with less plot somehow, I don't know. Uh Terrifier does the first Terrifier not the second one? Both of them do it for me? Uh, Spaghetti said the Mondo Docs.

That's actually a good, uh example in just the shock side of especially some of the later ones like Africa, Blood and Guts. It's yeah, they some of them get tough to watch. Uh so I would I would tend to agree with you. There are some that are made just to shock, there are some that are made with artistic intent, and obviously there are some that blur those lines as well. Because some of them, uh like a Serbian film, and some of them, like Necromantic, they are made too

shock and that was the point of the film's two shock. However, there was an intent in those feelings, like Necromantic was made to protest the rating system in the country that they were making the film, and without that they would not be able to have any sort of reputation or legacy that they have with this, because it would just be another lost movie because they would do nothing. So the shocking part is there for a reason. It's to make

people remember it. And yeah, you people got to a stand even even just shock art, and you can go into the art world. I'm thinking of this photograph from I want to say eighty six called the Piss Christ. It's this photograph of this crucifix and it's almost looks like it's in apotalyptic setting. But when you find out the artist, uh just dipped a crucifix into a jar of piss and took a picture of it, you know. But I mean there's an element of shock sometimes that can be just beautiful or you

know, there could be a reason why he's shocking. You Like, to shock someone isn't a bad thing, right at all. I guess it's what's the intense, Like anyone can show a beheading of a journalist in the Middle East to shock you, but why why would you want to see that? You know? But something you know, some of these movies they shock you

for a lot of reasons. And you've got to understand a lot of this stuff is not created in a vacuum where people we have life experiences and we put this into our art whither it's a painting, a film, music, there's a reason in uh, sometimes the stuff is you know, you just it's hard to watch, but you got to understand at least understand where the artists coming from. And I hope that's what me and you're going to do

tonight. Yeah, And I think that with some of these blurred lines, there is a lot of wiggle room for nuance and for people to debate the merits of some of these films. But keep in mind as we go through all of this that again, no, there's no reason to gatekeep anybody's opinions.

There's no reason to share that somebody is a bad person for watching some of these There's no reason to even think some of the scenes in a Serbian film which are some people would say the worst things ever filmed in a full feature length movie that they shouldn't be there necessarily because the person behind that film had an actual intent for it to be made that way. And it's it

is shocking. I'm not taking that away. It is extreme. I am rating it as such as well, but also it's got I don't know, it's got a completely different meaning to it when you really break it down and listen to the person behind it. Because these films, they're not just coming out of a studio. They're coming out of a person who could be employed at a studio, or most of the time it's an indie, but it is a voice telling a story just through away that you're not used to.

No no, And I think there's a complacency that we as a culture have gotten in the last twenty years. And it's not really a left wing versus a right wing thing. It just as a coachure we've become. We don't want to see that, we know it exists, don't talk about it,

and you see it in a lot of films nowadays. They just they're just I don't know, paint by numbers sometimes and that's fine for some movies, but you know, sometimes send a shock to your system, live a little understand something has some empathy to someone's pain and plight, because a lot of these movies won't talk about there's real pain in what they're trying to say to you. Anthony says, the baby an American sniper is a lot more shocking.

Isn't that like gied or was there like plastic baby or something? It is a completely rubber baby and you can see Bradley Cooper's arm shaking to make it move. It's just sad. So let's talk about a handful of these films why they were made, and for some of them we may not know the full on answer to it, but we can speculate and draw some meaning behind them, but also maybe share some of the ones that are shocking that

still might be worth it to watch. So absolutely, first of all, Faces of Death, I agree with you that is one of the best to bring up as just a shock factor film. However, I would say it's kind of important to watch just because of the cultural lamp like mark that it's the actual touch point that it was for a complete generation. Faces of Death

is something that everybody saw passed around at their high school. If you went to high school in the mid nineties, people had this like hush hush reputation. Did you see the snuff film going around? And that's where a lot of people first heard the term stuff film because they thought all of it was real when it wasn't necessarily and you know, just on an artistic side, it's actually really need to study the editing of that movie, how they bore

the fake scenes with the real scenes. Yep. Stan Geezy says, I had to be forced to watch a Serbian film, but once I did, I was really glad that I did. That's awesome. John Demarsco brings up shock cinema origins Solo Cannibal Holocaust and I spit on your grave. We'll get there, John, those are good touches, other shock ones that might be worth it for people to watch. What would you lean into there? Ah, Well, since we're not going to go with their granddaddy, let's go

with some maybe outside the box ancers. The Gestapo's Last Orgy. Out of all the nazisploitation films, this one is still a gut punched thirty five years later. It's a rough watch, but it's so beautiful, like in terms of cinematography and stuff. But man, this movie goes there and you feel super dirty about watching it, for sure. But friend of the Channel Sam Dick is a wonderful commentary on this disc a must listen, must listen.

So what what makes that one extreme for everybody that hasn't seen it. Well, there's some some very vile scenes. Oh man, you're gonna you're gonna talk about this, I am. There's a dinner scene that roughs into an origin with German soldiers and Jewish servants. I would say the most shocking part is there's a platter of a German girl that they were gonna like eat. She's like a yes, the stuff pig thing, and she's totally like burnt

and they have sex on top of her. It's this, Yeah, I'll throw one out now, and I will throw out one that's already got mentioned. I think the August Underground trilogy is a more modern version of the Faces of Death type of thing where it's shocking to be shocking. But I would say it's almost important to watch it at least once just because of the cultural

impact that it's had. Because it's another one that had that Whisper. You know, reputation passed around for a lot of people that had never seen it, and now it's getting this random blu ray release from Onearth's Films here pretty soon, and I think a lot more people are finally gonna be able to see it. In high death. Uh. Gary North just said the music in Gestapo's loas Orgy is amazing. It is. It's not a schlock film. It's made really really well. Out of all the Nazis plitation films.

