Welcome to The Derek louder Milk Show. This is episode four hundred and three with Peter Benson. Peter Benson is the creator of Energies of Service, which are high tech, spiritual and metaphysical tools, and in this episode, we're
going to learn about how he makes them using something called tensor ring. So we'll learn about that technology, it's actually an ancient technology that was rediscovered, and about how they work and the precision that goes into creating these they're relatively simple instruments devices, but it's fascinating to hear his process for how he discovered
these tools and started creating them. And I have to tell you that he sent me one of these pendants before the interview, and I got to use it a little bit before the interview, but I'm recording this intro several weeks after the interview, and that pendant that he sent me, which is the Archangel Michael pendant, actually is probably my favorite thing to wear at this point.
It feels really amazing to wear it. So I'm actually a fan of the technology, and I wanted to have him on the show because he has such a similar path to me, you know, coming from a technical scientific background, discovering spiritual and metaphysical aspects, and then going about creating practical, useful tools a way that we can bring this into our everyday lives in a way that is uplifting and gives us more power and energy and abilities to help
and serve in this lifetime. So, without further ado, here is Peter Benson. Peter Benson, Welcome to this show. Oh thanks for having me, Derek. It's an honor, thank you, thank you, thank you for sending along this beautiful pendant, the spiritual tool. For those of you just listening, it's it's a necklace that I'm wearing right now and there's two copper tensor rings and a bunch of crystals inside of it. So let me just start by asking what is a tensor ring. A tensor ring is actually
a copper wire that's braised back onto itself. But it is actually, in its own native form, a single wire positive side on one and negative on any other. Slim spurlingh basically took that one long wire, folded it over and created and then twisted it and cut it to the length and then braised it back onto itself. This actually created the actual tensor ring that the name came from because Slim Spurlling coined that name to it back in the early to
mid nineties. Okay, so it's a single piece of copper twisted and made into a circle. I'm guessing from the word tensor that there has to be some sort of tension to it, or where does the name come from. What they actually looked at was it actually creates a toroidal energy field, and Slim Sprillian called it a tensor field or tensor energy. He also coined it as this. You could name it chi prana, you know, life force, you could call it, he said, you'd call it pretty much anything
you wanted to. He called it tensor and that's that's the way it's been since the inception of it, because he brought us back into our knowledge frame because I feel like this is so old as far as it's it's understanding. It's fairly simple, you know, just cover. So why does it when you make it from a wire into a ring, why does it create these
properties? Well, for the one piece it's the actual John Archiball Wheeler nineteen fifty seven discovered that when you take a solid wire and then you know solder braize, well, however you want to join it into a into a ring, it created an energy field. So this was the energy field that was rediscovered. Sorry about that, Uh, we discovered back in nineteen fifty seven
that he figured was something of interest that they couldn't do anything with. So this was He was a nuclear physicist on the Manhattan Project, so he was more of a real heavy hitter, and that are aspect he actually was one. He was the one that coined the term black hole when it came to
astrophysics, so he was quite prominent in the nuclear and energy fields. But what was fun was this was shelved up until some spurling and some spurlling basically found this, and then what happened was you turned that single ring into a double ring, using the same wire but folding it over, twisting it, cutting it to the specific links. The energy field comes from the actual length.
So if you think about wave length, when you're turning in like a radio dial, you're looking, you're you're turning the frequencies, and you're going from like eighty eight megaherts to one hundred and seven megaherts, So somewhere in that range you're going to get a different frequency along the way. So the tensor rings that we make the pendent that you're wearing right now, which is arch Angel Michael, that one is the Lost Cubit. That one actually works
on the emotional heart, higher heart, etheric body. So that one was one that was actually discovered through slim Spurling as well. So these tools, there are many different frequencies that are actually available different We've been assigning them to more chakras, so root chakra, sacral solar plexus, heart throat, dirt, eye, crown chakra, star chakra. So all the different tensor links create different vibrations and they work in different ways. Okay, cool, and
are you measuring the Hurtz vibration somehow? The actual hurts vibration was the empowerment was measured at one hundred and seventy megahertz. The lost Cubit, I'm not sure what that one was measured at, but the one that slim Spurling was working in was a sacred and that one resonated a one hundred and forty four megahurts. So I don't have anything at this point to actually measure it accurately or its residents. There are a few of them that to have them measured.
Gotcha, Okay, who is Slim Spurling and what's your relationship with him? Slim Spurling was the gentleman. He's a he's he's past now. But back in the early nineties he discovered this under this technology, and he was
more of a jack of all trades. He was, you know, ex navy, retired Navy, and he was working with a friend of his who was more more of a physicist, and they were experimenting, and he was more of a hands on kind of like an engineering technician, more of like a guy behind, you know, in my own nature right here, because I'm gonna you know, an engineering technician. So he would actually go in and it's like, okay, why does this work? Okay, if we
do this, well, this work better and stuff like that. So he kind of just tinkered with it and until it worked. So he did did this work on these tensor rings, and he actually submitted him to two separate labs. One was at Lockheed Martin and there was another one in Germany,
I believe, and they were both tested out as extremely powerful tools. They didn't know how to fully utilize the energy, but they could actually measure the frequency ranges which were they found one hundred and forty four megahertz and it was validated in two separate labs that these that the energy field is there. Okay, so I'm guessing it they're measuring it somehow, like in the electromagnetic spectrum.
Yeah, yep, and it could you tell me? Because he's referring to chi or life force energy, and then we're also talking about electromagnetic spectrum. What is actually the mechanism that creates the field? Is it possible to understand that if you look at the way that it's built. So it's a wire, we grab one here, it's like put on screen, Okay, so if you look at this, we'll get it a little bit further out
here. So that's actually a tensor ring, right, So the energy field only turns on when the wires are braised back onto itself, and they have to be a specific length to actually tune into that frequency. If it's off, you're going to have a frequency that's not right. And you know, experiments and stuff like that. I've done different links and some of them just don't work. So it's one of those things. The way that you can
understand it is curly in photography, the high voltage photography. If you actually use one of those cameras to image a tensor ring, you can actually see the energy coming off of it. Our videos on the web showing this, and it's actually pretty impressive. What we have found that these create is actually a double torus, dual direction trusts the positive energy going on both directions.
