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Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the David Knight Show. As the clock strikes thirteen, it's Wednesday, the seventeenth of April. You're of our Lord twenty twenty four. Well, today we're going to begin by looking at what is the garbage coming out of the Republican controlled House. And we now have Speaker Johnson saying that he is a wartime speaker. Is he really seems like they've made up their mind. We've got to have a wartime

Concieri. And then we have updates on what is happening with the ATF new rules that they're about to publish that require everybody to report every gun transaction, including private sales. This is all being based, by the way, folks, not just on the Trump precedent of the bump stock. It's also being based on other executive orders by both Trump and Biden. You know, it's a tag team match. We'll take a look at what is happening in Germany. The auto Bonn is going to the auto ban, and this is the

fury of Fure, the climate feur who's pushing this through. And we'll also have joining us the producers of this film about the Whitmer kidnap and kill, where we'll take a look at the FBI that have turned into arsonist firefighter heroes.

Yeah, it's going to be an interesting update we have. It's a very important story, quite frankly, and I was surprised that there are still people in prison. We had several people that were quitted. I thought all that said because I said, from the very first day, if you go back and find the tapes, you can see on the very first day when this happened, and it was in October twenty twenty, I said, this is absolute garbage. This is another huw to reave militia. This is the

thing that we have seen the FBI do over and over again. Judg. Napolitano has done reports about it in detail about how you know these they're essentially like firefighters who start a fire and then put it out and call so they can be called a hero. We've seen this over and over again from the FBI. But they are a threat to each and every one of us. They are, as Truman said, America's gestapo. He said the FBI was

trending toward it after World War Two. Well, they've had about what is it about seventy years or so to fine tune that Gestapo aspect of it. They're highly politicized, secret police and out of control bureaucracy. A bureau of instigation is what they have become. So they'll be We'll have a filmmaker joining us in the third hour to talk about kidnap and kill, an FBI terror plot. This is recommended by a listener a couple of times. Thanks for

being persistent. I want to look at the trailer. Yess Oh, yeah, we got to talk about that. So let's begin with the news about Speaker Johnson, who is now telling us that he is a wartime speaker. Did you know that? Did you know that that we're at war? Well, they've already decided that that's what we're going to be. Look, we are in we are an unprecedented times. Okay, we're in dangerous times. This has been articulated here around the world and here at home. We need

steady Leadershi, we need steady hands at the wheel. Look, I regard myself as as a wartime speaker. I mean in a literal sense, we are. I knew that when I took the gavel, I didn't anticipate that this would be an easy path. Former Speaker Knuke g Ingridg' posted a couple of days ago on his social media that this is the hardest challenge that's faced to speaker probably in the history of the country and the moment we're in right now. He said, arguably maybe comparable to the Civil War, but may

be worse. Oh well, okay, So here's the deal. If we have a war, we're supposed to have Congress to clare it. So, Speaker, why don't you declare which war we're in? Are we in a civil war? Are we in foreign wars? Are we in a world war? Which one are you going to start? Have you already started it? Have the courage to do your job? You chill for the military industrial complex and the intelligence community. You're nothing but a spy warmonger that's been put in

office with the sheep's clothing of being a Christian Conservative. You are disgusting. Tell us which war it is? Please let us know. Are we fighting the war on drugs? What are we fighting? We're not fighting a ward the border, are we No, We've got a literal invasion happening at the border. Literal invasion. And as a matter of fact, this is what

the border looks like. Invasion USA. Look at this speedboat running through right through the people who are swimming, doesn't even slow down, just beaches it. And then look at how many people jump out of this thing. It's over twenty people jump out, all men. Oh are they carrying weapons? I don't know. They keep jumping at This is an invasion, folks. Look at this. People film this a bunch of military age men all landing here are they cartel members? They've got a vehicle waiting for them to take

them away. So it's not just in This is in California, so this is by AirLand and sea. They're coming in and invading us, and of course nothing will be done. And Johnson doesn't even want to approach it. It's a literal invasion and he doesn't care. Get him out of there.

I'm disgusted with these people, and quite frankly, folks like he's a perfect metaphor for this, the uselessness of partisan politics and the uselessness, especially of trying to fix anything in Washington. You're not going to fix anything in Washington. Washington doesn't have any solutions for what is happening. Washington is the problem in everything, Everything that is happening in this country is flowing through Washington,

and to a large extent, what is happening globally. We are the instigators of tax that they are the instigators of attacks on our own citizens, and they're instigators of wars worldwide and coups and everything else. We has met the enemy and they is not even us, but they is us. US of

a House Republicans dissatisfaction with Speaker Johnson. It's rapidly growing. Is Representative Scott Perry and Jim Banks are sharing their frustration about what Banks calls insanity in Johnson's foreign aid framework, which includes over three times as much money for Ukraine as

it does for Israel, while neglecting the US southern border. Now, these people want to give even more money to Israel than fourteen billion dollars nearly fifty billion dollars for Ukraine in addition to all the rest of the money that they've already gotten. How much longer are we going to be funding the war with

our weaponized fiat currency, which is bankrupting this country. We are totally bankrupt, and so forty eight point eight billion of Ukraine fourteen point one billion for Israel, two point four billion for the Red City Operations, two point six billion for something called Endo pack Com, and three point three billion for a submarine industrial base. None of these things make us safer. As a matter of fact, these are the machinations of the global government, that's cabal that

has taken over our government. Every one of these things makes us less secure, makes Americans less secure, and that's one of the reasons why there's nothing being done about the border. They want us destroyed. Washington is our enemy in every way that you can imagine. They're the enemy of morality, of truth, of Western civilization. They're the enemy of peace. Washington is the

enemy. And we've got another one of these backstabbers, just like Trump, Speaker Johnson one hundred percent together with each other, because they're two birds of a feather controlled opposition. They're controlled by the same people that the opposition is controlled by. Perry said, you know samething missing. He failed to incorporate any border security into any of the four bills that he's going to ram down our throats this week. On more than half a dozen occasions in the last

six months, Speaker Johnson promised the American people this would not happen. He's using the same tactics as Nancy Pelosi. Let's bundle it all into some massive bill thousand pages or more long. Drop it on people, give them a few hours to take to try to glance over the sink, and you can't read it. Highly technical legal, so it would take a long time to go through this. Come on, you got to pass it. There's no time. Got to pass it. Same as Pelosi, same goals as Pelosi.

As a matter of fact, sharing Perry's tweet, Banks called the package insanity. Marjorie Taylor Green, who filed a motion of vacate against Johnson ahead of the easter break, and Andy Biggs signaled opposition to the multiple impact reentry Vehicle rule. They're calling it like a multiple warhead nuclear thing. They called merv irv The process to merge the bills is about as ridiculous as ranked choice voting. The least popular option is the one that wins, he said.

And so in addition to this, Thomas Massey has become as big a critic of Speaker Johnson as Marjorie Taylor Green has. Massey has now sponsoring co sponsor her motion to vacate the Chair now this is not a privileged motion, which means that it's going to be prioritized. If one of the two of them were to say this is a privileged motion, that means that they're essentially calling

for a vote. Happened within two days. They have put this up in the hopes that other people going to join them and then they would call for a vote. After Massey announced on X that he advised Johnson to resign that he was behind Green's motion to vacate, American Tribune co founder Jason Robertson asked Massy, well, what was a straw that broke the camel's back? Was it Faiza? Was it foreign war spending? Was it spending more than Nancy Pelosi? Was it all the above? Massy replied, all the above.

This camel has a palette of bricks. But Johnson declared that he would not step down. I am not resigning. It is, in my view, an absurd notion that someone would bring a vacate motion and we're here simply trying to do our jobs. Well, I'd like for you to tell us, Speaker Johnson, who you work for New York for the American people, because they don't like what you're doing. Do you work for conservatives? Because they don't like what you're doing? The Republicans, they don't like what you're doing.

They don't like your shilling for the surveillance state with Faiza. They don't like your funding of wars and nothing for our border. They don't like any of that. So who are you working for? You want to tell us? No? Yeah, he has betrayed the conservative movement, says George Rasley. He says it brings up a point between the difference between somebody who's a

personal conservative and somebody he calls a movement conservative. Well, I don't know if these labels really mean anything or they're accurate, but what he's saying is is that personally he said, you look at his life, and this is what gave us some hope about the guy because we didn't know anything about him. He's kind of lurking in the shadows until I guess he cut a deal

with the powers, the real government, to be their shill. A church going man known for his personal rectitude, he married his wife in a covenant marriage. As a lawyer, he has advocated constitutional textalist approaches to cases. He's defended free exercise of religion in a lot of different places. He spent many years actively involved in advancing the right to life. He opposed the same sex marriage. In twenty fifteen, he took one of his daughters to a

purity ball. He adopted, you know, he was like a big brother to kids, and he adopted a homeless or orphaned black boy that was only about ten years or so younger than him. I think at the time a lot of different things that he's done in his life that were admirable personally. But they said he seems to be living his life according to conservative principles, but not his public life. And so I would say he's a strange situation. You know, We've had a lot of politicians who will, you know,

prattle on about conservative principles and yet they live like the right. That's typically the case. Yeah, you find out these people been flying with Jeffrey Epstein and the rest of the partying with him and all the rest of this stuff. But he's different in this regard. But he's just as betraying when it comes to public conservatism. I think that is probably a better way.

You know, it's private conservative life versus his public conservative life. Why has he advanced anti conservative members of the House Republican Conference to positions of power. Why has he failed to move or even five for legislation that advances these principles that he lives by in his private life? And this author says, the late M. Stanton Evans said, is this good quote. I'd not seen this before, but it's absolutely true. We see it all the time.

When our people get to the point where they can do us some good, they stop being our peace people. That's exactly what happens every time, doesn't it. What do you see? You see the politicians just give me the wheel and then they drive you straight into the same ditch that the Democrats are just trying to drive you into. You're fighting the Democrats, and then you

know, you get the conservative behind the wheel. You got the drunken Democrats trying to drive us off the cliff, and then you get a oh good, let's get this conservative. Well that was close. Oh those Democrats are going to drive us over the cliff. And then he slams it to the medal and then go straight over the cliff, just like the constitutional textualist Johnson just meant. The last week twisting arms to pass the renewable, a renewal

FAIZA, doing unconstitutional warrantless searches and extending it. Is he a protector of American sovereignty. No, he's caved on every opportunity to stop the WHO treaty that will place unelected form bureaucrats in charge of American health policy. By the way, that really is a Senate function. And of course the Senate hasn't done anything to protect as not a single Republican to say this climate comparis climate accord. That's nothing, that has absolutely no effect here. That's a treaty.

We never voted on it as a'm been ratify. Is he a proponent of equality before the law? Well, Speaker Johnson has taken absolutely no action on this diversity, inclusivity and equity stuff that is killing the die, that is killing our country. He continues to let this go through permeate the federal bureaucracy without any opposition. Is he a fiscal conservative? Hardly at all.

No, not at all. The two bill appropriation process produced a six point five trillion dollar budget with over six thousand earmarks works, costing taxpayers about twelve point seven billion. This is twice where the federal government spent in twenty fourteen, just ten years ago. I said it before, I'll say it again. Republicans have become the Democrats of my youth. As a matter of fact, they're worse than the Democrats of my youth. Democrats of my youth couldn't

spend this kind of money. They were just warming up to it. It took Republicans to do that. And of course the Democrats have become open Marxist Maoists. Specifically today, after the latest round of Cavans on spending, an active opposition by the Speaker to conservative fis, the reforms, Conservatives are now asking themselves if Kevin McCarthy would have done any worse. After all, McCarthy, we expected to lie to us and to let us down. Isn't that

interesting what I've said all along? So which would you rather have? Would you rather have an enemy who dresses up in the uniform of the enemy, who carries the flag of the enemy, who comes at you in the front, you know, people like Pelosi, McCarthy, Biden, Or would you have somebody who is a backstabbing trader, I'm with you, a fifth column who pretends to be with you and stabs you in the back, like Johnson or Trump, Which would you rather have? Which is more dangerous? And

I've said I believe that the backstabbing traders are more dangerous. One of the reasons why you have a prisoner of war that is captured in a uniform, you accord them certain amenities. But if you got somebody who's the spy, you execute them. They're more dangerous. Thomas Massey will co sponsor this motion to vacate again. He said, I just told Mike Johnson in conference that

I am co sponsoring the motion to vacate introduced by Marjorie Taylorgreen. He should pre announce his resignation as Bayner did, so that we can pick a new speaker without ever being without a GOP speaker. But of course he is not going to resign. Massey predicts that if it comes to a vote that Johnson would lose more votes than McCarthy on emotion to vacate. Yeah, he's I

don't know. And then when you look at this bill that is being sent to the Senate, after he says we're going to package four different war bills into one omnibus thing and send it to the Senate, Mike Lee of Utah. This the Senator is furious about that. The headline from Breitbart says the

Battle of the Mikes. Senator Lee calls out Speaker Johnson. He says, after finding out they're going to combine all these things into a mirv all these military war funding bills into one giant thing, he says, the GOP shouldn't help Biden hold other priorities hostage to leverage a dish aids to Ukraine. In no case, should multiple separately passed bills on these topics, including Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and TikTok. Yeah, the TikTok band is part of

this as well. Should that should not be sent from the House to the Senate as a single combined bill. That's the other thing. Speaker Johnson always opposed funding for the Ukraine war until he became speaker. Immediately he comes out, it's like, oh oh, Like I said, you can look at his background. The guy looks pretty solid. He seems to have integrity. But wait a minute, he just switched on his position on Ukraine. Has he been bought off? Well, as I pointed out, yes he has.

He got twenty billion dollars in one quarter as speaker, his first full quarter as speaker, he had a haul of twenty billion dollars. Now he can use that, I mean if he wants to run for office. Remember that's more money than al Gore spent entirely on his was spent on the entire Al Gore presidential campaign in two thousand, he had seventy billion in one quarter. One quarter, and that was the entire campaign of Al Gore and George W. Bush spent one hundred billion in one quarter. He got twenty.

