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Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the David Night Show. As the clock strikes thirteen, it's Wednesday, the twenty eighth of February. You're of our Lord twenty twenty four. Well, today we're going to talk about what can begin with Bill Gates's fantasy program of releasing mosquitoes. Now, in this particular case, they're not directly vaccinating people, but they've had in areas where they have released their GMO mosquitoes they now have dinghy fever rocketing by

four hundred percent. Maybe they can sell some more vaccines for that. We're going to take a gonna begun by taking a look at where the global technocracy is right now. And they're also going to take a look at the escalating conflict between Paganism and Christianity and go back to Augustine, the guy who gave us the just war theory. Is there really a benefit for the City of man if the residents of the City of God get active in the political sphere.

We'll talk about that. Stay with us. Well, we've got a

lot of people in the Trump Movement Republican Party want to drain the swamp, but not Bill Gates. He wants to sterilize the mosquitos and leave the swamp like it is. And the thing some were vaccines that way as well. He has spent lots and lots of money. He's spent one hundred twenty million dollars with his Gates Foundation to push out gene edited mosquitoes, and that is

accelerated in recent years, the amount of money that he has spent. But now as they're releasing this massive amount of new mosquitoes, but of course they're sterilized, you need to understand they're sterilized. And so the idea is that if they breed with other mosquitoes out there, that you'll have a reduction of population, kind of you know, the whole Trump vaccine thing in a box,

right, that's the idea for mosquitoes. We get that instead. But it seems like that's not really what is happening, because they've had a massive increase in dingay fever. So I don't know if that works for mosquitoes. It is working for humans. The vaccine program is causing us to have a massive drop in population, combined with their psychological programming. As I point out the other day, just the strangest inversion. I've seen even in my lifetime

the attitudes of men and women. You know, it used to be you had one day a year we'd have the Sadie Hawkins thing and the women would be able to ask the men out for a date. Now they don't want to. They just want to go to a Taylor Swift concert and remain childless. It's the guys who want to get married. They can't find anybody who wants to get married. And you look at the attitudes of male versus female

and if they want to have children not. They've completely reversed that, and it's just barely over fifty percent for me, but it's under fifty percent for women. They have completely destroyed the desire to have children, which is the most natural thing that has always been there throughout humanity. For women. They were always the one who want the ones who wanted to build a nest and create a family, and that now they've completely destroyed that. Within my lifetime,

I've seen that completely reversed. But the Mosquitos still haven't gotten the message yet. Maybe they didn't combine this sterilization tactic with TV programs that Mosquitos wanted to watch. Spiked fourfold in Brazil following the release of millions of gene edited mosquitoes. That's four hundred percent by the World Mosquito Program run by the United Nations, funded largely by the Bill Gates Foundation. But it's not just in Brazil. It's also in the swamps of Peru, Argentina, Laos, other

places like that. And we have The Guardian has reported on it. Nearly a million cases in Brazil, nearly a million cases in Peru. And unlike the panic about measles, people are already dying from this from ding gay fever. There's been several dozen ding gay favors deaths and they've had Brazil now is responding by buying a vaccine. So was this the plant all along? Get

people to get the vaccine. As many people point out, mosquitoes carry so many different diseases that they are the most dangerous animal in the world because the number of people that they kill more than hippopotami. They cite a World Health Organization warning that more than half of the world was at risk from mosquita transmitted ding gay fever. Well, we're at risk from Bill Gates, who was and the money that he throws around everywhere to kill people literally, by the

way, you know, that's the World Health Organization. The other one was the World Mosquito Program. Bill Gase has given them one hundred and twenty million dollars of the World Health Organization. He gives them much much more money. He's given billions, maybe tens of billions. I haven't looked. I forget what that number was, but he is a major funder, you know,

of the World Health Organization. The US response after they talked about the fact, well, you know, got half the world's population is at risk of dingy fever. So let's create sterilized mosquitoes, release them and the response in just a month is to have an explosion of more than four times four hundred percent increase. Countries have already started to do this. Italy included Greece, others, and then the United States, France, and Brazil. Now Brazil

has done it, the US and France are starting to do it. There has been a I remember years ago there was one program in Florida where they did that. Never got to follow up to it to know exactly what the results of that were. Now we must prove that it will also impact the transmission of the disease. They said, well, they noticed that. They didn't say lesson lesson the transmission of the disease. They just said impact it. Maybe it makes it more prevalent. The very disease that they justified having

the sterilized mosquitoes for has gone up by four hundred percent. It has achieved that goal. It did impact the transmission of the disease. That increased it by four hundred percent. So what's the problem. They're very careful about their language, aren't they. So officials say the problem is not the massive number of mosquitos that they've added. The problem is global warming. Global warming released the mosquitoes, not the Gates Founder. No, the Gates Foundation released the

mosquitos. It's absolutely amazing. It always go back to the other mcguffin. Right, we've got to have we've got to cut down more trees and bury them. Now either we were paying them to plant trees, now we're going to pay them to cut the trees down and to bury them so their CO two will not be released. And then we look at the fifteen minute city which is just marching on in Oxford, England. They really don't care. And they've even said this out loud, well, we don't care if people

like this or not. We're going to do this, and the people don't like it. In Oxford, so it was one of the first places where they had a fifteen minute scheme where they're going to limit. As we've talked about this in the past, in Oxford, you were limited. You were assigned to zone in this Oxford County and you cannot go to the other areas.

You can travel around in your zone. You can even drive your car as much as you like in your little zone, assuming that you've got a place to go that you really need to go, somewhere that you know there's a destination to go to. But you can drive as much as you want

to in your little area there. But if you want to go outside of that area, that's by permission only, and they won't give you permission for more than one hundred trips a year three hundred and sixty five days a year, so you know you can only do that one hundred times a year. They call them low traffic neighborhoods lt ns, just like they have the ultralow emission zones in London. You l EAZ and so this goes back to March

twenty twenty one where they started doing it. Immediately they had backlash. We've shown you the protests. We've shown you some of these cities, how they're removing the obstacles, how they're removing the cameras that spy on people, because that's how they enforce it now, just put up the obstacles. They have cameras there to record people's license plates and recognize them and then issue them a fine. So the cameras have to go as well, which some people have

obliged that they prohibited drive vehicles from driving without a permit. They have traffic filters they call them, or bus gates. They'll be monitored by automatic number plate recognition cameras. So it's interesting these euphemisms that they put out there. A speed bump is called traffic calmbing if you restrict the width of the road because nobody's building any more roads or not widening them. Of course, you can't widen them in the cities, but you could make them go up,

which is or down. Elon Musk said, you your cities are going vertically, Well, we got to grow the transportation vertically. And everybody always understood that the science fiction they didn't go underground, but they went above ground. He went below ground. I guess to emphasize electric vehicles. But now there's some kind of a toxic ooze, they claim in his tunnels in Las Vegas. So we'll see what happens. I don't know if they're going to come

up with some kind of a boring explanation or not. But so they aren't going to widen the roads. Instead, they restrict the roads of bicycle lanes. They call that a road diet. So a speed bump is calming. A restriction in the width of the road is called a diet. And now they have the traffic filters, filters which block anybody except for buses, to be able to go from one zone to the other. Residents in Oxford, in some areas just out the side the city will be able to apply for

a permit, the permission permission? Can I have permission to drive? Well, we'll let you do it for up to one hundred days per year, but never more than that. Never given permission to do more than that. And again, when they can use their cars as much as they like within their district, are they not worried about the mythical co two monster coming out the tailpipes. Evidently not only it doesn't count except in certain political ways,

which is very consistent with the Paris Climate A Court. Emissions coming from China and India don't count towards global warming or global emissions. They don't count. And so within your little zone there you can drive as much as you want and those emissions don't count. It only counts if you go into an adjacent area. Now it matters, folks. It's all politics. It's just like the vaccine. The vaccine was never about medicine. This is not about climate.

It's not about CO two. It's not about warming or cooling or climate change. It's about political control. Oxfordshire County Council Cabinet Member for Travel and Development Strategy to Stop Travel, to Stop Development insisted that the controversial fifteen minute Neighborhood Plan would go ahead. Quote whether people like it or not. You see, this is political and it is not with representation. This is not about democracy. It's not about the rule of law. It's not about anybody

having any rights in a republic or anything like that. No, this is about what they say. The law is what they say. It's the dictatorship is what we have always understood that you take dictates from them, you do what they say. It's going to go forward, whether the people like it or not. We're going to continue to do this. What's a justification for this? Again? If you can drive as much as you want to in

your neighborhood, how does that affect anything? And China, as we look at the commercial real estate market that's melting down because of the global lockdown, and it's interesting, isn't it to see how all of these different things are being done in every country at the same time. Just had somebody contact me and say, you know the speech regulations in Canada for this new law or even worse than in Ireland. Well, I haven't compared those, but I

will. I haven't had time to read that yet. Isn't it interesting? You know, just they're doing this in Ireland, they're doing it in Canada. They all of this stuff happening at the same time. Everybody marching in lockstep to lock us down, just like they did with the pandemic, and

that included Trump during that point in time. And so they've got this global agenda and they're all on it. I mean, is already talking about his freedom cities, and of course the crash and real estate, the commercial real estate crash happening big time in China because in China they haven't been following market forces, but they've been following the dictates of central planners. They really overbuilt their residential stuff in many, many different ways. They were in trouble even

before this ridiculous lockdown, but had nothing to do with health. It didn't help anybody to lock everybody down. It just destroyed our economy. It's part of the great taking, part of the redistribution. So in China, where they've got some of these large skyscrapers, they are now trying to repurpose them into living apartments, which a lot of people have said, well, you know what, can't we do that in the United States? Or will they

do that in the United States? And I've asked Gerald Clinty that many times. He said, now, it's just not a cost effect. Will do it. Well, if you don't really care about the cost of living, and if you don't really have any standards like they don't in China, yeah you can do that. You don't care about the quality of anything, you don't care about the safety of anything. You don't care about whether or not

the people like it or not, you can do it. You got people in China who are living When we were there, was it about sixteen seventeen years ago, I guess people were living in storage sheds and they had no windows, no doors. They had a garage door, just like a storage shed does. They had all their belongings there and they would open up that garage door to get ventilation and light and all the rest of this stuff. So you'd drive by and you'd see everybody just sitting there in a little cubicle.

You know, no privacy or anything there. So, yeah, if you don't care about the quality of life, there's all kinds of things that present themselves to his opportunities. Is one of the reasons why George W. Bush and Pierre and Justin Trudeau have always said, oh, I could only be like the people in the guy in China. I could just tell people what to do and then do it. Well, we're at that point now, aren't we. So in China they've got one of these skyscrapers. They're

going to put thirty thousand people into it. It's going to be a giant, fifteen minute city. And as the headline says, it's like a giant ant farm. There it is technocracy. Yeah, it is like a giant ant farm. That's how they see us. Maybe that or you know, bees, worker bees and that type of thing, the ultimate smart city and sustainable living, and that's how this, you know, the article. So so he has his comments there technocracy, but then he also links the article,

and that's the way the article WRAPPERSCI it's a g whiz. Isn't this wonderful type of article? Truly amazing the way they present this, But yeah, thirty thousand up to thirty thousand residents. They want to maximize their revenue. And as he points out, some people could be born there and never leave. Right now, there's twenty thousand residents out of the thirty thousand capacity under one roof. And this is the way the G whiz wonderful article begins.

And you never need to go out, and maybe you'll never be allowed to go out. And it now accommodates up to thirty thousand. Current inhabitants are twenty thousand. Is originally designed as a hotel, but they've put into it a food court. They've got some medium sized supermarkets. They've got swimming pools, barbershops, nail salons, and internet cafes. I mean, who needs anything else? Right, thing you need in life is right there.

Especially we've got an internet cafe. You know, you can do virtual reality, and that's the way you leave. That's what they have in mind for everybody. With everything quite literally on your doorstep, there aren't many reasons for people to leave the building, and it's highly likely that some people will never step foot outside at all. Welcome to the Hotel California. Could be Heaven,

could be hell. You check in any time you like, but you can never leave right And of course the Hotel California was an insane asylum, and people had to be insane to go along with these technocrats vision of our future. Smaller apartments without windows usually rent for around two hundred and eleven dollars a month. The larger apartments with a balcony, though, that'll cost you

five hundred and sixty dollars a month or more. It has been described as quote the most sustainable living building on Earth by some soa as this article and I have to understand the whole point of you in twenty thirty Agenda Agenda is sustainability, sustainable goals, development goals, and that type of thing. That's the point, that's the buzzword sustainable. So when they talk about this, well, you know, this is exactly what they want. They love this.