I think it's like one of the better looking ones. It's a better acted one. It has like a better story. Well, I mean, you know, for what it is. Yeah, it also has a very shocking baby scene at the end of the movie as well. So we are getting some of the similar answers here. So let's roll into rape revenge films. So I Spit on Your Grave is obviously probably the most well known title. We also have things like Thriller that came out from Vinegar Syndrome earlier this year.

We've got, gosh, what are some of the other better rape revenge films? Well, first off, revenge is a good modern version of that. Why why do you watch those? I don't know? The thing is with I Spin Your Grave. It was kind of like one of those horror film like benchmarks, a like can you watch it? Can you get through it? But when you watch it and you find out the real story behind it, and I know there's some women that watch it too, it's cathartic

for them. Yeah, you know, it's rough. Irreversible, Yep, yep. Irreversible is a good one. I would say, I don't watch them for catharsis because that's never happened to me. But the empathy feeling that can come out of these is a really good thing to explore exactly. And as you're watching this, as long as you don't feel empathy for the rapist or you know, worried about why they're being killed, it is a really nice way for you to just verify, Hey, I'm at least a halfway

decent person. And I say that laughingly just because it's such a touchy subject, But the truth of the matter is, and the last decade has really proved how prevalent this has been in our society, is that the odds are most women that you've ever met in your life have been assaulted in some way, which is gross to think about first of all horrifying, horrifying, embarrassing

for society and men in general. But also it is so nice to see that some people can take a story like that and get genuine anger out in a way that makes it something that people can latch onto and realize. Women can stand up for themselves. Women can you know, take a stand in

society. And although it may not be I Spin on your Grave, it may be a lawsuit in twenty twenty two where people are finally getting their come up ince and it's it's important to make sure that those stories are told so that we it's important for society to continue to view them as horrifying rather than

accepting it as a normalcy. Yeah, so you gotta remember I Spend your Grave was also called Day of a Woman, right, I Spend your Grave as a You know, while she does see vengeance, bloody vengeance against her rapist, she's not the same after. It's like, I mean, she could have easily not killed the guys and still been that same person she was at the end of the movie. You know, it's a dark, neilistic

film. Dude McMahon and Stan Geezy both brought up Last House on the Left, dude says, I think Last House on the Left gets left out because Wes Craven became such a household name. Eventually, it's still a pretty appealing film. It is really well made. The original one is very much a shocking time piece. Then I will say that the remake is one of the better remakes in my opinion. I think that they really keep the depravity in

it and upgrade it to a more modern sensibility. And on top of that, they make the captors even less likable, which is nice and makes them really easy to hate thankfully. So yeah, both still really great films to watch. Anything else for rape Revenge that you want to throw out there, well, I see video man talking about how Last House and Thriller or should be put on the pedestal above. I spit, Uh maybe, but I

spit is just one of those movies. Despite its lurid title, it just holds so much weight on a singular act like that whole twenty five minute rape sequence. It's brutal. It's brute, oh maybe even more so than anything and Thriller, which you know is a different side of a rape with the sex work aspect that and I will I will stand up once again bravely and in our platform because you all agree with me. So I'm just kind of

preaching to the choir here. But this is another one of the reasons why things like physical media is so important, because one of the reasons I Spit on Your Grave is always talked about more so than some of these other ones is accessibility. It was much easier to see I Spit on your Grave, at least in the US for a very long time. The Last House on the Left was a little more difficult to see until it got a little more

West Craven appeal from it. And Thriller has notoriously been difficult to see, at least in a good version that was not uncensored or yeah, that was not censored in the US anyway, it's a quin Tartino to mention it to get a state side release of it. Yeah, So that sort of response is the only thing that gets these within the zeitgeist. And when I Spit on Your Grave has kind of always been in the zeitgeist. It's going to

have that reputation over the others just playing by accessibility standards. Miss forty five is another great one in that genre. It is and I just saw that film for the first time. Gosh, I think about two years ago, and that one it is great, I will say that, but there are some things in that film that just stuck with me. If you have not seen it, I know right now the blu rays out of print and very expensive. I don't remember the company's name that bought the draft House Films catalog.

I would imagine they would be putting that out eventually, and if not, this is a title that would be right for a really nice four K release. It is shot on film in the most beautiful way with a big name director with a nice reputation, and there's still a lot that they could do with special features on that. So I would love to see that get released. Question from dude, where does straw Dogs fall in this discussion? For you? A middle of the road. I like straw Dogs. I

think it's a very well made film. I think it's one that does get at least overlooked it especially in modern discussions through a lot of these I think straw Dogs hit a stride like fifteen years ago in film discussion and has just sort of died down since then for some reason. But yeah, it definitely deserves a mention. It's a really well made film. Uh. So we talked about rape Revenge. What is I'll shoot it to you, what is

the next sort of subgenre of extreme that you want to talk about. I want to go this is going to be kind of an asterix I think for extreme extreme put an asterisks. But it's also a movie that's relevant today as it was back then, and a movie that will never get made. That's the thing. A lot of these movies, you really can't remake them. No one's going to remake these, and some of the culture aspects of it will get to won't ever be remade. And one I want to highlight.