And so if he keeps up that fundraising pace, or maybe guess even more, if the wars pick up hopefully for him, huh, then he could make eighty billion at that pace in one year, more than al Gore spent to run for president. So what are his political ambitions? You think? And by the way, even if he decides to retire and not run for president or something like that, he gets to keep anything that he doesn't spend. That's what happens with these guys. So thanks to Congress, the NSA

is just days away from taking over the internet. This is it snowed and retweeting someone else who was doing the analysis of this as a Technocracy News editorializes thechnocrats have bamboozled Congress into turning over the physical infrastructure of the Internet to the NSA. No, they didn't bamboozle them. They bought them. They bought

them. I have long argued that whoever controls the routers, the switches, the scanners, the fiber optics, and the copper cables, the servers, the firewalls, cell towers, etc. Will be the ultimate controllers of all data passing through the network. And the Senate will vote on this April the nineteenth. You might remember when AT and T willingly partnered with the NSA to set up listening posts. They called it peering, peering into your life,

as in a pallanteer inside the main switching centers around the country. The initial discovery was made in San Francisco. The world was a gast like two illicit lovers caught naked in bed with each other. Both AT and T and the NSA swore that they would never cheat on the American people. Again, it's not what you think. No, it's not what you think. Is that I know how it looks, but you know it's not what you think.

Everyone assumed this transgression was dealt with that partnership was dissolved. And we thought that too with the CIA and FBI, and or with PISA. And yet FISA is a tool that they used to enable their slight. It was supposed to stop them from surveilling Americans without a warrant. Now it's what they use

as a legal justification they say to surveil Americans that a warrant. Well, not only was the San Francisco operation not dismantled, but others were discovered in Chicago, Dallas, LA, Seattle, Washington, d C, New York City, Atlanta. As a matter of fay, you look at these things and they typically put them in these buildings that have brutalist architecture, like it's something straight out of Stalin's Russia, because it is something straight out of Stalin's

Russia. And then there are the other places like we had in North Carolina. In Pittsburgh had the Big Hole. It was an underground AT and T facility designed to stand in nuclear blasts. And the local officials, it's kind of funny, they all, all the local officials seem to have worked for AT and T there, and they were telling everybody how this thing is closed down and you know we heard about it. One day. Karen had the two boys in the van and let's go see big hole. I heard about

this thing. I'm curious to see what this is. They say it's closed. They started driving down and they don't see anything. But all of a sudden, you know, they get this, uh this intercoms. Turn around. You're in a restricted area. It's like, oh, I thought this thing was closed down decades ago. That's what they were telling us. Yeah.

A body of evidence, including Class I HA NSA documents, public records, and interviews with several former AT and T employees, indicates that the buildings are central to an NSA spying initiative that, for years has monitored billions of emails, phone calls, and online chats passing across US territory. It's according to the Internet of the interceptor should say. And of course that's the way it works out. You know, you scratch my back, ey, scratch

yours. AT and T. They gave them monopoly control of our phone lines, long distance lines and everything, and they did everything that the government wanted to do voluntarily. You know, they always use that thing. It's like, well, okay, I don't have to get a warrant because AT and T has this data and if they want to turn it over to me, that's up to them. They own your data. You voluntarily, you know, decided that you were going to use a telephone. Therefore, AT and

T has your permission to collect that data. Now that data belongs to them, they can turn it over to us and then we don't need a warrant. We just have this friendly relationship with them, and they've taken that. That's been challenged up to the Supreme Court, and Supreme Court says, no, that's fine. We don't need search ones for anything like that. And that's the whole model. They did that for decades before they said, you know, we could do this on the Internet, and that's exactly what they

did. As you had the NSA and a CIA, even a CIA venture capital company that funded these social media startups, these internet startups, these search engine startups and let them operate quote unquote for free, funded them until they could start making money. The NSA considered as ATAH to be one of the most trusted partners and has lauded the company's extreme willingness to help quote unquote. It is a collaboration that dates back decades. Little known, however, is

that the scope is not restricted to AT and t's customers. According to the NSA documents, it values AT and T not only because it has access to information that transits the nation, but because it also maintains unique relationships with other phone and internet providers. The NSA exploits these relationships for surveillance purposes, commandeering AT and t's massive infrastructure and using it as a platform to covertly tap into

communications processed by other companies. All of this spying activity in Americans was patently illegal, and everybody knew it. It is still illegal. But who's going to tell the NSA what to do? Is Speaker Mike Johnson going to do it? No, No, he's fine with it. It is totally rogue. It is chock full of technocrats who answer to no one, and that's

the way they like it. And so as all of this is happening, we have our idiot puppet, you know, depending on which one we're talking about, whether we're talking about the idiot puppet Biden or the idiot at Trump. You have Biden meeting with the Iraqi Prime minister and he pulls this out of his jacket. This is his little what are you supposed to say? And they write everything down, including pause, look at camera and smile. They just have to be careful. He doesn't read that out loud, so

this is what they see him pulling out of his pocket. He continually glanced down at the script. And yet the Iraqi Prime Minister Al Sudani didn't rely on note cards of any kind when he made remarks after Biden, though, I guess he knows what he's going to say. That's strange. Now one more thing before we get off of politics, and that is the Trump trial that is going on in New York, another O. J. Simpson trail and refocusing on quite a bit. I guess what I thought was interesting.

The most interesting thing about it was that they had a detailed questionnaire and they're asking the jurors forty two questions. I'm certainly not going to go through all forty two questions, think up the whole show probably if we did that. But you know a lot of stuff you would expect, maybe like you know, what neighborhood do you live in? Don't give us your address, but tell us what neighborhood you live in. How long have you lived there,

What do you do for a living? How long have you done that? That type of stuff. And then they get into other things that I thought were kind of interesting. Which are the following print publications, cable and or network programs, or online media such as websites, blogs, social media platforms. Do you visit, read, or watch? Do you listen to or watch podcasts? If so, which ones do you listen to? Talk radio? If so, which programs have you a relative or close friend who's ever

been the victim of a crime. If so, please briefly tell us what happened. I want they got to anybody that's killed by Trump's shots? Do they know it? Would it change the way that they think about him? Probably? Not so. Do you have any political, moral, intellectual, or religious beliefs or opinions that might prevent you from following the court's instructions on the law or your approach to the case. This might be a catch off

to throw off anybody who is doing jury nullification. Do you have a health condition that might interfere with your ability? Again, this is did you get the Trump shot? You're still alive, but you get some health conditions from the Trump shot? Can you give us an assurance that you'll be faired and partial, that you'll bake your decision on this case without bias or prejudice in favor of one person or the other. This is New York City, by the way, what a joke. Do you have any implicit bias? Are

you racist? Have you? Are you now or have you ever been a racist? Have you ever attended a rally or a campaign event for Trump? Are you signed up for or have you ever been signed up for? Subscribe to a followed the newsletter from Trump? Any do you belong to any anti Trump group or organization? Do you even know who Trump is? There is

absolutely no way that somebody could get through these forty two questions. If they're not lying in order to get through these things in order to get on the jury, then they have been living in a cave for the last decade. I mean, this is I can't imagine anybody that would answer this in a

non biased way. I did think it was interesting, though, the bias of the people asking the questions, because again, have you ever considered yourself a supporter of or belonged to any of the following the Q and On movement, the Proud Boys, the oath keepers, three percenters, the Boogaloo boys, and then they add Antipha as the only one. Now they don't have black lives matter any of these other things there. They did throw an antifall.

But this is very much like the House on American Activities Committee. You know, are you are you? Have you ever been a member of this organization or do you think anything? I think like them? Any of the rest of this stuff? That is pretty crazy? Have you read or listened to audio of any books by Michael Cohen? Like I said, anybody who gets through this stuff. I can't imagine someone honestly answering this unless they are

the most uninformed person in the country. Did you know that Trump was president? Do you have any ideas about that? So? Trump lawyers, meanwhile, are going through people's social media posts. Yeah, we're seeing social media posts being used by law enforcement, by prospective employers, even by lawyers who are vetting people for a jury. Trump's lawyer said, there are a number of jurors that we have social media posts for that are very much contrary to

what they said. We don't want to confront them openly. I will give them a chance to bow out so that We don't have to get them for perjury or something. Right. When the juror was asked for their opinion of President Trump in one particular case, she said nothing. But when he lost the election, they celebrated on Facebook and they got in the car and spread

the honking cheer. Yeah, this is New York, and you think you're going to find some jurors in New York that you think you're going to find anybody in New York that doesn't have an opinion one way or the other about Trump. But it is working out for his benefit quite frankly, according to Laura Trump, who is his daughter in law and co chair of the now Trump owned Republican National commit She said that today brought in a million dollars on

his first day in trial. This is all working to his benefit. They have to know this. They do know it. James Carville saying, you're going to impeach Biden? How'd we get so lucky? It's going to be the best thing I ever happened to does right? Well, that's the way they They all know what they're doing. The question you should be asking yourself is why do these so called opponents of Trump, these Democrats, why did

they want him to win the presidency? Yeah, you know, Klaus Schwab And always he's the sworning to me, isn't he except that he goes to Davos just before he pulls off this lockdown, fake pandemic thing. Oh but I know. But everything they hate him, the globalists hate him, except he did everything that the globalist wanted. He did everything that leaders like Trudeau and Macron globalist themselves, proud globalist themselves. Trump did everything they were doing

at exactly at the same time. But it can't be you know, they hate him and he's the polar opposite of them. Well, you know, I mentioned this briefly yesterday when I talked about r F K Junior. In fact, they were calling him radical. I didn't realize at the time that a Trump super pac had actually launched a website that they called radical efing Kennedy. They spell it out, and this is the kind this is what is typical of Trump, you know, the kind of nasty, ad hominem,

low brow Trump tactics that you see all the time. And I don't support RFK Junior at all, and he certainly is radical. And of course this is a super pac it's not the candidate himself. The super Pac wants to talk about RFK Junior's policies, but Trump doesn't. The uh, the Trump campaign can talk about policies as they did the first time he ran in twenty sixteen. Trump campaign, as I've said before, put out a wonderful correction.

Here's how we fix Obamacare, and here's a better market based alternative. They had twelve to fifteen different points. All of them were excellent. Basically creating a marketplace where people have information, where they get tax credits in order to have the money, the purchasing power. But they had purchasing power, They had information about different doctors and hospitals, so she can make an intelligent decision about it, and not just about the price, but about how good

they were. They had all kinds of things there. They would have fixed it, but it was never talked about again. After he became president. They wiped that. He never mentioned it as candidate, He never did any of it. As president, didn't talk about it at all. And so you've got other people out there who are attacking Kennedy in a very nasty ad hominem way, but they are getting onto some of the policies, but don't expect that Trump cares about any of these policies at all. We'll be right

back. If you like the Eagles, the cars, and Huey Lewis and the news, they say the you'll love the classic hits channel at APS Radio, download our app or listen now at APS radio dot com. The coding, the mainstream propaganda. It's the David Knight Show. All right, welcome back. We've got an update to a couple of stories here that are kind of interesting. I talked about this the other day, Mark Driscoll going to a Clownish men's conference that, as Driscoll pointed out, it didn't begin with

a Bible reading. It's supposed to be a Christian men's conference. Look, if you want to go to some kind of a party thing or something like that, it's fine. You know, you have people driving tanks over cars or something, that's fine. You know, I don't care about that.

What does that have to do with it being a Christian conference though? But then it gets to the point where they open up with a male stripper, you know, who rips his jacket off and very you know, doing the typical pole dancing stuff and all of the rest of that, and he called that out. And then the guy who was the whole thing, another guy who is a pastor at a church, calls him out, tells him to

leave. You're out of line. Leave and I accept that. He leaves, and I said, well, you know, in spite of the background of Mark Driscoll, what he'd done years ago in his church, and I don't know a great deal about that. I know he's had a lot of criticism about it, but I said, just looking at this particular incident, he did the right thing, and he had all these people second guessing it, and said, well, you know, he should have corrected him in

private, and all the rest of the stuff. I'm sorry, No, this is done in public and needs to be opposed in public, I believe. But here's the rest of the story that we didn't have at that time. A few hours later, he gets back on stage with a guy who was running the conference that he had just criticized, and this is what the two of them had to say. They centially kissed and made up. Because you know you're not well, I'll let them explain it to you. With

Mark. You may agree with me, you may not agree with either one onus. But here's the thing that you have to be careful that you do not criticize people who have the annoying of God on the life that are that are just say no thing, because what happens is, once you begin to criticize somebody who has the annoying on them, you're in the flesh. And once you're in the flesh, then you're moving toward un believe me. And

once you move toward unbelief, then you live a barren life spiritually. And as danger you see, you can go out of here not knowing Mark and I personally, you could go out of your chattering and what happens is the poisons your spirit and it leads you to a place of unbelieving. Well, as I said, I don't know anything about Mark driscoll. I know a lot of people very angry at him for whatever reason. And I didn't really

care. I'm just saying, what did he say there? And I certainly have never heard of this guy before John Lindell, And he's got a big church evidently somewhere. I don't know, and I don't care who he is. This is not an ad hominem attack. There's not an attack on him as a man. This is an attack on what was done. And so this is what Mark Driscoll had said that initially, and you can see the stripper there as well as he's talking about it. I bid since one o'clock

in the morning. The reason, on course is I had been praying for you and my heart is very unburdened for you. And I want to be very careful with this, and it's not what I want to say, but the Jezabel spirit has already been here. The Jessebel spirit opened our event. This is a rebuke and a correction. No one, This is an observation. Before the Word of God was open, there was a platform, it

was a high place. All it was a pole, an ash the same thing that's using the strip club from women who have in Jessica Sparrow just to use it. In front of that was a man who ripped a shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club. That man then is said it, See, our God is not arrogant. He doesn't us that I got as humble he decent, and then he swallowed a sword and Jesus cried, okay, pastor John, I'll received that. Thank you. Besides, you're done, You're in line, You're done. He

says, okay. Or see that puts his hat on and leaves. Okay. So here's the deal again. So how are the rules set up here with these so called Christian pastors and with politicians. We don't want to have women stripping on a poll publicly, right, but it's okay to have drag queens do it to kids and libraries. That's fine. That's protected. And now evidently it's protected if you have a man stripping to other men in the same way in a men's conference. And it wasn't a parody, it wasn't

done in comedy or anything like that. So, I mean, these are the rules that they've got there. What it is is a normalization of depravity that we're seeing here. And yet if you criticize that, John Lindell, who put on this display, says, don't you criticize God's anointed? Well, how do I know if your God's anointed? I mean, Jesus said by their fruit you will know them. We see you by your works. What are your works? Oh? You do strippers at well? I don't