So it's a doughnut energy field, a toroidal field, right, So is energy being projected out of both sides of this and you can feel it. Yeah, And then when you say some of them don't work, that means the toro the field is not being created for some reason. Well, when I'm experimenting, it's like we'll get a I'll get a thought, let's just let's see if this frequency or this this measurement will work, and what would
have come out to be. And I've experimented with a few of them and one of them was completely nothing there, you know, when the first one that I had to download for was actually the star chakra and that one is extremely powerful. So when I get the download for one, I just create it and see what happens. And sometimes it just don't work, and you're going more by like you, you try to use it, and you can tell whether it's working based on your intention. No, it's their intention controlled.
Yes, you can feel them from the energy to this the field, just the energies of that. They produce their native energies once once you understand their native energies, and you have to figure out what their uses are at that point. Okay, that's the star chakra, Believe it or not, it's the one that's right here. But it actually is very grounding, so it kind of keeps you. It's like, okay, if you think about it, it's actually a very perfect name for it. We're here our star
chakras connecting us to our higher self. But we're here we're incarnate to do stuff. So this actually allows you to stay grounded here but also opens your connection to your higher self. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking
at it. Okay, interesting you know personally, I come over with a scientific background and I do a lot of experiments, and so that's part of this is intriguing to me, is like you you've got some insight from Slim Spurling's work, and you can go on YouTube and look up you know, how to make a tensor ring and someone will show you you can twist the wires, so it's it's pretty accessible and you've you've started to do your own experiments. You're creating your own you know, new sizes and jewelry, and
you're getting guidance. So I'm I'm really just fascinated and want to explore this process for not just how you came into doing this work, but how you're continuing to move forward into the unknown territory. Right. So, yes, so some Spurling and you, like you said, some Spilling has all these videos out there hiding his books. They explain everything on how it works,
and he open sourced the entire idea of how these are made. In the process, so the tensor ring itself creates, like we just mentioned a torus energy field coming you know, both directions off the ring, but if you actually look in the middle, there's actually a field of energy in the middle, and it's actually like a soap like when you're blowing bubbles, the soap film inside the plastic ring. When you're blowing it, it's like having an
energy film inside of here. So that's what makes this pendant extremely powerful. And Slim Spurling was using bigger, big tensor rings and smaller rings like but this big, and he would actually run it up people's arms and actually heal broken bones and heal other damage to a carpal tunnel and other things like that. And he has all kinds of I don't know if you want to call it anecdotal, but reports from clients that have actually utilized these tools and the
healing from them. So understanding that the tool, the tensor rings create that projection energy, they also you know, create that film energy, So it's projecting the crystal energy to you, but it's also connecting with the crystals inside that pendant. So that field in the middle is connecting to those crystals. The projection is after it's connecting and blowing, it's basically pushing that energy from the crystals into you and projecting outwards. So that's the that's how these tools
work. So it's utilizing the tensor to tensor field and the frequency of that tensor field. So we can modify that by using different tensor rings with the different frequencies, and then you tune it again by adding different crystals. Gotcha, And so the one you sent me has nine or seven different crystals that has eight crystals in it that has a shielding, so that one's emotion and that one actually gives you a energy energetic protection field, so you're protected from
other people's emotional energy these environmental energies. Going out in public places, you're not going to be overwhelmed by other people. Like when you grow in grocery shopping and you're bombarded by one hundred people in the same store, right, you kind of feel overwhelmed at times. I say, usually a big box store. You're going in there, there's two hundred people in the same big room as you, and it just kind of gets stressful. That'll actually help
protect you from that. But you also in the archangel Michael have the turquoise, which is very calming, the selenite, which is also very cleansing of a crystal, and then you have green mica, which is emotional healing and kind of an energy of rebirth and rejuvenation. And so you also have a smaller ring within the larger ring independent So that's like you've got the film and that ring sits in that inner part of the film. Yeah, what's how
are they interacting? Well, there's a second lost Cuba in the middle that's a smaller version. It's an octave that's literally one octave smaller. Okay, so that's you. It's actually it's so they resonate at octaves, So if you have one or half or one and a half, it's all an octave of it, as long as you keep the same length. But as long as you're octave of it will actually continue to work in that frequency. So
what's the benefit of having two different octaves? That one is just just a look of it, and I like having the different that this smaller ring inside of that one, and it actually highlights whatever crystal you put into it. Gotcha. So the Michael has a selenite, so you're actually amplifying selenite on its own in there for cleansing. But you also have the other crystals that are actually in the larger ring doing all the other work as well. Okay.
Cool. So, and they're set within a resin type material, which reminds me of oregone pyramids. Does the resin itself have any function? The resin is it's it does give it a little bit of a compression. Typical resins do shrink a little bit and they actually give a little pressure onto the crystals, and you give crystals under pressure, you get more energy out of
them. But it's also there to keep everything stable within the tensor rings, and it also holds I put some glowpowder in there to actually have a little more fun with the pendants. I'm sure you've noticed if you wear it outside or come inside at night, and but the resin is there that holds that in place, and it's I was. When I was initially trying to get
these working. I was actually doing wire wrap and hanging crystals inside the tensor rings with the first couple of pendants I was making, and I found that though those worked really well. But what happened is I got that down from Archangel Metatron and it said, okay, you need to make anklets. So I made the anklets, and then it came to a I had a friend wearing them and she couldn't wear them anymore. Her husband gave her too much
crap for doing too much of the wu Wu stuff. And I was okay, since I got the download from Metatron for the anklets, Okay, it's like, okay, guys, how do I make this work so that anybody could wear one? And nobody would think twice and when you wear a pendant, nobody's really going to look at it. It's like, oh, it's just a necklace or whatever it is, and nobody really thinks about it. So this is what came in as the change that Metatron gave me for making
this work. So that nobody would really notice that you're wearing an energy protection tool or anything was really out of place. So you can walk around completely innocuous to people that are about doing out their own thing. But I'm sure you've noticed when you go out into the public when you're wearing one of these out people that are kind of awake and aware, we'll see it and they'll
stare at it and go what is that? And it's just like it's an energy when people when people are more awake, they'll actually see the energy of it and go like, wow, what is that? You know? Where can I get one kind of thing? And I see it all the time, and I hear a lot of reports from the people who wear them all
the time too. Yeah I haven't. We'ren this to the grocery store and I you're reminding me that I need to test that out, because only in the last year or so, I've noticed when I come home from the grocery. Ah, it's like, what's been going on? Yeah, Like I must have picked up it feels like very very agro sort of experience. And I was like, is there something wrong with the function of the grocery store
or what's going on? Or maybe it's a we have a car that has an electric battery, and I'm like, am I feeling the battery of the car? So yeah, I just need to test that out. Yeah, what we found was the energy of and you'll figure this out and you'll see it when you actually go to the store. Then you'll feel the difference and energy. What happens is when people have like, oh, I got to go grocery shopping, people tend to get into autopilot and they'll end it do
you know this? I got my list? And then they're not paying attention to what they're doing and they're going through their mind and they're processing what they've been through for today, and they're like, oh, I got to go
do this. I got to go. Either they're really stressed on time, or they're dealing with you know, family, or they're dealing with whatever it is, but their energy will be heightened and not focused on what they're doing, so you'll find and you'll feel stress, You'll feel like rush, You'll feel you know, frustration or anger or whatever it is from people just going through the grocery store because they're not necessarily there to do you know, their
grocer they're doing grocery store stuff, but they're energetically not there. So when you're wearing a protection, you know, when you're wearing protection, you won't feel that energy. Yeah, for me, it was before I was wearing knees when I went into a costco when you have you know, so many people in the same room and be like, I'd been there fifteen minutes. I got to get out right. So what was the what was the circumstances
of your life when you first discovered tensor rings? And maybe you could walk me through, like why you felt called to work with this particular technology. Let's say I was an engineering technician working for a large corporation and having a very large life change in the middle of all this going on, and I was trying to figure out who I was again, and I was reading Michael
Newton, you know, Journey of the Soul. Brian Weiss also the same regressionist type stuff, and then Dolorous Cannon's books, So a lot of this stuff was talking about either regressing somebody to a past life or their soul journey or some of the other stuff that goes on. Especially with the Dolores Canna stuff was amazing, and I'm like, Okay, this is really interesting.
