Tue 3Dec24 The David Knight Show UNABRIDGED

I want to begin by telling you where you can go. The official donation page is on giftsend Go and it is at we Love WNC for Western North Carolina. We

Love WNC. That's on gifts End Go. We'll give that at the end of the broadcast as well. But thank you for joining us, Lee Brown, thank you very much for coming on.

the flooding in the very early coverage, which there was a little coverage at the beginning, I could see where this was headed. And I have helped with natural disasters in the past, because North Carolina does happen to get hurricanes on a regular basis, and being in real estate, I think real estate agents often don't get the credit they're due for the way realtors just love to dig in and help their communities. Well, my husband and I

celebrated our wedding anniversary on September twenty seventh. Then this is the third year that we've spent our anniversary doing relief efforts. So I don't know how we got lucky like that, but I knew it was coming and I said told my husband, I said, well, let's load the real estate company moving truck up and we'll let our clients bring donations and we'll be prepared to help, not knowing how bad it was going to be, but knowing

there was going to be a need, so I put the word out that we would let people come help us build the truck up. And then as the news hit of the breadth of the disaster and the gravity of what was going on, it turned into it an accidental grassroots effort that has been embraced across the well, actually it's international at this point because my videos talking

about it had gone viral. And it's hard to put into words what it looks like in western North Carolina because it's truly warzone kind of conditions in many areas where the roads have collapsed. I forty between North Carolina and Tennessee collapsed with vehicles stranded on the highway. You have the city of Ashville, which is a decent sized small city, fourteen feet of water over the water treatment station, so no water in the city and town's gone. Chimney

Rock is gone. That's one of the few situations you can actually find evidence of on the social networks. Swana Noah went under water, Montreat, the home of Billy Graham just virtually destroyed. And it's all I can describe it. As is. It's the flood of biblical proportions. It's the highest amount of flooding we've ever seen in the state. It four it was four feet higher than the previous

generational flood in nineteen sixteen. So it was, it was, and it is because we're still right now on day thirteen, I guess we're still doing rescue efforts for people who were in their homes and then the driveways washed away and the roads washed away, and the only way you

can access these people is with ATVs. And unfortunately there's as many well there's probably at this point more that have perished than have survived in those survival situations, just because of where the geography had it located.

What about the when you got there? What did you see? I mean, you drive up to you you didn't know how bad this was going to be, and what was the situation there? I guess at that point in time people were doing rescue work. Tell us a little bit about that.

to check in and see what was going on. And he told me his town had no water, that their water station had gone out, And of course my immediate reaction was, let me get you some water. So I talked to a friend of mine who had a horse trailer, and so we called Low's to see if we could get a hold of some palettes of water. And this was on the first day. So we chase down the water, we get the water into her truck and head west. Well,

while we're heading west, they're closing down access points. And I forty is the primary interstate going obviously from east to west, and it was shut down, so we had

to go on seventy. And then when we got on seventy, there were only certain ways you could get into this town because of the road wash outs, but also because of the blockades that had been put up to restrict traffic, because of the uncertainty of the roads, and it was and what would normally be a drive of a little over an hour took three and a half hours to drive like this to get to the town, just to give some water because there was no water. I mean,

the municipal system is out. And I don't know that any of us really understand how much we take for granted are clean and safe drinking water. I mean, unless you traveled in the third world, it's hard to understand how spoiled we are as Americans. And when that water supply is gone, people on a well would normally be all right, but they're electricities out and if they have a generator, did they have fuel for it? Because not everybody is thinking ahead all the time. Most folks don't

have a stockpile of water. So we got there with this pallette of water, and the people came over and got it immediately, just sheer gratitude, and it was the beauty of it was nobody was grabbed more than they should have. There was a very big desire to make it go as far as it could. And that was day one, and so looking at the road closures was it was very unsettling to think you could no longer travel freely because of all the blockades. If you could

travel freely, the roads may not be accessible. And if the roads aren't accessible, how do you get to your neighbors with life saving things like clean water? And then that was day one. By day three there's the smell of decomposition, and that's a it's nothing anybody ever wants to experience. But that's if you remember the temperatures when this hit still in the end summer, so still warm enough, and the human body is not made for.

had about fifteen homes prior to the Great Flood. I guess there's four houses left, and that's one of the lucky little hamlets. The rest of the houses are gone because it primarily sat on the banks of a river. And when you see what's left, it is just things are gone. It's hard to get your mind around it.

And for me as a North Carolina native who's gone to the mountains for years for vacations and for going out hiking and church retreat I mean every church I've ever gone through, the retreat places are up in the mountains. Your geography has changed forever. So you have the loss of life. We've lost humans, the geography is different. Towns are gone, and so there's a grief over what the state was prior to twenty twenty four. And what it

is now because it won't ever be the same. Oh, it's just it really makes the Bible come to life when you look at the way that things went in the Terrah and what happened with these towns as they they warred with each other and they would wipe them out and salt the earth, And you can't help but feel that there's obviously a visual of the spiritual battle that we're in.

rank on them and stopping that. Organizations like the one that was in bat Cave, and they've done a great job logistically of putting stuff in and getting things distributed. How are you operating with this and who are you partnering with in order to get these is pies in when there's not a clear path or a road to get there.

or a pickup truck or a four by four. And that's my group has just kind of filled gaps wherever we've been called upon. The organized groups have helped us to know where are the polaris guys needed, Where can we get an ATV up, We need toachs to put food in, to go up the side of a hill to get to a family. So it's none of the big groups. I will give good credit to Samaritan's Purse,

Franklin Graham's organization. They were in Bune as of day one with their organization, they were set up and distributing and my goodness, a super well oiled machine. Very impressed with the work that they've done, and the Baptist churches, the Baptist Coalition got busy on day one as well, and they've been spreading out through the church network to

some of the smaller areas. But other than that, we've operated with people we find on Facebook or people that have been referred to us as reputable and kind, thoughtful people who are looking out for their neighbors. And so it's just what happens when people decide to pitch in together.

It's not a five ZHO one C three, and we're not any true organization, and in fact, those of us that swung into action a few days ago are now trying to figure out, all right, we still have jobs to do because we're not relief workers, and there are professionals available, but they're still overwhelmed. So how do we continue to help while we manage our own lives so

that we can continue to support. But the way people have pitched in is it's the spirit of what America was founded on, and it's encouraging to see that it's still there.

their services. I've seen this in the past when there's been a localized stuff, it's not many times when it's really big, then you get FEMA, you get the military, other people come in and they essentially shut that down and take it over. Whether they do a good job or not. They didn't allow people to participate and they shut that down. And so that's why I think so important about this and part of what you're doing. I think you're kind of focused on trying to get supplies.