know if I necessarily respect you as being anointed of God. But we see that same kind of language about Trump, don't we He's God's anointed. Don't you criticize him? How many times have I gotten that email? How many times have I gotten that comment on social media? Don't criticize God's anointed. God chose Trump put him in that position. God chose this pastor well maybe not. Maybe you know, as Satan said to Christ, look at all

these kingdoms of the world. This has been given to me to give whoever I wish. Would that have been a temptation if that were not true? So who is anointing these people? How do you discern one from the other. Look, if we go back in the Bible, Paul said he went to Antioch and he was preaching there, and he had Peter come, and he posed him to his face over his hypocrisy. He said, you know, we had Peter did not want to be seen with gentiles, and pretty

soon he was having an effect on other people. He said, I posed him to his face over his hypocrisy. Not only did he oppose him, but he told the world for all eternity what Peter had done. What's the point of this, Well, the point is that even people who are in positions of spiritual leadership can be guilty of sin of any kind. It can be hypocrisy. You know what Peter was doing was he wanted to fit in

with the crowd. He wanted to be approved. Isn't that really kind of the fatal sin of the American Church today, wanting to be approved, approval of everybody. I don't want them to think evil of me, right, anybody can have that happen to them. And when that happens and it's done publicly, they need to be confronted publicly. And you have a situation like that where Mark Driscoll is coming up to talk after the conference opening up like that, is he to endorse that by being silent about it? As a

matter of fact, these guys talked on stage. I played for you less than a minute of that conversation because I thought this idea that you don't dare question me, I'm anointed. Wow? How many times have we seen that used in denominations, you know, some pseudo pope, including the actual pope that is there now. I mean, I see traditional conservative Catholics criticizing this guy all the time. But you know, you're not allowed to criticize somebody's

position of leadership is that right? Well, then you talk about a cult, you're not lord, and you're ignoring the Lord. Jesus Lyndell and Driscoll, both of them pathetic. And then this is what's happening at this clown car cult. This is what it really looks like. I put in the Looney Tunes here. That's not the music they had here. There's a bunch of guys are playing hard rock and I got a tank. Oh look at that. And this guy's got like toy guns. He's shooting blanks fire.

He's running the tank over cars and crushing them. That makes you feel masculine. Yeah, where's Tim Allen when we need him? Right? A joke? These people are children. They need to grow up again. If you want to do something like that, that's fine. That has nothing to do with being a man, has nothing to do with being a Christian man. These people need to grow up, put away childish things, and they need to understand that people like John Lindell are trying to get them into a cult.

A cult. That's so I don't question your anointed leaders. Well who anointed you, right? Who died and made you pope? So that happened just hours after he had rebuked that, and he backs down and again, you know, they said, well, you know, Matthew eighteen, Jesus says that you've got a disagreement between two believers, they should first address it with themselves. If they won't listen, you've got steps that happened, and

then the last step is that you tell it to the congregation. Well, that's that's not when you're talking about a public sin, right, and when you've got something like that, it's even more important when you have it in leadership. Paul understood that with Peter. If this is the leader that is engaged in hypocrisy, well I'm not going to mess with you people out there because you know I'm Jewish and we're better than gentiles and that type of thing.

He said, no, there's not jew or Greek, male or female. If you're going to be a specter of persons, then that's wrong. And he posed him to his face on his hypocrisy, called it hypocrisy play acting. And that's even more dangerous when it is in a position of leadership and where they're talking about religion or politics. So, yeah, this is not something that was required to be done privately. But Driscoll came out and said, you know, I acknowledge that this guy's got spiritual authority over this

conference. You know, this conference where they drive tanks over over cars, that kind of spiritual conference. Clowns. What a bunch of clowns they are. People actually paid to go to see this stuff, paid a lot for these people. So Lindell says, and I love this guy. I believe in this guy. Let me tell you what I said to my sons. As we're sitting over there, Mark was talking. He says, you want

to know what John the Baptist was like. He said, it's like this guy there, Mark, Well, was that before or after he called you out and you told him to get off the stage. But for a half hour they talked there in a mutual love session about how wonderful each other are. They never mentioned the stripper. So is that a good thing or was it a bad thing? I'm waiting to find out what do they think. Driscoll seemed to think it was a bad thing. Lindell seemed to think it

was good. Once you let us know what you guys have decided. So Driscoll acknowledged that John Lindell had spiritual authority over this conference, admitted he was wrong, and how he addressed his concerns. He said, I should have between sessions, just as a father is the head of this house, you could have given me a thumbs up or a thumbs down. You know, don't worry about what the Lord Jesus says. What does John Lindell say?

As he's making money left and right off of this stuff, just follow the money. And as we look at this, you know, I've talked about Curtis Chain many times and the website that he set up with all the millions of dollars that Trump had put out there with the ad Council, you know, two hundred and fifty million dollar AD Council campaign to deceive people into getting

the murderous Trump shot. And some of that money went to this guy, Curtis Chang, who is a theology graduate of Duke or something, and he set up a website and the website was Christians and the Vaccine. And he got a lot of anointed pastors, you know, people like Robert Jeffers, who's got a big megachurch up in Dallas. The one of the pastors that you see photographed with Trump all the time. So he got some of these anointed guys to come out there and talk about how oh yeah, I got

to get it. It's a blessing from God, it's a miracle from God, and all the rest of this stuff. And now he's got a new scam out there. He's working with Tim alb who put out a book called The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, which New York Times and MPR and all these people love it because it tells Christians to shut up and get in the back of the bus. Don't talk about anything. I don't want to hear about your values. You have nothing to say in this country.

Religion needs to be separated and we need to be free from it, and we don't want to hear anything about it. So get out of here if you're going to talk about religious values in the context of our society or politics. And so this is he's got a new new scam. Now, Curtis Chang, after he made a lot of money pushing the vaccine on people, he's got a new scam. He calls it the after Party. Oh,

we've got to get people out of partisan politics. And of course I understand you know, this religious cult that has developed around Trump gives them the ability to come in with something like this. But look at the people that are in there with him on this. You got David French, you got Russell Moore. These guys have been all about politics. Russell Moore basically almost

single handedly created a schism within the Southern Baptist Convention. Tim Alberta's book offers no details about the funding of this project, but a bit of internet sleuthing reveals that in May of twenty twenty two, the Rockefeller Foundation Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors announced that the After Party would be one of thirty two beneficiaries of their new project called the New Pluralists. They invested ten million dollars in order to address

divisive forces. So don't be divisive. You know. This is like I said, this is the big thing that they use now to cow down Christians, just like this. You saw this in a small way with Driscoll and Lindell. Right, he calls out the obvious sexualization and a men's conference, and then the other guy says, oh, that's divisive. You need to be quiet about that, and you need to sit down, and we need

to kiss and makeup on stage or whatever. Don't talk about this that's divisive, don't call out sin, don't call out hypocrisy that's divisive, and certainly don't talk about politics. So he's no longer getting the Trump cash. Now he's getting the Rockefeller cash. Curtis chang Is His umbrella organization is called Redeeming Babble. And again underneath that, he had Christians in the vaccine. He created a whole new website there and it's right there on his website. And

he's getting a funding from from the ad Council. Stuff that was put together by Trump. But they point out rightfully in this article here from First Things dot com Rockefeller's interest and bankrolling Bible studies as a red flag. That's kind of dating the obvious, isn't it. Do you think the Rockefellers want people studying the Bible? Do you think they might have some kind of an agenda

that isn't as much of a red flag to me as Trump's Bible. You know what he's doing, you know, he's just he's hawking it for money. But you know he's also and I don't care if he charges people sixty dollars for something they could get for free or pay ten dollars for It's just just his suckers. But the key thing about it is that he's putting it out there to show that he's God's anointed, you know, just like John Lindell. You see these themes keep coming back. Don't question me. I'm

God's anointed. And the same grant round as the After Party is a group seeking to promote the leadership of rural LGBT people. Another is committed to keeping the remaining fossil fuels resources in the ground in the name of climate justice. So I understand what theers are doing is all the usual political aspects of the left. Silence the Christians, keep the oil in the ground, and let's promote LGBT into rural areas. You know, we've got the cities, let's

shove them down the throats of people in rural areas. And of course the Rockefellas, they're the creation promotion of the American Medical Association, this pharmaceutical takeover of our healthcare. Also giving money to these organizations is the John Prisker Family Fund, which is hardly a family fund. That's a misnomer. But creating a Bible study curriculum to teach churches how to engage politics is by nature a

political act, except not if the left does it. You understand, It's kind of like you could have these Democrat candidates go and speak at a church that's prenominantly democrat, at a Black church, for example, and that's wonderful. But don't you dare have somebody go to a conservative church or have a conservative church endorse a candidate that's not allowed as a pro life Democrat. Curtis

Chang blamed the American Church for the January the sixth riot. But you know, this is a guy who said he was pro life, but he was pro vaccine. Again. He had the website Christians and Vaccines, and on that website, besides having a lot of pastors on saying, oh, this is not the mark of the beast. It's not even moving the Overton window to the mark of the beast. He described the Trump shot on his site as quote a redemption of aborted cell lines. Wow, wow, you've got

ethical issues with a vaccine because it's based on aboarded babies. Oh well, this is how we redeem it. This is how we redeem it. Listen to me. I'm anointed. Right, These people just amazing. So before we leave, let's let's talk about something that is positive in the negative world. And again, a lot of people who are talking about what should we do as Christians in this world, they talk about the fact that, you know, we used to live in a world that was positive towards Christianity for

a short period of time. It got neutral and then very quickly it flipped to negative. So now in general the secular world has a negative view of Christianity. And so what is a solution. Well, it really is a county Christianity. It's a good op ed piece. I covered some of this the other day, but not as much. I did not have enough time. He said, you know, we've had a lot of people come up with the Benedict option, the Boniface option. What are those things? Well,

we've had Rodreer talk about the Benedict option. He said, looks bad as things are happening, are they're happening? We need to pull back. We need to like Benedict, we need to set up monasteries or something like that, and we need to pull back and kind of circle the wagons and have our little enclaves. The Boniface option. People have labeled the idea that rather than being pilgrims and withdrawing being monastic about it or something, instead we

take an approach to go on offense. And so we go out and confront this evil. And so he says, and we need those two extremes, we need everything in between. Understanding the times isn't enough. We also need

to know what ought to be done. And then he talks about, you know, looking at things at the big picture at the top, and he says, thinking about civilizational decline and the loss of the rule of law at a national or even state much less imperial I guess means by an international level can beggar the political imagination, and it can leave one at a loss as to what to do, what practical action one can take to prepare for further

decline while hoping for the best. Don't get me wrong, he said, I'd like to speculate about the possible regime change, about civilizational collapse, about the outcomes of potential reactions as much as the next guy. But it's draining and it's unproductive. Well, I just have to say, if I believe that it was draining and unproductive, I wouldn't make it my life's work here. I wouldn't be doing this show if I thought it was unproductive. I

think it is absolutely necessary. You have to understand what is happening in the mind of the globalist delete and that is the same as saying what is happening at the national level, because they have taken over are national governments, and we need to understand that what they're telling us. If you pay attention, they're telling us what their strategy is, and they're also telling us even what their tactics are. If you've been paying attention, you would have understood that

what happened in twenty twenty had been practiced for twenty years. It was it happened. The first practice session was two months before nine to eleven, and then they ran out the Model State Health Emergency Powers Act so they wouldn't have to have a constitutional challenge. Well, we'll enact this and get the states to do this at the local level. We'll just give them money so that they'll do it for us, and they practice the lockdown until you get an

experimental vaccine routine. For twenty years, every year had a big simulation, at least one, sometimes more than one. So if you understand what their strategy was, and you understand how they were going to do it. We're going to lock everybody down then force them to get this vaccine. Then that helps you to fight it. You still have to fight it locally. And what are he's saying here that I agree with him on The fight is local.

The globalists understand that as well. They've always said think globally, but act locally. Conservatives and Christians need to understand that there is a global agenda. It is declared, it's out in the open. They've given us their goals, they've given us the way they intend to get there. They've even given us the timeline, and we got to stop it locally. We're not

going to stop it at the federal level. And that's where he and I agree because but it is important to understand what their strategy and tactics are. If you're going to try to stop it at the local level, they have to implement it at the local level. If you know how they're going to do it, and if you know what they want to accomplish, what their endgame is, it helps you to fight them at the local level. The

fight is always going to be at the local level. But you better understand what is happening here, He says, the potential effectiveness of focusing on local governance of one's own community, where the political rubber meets the road, can be easily judged basically, the reaction of these efforts to get from the mainstream media. As I said before, you know, you look at somebody speaks up at just a school board meeting, It's now a national news story.

It freaks them out. As he said, if you say something, even at the local level, the attention that you get from the mainstream media is like attracting the attention of the proverbial eye of Saaran. People on both the right and the left seem to instinctively know this. You know, how many times have you seen some small local resistance and they make it a national case.

The right cheers it or the left opposes it. Things get scary for those who are ostensibly afraid of the so called Christian nationalism boogeyman when it comes to manifesting itself at the local level. Examples have abounded in recent years.