We are far more than we understand. And then I come across as I'm continuing going through these books, I come across some spurling and all the claims he had as we talked about some of the anecdotal evidence that he was talking about in some of his interview videos. So I got his books and I read his books and it was really interesting. So I'm like, okay, and it's open source and he explains it. So I started making them.
The thing is, I wasn't in the right place when I first started making them, so the tools I was making weren't really energetic at the time. So I actually had to become more centered, more calm, more. My intention had to be in the right place while I was actually making them and not just trying to be a distraction from what was going on. So it took a little bit. Then I started making them that were actually very energetic,
very powerful. And when I found out they were really functioning, I made four of them and they were about probably ten inch diameter, so they were decent size. And I was going to a sound bath every two weeks at the time, and I let the lady was actually doing it. I said, here, have these four and check them out. See how they work with the singing bowls. Because she was doing you know, she had the chakras and you know, the regular chakras and the higher chakra. So
she had the fourteen different balls, she was playing with them. Two days later she texted me back, so can I get ten more? Because it changed the way the crystal bulls literally sang, the way they sounded, the way they resonated, so they would resonate longer, they got louder, and the energy of it, they kind of like more of a nuanced, better sound coming out of the bulls. So it was on top of the ring. Yeah, you just put the ring on the ground right underneath it,
and it's in that. If you're thinking about the way that taurus field creates, it's like an energy field that goes up, so it creates a calm of energy coming up through the bowl. So the bull is sitting in that calumn of energy and it definitely shifts the way the ball plays. So with you mentioned Dolores Cannon and then you know this past life information, was there something in there that like queued you into tensor rings or or you know,
where's the connection there? The connection was it was I was looking at how the past lives and the life between lives and the energy and understanding that with those books, and when I started going through the you know, slim spurling information, it was like, okay, so this is more of like a energy healing tool, energies that are kind of nuanced, and I'm like,
okay, let's check it out. The reason the connection came from because I was a mechanic for fifteen years, so utilizing working with metals and torches and doing all this other stuff, and then working as an engineering technician use you know, documenting your your specific lengths and documentation and very detail oriented. So between being a mechanic and an engineer and I'm like, okay, so I can do this. I'm like, okay, let's just see. God became
a challenge. Can I make these things work? Right? So I started making them and they actually did start working eventually. I took a little bit, but they did. And were you saying that the creator of the ring has to be in the right mental emotionals space, like they won't work if the person is out of balance somehow you have to be more if you have to be in you don't have to be one hundred percent like you know,
you know what do you want to call it high vibration? You just have to be your intentions have to be there, am I You know no, because when I was doing and when I first started creating them, I was actually doing mantras when I was creating them, and that's what really started bringing the energy in. Is like it got my my intentions, It got my energy field more balanced, more centered, So yes, I would say more balanced. And you know it's the intention And like we like we talked about
earlier, is these are intention tools. So making sure your intentions why you're creating the intention tools is a big thing. Gotcha? Okay? Do you do you have any awareness of your past lives? Just through like flashes of information and it's like glimpses and they're not very specific, and I'm not sure exactly what timeframes you know, I know I was in France. I know I was in England multiple times, Native American once or twice. You know,
I've been here for a very long time. So and energetically, I believe I was in order to understand some of this technology. I believe I was in the Atlantean timeframe studying more of energies and portals. That's what I was wondering about, if there is any skill set that you're utilizing now that maybe you had in other lifetimes as well. Yeah, I feel that this is more of a very very old skill set that I haven't utilized in a long time. Interesting. Yeah, and I think you said something about like
Slim resurrected this technology or brought this old technology. Is there reference or evidence of this being used in historical times? No, this is more of me understanding my past and like my lifetime's back in like Atlantis timeframe, because I was studying portals at dimensional shifts, because they were using portals to shift between
dimensions so that you could actually just walk through and move. So this type of stuff when I saw it, and I was like, yeah, it's just more like more like a remembrance of or an understanding that came back as everything we're doing right now seems to be coming more of a spiritual nature, and the understandings are coming more of downloads than just you know, learning. Do you think you could make a portal that you could walk through by a
big one of these? That's like very reminds me of the Stargate movie, right, the big circle that you stepped through. Yes. I was actually looking at possibly creating one, and I had this this, this, you know, this download. I'm like, maybe I should gonna try making one of these. And it was based off of I can't think of the guy's name. It was a Russian scientist in the nineties that was also doing something with the aluminum mirrors. The spiral the Fibonacci speaks, uh, sequenced spiral
with the cause of rev mirror. Yeah, yeah, that's the is in the healthy device. Yeah. If you've seen the Healey device, so it's like a mirror that is like a two way mirror like projects and receives yep. Okay, interesting, So I'm want to put one of those inside. Okay, oh interesting. If you made a portal that you could walk through to another place, would you go through it in this particular lifetime. I doubt it. Right now, I'm looking more at more of a etheric traveling.
