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I'm your host, John Venom, and today we will be talking about the Demon Inside Gene Meredith. Jean Meredith was a killer that the police believe was a serial killer, but they only convicted him of 1 murder when there could have been two and there would have been more according to Jean, because of the voices in his head are actually the voices outside of his head.
We're going to get into that. But before we do, let me give you just a brief background on Jean because anything that I tried to find was really hard to find. I found some paperwork from the courts about him trying to get his case dismissed because due to mental issues, which I believe Jean did have, he started off at the age of 18. But let me let me get back to let me start this way.
Jean was born in Lansing, MI and he lived with his mom and his stepdad and while he was with his mom and his stepdad he used to get abused. Now, according to this documentary I saw, which was The Killer Speaks season 2 episode 1, and I would suggest you guys watch this because I'm going to be referring to this back and forth because like, you know, I like to go directly to the source and Gene is actually giving an interview on this show.
So if you get a chance, you need to watch The Killer Speak Season 2 episode 1. And there's a certain part that I really want you to see, so we'll get into that as well. But anyway, Gene says that when he was a child, he was mentally abused by his stepdad. Later on he kind of contradicts that by saying that he got he was getting slapped and bullied
like when he was a kid. Now I don't know if he's talking about the kids at school or if he was talking about his stepdad, but I know his stepdad was one of the bullies. Gene went to school, graduated at the age of 18. He joined the Air Force when his buddy or his roommate from the Air Force started to slap and bully Gene around. Now all of a sudden these voices started coming out in his head, which I do believe these voices were not just demonic presence
but also schizophrenia. Now what the doctor on the show calls it, she calls it schizoaffective disorder. And for me, to be honest with you guys, every time something new comes out, every time that there's a different symptom or a couple of symptoms wrapped together in one, they start calling it different things to put a name to it. For instance, if you're angry, they call it anger. If you're happy, they call it happiness. If you sad, sadness, and so on and so on.
So with these mental issues, they start calling it different names like schizophrenia or schizoaffective or bipolar or depression, things like that. And I'm not trying to take away from that, but I'm just saying that these are names that could possibly be a demon or the demon's name, because a lot of these demons like to take the names of murder, hatred, you know, a porn, just like with Ted Bundy.
And what these demons do is they create this scenario that ends up with the psychiatrist trying to define it. And they usually define it in a new term. So for Shannon and the people at the Mayo Hospital, if this doesn't sound right, I apologize. I know you guys are fans, I love you all, and I just thought I'd throw out that shout out to you guys.
But for me, these psychological terms are not the cause, but these are a way to reference what's happening to a person so that other people know what they're talking about. Why can't it be a demon that is either portraying himself as these symptoms or it's a demon that these psychological doctors actually named? Let's continue. So Gene was after when he was in the Air Force and, and this guy was bullying him. The, the, the voices came out and started telling them to make this guy pay.
And so he grabbed an iron and he was about to strike this guy and kill him, but he resisted. OK, so this is Gene, 18 years old, resisting the voices that are shouting at him to get revenge, to take, you know, to to not let them bully him anymore. But he did resist and he started to travel the the country. And this was the kind of guy that would go around, pick up a job and then quit and pick up a job and get fired or pick up a job and then just keep moving.
He wasn't one to stay in one place. Now, the way Gene defines it is that he was trying to get away from the voices in his head. My question is this, if he was trying to get away from the voices, he said that the voices would catch up to him. Does that mean at certain points in his life he lost the voices? Because think about this.
If you're mentally sick, if you're, if you, let's let's put it this way, if you have a flu, you can't drive 100 miles down the road and get rid of the flu and then it's going to come back to you. This mental issue was something that he said was following them. So for me, that could be a demon. Now, it doesn't make it that he's possessed, or at least not yet, but let's continue. So later on in life, in his 40s, Gene was 48 years old and he was living with a woman, an elderly woman.