Think about local action policy during the COVID era. Think about it regarding dei or gun rights or marriage licenses, et cetera, et cetera, where you've got humble county clerks or sheriffs or school board members or local district attorneys that I mention it here, but even parents, parents get the eye of Saron. Why Because what matters is what you do at the local level. All the rest of this stuff. It is important to understand the tactics that they're

going to use. It's important to understand their end goals and their strategies. But you're going to fight them at the local level, he says, why local? Well, he says, you know, you look at we got three thousand different counties of the equivalents throughout America, and they're very decentralized. Decentralization is our strength, and doing things in person is our strength. They want everything centralized, and they want everything virtual. They want everything under the

eye of Saron, under the internet can visible to them. And that includes you know, any transfer of guns for example. You know, they want to now criminalize private sales of guns without a background check, without getting into their database. And so he says, when you look at the big threes three c's, the campus, the coast, and the city, they're squarely fixed in the negative world in other words, they've got a very negative view

of Christianity, but you can still do things at the local level. He says, it properly leveraged, the existing structures of the American local government are at least theoretically sufficient to serve as the political backdrop of faithful Christian living and

a quickly declining America. As real world arenas for natural family life and freedom of religion in the public square, counties offer realistic options in the near to midterm, and in the long term they could serve as springboards two greater actually viable state and national cultural and political action. Well, if it is successful,

you better believe that it's going to happen very very quickly. It gets into the weeds somewhat with this, and I'm not going to get into it, but basically he looks at whether or not the states, and some states will allow it. Some states say it's not allowed to have home rule in the various counties. And we've just seen a little bit of this. A

lot of states like Tennessee are mixed. For example, I just reported on the fact that they had a Tennessee law, Tennessee state law they're trying to push through an opposition to Governor Lee trying to push through a red flag law after the Tranny attack on children in a Christian school, which we're not allowed to see her manifesto. After that attack, the solution was not to identify

the source of the problem. It was to keep it covered up and then to talk about red flags gun laws as if they would ever apply a red flag to somebody who is a split personality training. Believe me, in this environment, Norman Bates would never be red flagged. That would be a hate crime, the red flag of Tranny. So it wasn't a solution at all. So some of the people in the Tennessee legislature pushed back and said, well, we know that some of the cities like Memphis and Nashville are trying

to enact red flag laws. We don't want confusion, you know, as people are traveling across the state or whatever different jurisdictions. We want to make sure that it is one set of laws. And so when you look at that, what they're saying is we're going to have not home rule, but what the Supreme Court called Dylan's rule. In other words, we're going to co op that county power to the state level. Now, I do have

some problems with that as a strategy. I think a better way to approach this would be to say not that we don't want to have a patchwork quill to regulations. That is always the rallying cry of people who are trying to centralize everything. We saw that with the moves against Glyphist for example, and a lot of agricultural farming communities. They said, well, we're going to outlaw that stuff here because the gliphyst, but especially the camba is drifting onto

the property of people who are trying to raise organic crops. And you can't raise the organic crops if this Monsanto poison drifts onto your soil, and if you get it in a large enough area, it poisons the soil so that you can't grow anything except stuff that comes from Monsanto's seeds. That's their end game, that's what they want to accomplish. They want everybody to essentially be a sharecropper to them have to buy your seeds from Monsanto. Now it's bear

every year in order to plant anything. And so we had people saying, now, we're not going to do that, and Monsanto would go in when there was a referendum like that, pour a lot of money in because they didn't want that precedent set one community. They spent eight million dollars and they lost big time because the people understood the issue. And so what did Monsanto

do and the chemical industry. They went to Washington and they said, we don't want to have a patchwork quilt of regulations, so we need to have all this regulated from Washington. And so they put through what many of us called the Dark Act and said we will make these rules from Washington. I don't support centralization. I don't support it at the federal level or at the

local level. I think if you're going to have a law, what you need to say is any laws that are contrary to the Constitution that you swore to uphold are going to be null and void. For example, if you want to infringe on the Second Amendment, any laws like that will be all on void in Memphis or in Nashville. That's the way they ought to approach it. You see, you have situations where you have what should we call it newcomer sanctuary cities or sanctuary cities for the squatters. Well, they don't

have the authority to do that. That authority has been delegated of the Constitution to the federal government to handle that. So what they're doing is outside of where they have an option. You do have people, though, can set up a Second Amendment sanctuary city because they are consistent with the Constitution. As a matter of fact, every city ought to be a sanctuary city if they're consistent with the Constitution. Every one of them ought to be a sanctuary city

for the Second Amendment. But none of them can become a sanctuary city for squatters. They don't have the constitutional authority for that, and so I think it ought to be handled that way. But the Home rule was the traditional view of distribution separation of powers even at the state level. But again, great book, a lot of information packed into a very small book. The

Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate by Matt Trohela. I would always, always do recommend that lesser magistrates always already possess lawful, God given authority which they can invote. Number two, lesser magistrates have been supported, have been supported by any and their successful bid to achieve office. Therefore they have an established power

base of popular support already in place. Number three Lesser magistrates usually have constitutional precedent and law on their side, so there is heritage and history to which they can appeal. Number four, Lesser magistrates already have access to a public form where they can articulate the particulars of the grievances involved, just have to understand that when they go on the line that they need to be supported.

Again, that is a positive message for today. It always comes back to the local level because that is where we have the authority, the power. Decentralized personal issues are the ways that we're going to defeat these people whose strategy is to centralize everything, to surveil everything, and to enslave us to their centralized control. We'll be right back. Sometimes your day needs a little smoothing, check out the Jazz channel at apsradio dot com and the APS Radio app

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with very very very fuel efficient diesels. Eric Peters and I were talking about it a decade ago, close to one hundred miles per gallon off of diesels, and the EPA came up with a nonsense thing, hit them with some four billion dollars worth, came after them with criminal charges for executives and all the rest of this stuff. It's absolutely shameful. And then they got the

message and they went full on with electric stuff. And now they're losing money with the electric stuff because you've got people who a don't want it and b can't afford it. It's a lot more expensive and a lot of people don't want it, So this is being shoved down people's throats. So in contrast, the sales of traditional combustion engine vehicles rose by four percent, approaching two million units. So the evs are down by twenty five percent and the internal

combustion engines are up by four percent. In the UK, Prime Minister Sunak delayed the prohibition of new petrol and diesel sales from twenty thirty to twenty thirty five, they're still going to ban it. You know, yeah, these idiots, you know, they're setting their carbon carbon carbon. I can see them repeating in a car bond, car ban, that's it, carban. We can use carbon to ban the cars. I said, we'll call it car ban. And of course in Germany they've got a little dictator there who

wants to ban driving on the weekends. They're going from auto bond to auto ban. It's just insane to see what is happening here and the tutalitarianism behind it. Who gave them the authority to do this kind of stuff and who gave the EPA the authority to even exist, Well that was Richard Nixon, but he did not have the constitutional authority to create the EPA. And look

at what a monster it has become. They have gone from dictating what kinds of cars we drive to saying well we're not going to have them at all, and now everything's going to be off the grid. They're control grid, the power, but now they're shutting down the power producing stations as well. So it never stops with these people, and it's rapidly metastasizing, like a cancer. You know, just this week. Earlier this week, I talked

about how the EPA is now going to start coming after the farms. They're going to be the mechanism by which the American government tries to destroy farms, especially local farms. They'll leave the big agricultural firms there because they're cronies and because you know, they will adulterate the food with whatever they want, but they don't want you having clean local food. That's the strategy. That's how they're going to come after the farms and the food in America assue the EPA.

So when are we going to come after the EPA? When are we going to have somebody come after them? When are we going to clip their wings and urge that agency that should never have existed. I worked with a guy who worked for thirty years of the EPA and then retired and went into opposition to them. Why he got in when it was first created because when it was first created, it was about getting rid of massive pollution sites. It's not about that anymore. He couldn't stand it. He couldn't stand what

this thing had become. He understood that it was a control mechanism. So and the EU, discussions are ongoing to modify bands on fossil fuel cars in order to permit synthetic fuels. Again. You know, we're going to take carbon dioxide and we're going to turn it into a fuel and we're going to use it. We're going to do that using windmills powered at the down at

the tip of South America. And so it's going to be completely green, yeah, right, And it's going to take a lot out of the green folding stuff to afford any of it, So only the elite will have it. They'll still have their internal combustion engines. They'll call them synthetic fuels, and it'll be more expensive than pouring champagne into your tank. The end of EV subsidies in Germany, coupled with the EU passing emission targets, has notably

impacted Volkswagen's sales. And of course you've got people like the boss of Mercedes Benz telling the EU that they have to lower tariffs on evs being made in China. They've already made the determination that they can't. They know that they can't compete with China. Why because China gets cheap energy. If you're going to manufacture anything, and you give them the kind of cheap energy advantage that has been given to them. I mean they're shutting down the steel plants,

a last one shut down in the UK. Why because the price of energy is so expensive. You can't manufacture anything if you don't have affordable energy. And the Paris climate a cord has made sure that Europe in America do not have affordable energy, and so they're always They've already got their advantages the Chinese. The China price that slave labor, they had piracy of stealing ideas, they had currency manipulation, they had protected markets and fascist economic control, and

now they have the biggest advantage of all and that is cheap energy. So everybody knows this is what Trump was talking about when we he said it's going to be a blood bath, and they tried to turn that into what it was not. There's enough stuff to criticize Trump about without making up nonsense.

But when he was talking about a blood bath, he was talking about how there was no way that American companies are going to be able to compete with the Chinese on evs, and bottom line is long term not going to be able to compete with them. On anything. If we don't reverse this Paris climate nonsense and acknowledge the fact that the emperor has no clothes. They have no authority for this. It's not an approved treaty, so why do we have to try to live by it. If we do that, we're not

going to be able to manufacture anything. But what they will do, what Mercedes and other countries companies want to do, is to have the stuff made in China. They can bring it in and they can slap the Mercedes label on it and sell it at Mercedes prices and make even more money. It's what they've been doing to appliances, and that's what cars are becoming appliances.

You know, we don't have Whirlpool made anymore. Whatever they get, the washing machine or the refrigerator, whatever it is, they get that made in China. They bring it in, they put their name on it, and for a while they make even more profit because they can get it made with slave labor at the China price. Eventually people realize that there's no difference. Then they got a problem because there's nothing separating them from the other people.

But again going to Germany, just these dictators, this little feur that is there, and he's really this guy who is the German Minister for Transport Vulker missing. Well, there's gonna be something missing. You should invert that W because it's they're going to have the Volkswagen is going to be missing when they do this. He is threatening to ban weekend driving in the country of Germany.

Once I've pointed out earlier in this week, comprehensive and indefinite banning of drives on Saturdays and Sundays, because you don't nobody needs to go to church anymore. The old the case of the well it's only driven to church on Sunday by this little old lady. Well, that ain't going to happen in Germany. The band's can be announced. If a new amendment to the Climate Protection Act does not agreed to by July the fifteenth, immediate action must be

taken, including a weekend driving ban. So this fear little sure he's going to tell people they can't drive their cars on the weekends. You can only you know, pack yourselves into the shiny metal boxes. Contestants and the suicidal race Monday through Friday as you're commuting back and forth to work. Some of the people there are upset about this. They said, you're going to be stoking fears of government enforced driving bands. Well you should be afraid of that,

because they've already declared that's what they're going to do. We're just questioning how quickly they're going to do it. And if he does it too quickly, he's going to wake the frogs up. They're going to realize they're in boiling water. That's what they're concerned about. Remember, or of Fauci, How do you do this stuff to people? Well, you do it from the inside with disruption, and you do it iteratively. You got to do

it iteratively. You can't do it all at once. And if they get upset about he just tell him it's rare, you know, don't worry about it. Forget about it. Among other suggested measures to lower missions is an imposition of a speed limit on the autobon the thing that was always famous for that. And it's kind of interesting, isn't it. This guy's become a bit more of a little dictator than even Hitler was when it comes to transportation.

You know, Hitler built the interstate system. You know, you see pictures of him comically driving around in a Volkswagen and which we always associate with hippies in the sixties. It always cracked me up to see this military dictator writing around the Nazi salutes and stuff in a Voltswagen. But you know, they want to ban the cars, and they want to ban the use of

the autobon. They were always proud of that. And Eisenhower gave us our interstate system because he looked at and he realized that the main purpose of the autobon for Hitler was to be able to move military equipment rapidly throughout the country. And Eisenhower said, we need to be able to do that. It had already written a paper about how difficult it was for him with a military convoy to move that convoy a short distance in the northeast. So we just

don't have the roads to be able to do this. We need something like what Hitler did. We need an interstate system. And of course it's got other advantages as well. But you understand that the primary purpose for both Eisenhower as well as Hitler was military. But now they're at war with us, and the key thing about war is you've got to limit the enemy's movements, right, You have to have economic sanctions on them. Well, we check

that box, haven't we. You've got to have economic sanctions, you've got to have restrict their movement, you've got to have restrictions on their communications, and you have to have total surveillance of their communications as well. Well, I got all that stuff. You know, they are at war with us, and they're doing all the things that you do when you go to war with somebody. Even the idea of banning car travel on weekends gives a useful

glimpse into the mind of climate acts, writes The New American. Their first inclination is always toward control and restriction. Freedom is never a concern, never a goal. Well, that's right, because they are dictators. So as these people are trying to control everything, as they're trying to get everybody afraid of a central co two, trying to block out the sun, doing all

these other things, how far is the geoengineering actually going. Well, a lot of people were looking at cloud seating in the United Arab Emirates and the UAE is bragging about how they are creating rain in their country. Here is the little report that was done by the local reporter. Is it going to rain in Dubai today, just so I know, I have to drive back from over to Dubai. No, it's not rating, it's a sunny day. The UEE government invested more than twenty million dollars in research to start a

process called cloud seating. The UEI performs around one thousand hours of cloud seating a year and it's all controlled by this building and the National Center of Metrology in Abudavia where they track the whole process. We met with a cloud seating expert to explain how the seating process works with the forecast. When we have a good chance for a cloud, we send the aircraft to that location, go under the cloud and the first stage of the cloud, there is a

good up draft. At that time start to release all the salt. And with the good up draft, of course, it will go inside the cloud. The droplts will become bigger and start to the center. Manufacturers assault substance that helps enhance rainfall. They put them in what they call flares. Yeah, and those flares, ah same pictures of geo engineering where they have attachments and they're putting out well contrails and then they just flip it off and you

see them immediately stop where do you draw the line on this stuff? And of course, during the Vietnam War, you had a lot of cloud seating and creation of rain to create the kind of conditions that they wanted in that war. They even gave a medal to the guy who was doing that for the US government that was in Vietnam. And then in the early seventies you had a global treaty where they promised not to do it. Why would they go to all that trouble to have a global treaty if it wasn't something that

they knew they were doing. Now, the question a lot of people were asking was did this cloud seating have unintended consequences? Well, you know, they had to ground flights because look at this is this flooded runway. This is the plane trying to taxi along the area, and it's not doing much better than the trucks and the cars that can't get out. And then when you look at what is happening in Dubai, massive floods in that city.