If we're going to do physical i'd want to make sure i'd be going with my wife. Okay, you mentioned her on your website as being influential in your whole journey. Here, what's how does she fit into this picture? When when I first got involved with Vivian, it was on my journey,
I had started creating tools. I had already been contacted and connected to archangel Metatron, and what we started doing is I was going through healing and meditations and she was doing those meditations and healing classes at the time, So we were I was working through a bunch of stuff at the time and she was helping me do that. So it was very instrumental on how I am now and how the path played out from that timeframe. And she does she
help guide the direction of your work as well, not necessarily guide. I'll get the downloads for the tools and I'll create them. What will happen is when I create them Sometimes because when I'm when I'm in the shop making these things, I'm I'm surrounded by crystals and tensor rings, and I am completely oversaturated by these energies, and I won't be able to feel anything, and I'm like, hey, hone, can you feel this? What is this doing? I won't be able to feel it until I get myself away from
all that energy. It's too loud in there. Basically, energetic shop is extremely loud energetically, Yes, gotcha. So yeah, if you want to test a new one out yourself, you make it and then you what do you have to walk away from it for a while and then come back to it. I'd have to actually go for a walk out in nature, get grounded, and then you know, you bring it with me and just like leave it away from me for a little bit and come back and feel.
Sometimes some of the energies I'm not sensitive enough to feel, but that doesn't mean they don't work. It just means I'm not sensitive to them. Vivian is usually very sensitive to all the tools, so I'll know exactly what they do. And then we have a lot of not anecdotal, but reports back from clients and people we work with and talk to it, especially at conferences, on how these tools feel and work for them. Yeah, so I imagine like after you get them in the hands of enough people. You start
to see themes and patterns and notice how people are using them. Is there anything that's been unexpected in terms of how people are using these not necessarily unexpected per se, It's like what we did find this, I guess this is a little bit more of a more refined definition. Is we kind of knew there were intention based tools when we were making them, but we didn't realize how powerful they were in intentions and how much you could do with the intentions
on these tools. So the understanding on how powerful they can be by amplifying you and your intentions, that was more of like, oh, I didn't realize that. That was kind of wow. And we knew that from like years ago that when we were actually we were going through Sedona and we were under energetic attack, basically, tell the pendent, make us invisible, to make it out, do those do us harm, and just all of a
sudden the attack would stop. So we knew that the intention based tool was there, but we didn't realize you could do okay, set the intention on to okay, I want to this is my goal, remove all obstacles that are not in my best interest, or you know, do those kinds of intentions, you know, I don't know. There's all kinds of different ways
you can do it. Like I have the video I have out there, it's like have fun with it, enjoy you know, it's just like, okay, what can I do today in an intention to make my day, you know, better, happier, more joyful. Do you do? You set your intention? You reset it every day pretty much you don't have to. What I would do is what I tell people to do is if you're
doing a daily one, yes you can. But what I have people doing normally is it's like when you first start getting a tool like this is you get the tool, you reset it, and then you connect to it and then tell it to go full power. If it's too much, you tell
it to go down to your comfort level. And then from there what you would do it's like, Okay, I know I need to work on the emotional trauma of this event, Okay, and you just get connect to it and tell it's like I want to remove you know, then you know all the all the energy that's associated with this event so that it no longer impacts my life, and you just tell it, you know, you know, just think to it. Tell what you want it to do. And what you do is you just go through you know, your day to day.
You know, maybe like a week or two goes by, and you tell it to you know, reset at that point. And now if you were triggered by that particular event or that emotional trauma, you go for a week or two without having that intention on the pendent and see if you're still triggered. So what you're doing is you're allowing the pendent to do the work for
a week or two and then see if it's actually cleared. Depending on how deep and how hard, you know, how much of an impact it is on your life, could you use it for let's say you're trying to accomplish something in the three D world. Could you use it to say like bring me better luck or bring me the synchronicities to make this happen more quickly or
something like that. Yes, So that one I would actually just say, it's like, okay, tell it, this is my goal, remove anything that is not my highest and greatest, and you know, path allow the synchronous synchronicities to make this happen more clear So utilizing positive intention or positive wording into the intentions and making it happen. Yes, are you speaking the intention out loud? Like are you talking talking into it like a microphone? Or
how are you doing? You can you can just think it. This is the best part. It's like when we're actually conferences I have people just tell it. It's like, don't say it out loud, just think it, put it yoursk reset, go to full power and just think it. Don't tell me, don't say all out. And you wouldn't believe the grins I get on people's faces when they all of a sudden they were just thinking it, and all of a sudden they can feel the shift and the change by
a thought. This is a tool that you can control with a thought, which reminds me of when I hear insiders talk about how UFOs are piloted. They say that they're, you know, basically thought controlled consciousness control systems. So you think, I want to fly over there, and the craft just goes over there. What do you think about all the UFO stuff that's coming
out now? If I understand it correctly, you have a lot of CIA controlled people trying to steer the narrative at the moment, and a lot of people are buying into that kind of narrative whenever you have somebody trying to tell you, especially that well, we may have to defend ourselves or you know, it's just like okay, now in a logical form, just think about
it. Logically. Now, if you had an alien civilization that knows how to get here from thirty thousand light years, do you really think they're going to be worried about our technology? They can come in here and just lay ways to it in a heartbeat. So I'm not buying it that they'd have to actually do any of these types of things. And if they really, if they were that kind of intent, of that kind of smart they would actually why would they come to us now in a nuclear age where we could
fire off some nukes? Why wouldn't they have done it five hundred years ago when we had you know, bows and arrows and swords, I mean realistically, So now I think we have we do have some I think we have some negative ets here that are utilizing us as energy and siphoning off energy and controls and stuff like that using fear, and we have positive entities and races coming in here trying to steer us in the right direction. So I think
some of the stories that you hear on the positive and negative side. I think some of those are actually true. But the new stuff coming out the whole we're disclosing it in front of Congress and stuff like that. And you have this one guy, it's like, I would tell you, but we can't. We'll have to do it in a skiff. That's bullshit. You think that's or a staged thing. Yeah, totally controlled, Yeah, totally controlled. That's that's CIA telling you. Yeah, we have information, but
we can't tell you. And we're only doing this to steer a narrative. And if you notice, the only thing they're going to tell you is to bring a fear and nothing more. So it's they're trying to control everybody on one of those things. It's to me, that's what it is. Yeah, you know, I remember I think I saw a clip of Slim. He's like a cowboy looking fella. He's like, a yeah, he's pretty pretty unique getting character. But he's saying, there's the clip I saw.