And as I look at the site that you've set up, you got an Amazon wish list, and in that wish list you put in things that people you know that people need, medical supplies, general needs, a wish list, and other things like that, and I guess you're then handing that off to some of these other organizations that are there.

centralized information tends to be the volunteer fire department. So we've reached out to many of the volunteer fire departments because they know who in their community needs insulin. Well, I probably don't have insulin, but I may have a contact who can help get the prescriptions and handle all the details on that. And so we're removing more quickly because we're not trying to follow the red tape of

the government. And we understand that FEMA wants to have a central supply hub, but if you have a central supply hub in a huge geographical area, then how are you going to deploy that in a timeframe that makes sense, especially with Falsh warnings now because now we've moved into winter, so our job today we moved another we'll move thirty generators up today to give to thirty different homes so

they could keep the heat on. We moved another dozen propane portable heaters into some other homes for elderly who don't want to leave can't leave. And I just I don't know that FEMA's interests it in dropping generators at people's houses so that they can stay put. They would rather put you through a red tape nightmare to get a little bit of cash. But the little bit of cash their offering doesn't even cover the cost of a generator that I got at wholesale price, and they're not

going to deliver it. So if you're elderly and you apply for this little bit of money on FEMA online, so you have to have internet access, they want receipts, They want a doctor's note if it's say a breathing machine. We also got thanks of oxygen delivered up today as well.

They want a doctor's note for your oxygen. Okay, so FEMA is only going to give you money if you prove your power was out while you're on the internet, and if you prove that you have a doctor's note for what you need, and if you have receipts, and then you'll get this seven hundred and fifty dollars. Well, I have found that if the donations I've received are going to buy thirty generators, I called my guiet Low's

and Low's has been amazing by the way. They were so quick to help us with hunting down what we needed, giving us wholesale ing even though I'm not a builder, and Lows helped us hunt them down. We talked to a guy with a trailer, and the guy with a trailer who's not working today, put the generators on and ran them up so that they could be distributed from a church to these thirty homes. If femas in charge,

what's that a month process? And in that month process, how many help issues occur because somebody's cold in their home in the mountains in the winter in North Carolina. So yeah, we're we're circumventing, but not because we're you know, breaking any laws. We're just doing it a better way. And well, idea how the communities were built though we took care of each other. Churches used to be the center.

Churches knew who was hungry, and we fed them, and we knew who was sick, and we took care of them, because the Bible says you take care of aliens with those and orphans, and so that's what we're looking at here, is how do we take care of those that are passed out, those that are alone, and those that are unable to care for themselves.

of the stuff. So that is what is so essential, and that is also that's why we need to talk about this for everybody. It shows the power of community, it shows the power of volunteerism, and it shows just at the same time the callousness and the ineffectiveness of a distant, centralized bureaucracy. And that's the key story I think here, And as you point out, this is going to go on for quite some time. I mean, I've

seen some of the organizations. There was some Mennight organization that has a history of going and they spent two and a half years at an Indian reservation. FEMA wouldn't do anything to help them, but they're wiped out with a storm and I don't know why it didn't fall into their bureaucratic checklist of something they would help with. But this group went there and they stayed there for like two and a half years, and they said, we're going to be here for several years because we're going

to be here helping people rebuild. I guess at this point right now, the rescue operation is really more recovery of bodies. But the people that are there, they need a constant resupply of things because they really can't help themselves. It's really reliant on outside help.

what has come into your water source now. And part of what we've received from our donations from around the country, and obviously I am just one of the many, many voices that has been a voice to cry out for western North Carolina. But the water that has come in has just been astonishing. We actually have had to hold some back in storage because there's nowhere else to put it.

for this moment? And as we get the systems in place and we figure out how to get people through roads, we have these I guess you could call them hillbilly road repairs where you have a bunch of guys that show up and put a road back together during the night, old school style.

We want it fixed, we want it better. When we took up the generators, we took up some dehumidifiers because if you think about this, a lot of the houses have water intrusion. As somebody in real estate, I want to save those houses, so we have to get dehumidifiers in, get the moisture out so they don't wind up with the mold problem. When we invariably hit a little warm street, which is North Carolina, is going to do warm cold, warm, cold, warm, cold for a while, and we want to make sure

these people's houses are still safe to live in. So yes, there's lots of things we can do. And for those of y'all that are curious, one of our best prepper communities that I've ever known is in one of the affected counties. Build doing pretty all right now. They've actually been able to take what they had prepared and they

are helping their neighbors. In fact, one of my dear friends in that community was frustrated with the distribution, so she put a pop up tent in her yard and put out some supplies that we brought to her house just on the back of a trailer and the neighbors all came right out and were served. And that's a blessing to be prepared enough that you can serve. And I don't know that we talk about that enough with people who are organically just taking care of the future

and thinking ahead. It's not just a selfish desire to take care of yourself. But if you're taking care of you have the bandwidth to help other people. So just a reminder that prepping is not selfish.

is that something that you're seeing. Of course, Lee, you're a retail a realtor, and her website is Lee Sells and she spells her name l E I G H. Lee Sells dot com will find information about this relief effort. But of course you can also find that at giftsen go and give sing go. You look for we Love w INC for Western North Carolina, we Love W and C. That'll give you that information. I'm sure probably link back to the other thing as well. But as a realtor,

what are you hearing about that? Because that's been a concern of a lot of people. You know, we've got these situations with a couple of different minds, a very rare quartz mind, a big lithium mind that people didn't really want to see that come in. Are they going to shove people out? Are we hearing any of that kind of stuff?

of private property rights. So when all of the when all of this stuff went down, The lithium vein that gets referenced runs from Ashville all the way down through Gaston County, and it's been there obviously since the Lord created it, but it became very valuable as we've moved more towards these electronic vehicles that are being forced on us, and that Gaston County is where we saw the first mining operations really kick in, and that's generally you've got

a lot of black rock stakeholders. So there's a lot of I would say nefarious actors afoot. But this storm unless the cloud seating situation really is what happened, and even if it were, I don't know that the bad actors can get a hold of the land unless the property owners sell because our state constitution protects illegal takings

by the government. And if something were to happen, it would be that a phone call comes into Bob from some little shyster investor who says, your land ain't worth then I'll give you cash, take it off your hands. So if our neighbors can't give in to bad sales pitches, then there could be some takings going on. But as of right now, and I talked to the Speaker of the House in North Carolina. He's a very he's a very savvy lawyer, and he told me there's no legislation

needed at this point because the constitution is strong. But he did ask the real estate community to please get the word out to people. Don't sell cheap, don't give in to what you read on the internet, because that's the risk. The risk is that the chatter on X and Instagram and Facebook scares people enough that they go ahead and sell. I will point out there's a lot of chatter about a town hall meeting that happened in Chimney Rock that did not happen. That's in internet urban myth.