And he hadn't, supposedly he hadn't killed anybody or anything. But when he was living in Great Falls, Mt, there was a woman that ended up dead at a laundromat. Now she was choked to death. Then about a month later or a week later, something along those lines. They never said that Gene killed this woman, but there's a lot of belief that it was him. So later on, he is with a girlfriend named Debbie Bailey, and him and Debbie were getting to the point where he wanted to
live with her. He decided that the voices weren't talking to him too much. He started taking pills and then he wanted to move in with Debbie. Well him and Debbie would drink and to start drinking he would stop taking his pills for his mental condition so that way he could drink because you're not supposed to drink with your medications. Now on this part I agree.
His mental stability needed to be controlled by these pills and by him stopping and starting and stopping and starting so that he could have a drink or or drink a lot. It's not a good thing because it gets out of your system, it gets into your system, it's back and forth and it's somebody that takes pills for PTSD and anxiety and depression missing once or twice. It does affect you and might not affect you that day that you miss it, but it might affect you
in a couple of days. So for those of you that do take medications for depression, bipolar, and all these other mental issues, please don't stop taking your medications. You really need to take those. And I, and I'm sorry I'm even throwing that out there, but I'm just saying as a person that takes medications, you really need to do that because if not, it makes you feel so different. But Gene was saying that the medications that he took weren't making him feel like himself.
So he would stop and he would drink and he would be himself. But that's when the voices started coming back. Now how? And let me let me ask this. How is it that the medication stop the voices? But also so did traveling. I don't understand that, but let's continue. So anyway, Jean decided he was going to move in with Bailey and she decided it was OK and they were together and all of a sudden something happened.
The gene got very upset and he started choking Debbie and she started telling them that she loved him and she loved him and why was he doing this and she loved him. And he stopped and he felt really bad about it. And he said that the voices were so loud in his head, but he decided he wasn't going to kill her. He told her to not tell anybody because he was embarrassed by what these voices were telling them to do. And he really did want to move in with her.
And he wanted to have a family with her. I mean, she already had a son. She had a couple of sons. And and, you know, he just wanted to be a part of a family. What ended up happening was she told her friends, told her family and they told her to stay away from them. So Jane gets upset with his with her family and with her sons and with the with the friends. And Jane decides that he's going to go kill her sons and he's going to go kill her two
friends. He's going to go stab the son and he's going to go shoot the two friends that she told. So he drives out to the son's House of Debbie, and he's outside in a violent rage. And he says that all of a sudden he sees a woman sitting there. And this was Rose Torres. She was 51 at the time. And I know I usually don't say who these victims are because I don't want to give these
murderers that power. And I don't want to connect their names to the person that killed them because they do not deserve that. But this woman and I have to tell you, she was an ex guard for a prison, which makes it a little bit of a difference. Now she was sitting outside of the house, just a little bit away from where Jean was yelling and she was smoking a cigarette and he saw her. He walked up to where they started talking.
She kind of calmed him down. He asked her if they wanted to go to a bar and I'm going to let him describe what happened next. Here I was, waving this knife, yelling and screaming for Ed to come out, and then I noticed her. She was sitting to the side against the signpost. Somehow or another, Rose calmed me down. I sat down next to her and started a conversation with her, but in my head the voice was saying she's going to say something, she's a witness, you got to keep her as a witness.
No witnesses, no witnesses. I asked her would you like to stop at the bar and have a couple of trains? She said yes, and I was talking with the voices and they started telling me she was going to be the first one and then we're going to get the rest of them. He resists the voices.
But then she started smoking all my cigarettes like Debbie used to do. Rose takes his last cigarette and then the voices came back to me and they started saying she ain't no different than Debbie. Let's do her in. As we were walking, the voices were turning up the value. They were continuing, getting louder and louder. The voices the same pretty soon came. Pretty soon we started walking down the alley. Voices started telling me this is it. This is where we're going to do it.
Tell her to get undressed. She took her clothes off and folded them and set them beside the dumpster and she laid down and that's when I took out my knife. I said, now this is for you. I stabbed her Here, here, here, here. So now what we have is that she took off her clothes and put them in an in folding order. Now who would do this? Now think about this and This is why I brought up that she was a guard. If she felt threatened, I think she would have fought.