He was like, this is from the nineties, and he was saying, within twenty years, I think we can clean up the climate, we can clean up air pollution, and we'll be living in sort of heaven on our type of situation. Obviously we're not there right now. But he seemed to be so confident that his tensor ring technology was going to cause these amazing changes. So what is possible with this in regards to pollution or climate or anything
like that. And why haven't we utilized them? For one, if the tool actually works, they would never really utilize it, so people will have to do it on their own. And Slim what he wanted to do was actually use his harmonizer, and if you read his books, he talks about this. It only covers a certain radius of space in the atmosphere and it's an atmospheric cleaner. It has nothing to do with climate. It was all to do with actually cleaning the negative energies in particulate out of the atmosphere.
And this is what he was doing in Denver. He was clearing out the negative energies and the negative climate, not climate, but negative what do I call it? Oh? Good god? What was he doing? He was actually using the tensor rings to neutralize thunderstorm, so it's not necessarily climate, but he was actually manipulating the weather with it. Okay, so we could use it during hurricane season any Yes, so you also have a government agencies
heating atmosphere to do that too. So yeah, working across purposes. But do you think like if a hurricane was approaching shore in Florida, like a few people who go out with tensor rings and redirected, is that is that what's possible? Or well we slim Smelling was doing. Is he was actually taking it and taking like the two foot ones, two two foot diameter ones and pointing it at clouds and he would actually dissipate a cloud with it,
so it would dissipate the energy. So I mean, I don't know how powerful it would be to you know, going after a you know, the storm of that size with one person and a tense for ring, I don't know. Don't you want to try it? For me? I live in the desert, so we don't get a whole lot of that. What's the biggest ring you've you've had? I've made a couple of the was it twenty five footers five diameter? Yeah? Diameter, the radius is about twenty five
so it's about seven approximately seven foot diameter. Okay, pretty good size. And what do you do with that one? That one we utilize is to absorb negative energies out of the ground and projecting positive energy up into the atmosphere. We use it in different areas. Friend of ours actually has it in their their labyrinth in the middle of their labyrinth. Yeah, to heal the
land. Yeah. Agricultural applications are there, Like there's a lot. We were doing electroculture experiments, which is also with copper wire, but you're just sort of make an antenna and stick it in the in the dirt. Is there anything with plants or growing you can do with these did experiments with that, and he was using his amplifier cut that. No, the amplifiers.
I can't think of what I was talking about. But he makes the specific tool that actually he was working with the clean up agriculture and you know, larger scale, gotcha. Okay, and you're you're going to focus on the wearable Yeah, and you mentioned sort of the latest iteration is the Chamuel pendant, which is like a PTSD related pendant. Yeah, the archangel Shamuel.
That one is it has the same eight crystals that the one that you're wearing the Michael has, but it has ten other crystals in it that are specifically designed to help alleviate the stress and energies of trauma. So when you're wearing
it, it's very calming and clearing. So if somebody that you know would have heavy stresses and traumas, and you don't have to be military or first responder or anything like that, if you just have a lot of that in your life, these are actually very much of a positive impact to that. And right now we're working on getting these out to more and more people.
We've got them, We've actually have I'm actually a Michael to a police officer in a Massachusetts area, and we have a couple of them here in our
area here for in the fire department. You know, I'm always looking at, partly because of my scientific training, looking at are there any experiments we could run or is there like a controlled study that we could do with these things to sort of say, well, how much effective PTSD could there be, or could we like get enough people to use them that there's like a lot of people i think want some sort of logical proof before they can get
started in something, and so yeah, I'm just curious if there's like any studies that you would like to set up or what. Yeah, what do you think could get if they're effective PTSD tools, like, what would it take to get them in the hands of more people. That's what I'm working
on now, trying to get connections. I'm working on connections with the Davy Disabled American Vets have an email I need to send out to the Garyusonese Foundation, and I need to actually connect more with our local people here as well and see what we can do to get these into the hands of those people.
I don't know about a study or anything like that, but I have a feeling if we can do something with the Disabled American Vets and the Gariousnese Foundation, they could probably do something along that line, tracking the progress of the individuals that they get to, you know, get these tools to. Yeah, you're you're reminded me of Dawson Church. You're familiar with Dawson Church.
He was on the show a few years ago. He he's the one of the researchers who brought e FT tapping to sort of public awareness and he he wanted to have them start using this in the VA hospital system and they said it sounds like woo wooh, no, thank you. So he set up a foundation where he would teach, and I think he ended up teaching it to like one hundred and fifty thousand veterans through his private foundation, and then they had spectacular results. And then the VA said, okay, fine,
we will incorporate this into our you know, protocol. And I think eventually what they do now, it sounds like, if I can recall from the interview, these vets go into the VA and during the case history type phase when they're like you know, just talking to the patient, they do tapping, and with half of the people they can just send them home, like their symptoms go away and they can just send them home. So it's like reduced the caseload by half. But he had to set that up himself.
I was so impressed, you know, he was like, it's needed. I had to set up myself. So maybe there's like, yeah, you set up some sort of like rental bank, you know, where you can just like check these out to people or something. Yeah. I just watched the documentary on Gary Sonise and you know, Lieutenant Dan the whole thing about Forrest Gump and how he got involved with the VA through his wife and his and his wife's family and you know, being veterans and stuff like that.