And so it's important to be alert because our government is full of bad actors who do value money more than they value life because they serve the wrong God. And as we look at what they do on a general basis, it is possible to believe it. But in North Carolina, what I don't think they counted on at Black Rock is the absolute stubbornness of mountain people who

are not going anywhere. And there was a lady that we spoke with on Sunday of last week and she had basically moved herself up under what was left of her lean to her house is pretty much gone and there's a flagpole in the yard. She said, I ain't going anywhere, and so we said, all right, we're going to get you the heated tent that you can stay put.

But you know, they might be thinking that the attitudes are more of the people they encounter in the ashvills, the urban areas that go to the breweries and our university kids. But mountain people are generational, hard scrabble folks. They're used to pulling a living out of very unforgiving land. They have made home sites mountain sides, and I think they're going to prove to be a tougher fell than anybody realizes.

increased premium. However, if you did not increase your coverage, then your insurance policy may be enforced and you may have paid on it dutifully. But if the value of your house exceeds the policy, that's not even the fault of the insurance company. That is the challenge of a rising market. And when you're in a home that's in good shape or you're selling it, you love the rising market.

When you're buying, you hate the rising market. When you're a homeowner who's enjoying your three percent interest rate that you got seven years ago, it doesn't bother you until something like this hits. And so what I would say, is what we have been saying on the real estate side for some time, is please check your policies and make sure that you have the appropriate amount of coverage because what you paid two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for six years ago cannot be built for that now,

even if you had the money. Labors high, materials are high, and the biggest cost we have is permits and regulations trying to get something built. So we should all be paying attention to our policies. Now that being said, if you are watching this or listening to this and you're in an affected area, don't tell the insurance company that you experienced a flood. You got to tell them it was high water and rain because you get covered if

you don't use the word flood. And I'd also point this out, there's a lot of experts on the internet. I love Internet experts in the comments, and they keep telling us that these people should have had flood insurance. Really, really, you put a house on a mountain side. No, they didn't have blood insurance. And that's normal because again, we're in an inflationary environment where people are trying to pay

the bills. They're not going to add on flood insurance for the side of a mountain where it's not necessary because you're not in a flood zone and you don't think it's ever going to happen. But I can't blame an insurance company for being nervous about a generational native generational. I think this is a it's a century long era we've been dealing with here. They can't anticipate it, and

they're not made out of money either. The only crowd that's made out of money is the government who keeps printing it and taking it out of our pockets where nobody can afford anything. So that's a challenge too. But the other thing people don't know about flood insurance is even if you had it, even if you've got your claim approved, it's a max payout of two hundred and fifty thousand, and the way the markets have changed, that's not even going to buy you a nice double wide.

When you consider all of the foundation things that have to be reset. We've got to redo deptic tanks, We're going to have to redo wells, We're going to have to redo water and sewer taps. If it's on the infrastructure lines, it's just it's going to be interesting. And

I don't know what the answer is. But as I've said in the video a couple of days ago, I sure hope that the banks like JP Morgan and Bank of America, who make a lot of money off of homeowners, I hope they'll forgive these mortgages because I do worry about the people who no longer have a collateral. They have no house left, but they still have a mortgage. And so that's right. What's going to happen there. Are they going to get foreclosed on no house or is

the bank going to forgive it? I don't know the answer, but I just it's what everybody has to do is pray for the affected people because they're going to need strength and resilience to process all of these things. While they find water and food, while they do.

for them to sell. They live on commission and I've talked to several who are in a panic right now because they did have something under contract, but now the house has either gone or damaged. Buy or can't buy. A seller can't sell house isn't going to receive the loan. So you've got a whole profession that's out of work

unless they relocate. Well, if a real estate agent relocates to work for me an hour away, I'd be glad to have them, but they don't know anybody where I am in real estate's relationship base, and it's competitive, and then you have to learn a new county and you learn a new market, so it's challenge on top of challenge.

But I'm hopeful that because North Carolina has had so many employers come in with Eli Lilly and Toyota and Boomsonic, that will see those new big employers rise up and making a concerted effort to provide employment to people, even if it's a one year contract, to give him a chance to get started again. It's so multifaceted, but.

And then you have to ask yourself, my gracious, how crazy is the volume and force of the water that fifty nine pieces of asphalt lay in equipment could get destroyed. So I look at that, and in a normal time, he'd be glad to have that kind of job. That's a huge job. It's a huge bid. But here he gets a bid, no equipment to serve it, and even if he could, his men can't get to and from work.

on so people know this is an ongoing situation. It's going to go on for a very very long time as we're talking about all these different aspects that are here, but it's going to pass out of the news cycle. Everybody's going to get interested in politics and all the rest of the stuff, and there'll be another storm and another hurricane somewhere, just as we see. A lot of the tension was redirected away from North Carolina because of Milton coming in this line last week, and so that

type of thing is going to be there. But the needs continue on there. And again if people want to help it is we love w NC as in western North Carolina. We love WNC at give Send go, And I guess there's links there to your page there under Lee Sales dot com. You've got a page and I guess you've got a link back to that from probably the easiest way for them to find it is going to gift, send go and look at we love w NC.