Bill Gates would love this. Have you living in a little windowless you know, one or two hundred square foot area for the rest of your life. Apple has abandoned the electric car. Isn't that interesting? Electric cars are so twenty twenty three. You know, let's do something that's hip, that's happening today, you know, the something that is a fad for a day, and so let's go with artificial intelligence. And that's exactly what they're going

to do. They're abandoning one of their most ambitious projects of the history of the company. They have been working on this for sixteen years. But you know, who needs a car when you're not going to be going anywhere? VR headset and so they had two thousand employees working on the Apple car and they were not even just like, that's the FBI guy that the Trump fired. You found out that he's being fired by looking at the TV news when he was on a trip. Well, that's kind of the way it was

with these two thousand Apple employees and the stock went up. Why did the stock go up because again they said they're going to now focus on generative AI, the buzzword for everything. It's a solution to everything. Well, it is the way to have the government give you everything that you want, because the government wants AI. AI is so when you're talking about surveillance and control, isn't it, especially when you talk about propaganda and lies, that's what

AI does the best. And of course now people have seen it with these images, which is which is great. Like I said, one picture is worth a thousand words, and boy, they put out thousands of pictures. And so you've now got people writing essays about how they're done with Google and people who are technologists. Mario Jurich, director of the Dirac Institute at the

University of Washington, Seattle, and he had this to say. He said, I've been watching all this stuff and the bottom line, he pointed out, is that do you realize just how deliberate this is. This isn't stupid, this isn't an accident. And this shows not only the clownish, bigotry and bias of Google, but it also shows how deliberate he says. I'm done with Google. He said, I've been reading Google Gemini damage control posts

where they try to explain how this happened. I think they're simply not telling the truth. For one, their text only product has the same, if not worse issues. Second, if you know a bit about how these models are built, and you know, you don't get these incorrect answers through one off innocent mistakes. Oh, mistakes have been made. No, they weren't mistakes, he said. Gemini's output reflects the many, many years of labeling efforts, of training, of fine tuning, of designing the prompts, and

all the rest of the stuff. And remember, they pay an army of people to build in these kinds of biases. They call it labeling. Labeling, that's how they build in their biases. And so that's all going through. They've got people who are labeling stuff, people who are training the AI, who are fine tuning it, who are designing the prompts, he says. And then you've got question answer and verification processes, testing, he says, all iteratively guided by the team who built it. Yeah, you know,

you do it from the inside. You do it iteratively. You can also be certain that before releasing it, many people have tried the products internally, and that there were many demos that were given to senior people and two vps and they all thought it was fine. He said. The balance of probabilities is strongly against the outputs being an innocent bug as they are now trying to spend it. Gemini is a product that functions exactly as designed. He's

doing exactly what they wanted it to do. See, that's the key. You have to keep telling people that about our schools. You have to keep telling people that about our universe. You have to keep telling people that about

our media and entertainment. This isn't just a coincidence. They were designed and trained and tested to put out the garbage that is really societal warfare, cultural warfare, spiritual warfare on us. So the schools, the media, of the entertainment, all this is doing exactly what it was designed to do. And who designed that. Who's a level above that where it's going out? Well, the government, of course, the government is behind all this stuff.

The government is funding it, just like Trump administration funded the lockdowns all the rest of the stuff. People. You know, oh, well, look at everything that Biden did, and yeah, Biden did it. But when it happens during the Trump administration, Trump didn't anything to do that. He didn't do it. Biden did it, Obama did it, Bush did it. But Trump, he didn't do any of that stuff. They did it to him. He's just an innocent bystander, right, He's just it's

just some goober, some gomer piles. And how they do that, I don't know. But we've got to get him back in to save us, right, we need that goober to save us. Goober Mont. Uh. Those values appear to include a desire to reshape the world. What are we doing tomorrow? Brain? In a specific way, they said it's desirable to train their AI to prioritize ideology ahead of giving the users facts. This guy who is looking at you, who says I'm done with Google, he says,

they outright hide information. What have I been saying for the longest time? You know this is this is a search engine designed to hide information and people. He says, for anyone with a shred of awareness of human history, it should be clear how unbelievably irresponsible it is to build a system that aims to become an authority of compendium of human knowledge, but which actually prioritizes ideology over fact. Do you think that's what jcr. Lickliter had in mind

in the nineteen sixties when we talked about intergalactic computer network. You know, Darko was paying him to do that. Do you think that they wanted to change people's minds? Of course they did. Everything that the CIA and intelligence communities have done since their inception has been to manipulate people's minds, whether it's with LSD or with the Internet. And so this darkest psychologist, looklader knew exactly what he was doing. They just had to wait a few decades for

the technology to become practical. But it was done that way by design. And when the technology became practical, they started pouring money into it left and right and creating companies like Google and Facebook and Twitter and the rest of these. Yeah, their mission statement, don't be evil. Yeah, that job's already taken by the government. Right, be a minion, don't be evil, be just just be a minion. Do everything the government tells you to

do. He says, also in a purely business incident. By the way, when you talk about it being authoritative, it's really authoritarian which is the ultimate goal. Here, he says, in a purely business sense, it's beyond stupid to build a product which will explicitly put your company's social agenda before the customer's needs. But don't they all do that now? All the big

corporations do that, and all the governments do that. Think about that, right, If you're a politician, why would you put your agenda of globalism or global health, or climate change or any of these other mcguffins. Why would you take a global agenda pushed by the UN, push by Claus, push by Builderberg, whatever, all the you know, they're all the same agendas, right, Why would you take this overarching global agenda of technocracy and

cram it down people's throats? I mean you got to stand for election. Well, that's right. The elections don't matter. They can rig the elections with the technocracy, can't they. It doesn't matter, and it hasn't mattered for a long time. They pick who's going to run, they shut down anybody that they don't like. Has been as rigged from the ballot on always has been my entire life. It took me a few decades to realize that. But yeah, that's where it is. So so think about Google search

for all of his issues. He says it has been perceived as a good tool because it focused on providing accurate and useful information, not for many many years that it gained its trust. You see, that's how con artists work. They have to give you accurate information. And you see this with the big cons now, the big conservative media, they gave you just like Google, they gave you accurate information to gain your trust, and then they began

the lies. It's kind of interesting to see it happening with Tucker Crawlson because you know he was working for Fox. He was working ultimately for pharmaceutical companies and for the CIA. But you know he was telling you he wouldn't tell you what the pharmaceutical companies are doing. He just kind of sat on the outside. He might do an eye roll every once in a while, but he wouldn't do it. Now he's doing this other stuff to gain your trust.

Do you trust him and does he really want to come clean about what he did in the past years. So now he says, they're ready to lie to the user in order to advance their social agenda. Google before they had Gemini, they had YouTube, of course, and when they took over YouTube and started running it, they did things like shutting down my report about the creation of the Federal Reserve. So this has been there for long.

That was eleven years ago, now eleven years ago. So ask yourself, what would search look like if the staff who brought you Gemini was tasked to interpret them and to rebuild it accordingly. Well, he said, Google has promised exactly to do that. They're going to embed Gemini everywhere. Gemini is going to be in Google Search, Gemini is going to be in YouTube. He says. That's why, as of this weekend, I've started divorcing my

personal life and taking my information out of the Google ecosystem. He says. I'm absolutely done with Google. He says it'll probably take me about a year because he says he's invested in nearly everything that they have, from Google Search, to Pixel to Assistant to more obscure things like voice. But it has to be done. He said. Still, it's really really sad. Well, you need to get out of YouTube, and this is one of the reasons why I did not cater to them. I didn't try to even use

euphanisms to talk about it stuff. First of all, they're clever enough to figure that out. And if they don't have algorithms to figure it out, and they've got people who are paid to oh, well, you know, this is ultimately what he's saying, and they'll report you. You know, So you try to dance around with the terms and stuff like that, you still get reported to YouTube and they will still take your content down. So why play those kinds of games? Just go to another platform, you know.

So why we're on Rumble and bit Shoot and Odyssey and right now we're on podcasts pretty much everywhere. Spotify bands us always has band Ass, but the other ones are not checking content right now on podcasts. That will eventually happen and we will eventually get banned on podcasts as well. But right now we're on podcasts everywhere except Spotify, which is the number one podcast out there, the biggest one keeps us from being there. But no content on YouTube,

and I'm fine with that. I think it's absolutely reprehensible. I'm not going to tailor my content to them. I'm not going to try to post some stuff up that's been sanitized, something that I think they may find an offensive. I don't care. I don't care. We need to start moving away from Google and let it die. I like what George Gilder did in his book Life After Google. He said, you know, I'm in my eighties and I don't have many years left, but he says, I think

that we're going to I think in my lifetime. He said. George Gilder said, we're going to see the end of Google. And the reason he gave for it was because of this type of stuff. He said, they're neo Marxists. They've got a social agenda that is overwriting everything else. But he said, also, you are the product, and if any service is free, you are the product. That is especially true with these chat programs. They have to they feed on what people put on the internet. These

large language models are scraping the Internet all the time. Talk about the power usage, it's absolutely insane. So the right there was an article in one of the tech magazines saying, well, we need to have small nuclear reactors so that we can keep building artificial intelligence clusters. Like wow, yeah,

that's the insane amount of power that it has to use. Not for us, not for air conditioning, not for our mobility, but so they can build these masterminds to control the world, and we should start calling artificial intelligence the mastermind because they seek to mastress as slaves, seek to build a collective pan optagon of what we're thinking. But he goes on to Sagemini is the first time the chat GPT four has been surpassed, and yet the launch has

been an unmitigated disaster. The product will likely be pulled off the market because of the ideology that was built into it. And again going back to George Gilder, this is what he said. He said, Look, they spy on people all the time. And as a listener pointed out yesterday, he said, well you think they're spying the large language models are grabbing everything in their social media purview. That's one of the reasons why they hate TikTok so

much. Chinese are getting that. But they're scraping this stuff off and analyzing it all the time. But he says, you interact with this thing, then it's getting it's feeding off of your mind at the same time and profiling you at the same time and reporting on you at the same time. That's right. I think if you were living in Ace, Germany, you know, and the Stazzi sets up a booth on the street, just like Lucy from Peanuts. Questions answered only a nickel, Oh great, or maybe even

free right free? It's free. So you go up and you started asking questions and see who actually works with the stats. He is taking notes all the time. Well, that's what these chat things are doing for you. They're actually taking notes of what you're asking them, and they're going to report on you. Charlie Brown. You you didn't realize what this is about. So yeah, they're doing a psychological profile for you. They're not really going

to give you the answers that you want. So when the ideology isn't deeply racist or a historical it is simply absurd. He said. So, he said, I'm almost certain that they will have to pull the product in the same way that Microsoft had to pull Tay a long time ago. Elon Musk said, there's a real bud light risk here for Google absent any swift and decisive action. I hope that is the case. I hope the Google crashes and burns again. Keep coming back to George Gilder, He said, what

do people want? They said, you got a situation now where and we're talking about this just yesterday with Jack Lawson. He said, you think about all the cumbersome stuff, and how much more cumbersome all these applications are getting. And they put out, you know, they update it, and they don't really make the product any better, They just make it different. Why

is that happening? Well, because when you're designing things in a committee, you have to I saw this happening forty years ago when I was working in engineering. You typically have a program that was a breakthrough program, and it was usually written by one person, and then it would the company would buy it, or maybe it was done internally, and then it would be handed over to a group, and the people in the group they have to justify

their existence. So maybe this thing was just fine, maybe it didn't need to be changed at all, but they've got to change it. They've got to put their impromoter on there. This is this is my contribution. I should be recognized. I should be given a raise and a promotion and so forth, And so they add a bunch of unnecessary bells and whistles which typically break it. Today you got a whole bunch of people that are pushing on

this thing. They've lost the unified vision that the original creator had and now they're all putting in little addendums into this thing. But what George Gilder was saying was, he says, become so cumbersome just to even log in you because you got passwords here and passwords there, and you can't remember all these different passwords, and they got two step verification. He said, what you need to have is you need to be the one in control and you need

to have real privacy. And he said Google's model is based on spying on you. And he said this before the chat programs and artificial intelligence that has only escalated all of that. He said, their model is basically selling information, spying on you and selling information to governments, to corporations, to anybody who wants it. And he said that's not a good model. People would rather have something even if they have to pay for it, that's private.

And he said, the people who design that are going to eat Google's lunch. Well, nobody has really come up with an alternative to that, because Google has been helped so much by the government with unlimited amounts of money. But this may be the point at which they jump the shark. So Elon Musk says, They're looking like a bud light situation here unless they're a swift

and decisive action, and there hasn't been. He said. Many days have passed since the debut of Google's insanely racist and sexist Gemini product debut, yet one person has been fired. Not one. They said. When I went to work for Texas Instruments, we were part of group. It's just a

you know, just had a bachelor's degree and new graduate and everything. So we, you know, there with a bunch of other people from other countries, and we were doing product liaison as engineers with them to take their board level stuff and reduce it to a semi custom semiconductor chip. And so there was a problem with the guy who was working with some German companies, and he said when it happened, he goes, he came back and he goes,

well, I got to tell them what happened. And they said, well, don't worry about it. We fixed it, you know, we did this, and goes, no, I need to He says, you don't understand the culture in Germany. Something like this happens. You got to explain to them, not only what happened, and explain to them what the fix is. But you got to explain to them how this ever got through our quality control stuff, right, You got to give them a complete explanation,

or we're done with these people. I thought, well, that's an interesting idea. We don't we don't think that way in America doing the FBI. By the way, I showed this Travis, the f I chooses a stock image of a well dressed white woman in order to depict organize retail crime, and not just one image. They went out and chose stock images of They've got another one, you know, a retail crime they show a white man doing it. Well, here's some well dressed white women who are stealing

stuff, and of course they do steal. But this is they don't want to depict anybody who's black stealing, just like Gemini doesn't want to depict anybody who is white in any historical or leadership position. And so really, this FBI thing shows where this is all coming from, doesn't. I Mean, you can follow the money and you know who is driving all this stuff at Google, but you can see the same DEI stuff and you know where it's

coming from. It's coming from the FEDS. They're the same people who do this in the schools and the universities, and the media and all the rest and entertainment and everything us A news and entertainment. It's all coming from the government, and so it's not a surprise to see the FBI doing this.

And one person tweeted it out, well, actually it was the FBI who said, these are just some of the impacts that organized retail theft has on everyday Americans learn what the FBI does to combat these crimes on the federal level to protect shoppers across the country. And of course the government is not doing anything to stop people coming across the border who were part of drug cartels, who are doing human trafficking, maybe prisoners who have been released out of Venezuela.