There's some of the footage of that. So was this unintended consequences? As they pointed out, it certainly is not just cloud seating. The convective clouds that are associated with the sorts of stormy weather we're facing form entirely naturally. They said, oh well, so it's other things. It's not just what

they did, even though they would like to take credit for it. But we also have the radar map here showing what was happening, and they put out messages and we're temporarily diverting arriving flights this evening until the weather conditions improve and so forth. As you saw, they couldn't even taxi down the runway. The problem is all of these attempts to do and we certainly do need rain at times, especially in a desert area like that, but we don't

need to get rid of CO two. We don't need to get rid of the sunlight. And when they start doing these types of things, we have to be concerned about the unintended consequence. But if you understand where their global agenda is, you know the consequences that they intend. It's all about enslaving us, starving us, and controlling us in every way they can think of.

We'll be right back. Tell Alexa to add the APS radio skill and have access to the best channels anywhere from country to blues, classic hits to news. APS Radio curates incredibly diverse playlists for you to enjoy. Get details at apsradio dot com. You're listening to the David Knight Show. A couple of comments from people on Rumble Junk Silver talking about the churches that we're covering before clown shows with nice sound systems and great production values. Yeah, people

will pay for it. It's basically entertainment. Yeah, that's the key thing that is really what has become fatal. I think to the churches, it's not about worship, it's about being entertained and it's about not offending anybody. That's what it truly is about. On rumbles Promford, their job is to capture the dummy patriots, just like Trump. Well, that's true, and it's even bigger than that. It's to capture people who might be a real

opposition to the spiritual war. The other side wants to capture them and make them useless. Capture them these things that demand to be our God, the entertainment and the prosperity and the rest of these things. On Rumble Ap Rumble Seat, David, can you consider doing an ongoing update as to the political and legislative happenings both positive and negative, state to state in all fifty states. So people can use the info regarding relocation. Well, I try to

do that as much as I can. I don't know that would I'm not really sure. I'll think about it. I'm not really sure I would get that much local information. And that's the key thing. That's one of the reasons why I focus on the big picture, because the tactics and the strategy, how they're going to do this, whether in goals are that is key.

And if you understand that, you know, at the local level, I can't tell you, you know what three thousand counties out there, I can't tell you who the good guys and the bad guys are, and even a fraction of them. If somebody is doing something good or bad, typically, as I said before, the eye of Sauron focuses on them and it becomes national story and we see that and it's kind of a just a glimpse of where this fits into the bigger picture, and you can see how it's

being implemented locally. Here's an example of that fried chicken in New York, the cashiers in the Philippines, and so you understand what this is about and where they're going with during the pandemic. As a matter of fact, they had I remember that during the lockdown. It's not a pan, it was a lockdown. During the lockdown, they had a convenience store that was being stocked by a machine kind of a robot that was being operated by somebody who

lived in India. And so this individual was c up to the machine and he could remote control take the stuff out of this and stick it into the refrigerator thing, so people could go in there and get their stuff without having human contact and other things like that. But I said, you do understand, this is about far more than a supposed pandemic and lockdown. This is about you know, they always want to bring cheap labor in. Well,

what if we don't actually have to have the people come here. What if we can get cheap labor, but they can stay where they are, you know, in India or in this particular case, in the Philippines, because you have several stores here that they were talking about that we're selling Asian chicken. And they contracted with a company that was working with people in the Philippines, and so this company was called Happy Cashier. Happy cashier would contract people

in the Philippines. They would pay these people three dollars an hour to interact with customers via telecommute, tele communications and telecommuting that type of thing. So you would come in and you would interact with a live person, but they would be on a monitor and they would be in the Philippines. Now you

know that's easily moved to fast food drive throughs, isn't it. You know, you could have some person in the Philippines who barely speaks English, because I mean it's a they make it pretty difficult to communicate on those walkie talkie garbage walkie talkies or the things anyway, So you know, you could have

a so called face to face with this person the Philippines. So they're paying three dollars an hour, and then that person could take your order and punch up the buttons and have the robot in the back room slap together a sandwich for you, right, or do most of it for you. Now, the minimum wage in New York City is sixteen dollars an hour. They just increased it in California's I reported last week or so, up to twenty dollars an hour for the fast food places, and only for the fast food chains.

You had to have something like in your franchise. You didn't have to own eighty stores or something, but it was I think eighty was the number. But you had to have a franchise that had eighty stores, like a McDonald's or something at least or more. And if that were the case, then they could force you to go to twenty dollars an hour. And I said at the time, well, I think this is to push people that

these chains. They're not doing it for restaurants, but if you had a chain of fast food stores, these are the people who've been looking at replacing workers with robots and AI and stuff like that. So I said, that is a financial incentive to make that happen more quickly, to make the economics work out for these human replacements more quickly. That's really what I think is behind that, more than just pandering to people who don't understand the economics of

minimum wage, the fact that it's a pyrrhic victory. It's not going to change anything. You're going to have people will get fewer hours, they're going to get fired. Perhaps price is definitely going to go up on everything. Maybe they won't be able to afford eat at that restaurant anymore. So all those things are involved, but I think in this particular case, there is an agenda to get rid of the fast food workers and things like that as

a first step to replacing workers in more and more areas with robotics. Also linked to artificial intelligence. So in this particular case, as they said, look, here's the thing we can bring in. We can have labors that we pay three dollars an hour, and that's twice as much. That's what the average wage is in the Philippines. So you know, American workers are making ten times as much as people in the Philippines. So let's stop that.

We can make more money. If we can find some way to bring in cheap foreign labor, that'll be a stepping stone to us completely replacing human beings, even in the Philippines with robots and AI chat. That is really what's happening. We already saw that with the Amazon stuff, right that just walk out thing. They had one thousand people in India watching the people shop

and ringing up their stuff, and they're telling everybody it's artificial intelligence. Well, it's artificial infiltration, isn't it the people that they talk to, though, we're not very not very impressed with this. If they even noticed it, and most of them were just ignoring it when they walk in. They didn't have to place their order through that. It was kind of a virtual and if they even noticed it, they would ignore it. And so,

yeah, I've seen those things. I don't want to interact with them at all. I guess it's some kind of a vending machine thing. They will not allow you to use cash in these places either, you see part of the globalist agenda. No cash. So again, paying them three dollars an hour, twice as much as what people are typically making in the Philippines, so the minimum wage there in New York ten times what people make in the Philippines. So they want to said, found a way to outsource work to

another country. Well, that's they've been doing that for manufacturing for quite some time. Now they're going to start doing it with retail and with other things. So one person said, this is a way for small business to survive. No, it's not. Again, you have to have a community, you have to have a society going to if you're paying workers in the Philippines, regardless of what you pay them. Are they going to be buying your burgers or whatever it is that you're selling. No, they're not going to

be your customers. Henry Ford said, I want to make the cars so my workers can afford one. That's not what these people are looking at the future, doesn't The future that they're designing does not want us, does not need us. As a matter of fact, it needs us to go away. If we're going to be here at all, we have to be here as slaves. It is not a way for a small business to survive.

So when we look at other aspects of work, psychedelics paid for by work, Well, it's coming, Yeah, it's coming, is it really? This is a Wall Street journal saying the companies are starting to put alternative therapies and that's what they call psychedelics, they call it alternative therapies, starting to put that in insurance programs. Nothing other than Brave New World. You know, how did they subjugate the people with entertainment, with sex, with drugs

and then they're no, you're not a threat to them. Eyuvil Harari has said this as well. Now we're going to control people drugs and games and things like that. So they won't be challenged to us. That's truly what this is. It's a brave new world strategy. Don't give a damn take a gram Yeah, just trip out man on rumble Ap rumble seat David. Well that's what I read before. Let's see they're a divergent. Thank you

for the tip. My monthly contribution to David. Thanks for being a voice for peace, reason and truth and a world where truth is the enemy. Well, thank you very much. That's very kind of you. On rumbled North American House Hippo, thank you for the tip. Also, I can't listen live right now, just enough time to say. My employer has me driving a Disney bus today against my will. Is going to need a long, hot shower when I get home. Hey, God, protect these kids.

Yeah, hal nine thousand. The twenty dollars an hour minimum wage here is causing closures. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. And you want to see in California. Yeah, Karen Carpenter, as a Californian, I agree the elimination of human workers is the goal behind the fast food wage high. That's just where they want to start. So you know, take your job. Are you upset? Here? Have some psychedelics about that. I know

you can't take a trip in a car or a plane. I know you can't go anywhere, but hey, you know you can trip out on virtual reality or you can you know, take this drug. Here one person in the walls, and this is being pushed by the Wall Street Journal of course, right, this is a good, positive thing. It's going to be a new fringe benefit for people, the real pharmachia, right in every sense of the word. I've experimented with psychedelics myself, and I could see how

it could be helpful to people. So as the founder of Plexus Healthcare Systems, which recently started covering psychedelic assisted therapy for its employees through a benefits startup company. So in other words, this is somebody setting themselves up just like this happy cashier. You know, we'll we'll take care of that, you just contract with us. While these people say, well, we'll trip out your employees. Before you know what, they're going to be meeting those machine

ls with DMT. Well, and that's when the problems really start. How did this happen to me? I don't know. I had people report me that these Silicon Valley entrepreneurs they went to burning man to shoot a report, and they said, there's this one area and they had all these billionaires in Silicon Valley. They're all hanging around doing DMT and stuff and getting technology tips, they said. They said, that's what they were doing, getting technology

tips from the machine elves they're encountering. And you wonder why, you wonder why our country looks so demonic? Yeah, that faucia and bargain that they've made with people right there. The university is seeking to decolonize music. They want a decolonized music education professor. Really, who is being colonized by music?

You know? One of the things is made American music very vibrant is the fact that we have all of these It's kind of the melting pot thing, right, and so we have influences from a lot of different cultures, a lot of different types of people, and they were all able to come together, you know. But who is being colonized now? Most of the people. Regardless of what kind of the type of music you're using, If you're doing any music, almost every one of the pop songs follows a one,

four or five chord progression that is extremely Western. To have that particular chord progression as a matter of fact. You know when other culture is like India, they don't have a twelve note scale. They have quarter tones and things like that. So even the scale that you use, the scale that you use, the chord progressions that you use, that's pretty much a Western tradition. The instruments that you use, the complicated piano or even something like

a violin, you know, that technology incredibly complex. As a matter of fact, we can't make violins as good as they did centuries ago. You know, you look at the Stratavarius or other violin makers. I mean they nobody's been able to reproduce that. Somehow that technology was lost. They can't get violins that sounded that good anymore. So what's going on with that? I mean, who's colonizing? Who? Who made the saxophone? You know

that standard of jazz is made by a German guy. You know, you never played a liqu of jazz in his life before or after he did that. Applicants for a job at the University New Mexico music professor position should have an interest in quote decolonized music education curriculum. So what they're going to be doing. Are they going to be on primitive skin drums or something like that. Let's get rid of I mean, seriously, you're going to get rid

of Western music, get rid of the Western instruments. None of that stuff that's invented by people in Europe. Now that's allowed. Got to get rid of that. But this is a warning, mamas, make sure that your babies don't grow up to go to University of New Mexico or any of these other universities for that matter. Other potential interests include social justice or community engaged

performance practices. According to the job posting for an assistant professor, the job posting say is quote a demonstrated commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion, and student success as well as working with oddly diverse communities has also sought, I said. The job requirements are about the university's twenty forty goals for diversity on

campus. According to the statement that was sent to the College Fix that had the article, yeah again, no conventional instruments, then, no conventional harmonies or scales or anything else. I just move all that stuff out. And then at another university, Stanford University, you have a professor of mathematics education. Now understand this person, Joe bowler and they have a jo. So assuming that it's a woman, this woman is not a mathematician. She is

in mathematics education. She's going to teach people who are going to teach math. You know, they say those who can do those who can't teach. In many cases, well this would be somebody who can't teaching people who also can't do it. They're not going to be mathematicians are going to teach math. I've had some whoppers of math teachers in my past and really put me off of it. As a matter of fact, I had I stopped taking math classes when I was in high school. People were wondering how in the

world did I graduate. I don't know. It's just a god thing, I guess. But this math teacher who was a coach, I don't even remember what sport he had. I think he was football, but we had such a bad football team and he was such an awful coach. He was just spaced out. He wore a tie and it was invariably slung over his shoulder, been blown by the wind or something, and he was always totally unaware of that. As everything else, they made it as boring and as

irrelevant as it would be possible to do. But again math is racist. Why well, because it's created by a lot of people like Isaac Newton. You know, I mean, he's a white Christian European. You can't have that. Got to get rid of it. It can't possibly be good. Isaac Newton didn't own the slaves, but he didn't colonize anybody. But hey, he's a white European. So we've got to get rid of that. And so this professor of mathematics education at Stanford University. Again, the equation

is math education does not equal mathematics does not equal mathematician and equity. And so she's talking about having equity math equity. Well, equity does not equal equations. Equity does not equal equality. This is total nonsense, and all of this stuff does not equal an education. There you go. The way math is taught is racist and producing inequality. She says, she's been at

the front of the math equity movement because she's there at Stanford University. Of course, No, the way math is taught is stupid, it's ineffective. It's been that way all my life. I had to go look for books that kind of teach myself some stuff when I decided to go back and engineering. I had to go back and catch up real quickly the stuff I skipped over. But you know, there's different ways to teach these different subjects.

They've not done a good job of math, and when we did homeschooling, there's a lot of different approaches for teaching math, just like there's a lot of different approaches for teaching reading. You know, you have the phonics approach, which seems to be the most effective for the most number of people, but there's a C and SA approach. There's, you know, a lot of different ways to approach it. And that's one of the benefits of homeschooling.

You can look and see what works with your kid, and what works with your kid isn't going to work with somebody else, and vice versa. So we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk about the ATF and what they are doing with guns, a extension of the executive order stuff, and not just the bump stock executive order, but some other executive orders that Trump put in that Biden is also using and they keep expanding it. We'll be right back. Whether you're feeling like the

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which these people don't believe was really what was going on. I don't believe it was what was going on. Didn't believe it from the very beginning. Let's take a look at this new ATF rule to force background checks on private gun sell sales through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. That's something that

didn't even exist until nineteen ninety three. It's part of the Brady Act, and so they created this database thirty years ago, and now they want to get everybody into that database, not just the licensed firearm gun dealers, but every single private sale. As they point out in this article on Breitbart, they said Democrats have pushed to include private sales in this for a long time.