So I want to be able to connect with these guys and if and if they can actually get some get some you know, anecdotal evidence through the family and through direct connections that way, maybe we can actually get some more
impact in that direction. Because he's actually doing a lot of traveling along and helping with the VA or the the veterans and stuff like that through you know, O, S I and whatnot, going around with and seeing all the vets and going out to different places all around the world to help with the people in the in the military. Ah, So you could you get in touch with him and I'm working on I'm working on that. Yeah, Okay,
amazing. Just out of curiousity, if anyone is listening, if you were to put out a request to listeners other than for people to like actually get one for themselves, like what what would be most helpful, what type of opportunities would be most helpful for you right now? So if people are looking to actually you know, into looking into these, it's what's interesting is you have to actually do the the what you'll call it the intention based setup
like we talked about. So if we actually you're wearing one so it makes a difference. So when you're wearing one, you can disconnect to it and tell it to reset and then go to full power. So if nobody has one and you want one, to look at one and see what they do, you can actually, through just intention feel it. So you would actually go to the website, click on individual pendance and then visualize your wearing it and through your intentions. You know, you visualize it right here right over
your heart. You connect to it, reset it, tell it to go to full power, and just feel how does it impact you? And what you'll find is the individual tools will talk to you specifically. You know, whether it's the Michael feels better, or the Shamuel feels better, or the Metatron feels better, or the anklets feel better, or my multi dimensional feels is like the one I really want to do. It doesn't It's everything is unique in the individual because the energies of the tools are very much tuned very
specifically for what they do, but they impact the individuals very specifically. Everybody's path is different. Yeah, I want to I want to put a bookmark there because I want to ask you about like making one specifically for a person. But what I was asking you about is like in general, like in your endeavors, you know, because when I when I am, when I meet someone new, like at a networking event, often I just ask him, like, you know, what do you need right now to support you
know where you're going like in the next month or so. It would be the best way that somebody could support you given what you're trying to accomplish. And that's that's kind of what I was asking well for these tools. The part of it is it's like, what I need is people to understand how they impact you as an individual because they're so experiential and getting the getting the
word out that these tools are available. And that's the thing I need, is getting the word out and allowing people to actually do that visualization and does it? Will it help you? Will it? You know? Will can this help me in this specific way? Or can I get through this or whatnot? So it's one of those things for me. The biggest thing is getting the word out for these tools. You know, the Archangels came in
and gave me messages to get these tools built. You know, it's like Metatron came in and said, Okay, you need to make anklets and they you know, he told me, it's like it has to be in a tensor ring. It has to have these five crystals, and it has to have a copper mesh over it. And I'm like, okay. It took me a year and a half to figure out how to get it all together with all the materials and everything and make it work. And from there it was like, okay, now what do I do. It's just like and
then it came into the pendants and stuff like that. So the channeling and the information is is real. It's kind of interesting, and the kind of to go back to the Metatron part, it's like, it took me about a year and a half to get these you know, working and all set up, and then I was dealing with a large life change and I had to put everything on hold for a while. And then Vivian got a message
through dream state from some very high dimensional beings. They came into her dream statee and told her it's like, okay, tell him to start making those those tools. He needs to make them now. So I kind of got scolded because I was too busy doing three D Earthly I have to take care of all these other things, and I was like, no, you need to make sure these are being made. Have you ever not listened to this channel the guidance. Have you ever gotten a message and just ignored it because
he didn't want to? Well, that was the first time I did. I made the med I did the Metatron thing. He told me to make them, and I didn't make him for a while, and then I got another get reprimand from a higher dimensional being telling me to get off my ass and start making them. So it's more of like, yes, you did what so after that one, and I pretty much and whenever I get a message like okay, if I don't get around to it right away, it's
on my list of to do. Gotcha? Have there been any sing nicities or confirmations like when you start to and let me explain why I'm asking this question. Is a lot of times when I, or like people in general, they want to heed their intuition or their guidance, and there's a lot
of stepping into the unknown. It's like, oh my gosh, I'm a little uncomfortable doing this, so and then something will come along to confirm that it's the right thing to do. Have there been any of those confirmation points or synchronicities that tell you like okay, keep going, or you know, other than like the big loud interdimensional beings telling you to do it, it's more of so, yes, I got the interdimensional being coming in and tell
me to do this. But the biggest thing for me is when I go to because we go to conferences regularly so that we can meet and talk and introduce people to the tools. And the biggest confirmation I get is when people are impacted by by when they put the tools on and their personal response to
the tools. And I've had people, i mean multiple times breaking down, crying, literally crying when they put the tool on and they just connect to it until it to go to full power and it's just like okay, And this just reinforces the fact that they're working and this is what's supposed to be happening. These tools need to get out to people, you know. You know, there's a lady that we met in Costa Rica not too long ago, and she put the pendent on it and she was literally just standing there
crying for five minutes once she put it on. And this is not the first time that's happened. It happens quite often. More often than you would think, because what happens is people get the idea that it's like, well, I've been doing meditations for ten years. I know how to put up energy shields. I know how to protect my energy. I know how to do this, and yes, you have an understanding that you can do this, but you haven't actually created the full field of you know of an energetic
shield. And what these do is these actually when you put these on, they actually give you that protection instantly, and it teaches you this is what it really feels like when you're protected and shielded. So understand that feeling. And when you understand that feeling and you can put that into your unconscious this is what it feels like, your body will automatically and your energy field will
automatically create that. But it takes time to train and learn. So the biggest thing I've found is when you when you get people that literally have gotten to the point where it's like I've done it all and I don't know why. And then you give them a tool and tell them to connect to it, and then through their thought they can and they all of a sudden, I can connect to it and talk to it with my mind without saying a word and all of a sudden, I can feel this and the experience of
that is just so impactful. Yeah, it would probably motivate me to want to go to a lot of these conferences. Yes, and that's that's where we do. That's what we're doing now, and that's where you know, the greatest thing is right now is to get the get the word out for the tools and get the people get to experience these tools, and even if just doing it through intention through a webpage and looking at the image and visualizing
it, you know, as you're wearing it. Just having people do that and understanding that these tools are available, and that's the big thing right now, because they are. They're angelically guided, which is hard to believe, and I didn't believe it when I first started getting the messages either. But it's just like, Okay, yeah, they're there. They really are there. They do talk to us when they need to. What about free energy?