I don't think she would have given in because I don't know of any guard ex or present that would just give in and fold their clothes so that they could get raped. I don't think this was the thing. What I think was because Rose was having a problem with addiction, with drinking, and that's how she lost her job, that's how she lost her family, that's how she was homeless because of this drinking addiction.
I think that a demon took could possibly have taken over, could possibly have manipulated her to sacrifice herself to Jean and that's why she took off her clothes and folded them neatly. Now in this short amount of time you have two murders in this little town of Great Falls, Mt that things like this don't happen. So of course the police are trying to figure out what's going on.
One of the police investigators calls an informant and asks them if he had heard anything about this and from what they got as far as a description of a vehicle. Now, let me tell you this. When he killed this woman Rose, he threw her body into the dumpster and there was blood and all this stuff. So Gene went home and he was fine. He says that the voices in his head stopped. And I'm going to play that for you now. Each time I stabbed her, the
voices were turning down. They were getting dimmer and dimmer, and when I cut her throat, the voices seemed to disappear out completely. Just like she when she was deceased. The voices were gone. But later on the voices told him to go back because he forgot the bag and it had his fingerprints on it. But by the time he he came back, like he said, there was two people there that were witnesses that saw him and they told him, what are you doing? And he said, oh, you know, I'm
looking for my dog. And they said, no, this is a crime scene. The police are coming and Jean goes up to the dumpster and reaches in and they're like, what are you doing? You're messing up the crime scene. They go, the police should have been here already. And so Jean gets kind of scared and goes back into the van and leaves. Now the van has these two white doors and it's a blue van.
So that it's very obvious. So this police detective, like I said, reached out to an informant who comes back a couple of days later and says, hey, there is this guy who drives around in a blue van with white doors, and his name is Gene Meredith. So these people go, the cops go and they go to Gene's house where he's staying, or they actually go to his work first. They go to his work, but he
doesn't work there anymore. And they're trying to play catch up. And one of the detectives sees the van and says, I know whose van this is. It's a picture of the van. He goes, I know whose van this is. He goes, I've had deals with her before. And this was Debbie Bailey, Gene's girlfriend. So they drive over there in a hurry. By this time, Gene and Debbie have already been fighting. And the voices in his head said, you need to kill her and you need to kill her now.
So Jean goes to the kitchen and grabs a knife and comes back. Debbie sees it on his face and knows that she's going to die. She walks out of the trailer home and closes the door and sees the police. They're there at the door. And she says, please don't tell me somebody died last night. And then at this time, Jean walks out, and he's just. OK, and happy and smiling. And the police ask him, hey, can you come down with us to the Police Department?
And can you, you know, recount for where were you at last night? So Jean goes in and he starts doing the interrogate. They start doing the interrogation with them. Well, then Jean doesn't become Jean anymore. What happens is, and this is this is kind of like one of our things that I'm showing or that I'm trying to show you about the demon inside when you get a chance, like I said, you need to look at the video.
You need to look at the the show The killer speaks season 2 episode 1 when they start talking to Gene in the interrogation room. Now, it's bits and pieces, but there's a part where they say that he changes personalities from Gene to anger. This is the name of the thing that's inside of him. The police notice that Gene, throughout this interrogation, he's turning to his right and looking and talking to somebody as if somebody's talking to him
in his ear. If you look at the video at this moment, at that moment, you'll see half of the video turns kind of blackish and then disappears. OK. I don't know if it was a mistake in editing. I don't know if it was the camera. I don't know anything. But I never saw that again. That was the only time that glitch happened was when Jean was turning from from Jean to anger. You have to watch it, it's very important.
So now Jing goes on and talks about his anger, who is inside of him, and I'm going to play that for you in their interrogation. Oh, am I talking to? Am I talking to Gene or him now? It's full of rage. It's full of anger. Easy, easy. It's full of Rangers anger. All right. OK. OK. OK. Come on, come on. OK. What does he tell you to do?