It's an outlier, Like I said, not what I would put in with the Serbian film or Campbell Holocaust, but is fight for your life with the with the nature of what it talks about with race relations, it's it goes

there. It's a tough, tough watch. Yeah, there's a lot of blacksplay to that was done in a way to highlight the big cultural divide, and it was done in a way to highlight the depravity which I could see it firmly lying in extreme cinema for a lot of people, not in a way like Martyrs or Inside or anything like that, but in a way that is just shocking for different reasons. And it was important and it's still important, and that's one of the reasons why I'm sad that we're likely never going

to see a Blu Ray release of that film. No, No, I think a lot of it's with elements, but still, yeah, it's a tough picture to put out because of the way race is handled. It's very you're following a very racist character in right, It's just brutal. It's just brutal in that regards. And unfortunately it's as timely today as it was when it came out thirty five forty years ago. Yeah, and Fight for Your Life is one of those that you could literally look away from the film and

just listen to it, and it's still extreme cinema. It is language, yes, oh yeah, that movie is is just it shocks cinema through and through. But it's again, it's done with an intent to tell a story and complete a mission that it super super succeeds at. But yet we're still fighting the same mission forty plus years later, and no sign of that slowing. In fact, it seems to be gaining some traction, which makes youselves no, all right. So other than that, the next one I'll throw

out is we got a I just mentioned a couple of them. We got this whole wave of extreme films that came out of France in the mid two thousands. What is French new wave extremity like for you? I think it is the crown jewel of it, even if High Tension is probably the most fun of the movies. But h yeah, So you have to understand what France was like as the country leading up to this early two thousands. They just didn't have a history of horror. They had a history of fantastic,

which is different than horror, even though there's some blurred lines. You know, obviously genre Lan is the key, like his stuff, They hid it even it was never super widely available, which is crazy. They had a change in the government that allow a little more freedom and a lot of societal stuff is bubbling up in the country. They were learning a lot about their horrific Algerian War. I believe from the late sixties a lot of it wasn't

known. A lot of this stuff is a violent reaction to learning about their past. All countries have a bloody past. America is no different than any other countries. Bloody past, yes it is, and that's what Barter's was formed, and it was the director was highly depressed, he was mad ass. Country knew he was exploring a lot of stuff within religion. Religion is a big part of a lot of people's lives, regardless if you believe in one or the other. Don't believe religion is just a blanket over society,

right and Martyrs was an explosion against all of that. And that's a lot of the French New Wave extreme came out of this period of protest cinema. And I know that we talked about that a little bit just a few minutes ago, But in all reality, the discussion with Sam Degan that I had is really important in regards to protest cinema and the French New Wave extreme era

that they had is the very definition of it. Because when you hold a group of people down for so long, the moment they get freedom, if you held so much power that they did not have the artistic freedom to do what they want, they're not going to react in a way that is kind. They're gonna to react in a way that is taking some of that forced back, and that is where all of this came from. Uh, we have high tension was the in my opinion, the big kicking off point.

Would you agree there? Yeah, I mean, I know trouble every Day was the real kickoff to it. But I think mainstream United States to focus on this because after our high tension came martyrs came inside, came frontiers them. Yeah, there's quite a few of them, and they are they are made in a way that you can tell, like, what is the best

way to say this. If you're watching Martyrs and you are easily shocked and the moment that something like that comes on screen and you cover your eyes or look away or get so disgusted that you can't pay attention, you're gonna lose the main message to the story because a lot of it is there to shock

you and wake you up a little bit. But if you are there for the ride and are able to comprehend what they're trying to show you throughout the entire film, it is this beautiful story that you can really grab onto. However, I would agree it's not like an easy rewatch or anything like that, but it's an important film, and they're therein lies. I think some of the differences between some of these because a lot of these, like again,

like August Underground, it's truly not an important film. There's nothing that you watch August Underground and it changes somebody's life in a way that it leads to a big mass protest across the country. But something like Martyrs can do that. It can set up an entire movement against a government. Yeah, and Martyrs is just one of those movies that it stays with you after you

watch it for days. Yeah, Martyrs is heavy, and a lot of people look at it in the same vein as something that is all torture porn, like Cabin Fever or even Saw or even Yeah, Hostile is probably the perfect one to compare it to, because just how like visceral it is. So in your opinion, what is the main difference between something like a Hostle or Hostle too and Martyrs, Because a lot of people will look at it and just say it's gory. It's the same thing. Why should I watch

it? No? No, aso, Yeah it's gory. A lot of people think it's extreme. I don't think Costo is no more extreme than any slash or film that came before. It focuses a little bit more on gross stuff like achille tendons and eyeball rips and stuff, but I mean that's just gore effects. Martyrs is infused every frame in that movie with a director trying to say something to make you feel something. Right, Yeah, and hostile. I'd still say it's a good watch, that I got nothing wrong with

it. Oh no, no entertaining film. So by all means it doesn't mean that it's a bad movie, just a completely different thing. Martyrs is again a difficult watch. I mean, there is so much blood in that movie. There is somebody with how do you even describe her, like almost all of her skin removed. It's like it's brutal, and it's it's brutal too because it takes religion in a different direction. A lot people don't like to see it talk about it well. And the idea that I brought at

the beginning of this Martyrs has a lot to do with family too. I mean, it's two sisters in a dire or they're treating each other as sisters basically in a dire situation and coming into a house and controlling what they can and Martyrs is just it's tough to go into and one of those things I don't want to say too too much if you've never seen it, and a

lot of people haven't, because it can be semi tough to watch. Although I guess according to the comments it's on Voodoo or two B with commercials free v never even heard of that one has Martyrs for free? Was i'mdv IMDb TV. Interesting, that's not shutter for a long time too. Uh? Yes, and that was gosh, I think that was September or August that they had the month where they had all of the French Way New Wave Extreme. That was a good month for that stuff. Man, it was so