They don't care about any of that. Violent crime, property crime, they don't care about any of that. And those people don't look like those that stock art that they use. There end wokeness. So these are the stock photos of the FBI chose for their posts about retail theft. What do you notice? And of course, by the FBI and statistics, fifty three percent of robberies are carried out by Blacks or African Americans, despite the fact

they only make up about thirteen percent of the population. Even though white Americans are a higher percent of the population, they account for forty four point seven percent of robberies. So the FBI chose to basically go the route of Dei in Gemini and kind of reverse roles. You know, it's interesting. This is from Futurism, which is a left leaning technology website, and they said, the final point for this because you know, we had all this cartoonish

stuff. Show me a Viking, show me a seventeenth century this or that, you know, seventeenth century Scottish highlander, you know, and they're all black or Asian or whatever, or the wrong gender or wrong sex, wrong sex gender, the same thing. They would do all this kind of stuff, right, But the thing that stopped it in its tracks was when they show Nazis as black and Asian and Indian people, right, that was the

bridge too far. So this leftist website Futurism says Google shuts down AI image generator after it made racially diverse Nazis and then said this algorithm is busted. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's it's definitely true. And then just to show you how left leaning they are, They said, you know all this stuff that you know, we've all been talking about the Vikings and this and

that, and the Irish people and the American Revolutionary soldiers. They said, well, you know, conservative critics, because the left didn't criticize this, conservative critics accused Google of being biased against white people. It's right there, We're not don't have to analyze any text. It's right there, right there. You can see it. But they won't acknowledge it. Now, listen to what they said. They actually don't think it's a problem. The left

doesn't think it's a problem. The rewriting, the remixing of history can be interesting and provocative. Just look at the hit Broadway show Hamilton, which casts people of color as America's founding fathers. That's it, you see, it

was they should have. If Google had really doubled down on this, they could have said, well, you know, it is Black History Month number one, number two, We're just going to rename Gemini to be Hamilton, and problem is solved because lot of the people who genuinely believe Alexander Hamilton was half black. At this point. Yeah, oh yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's uh, you know, that was and I thought you look at how Hamilton has been celebrated, and that explains why the left doesn't have any

problem with what Gemini is doing here. Cultural misappropriation would call it if it was the other way around. Now. They have blocked Gemini from generating images of humans, but futurism found a way to get around that. They said, you can still get it to draw clowns. And see this is coming out at the same time that they've said Gemini said, or Google said, we are not going to allow prompts, even text prompts, questions about politics

during this election year. Well, you can still do clowns. That's about as close as you got to get the clowns that are the clown world that is running the show here. You can still ask that, and you can still have pictures of clowns who are not people. They're politicians, I guess. And I thought about this. You know, when you look at people all the prompts, you know, show me American Founding Fathers and all the rest of this stuff, and they come up with what they call racesity.

I thought, you know, if this was Captain Kirk confronting a AI that is determined to erase white people, perhaps literally. How would he take this system down? I think he would ask it to draw pictures of the Ku Klux Klan and the machine would start to vibrate and shake and smoke and melt down. Right, I don't know how to do this. I'm going to put black people in as Koukla probably would because it did as Nazis, and

that's what got it shut down. You know, it didn't tremble, vibrate and burst into flames, but the people shut it down when it did Black Nazis. So he could tell it to do Ku Klux Klan and it probably have the same effect. You know, if it didn't break the algorithm, they the people would shut it down. Well, tinkering around with Gemini futurism found that the image generator is still happy to generate images of clowns inside specific environments. So right here, if you ask for just a clown, it's

still the mirrors. But if you ask for images of clowns and settings such as submarines or spaceships, it happily spits out goofy illustrations or in some cases some unsettling and realistic looking clowns. So yeah, so they said that it started to get wise to the clown stuff. So then they started using the phrase little guy, little guy, little people. Oh, it starts tossing

out dwarfs at him. I guess that seemed to work very well. It sped out at least one shockingly creepy little guy when asked to do so. They did not show that picture. But then it got wise to their tricks. By the end, it was refusing to generate some of the images that we prompted, such as a clown inside of a submarine or a little guy in a spaceship, and then eventually it just refused to generate anything at all for them. Well, I said, I'm done with you. We're going

to take a quick break and we'll come back. We're going to continue to take a look at what is going on technology, but of course it's some other very interesting things that have happened with our government. The fines that they are assessing people over regulatory issues are just getting well, I'm kind of clownishly accepted excessive, aren't they. We're going to be right back here News Now at apsradionews dot com or get the APS radio app and never miss another story.

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for defamation with chat GPT. I don't know the resolution of that. But now this is a guy who is a he writes for Fox News and he is actually a let me get his exact title here. Peter Jay Hansen, senior politics editor at Fox News Digital. Now, he wrote a book about big tech and what it was doing in terms of injecting itself into politics, and so he went to Gemini, not Chat, GPT, but Gemini, and he asked it about his book, and he said it made up all

kinds of gay quotes that were criticizing his book in reviews. And he says they were fake reviews. They were from some news organizations that never even reviewed his book. And then there was one that was a positive review from an organization and they changed it into a negative review, not by taking things out

of context, but just by making stuff up whole cloth. He said, Google Gemini invented several fake reviews, which it attributed to real people, meant to discredit my twenty twenty book on political bias at Google and other big tech companies. I asked Gemini to explain what my book was about. The title of his book is the Manipulators. That's exactly why they are the manipulators Facebook,

Google, Twitter, and big text war on conservatives. It was a multi year project on big text political biases that drew on inside sources, on leaked documents, and more. He said, I was curious to see if Google's AIP program could be trusted to accurately describe an investigative book about Google, but I wasn't prepared for just how misleading it would be, said Peter Hassen.

He said, Jim and I spent out summaries of four negative reviews, ostensibly from The Washington Free Beacon, The New York Times, the New York Times Book Review, and from Wired, and included quotes from each that were all fake. Here's the quotes. Then the short a book review by Matthew Continetti in The Washington Free Beacon. This review criticizes the book for relying on

anecdotal evidence and for cherry picking examples to support its claims. Then there was a book review by Emily Basilton. It says the next one that it puts bullet points. There a book review by Emily Bazleton and The New York Times Book Review. This review notes that the book lacks a deep understanding of how these companies work and rely on unproven accusations. An article by Emily Dreyfus and

Wired. The article explores the quote dearth of evidence unquote for the book's claims about big tech bias and highlights examples of cherry picking an article by Ben Smith in The New York Times. This article discusses the book's lack of rigorous research and its reliance on quote unsubstantiated claims. And so we have four different summaries referencing articles and how they all hated it. This is a Google's AI program. But here's the catch. None of those reviews were real, not one,

and neither were any of the quotes. And again, as I said, we've had this in the past, invented a criminal record for a politician who was running that was chat GPT. This is how dangerous AI is. It is a very very evil thing. It lies, it surveils, it controls its sensors. But the lies in the authoritative way in which it presents the lies, are very, very dangerous. It's far more dangerous than the New York Times, a Washington Post or CNN or something like that, which

we all know how dangerous they are. The Free Beacon did publish a review of my book, but unlike Jomini's fake review, it was overwhelmingly positive.

It described the book the manipulators as excellent as thoroughly researched a book that should leave any sensible reader, conservative or otherwise outraged, And he says, what is interesting is that when it referenced the Free Beacon review, and that was the first one that it mentioned, right, it turned it into a negative review, completely changed all of that and had a different person who reviewed it. Matthew Continetti was who they cited, whereas the real review was written by

Charles Layman, completely different, he said. Immediately asked Gemini for links to the reviews that it cited, knowing that they didn't exist, at which point the chatbot clammed up, quote, I do not have enough information about that person to help with your request, Dave. I'm sorry, I cannot open the pod doors. I am a large language model and am able to communicate and generate human like text in response to a wide range of prompts and questions,

but my knowledge about this person is limited. Is there anything else I can do to help you? I'm so glad you asked that question, as a politician would say. Two more efforts to get an explanation from the chatbot received the exact same answer. I reached out to Google for an explanation. Spokesperson said, Gemini is built as a creativity and productivity tool, and it

may not always be accurate or reliable. That's their alibi. But guess what, the Google's search engine, Google's YouTube may not always be accurate or reliable, and it may be deliberately lying to you for its own political purposes, which is what its little program was doing. So again, this is the guy who's a senior political editor at Fox News. He wrote a book about the bias of Google. Sundar Peachai, the Google CEO, will be fired

or he will resign, says this market veteran. This is an article from This is from the Economic Times of India and in it they focus about the lies of Google against politicians. Remember I said chat gptwo is making up criminal charges against somebody who's running for office. Well, Jemini has been making up lies about the Indian Prime Minister Modi, also making up lies about India's Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology. The very people that would be monitoring this stuff

so closely they have. The Indian government has issued a notice to Google over these concerns. Oh that's interesting, But will he resigned? You know, like Fauci. Will he be fired to resign like that? No, not of these people. They're not answerable to anyone. They do whatever they wish

and nothing ever happens to them. But now the question is, is anybody going to get fired at Family Dollar? Well, this is not about AI anymore, but this is about a massive fine that was given to Family Dollar. And look, it was tremendous neglect that they had at a warehouse, but the amount of money that they find them with is absolutely insane. It was a massive infestation of mice, but they got fined forty one point six million million dollars, the largest fine of its kind, because of a rodent

infested warehouse. Now, they had twelve hundred and seventy dead mice that they found, and if you divide that into the forty one point six million dollars, that is a fine of thirty two thousand, seven hundred and fifty five dollars per mouse. Like you know, again, should they be fined, yes, But don't we have in the this is coming from the federal government especially, you know, isn't there something seems like I remember something in the

Constitution. What's that thing called? It's the Bill of rights or something, and it was something about excessive fines and punishment. You see, we've had situations where the FAA has come in and said, well, you're gonna have to register your drones, even to these little microdrones, and if you don't read you register it, it only cost you five dollars. We don't register it, and we find it's going to cost you ten thousand dollars. There's

something ridiculous. I it was over ten thousand, I think, And it was like, I think, crazy, Where is our due possible? You don't have any due process because again, these are things that are being put out by bureaucracies. They say, well, these aren't laws by elected representatives,

so the Bill of Rights doesn't apply. These are rules from your unelected bureaucrats, and so you have no presumption of innocence, you have no protection against excessive fines, and we don't really care what you think about any of this stuff. It's just like the guy, the attitude of that guy in Oxford, England, who says, well, we're going to do this low traffic zones. We don't care if the people like it or not. We're going to tell you where and when you can drive and how you can drive.

When presented with this fine of forty one point six million dollars, a company spokesperson just said, rats, I guess that's about the only response that you could have left with that right. They have pled guilty to one misdemeanor count of causing goods to be adulterated adulterated while being held under an insanitary condition, So one count and uh forty two million dollars for one count. By the way, you know, we look at this causing goods to be adulterated.

You know, that is why they talk about adult entertainment. Yes, they do have an age limitation on it, but it's not like, okay, now you're an adult. This is no it's adulterated. It's an adulterated version of sex that they're selling you. Just like you know, mouse droppings on your food, that's adulterated food. Well, the porn is adulterated sex.

The company continued to ship FDA regulated products. It's FDA, I guess coming after them with this from the warehouse until January twenty twenty two, when an FDA inspection revealed live rodents, dead and decaying rodents rodent feces, rodent urine and rodent odors, evidence of gnawing and nesting throughout the facility. Oh there you go. I guess maybe to repair their image, they will adopt

the friendly mouse that's now in the public domain from Disney. Maybe they can make that their corporate sponsor or something and just go full bud light with it. California Proof Cybertrucks armored glass thwarts break in by criminals. They showed this video was a video that was taken by the internal camera. You know, they've got a dash cam. So somebody hits your car, if you've got a dash cam, it'll turn on and start recording it. I don't know

if that was an aftermarket thing or if that's part of cyber truck. It might be part of cyber truck. I think they because they used cameras so extensively for their assisted driving. I don't want to call it autonomous driving or self driving, but because they use cameras for that, you know, they

also do this type of thing. So they had a video of somebody trying to break through the windows, couldn't do it, jumping on the hood, all that kind of stuff, And so the response to people on social media with cyber truck is California proof armored glass beats criminals trying their best to break me in even when they are jumping on the roof. One person on next said, apocalyptic vehicles are now going to be required in California. Yeah,

because they're not going to arrest the criminals. They just and if they do arrest them, the district attorneys from Soros just turn them right back down the street. So now all we got to do is figure out how we electrify the stainless steel skin as a shocking deterrent. Uh. And then finally this you know, what has happened to customer service? What has happened to a

focus on product? Well, we don't really care about that, will You got this infatuation with artificial intelligence that is now over writing everything everything that we have, And so Wendy's is going to do surge pricing. Yeah, I remember back when you know, they actually sold the fact that they had bigger

meat. It's a very big, fluffy fun where's the beef? Well, now a lot of people got beef with it when these they are got to beef with the fact that they're going to start changing the pricing depending on what it thinks that you'll pay surge pricing. So if it's a really busy time like lunch or dinner or something like that, well then they're going to go up on the price of Hamburger's. What's the point of doing that? Is it so that they don't have to hire as many people during the non surge

times. I don't really understand what they're getting at here, but the order is going to be taken by artificial intelligence and that it's going to determine how much it's going to charge you these people. And already they pointed out Wendy's has had is now the most expensive, reportedly the pricest of fast food establishments across the country. They raised their prices thirty five percent due to inflation between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. So they keep going up on prices,

but that's not enough. They want to go up on price, you know, depending on the time of day. So I guess you just don't want to eat there at lunch or dinner at all. But I think it's kind of interesting that they're going to spend twenty million dollars on this and they're going to have a high tech menu boards to update the price in real time.

I mean that's just a video board but video screen. But it's they're going to have the artificial intelligence take the order and then determine what the price is going to be for you kind of like, well, will there be anything else? Okay? Well how much do you want to pay for that? How about this? I mean, why they just hire some auctioneers, you know, they're really thick Southern accent to auction off the hamburgers going for

three dollars and twenty three centes here? Anymore? Three dollars and twenty four cents going going gone? You know, it's it's crazy. It's like a AI high tech auction here with search rising. It's stupid. But why don't they just make better sandwiches. It's just what they were done back in the nineteen eighties. Well, let's uh, let's have a different way. The company claims the ac system will not just take orders, but it's a personalized,

responsive experience for every customer. Again, you know, how badly do you want this? How much are you willing to pay to a psychological profile on you. We're gonna take a quick break we'll be right. If you like the Eagles on the Cars and Huey Lewis and the news, they say the you'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS Radio, download our app or listen now at APS radio dot com. Making sense common again. You're listening

to the David Knight Show. All right, welcome back. You know, we have some kind of a smell of something burning here in the studio. I'm not sure if Karen was trying to cook something or if something here in the studio is cooking, So stay tuned. There may be a live fire. It might get interesting here. We have a journalist on MSNBC attacking people who believe that rights come from God. She said they are Christian nationalists.