It is so wonderful to see people helping other people and it's tragic that this has happened, but I think that is a silver lining that is there and it's important lesson for everybody to see throughout the country. And anything else that you would like to say, I mean, we've got a little bit more time. What would you like to stress to people?

was too dangerous to get here. But then I saw the leaked emails from the current administration that said they were going to delay their response because it was not safe. So I wonder if the Red Cross was following the government, but that would explain why nobody trust them. And it's just it's a shame that we fall into that as a society that we no longer trust our government. I certainly don't trust big pharma. I don't trust the school system, as you mentioned in your piece before I came on,

I don't trust most of these relief organizations. And I thought that by opening up chance for people to give me their donations, that I could fill my truck up with some supplies. I did not anticipate that so many people said, hey, lady, I saw on the internet in a video, you seem more trustworthy than big organizations and FEMA. And so when they've sent me these gifts, they've thanked me.

They know that I'm directing the dollars to actual neighbors, and all of them have said, just please keep going around FEMA, because they understand that that's the speed is for the need. And it's encouraging and discouraging at the same time. But then I remember how much my grandmother, Oh, she longed for the end times, and I remind myself it's a privilege to get to live in them. And so all I can do is be a laborer in

the harvest. And I'm grateful for everybody that's laboring, as well those that are doing the helicopter lifts and the ATV search and rescues and cutting logs to get people out of driveways, and you really do see the best in people. And hopefully we as a people will decide that we've had enough of the corrupt elites that diminish us and we will either put this to rights like happened with the people of Israel so long ago, or

where God's gonna He's gonna have his way. So right, I hope everybody in the sound of my voice chooses Jesus and chooses to repent before you miss your chance. They have to talk that in there.

do the right thing. And and it is great to see that and You've gotten a good deal of support there on gifts and go and so again that it is we love w n C is how you can keep track of what is happening there, and we've been talking to Lee Brown. Thank you so much for what you're doing, for stepping up with that. Coming into that area truly is amazing, and I know that it is very challenging, but it's also very blessing to be able

to help other people. We don't ever want to be in the situation where we need the help, but it is wonderful to be able to offer the help. And so thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for stepping up, and we really do appreciate the example that is being set there by all the people voluntarily stepping in and helping their neighbor. It's great to see that that has not died out in America. It hasn't been smothered by this massive bureaucracy of these corrupt institutions that

we see both public and private. It's great to see people just stepping up on the spur of the moment and doing this type of thing. Thank you so much for what you do. Appreciate it well.

She is a licensed nurse practitioner. She actually ran clinical sites for quite some time and then took a sabbatical and went to Washington and worked there, so she knows both the politics and the medical stuff. So it's great to have her and thank you for joining us. It's good to talk to you you too, David.

you really get this and what did you do? Do you go along with it even if you understood it? Or did they completely fool you or did they get you to comply with it even though you knew what was wrong? You know, take a look at that. So what do you think about these these last four years? And what we just saw at the Republican Convention? Were they just kind of seemed to ignore what happened in twenty twenty except for the election of course?

going forward. And here's the thing, David, when I say to people, you know, this is crazy. I point out things about Trump. He's hiring all the wrong people. Again. You know, we saw it in DC in the first term. You know, people say to me, well, what are you going to do, doctor Jane, You know, go vote for Biden. They're missing the whole point. They're missing the whole point because you don't have elections. And actually there's a third choice between Trump Biden. And the third choice is how

about holding Trump accountable? How about making him a better candidate? Right, I'm sure you agree with that.

any flu or differentiate one flu from another. So people go yes, But and I say, well, well whoa bring yourself back to the beginning. Let me repeat what I just said and try to grasp what I just said. When I try to educate people to validate an instrument, if I hold up my pen and I say this is going to make your eggs tomorrow morning, David, I have to test it for validity. Does it make eggs?

In addition to the inventor carry Mollis as we all know by now, who said it's not diagnostic, and you did a great job of explaining why you can get down to those molecular levels really not seeing anything, which is what he was trying to say. But the CDC itself in a sleight of hand kind of In twenty twenty one, July recalled the PCR and people, people just you know, people call me to this day. You know, hey, I got sick over the weekend and I got a

COVID test and it was positive. What, Oh my god, David, my head wants to explode.

of capabilities because they got an organ transplant. Those are the only two times we ever wore a mask because we knew that it had no other purpose. So anyway to the PCR, and it's the gift that keeps giving because, like you said it, without the PCR, you don't have cases. You can't gin up H five on one, you can't gin up COVID two point three or whatever it's going to be. And so that's my little spiel on the PCR.

could actually observe and do real science with it. And that's the fundamental lie that he was able to exploit, from AIDS to COVID, that he built his career, and he built all of these deceptions on the PCR test truly is amazing.

but all over, including in the United States. And just to wrap up on the RNC, that was the absurdity was that there was no touching on the COVID nineteen shots as biological weapons, which has been proven over and over again by countless analysts and scientists, the role of the DoD You know, in my quest, I put out a tweet a while ago, David, and I said, think about this, why don't you ask Trump when they gin up H five N one and they throw it in your face and you create your new panel, what are

you going to do differently? Because if he says nothing, you know you got your deep state guy. He's just picking all the wrong people. I know we'll get into that in a minute, but I want to touch on my second favorite topic that you covered if I could earlier, and that was McCullough. I've been on to Peter McCullough for over two years. And here's here. You know, my dubious distinction is no one. They can come after me, David.

They can call me names, they can call me fake, they can disparage my credentials, but they've never proven me wrong. And I called him out two two and a half years ago because I was in a private telegram chat C nineteen expert group that he created himself, and in that chat, David one day, to my astounding, he posted a communication to us with some data on nova vacs. When nova vacs first came out, right, it's also a biological weapon. It gets to the mRNA in your body,

but through a different mechanism, different story. And I questioned in front of everyone, well why are you promoting it's not a vaccine and it's another weapon, and boom. I was blocked from that group shortly after that. You have to understand, we were doing each other's podcasts, we were friendly, we were colleagues, so it really was a huge red flag for me. There are three problems I have with him.