However, Congress, even when controlled by Democrats, has refused. So now we have a situation that has been escalated, you know, by Trump as well as now carried on by Biden. He's done several of these things. Trump did two of them. He did the bumpstock, he did the pistol brace. That's right. He did the pistol brace in twenty nineteen,

and then he pulled it off in the time between the election. Between twenty election and the time that he left office, he removed the pistol brace, and then Biden put it back in using the precedent that Trumpet put in place. So the recently proposed rule does what Congress would not do. It's not good enough that you have Congress passing laws that directly conflict with the Constitution and not held accountable by either the executive or judicial branch or by the state government.

Now we're going to have the executive branch and these three letter agencies underneath the President do gun control by themselves. It is regulation without representation. The rule redefines what it means to be engaged in the business of selling guns, expanding the instances in which an unlicensed seller in other words, a private citizen must use the background check system the NICs the seller to transfer a gun.

There is no clear line of demarcation between private gun sales and guns sold by FFL holders Federal Firearm license holders, forcing every seller to prove that he is not trying to make a profit. The proposed rule says it defines the term personal collection to clarify when persons are not engaged in the business because they make only occasional sales to enhance a personal collection for hobby or something like that. But they're going to include that in it. The rule awaits publication in the

Federal Register goes into effect thirty days after it is published. So it has not been published. Even though they have given the content to media companies, they haven't formally published it. When they do, it'll be another thirty day period. And so this is reaction from a lot of different gun groups. This is Fox characterizes it as the latest effort to combat gun violence. It's

not that at all. This is the latest effort to subvert the constitution and our right, our god given right to keep in bare arms, to subvert the idea that the government is prohibited from intruding on that. The rule aims to close a loophole, says Fox. Think about what they're feeding you at Fox. This presumes that government has the authority to violate the Second Amendment. It's not a loophole. Buying a gun is not a loophole, except when

they have usurped their authority and have prohibited sales. So they don't have the ability, they don't have the legal they don't have the legal framework to do this, and they don't have, folks, even the practical ability to stop guns from being sold. We all know the criminals are going to get them anywhere. If they could stop something by prohibiting it, they would have done it with alcohol. If they could stop something by prohibiting it, they would

have done it with drugs. Their prohibition All it does is create a massive black market, and that's what this is going to do. It's going to give them an opportunity to use political persecution against people that they don't like. They'll only be going after the people that they don't like, and it'll be very easy for them to go after them. That's what we're going to be

talking about with our guests here. As we saw in the Brian Molina Malanowski case in Little Rock, the National Association for Gun Rights says the ATF is willing to use outrageously excessive force, including murder, to punish violators, said the group's president, Dudley Brown. This rule brings us one step closer to Biden's dream of universal gun registration enforced by the ATF's jack booted thugs, he said. The Second Amendment Institute said the ATF's new rule is another example of

them going beyond their statutory authority for political purposes. Well, they have statutory authority, but they don't have constitutional authority. Everything they do is infringement on our god given right to keep them bare arms. Gun Owners of America's director accuse the Biden administration of weaponizing every tool in their toolbox to intimidate, harass, and criminalize gun owners with unlawful executive actions. You see, that's the

key. It is based on executive actions by both Trump and by Biden, and that is laid out by something. We don't have time to go into it. We've got our guests is ready and we want to talk to them. But it is based on some actions that were put in place as executive orders by both Trump and by Biden. And they're not going to stop at guns. They're going to come increasingly After the First Amendment, We've just had

the Biden administration wants to ban Americans from using Kaperski antivirus software. That is a precursor to banning TikTok by executive order, telegram, whatever website or application they don't like, they'll ban it. The things that concern them, The things that they want to ban are the things that are covered and protected under the First Amendment and the Second Amendment. For a reason, we have a complete detualitary and dictatorship in DC. So it absolutely is an attempt to test

the water for future bands of software and other issues. Again, what they have done in this area is also based on new executive orders by both Trump and Biden. CNN says the move would use relatively new Commerce Department authorities that have been built on top of executive orders signed by both Biden and Trump. So they signed these orders to say, well, we're going to not allow cop consparracy labs. I can't say, but we're not going to allow this

Russian equivalent of McAfee. I'm not going to allow that to be used in government phones or computers, that type of thing. They've already done that with TikTok as well. So this is the same strategy that they're talking about using and then they will do it in an outright band as well. We're going to take a quick break and when we come back, we're going to talk

to the people who've put together. Actually, our guest is we'll be introducing here is Christina, who is working with this documentary Kidnap and Kill, an FBI terror plot. We will be right back. Stay with us, Elvis, the People and the Sweet Sounds of Motown. Find them on the Oldies channel at APS radio dot com. Making Sense Common Again. You're listening to

the David Knight Show. Earlier today, Attorney General Dana Nessel was joined by officials from the Department of Justice and the FBI to announce state and federal charges against thirteen members of two militia groups who were preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me. We're grateful to the FBI law enforcement to discover these domestic terrorists could stop them. You know, it's a sort of behavior you might expect from

issis. You might see a number that high in a sprawling narcotics conspiracy that stretches from coast to coast and beyond. That's a pretty high number in a case like this. It really reflects I think how deeply the government has been diving into this investigation to try to make these cases. It was just literally a bunch of working class guys who on the weekend got together and you know, exercise their rights and trained with firearms. So the FBI says, hey,

we'll just pay for everything, Like who arranged the meeting. The FBI's paid provocates work. Robison was getting paid to set this stuff up. So they make the route, accept the locations, they make the plan, they do everything, and Adam's literally just sitting in the basement of the vacuum repair shops smoking blonds all day. Here. My client was the leader of this group. But I think you're also going to hear that there was an election.

Help to identify the leader, and it was Dane. How can I frame a social situation to make this naive person appear to be a dangerous, violent terrorist. The whole goal was for the HATHIAT to spend millions of dollars to create militia groups, record them saying offensive stuff, and then frame them in a fake conspiracy. And that is a trailer for kidnap and kill, an FBI terror plot. You can see this at K and K Film that they spell that out A and D, so it's K A and d kfilm

dot com. And I was surprised when solf I had to listener suggests this to me several times as I went to look at that, and I was really surprised. I thought from the very beginning it was a classic case of the FBI acting as trying to set themselves up as hero fireman by starting a fire and then putting it out and telling everybody about it, and so it looked like the whole thing looked like a set up to me, I believe it was. And I had seen some of the acquittals and I was surprised

to see that some people have not been acquitted with us. Some people are still in jail. Some people who were acquitted spent eighteen months in jail before they were found innocent. So I wanted to talk to the filmmaker who is still a work in progress. And it is something that you can support as well, and there are links to how to do that to complete the production of this film. Excellent production values. They're joining us now is Christina.

Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it well. Thank you tell us a little bit about First of all, tell us what the state of your film is right now and how people can help this to get completed. Well, right now, we were in post production, and then in post production you realize, you know, we still need more, we haven't gotten enough footage. You know how it goes.

You know, when you're doing these things, we're traveling across the country and many times we're going to different states, so we're trying to hit as many people as possible in one go. So everything is a rush. We need to go back and get some more b roll. But we're very close to being done. It's been a massive project. I mean, this is years in the making. There's fourteen different defendants. There were actually four trials

in total, and a lot of people aren't familiar with this. They are may be more familiar with the federal case which involved six defendants, but there were fourteen total. There were eight other guys who were charged with providing material support for terrorism who were also had their separate trials. So it is a massive project. It's a lot of work, and we are a small team. It's actually just three of us working on this so well, and it is a big story. And it's gone over. Like you said, there's

federal cases, or's state cases. There's a lot of different things like that, and I want to get that ironed out. But tell people how they can support you to get this finished. You can just support us. We have a link for our documentary fundraiser. It is on the website. The website is kkfilm dot com. There is a section there to called donate.

You can support that way, and you can follow our official documentary social media accounts so you can get updates on the progress of where everything is standing. We are thinking that we're going to be releasing this actually in probably three parts, because it's too much to put into one film, So we are focusing on getting the first part out right now. Yeah, because you've got so many different trials and federal and state areas as well. But tell us how

this all began. What was the FBI doing, what, why did they pick on these guys, and what was it that they used as a justification to get this whole thing started? Official story or what really happened? Well both of them. Yeah, let's heart and then let's hear what really happened.

Let's start with the official story, The official story is uh. You know, a gentleman named Dan Chappel, who was an Army veteran, came across a group online called the Wolverine Watchman, who he said were Once he joined the group, he claimed that he saw threats of violence against law enforcement. Now that was never documented. Interestingly enough, he becomes an informant within a week, and you know the The FBI's official story is that two militia

groups essentially came together to plot to kidnap and possibly kill Gretchen Whitmer. The story was kind of like a vague thing where they were going to somehow kidnap her from her vacation cottage, I guess taking out her security detail. They were going to get her in a boat, and then there's several stories here. One of the stories was they were going to leave her out in the middle of the lake to make it inconvenient for her detail to come and get

her. Another story is that they were going to take her from Michigan across the lake to Wisconsin and where they were going to apparently have some kind of

a show trial for her or whatever there were. They said that they wanted to storm capitals and start a civil war and initiate the boogoloo and all of this, and then the FBI of course says that they foiled this, you know, oh, we foiled the plot one month before the twenty twenty election, and then they congratulate themselves, now leaving out, of course how the entire thing actually came together and where its origins truly lie, which it's a

very long and convoluted, complex story, So I'll just try to make it as brief as possible. The actual investigation from what we can surmise from what documents are available, because some of this stuff is still under protective seal even

now, even though all of these cases are adjudicated. It appears to begin and have its origins in a twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen FBI operation to infiltrate the Midwest militia, and in twenty nineteen, a career criminal and also somebody who had a history of working with the FBI, a convicted child sex offender named Steve Robison, becomes an informant, and their story for him becoming an

informant is that he heard quote threats of violence amongst three per centers. Again, there's no actual documentation of this, so that's for the two main informants had two separate stories of how they became informants, and they all involved these vague threats of violence that were not that wasn't documented. Right, There's nothing to back this up except their word, and so that's the quote predicate, right Robison, Actually he and this was not. The FBI did not initially

report this. This came out much later in twenty nineteen. He was actually flagged on social media because of posts he made as part of something called Operation Bronze Griffin. I don't know if you're familiar with that, if you've heard

of that. This was something social media companies were doing with the FBI, with the law enforcement community intelligence agencies, where they were flagging certain code words or certain keywords and giving this information to law enforcement without law enforcement even having to get a warrant. So Robison, yeah, isn't that great? That's like why I was But Bank of America, did you know we got a list of people who were in Jane in Washington, January the sixth, and

oh, by the way, some of these people bought guns. And here's the record about that as well. Yeah, therese people. I think truly is amazing how they use corporations as an adjunct to it and then say, well, we don't have to have any search warrants. They're just cooperating with us voluntarily, right to bypass even oversight mechanisms as well, which I also find interesting, like you can't file Foyer requests on private companies, so he

can. But he was tagged as part of this operation Bronze Griffin, and I believe this is actually how he becomes an informant. I believe that the FBI comes to him because he had worked with the FBI as an informant in the past in the eighties when he was involved in biker gangs. This is again a career criminal, somebody who's a convicted child sex offender, fraudster. You know, he was in biker gangs, in things of this nature.

So he becomes an informant in October of twenty nineteen. Even before that though, he is already making contact with some of these militia types right online. And I believe that they when he was flagged in Bronze Griffin. I think they came to him about posts he made and asked him to go after other people. So he already had kind of people he was following online. There was a person, Barry Croft, who is eventually the FBI frames as a

ringleader and apparently a spiritual leader of a fake kidnapping that never happened. They called him the spiritual Leader. He was a middle aged trucker from Delaware. He came on the FBI's radar because of a friend he had that was involved in guarding the border in twenty fourteen, like in a private capacity, not

as part of law enforcement, who died under suspicious circumstances. So the informant, Robison, starts pretending that he knew Barry's friend who passed away, and makes contact with him online and starts suggesting to him things about politicians being tyrants, starts naming governors and suggesting they just provocative talk online. Right, and

Barry is known to be somebody that does that. The FBI had been watching him, monitoring him online going back to twenty seventeen because of a podcast he had, So they do talk about We've seen in documents that the FBI said they gave their informant access to a database of targets. We don't know what that database is. We don't know what the criteria is for being on it,

but they allowed this criminal to have access to it. And so essentially what happens is the FBI has lots of informants operating and they bring people together. Right, So, during the backdrop of twenty twenty, as you know, there's the pandemic, Michigan has the harshest lockdowns, and then there's also the mostly peaceful protests happening. So there's a lot going on. And in Michigan in particular, a lot of these guys like their home all day during

this time. They can't work, they've got nothing to do, and they're angry, so they want to vent and things like that. So the FBI decides they're going to create the events to bring people together because they want something to happen. We know that one of the handling agents, Jason Chambers, decided to run it as a terrorism enterprise investigation pretty much from the beginning,

well before even the FBI acknowledges that there was a quote plot. A terrorism enterprise investigation gives them the highest threat level in the FBI, gives them the ability to kind of use all of the resources that the FBI has to pursue this case. So The Wolverine Watchman was a prepper group that was created in November of twenty nineteen by a man named Joe Morrison and his father in law,

Pete Musico. These are guys that are like working class guys. They live in Jackson County, Michigan, out in the middle of nowhere, and they kind of just like they hang out in their backyard. They like roll around in the grass and they do target practice, right, That's like what it was, and it was a prepping group. Well, the FBI,

so they create that group on Facebook in November twenty nineteen. By March of twenty twenty, the FBI has infiltrated their group using Dan Formant, their main informant, who actually was an Iraq war veteran, but he's kind of posing as like somebody who was part of the elite unit that helped rescue Chris Kyle. He becomes the executive officer of the group, the EXO. Basically, he becomes the leader of the Wolverine Watchmen and he starts training them in tactical

training. So again this is during these lockdowns and stuff. There's rallies that are happening that are being held and at these rallies. The FBI is trying to bring people together. So for one event in a rol of twenty twenty, there was a I think it was called the American Patriot Rally. And this was an anti lockdown like pro to a rally that occurred in Michigan at

the Lancing Capitol and the Wolverine Watchmen showed up. They were like in their kit, they were armed, and there were about ten of them that showed up with an FBI informant. And the FBI meanwhile, is like they're surveilling the whole thing. They have drones flying overhead at like six thousand feet watching everything. They have agents stationed like in a mobile command and they are listening in in real time. Their informant says, I think the Wolverine Watchmen are

getting ready to do something like maybe storm the capitol. So the FBI tells the Lancing Capitol police to stand down, open the doors and let everybody in.