nice stuff in HD. Uh So after French New Wave Extreme, what is uh? Do you think it's time? Is it time we break into? We got no? We got one more side step, we got cat three a te touche. So yeah, I grabbed the one run on earthed film's release. So we have a bullet syndrome and then which one are you looking for? The Uh? Well, it's it's also basically the same film, untold story in a bullet Syndrome a little bit different. Obviously they're different,

but Anthony Wong and both and very similar plot lines. Yeah, you know, the thing with Cat three is they go there, and they go there where no one has really gone before. In terms of how much you can stomach. They almost put it on their chest, like this is a pride that this is the line we can't cross. We're going one hundred yards over it. I mean, unless I just don't understand a lot about Hong Kong culture. I don't think a lot of it was political. I think a

lot of it was just for fun, shocking entertainment. But Bola syndrome and coming at the tail end of the pandemic that we've had, yes, I think the movie that makes you uncomfortable from frame one to the final bit, but I'll throw in there too. One that was fun to watch during the pandemic was the brand new film The Sadness, because the whole first part of this movie is making fun of how government is handling a virus. And that movie did not stand back from the line either. That movie, like,

I guess you don't call him zombies? That one of the infected. Let's see how to say this on YouTube without getting everybody pissed off. The most PG way I can say this, I guess is skull focks a woman. Huh. Yeah, it is so past the point for some of that. And the best thing about The Sadness is it starts like four minutes in they have this nice little couple, you know, waking up moment, and then it goes right into it when the guy sees that person across from the rooftop.

And it is so nice to see a movie in twenty twenty two not hold back on everything and still try a lot with good practical effects, but not go all in on CGI because they really could have with that, and they did really damn well. I thought, I'm actually kind of excited to see a lot of people in the comments and online like The Sadness. Yeah. So saying a while ago about how movies have become so kind of bland, Yeah, you know, I could see a lot of violent reaction to

that movie because the violence is sexual. The virus creates a kind of a sexual urgency in these infected people, and that's just stuff that you don't see in movies today, right, And there is a lot in that movie that I could see pissing people off, too, especially coming off the tail end. Of literally having millions of people die across the globe and we it's basically mocking that throughout the entire thing. So yeah, it's it's a really good

story and I think really well told. In twenty twenty two, Oh, in Bola Syndrome, Anthony Wand's run around coughing on things. I mean, how many Walmart videos do we see of someone not masking up coughing on people because they think it's a damn joke. And I mean, bulla syndrome, like I said, doesn't have any like deep roots into anything political or social

or philosophical. But in this day and age, that movie is like, oh my god, right, And that's that's the thing with some of the Cat three that I will throw out now is what makes me enjoy a lot of it is it's it's extreme, no doubt. However, they are not afraid to be silly in a lot of their films either. Oh, there's a lot of comedy in those. There's so much, so much just joking around. I mean, look at Ricky O. That's like one of the

funniest films to come out of the entire genre. And it's so damn over the top. I mean the mud prison scene is wild. Yeah, wild spaghetti. Uh mentioned Doctor Lamb and Men Behind the Sun. Men behind the Sun. I believe I've seen the fourth one, which is called Black Sun, the Nankeen Massacre. That movie is brutal, another terrible baby sequence in that movie. Joy Then Behind the Sun famously coming from Masacer video for the last four years, and we'll probably either never see it or see it in

four more years or something. I can't wait until we have that in hand, because I would say Doctor Lamb and Untold Story there's kind of an interesting foundation behind them since they are loosely based on true stories, So I think

that's kind of an interesting footnote to extreme horror. Yeah, there's quite a few of them that are at least either based on them or inspired by them, which is an interesting way to take it, because like the On Earth Films has a line of films called two Extreme for mainstream and they've gotten God.

I think they've put out five of them so far, and the first one was a film called Torment, and basically it's saying this is a film inspired by John Wayne Gacy and it's a guy that dresses up like a clown, but that's like the only similarity the whole film is this guy that dresses up like a clown just torturing the ever living fuck out of this other dude. And we're talking like shoving a jar in his ass and stuff like that.

It was not a fun watch and there's not really much to get out of it, which is again why that that is just shock cinema and not something artistic like some of the other stuff that we could actually talk about. So, yes, CAT three really great touching point. These these shock cinemas are some of them are good. They're at least well made, and a lot of them, you know, I didn't say that either. I probably

should the line between something like torture porn and the shock cinemas. To me, a lot of these are made just to like highlight really great effects. Yeah, and I something like Saw. People got really turned off by when Saw to and Saw those are really the two main ones. I think when they first came out, people were completely turned off, thinking this is a massive gorefest. Saw Too is just a really great primer on how to do

really good practical effects. I mean the needle scene alone where they throw the girl into the pit and the fact that they spent like five or six days on set taking out individual needles and putting little fiber optics into the front of these canisters. It shows how dedicated to something like this that they are. And unless you're gonna go that far, it's really hard to get that point across in a way that's not shocking, to be honest. Yeah, but

you know it's not like Saw Too. You know, I wouldn't view that as any of these type of extreme movies out we've been highlighting at all. No, but the people that are touchy to stuff like this, they certainly latched onto it like that at that Absolutely, it's all. We'll say Saw and Saw Too were possibly martyrs for the genre. That was a good pun. Uh Okay, So I think it's time to get into it some of the big one. Come on, you know, it's one we have we

cannot talk about without Campbell Holocaust. It's the granddaddy of them all. It's a movie that is still so shocking that when Joe Bob showed it, he likes to throw hints out of what they're show and he's like, no, we're showing this be prepared, right, and you're talking a movie four Yours still has that power that people actively say, no, I'm not watching that, And one of the reasons is because some of the stuff in it is

real. There are scenes of animal there are scenes of animal death that are real. I won't use the T word there and call it straight animal torture, but the animal deaths in this are done in a way that for some people it is shocking because they are not prepared for it unless they've heard the entire reputation. But the other shocking thing is, just like Blair Witch,