I think maybe you mentioned on another podcast that there is potential to use these for energy generation that accurate. Yes. In Slim's book, the Lockeied Martin and the German engineers that were actually experimenting in the labs they call it the most powerful room temperature superconductor or energy conductor that they've ever seen, but they just don't know how to get the energy out of it. Well would if you were to try to get the energy out of it? How would
you approach to that. I've had a couple ideas, and I need to actually work on it, and that's basically putting coils around it and seeing if we can draw energy through the different coils. Okay, interesting is it? Were you an electrical engineer or what type of engineer? Were you? Engineering
technician? Yeah? The technician means I'm basically when I'm working with engineers that they're going through their minds like this is how the spec works, this is how you know physics work in This machine will do exactly what I tell it to do. And you're looking at and going, no, that machine won't do it that way. I'll tell you, but we can try. Yeah, bring basically bringing common sense in the physical world into a into an engineering
frame. And that's how basically I understand an engineering technician. Mmm, gotcha. So like you're you're like the go between between the the builders and the the print makers. Can yep, you know, this is the blueprint. This is what's going to happen, and when you actually make the machine. It's the difference between you know, the logic and common sense and reality. That's like I think you'll get partially there, but I don't think you're going
to get one hundred percent and then you work through it. Okay, So so walk me through this. So tested it lockeed martin the ring and you can see it in the Kurleian photography. You can see that it's creating a high energy field. If you were to put coils around it, what would that do? I don't know. Again, that's the only vision. That's
a vision I was given to do. I just haven't had the time or anything like that to actually do any of the experiments, isn't it I mean, I know, you know, it's it's like there's so many priorities, But like, wouldn't that be amazing if you were able to bring free energy to people? Yeah, if they didn't off me because of it? But
yeah, are you not doing it because you're scared? No? Right now, my goal is to raise the vibration of people, and once we get people to hire enough vibration, then free energy will be available from all kinds of different sources. So I'm not necessarily, you know, don't need to lead the way and free energy. I need to actually need to lead the way in freeing minds, freeing energy, and feeding, freeing the people.
Okay, I get that, and then then free energy will just arise from lots of inventors, because right now, if you had free energy, it would only go to the people of the rich and controlled, which probably already is there. So you need to free the minds of the people. It's more like the matrix and neo kind of thing. M all right, I see that. And then another question I had from YouTube comments was someone was saying, you've got to spin the tensor rings. You gotta spin them around
and they're more effective. Is there anything to that. I've never seen that one us as far as inning the tensor ring. To me, at some of the different people out there that make tensor rings tend to actually when they spin, when they spin, when they actually spin the wire, they spin it really tight. I only do that on like the really small rings or
the hoops that hold the lanyards. As far as the actual tensor rings, I do, I usually leave them open to allow the what do you call it the frequent Each one of those turns actually creates a wave or an energy like a field. I call it like a flux line. So each one of those windings creates a flux line, and when you actually have it too tight, it creates a distorted flux line. Uh, it creates a different energy field. And we felt this like I was making some pretty big ones.
It's about two foot diameter ones. And when you are really really tight with the energy field, you can stand in the ring and if you just relax your energy and just step in it, you'll feel it where it's actually pointing you right. And when you have it really tight, it'll actually be kind of an offset. You'll feel like it'll be pushing you off to the side. Okay, that's not you know, it's not centered, it's not
you know, it's too confusing. The energy is not stable. So I ended up backing off on the winding, and it seemed to make the energy feel more stable. So through experimentation, that's how I forget this one out. Gotcha, and I'm sure you've made the connection between the double helix of the DNA and the double twist of the copper wire from looking at this pennant, it seems to be about a similar tightness to the DNA winding exactly.
And this is what I've found to be the best pretty accurately to the best wind you know density, for the best power and for the best cleaner energy. Okay, One thing the DNA does is it does the super super coiling the like to make the chromosome. Right, you have the initial double helix, and then it like if you keep twisting it, it'll like twist back
on itself and you get these like hyper compact kind things. What would happen if you just like twisted and twisted and twisted the copper and it just was like in a regular you know, like a chromosome of copper, Well, copper won't go that far. It'll break, okay once once you actually get it compressed to a certain point, what happens is that the copper just gets too hot and it just gets soft and it breaks. So you're not going to be able to actually twist it back in on itself. Gotcha. Okay,
does the thickness of the copper matter the wire? Yes, yes, So I do the thinner wire on anklets to make it more pliable and movable, so you can actually bend it around your leg and make it hold the dependance. I use the specific about twelve gauge, and it's actually big enough to hold a decent charge, but not too big to you know, weigh a lot. And I've actually made pendance with six gauge before and it's pretty heavy. It's a hefty pendant. So but when you're doing when you're doing
bigger like two foot rings, six gauge is perfect. M you know, the bigger the ring with a bigger wire gives you more power you went to hold its circular structure? Yep, does it matter like if if I'm imagining the big ones are hard to get perfectly round as a matter, if it's like slightly warped, I haven't seen it make that much of a difference, but we do try to keep it as round as possible. What happens is like it creates a vortex of energy, and it projects energy up and down.
So when it's off a little bit, you'll feel it distort the field. So instead of being straight up and down the calumniss, it'll start to tweaking you in one direction or another. What about other shapes other than a circle, like you've got pyramid behind you. What about squares or triangles or
anything like that. I did a couple triangle pendants when I was first experimenting, and I hadn't really gone anything back with them, but I didn't have any negative responses out of it, So there's always a possibility of going back into that. We are coming up with a new new pendant for intentity protection too. That one's coming out cool. What's what's uh different about that one
that makes it entity protecting. A friend of mine was working with an elder, an elder I think it was a shaman, and they were working with clearing houses and removing spirits and entities from different places. And what they were doing is they would they created a small a small pendant with a circle,
triangle, square on it and it was specifically spaced. And what that would do is and that was again a very olde old understanding with those just those three symbols, and what it would do is actually create an entity protection for some reason. It would actually create a vibrational field of you, like you're you have an energy field layered out from your physical body. It would actually create an energy field out just out of your field so that an entity could
not attach to you. It's like, you know, if you're out ghostbusting all of a sudden you come home with a nasty one or something, you know, something like that. It would keep you from bringing home something that you don't want to bring home. And because they were doing these clearings and these houses and stuff like that, they actually put this thing to work. And this was something that I worked through with my friend Thomas, and he
was allowed me to bring it into a pendant. And what we found was is dependent that they were utilizing was strong and it would keep entities from attaching to you. But what we do is we added it to the tensor ring in our pendant and it was like one hundredfold stronger. It turned into more of like you're walking around as like a beacon for entities that are just floating around that want to get you know, returned, you know, waiting for
the light. They missed them, you know, they missed the bust kind of thing. It's like open the portal, let them home. So what this pendant does keeps negatives from attaching to you, but it also brings the positive entities that want to go back to the run the light. You can open up a portal throughout one of the little prayers that we have and open it up, send them on the way, and close the portal. Interesting, so you could you could take one of these like a civil war battlefield