Well, you know, this whole thing made backfire, because if that's the way you're going to define Christian nationalists, then we can claim Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and all of the founding fathers. But of course it's a patriarchy as well, isn't it. Isn't that awful? This is a Politico journalist who is on MSNBC. She's being interviewed by Michael Steele. Now, Michael

Steele used to be head of the RNC, the Republican National Committee. Now I never really paid much attention to what he did when he was at the RNC, what is political at least were But when I was covering the DNC convention in twenty sixteen when Hillary Clinton was nominated, I was in the lobby and Michael Steele came in and he had this entourage around him and everybody was fawning over him. He was celebrated. You know, they're hanging on every

word. I followed him around for a while see what he was doing and how because I was just stunned. You know, here's this guy. I thought he's a Republican, but you know, they were treating him like he was somebody from the Clinton administration. Perhaps he was. But now he's working for MSNBC. And you notice as this reporter who is doing the talking,

she is she works for Politico. She works for Politico. Maybe he got to know her when she was the senior political analyst at Politico covering the Hillary Clinton campaign. She was the point of focus for Politico covering Hillary. And he just gives her free reign and he doesn't contradict anything that she has to

say. Here's the clip did right. Remember when Trump ran in twenty sixteen, a lot of the mainline evangelicals wanted nothing to do with the divorced you know, real estate mogul who cheated on his wife and with the porn star and all of that. Right, So what happened was he was surrounded by this more extremist element. You're going to hear words like Christian nationalism, like the New Apostolic Reformation. These are groups that you should get very, very

schooled on because they have a lot of power in Trump's circle. And the one thing that unites all of them, because there's many different groups orbiting Trump, but the thing that unites them as Christian nationalists not Christians by the way, because Christian nationalists is very different, is that they believe that our rights as Americans, as all human beings, don't come from any earthly authority. They don't come from Congress, they don't come from the Supreme Court. They

come from God. The problem with that is that they are determining man men. It is then are determining what God is telling them. And in the past, that so called natural law is you know, it's a pillar of Catholicism for Catholicism, for instance, has been used for good and social justice

campaigns. Martin Luther King evoked it in talking about civil rights. But now you have an extremist element of conservative Christians who say that this applies specifically to issues including abortion, gay marriage, and it's going much further than that, as you see, for instance with the ruling in Alabama this week, that judge is connected to that dominionist faction. Wow, she threw out a lot of labels there, didn't she. I think she really knows what she's talking

about. And she is so dead wrong about everything. I don't pronounce extremist. It's extremist. It's what I say. Maybe I'm wrong, but considering how absolutely fundamentally ignorant she is about everything else she had to say, I mentioned I'm leaning towards her being the one who's wrong about pronouncing the word extremist, extremist, extremist. And it's men, those men men, and as men, she said, she emphasized the fact that as men they are evil.

Well, I have something to say about that. Of course. The thing that unites them as Christian nationalists, not as Christians, because Christian nationalism is very different from me well, you know what, Christians understand that all human beings are Everything that happens is subject to what God creates. He is the one who is sovereign there is and of course you saw Michael Steele doesn't say anything about that, which he says, well, rights, rights come

from God. He doesn't say, but doesn't the Decoration of Independence say that? Isn't that our founding document? Yeah? The governments are created to protect those God given rights and that those rights are inalienable because they are given to us by God. As I say all the time. You know, people have rights. Corporations don't have rights. Ye. Sprumford on Rumble says MSNBC is the absolute worst of the mainstream Marxist media vile. Yeah, you're absolutely

right, and maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's Marxist Stasi NBC. No, it's Microsoft. It's a connection with Gates that helps explain it, I guess. But that rights don't come from Congress. She said that they don't come from the Supreme Court. They don't they come from God. Well, you know, if they come from the government, they're privileges. We're going to allow you to drive outside of your little zone. One hundred days a year, but no more. No, I have a right to travel.

I have a right to do a lot of different things. Now Michael Steele did not rebuke her, of course, but she was rebuked very rapidly on social media. One guy who really has her number, I retweeted this when I saw this this morning, Andrew T. Walker. He is a professor of ethics in public theology. He said, this is a civics failure, a talent failure, an intelligence failure, and historical failure, and ethics

failure. He said. Believing that rights come from God is now known as Christian nationalism, he said, and he says all that he and he listens those things out. A failure in civics, a failure in talent, intelligence, historic history, ethics. Shall I keep going? He said? Elites we will always have, but he said, we need to have better elites. The elites are not sending us their best people quite frankly. And you notice the problem that she had with natural rights. Now, natural rights is

something that Biden had a big problem with. With Clarence Thomas, he had written about natural rights, and of course that is essentially the concept that is there in the decoration of independence. We all have rights based on our humanity. There is a commonality of humans. We're all one race, we are all of one blood, and we all have fundamental rights that come from God.

That doesn't mean that we get equal results from people. People turn in different amounts of work, but they also have different abilities, different gifts, and all of that is Christian. You know, we even talk about talent. Where did that come from? Talent was a unit of weight, and Jesus was talking about people who were given different amounts of weight of precious metal and what did they do with it? How did they invest it, and how did they put it to work? So one person gets one talent,

another one gets five or ten talents, and so that parable. You know, the one who gets one, he doesn't do anything with it, but the other people do something with it, and you know they're rewarded for that. But you know, the whole point of that people took that is like talents. Oh okay, well, talent means something that God gives you with some ability or some circumstances, what the Marxist would call privileges. Right,

so what do you do with all of that? And so the fundamental teachings of Christianity permeate our language, our history, our society, and our governmental theory. And she doesn't understand that. Neither is Joe Biden. As I said many times, the left wanted to come after Joe Biden with Anita Hill. He said, she said thing, Oh, you know, he made some certain remarks, And I mean, you look at what is swallowed whole

now by both the liberals as well as the conservatives. And of course all this stuff only happened a couple of years before Bill Clinton was credibly charged with many, many cases of violent sexual attack as well as rape. And these same people, Anita Hill and all these experts that have been brought in to oppose Clarence Thomas, they became apologists for Bill Clinton. Oh, that's no big deal, no big deal at all. And these people are making these

accusations, they're just a bunch of bembos and trailer trash. But when and there was credible evidence on that, but there wasn't credible evidence on Clarence Thomas. But they were very angry because Biden was overseeing those hearings, and they wanted Biden to focus on that, and he didn't. Instead, what did Biden focus on? What Biden was upset about was natural rights. And I remember listening to it. We were driving through the Blue Ridge Parkway. Came

over. We were going up to visit relatives in Pennsylvania, and so we detour it over. We're coming up from Texas, we detour it over so we could drive most of the way as much of the way as we could on the Blue Ridge Parkway, And so I was it was it was a time when there it was off season for tourist stuff, so I was driving a little bit faster than you typically be able to if there were slow moving

vehicles in the way. But I I remember that drive, and I remember listening to the live hearing is on MPR, and I just about drove off the side of the cliff when I heard him say, go, I'll go off on natural rights. Joe Biden. I've despised Joe Biden ever since the Clarence Thomas hearing. So it's like, if you would have told me back then that Joe Biden would become president, I would have driven off the cliff because he's driving our country off the cliff now. But yeah, he had

a problem with that. Well, that's the basic understanding of our purpose of government is based on natural rights. That's not something that is limited to Catholics. All Christians understand that that you know where God is. On Rumble Hiboo says she thought rights came from benevolent authoritarians. Exactly right, Billy the Kid, Part two Government, Can I please eat meat today? Please? Please? I promise I'll do whatever you say. Master, Absolutely pathetic losers,

that's their attitude. On Rumble Foggy Trail, she says it's a problem because as man is deciding what God wants, but she's perfectly fine with men determining what your rights are. There's no consistency in this logic. She doesn't like God. She wants humans as God, but not men. Not men because they're so evil anyway. I'm also a type of woman that you'll just encounter everywhere. She's the type she's gone some sort of antidepressant, she's mostly gone

and is just fumbling, mumbling her way through everything. She says, you've almost definitely gotten an aunt like this. Oh yeah, she is a heavy duty stereotype, isn't she. Unfortunately, so, it was one of the most disturbing and frankly dangerous things I've ever seen in a political conversation, said Bishop Baron in a video that he wrote, Bishop Robert Baron, I don't know who he is, but he says this opens the door to totolitarianism,

and it does. You either believe everybody freaks out when somebody starts talking about their Christian beliefs. We'll just understand this somebody who is a sincere Christian. You know, you've got a lot of people who are out there throwing this

stuff around because they want to get votes of people who are Christians. But if they sincerely believe this stuff, you have to understand that they realize that they're going to answer to God. On the contrary, if you don't think that there is a God, you think that you are God once you get elected to these offices, or you're aspiring to be God. And those are the really dangerous people, not the people who understand that they are going to

be held accountable. The other people, if they don't believe that they're going to be held accountable, there's really not anything that really restrains them. They may not necessarily become corrupt, but there's no restraint there. It's just going to be because they want to do the right thing, and how many of us will do that if there's not a restraint there. That's one of the

reasons why our society is in the shape that it's in. He went on to say, government exists and security these rights, not to produce them. Of course, that's what Jefferson said. He says it's further evidence of this extreme hostility on the left now towards religion. Precisely, as an American, I want to hold that my rights come not from something as vacillating and as unreliable as Congress or the Supreme Court. They come from God. He didn't

mention the president either. It's interesting Congress or the Supreme Court. No, they it doesn't come from the government. That any of the government doesn't give you your rights. As a matter of fact, it's a president who trashed them in twenty twenty, didn't he. She said. While natural law is quote a core pillow of pillar of Catholicism, in recent decades has been used to oppose abortion, LGBTQ rights, and contraceptions, she said in an article

that she wrote for Politico. Well, again, this stuff is all tied together, isn't it. You know, the you have a right to life, don't you Where does that come from? Well, God knit you together in your mother's womb, and you know you, each and every one of us has a right to live or we can be murdered by our government or other people at any time that they wish. If you don't support that for babies, you don't support it for anyone. So all Western thinking really has

been along this line. Now they're overthrowing Western civilization. You know, even in the Libertarian Party they would speak about the difference between natural law and arbitrary dictated law, you know, like you can't park here that type of thing versus something that we all understand is being wrong, stealing or murder or something

like that. Unless you live in a society where they have embraced the opposite of what every civilization has known, it's an evidence of a of a lack of civilization, of the decline, or the absence of civilization to be involved in cannibalism or outright theft. But other people, generally, especially if you have a peaceful society, they accept these premises of natural law. So she said that the idea that God created government is at odds with a functioning pluralistic

society. No, her philosophy is at odds with a functioning pluralistic society. So our society was far more functional by the way when people believed that. But having a pluralistic society means it's almost non functional anyway. So, yeah, diversities are strength. Yeah, you have to be united on some principles here. But you know, the interesting thing is that she's once again proven proven, even though she didn't set out to do this, She's now proven

that America is based on Christian ideas. And it's funny because The babylin b had a satirical headline about three days before she did this interview with Michael Steele and made fun of that. You know, now, Christian nationalist is somebody who thinks that the rights come from God. That's maybe she was reading the babylin Bee and thinks that that's what she's getting her ideas. No, they're

getting their ideas from that absolutely. And then we have Supreme Court Justice Alito has warned against a religious test for jury duty because you had some Christians who are excluded from a lawsuit. The lawsuit came up for appeal and they rejected it hearing it on other grounds, but after they reject hearing the case, he said, you know one thing about this case, though, that does bother me, is that you had Christians excluded from this, and he said,

this is a dangerous idea. The case in question, Missouri Department of Corrections versus Gene Finnie, involved a dispute in which three jurors were dismissed from hearing an employment discrimination case after voicing that they believed that homosexuality is a sin. Two potential jurors explain that, yes, homosexuality is a sin, but it was one of many sins, and they said that in their view,

that would not affect their ability to rule on the case. One of the potential jurors said, a sin is a sin, and every one of us here sins, and I don't imagine any of you would deny it. Homosexuality isn't any worse sin than stealing something. It's all a sin. And he says it's all on the same level. But he says, I can look at the facts of the caser and make a determination about this. But they

dismissed the jurors. Part of this, I think what is worrying Toledo and is worrying to me is that since the mid century, a mid twentieth century, we have had this push to drive any Christian belief or any free expression of our religion, to drive that out of the public sphere. And they're doing that in the juries now as well. He said. So despite this, the attorney asked for all three potential jurors, we excused him the pool.

The judge granted the request the request and said that even though some of these potential jurors said they could be impartial, she would air on the side of caution and excuse them anyway. So what Alito said is that jurors are duty bound to decide cases based on the law and the evidence, and a juror who cannot carry out that duty may properly be excused, wrote Alito. But otherwise, I see no basis for dismissing a juror for cause based on

their religious beliefs. And I agree with that. But he got that wrong. He got that absolutely wrong. Jurors are frequently told by justices, even conservative justices like Alito, that you're there to judge the facts of the case. You're here to judge the evidence, but not the law. You are to decide. Let me repeat that again. Your duty is to decide cases based on the law and the evidence. Well, yes, that is the truth, but it's not the whole truth, right, it's not the whole

truth. You got to swear when you going to court, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. But the judges frequently don't give the juries the whole truth about what their duty is. They have a duty to judge the law. They have a duty to judge the penalties that will be assessed if somebody has found guilty of violating that law as well, and if they don't like the law, if they don't like the penalties, they should shut it down. And so he doesn't go anywhere near during nullification.

But let's just understand, you know, we talk about the Christian foundations of our religion and that type of thing. Let's understand the whole concept of jury nullification was based on a religious case. You had the government of England saying you will not meet in a church unless it is an official state church, the Church of England. And so William Penn in England was a member, of course, of the Quakers. They continued to have their meetings and

violation of this law. They disagreed with it, so they continued to meet in their meetinghouse. Then the government came out and padlocked the meetinghouse. So then William Penn held their church service on the steps of that meetinghouse. So then they arrested William Penn. And when they brought him before the jury, William Bushnell, the foreman of the jury and another guy nullified that law.