this is a movie that was viewed as one hundred percent reel. This was viewed for a while like literally the director had to go argue that these were actors and let me prove it to you and bring them to trial so that you can see them it is. It is that type of realism that can cause the most shocked because it can look like a snuff film. Yeah, it's one of the few, I would say stream whore that has a cinema

of verite filling to it. Maybe not so much in the first forty five minutes, but once they find the footage and start viewing it in their New York screening room, it and you see it in a documentary fashion. It's

it's uncanny and it will never be replicated again for a few reasons. One is I think we're too privy to what stage what's not, so I don't think you can really blur that line in cinema like Kambal holocausted to the ever changing climate conditions in the green infernal aspects of you know, the force of South America. This movie will never never be seen again like that. It's just changed. It's almost a product of its time, of a bygone world.

And then some of the effects, I think they're still some of the better effects. I mean, it makes anything in Terrified to look cartoony and yeah, that's a woman impaled on the pole. I still don't know how they do that. I've read about it, I've seen it, I've listened to died Auto talk about it, and I look at pictures and I just

don't understand how they did that. There is a gosh, I will never remember the company, but like five or six years ago, there was a company that put out a very detailed statue that was about eight inches tall of that scene and I've been dying to get it. But the only time that it ever pops up online for sale, it's like five hundred dollars and there's just no way that I could ever pay something like that for this little statue.

But it is such a mind blowing scene when you think about it, that this was just an actor playing a part and not some impaled person and it really looks like that. It is so hard to imagine how Diodato was able to do that. And then we have filmmakers in twenty twenty two using CGI to do the most tame, absolute bullshit takes that they don't need it for. And I think that's why Canawa Holocaust is the film is. Even within the short lived Italian cannibal film cycle, a lot of them were just

they were just filmed. They were shocking, they were gross. Campbell Frocks comes close to Holocaust, but Holocaust just holds a power to this day. It's reminiscent a lot of wartime footage we've seen. Dead Sea Life says, I think a Hallmark put that statue out and then said it's an ornament.

Oh man, all right, So yes, cannibal films shocking themselves, most of which is probably Cannibal Holocaust. The other thing that I think we would be remissed to not mention here is for those that don't want to get into the shocking side of it. I think it's a really great thing that a company like Grindhouse Releasing and now air forty four to forty four on their upcoming releases are giving a mention to some people that may not want to see this

and allowing a no animal cruelty free version. I don't know what they're calling it. I'll just say cruelty free version, so that you just place a button on the menu, you click the button, and it plays the whole movie just with that little bit of torture removed, which is great. More people can see the film. It makes it a little less shock, takes

away some of the intent of the original film. But I am glad it's there, and I'll throw out I'm sure that you probably have no reason to ever visit the website, but I've name dropped it here a couple times before, and I believe my wife is watching tonight. I will say that something that has helped us quite a bit is the website. Does the doogdie dot com. That sounds like a joke, but the actual website does the doog

dye dot com. You take that into your phone or whatever. You type in the name of the film, you bring it up, and there is a list of all kinds of things that could be in a film that could trigger somebody. There's mentions for kidnapping, for rape, for incest, for animal death, for animal cruelty, for ghosts, for racism, for there's literally like seventy things on this list, and if there is, it will be checked with a yes and tell you what is in the film so you

can make the informed decision to watch it or not. And there's a couple times like we watched a Franco movie and gosh, which one was it? It was one of the ones Severn put out. I can't remember which one right now. It might have been Bloody Moon. And there's a part where a snake gets killed and I went, dam, that looked pretty real,

and my wife goes, that wasn't real. Was it? Tell me it wasn't real, looked it up. It turns out it was real, and it's because it was allowed back then to do that in that part of the world. And yeah, the website is great for stuff like this. Oh comment, now is it time Okay, it's time let's talk about I think one of the granddaddy's of extreme modern horror. So I watched a Serbian film for just the second time last week. Literally, it was only the second

time I'd ever seen it. My wife watched it with me, and I warned her beforehand, like, there's a couple scenes that are probably gonna be pretty troubling, and we watched this entire thing. She stayed awake from the entire movie. Props to my wife, who that's not always an easy feet and through this I was prepared for her to be like, oh God,

this is rough, but I'm gonna be honest. We finished it, and we both looked at each other and came to the same realization at the same moment that I think this was a lot less extreme than I remember it being. I don't know what it is, but this movie is good. Definitely a great movie. But I like the reputation is so much stronger than it deserves to be for this movie. But you basically worship at the feet,

So give me your take. I slightly disagree on that because I think a lot of people come in and they put this shield on, like this is extreme i'll make it through type of thing, not saying you and your wife did that, but I get that sense. You see that backlash one movies or everyone's talking, oh, you gotta go see this movie. You go see it and it wasn't that good. I think that's a little bit of

that, just a little bit of it. And I think because it's so well made, the shockiness almost has it just as a it's a watchable movie. It's not shot on video. It doesn't have terrible CG effects, you know, to shots, not terrible act No, it's really good. I think it's a masterpiece. But I mean that's just my personal opinion. But the intent of it, I think is more horrific sometimes when you place the intent on top of the images. So tell us about it, Well,

it's well, what was the intent at least behind it? Well, it's in its name, you know, it's not called anything else but a Serbian film. It's a statement on the country of Serbia and what it went through, what it kind of still going through. The director, well, you understand a little bit. Before Serbian film was made twenty ten, about nineteen ninety nine, they had a president that lied, got caught cheating out of funds. It was, you know, it's kind of similar to our situation

a love story a couple of years. Uh so. And the media also was in on it. They lied to Serbian people. The economy tanked, it became a gig economy. It's a term for people picking up odd jobs just to survive. That's essentially what he milo does in this movie, you know, for their financial stability. He has to go back to something he wants, didn't want to go into, but the money was too good. And when you're a family man in dire straits, I mean that's right there.