Oh so much like January sixth, doesn't That isn't that interesting? And there's another connection too, because the Special Agent in charge the Detroit Field Office at the time that this operation is being run by the FBI's a man named Stephen Dan Tuono one week after these men were arrested October seventh of twenty twenty, So on October thirteenth, he was promoted by Christopher Ray himself to be the assistant director of the Washington d C. Field Office, so he was

in charge on January sixth. That's one thing I remember about this was that connection and how it was like a little prototype to do that. As you're talking about this and talking about the mostly peaceful rallies, it really struck me that as you've got arson and other things happening all over the place, of these mostly peaceful riots, that the FBI is not really interested in that. They turn a blind eye to that. Instead, they're looking for anybody who

criticizes their lockdown. And by the time you get to October, we've had seven months of this stuff and people are pretty fed up with it, especially as you point out in Michigan one of the worst places I remember they had the maybe it was one that you're talking about. They had a protest there at the state capital where they had an elderly barber, I think he was

in his eighties, still wanted to work and he kept working. So they came after him a different one, but they the Watchmen were in attendance there. That was operation. It was a haircutter what it was called. But he was getting more cuts there in front of Whitmer's capitol building, just to say, look, I can still do a haircut here, and I got a big crowd. It was crazy what was happening. And yet the way the FBI would be talking their business like family businesses, they were losing everything,

Like you couldn't get your haircut, you couldn't. They were telling you you couldn't operate a business, you couldn't make money. So what are you supposed to do? How are you supposed to survive? Like they That's the other thing. They kind of created the conditions like they almost like they wanted something to happen. That's right, And if you if you criticize that, I mean, here's a situation. These guys are not putting up threatening a

social media posts. They're just kind of talking privately, right, But there's a they've got somebody there who's feeding this information, who was egging it on and feeding it to the FBI's cry. And yeah, in fact, the Wolverine Washman was never even a public group. It was a private Facebook page that had, you know, when it was first created, maybe like fifteen

people in it. It grew to have over forty people in it. But the story of how the informant even came across it because he said that he was looking for pro to A groups online and that he claims the Facebook algorithm recommended the Wolverine Watchman group to him, and then he had to go through like a vetting thing where they just asked a few questions. By the way, one of the questions they asked was like, are you prepared to be

labeled a terrorist or a domestic terrorist or something like that. It was part of their vetting questions. He must have answered yes in order to even get into their group because it was a five private Facebook page, and then from there they were inviting people into their encrypted server or something. So in any case, they weren't. It's not as if the FBI comes across like a crime in Mo and has an informant acting as like a listening post, just

reporting, observing and reporting back to them. They are actively creating militia groups. They're creating Facebook pages and administering them. The FBI has what they call ocees online covert employees who operate under like fake personas, right, they can have multiple fake personas, and they use those people to funnel people into these

groups, and then they are creating events to bring these people together. So going back to what happened at that capital, the FBI used that for multiple things, right, They were using it to So once the guys got in, they stood in line, went through COVID screening, they got their temperatures checked. They go inside the capitol and the media is there taking pictures of the Wolverine Watchmen. There's a picture and you saw it in the trailer of

the guys. They're in their gear and they're standing lined up outside like they're in the capitol and they're lined up against the wall and they're in front of a door. I'm pretty sure that Whitmer was in that room behind them, Like if they wanted to get her, they had the opportunity, and the FBI allowed this to happen. They told the Lancing Capitol police to stand down

and let them in so they could get this photo off. The media runs with the story the next day about right wing militias like storming capitals, and then they're like the Wolverine Watchmen are seeing this and they're like, oh, wow, look at this. We made national news, global news. And then the FBI is like kind of using that coverage to get more people into to try to recruit more people into the Wolverine Watchmen. So then they go

on too. Over the course of twenty twenty, from March all the way up until the men are arrested in October, the FBI is calling meetings, right, they've already taken over the Wolverine Watchmen. Their informant becomes the leader of the group. He is calling meeting and then they're inviting people to these meetings where the informants and the FBI used a network of twelve informants here that we know about to at these meetings suggest things or ask hypotheticals, like hypothetically

speaking, who would it be okay to use violence? And then they're just recording your response, right, And these are people who think that they're, you know, in a private setting where they're free to like vent, and they're also in many cases trying to impress each other and talk hard and things like this, and so it's just completely disgusting what they did here. And

then they were doing the ftx's which stands for field training exercise. Their informant had a joint training exercise where they brought again people from different states to do a training exercise where the government said they were like they said they were planning, you know, doing like a run through of how they were going to kidnap with They created a shoot house where the FBI alleged that these men were kind of practicing to go through her cottage and take out her security detail.

They even made the claim at one point that they modeled the shoot house after her vacation cottage, which is completely untrue. Now the FBI is the one who arranged the FTX, who paid for it. They marketed this as like a family friendly training exercise and they had a little girl's birthday party at this

event. They had about forty people there. There's barbecues going, people drinking, and then they're doing this training off to the side, which was usually defensive firearms training, medical training, like there's a medical booth and tent and these things that were happening though, like the guys going through the shootouse.

Well, it comes out that the FBI informant used funds that he obtained from a fake charity he was operating while he was, you know, an informant in this case, to buy the supplies to make the quote kill house the shoot house. And then an undercover FBI agent, Mark Schweers, who was posing as a man named Mark Woods, admitted under oath that he helped construct

it. So the FBI is paying for it. They're constructing it, and then the two informants, Dan Chappel and Steve robeson the pedophile career criminal are leading the training. They are taking people through it and running them through it and then giving them training on tactics. So the FBI is training these men and in many cases giving them training that like they didn't have before, making them more lethal. So it's like, what was the purpose of this?

This wasn't their idea. They're not the ones doing this, but that's how of course it was initially presented. And I think that they number one. I don't think they ever thought this would go to court. I think they believe these men would take plead because they target people who are indigent, who basically have no ability to buy their own lawyers. These guys all had court

appointed lawyers, which is another issue. And here's another example. The FBI claims the origins of this plot, the so called plot to kidnet Whitmer, begin at a June six, twenty twenty meeting. They called this a national attack planning meeting that they claimed was organized by Barry Croft, who they framed as a ring leader and spiritual leader. That meeting was called and shared by their pedophile informant, Steve Robison. This was held at the Drury Inn in

Columbus, Ohio. The FBI never provided the receipt to show who paid for the conference room. They won't show it. We know why. That meeting was multiple informants. They were released, three or four of them wearing recording devices and they were disguised as like credit cards or keyfobs. So it's not like the movies where somebody is wearing physically a wire and you can pat them down or something you would have no way of knowing. But in any case,

everybody else at that meeting was targets of the FBI. The FBI was trying to get people from different states into this meeting that they were calling a national attack planning meeting, and then they had their informants saying crazy things, right, but not too crazy. So again during the backdrop, this is June of twenty twenty. That night, there was a riot in Columbus, Ohio, and these informants were trying to get some of these guys to go

armed into this riot. They were saying things like they're in your backyard, give them no quarter. Their informatists saying things like you can't just take brick and mortar without a human to go with it. You just locked yourself down and just throwing out outlandish things. But also part of these conversations was would

you do in a civil war scenario? And so these guys just start kind of, oh, well, if we're in a civil war scenario, well, of course, if you know, if Feds try to attack me, I would you know do this this Like they're trying to talk to off, they're trying to impress each other, and they're saying very offensive things, but

they're being hyped up right. The other thing that's happening is some of the informants are posing as different heads of state chapters of non existent militia groups that were created by the FBI, and they're misrepresenting things that are happening in their states to try to instill a sense of urgency into these men that like their families potentially could be attacked, or that riots could come to their town,

their city, or that contact tracers might try to forcibly vaccinate them. Like whatever your issue was, they would like they'd find it, and then they would try to get you to talk about it in an inflammatory way, and then they'll just use like a seventeen second clip in court and play it out of context to just try to get people to convict these people based on things they said, and then video clips of them running through what was essentially obstacle

courses created for them by the FBI, while the FBI had a videographer filming them doing these trainings you can see in the Discovery, and they played it at court video of them at the Cambria FTX, which again was put on by the FBI, and they had a video of middle aged Barry, the truck driver in his fifties doing the barrel training, and they just play little clips of these guys with their kits on, running around with these big guns

and it looks scary for people who don't understand what they're looking at. But to me, it's like, so we heard about Op sec, that these guys were dangerous because they talked to encryptied rooms, or they would ask people

to put their phones in a container before they have their little meetings. They said, oh, they were employing op sec to throw off Feds, so they must have been doing something wrong, right, as if there aren't legitimate reasons for maybe wanting privacy and not to be I don't know, recorded by your phone or whatever. But at the same time that they're saying they employed opsec and were sophisticated, they have a videographer filming them at an FTX when

and around filming them and taking pictures. And then the FBI is saying, well, they were planning. This was them, you know, practicing taking out her security detail. So why would they have people filming them doing this?

Then? Does that make sense? It doesn't really make sense. What makes more sense, and what all of these people have said from the beginning was that they thought they were being invited to what is common in these militia groups to attend to do ftx's, to do defensive firearms training, land navigation training, the medical training. Like they're thinking they're doing completely perfectly legal,

lawful things. They have their legally owned firearms. They don't understand, like what is going on here, And that's literally what happened this entire time. It sounds like they've got just in that they're building up this whole idea. You know, they've got assault weapons, and it's a lot of it is based on the appearance of the things, you know, the semi automatic weapons. But look, it's scary, and the clothing is scary, and the photo ops are scary. As you point out, they bring them in so

they can take pictures of them. Whipmer's just in the next room, but they don't do anything about that. We've seen this type of thing over and over again. And of course, you know, one of the classic things about this was the trust that was run by the Bolsheviks when they took over Russia and they roped in all of their opponents that way. Now, their goal was to lure people back to Russia where they could put them in jail or kill them. But here I think the goal is really to intimidate people.

Don't say anything. Don't even think anything negative about the government, even after they've locked you down for months and months at a time. Don't get frustrated in say anything. You better be quiet about it. And they released all this stuff while the pandemic lockdown was still going on. This was the beginning of October and before the election. They really wanted to intimidate any kind of pushback against it. But it's also what the FBI has become. They've

really become a federal bunch of bureaucrats to instigate things. That's really what they are. And we've seen this over and over again. Talk a little bit about the obstacles that you had in terms of doing your investigation, because you point out, now I've not heard this before, that you can't get a Freedom of Information Act request in a private company. What other types of things did they have as obstacles and what was it like when you're trying to get

information about what they did. I'm sure it was every obstacle. I'm still trying to get information about what they did. It's been very difficult because the case is so massive, right, and there's so many different parts. It's just difficult to put the pieces together on its own. But they don't make it easy, right. I have multiple four requests into the FBI. I don't anticipate getting a response anytime soon. Typically you have to actually pursue them

with litigation to force them to comply with these things. Some of them are more broad, but some of them are very narrow and specific. So there's no reason that that shouldn't be responded to in the appropriate time. A lot of the discovery is still kept under protective seal. So there's a lot of what is a justification, what's a justification for keeping this under protective seal?

Because we've had trials of everybody, right, there still some penning trials that are there no no just the appeals now, so they'll use that, they'll say that, but this information, most of it is still under protective seal. And the thing that is is so frustrating to me is we know some of it right, like we have. The defense tried to get in a lot of exculpatory statements that came from the same undercover audio of these ftx's of

these meetings where some of them were five hours long. Lots of things were talked about during that time, but the government was able to just get these little clips in. And the defense has some leeway, right they can go a couple minutes before and after, but they cannot capture the totality, So something that was said maybe earlier, they would try to get in this an exculpatory statement, and the judge used this hearsay ruling to say that anything basically

that was exculpatory said on these recordings was hearsay. How is it hearsay when it's you're playing that, that's literally them, that's what they said on recording. And the same event, how can you say some of the audio, anything that is incriminating can be used and played by the government out of context in seventeen second clips or a minute in seventeen seconds here or there, but

then other things are hearsay. It's absurd, but that's what happened. So there were times where you know, the informants would be suggesting provocative things and these guys would respond saying no, immediately shutting it down. At one point, Paul Beller he says something like, we're not going to be black bagging politicians, taking them out of their cars, trying to get arrest warrants for them. We're not going to be dealing with that or doing it. He

actually leaves the Wolverine Watchman in July of twenty twenty. He creates his own group, which the FBI called a ghost group, and in it he specifically outlined we are defensive in nature only because he didn't like some of the rhetoric coming from what we now know we're FBI informants who had essentially taken over the

Wolverine Watchman. He actually moves from Michigan in August. The next month after leaving the group, creating his own group, reiterating that they're literally defensive training only. He moves to South Carolina, leaves the state completely. They arrest him anyway, even though they acknowledge in their documents there was no quote flot until September of twenty twenty. Wow, and so what is this that asklot? Let's talk about him specifically, what is his datus? Was he acquitted?

Is he now in jail? No? No, he's in jail. So I'd love to talk about Paul for a minute here, because he's a great kid. This is somebody who, like his dad, was in law enforcement. When he's fourteen years old, he joins the Milford Fire Department as a ball in tier as a teenager. While he's in high school, he's

doing first responding calls. He's working with the fire department. At seventeen years old, he joins the army, and so this is somebody who like he's a great person, he's wants to help get everything right, he wants to help people. But also at a young age, this is somebody who's seen a lot. Some of the first responding calls he went to are things that nobody should see, but especially like a teenager, he probably shouldn't have been going to some of these calls. At one point, they left him in

a burning building alone, which is just insane. And like, these are obviously things that still traumatize him and are still with him because he still talks about and has strong memories of it. When he was in the army, they give you, i think they call it a bunker buddy or something you have essentially somebody you go through basic training with that is your assigned buddy, and you two are supposed to be You're supposed to go together, right,

and that's supposed to be your buddy forever. Basically, he got discharged for medical reasons, but his friend, his buddy, went on to die, and this is something he still thinks about and that still bothers him. But anyway, so this is somebody who's like he's been through a lot right as a young guy, as a young man, and he's a good person who's trying to help people who served our country, and this is what they do to him. He was arrested when he was twenty one years old, again

for what they said, providing material support for terrorism. How did he provide material support? He was part of a group that the FBI infiltrated and took over, and then he attended a couple events that the FBI put on and set up and in some cases paid for. Oh, he did a medical training at one place. And you know, during one of these events at the Cambria I believe Cambria FDx, when the guy started going through and the FBI was running them through the shootouse, Paul left. He said, I

don't see how this is really defensive training. So I'm going to go out and sit in my car. You know. They had their informant Dan come out and sit in the car with him. Wow at some point and so but he there's nothing you could look at to say he did anything or he knew anything about any kind of plot at all. There's nothing there. But they try them, They bind their cases together and they try them as a

group. So for the state guys, he was one that got state charges and by the way, he just turned twenty five in federal prison, even though he was not convicted federally. These guys were charged at the state level for quote, providing material support, and yet all three of them, on the eve of their appeals, they were moved from Michigan to federal bopphis across the country. Wow, that's where we stand with this young man right now.