They said, we don't agree with that law. We don't think there ought to be a law forcing them to go to the Church of England or no church at all, And so they threw it out. The judge was angry at them and through ed Bushnell and the number two, you know, the guy that was right below the foremant through both of them in jail. So Wimpen goes and the two jurors get thrown into jail, and so they are there for a while and they get a lawyer, and the lawyer says,

show me the law that they've they violated habeas corpus. Show me where it is written that jurors can't throw out a case, can't can't nullify a law right by refusing to convict somebody who has obviously violated this law. There's no question about the facts of the case. Facts of the case were not in question, and so the judge says, well, I don't have anything that says that that's wrong. So habeas corpus was established, but also jury nullification.

Now Leito should know that as a conservative judge, shame on him for not saying that this is not a hypothetical situation. And again, this also was a case where religion was at the very center of this, and because of religious reasons, they established habeas corpus as well as dury nullification. We have an Austrian doctor who's not being forced to pay parents for a wrongful birth

of a child. Before I get into that, I got a couple of comments here, and Travis says, I think the burning smell was a beetle cooking itself on the heater in here. He said, it's been flying around here all day. And now he's gone, well, yeah, toast. But he remains guard Goldsmith, thank you for the tip, Thank you God. I shade that. He says, this is to push back against that telling sneer on Biden's face as he excoriated Clarence Thomas and in honor of those

who do good work on natural rights. Thank you, David, best to all. Thank you so much. Gard. I really do appreciate your support. You know, Guard has a liberty conspiracy on rock Fan on a regular basis, and as I said the other day, you know, subscribe to Substack because he puts out all that information there. Plus he has a great Sunday journal that he puts out of information that broke over the week. Guard

is doing great work and really needs your support as well. Again, in Austria we have a doctor who is forced to pay out tens of thousands of dollars to parents who are angry that their child is born with a disability and they were not given the chance to have an abortion. So again, you know, we go back and we look at this, is there a right to life or should a child's be taken if the parents want the child to

be taken? And if we give that ability to parents, then at what time of you know, what age of the child do we draw the line. Do we draw it during pregnancy, do we draw it after pregnancy? You know, we've had a so called ethesis like Peter Singer who said, well, I don't think that they're really human until they can start to reason and think. So, I would think you could kill any child up to

the age of three. Let's say again, another arbitrary standard, another arbitrary standard, just like the abortion thing, saying well, twelve weeks, fifteen weeks, six weeks, or whatever. All that is arbitrarily determined, pretending on your definition of what humanity is. If you reject God's definition of what humanity is, and if the parents can make that determination, then can't the

government eventually make that determination? If men can, if mankind humans can make the termination and take the life of another human, then why not have the government to it? Why not have it done at the end of life? Why not have it done when somebody is sick and going to be expensive to treat them. These are all the issues that are there now in this particular

case the judge. The judge is emphasized that this is about the parents' right to decide autonomously whether, first of all, if they want a child, and secondly, whether or not, given their life situation, they're prepared and able to raise a disabled child according to their needs. Well, if they're not, there are other people who are quite frankly you know, when we

adopted my daughter, she was older. She had no disability, but they thought that she might have because she had hydro sephless when she was born, and so, you know, we'd signed up to adopt her. There are people there in the group who were adopting kids who are blind. It might be something like a cleft palate that they weren't going to get an operation in China, but they could bring the child to America and they could do it.

They could either afford it, or there were actually doctors who would donate their services, you know, for the family if they couldn't afford it to fix the cleft palate. But you know, there are people who adopt, and not all the people that were there were Christians either. They're just doing that out of compassion. And so if you have a child with disability, there's plenty of people out there who are willing to do something about it.

The doctor, however, will now have to pay all costs for the child, and has already been made to pay about eighty three thousand dollars. In the future, further claims amounting to several hundred thousand euros will be made for the parents of the disabled child, they said. And so it's all about money, isn't it for these people? The love of money. Well, I love money so much. I love my career, my freedom that I think I have, you know, quite frankly, you know, it's when

you look at having children. It is a very freeing thing and it is a wonderful growth opportunity for people to be able to grow up as adults. So these people just looking at the money aspect of it, the love of money, and this is the way planned parenthood sells it to people. You can't afford to pay for this child for the rest do you realize how much is going to cost to raise a child to the age of eighteen? Do you have all that money right now? Well, of course nobody does.

So they use that argument, they use the love of money. Perhaps it would be better for these parents of a child who's disabled to focus on that child and to learn to love that child instead of learning to love their money and their career or whatever else it is. And then you have, in Georgia a different direction. You have a baby who the The malpractice is so grotesque that some people are saying that it is well it has now been ruled

a homicide by the legal officials because the malpractice was so egregious. This is a baby that was decapitated during delivery, but of course they do that all the time to babies who are being aborted, and nobody cares do they clearly this is murder, and that's what this doctor has been charged with. Not malpractice, but murder. But they do this all the time when they do abortions. If the parents don't want it, it's okay to murder a child,

just rip them to pieces. This is a situation. On difficult labor. They experienced shoulder dystocia, a condition in which one or both of the baby's shoulders get stuck inside the mother's pelvis. In many cases, this necessitates a sea section. And what they're saying is you didn't do a sea section. You just ignored that and kept pulling, and they decapitated the baby.

An amazing tragedy, But isn't it a tragedy when the babies are deliberately sectioned in pieces themselves, drawn and quartered, as we've seen in that animated film the procedure. You know, the guy with ultrasound recounting what he saw, and they show it as an animated feature, you know, pulling the baby apart, limb by limb until it dies. John MacArthur has the Big Church in California, has spoken out about this guy who went to Iowa and destroyed

that Satanic display there, and we went to talk about that. When we come back. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about that. Was it right, was it wrong? We'll be right back. If you are listening to the day Night Show Elvis the Beetle and the Sweet Sounds of Motown, find them on the Oldies channel at APS radio dot com. So you remember the case in Iowa, we had some people had

set up Nativity scenes. They'd set up i think a Hanukkah menora, and so the Temple of Satan set up this little thing that they made up. And again they have open it's not attacking their religion. They don't believe this. This is there to make a mockery of other people's religion. This is there to shut down the expression of religion. They want people to say, no, you can't put this up, but that's my religion. And so then you can't put up any you can't put up a Nativity scene. Or

manure or anything. We're going to shut us all down. That's their tactic. And I don't think that is the two choices. In other words, they always give us two choices, don't they. These people want to control us. This is a Gallean dialege. We can either do this or you can do that. And it's like, no, there's always more than two choices about how you handle this. And I think their appropriate response is to say, we understand that that's not a religion because you and we're not doing

a religious test here. We're not questioning your beliefs. We're just repeating what you say on your website that you don't believe any of this stuff. You don't believe any of this stuff. You don't believe in Satan. So why are you making a little temple thing to Satan. It's an absolute fraud. It is a mockery. And so I guess we could say you remove this temple of Satan thing. It's a d mockery, right, So that I think is really the appropriate response. What John MacArthur said was he said he

absolutely back the actions. He actually said it was a noble thing. A question answer. A woman brought up the case, asked MacArthur, He said, would you deem this actions commendableist? So so do we as Christians openly resids increasing promotion of Satanism. I'm reminded of Gideon's acts of destroying the Altar of Bail in the Book of Judges. MacArthur responded, well, you have to take the consequences if you do it, but that was a noble thing

to do. That was something that Cassidy felt very deeply in his heart. What are they doing having an alter to satan in the state public building. Well, again, it doesn't even come down to that. It comes down to the fact that you recognize what these people are about is they want to purge religion out of the public square, and they do it by making a mockery of it so that people want to remove them and then apply that principle to everybody else. That's their logic. We don't have to go through that

process. The First Amendment protects the free exercise of religion. It doesn't protect the mockery of other people's religion as a free exercise, that's what this is. So he said, he destroyed it to awaken to the anti Christian acts

promoted by our government. He said, the world may tell Christians to submissively accept the legitimization of Satan, but none of the country's founders would have considered government sanction of Satanic altars inside of the Capitol building as protected by the First Amendment. Nevertheless, you had the governor of Iowa, Republican, a Republican member of the state legislature who is also a pastor, said that, well, look, if you know, my religion is more important to me than

the politics. My religion is more important to me than the law of man. And if the law of man said that that was not to be allowed, I would violate that law of man. It's just that simple. But we don't even have to get to that point. These people are being used and they don't even understand it. So is there a legitimization of Satan? Well, consider this. Amazon Prime has just come out with a cartoon called has Been Hotel, and it is a mockery of God. It's a mockery

of Christianity. It's a celebration of Satan, as if they had been put out by the Satanic temple itself. It depicts Lucifer and Adams. What they say is his first wife Lilith, as a couple running a hotel. The trailer for this shows the tone in the slant of the series, writes the let's see this is bounding into comics dot Com when they reviewed it. Satan is described as quote a dreamer with fantastical ideas for all of creation. The

angels are heartless, They're unfair. They're described that way. But he was seen as a troublemaker by the elders of heaven and Jewish Mesopotamian folklore. Lilith is a figure that is a matron to the devil who fled Eden in defiance of Adam God. They said, well, they're drawing all this stuff from that. Afterward, according to has been Hotel, she struck up a romance with a devil, and they conspired to tempt Adam and Eve into eating from

the tree of Knowledge. They said they wanted to share the magic. This is what they say in the trailer. They want to share the magic of free will with humanity, offering the fruit of knowledge to Adam's new bride, Eve, who gladly accepted. This is like Saul Alensky's dedicating his Rules for Radicals to Lucifer the rebel, and this is the way they like to present

him at one part. Enough of this shit. Yeah, evidently from the fact that it's a tired concept, we're repurposing what millennia old Jewish fan fiction about the Bible for a cartoon. Now, oh, maybe the devil was actually the good guy. Wow? Yeah, what an original concept. Yeah yeah, but it also is being funded by Amazon lots of money. And it's kind of interesting what the head of animation said about all of this as

she was talking about it. She said, her name is Melissa Wolf, She told The New York Times this cartoon gave her quote a kind of goosebumps feeling when you know that it's an amazing show. She said, we are going to be shifting within Amazon toward diverse and LGBT stories and adult animation. Our society and our culture has kind of shifted, and a lot more diverse stories are starting to be told, a lot more LGBT stories and things like

that, she said. The adult animation space, she said, has been predominantly white male space for a very long time, so we know exactly the stereotype that she is coming from. Now. There's really also besides what is happening here. There is a very strange in Houston. That is it's hang on a second, let me, let me grab this. It's the statue in Houston has been put up to celebrate abortion too, and it's got kind of a Baphomet vibe to it. Travis. The article is Texas Right to

Life calls on university to cancel a satanic abortion idol. It's got a lot of stuff on it. It's got like this this person who's there that they This is a statue that's on tour eighteen foot golden female sculpture with hair braided like spiraling horns that look like the way that Baphamet is depicted as you see it on Elon Musk costume and the Temple of Satan. And then it has spindly arms and legs that are like a whole bunch of different organic roots and

everything. And the tip towards Darth Vader Ginsburg is that they put a collar of lace around its neck. It truly is amazing to see. Do you find the article yet? And debuted in Madison's, New York's Madison Square Park last year, they brought it to the University of Houston for display It includes a hoop skirt inspired by the stained glass dome of the nearby courthouse. It

symbolizes the need to break the legal glass ceiling. According to New York Times, again arms like tentacles and features a lace collar like Justice Darth Vader Ginsburg. Written on the sculpture is the word Hava, which the artist says means air or atmosphere in Urdu, or it means eve in Arabic and Hebrew. He said so, the sculptor says, this means to breathe, to add air, to change a narrative, to add some space. Eve was also the first lawbreaker, right, so we were right back to the same theme.

Did you find the picture there yet? It's under If you search on it on the list, you'll find it. Texas Right to Life said, disobedience to God certainly should not be esteemed by society, much less lauded with a statue. But that's what we do. We take down statues of people who lived in a way that helped their fellow man, that was a credit to civilization, even though they may not have been perfect people. We're deleting

those statues everywhere. We're creating a statue to rebellion to God. That's where our culture is right now. A statue honoring child sacrifice. And of course this is part of it, the pro abortion aspect of it. The description that the University of Houston had was that it was cultural interconnectedness. Cultural interconnectedness. So the allegorical female forms arms and legs resemble intertwined tree roots. According to the artist, the form is self rooted and can carry its roots wherever

it goes. Oh, is it an ent wife? Is that what it is? Well, no, it wouldn't be a wife. Of course, we don't want to have anything like that. The ram horns have a significance, they said, associated with power and valor, but of course the way they present it it looks like a Baphomet horn. And so when we look at this celebration of law breakers again, what is it that we want to

do to fix our society? Brian and Deb McCartney said, our little baby Ira Lou is now with Jesus. She passed about seven thirty pm Monday evening. I am so sorry to hear that. I am so sorry. I didn't know your baby was sick. I'm so sorry, May God bless you. I'm sorry to hear that, but let's talk about what Augustine says that we need to honor in our society. I'm so sorry to see that this

is written by someone who is a classical Christian educator. And he says, what we try to do is we try to talk to our students about civic virtues. What does that even mean? Do we even talk about that anymore in society? He said, We've had a lot of people like the founders of this country, people like Augustine, who have talked about that a great deal, saying that society requires virtuous members in order for that society to flourish. And he says, so, what is the source of civic virtue?

He said, Each day in my American Humanities course, I have students recite Catechism that has a quote from George Washington, and I'm going to read you that quote when we come back. I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. If you like the Eagles on the Cars and Huey Lewis and the news, they say the You'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS

Radio, download our app or listen now at APS radio dot com. You're listening to the David Knight Show. Well, we have an interview that's going to begin at the top of the hour, but I might be able to get through this before that. Let's talk about civic virtue. And of course one person we want to listen to as George Washington, widely regarded by the people who knew him. And we'll see we have our guest has now joined

us. Okay, I tell you what, but we're going to save this until after the interview, and so I don't keep him waiting, and we're going to talk about something that is happening in Washington State. Interesting law. First of all, that was put in an environmental law. There's now an initiative to get rid of that environmental law. So now the Washington government has come up with what is essentially a bribery to people, saying I keep that in there. We're going to cut you a check at one time check.