Just relatable. Yeah. So, first of all, do you view this as a protest film a little bit? Yeah? Yeah I do. Actually, yeah I would too. Uh what do you think is the reason for the I'll say the two shocking film scenes that are in this that everybody always refers back to. Yeah, well, one thing is you gotta understand the director's intent, what he meant for it, and either you believe in it, we think it's bs. You gotta have at least some empathetic feelings

towards Okay, that's what he wanted. Okay. The most notorious is the Newborn sequence and well, first, do you want to give any details about what people see in that newborn sequence? Will you get flagged on YouTube? You use elementary level words? Well, basically, a woman gives birth and a man immediately takes the baby and pro creates with it. Yes, PG friendly, it's been seen as you're just screwed from birth, very maybe on the nose metaphor. It's a rough sequence, but a lot of people don't

realize that you only hear it, you don't really see it. Ish, Yeah, what about what about the second scene? You want to describe that one? You're talking about the end sequence? Yeah, it's just the dissolvement of a family dynamic. Well, when a government strangle holds its people for

so long, you get music art that are violently middle fingering it. And that's essentially what this film is. It's probably the most strongest statement for a debut anyone's ever had, and unfortunately, this poor director will probably never get much work after this, and it's because it's such a political statement against it.

There was a I believe a war around that time too, early two thousands that was really violent in because if you remember in the movie, they talked talk about one of the characters that they you know killed you know, oh, you know your husband was a war hero. So it I mean the reference sing all the stuff that was happening in Serbia from i'd say ninety five to two thousand and five. Yeah, for sure. And that whole climax scene that was a bad wording. The wow the third act when everything

I was gonna say comes to a head. This doesn't get any better when everything is revealed in that final scene. It is so if you were watching like with intent in this film, it is sort of a gut punch for everybody involved. And to see all of that happen, it sucks. It just sucks because you're actually sympathetic to this main character seeing how he's been taken advantage of, and then to have it end the way that it does in

the house and find out that they're just still filming everything. It is just unabashedly grotesque to watch it being carried out this way, and it it You really can't speak on it without talking about the political climate because everybody is so much taking advantage of everybody in that situation. It is, and it's a statement on the government's economy as well. You know, the director Volkmir. He obviously is a man of privilege and he's exploiting people for his own financial

gain. He's a capitalist. When the government was switching, when I can't even say half of these Serbian names, I do apologize that when the president got arrested, it created a topsy turviinus. The economy tanked. Then it got a little bit better, but it just all it did was create these hier end people, to create a capitalist vacuum for them to exploit the working

class. So the main question that people are going to ask then is why does that mean let's film a movie where somebody fucks a baby and I mean the well, I mean sometimes you can't say these things because it goes well, I mean in a kind of a normal sense in one year out the other. How many times in the last couple of years people are like, I'm done with politics, I'm tired of this. Right, I talk about it, but sometimes you've got to create a shocking upper cut to your viewer,

Hey pay attention. Well, and that answers the question right there is how many of us right now could name who the Serbian president was in nineteen ninety nine, but we can name a Serbian film from twenty ten, and what it's about the reason is this is shocking and it has a reputation that

is more lasting than the Serbian government was in nineteen ninety nine. And because of that, the message for this film, it probably didn't get across to all of the viewers, but it got out to so many more ears that more people could make an objective decision about it and realize, dude, something's got to be fucked up there for something to end up like this, that they are allowed to make a film like this. So you just have this

education that is going out to hopefully millions, but probably not millions. Well, Serbian film owes a lot, I think of its political nature to Pasolini's solo. Yeah, another real tough watch another I mean think about Passolini was a very political figure in Italy and I believe, controversially it might have been assassinated before this movie was even released in theaters. Silent manwal says, I can't believe I'm sort of being convinced to watch a Serbian film. Uh,

I hope you do. And I don't mean that ironically. I think that this is something that people should pay attention to because, like I've shared in some of my interviews before, it is important to watch some of these films that bring you out of your comfort zone to understand what other people are dealing with and if you are from any sort of privilege, which you can make an argument that if you're in the US, that alone is a state of

privilege to be in compared to a lot of these countries, you are not able to branch out fully without being able to experience some of these other things. That is not saying that watching a Serbian film is going to be a realistic experience of somebody else's life. But metaphors exist for a reason, and as long as you are able to separate those two and understand and learn from it, you actually absolutely should see a serbian film as well as things like

Necromantic and as well as things like even Faces of Death. It's not something that was a protest film in any way, but it's a cultural touch point and you can at least understand what the older generation was watching when they were about your age, or you know, like Salo, there's a whole scene dedicated to people eating shit, and yet it's an educational film if you watch it for the right reasons. I love discussions like this. I mean the

power of all powerful films. I mean, Sallows on the Criterion collection for a good reason. Yeah, thank you. Stan Stan says a Serbian film pushes the limits, and that alone is why it's important. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, no two countries are the same, but the working class all go through the same right crushing capitalism foot of a government terrible presidents. And this ain't being political. This say't a left or a

right wing thing. This is just the status quo unfor Yeah, and that's any any society that is capitalistic in nature is going to end up corrupted like that is the definition of capitalism. It's to make more money than everyone else, basically to mean you win. There there's no other endgame for it,

which is sad. And when you think about it, the fact that we have people arguing against helping other people around us in the namesake of capitalism, it should it was the depravity that exists in our country and in what you could be telling in our stories, which is objectively as horrifying as some of these extreme movies that we're talking about. There's no time in modern history that the living wage from a billionaire to people like me and you. Ryan has

never been greater, never been greater, and it's only getting worse. And maybe we'll have an American film that will shake us out of something, Anthony says repeatedly presses independent thought alarm. Oh man, all right, so now we've been talking about a lot of these other extreme films that we've not mentioned. Anybody else in the comments want to just shotgun some names out there or even some scenes that might touch on extreme cinema, but the whole film doesn't.