First of all, he's taken. If you look at Chuck Grassley's Sunshine Act, the website is OpenPayments dot CMS dot gov, the government's repository for money. Every time I took a physician out in my pharmaceutical role, I was in the industry for twenty years, as you probably know, we had to file some paperwork with the CMS and we had to you know, if I took out doctor Jim Smith and it was a two hundred dollars bill, I had

to file that, so they keep those accumulated. He has taken since twenty fifteen five point five million dollars and it's not that's in addition to research grants. Now, by comparison, the late doctor Zelenko, just as a comparator, in that same five year period took about six hundred dollars from pharma over over seven or eight years. That's like a sandwich a year, right, So that's number one big farm, and you know they expect something for that money, as

you know, David. So what has he done. He's pushed a very dangerous ant, supposed anti viral called paslavit. Paslavid is two anti virals, norma trelvir and written avir. Written vir has a black box warning and has had it for years by the FDA. It's highest warning level for a drug before they pull it right, and so it's very dangerous. And you have Albert Borla coming on promoting off label, saying, yeah, if it doesn't work the first time, take another round of it. Where are your studies for that?

do that. I'll lose my license. What there's no law that prohibit it's a prescriber from prescribing off label. The illegality comes in, of course, when a company, whether you're on the medical side or the commercial side, promoting something other than that for which the drug was approved. They can't companies can't do that, right, So he pushes Packsloviy. He's got a protocol, David for COVID, right, like you said in your first segment. He loves that narrative, that vaccine,

virus and narrative, so he promotes. And then the NATO Kain story. It's associated with fibrint. There aren't there no proof. And by the way, David, like you mentioned in the first segment, when he throws those studies at you, I want to tell the general public, please don't be intimidated by that, because half of what he throws at you, if you really read beyond the title, is like you said, a facsimile of a segment or a sequence. It has nothing to do. And where's your instrument? I said to him,

where's the instrument? Remember good science, you measure before, then you give your own powder, then you measure it after. Right, where's your instrument that you're using, Peter to measure your pre and post spike proteins and a landline plane. Here if they've never proven that this virus exists, and I'm all about that, I have not seen it proven to me, and its whole and pure form from an ill individual

then how do you believe in the spike protein? How do you believe in a portion of something for which the whole has never been demonstrated?

described it. It's like, yeah, we're gonna we can do this really fast, President Trump, because we'll turn people's bodies into manufacturing facilities. And it's like, okay, let's stop right there. That's enough for a moment.

Eden is a mentor of mine as well. He's the head of their investigative group called Team Enigma. This Pfizer even admitted it in the motion to dismiss argument and Theacks Brockjacks and whistleblowercase. Hey, we weren't making a pharmaceutical product. We were making a military prototype. So there's no labilyeral. Your DoD which is a reco operation just laundering, in laundering and laundering money is actually produced these shots and the material. And here's a scary part, David, we have

more than just h fight on one. You had Albert Burl a year and a half ago. I tried to warn the public admitting in a Davos interview that the fall of twenty twenty three would have seasonal flu shots made entirely of this mRNA poison and god knows what else it's in in injection form, botox, ladies, fillers, childhood schedule. They don't even hide it. It's in the childhood schedule multiple multiple times. So this is a very frightening time for people not to be paying attention.

don't understand what the technocracy is. They want to try to pigeonhole people into some categories political categories that they already know about. Oh well, their conservative or their socialist, or their Marxist or this or that are a populist. But the technocracy thing is a completely different deal. And what confuses them, I think is that it's got you know, it's got a little bit of this, and it's got a little bit of that, but it's got its own thing.

And you know, these people seek to rule the world through their technological prowess and their inventions and that type of thing. And it is a very dangerous, i would say satanic move to think that they're going to become like God, they're going to live forever, They're going to transfer themselves in machines. I mean, that's where they ultimately go. Peter til is right there with Singularity. It is absolutely

amazing to see jd. Vance is now this acolyte of this guy who really you know, put him in, put him into politics, put him into venture capital and all this other kind of stuff. And Peter Till is a guy who created the Singularity Foundation. It's just amazing, unbelievable.

just can't get off the sicophant to look. And I've said, what is he going to do differently if you won't address the issue now of the way warp Speed went by the way. I don't know if people know the state of but warp Speed is in full operation. It is offices and resources and budgets and it's humming along. Where do you think it's going?

going to get rid of that. He didn't get rid of it, and by the time he left it was gigantic. And so we're going to see that with these guys that just headed off to each other in kind of a professional wrestling tag team match, isn't it.

thought I had about Elon Musk. I don't know if you've thought about this, but the fact that starlink is so available in Sheep and everybody wants it in their house, And I'm thinking to myself, guy, Starlink, neurallink. Maybe if you put this thing in your house, what's the same. Maybe it does something with your wife. Why would you want to take the.

off and kill these people in church. You know, they just instantly the flip, the switches flipped, and they start attacking him. Yeah, it's funny how they come up with this crazy stuff. And I tell people all the time that the big mistake that we make is that we I guess we'd say, if we were George W. Bush would say, we misunderestimate the the technology these people have

and how evil they are. You know, they are morally capable of anything, and they're pretty close to technologically capable of anything, and so that's the that's well what we're up against.

this election, I don't believe. I've said many times in my social media we don't have elections anymore. And here's one of the key of features. You know, Trump got taken out by three things right, technically, internet connected voting machines, two weeks of early voting, in those two thousand meal dropboxes. He never said a word about them. Right in this election cycle, the three things that took them out, and those three things are still in place in most counties.

We have twenty thousand drop boxes in Palm Beach County alone, sitting in front of DMVs and other public realism. I'm looking at these things, going why is this still here?

a new civil war. Both sides want to fight over him if he doesn't win. Yeah, I'm concerned about what do you think about that? I mean, you know, they could easily manipulate us into a civil war just by manipulating the election, which is a very concerning thing because we know how they manipulate the.

that was like human flesh. They would use it for ballistics and stuff like that, and the skeleton that you could see inside the head. And they put a red magat cap on it, right, and so, uh so they've got this and they're you know, they get a little bit closer range so they can actually make this shot and they get a shot in the ear and it

and they come back and go, wow. I was surprised because they had a very very fast camera that was on it, so you could see this bullet in slow motion going through it and it opened up a big hole. And they surprised that the day was that it did. And it's like, yeah, and I'm looking at these pictures and I see red, but I don't see any hole or anything torn or anything missing. As the bullet hitting his ear. It really uh you know, like I said,

I don't know what to call this thing. And we've got a lot of different theories out there about a lot of different things. But I got my doubts about

all of it. I'm just concerned about how it's going to be used, and how it's being used is to really again ramp up everybody around Trump for and against and things like that, you know, And it's and so this whole election when we talk about election corruption, I used to be involved in third party politics, and so I know about the ballot when everybody was talking about and said, well, look, you know he put the vote by mail stuff in, and you know, we knew about

the vulnerabilities with machines and the internet. We could have done something about it. We didn't. And then we add this new thing about that. But I said, all the election corruption begins with the ballot. Anal, look at what is happening with a ballot. All these people who voted in the primaries, and of course they did anything they

could to shut down the primaries. Now they're just going to overturn all that and they're going to do their own thing in a couple of weeks, just hand select candidates, because it is a selection. It's not an e election, not at all.