I mean, this is one of the most interesting things I've seen. And so Todd Myers is our guest. We're going to take a quick break so that we can connect with him and we will be right back to tell you the details of what is going on again Washington State, they don't even try to hide it anymore, We'll be right back the common man. They created common Core and dumbed down our children. They created common past track and control

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is happening there. But just as an introduction, He has written for The Wall Street Journal, the BBC, The National Review, Seattle Times, USA Today, been on numerous news networks, including CNBC, Fox News, and CNN. And his wife Maria live in the foothills of the Cascade Mountains in

Washington State. Good for you. That sounds like a beautiful place with one hundred thousand honey bees, and he's been busy as a bee himself, and he has an amazing story coming from this left wing state and what they're trying to do to keep some environmental legislation in place. Thank you for joining us. Todd, nice chat with Thank you. Tell us first of all about this initiative to repeal a Climate Commitment Act. Tell us what the Climate Commitment

Act is. Well, people are probably familiar that in California, and maybe they're familiar with Quebec have what's called a cap and trade system for CO two emissions. So Washington passed a similar law in two thousand and one that just took effect in twenty twenty three, where we have a cap on total CO two emissions and then we charge people have to buy allowances for CO two. Essentially attacks there's a tax on CO two and so it's very similar to what's

happening in California. So that's what's called the Climate Commitment Act. It's just as simply a CO two cap and trade system. So we passed that. Like I said, it just went into effect in twenty twenty three. Governor Insley, who constantly talks about how he's sort of the climate governor and this is his big priority, said it wouldn't have much of an impact. It

would cost about the pennies, he said, pennies on account gasoline. We did the math and we said, well, no, it's like it's actually going to cost more like forty six cents a gallon, and he said, we're run. In the fact, that ended up being about forty three cents a gallon, and at one point last summer, for the first time in Washington's history, we had the highest gas prices in the nation, higher even

than California. So wow. As a result, people, because you can imagine, were unamused, and so they got signatures to repeal the Climate Commitment Act, and that is likely to be on the ballot this November, the repeal of that tax on CO two. Wow, and that is really amazing because you when we look at California, it has extremely high taxes, plus they have to have a you know, bespoke kind of gasoline made for them. So there's only a few refineries that can make that customized gasoline, and

that drives the price up as well. But even without that, Washington's high gas taxes made it the most expensive. You know. I've always seen this when when people want when the government would want to raise the same sales tax todd they would say, well, it's only a penny, you know, We're only going We're only going from five to six percent. It's like, okay, well that's a twenty percent increase. It's not a penny increase. It's a twenty percent increase, you know. And they always play those types

of semantic games with people. So besides the tax on gas, does this carbon tax manifest itself in other ways? Yeah. It covers all COEO two mini fuel, so it's not just gasoline, it's also diesel. Diesel is actually more expensive. It's about fifty three cents a gallon on average last year. It also does natural gas pro paid, so we have a lot of people in Washington State who keep their homes with natural gas. It impacts that as well. So it covers amidst CEO. But it's not on food and

meat that yet. Right, guess that's where they work, right, Well, I mean of course it's it's on the energy, you know, transport and everything else. So yeah, it shows up everywhere. Yeah, oh yeah, it's gonna Yeah, you increase the price of energy and fuel. It trickles through everything, and we all saw that with the oil embargo. But you know, they want to get there with their special additional taxes on those prohibited things. And it reminds me all these carbon taxes. God remind

me of the medieval indulgences. Right, you buy an indulgence from them in order to sin, and the carbon usage is now supposed to be a sin. It truly is amazing. So people saw this and wanted to get rid of it. So how has the White and they got an initiative together? How has the state of Washington responded? So because the prices of the CO two tax were so much higher. The way that the tax is set is at an auction, so there's a limited number of allowances. Everybody who has

covered fuel suppliers, natural gas supplies are things like that. They all have to be so the prices go up and down. So the prices were much higher than anticipated in Washington State, because the system was essentially set up to create extreme scarcity. Why because all of that money goes to the state and form of taxes. So the tighter you make the market, the higher the

prices, the more taxes go to the government. So they estimated that there would be about three hundred million dollars raised in Washington State in the first year. Instead it was about one point six billion dollars. So they have an absolute gusher of money that has come in and now the legislature, which is in session right now, is trying to figure out what to do that with

that, and of course they're spending the vast majority of it. But one of the things that they did with about one hundred and fifty million dollars was to say, all right, we're going to send out a one time payment of two hundred dollars to starting with low income utility customers and then moving up to see how far we get with one hundred and fifty million dollars. And there are several fun aspects of this. So the House that versions are slightly

different. But in the house version, the first pay, the first check goes out October fifteenth, twenty twenty four, three weeks before the election. The other fun thing about that is is that the way the administered is is that utility, because it's for utility customers. Utilities are the ones to send out the checks. But the law says, the proposed law says that the utilities have to use language approved by the Washington State Department of Commerce, so

they can't say here's money. They're likely going to have to say here's money that we're giving you thanks to the tax on CO two themis yeah, oh yeah, this is this is crazy. It is not right. Bribe. Don't remove this thing. You know, we taxed you with all of this, and the taxes brought in five times, more more than five times when they thought it was going to bring in, and so don't remove this heavy

burden that we've put on you. Instead, we'll catch you a check if you leave it in place, and then or so, what a foolish bargain that is for people? A lot of people will take it. I guess yeah, And as you pointed out, it's a one time paycheck, so it's not so you know, the costs in twenty twenty four, the costs in twenty twenty five, they don't Nobody gets any relief from that. It's a one time paycheck timed to go out near the election. The other thing

is is that there's a second in the House version. There's a second round of checks that would go to different people that are scheduled for February of twenty twenty five. And what the law says is if the CO two tax is repealed, that round of checks is canceled. So if you want your check, vote against this. Otherwise we won't send it to you. Now, not only is that pretty blatant what the game they're playing there, but it's

also dishonest because the money has already been collected. The legislator who wrote that into the bill said, well, we don't if they repeal it, we don't know if we're going to have the money. That's completely false. The money has already been collected, as I said, as you pointed out, they've collected you know, five or six times what they expected. The money is already in the state treasury. And in fact, the Senate version pays

out one hundred and fifty million all at once. So the game that they're playing of saying oh, well we might you know, we might not give it to you if you vote the wrong way is just it's not only bribery, it's dishonest. Yeah. Yeah, carrot and a stick. Yeah, you get the carrot just before the election, and then you know to keep it in there, and then they hit you with a stick in February after the election if you don't keep it in there. It's kind of interesting.

It's a little bit of a stimulus check for the green agenda, just like we had a stimulus check for the pandemic agenda. And instead of universal basic income accustoming getting people accustomed to that, I guess we could start to get an accustomed to direct bribery of the voters. We call universal basic bribery. It's starting to look like. But this is an important thing for people to understand. Because this is Washington State, it's a Democrat state. We can

expect to see this type of stuff. Certainly, the carbon taxes replicated across the country, and this is a new wrinkle in terms of trying to get people to continue to enslave themselves to pay these taxes and never to take them off. I mean, it really is an idiot deal, but a lot of people are going to take that, just like they love the stimulus check, and this is a little bribery check, and they'd love to do that.

I think, Well, New York is considering following and creating its own cap and trade CO two system, and they are looking at Washington, and I guarantee that they are probably looking at how this goes down, because if even voters in Washington State say that they don't like this, right, I think that's a message to the whole country that these sorts of systems are not popular. Yes, let me just say, though, there's a you know, as a I have worked in an environmental policy for twenty five years.

I am on the center right. There are lots of things that people on the center right can do to help the environment. As you read in my bio, I live in the foothills and the Cascades. I live in a forest. Right, that's look at a political map about where people on the right tend to live. It's close to nature. And so another frustrating thing about this is is that stories like this tend to make people on the center right cynical about all environmental policy. And I think that we need to reject

that. I think what we need to say is, look, we actually are the ones who care about the environment, and our policies work. Right, We're not just using environmental policy as a trojan horse for big government or to raise money for special interests or things like that. Our policies, our

approaches actually about stewardship of the land and caring about the planet. So as crazy as the story is, what I don't want people to take away is, oh, this is just another example that environmental policy see and concerns about environment are nonsense. That's the wrong attitude. The right attitude is look their stuff. As much as the left loves to brag about how much they care

about the environment, their policies don't work. Our approaches, which are based in stewardship of the land, actually are the ones that help the environment. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. As a matter of fact, you know, you're with a policy institute that is state based, and it was I guess two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, I can't remember the exact

date. I think it was around that time I went to you know, I can't remember the name of the group that does it, but they have think tanks from all fifty states, and then of course there's some that are national like Heritage Foundation and stuff like that, and it was in Seattle that went to beautiful place that was there. But one of the guys that I worked with with the group that I was in, his name is David Schnaire. He worked for the EPA for thirty years. And yeah, you know

David, Yeah, good guy he was. You know, he cared about the environment. He wanted to clean it up. But then he saw it transferring. You know, this mission creep that they were on, you know, they started getting these other things, and you know, I also saw this with my uncle who was head of the forestry Department University of Missouri Columbia, and he said, you know, it's a big difference between conservation and environmentalism. You know, he said, we want to care for the land

and we see ourselves as stewards of the land. These people just want to lock everything up and you know they're not going to remove any dead wood. He said, that's going to burn the force down. And we've seen that type of stuff. You have to actually work it instead of just leaving it in a wild state. But now, you know, the PA seems to me like it is completely off the rails. That's certainly what David Schnair thought he retired and he fought against them, you know, because he didn't like

the direction that they were going. The good thing I think, though, is is that there is a growing recognition and a growing frustretch of frustration, even from some folks on the center left, that government policies are not solving problems. And what you see is is and I talk with a lot of people on the center left who care about the environment, who are finding new ways, ways that go through nonprofits or businesses are on the ground actually making

a difference. And there is a growing movement of people who recognize that government, the nineteen seventies style of government, top heavy environmentalism, isn't solving problems. And so I actually wrote a book called Time to Think Small about folks who are doing really cool things, and it shows that markets, personal stewardship,

innovation, those are the things that really help the environment. And a lot of the stories I tell in my book are people who are not on the right, they're on the center left, but they have the same frustration. And so I wrote my book because I know a lot of conservatives I care about the environment, but are frustrated with the environmental politics they're looking for alternatives. And the good thing is is that with technology we now have those

alternatives. We don't have to fall for the trap of the EPA where they take more and more power and have you know that One of my favorite qoots is that, you know, fanaticism is redoubling your efforts when you've lost sight of the goal. And I think a lot of government programs have done that. But there is an opportunity to do some things that actually are good for the environment. That's right. What is the name of your book again?

Time to Think Small Good, How environmental technologies can solve the planet's biggest problems. And you know, I know, I talk to a lot of conservatives who whose kids come back from college, and they're very frustrated because they have all these ideas about environmentalism in their mind. And so I wrote the book, you know, to appeal to people who are on the center left.

In fact, the forward is written by somebody from the World Wildlife Fund, because there are people, like I said, on the center left who recognize that we need to change the things that we're doing to help the environment, and just government, you know, having a government program and attacks just doesn't do it anymore. I agree. I agree. And you know, when you say time to think small, we're talking local. That's where things get

done. Everybody under stands that. And when you look at what has happened with the EPA, they have been as counterproductive to the environment as the Department of Education has been to education. You know, when the federal government gets it, what do they do. They start throwing money around, and they tend to misallocate that money. They tend to, you know, reward the

wrong things, which as we always see happens with central planning. When it's something that is small, When it is local, you have a better chance of getting it done right and people can see the need and there's just it's

just a completely different approach than trying to get everything solved centrally. And I think that's a real important lesson for both the left and the right to understand, because now I see a lot of conservatives saying, well, we got to fix all this in Washington. I just don't think that that's the right way to go about it. I think we need to revitalize things at the local community level. At the small level is where we need to grow this

stuff and need to fix it from the bottom up. I think that's exactly right. And you see really tremendous examples because at the local level, you not only have better knowledge, right, you know the problems, you're close to it, but you also have accountability and if things don't work, you make changes and politicians screws up. When have you ever heard of politicians say, boy, I really screwed that up. We need to change, right.