How long heels currently being tampered with? He's been in jail now for four years, from twenty one to twenty five, and federal jail, what are they? What is the sentence that he's been given. How long he could be incarcerated until twenty sixty three? What? That's amazing, That's absolutely incredible. I got a comment here from Guard Goldsmith. Good to see Guard, and thank you for the Tippy says, thank you for this conversation,

David. She and her friends on this project are shining examples of people who are dedicated to exposing government wrongdoing. I'm going to go donate to the film right away. Well, thank you, Gard, I appreciate that. And you know, Christina. It is very important. We've seen this over and over again, and years and years ago we had Judge of Polatano talk about case after case after case with the FBI has done this, but people need

to see the details. They need to see the faces, the lives have been destroyed and understand that this is standard operating procedure from this rogue agency that has been you know, doing this type of thing for a long time and still doing it, and it seems like it's getting more extensive. Yeah, oh, I would say, yeah, yeah, they've been doing this. I would say from their inception, I think that they're a rogue agency that serves, you know, themselves, and I think they use these cases to

bolster themselves to expand their agency. Did you know that the FBI just got their approval for their new headquarters, which is going to be in Maryland and it's going to be two times the size of the Pentagon. Well, what are they doing with all of that? You know, obviously they're going to be expanding the FBI. They're going to be hiring more people. Why do

we need the FBI to do this? We've got seventy two fusion centers across the country that our DHS, FBI fusion centers, they work with local state law enforcement. Why on earth would we need more FBI when this is what they're doing. They're telling us that white supremacist, right wing domestic terrorists are the biggest threat this country faces. And if that were the case, then I just have to wonder why they have to manufacture these cases so much and

to such a comical degree. I mean, in the Whitmer case, you had more FBI than actual defendants, Okay, and then the lengths that they went to to make these trials essentially show trials, kangaroo courts, the different. So, yeah, you're inure saying this has been done for a very long time. We've seen them put themselves in charge with KKK organizations and stuff, either where they're running everything, they're funding everything, they're running the trials,

The government is running the trial. They pick your court appointed lawyer, they're picking the jury, and then your quart appointed lawyer, and then the prosecutors get to whittle it down and then that's apparently a fair trial or a fair process. It's just crazy to me. And like in this case in particular, they had their first trial, which was the federal case against the

six men. They coerced one guy into taking a plea deal. He incidentally had an FBI lawyer, like a lawyer who is former FBI who got him a deal. He never appeared on the BOP website. This is a guy who took this kid took a plea deal. He was the first person to plead in this case. And he's already out of jail. Like I don't see that he's ever been in the Bureau of Prison, Like he doesn't show up on their website, unlike Caleb Franks, who was the other guy who

took a plea deal in this case. So there's like a lot of weird things with this. But essentially the first trial ends in zero convictions. Two men are acquitted. Well, you can't have these other guys who are facing state charges of providing material support for terrorism if there's no Terrorist Act. So if they didn't win that first case against the six guys, federally, they

can't get the other eight. So they retried the jury. They acquitted Brandon Caserta and Daniel Harris, but they had a mistrial on Adam and Barry, who were the two men framed as the ring leaders. So the government retries Adam and Barry, and at the retrial they limited so much like they put time limits on the defense lawyers for questioning the people the guy who took a plea deal, and they didn't put time limits on the prosecutor. And this

is something I've never seen happen before. Even left this media, we're saying, we've never heard of this Bertelman's rule being applied to this. It was like a It is something that was done in a case that involved like one hundred different third party defense that was going to take a long time to limit it to the trial wouldn't last forever. In this case, the retrial was already going along like shorter than the projected two and a half weeks it was

going to take. There was no reason to do that except to prejudice the case. The judge also, while he was imposing time limits, he started giving a defense lawyer's a countdown two minutes left. He would say things like, you really want to waste your time with this crap line of questioning. He would make disparaging comments to the defense in front of the jury. And so you're just looking at this going, how is this a real thing?

This isn't a real trial. These people weren't allowed to introduce any evidence, They couldn't have anybody testify on their behalf because the government threatened every single defense witness. They actually called them unindicted co conspirators. So there were a lot of people who showed up to these meetings and ftx's that for whatever reason, they weren't charged because the government didn't have enough information or or you know,

surveillance of them to frame them in this case. So they called them unindicted co conspirators that could be under investigation and could face future charges if they accidentally incriminate themselves in any way. So they intimidated it. That's witness tampering. They intimidated one by one every defense witness that got on the stand. They told them they're an unindicted co conspirator that could potentially face charges. Wow, what do you think is going to happen? And a judge let this occur?

Well, you know, I've seen this covering the Bundy Ranch situation, how they will not allow exculpatory evidence to be used. Also saw it in the case of rouss Albrick with silk Rote, but with a Bundy situation. No, you can't ask that. You can't ask them this question. You've got a picture of people that are cowering down on the other side of a

concrete barrier. What are they afraid of on the other side. You can't ask that question, you know, because the people are on the other side with the BLM who are threatening to shoot people who were there, you know, So you can't ask exculpatory evidence state they shut this thing off, and they would have gotten the people at the Bundye Ranch thing if there hadn't been a whistleblower within the BLM that exposed that. But of course that's what the

FBI is always about. Jegg Hoover is a master was a master showman. That's how he got into That's how he got the FBI, you know, running the Palmer raids and everything. So he's always been about, you know, doing his own TV shows to project this heroic image of the agency, and yet people need to understand the reality of it. It surprises me that so many conservatives think this is something that just happened. As you point out, it's been there for a very, very long time, and people need

to understand the truth about the FBI. This is a rogue agency that, like the rest of the federal government, like the irs, that they're going to grow to be five to seven times bigger than it is. The FBI doubling the size of their headquarters is absolutely amazing. How the police state is metastasizing before very eyes, and yet we're caught up and all of this back and forth about political personalities at the top who will do nothing about any of

the stuff. It truly is an amazing situation that we're in, and they're doing a wonderful job of distracting people. That's why what you're doing is very very important. Again, the film is K and kfilm dot com that stands for Kidnap and Kill. You're still in the process of putting it together, getting close to the end, and if people want to support this and make sure this gets through, they can go to that website K and kfilm dot

com and you can find places where people can support it. We still got some more time, so tell us a little bit about what has happened and the current status of all these different people. I know we had four different trials. Some people have been acquitted, some people have been there now for years. We had people who got acquitted after being in jail for eighteen months.

What about a speedy trial and nothing there And we've seen that now with January sixth people, but kind of give us a fill in a lot of the names I can be familiar to people, but kind of just an overview of how this kind of broke down. Sure, so there were four trials. As I said, two men were acquitted federally, and then they had the first state trial. All those men, unfortunately, were convicted. The jury deliberated for less than four hours, which is insane. They didn't even

look at the evidence. Then they had a final state trial where the last three men were acquitted, the Null brothers and Eric Mulleter. So that's five acquittals total, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta, Eric mulletor, Bill mull and Michael Nell. Unfortunately, we still have five men wrongfully incarcerated. The two men framed his ring leaders, Adam Fox. He just turned forty one. He's in Florence Supermax. Adam had no criminal record. He was vulnerable when

this happened. He was homeless. He was living in the basement of the backshack when the FBI set upon him. And preyed upon him and then framed him as a ring leader when he wasn't in charge or leading anything. The

FBI actually inducted him into a fake militia group. They created a fake national militia called the Patriot three Percenters. They had their pedophile informant posing as a national commander who told Adam Adam was going to be the head of a Michigan chapter of a fake militia group, gave him business cards which the FBI then used as evidence against him later when they seized it after they raided his basement area, which is ridiculous. This kid, he had no criminal record.

He is the sweetest person. If you meet him, talk to his family. He had a dog named Bruno that he loved like that was who he was and what they did to him was horrible. For him to be in Florence Supermax right now is criminal. Also, they put these men have to pay fines. The Courton poses these insane like he has to pay a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in restitution. You know who has to pay that,

the families. That's who has to pay it. Because any money that these families put in commissary for these men so they can have toothpaste, so they can have a winter jacket, or you know, experience something pleasant while they're incarcerated for something they didn't do, like a cup of Ramen noodles. They take their money out of the commissary. They'll deduct a certain amount each month that they say is for restitution, and that the amount keeps changing and

it keeps going up. Right now, Adams family has to pay one hundred and seventy five dollars a month just for his restitution in his commissary. Then they're trying to put a little bit in there so he has something. But what's going on as criminal he the Sixth Circuit is taking up their appeals. They're going to well we don't know yet, they're going to hear oral arguments on it. That is scheduled for May second. For Adams. It's going

to be in Nashville. I'm not really sure why it's going to be in Nashville and not Columbus, Ohio, where the Sixth Circuit is, but in any case, that's what's going going on there. You know, he's not even really talked to his appeals lawyer who was court appointed Barry, who was also framed as the ring leader and a spiritual leader. He was initially put into Terre Hate. He's now in Florence Supermax. Barry is a middle aged truck driver. He's a father of three. He's got three little girls who

need him, who need their father. I was the last person to speak with Adam and Barry when they were convicted in the retrial. I was interviewing them, and you'll see this in the documentary their last interviews at Newego County. I actually got statements from them for the Weaponization Committee. And the day after I published Barry's statement, Adam and Barry were both moved out of Newego County immediately to Supermax's. Adam was sent to Florence. Barry was sent to

Tera Hate. And this was right after their sentencing, which is a little unusual. It usually takes some time to process them out. They also mentioned and interview Barry and I had done at his sentencing where they called him unrepentant and completely radicalized, which is absurd because he hadn't taken responsibility for something he didn't do. So that's Adam and Barry. Now they're gonna the Sixth Circuit also has scheduled oral arguments for Barrie's appeal. I don't have the most confidence

in these appeals attorneys. I'll just be honest. Adam's appeals lawyer is a former prosecutor, and if you read his appellate brief, it reads like the government wrote it. And he concedes that Adam had a predisposition because of things he was saying online, where he's literally just repeating things that the informants were in the FBI were telling him. I'm sorry, that's not predisposition to me. He has no criminal record. He has no criminal history that would suggest

a predisposition to committing a crime if you actually had a violent history. Now, the other three men who are incarcerated as Pete Musico, Joe Morrison, and Paul Bellart. Paul was the young man I told you about who volunteered at the Milford Fire Department who just turned twenty five. He is in federal prison in Pennsylvania. Joe Morrison is a young father of two, he just turned I think thirty in prison. He is in Illinois. Pete is his

father in law. He is you know, a middle aged father, grandfather. He is in West Virginia those three, so that's five still incarcerated. The two men framed as ring leaders are in supermax prisons in Florence. The last three were in Michigan MDOC facilities because they were not convicted federally. They were charged at the state level with providing material support felony, firearms and gang affiliation because apparently now militias are gangs. Ye, yeah, that term,

haven't they? All these men? You mentioned the Weaponization Committee? Well, you mentioned the weaponization Committee? Is that the congressional weaponization of the government. Yeah, And how was that received? Is that anything you think is going to come up? And not responded to me at all? Whatsoever. I've tried multiple avenues, by the way to get information to them, and I

don't think they have any intention of actually investigating real weaponization. They're interested in going after like Hunter Biden, you know, for this nonsense that like nobody cares about, or they talk about themselves being targeted for quote censorship online,

like no one cares about that. Okay, we care about people like this who are good people, working class men, family men who have been ripped from their families and thrown into a cage for something they didn't do so that the FBI could influence an election, could try to encourage political violence in the lead up to set election, and then continue to play these games while congratulating themselves on the back and use it to justify further budget increases for them and

expansion of the already ridiculous powers they have. Yeah, and it's to intimidate Sad. I think it's to intimidate descent as well. We're going to run just a little bit over because we've got less than a minute, and I wanted to get your answer, how did you get involved in this? Because you're very there's so much work involved in this. How did you get involved

in doing this documentary? It's so funny because I actually just like a kind of like a stay at home mom, but I also do like independent journalism in my free time of things that I think are important, interesting and that I care about. When the story broke, I had already been investigating pat Con so like what the FBI was doing with Ruby Ridge Waco, Oklahoma City,

and I immediately knew that there was something wrong here. So I was reporting on it on my own, and when Brandon was acquitted, I reached out to him to ask him if I could interview him, and I sent him some of my articles that I'd written while he was incarcerated for eighteen months, and he said okay, So I interviewed him, and just talking to him, I realized there was so much I didn't know, and I listened in every single day I was I was literally transcribing it, almost word for

word, what was being said every single day, and then I was publishing my articles. There was so much I didn't know that I learned just from talking to him. I was like, you know what, we really need to make a documentary here because this story is so big, it's so important, and there's so much about it. Like people think they know what happened here, they don't. There's so much information that people still don't know that they'll find out about in the documentary. But that's how I got involved.

I had no production company, I had no experience making documentaries. I just had a lot of passion and I was able to, you know, crowdsource and crowdfund it as I go, and that's how I started it. Well, that's the way absolutely we are, and we've had so many of these things. It is so important for people to see see how this machinery works. We need to see how the sausage is made. It's very ugly and it could get anybody trapped in this net at any point in time, so

everybody needs to understand this. Again. It is kankfilm dot com. You can see the trailer there. You can support the effort and thank you so much for what you're doing, Christina. I really do appreciate great work. Thank you, thank you, thank you folks for joining us. Have a good day. Let me tell you the David Night Show you can listen to with your ears. You can even watch it by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear me, that means you're listening to the David

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