and clean it up. Yep. Absolutely. What about use with the land, like healing the land or working with the land itself? With the land. One of the things I was actually I started understanding and working with is some of the stuff that slim Sparling was talking about. And he was dowsing with the what do you call it, the geo line that Gooli geo I can't think of the name of the word now, but the energy lines, the tool auric currens and stuff like that that come across the surface of the
Earth. There are multiple layers of energy that actually cross over everything that we exist in. And what he did is he was actually dowsing using the l
rods. He was dowsing for the energy currents coming into and out of people's properties, and he was actually staking copper rods where the energy would actually enter a property and it would actually push that energy over the property by several hundred feet or several hundred meters whatever it was he was doing, and it would just basically push that energy over and he would do it all the way around
the property. Whoops, sorry, do it all the way around the property, because with these energies coming into the property was actually having people were having physical ailments, heart attacks and strokes and all these negative energies that are coming through for some of these people. And he would come through and this is what he was doing in Denver and stuff like that one with him and his friend. So some of that with the physical and energetic this was some of
the stuff that you know, I do. I've done it to our property here and staked it around and pushed the energies over the house and stuff like that. And it helps because you determined that they were negative energies in some way, it's not necessarily the negative. The issue is it's an energy current
that we don't necessarily need coming through us. The planet may need it as a current, but I you know, some of the times it's like if it's coming through you, and it's to say, there is an electromagnetic grid now coming in because of all the electromagnetics that we're creating. So we want to make sure that's pushed over. So what I do is I actually do the dowsing and go across the entire property and with the intention on the dowsing
rods. Okay, any negative energies that are gonna you know, none of my best interest. Show me what the lines are, right, and it doesn't matter which ones they are if it's not for my best interest. I'm bouncing that over the property. And you're doing this with tensor rings of the
perimeter of the property, just copper rods. So when the when when they when you find the entrance to the property where the energy is coming through, you just stick put the copper rod right in there and you hammer it into the ground and it actually through the energy coming through the ground. From the ground up. The energy comes in and basically bounces off that. Interesting. Oh yeah, this is all in some spellings book. It's actually his book
is a really good read. It's really interesting stuff what he was doing. And an autobiography that one was I believe, Yeah, I think that was the autobiography. There's also a a biography as well. There's two books. One's autobiography wants a biography? Okay, cool? Have you ever tried to connect with Slim to get his input on your work. I've asked him to come in a couple of times, and in his book it's actually kind of
funny. He actually says this in his book. He goes, if you ever want me to come and help give you some feedback, just you know, call my name and ask me for some you know, have me come for coffee. That's what he said in the book. And this is what he said after he had passed to one of his friends that was a medium. Oh okay, so the book was written about him afterwards, and he's it was like giving that the biography was talking about him after it had passed.
Okay, interesting, Yeah, wow, Okay. The other thing I wanted to make sure to ask you about was so you have the rings and set measurements octaves of specific cubit. Yeah, but I'm wondering about, like,
so each person's field is individual to them. So you said you could test by looking at the pictures to see which one resonates the most, But is there any way to create a custom size for a person, Like I'm just thinking like different people might benefit from different sizes that are not necessarily the standard cubit. I don't know. Well, what I'm going to be doing is right now, I'm the only one doing all the copper work, so
it takes you know, that takes a lot of time. Once I have a little bit more of the free time, I'm going to be doing like more copper specific tensor rings from the small from like little finger rings all the way up to the big meditation rings and all the different frequencies, so people
can actually utilize as those rings in any way they want. So anything from the root chakra all the way up, you can utilize these rings and they can actually again to intention feel the ring and a lot of times for the big tensor rings, which is interesting is all you have to do is visualize that on the ground right beneath you and stand stand on the floor and just to stand there and just feel like there's a tensor ring around you on the
floor and just feel that you're you know that that is the ring you're feeling, and then you can change it to the different friens, a different tensor ring and see how that one feels. And just so what I'm gonna be doing is I'm putting the different tensor rings up there on the site, so people clean experience that those particular tensor rings and you can actually try them all
out. Great. What's your what's your workshop or fabrication facility? Like it's actually my shop is basically it's a two car garage about that size, not much space. And what do you what do you need to be able to do this successfully? Successfully? And I will need more so we can get more sales, so that we can actually get more time, more another person in to help me do more copper work, because that's the biggest limited right now. Right now, I do have my my son and my daughter helping.
My son helps me a lot doing a lot of this stuff, the sanding down for the pendants to make them nice and flat. Yeah, yeah, I noticed that there's like you can see the bright copper, So what is that? What type of standard do you use to stand that down to diamond? Diamond lapadory? Okay, like the same thing they cut gems with. Yep, ah cool, we're cut we are cutting gems, we're cutting
stones with these, so you have to have the same tools. Mm hm sweet And yeah, what what haven't I asked you about so far that you want to make sure to share? Well, the one of the other things we're coming up with, and we've got partially designed out, is uh star seed pendants that are tuned for specific uh you know, different star races. So the tensor ring, like you were talking about, the tensor ring is going to be a frequency that's aligned with them, and the crystals independent are
also going to be aligned with them specifically. So you're going to have you know, the tensor ring for a specific frequency, and then each of different crystals are going to allow the energy of those individuals to feel like more at home, more relaxed, so they can, you know, when they're going through their day to day they feel like more of their source energy field. So if you're from Oryan and you're from you know, Andromeda, you're going
to feel more of that energy instead of being here. That's fine. I think I saw Vivian is connected with the Arcturians. Yes she is. So what would an Arcturian penden be? Like, we have a we had one, We're out of production for it, but we did a Octorian vortex pendant and it had and it had some some stones out of an Octorian vortex and the energy of that pendant was through the roof. It was incredibly powerful. Had the crystals that it was actually a very amazing pendant. What were those
crystals in there? That one was, if I remember right, rotonite, Lapis laboratory amethyst, and I believe we had a little bit of the Sedona red rock in it. Mhm. Cool. I noticed that one of the ones in this was tanzanite, which is yes, pretty. I don't fully know it that well, but I know it's highly prized in met physical l circles. Yeah, tans Nit's very powerful. Morganite is also very in there, and it's actually very powerful. Yeah. Uh, it's like more of
a angelic rose quartz. Mhm right. Yeah, I love I love crystals and stones and it's so fun to have around. Where can people find you online? Everybody can find me on Energiesofservice dot com. I'm also as Energy as a Service. You can find me on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn. Yeah, I'm pretty much on the majors on that on that part anyway. Still looking for other platforms to play with and work on. Yeah, excellent, Well, uh I think we can. I think we can
wrap there. Thanks thanks for coming on the show. It's been fun. Thank you. Derek, it's been a pleasure. Absolutely, Yeah, we'll talk to him and stay in touch. Absolutely, we'll do all right.