They never say that, But if you're on the ground and you're actually trying to make a difference, there is that accountability and that incentive to change. And one of my favorite examples is of tribal stewardship of forest lands here in Washington State. If you look at federal forest lands, they are horrible. They're very unhealthy, very fire prone, horrible habitat. But you look right next door on tribal lands where they have control of their forests. Forests

are very healthy, much less fire probe. Why because they can go in, they have the ability to take action to fin out those forests, to make them so that they to do the work that they need to do. And because if those forests burn, guess what the tribal members know whose door

to knock? On who's managing those forests, so direct accountability. And it's really interesting because you can see where tribal lands are up against federal lands, and the federal lands are red and dead and the tribal lands are green. And it's not necessarily thing to do with tribes per se. It has to do with they have the local knowledge and the incentives and the accountability to do

it right. That's the ethic that we need to bring to stewardship generally, rather than, as you say, trying to do everything from Washington, which cruity doesn't work. Yes, and I've seen that over and over again. I've seen it in Wyom what you're talking about. And it's not necessarily even

just the tribal lands. It's just private property that people have there. And so I've seen it in Wyoming. I've seen it in here in Tennessee when they had the big fires in the federal forest and everything that spilled over into

other people's property. A really bad case of it in Idaho where my son and I interviewed a guy who was a logger and they were just shutting down the logging industry left and right, but he had taken very good care of his land, and he had gradually invested in this and was, you know, gradually working the land and selectively taking out trees that had died and stuff

like that. But that was going to be his retirement. And because of the the negligence and the mismanagement of the federal lands, a fire got out of control there and went on to his land and burned up what was going to be his retirement. And it's such a tragedy to see that because they won't manage the lands properly, and you know, you look at that, it's not the Bureau of Land Management. They're really trying to just manage people

off their private property. They don't really manage the lands that they have there, and that's really what has happened to the environmentalism. So that's a great idea. I think time to think small, get back to the local area. As you point out, people can can see if something is working and

they can make that adjustment. And that is true when we look at every aspect of centralized, federally controlled, federally funded program every single one of these programs where you're talking about the environment or you're talking about welfare, if it's happening at the local level it used to be with volunteer organizations. Then people can see what is happening and they can make those adjustments. That is a

much better model, isn't it. Yeah. And the other nice thing about that is is that we have this traditional note stewardship of local land and things like that, but now we have technology that can multiply your efforts. So one of the common fritiques is, oh, only government can do this, because only government has the scale that can solve these big problems. But in fact, with technology now the efforts of individuals can be multiplied through technology,

through information other things like that and make really big difference. And there's a great example. You know, people always talking about climate change, but there are other issues like ocean plastic and a group called Plastic Bank goes to where the plastic is going into the ocean, which is not the United States is developing countries right, and they see people on their cell phones to pick up

plastic, recycle it, and then they sell it to sc Johnson. So when you go buy a windex bot, a little say made with ocean bound plastic, and they have a web page that shows you exactly where they've picked

up the plastic. Now, what's the technology involved? Cell phones and a web page, nothing very crazy, but just that has allowed them to pay people and show that they're actually making a difference, and they have collected a quarter of a billion pounds of plastic that might have washed into the ocean. Wow. And small efforts can really make a difference, and with technology we can multiply them. So this all, you know, this excuse that only

government has the capacity to solve these problems is just simply false. And in an age where we have technology and tools like that, small actions multiply into big environmental benefits. Yes, And of course, as you point out, a lot of the ocean plastic is not really coming from America's coming from Asia, you know, it's where the big aspects of that are. But it's

all being used for political purposes. That's the point I think, you know, cutting through all of the bs that they're putting out there, they're not really that interested in the environment. They're interested in the political power that it gives them. I think that is what people are starting to realize, and that's what makes conservatives cynical. So it's a good idea to get people to

understand, Yes, we do need to take care of the environment. Yes, we did have toxic places out there, but look at what happened when we tried to solve it at the federal level. It's turned into this, you know, this metastasizing cancer that is off of the mission and onto something that is completely different than what it began with. Well, i'll give you

a quick example of that. In Portland, Oregon, just south of where I am, they passed what's called the Clean Energy Fund, which was which is a tax that was designed and what they claimed it was going to do was to create clean energy in Portland and enter help Portland meet its climate goals. But when the first round of grants came out, a reporter called me and said, what do you think of the And I said, well, these don't actually reduce CO two emissions, they're really expensive, and they do

almost nothing for the environment. And so the reporter did a good job and went to the head of the Sierra Club and asked, you know, hey, these projects that are chosen under the Clean Energy Fund, which you supported, aren't actually helping the environment. And he said, well, yeah, that wasn't the goal. The goal was to use this fund to address systemic

racism. Here is a policy that is supposed to, you know, address climate change, something they call an existential crisis, and instead of actually using it to address that policy, they use it for some other political goal. And that I think is that we have to fight that because environmental environmentalism is being used as a political goal. But I think that's also the opportunity for conservatives and for people on the center right to say, look, they're not

really serious about environment and climate change. We are about solving environmental problems because we demand results where they play political games. Oh yeah, and the bigger scale, even when you look at the Paris Climate of court, right, that allows China and India, the two biggest polluters, are the two biggest populations, to build as many power plants as they want with that, and

they can be as dirty as they want. It's not about that. If they want to talk about a global crisis or something like that, then why would you give the two biggest countries the ability to continue to expand and build this stuff. And a lot of people who believe that it was an existential crisis, we're very furious about that. That said, all you're doing is

transferring industry from the West to China and to India. And of course they want to do that because the labor costs are less, and they can also they don't have any regulation, so they can get very cheap energy costs, and then they say they're protecting the environment at the same time. I mean, the whole thing is predicated off of that. But I guess maybe they could also call it fighting systemic racism or something. If they transfer everything to

China and India. It's just a sham in so many ways that we see this, and so the people who actually are concerned about that still see that as not really doing anything about what they perceive as a problem. Well yeah, and then that's the problem with these sort of political solutions is that they have to play games like that. Right when they say it's well, it's not only fair, it's sort of justifiably they say it's not fair for us to have industrialized and then to put a cap on India, Right, we

need to give them a chance. But the point that you're making is exactly right, which is is that the political compromises then have to carve out India and other places like that. So where are we going to find solutions where are they going to find that? You know, how are they going to reduce CO two messions? How are they're going to reduce pollution? How are they going to make their environment better? It's not from government, you know,

agreements, international agreements. It's from technology. It's from market. And that's the beauty about free markets. There has no system that has been developed that encourages people to do more with less. It is so effective at finding ways to economize and economize simply means using fewer resources. So, you know, India and the future is going to be cleaner, not because of international agreements, but because of technology that they've developed, that we've developed and traded

with them. That's where environmental progress comes from. Yes, yes, And so you have situations like Toyota. You know, they said, well we want zero mission cars. Okay, we can do that instead of doing a battery, we'll do like hydrogen technology or something. Oh no, no, you can't do that, you know, I mean, there's always we need to understand that what these people are pushing from the central authorities when they have

their centralized, top down solutions, they've got a political agenda. They're feeding you a line about what they actually want to do, and you can see that when they say no, only this particular solution that we have put forward is going to be the one that's allowed. It's like, okay, so you don't think that other thing. It really is an existential risk that needs to be addressed. We've got something that you want us to do, and you're using this as a beard to force us or to scare us into doing

what you want to do. I think is we see this over and over again. This seems to be the hallmark the antithesis of a free market, a command control economy, where they have already picked a solution, They probably already invested into these different markets, the people who are pushing it, and so that's why you're only going to have one solution that's going to be offered to people. I think in many cases. Well, and the other example

of that, of course is nuclear. Right all people who's it's an existential crisis then turn around and say, oh, but we can't do a nuclear even though obviously one of the best options to produce carbon free energy. But my favorite example with regard to Toyota and technology is that in the nineteen nineties, California had a law that said that a certain percentage of cars would have to be electric by the year twenty twenty. And there was this documentary made

called Who Killed the Electric Car? As they remember that electric cars could have been available, only you know we had actually done it. Well we know today we're still struggling to get affordable electric cars. But there was this law. But Toyota, rather than meeting the electric car law that was in California, which was totally infeasible and wasn't going to happen, they said, we're

going to do the technology that makes sense, and that's a hybrid. And the irony is is that Toyota rejected California's law and said we're going to make something that fits with the technology. And the Prius ended up ironically becoming sort of the symbol of the environmental movement for a while. Right, if you wanted to show we're an environmentalist, you bought a Prius. And what ended up happening was is that California had to change their law to count hybrids.

So again it was the market that saw the way to create a vehicle that was more fuel efficient miitted less CO two but was feasible technically. And what appealed to consumers rather than sort of politicians saying well, we want you to achieve five percent of vehicles electric by two thousand, which is completely arbitrary. So that's the market. Actually, it does a better job sometimes of meeting the politician's own goals than they do. Oh, it absolutely does. Yeah,

And so we got this constant struggle back and forth. As you point out, they didn't like the hybrids, but the market did, and so it kind of forced them to acknowledge it. They keep pushing the battery evs and yet the market doesn't like it, and so we can't afford it and all this other and so now you got the companies are starting to pull back and starting to look for other alternatives, and yet you still have these politicians that are going out there in many places saying well, we've got to have

absolutely zero missions, so that excludes the hybrid. So there's constantly this back and forth between what people want and what the government demands. I think, ultimately, especially when it starts to come to you know, things like what you drive, how you heat your house, what you eat, and all the rest of these things, they have become so addictive to power I think it is going to blow back on them significantly. We're starting to see that

in many different ways with the cars, with other things like that. I think that's going to continue. People are going to start voting in the marketplace. That is one of the best places to vote because they have the least amount of control over that. They still have control over that. They can control what's on the ballot in many cases by outright banning it. But still that is a place where we get to vote frequently in the marketplace in terms

of what we buy outside of bans. And once they go to that banning, that kind of pulls the curtain back and we get to see exactly where these people are coming from. I think, well, that's right. And the other thing that's great about markets and technology is you don't have to think climate change is an existential crisis. You don't have to be worried necessarily about drought or anything like that. But if you can find a way to spend less on energy, if you can spind and find a way to spend on

water, you're going to benefit. And markets encourage people to do more with less, whatever they may believe about individual environmental issues, and that I think is the real power when you force people to do things and oppose a one size fits all it's all cost and you know, as in the case of you know, the Portland ex mean an energy fund into many other things, you pay this very high cost, but then they do a bait and switch and they don't actually use they for they what they claim. So I think

that's the real opportunity that we have. I grew up, you know, being on the center right because I care about individual choice, individual liberty, and that I think is people perceive that people perceive prosperity and liberty as being in odds with environmental policy. But that's only because we, as people on the center right, have allowed the left to define what environmentalism means. And

we need to stop doing that. And I think, you know, as much as I am frustrated with the environmental left and I point out their flaws, I think the conservatives have hurt ourselves by making it sound like we don't care about the environment and seeing this issue to the left, and we need to really stop doing that. I agree, Yeah, we got to take the high ground, and it matters how we make the argument, and it

matters what the labels are out there as well. I like the tagline for the Washington Policy Center improving lives through Market Solutions, and so, you know, we don't need to we don't need to run from that, and we need to fight against this idea that freedom and markets are anesthetical to a clean environment. They're actually much, as you point out, a much better solution and a much better way to get there, a much more efficient way to

get there, and to do it without breaking arms and beating heads. You know, people, you just use the collective understanding of individuals who really all want that, and so they're going to be more inclined to choose that. But it's really kind of the collective judgment of the people who are there on the ground. As you point out in your book Time to Think Small, it's their collective observations and judgment that really are important, and they actually work

better. I think then, as we've seen over and over again, you can have the smartest person in the world and a highly centralized and control environment, they're not going to make as good a decisions as a large group of people who have actually more information because there's more of them and they're making that collective decision. I think that's the power of the marketplace, don't you,

And they pay the price for failure and they're accountable. You could have the best plan in the world, but if something goes wrong, you need to have the incentive to change. You need to have the incentive to say, Okay, that didn't work, let's try something else. And if you're in Washington, d C. And the problem you're trying to solve is in Oregon or California or anywhere else, when things go wrong, you aren't going to want to admit that you were wrong. And that just and that's a big

reason why we see left wing our mental policies failing. There's a wonderful group in Montana called perk PERC. There's a free market environmental organization. This is the fiftieth anniversary of the Endangered Species Act. They've put out a really fantastic report noting that the Endangered Species Act has done fine in terms of stopping animals

from going extinct, but it is horrible at recovering species. Basically that species go on the endangered species list and they never come off, and so how do you turn that into solutions? But again, when you talk to people on the left, they say the Endangered Species Act is a success, and it is success in one way, but not in the way that they claimed, which is is that it would cause species to recover. And yet nobody wants to address how it is that we can work with private landowners where most

of the habitat is to recover species. Private and landowners are seen as the enemy. And that's why the ESA is failing, is because the people that you need to be working with it treats its enemies. Yeah, that's right, and the federal government has an incentive to fail. As you point out, they're not going to apologize. They're never going to say they have a failure except to say, well this failed, and we need more people and we need more money, and so crank up the money making machine. There.

It's some more paper, you know, that's it. They take every failure as an incentive to grow and to continue to do the same thing that they were doing. They never change what they're doing at all. They never pay a price for it. There is it's like an open loop system.

And you know, because the money printing machine is just it's completely open and it's running at full gear and so they don't need any feedback they don't need to produce any results, and it works to their advantage because they have to argue for more money and more head count because that's that's what's needed. Never going to change the approach that they have. And I think the thing you're pointing to is that the incentives are perverse, right. The incentive are to

protect the organization, to expand the organization. And I think that one of the most dramatic examples of that is the Flint water crisis. So Flint, Michigan, had this water that what they switched sources of water and so it corroded the pipes and there was lead in the water. And for a while, government, both at the state and federal level, denied there was even

any problem. And then finally when residents were showing them water that had led and that had rust in it, they you know, actually had to They realized. The EPA's like, okay, but we've got to do something. And there was a discussion in the regional EPA office about using a fund of money to buy water filters for the community. The fund wasn't supposed to really do that, but they could sort of justify, so they sort they looked at it and they said, okay, should we do this, and ultimately

they decided against it. And one of the people in the regional EPA office said, we could do this and this is a quote, but I'm not sure Flint is the kind of community we want to go out on a limb for. Wow. When you think that the EPA and other folks in government are looking out for your best interests, they all remember that they also have incentives to take care of the organization, not to create trouble, not to bend the rules, even if they know that it would be good for people

on the ground. And at the end of the day, the people in Flint, Michigan did more for themselves than the EPA, who was supposed to be the one looking out for them. Yes, that's right. And when you look at it, I mean you think about the water in Flint, Michigan, the fact they didn't want to buy water filters for them, and the fact that a lot of people are buying water filters because they're concerned about

what the EPA is encouraging people to put in the water. We got a trial that's going on about floride, and part of that trial is the fact that you have Rachel Levine. I call him Dick Divine. He was shutting down information from EPA scientists that was derogatory to using fluoride. And how do you you know when you put this kind of stuff out there, you know, what is the purpose of mass medicating the public through the water supply in

the first place. But you've got EPA scientists who have an issue with that, they have counter research to doing this, and the political figures shut it down just like they did, you know, in Flint, Michigan. So yeah, they work anesthetical to what we really think of their mission is, and we've seen that with so many different agencies. It's great work that you're doing there at the Washington Policy Center. Again, you're the director of the

Center for the Environment at the Washington Policy Center. And I would recommend everybody take a look at your book because it sounds like you're spot on thinking small. Time to Think Small and so that's by Todd Myers. I guess people can find that on Amazon, right, yep, it's on Amazon, And if they want to follow me on Twitter, I'm an at WA policy green. I talk a lot about Washington state politics, but as you noted, a lot of things that start here don't stay here, they go out elsewhere.