You know, you know when you get they got caught by Isis and they threw an American in like a jumpsuit, and the person would stand there and say, I'm Jim Smith and I hate America, and I'm you know, they were under duress. He just looked. He had that black coat on. He was in front of the Rose Garden and he said, look, we know it was stolen, but you got to go home now. And I'm thinking got to go home now. Our country was just stolen and a coup. Why would we go home. I'm not saying violence.

I'm saying whatever, but have a different solution. And if you thought you if you believed you won, David, if you believed you won from the people, we the people in the United States the presidency, would you have ever walked out of that building. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I'll tell you the other thing that made me suspicious about this event with the ear shooting is look, he's been attacked before, and you've seen him taken off stage.

They immediately surround that. He didn't come back on after that one time where they took him off at the back of the stage, he didn't come back and yeah, raw rah no, they whisked him away and that was the end of it. This one so strange. You're gonna raise your arm Reagan style and expose your trunk in your underarm where they can get into your heart with a shot. I don't think so they knew he wasn't in danger, David, so I just wanted to mention that to him.

it was. It was amazing. Yea, actually, well your point.

on Trump and they cannot make these connections. You know, they absolutely hate the vaccine, but they can't and won't connect it to him. It's an amazing double think, isn't it.

for this man. Even when he starts to talk about making Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, his treasury.

be treasury secretary, just like for Trump. That's why I say there's no difference between these people that you're going to get the same government, because the government is going to be the personnel, are going to be the policy, and you put these people in, you're going to get the policy of Black Rock and Larry Fink. Whether it's Trump upfront or whether it's Hillary, it just makes it

easier for them to control people. I've told these people that when we talk about the Ivermectin thing, well, you know, he tried to tell us about ivermcten. I said, well, why didn't he manufacture it? Look at all the trouble they went to to manufacture the ventilators and they were killing people. He could have ivermectin was cheap to make, and they could you know, and it's not patented anymore. He could have, first of all, could have used as power say nobody is going to stop you from getting

a prescription filled from a doctor. Didn't do that. But if he wants to take this proactive approach and make remedies some of the federal government, I don't know where you find that in the Constitution, But if he wants to do that, then do it with ivermecten. But he didn't. He didn't do it with HGQ either.

got appointments in the administration. And then they started contacting me because I had a little podcast in DC, and they said, doctor Jane, the holdovers are the Obama managers. They're still here and they're writing us up and firing us. So I wrote an article. Great, and then they said, oh, we lost the database. Remember that, the Shawn Spicer database. I mean I wrote a second article saying, hey, loyalists, you're fired, because really, anybody who was loyal to him.

When I was in the Office of Presidential Correspondence in his administration, I would say, oh, my gosh, isn't this great? President Trump? We got somebody in the way, and a lot of them were from the Bush you know, era, and the Obama era, and they just looked at me, and these were Republicans and whatever, and they looked at me and they said, yeah, yeah, that's great. And they walked down the hall I worked in the EEO B and I thought, why aren't they happy like me?

had in Info Wars. Why things blew up there? You know, I was going to tell people that Trump's got another shot, you know, and it's the good shot, and all this

other kind of stuff. It's crazy. And then when you look at January the sixth, you know, it was December the fourteenth, it'd already had the Electoral College votes sent in, and at that point, you know, they could have done something, as I've said many times in the audience, they could have done something at the state legislatures, but they didn't. And so at that point it really was it really was too late. But the whole thing, the whole genesis

of this is just based on such incredible lies. You know, just a couple of days after the election, and even see Bennon talking about it to that group of people with the Chinese billionaire Guo telling them, yeah, on October thirty first, he said, yeah, when it happens, we're just going to tell everybody we want. And so that's the kind of thing that I'm concerned about, is that this election is going to be used to push us into more open conflict because they know the season that we're in,

and most people don't. Everybody talks about millennial this and boom er that and all the rest of the stuff. But the people came up with a term millennial and gen Z and gen X and everything. They had a very good theory about every eighty years everything turns around. And we're in the center of that, right, and we've only got about another four or five years for this

stuff to be finished. And they're looking at all the institutions being changed, and I think that's why we're seeing so much chaos and why everything is being thrown out there. They understand, as Fauci did when he said in October twenty nineteen, how are we going to get everybody to take a vaccine? He was asked at Milkin Institute, and he said, well, we do it from the inside. We do it with chaos, and we do it ineratively. That's

everything that they're doing right now. They're deliberately creating chaos or the inside, and they're continually escalating that chaos.

nurses who stayed in the hospitals and the doctors. You are enabling this big, gigantic system to continue to kill people. Whether you're doing it yourself physically or not, you are enabling the system. And even though a few of them raw raw. And I've gotten into private email tussles with Senator Ron Johnson. Happy to show those because they're actually

public information. In my opinion, it was an official email, you know, by a government official where he feigned indignation, and I said, you're only using this for your next reelection campaign. You may talk and have all these hearings, like you know Marjory Trader Green and some of these other people you know who likes to stand in her bikini, but you're not going to do anything. You could have hauled this company, Feizer or Journal, all these companies in

you could tie them up in discovery. There's a lot you can do, even as one, you know, senator or Representative David I tell people, don't even look to Congress. I told Brad Miller the Military Accountability Project friends of mine. I love my military. It's one of the reasons I came out in this whole thing four years ago. I've said, stop, you know, getting gaslighted by Congress, because they're going to

take you to a few parties on the hill. I've been there, done that, selfies with famous people, and you're going to go home. They're not going to do a damn thing about the military that are still under mandates in many areas of the military, and you know all that. But this this is a big concern.

of different ways. They could cut the money to these people, but they don't. That's their key weapon, and they keep funding everything, including you know, foreign wars and all the rest of the stuff that they complain about. All they do is show these have these hearings. The argument that you made in terms of enabling them as one that

I've actually made about schools for example. You know, it's like, yeah, we got good teachers, and unfortunately, many times what happens is these these you know, when you have a good teacher in school that gets people let their guard down. It's like, well, you know, yeah, but maybe they are really an excellent teacher, but they can't really change that institution that's there. Instead, what it does is it builds people's confidence and something that is really going to rip

their kids apart. And so I understand which argument is there about even.