That's always fun to talk about any that. While we were talking, you realize that we missed. I got one Anti Christ ah, the famous Dick movie. Yeah, Anti christ is an interesting one. It's uh. First of all, I love Willem Dafoe, like the dude is such a national treasure. He is such an incredible actor. Oh, how did I not bring up anything? John Waters? I completely forgot Pink Flamingo, says Reuben Villa. Another or Villa could be the one another shit eating film.

Yes, Pink Flamingo's. I watched that just a couple of months ago after the Criterion disc came out, and I remember that one being better. I just did not like that one as much this time. But I will say you could almost call most of John Waters' films extreme cinema one way or another. They are, especially his seventies and early eighties films. He's the key of the gutter. He almost took Delight as a look at this, isn't

it horrific? But had some social commentary to Yeah. Yeah, Mitchell brings up films that have actual sex in them, like Short Bus or The Bunny Game is another one that's got a big reputation from that. Some of these they again they've got that whole rape revenge like empathy phil built into them. But then some of them are just made because why why not? I mean a lot of these films simulated. Why why not do it for real? Yeah? I left off a lot of films that could have real sex,

like hardcore from Mascar video. It's a horror movie. Porno it's so wild, and yes, I mean, I mean if your sheep is about porn, well then don't watch it. But then you mix you know, seventies gore effects with the hardcore, it's it goes there. It's it's interesting. Stanzas I think Multiple Maniacs is superior to pink Flamingos, and nowadays I would

agree completely speak of some of these other ones. I believe one of the gasperne films has an unsimulated blowjob or something like that, and I don't remember, but I mean that's another one that we could literally just name any of his films. Gaspernoe pretty much lives in extreme cinema in one lane or another.

Yeah, even the short films of Andy Warhol Ah Cuche. I mean, granted a lot of people here or would probably not know about him or seen him, but he actually had one called a blowjob and focused on the man's face as he is getting oral pleasure. Yeah. John Demarsco brings up Hannaka. He's one that you absolutely could especially his earliest stuff John Stumpes not exactly extreme horror, but other very disturbing stuff. Visitor Q Sweet movie of

course, yes, gasperno stuff. That one you said was Love three D. That's what I thought. Yeah, I believe Love had an unsimulated blowjob in it. What is the the other one? I was about to say, oh uh, we were talking about French extreme and he brought up Sweet Movie, which reminded me one of the big ones from the nineties that was

big for France as well was Man Bites Dog. A lot of people saw that as super extreme, and that's one I am dying to get that on a Blu ray or if I can't imagine how good a modern Criterion four K would look at Man Bytees Dog. Yeah, that movie is something. Uh yeah that it is basically a simulated documentary of a serial killer and some of the just the callousness in that movie is hard to watch. That alone makes it extreme to me. Stan says, Tetsuo Tetsuo is great. You've seen

Tetsuo. I'm sure right, I love it. I don't we're considered it that extreme. I think the connect energy of the movie is something that we don't see in a lot of movies. But it's overwhelming in the senses, yes, yes, but I wouldn't say it's anything near Camp a Holocaust or say a lot. No, it's it's really good body horror. Uh let's see. I've been trying to think of some other ones, but man, I think I think Takashumiki has a few audition. I actually think is short

film imprints from the masses of horror. I mean that movie was so shocking Showtime refused to show it, right, And I think it's I think it's a rough watch. A lot of abortion scenes, torture scenes, compelment alcapuncture in places you shouldn't get needles. Yeah, Takashu Mike is uh, he's like one of the like he's like the Jeff Franco of extreme cinema in a sense because he's done so many and they all not all of them, but so many of them skew towards that side. Each of the killer definitely good

one, the the body suspending scene and all that. Yeah, that's a. That's a It's an interesting movie, that's for sure. Uh. Visitor Q that's another one I have not seen in quite some time. And I'm still not sure if I've seen sweet movie. I know that I may have, But that's another one we don't have on Blu Ray yet either. A lot of these are still waiting on a good Blu Ray upgrade, and that's

disappointing. You have the ability to resurrect these movies, you know, But I guess it comes down to dollars and cents, dollars, cents and elements for a lot of them. Sadly. Ooh, good question from Terry. Would seventies era Hodrowski have some elements of extreme cinema in your opinion? Certainly some elements, for sure. I don't know that i'd call any of the

films fully extreme, but certainly certainly some elements. I mean, Santosandre alone has probably three or four scenes that would be close at least, and he's got some fantastical stuff in some of his other films that is just it's an acid trip essentially. I think another big maybe someone might say, is the video Nasty Era of England. Yeah, but you know, I think of those maybe ninety eight percent of them were just hey, they're just misinterpreted Gore

films. I can't reach my copy. But Stan Geezee keeps me mentioning Thundercrack. He brought it up the other day as well. Yeah, that's one I could see being considered. And I just finally read John Demarsco's original comment Vincent Gallows brown Bunny has an unsaturated beach, and then he meant, uni, oh man, silent mandible. This this is a good point too.