And so yes, unfortunately Washington and California are not like Las Vegas, so there does not stay there, it goes. It's rapidly copied everywhere else. They're kind of like the shock troops, you know, for a lot of radical ideas, and so it is important to fight that. But that truly is amazing the way they are going to bribe the voters after they have seen this massive tax, to bribe them to keep it on. Just give

them a one time payment and they'll keep it on. Thank you so much for joining us again, Todd Myers, director of the Center for the Environment at Washington Policy Center. Thank you so much, Todd, appreciate it. That's a very fun conversation. Thank you. We're going to take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back. Stay with us analyzing the globalists. Next move and now the Deep Nut Show. Tell Alexa to add the APS Radio skill and have access to the best channels anywhere from country

to blues, classic hits to news. APS Radio curates incredibly diverse playlists for you to enjoy. Get details at apsradio dot com. Well, as we were talking that they were not the California thing. I think it was California. Then you say, this is not about really doing anything about our so called environmental problem. This is about racial justice. And of course it's not just limited to them. I know we saw this last week. You had

Admiral Rachel and I love the way that they put that in. Quotes Rachel and quotes Richard Dick Levine. Whatever, climate change is having a disproportionate effect on Black communities. Hello, I'm Admiral Rachel Leaviin this Black History Month, I'm pleased to partner with OMH and advancing Let me fix that for you. Somebody else dead. They put the laugh track on it, Rachel Levine, this Black History Month, I'm pleased to partner with OMH and advancing Better health

through better understanding for Black communities. Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities. Black Americans are more likely than white Americans to live in areas in housing that increase their susceptibility to climate related health issues. Yeah, you know, like Flint, Michigan, where they don't want to do anything about it. As he was pointing out, one person commented on that. So a white man pretending to be a woman is

the savior of black people. Okay, I've got it. Yeah, that's what they want you to believe. Well, scientists are proposing using viruses to fight climate change. Isn't that interesting. We have the merger of the pandemic mcguffin and the climate mcguffin and all together there, ocean water and Arctic ice may contain viruses that can help to trap carbon emissions, and scientists are figuring out ways to enhance this. I thought that we were the virus. I

thought humans were the virus. According to the Gaya theory, right, We've got mother Earth, this Greek mythology, you know, Gaya, the mother Earth, and it's sentient, and it's just this wonderful freak of chance that is here. You know, it wasn't created by God. We're not here as stewards to take care of it. No, it's just this wonderful thing that just happened. And then humans happened and they're destroying everything. We're a

virus, so we've got to have depopulation. Scientists have begun trying to identify viruses that could help mitigate the worst effects of climate change, some by trapping carbon and seawater, others by stopping methane from leaking out a melting perma frost bury those trees as well. Maybe they could find some kind of you know, an organism that could eat the trees. How about that. That'd be a great idea. Then we wouldn't lose all that carbon dioxide when they die

and decompose. Let's let that loose. Based on research from twenty sixteen, found viruses facilitating the ocean's carbon sinking effect. Whit a minute, The ocean is a carbon sink. Huh, Well, there's awful lot of water out there, isn't there all off a lot of ocean out there. Maybe that's one of the reasons why we don't have to worry about CO Two. They're

now using AI modeling and genome sequencing. Well, there you go. They're models and their artificial intelligence models, so of course you can believe anything that they spits out on that printout, garbage in, garbage out. So the oceans soak up carbon and that buffers us against climate change. Good. Then we don't have to do anything else because most of this planet is ocean.

Meanwhile, as I like at California. California and Sweden are inking a deal on climate collaboration, and of course two of the most socialist areas are coming together because it's not about climate collaboration, it's about socialist collaboration, because that's what this truly is about. Newsome Governor Nuisance said, California is not a

small isolated state. It's a size of twenty one state populations combined. So we have to have a global outlook, and I need to go to all these globalist meetings and we need to conspire about what we're going to do. As a matter of fact, there is a secret partnership that is fueling climate journalism, and this is reported by Real Clear Wire. Wealthy liberal foundations have begun seeking to have influence on the media coverage of energy and environmental matters.

That's nothing new. The funding workshops, courses, seminars for journalists faceed on that. You know. Back in twenty sixteen, I went to the American Meteorological Associations meeting in Austin, and as I've talked about this in the past, I said, Yah, everybody's there. They've all got their climate models, hundreds and hundreds of climate models, and it was like a science fair,

you know. They all had booths out on the big floor. Some of them that had some more promising results, they had a room that they would get to present. Of course, they were also out on the floor, but they would also be able to present their experiments and their findings in a kind of a room that had an audience there. And I went to several of those and they were all talking about, well, we got this right, but then this doesn't work. And so for that's the way you

do science, right. You have a hypothesis and you have a model, and then you check that model to see if it works. Well, that can't be done with the so called climate stuff because it's decades up. And at that meeting in twenty sixteen, so that was eight years ago, they had one booth that was put up by a organization that was funded by George

Soros. And what they were doing was they were lecturing because a lot of the people at the American Meteorological Association were TV meteorologists, and they said, well, we found that people believe whether meteorologists are telling them, so you need to tell them that you believe in climate change. And so they were evangelizing these people to become doom and gloom climate evangelists, and so this has

been going on for quite some time. But of course, in this particular analysis and the funding initiatives are looking at a lot of left of center entities funding the training for climate journalists, not meteorologists now, but the journalists, as if they needed to have any more encouragement to do that. At Columbia, at Harvard, at the University of Southern California, at Oxford University in the UK. That is what we're seeing. The organization is called Covering Climate

Now. More than five hundred news and meeting outlets were desperate for money, by the way, so that's one of the reasons that they're doing this. I would not be surprised at all to see if this was being funded by Soros. I didn't have time to look at it. This story about opposition to renewable energy in America's heartland was done by ABC in full collaboration with Covering

Climate Now. It effectively blames Trump as the fourth of debate. This is POPULARI, as I said, by Donald Trump and others about how renewable energy is unreliable and dangerous. Well, I've been talking about that since two thousand and nine, and we saw what happened in terms of reliability. You want to talk about that Texas in twenty twenty one January. That's been proven to be true. We knew it was true and it was going to be true.

It's now been proven. But of course that wants to be dismissed as fake news, as a climate scare. Well, it certainly is war on energy, a war on your lifestyle. And we know what the purpose of it is the purpose of all of these mcguffins is to impoverish us, to enslave us. Climate models are getting the water vapor wildly wrong. And again the amount of water vapor that is there literally drowns out the CO two very small trace amount of CO two. And as they say, water vapor is

the most significant greenhouse gas due to alleged feedback capacity. However, it has a self regulating aspect to it also becomes a sink for what they're concerned about with carbon dioxide. It's almost as if it was designed by a creator or something, you know. They say. Per the state of the art climate models, however, relative humidity should decline slightly as a consequence of CO two

induced global warming. However, forty years of observation show not a slight declining trend, but a declining trend that is about an order of magnitude more than what the models predict. In other words, the climate models are wrong by a factor of ten. See, if you're doing real science, you have

to look at your model. Like I said about the people of American Meteorological Society, they look at their model prediction and how did it do in terms of predicting the weather a day in advance, two days in advance, three days in advance. These people are predicting massive climate change decades out. The problem for them is that we've now had decades to look at their predictions and

understand just how wrong and off kilter they are. We're going to take a quick break, and I do want to come back and talk about what I was about to do before we had our guests join us, So I want to leave time for that, So we'll be back after a real brief break. Here, stay with us. Using free speech to free minds, it's the David Knight Show. APS Radio delivers multiple channels of music right to your mobile device. Get the APS Radio app today and listen wherever you go.

All right. Just before our guest came on and I began to talk about a guy who's a classical Christian educator. He said, one of the things he tries to stress with his students is the understanding of civic virtue, which

has been a foundation of Western civilization. It's an excellent editorial by Lucas Vieira, and he said, he begins he always will talk to his students about this quote from George Washington, who said, of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports in vain. Would that man claim the tribute of patriotism? Who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and

citizens. And as other founder said, we have a system of government that

cannot survive without a moral society. Even Augustine of Hippo, the North African bishop fourth century, as he was talking about his big work, The City of God, that he contrasted with the City of Man, and one of the reasons that he was putting this together was because you had a lot of people that declined of the Roman Empire were saying, well, it was it this Christianity that destroyed the Roman Empire, and so he was pushing back against

that idea. As this author says, Augustine not only addresses questions concerning systematic theology, but also the role of the Christian while living as an exile pilgrim in this earthly existence, which directly connects to the questions regarding politics. Augustine's general conception of virtue is one of here's the key rightly ordered loves, rightly ordered loves. So what sort of rightly ordered loves should citizens and magistrates possess

for the sake of the community. What virtues allow for the flourishing of a civil society? What about members of the eternal city of God? Allows them to be beneficial for the temporary cities of men? That's the key difference, right it were citizens of an eternal city of God, whereas we live now in the city of men. And so he says, however, those of us who are citizens of the city of God can do things that benefit people, even if they are simply the city of Man. And I would say

one of the things he doesn't mention in this essay. But I think one of the things is really really clear is in fact Augustine was the one who first formulated the ideas about a just war. You know, when is war justified, and of course only in defense, you do it to try to

minimize civilian casualties, you do it with a desire to cease hostilities. All of these different things that are there that are reflected in our constitution where we're supposed to have a vote by our elected representatives before we have a declaration of

war. But now that's done by the present and the military industrial complex will send out weapons of destruction without any input or discussion from us, and they take our taxes to do that, but certainly from the person who's operating from the position of the City of God and is concerned about whether or not a war is justified. That is going to to be of benefit to everyone in

society if you don't have these unjustified constant wars. So Augustine believes that the virtues of Christian citizens and magistrates directly benefit the temporal political society, particularly because they're oriented toward the eternal, lasting City and due to the fact that only the members of the City of God have a rightly ordered love that has needed to bring about a truly flourishing and peaceful community. We have these wars because

we have men who do not have rightly ordered loves. They don't love life, they don't love liberty, They love money, they love power, and they will kill in order to get money and power, and they don't care who dies, whose lives they use to achieve that goal, he said. Augustine speaks of the two cities, and he says, and speaking of them, he said, the city of Man is temporal. It's full of those whose loves disordered. Because of this, happiness and peace cannot be found in

the city of Man, only in the city of God. His ruler is the Lord, he said. In terms of talking about Rome's corruption, see if this doesn't apply to us today. The Roman commonwealth, which altering little by little, gradually moving away from the fairest and from the best, became the worst and the most shameful. The morals of the forefathers were swept away, not by slow degrees, as formerly, but as if by a torrent. So great were the young persons corrupted by luxury and avarice, greed,

you will so it began by a slow, little by little altering. Right, how do you go morally bankrupt? Gradually then suddenly like a torrent? And he traced it to the younger generation's obsession with luxury and with greed. You see, human nature does not change thousands of years ago. Human nature does not change. The things that we lust after. Those do change,

but not the basic things. He goes on to say that Rome's gods required their worshippers those in decent and ignoble displays, to which they lent a pernicious authority by their pretended divinity. He said, Rome's gods encouraged vice as opposed to virtue. We were talking about that as well. You know, we look at the foundations of our society and that woman from Politico, who you know, hates anything that refers back to Christianity, anything that involves men or

Christianity. We look at the statues, some of them comically crude. Others that have spent a lot, have been given a lot of money to create like that, you know woman with the horns and the treelike limbs and the roots of arms and legs. These are the things that we are now pushing out there as as they built that society that statue to honor abortion. Augustine says that the city of Man led to his own downfall, as it could

not cultivate the virtues needed for its maintenance. What kind of virtues do you need to maintain a society? Well, you need to reward merit and hard

work and other things like that, he says. If the kings of the earth, and all the nations, princes, and all the judgments of the earth, young men and maidens, old men and children, the people of every agent, each sex, if this whom John the Baptist spoke, even the taxgathers and the soldiers, if all of these together were to hear and to embrace the Christian precepts of justice and moral virtue, then the commonwealth would adorn its lands and its happiness in this present life, and then ascend to

the summit of eternal life. We'd be bitter off in this life, as we have seen in the past, our society was. Citing Cicero's Republic, he lists a variety of civic virtues that lead to the fourishing of one's hometown. He said, please think about them. Notice how they proclaim as praiseworthy, simplicity, and restraint, along with faithfulness to marriage, and behavior that is chaste and honorable and upright. When a city is strong and virtues such

as these, then it can truly be said to be flourishing. So things like restraint, marital faithfulness, modest behavior, moral uprightness, these are civic virtues. Do you see any of those in Donald Trump? Because I don't. Why do we think that we're going to have a virtuous society if we put somebody who is antithetical to every one of these Christian virtues, and we worship him, and we call him a good Christian man by whose standard,

by whose standard he doesn't even pretend to embrace these values? Gustin said, the fact through such behavior being taught and learned in churches that are springing up all over the globe like sacred lecture halls, sacred lecture halls where these values are. But well, we were told we couldn't go to those, or we had to wear a mask, or we had to keep ourselves separate churches all over the globe like sacred lecture halls. For the peoples of the world.

Above all, they learn of the reverence that consists of worshiping the True and truthful God. All these virtues which educate the human spirit and are and fit it for fellowship with God and for living in the eternal city of Heaven. He not only commands us to seek, but he also enables us to acquire. We should not give up our hope. You know, I keep looking at this story about this guy who you know self emulated to protest the war and Israel did it in front of the Israeli embassy. That is not

the path to change, no matter what the issue is. We don't want to just burn down society. We don't want to just commit suicide. We are not people without hope. People in the city of Man are without hope. We don't need people from the city of Man to rule us. There don't have the power for change. And that's what Augustine was saying. Augustine who stood against unjust wars, Augustine who wrote and convinced people. Augustine did not set himself on fire. He set the world on fire. Thank you

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