it just goes on and on and on. It's every president, it's every Congress. But we're living with this Congress right now. And I just can't stand people like, you know, just not realizing. I mean, you know, it's Trey Goudy's I used to say, all hearings, no action, right like Texas, you got all all had no cattle. You look rich, but you're not really doing anything. You don't have any cattle. And this is going to go on and on and and you know, David, I take the sling and arrows

every day. You're this, you're fake, you're that, okay. And then eventually when they see that Congress has allowed this and they've been you know, by the way, they should be incensed that Congress exempted themselves from these shots. Hello, and their three thousand staffers and eight hundred what is it eight hundred thousand Chinese Exchange students. How interesting.

this more thought. But here's what I tell people. Okay, then this none of us is going to change anything at the federal level. It's such a behemoth, it's such a dangerous monster. We are being run by foreign and domestic enemies. There's every bit of evidence to show this. It's all out there if you just take the time to do it. So what does that mean? We all need to stay healthy mentally, physically, keep our families going

because we need to survive in order to thrive. On the other side of this, I am hopeful David Hope is not a plan. I'm very much focused at what I'm doing in my spheres. I have military intelligence, I have political intelligence, I have all kinds of resources that I put together every day. And what we're all doing and talking about is, yes, I'm still going to help educate the public and do my thing a little bit, but I'm going to focus more on the solutions, and

for me, the solutions start local. I've said to people, it's very basic, and I don't like when people throw out meat and say, oh, it's local. Start there. So let me give a couple of pieces of that. Look around you now. I know it sounds silly. Who's got an American flag on their home or apartment in your neighborhood? Who is of like mind that you already know in your family you have people who hate you now because

of this, and people who are of like mind. Your neighbors, your family, get your community, get your barriers, set up, not necessarily a fence, but hey, look if stuff goes south. Look, I'm a nurse practitioner, you're a carpenter, you're a loot. Okay, we're going to support each other and create an infrastructure parallel so that we can stay off of their grid as much as possible. Off the grid is independent and you can protect yourselves. Maybe we won't see it in

our lifetime. I don't think i'll see it. I'm way too old, but I do believe that in it'll take a generation or two and people will look back and say, boy, they were right, they understood what we're doing. I'm glad we followed their lead because you need to survive this oncoming thing that's happening in our government, in our country

in order to get to the other side. So yes, you need to ask yourselves and your family if we couldn't get to an on grid store for twelve months, let's go the worst possible that you could think of, what would we eat? Where would we get the intermittent power electricity? What do we have to protect our resources that we were smart enough? Right, So you better have some firearms, you better have some perimeter and those kinds of things that gives people working things to do that

we'll come back to serve them. And then just don't send any money. Please, don't send money the RNC or to anybody, any congress.

alliances with people. We need to learn that real prepping is really about skills. It's not just about accumulating stuff and so and that's what I want people. That's why I say, you know, when we look at the elections, you know, it is a big distraction. It is a big reality TV show, and I think it's there to distract us and to move us away from the things that we could do that would really make a difference.

And that is all local, all the things that are going to make a difference, and we still have an opportunity to do some things individually as well as even in some areas you might have some ability to do things at local government. Because we saw a big difference and what was happening in twenty twenty with those lockdowns, it was a big difference from place to place. I traveled across the country and said that really hammered home the point to me that you know, we need to

focus a little bit more on the local area. There can be a lot of corruption anywhere that you go. I mean, we're dealing with people. There can be corruption, but there's also more of an opportunity to do something at the local level. Even Elon Musk tried to explain that to people that Soros was smart because he was leveraging his money on local district attorneys and that is a very cynical thing that he's doing, but it is a good strategy because all politics is local, but your

life is really local. And if you don't have this kind of a relationship with other people, and I would also say a relationship with God, because I look at hope, I'm looking at that as a confident expectation. That's my groundings that's what I know that I can trust on and that anybody's going to take that away from me no matter what happens life or death. And so you got to have a foundation, you got to have relationships, and you got to start building from the ground up

instead of from the top down everybody. That's the thing that's so annoying to me is to see that conservatives have bought into this idea of top down solutions from government. They want the government, they want the president to do everything. It's just amazing, Savior.

you can start to forgive yourself. I made a mistake that was wrong. I was trying to do something good and protect my family. But then you can then start to heal spiritually and ask God for comfort and support and miracles of healing, and for forgiveness, for forgiveness for not recognizing the delusion that He had sent so many of us.

mistakes so you don't make them again. But it's also that is absolutely necessary that we come to grips with the uncomfortable realities that we have in life, and that includes our own uncomfortable reality. So that is absolutely important, and that is what is missing from so many different things. People will just run from these problems and you how to confront them.

my god, doctor z how could you say that? You know, people are dying, the shots a whole bit and there was a pause, and then he said, because we are the enemy has revealed himself and we are about to see the light overcome the darkness.

God knows everything about us. He does we need to know about ourselves, and that's really what kind of comes out of these tests. So it is a very difficult time. It's an important time for people who are going to just do their best. Anybody can be mistaken, but we just have to do our best to tell people what is true. If we see something that is out there, we need to warn them about it. That's what I appreciate you doing that and telling people honestly, regardless of

how it's going to be received. You know, the truth is the truth, and we have to tell people about that.

And that's a whole other topic.

and all the rest of the stuff. It's about surveillance, tracking, anticipating what people are going to do, manipulating them, punishing them in advance because they you know, kind of this pre crime thing. They called it anticipatory intelligence. It has been around for a while, but they're making it real. And the people who made it real and made a fortune off of it are the ones who are supporting Jade. Vance is very concerning. I'm very concerned.

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He is president of a software systems company, Simpatico, software engineer and entrepreneur specializes in database technologies and groundbreaking projects such as the country's first statewide debit card benefits system in Texas. He saved them billion dollars off of the fraud and waste and their snap programs. But as he said, he wasn't really interested in getting involved in politics, But

sometimes we find that politics is interested in us. In the past decade, he's analyzed voter data from more than forty states. The few that he has yet to analyze do not provide their data to the public. He has served as an expert and legal challenges that involve voting data, vote to fraud, and election integrity. So we'll talk to him about all of these things and about what he has learned as he investigates us. What can we do to make sure that we have honest elections that are

not going to be contested. Thank you for joining us.