Some would say, come and see apocalyptic, apocalyptic, depressing films can be seen as some of that, Like Threads certainly could be seen as an example of that. Threads come and see. Yeah, there's a few I'd lump in there with those. Johnson. I've seen almost all the things mentioned tonight, and Sweet Movie still might be the most fucked up I've sat through. If you think Saalo is bad with shit, prepare yourself a sweet movie. I'd say the same thing about Cuso. I watched that for the first time

this year. Man, that is an odd movie. Man, have you seen Cuso yet? No? I haven't. It's on shutter and it's the one Flying Lotus. The musician directed it, and it's one of those that is odd just to be odd. It feels like I don't think there's many underlying political undertones or anything, because it's sort of an anthology film, which

is really weird for something like this. But it's God, there's some odd scenes and the movie starts and within I think it's within about three minutes, you're looking at just a massive amount of sperm, which is crazy to see in a movie like that. Stances how about Caligula, Maybe at least some elements. If Sleez is an element, then yeah, it would certainly be

up there. Yeah, a lot lat of films. You know, they inserted a lot of hardcore scenes, especially with Caligula, and when they did it at night without telling the actors they were doing it with look likes. Yeah, and you know the way sex is treated in this country. I guess anything with sex is extreme. That is very true. Terry says Kuso was a lot of fun. May say more about me than the movie. I mean, I'm so glad I watched it, but I certainly probably will

not watch it again. Sadly. I love that this comment just comes out of nowhere. Mitchell says, fisting bestiality, any anything else about extreme cinema that you want to mention tonight, I don't know what's left to say. I think you shot or wat on it. I do want to say one more thing, and that is a word that we've not mentioned tonight, and that is judgment. I don't I don't think there's any reason to judge people that watch stuff like that, because people get different things out of every movie.

And just like I always say that every movie has been somebody's favorite movie. That includes stuff like a serbian film and martyrs, and some of these are meaningful and important to people, and even though they may not be to you and you may see it as trash, they literally may see it as something that you know, maybe it it touches on something that affects them more

personally because they've gone through a different experience than you have. Absolutely, the judgment level on within the horror community for some of these certain films like Serbian Film and Cama Holocaust needs to stop. Like, you know, my dad used to joke with me because I had books on serial killers. I had these movies, Oh the Guy's coming for you. It's not like that. I couldn't be I know a lot of these people don't know who I am, and it doesn't really matter. But I could be the most. I

could not be the most. I don't know how to say this on almost Upstate any person that I try to be. I hold doors open for old ladies. I raise two kids on my own, you know, I help out my parents. I work hard. I mean, that's the thing a lot of people don't know. Is all this talk and all this movies we show we watch. I mean I still work like forty six hours a week. Yeah, I vote. I try to be a good person. I you know, I so what if I wear a Serbian film shirt? Does

that make me, you know, a less of a person? Dead Sea Life says, as you guys talk about a Serbian film, I'm editing the Serbian audio for SpongeBob SquarePants for Nickelodeon Serbia. Amazing. And this is kind of what a lot of these come down to, is what Stan just said. Fuck the Puritans, and in all reality, fuck them all, because I one thing I will wholeheartedly stand up against in any subject is as long

as it's legal, it should not be censored. As long as it's not being broadcast for children or anything like that, it should not be censored. Anything that is still being released cut is an embarrassment for humanity. We shouldn't be making judgment calls for that. Sure, warn people what's in a film, have that information readily available. But fuck the Puritans. See, I

got a art degree and so art history was prominent component of that. So I'm used to discussed and discussing, you know, this type of stuff. So you know, so what if I seen Caball Holocaust and serving film ten or more times? I mean, does that make me any less of a human? And the sad thing is that many people would say yes, yeah, still be it. Hey, feel free to follow me on Twitter because I'm sure someone will say something well. On that note, all of John's

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have. Somebody mentioned one in the comments earlier. Just the other day we were talking about some film and it might have been dash Camp that brought it up again. Yeah, and I said, I'm curious with everybody, what do you think about having a film where we have a wholly unlikable lead. Do you think society is ready for that? Because Dashcam, the response to that movie would say lots of people think, no, they have to watch

a film where they can like the person that they're being empathetic to. But those type of discussions go a long way to advancing your love for film, to advancing your appreciation for humanity, and this discord is a really great place for it. Anthony wants to know, how are those Beyond Meat steak tips that you had? Those are pretty good. I gotta think of some new recipes for them, but they were pretty good. I just saw I think

it was Walmart the other day they're selling Beyond Meat beef jerky. Now, yeah, it's real good. My kids love the hot spices. Sounds amazing. They really are. It'll get much further and cheaper then I'm gonna have to go vegan. Anyways. Yeah, that's the problem is, you know, I kind of cook mostly for myself, so it's a little bit easier than a family every night. But dash Cam, you know, that's pretty interesting because at least in terms of extreme extreme cinema, it's not, but

the character is extreme, especially with their political beliefs. It will I'd say majority of people watch the movie jar you into hate her. I mean it's very easy to but it's almost comical and fun to see her go through all this shit in this movie and so kind of come out on the other end. It's real funny. I actually really like dash Cam and I'm harp sent eighty of that character in Roly. So all right, I think that's all I got tonight. We're not getting any more comment about other extreme films,

So thank you everybody for staying around for conversation like this. I know it's not always super easy to discuss, but I think that it's nice to be able to have literally like education level discussions about some of these because without it, the idea of protest cinema would not get out to the masses. The idea of standing up for what everybody believes in would not get outo the masses.

If you've never seen a Serbian film or Martyrs or High Tension or August Underground, I recommend them, you know, go out there and spread stretch your limit at least a little bit. John, thanks for hanging out tonight, Thanks for being willing to be the voice and face of extreme cinema, and hopefully you come up come back on again soon. Absolutely Thanks everybody, have a good night, and we'll see you next Thursday.