His affect would change that. You knew which person you were talking to. He would look at you, his eyes were piercing, his teeth would jut out, tone of his voice and flexion would change. Gravelly voiced. Just evil persona go. Ahead not. You don't have no. Murder. You had nothing. You had nothing. You can't wrap. You know You can't wrap me. You can't wrap Sandy Black. You don't have nothing. You know I want Jean back. No. I'll give you Jean back when I'm ready.
This anger is like a second character inside of Jean that comes out whenever Jean is feeling scared. And this happens a lot of times with people with multiple personality disorders. Except this one isn't in his head. This one is speaking to him from outside. As Gene says, the psychologist on the show characterizes it as a good personality and bad personality on your shoulder. And that's what Gene says this is. It's a good and bad personality. Couldn't this be the demon inside?
Gene says that for a long time he's had these demons and are he's had these voices telling them to do things. And here's my problem with the whole thing as well as far as diagnosing them with something other than demonic possession or demonic infestation, is that he travels and he gets away from it. He takes medications, he gets away from it. He kills this woman and the voices stop. As a matter of fact, he says
that they are gone completely. For me, Gene has a demonic presence and every now and again this demon will get inside of him because Gene thinks that this is a different persona that is trying to help him and this persona is acting like he's trying to help him, but he's not. This is anger, right, Quote UN quote anger. This is a demon of anger. But yet at the end of the show, the lady the the producer asked him, do you still hear the voices? And he says, yes, I hear the
voices. They're helping me answer these questions. She says, do you still feel like killing? He says no, he has no reason to be angry. Is that because they stopped humiliating them? They stopped punishing him? They stopped? Or is this because the demons just decided shit, there's nothing we can do anymore? It was fun using them, but I'm going to move on because remember, yes, I do believe that he could hear voices in his head or around his head, and he's a mentally disabled person with
schizophrenia. Where you hear voices, where you see things. When this demon got inside of him or got near him, it started focusing his attention and growing in a certain pattern, which was growing. Seeing or hearing good and evil. If you're a kid and you have schizophrenia, you're going to see what you want or what you
know of or what you hear about. So if you see as a kid, let's say you see Ronald McDonald in your head, you're going to see Ronald McDonald. You're going to hear Ronald McDonald as well as whoever else it is now with him at 18, he heard these voices saying, hey, get him, we're doing this for revenge. This guy disrespected you just like. And he says Rose, the victim, she took his last cigarette at the bar when they went to go
drink. That was why he killed her was because she took his last cigarette and it showed disrespect to him, just like his girlfriend Debbie, who would always take his cigarettes. So now I ask you this, OK, Is this demon possession? Is it demon infestation or is it just him being sick and using this as a way to get out? Me personally, I believe that this demon is there. Maybe it would get inside of him when Gene would let it, maybe it didn't. I don't know.
But what I'm saying is that our mind, when we become victims of something, when we're young, our minds become fractured as adults and as an adult, sometimes we cope with things the easiest way we can. We don't take our efforts to go head on. We like other things to solve our problems. Some of us sometimes use different names for us to get away with things so that we could say that wasn't me, that was so and so that was my other personality. The thing is, they're all Gene.
And if this demon was talking to him, remember, he could have resisted. He resisted when he was 18. Why couldn't he resist as a grown man of 48 years old to not kill somebody? He let these things get to him, and now they're at peace. They should be more violent because they're restricted and they're confined. It doesn't make any sense to me that somebody that is schizophrenic or schizoeffective would have all of a sudden decided to calm down and be OK when that anger, when that rage
still be in him. Why would it had calmed down? And we're talking about prison, guys. We're talking about guards that disrespect each other, disrespect the prisoners. We're talking about prisoners that disrespect each other. And he's not angry anymore about it. I think the demon decided I'm done using you, I'll let you have your sickness, and I'm out of here. Thanks for listening, guys. I'll talk to you all next week. Have a good one.
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