Trump was furious at Governor Kemp. I didn't talk about Raffensburger, but they have in the past, and so you know he is and I said this about him. I said, it's unfortunate that he is so focused on revenge that he can't be focused on even winning, let alone on reform. And so I want to talk about that. But before we get into what we can do for reform, tell us a little bit about your take on what happened in Georgia where you investigated.

The idea that if the election goes one way as opposed to another, that the only explanation for it must have been fraud is not an accurate way to depict what happened in these elections and in Georgia in twenty twenty, there are there's a ready explanation for what happened, and Georgia is maybe in a lot of ways the closest state that we have in terms of being evenly divided

between Democrats and Republicans. The results of the twenty twenty election have been gone up and down and backwards and votes and sideways, and there really hasn't surfaced any credible claim of voter fraud that could be proven. And in my work for the Trump campaign, I was hired very specifically to do data analytics that would stand up in

a court of law. My job was to find enough voter fraud to matter in one of the swing states, document it, and have it be so rock solid that when it got taken to court, the other side's experts wouldn't be able to tear it apart. That's sort of the gold standard when you're dealing with legal challenges to elections. You have to have a foundation of fact in which to be successful in court. And the simple fact of the matter is whether it was Georgia or any of

the other swing states. While we found some voter fraud, we didn't find nearly enough to cover the margin of victory, and the margin of victory in Georgia was roughly twelve thousand votes, it was roughly eleven thousand votes in Arizona, roughly ninety thousand votes in Pennsylvania. And in none of those states did we find enough voter fraud to cover what those margins were. And that's just a plain statement

of fact. There were so many election challenges that failed in the court system because the nature of their proof wasn't acceptable proof in courts of law, right, And that's.

these states had Republican legislatures. Were they ever talking about presenting a case to the legislature to get them to acknowledge a Republican slate of electors officially, and then you would have had, as Thomas Massey talked about, as Pence talked about, as JD. Vans recently talked about, to have then a court case as to who gets to decide who the electors are. Is it going to be the governor and the executive branch? Is it going to be

the legislative branch. Was there EVERYNY talk about taking the case to the legislatures?

did it occur? You know, many members of legislators don't have that in their background. So it would be my preference that if it's going to be contested, that it gets contested in a venue where they can handle highly technical presentations and digest the facts. And our court system does that all the time. Legislatures typically don't. So that's just from a process perspective, that's kind of where I'm at.

In Georgia. There are three different data points that really helped document what really happened in Georgia, and I know that in a lot of conservative circles, Secretary of Raethenisberger is not well liked. But the data that he brought forward and can document has documented, and it's hard proof. He showed that about thirty thousand GOP presidential primary voters in Georgia in twenty twenty took pass on the general election. Those are lost presidential votes for President Trump, and he

lost by fewer than twelve thousand votes. Now, those thirty thousand votes were probably moderate Republicans, call um rhinos, whatever you want to call them, who probably voted against Trump in the primary and then decided they couldn't they couldn't

bear to vote in the general election. And there was another thirty thousand votes that Raefensberger brought forward and has the proof for that showed that the presidential selection was left blank, but all the down ticket Republicans received votes. And again that's a sort of symbolic protest votes by very likely middle of the road Republicans who liked down ticket gops but didn't like what was at the top

of the ticket. And that's hard evidence to overcome, and there's really no credible fraud that you can look at that comes close to having the solidity of the numbers that Raffensberger brought forward that matches with my nationwide findings are and those are basically that Trump lost about two and a half percent support across the board everywhere in twenty twenty relative to twenty sixteen. And those are the rhinos. I'm pretty sure those are the rhinos who took a

hike and left. It's not a lot of voters, but in a whisker close election, it was enough most.

to vote one way or the other. Is were mail ballots used for in some nefarious way to were's massive mail ballot fraud happening? And I didn't see evidence of that. I mean, to commit mail ballot fraud, you're either going to steal someone's identity and vote as somebody else, or you're going to steal a deceased person's identity and do that. And we found a couple a dozen dead votes in most of the swing states. We found a couple one hundred duplicate votes across the swing states, and the campaign

spared no expense on this. We exhaustively looked at every single mail ballot to ensure that the person in whose name that mail ballot was cast was among the living.

those different things. Many states made voting by mail easier in twenty twenty, the hardest state in the country to vote by mail is I believe it's Louisiana that has a very strict usage in terms of who can use it under what circumstances, So it's all over the map. I didn't see any artisan slant to the mail ballot fraud that we did find. It was pretty evenly divided by Democrats, Republicans, independents. And that's been the case of

all the voter fraud I've documented over the years. I have yet to find a form of voter fraud where when it happens, it's just sort of a bipartisan activity.

even a driver's license and so on. Election day, this friend of my brothers brother in law goes in and to regually gives them his name in address, and he said, you've aready voted, and so is this other person that you're addressing. He said, well, that's my mom. She's been dead for several years. So how do you audit that to know if that is happening in Georgia for example.

was cast. Why did you find election? Like I said, you know, we found a couple at most a couple a dozen in each swing state, not nearly enough to matter. I did predict because I had done an analysis in Pennsylvania about a month before the election. I found a couple of recently registered dead voters, and I predicted that those would become mail ballot fraud, and they did.

for duplicate votes, I looked for dead voters. And then the campaign used my company to help vet every claim of voter fraud that came their way, and there were a lot of them from outside of the campaign asking He asked us to vet them, determine whether they were true or not before they would consider taking those claims into court. So they were operating in a very careful, methodical way. They asked us to review about twenty different claims of fraud. Some of them came in through folks

like Sidney Powell and John Eastman. Others came through academics, just random people out there who did their own research. And every one of the twenty different claims that we looked at, we were able to show why it was wrong. When we wrapped things up towards the end of November, Cannon took the summation of everything that we had done and went to Mark Meadows and told Meadows that when it came to vot voter fraud, we looked pretty exhaustively

at it. All the claims we looked at were false and we couldn't find enough voter fraud to have changed the outcome in any election.

weeks before the Electoral College voted. Uh, and then again about another about I guess six weeks or so before the January the sixth thing they had those results in. What did you think about the stop the Steel stuff? You mentioned that that you debunked fraud claims while I was advancing to stop the steel initiative. Tell us a little bit about that.

year ago. Really, so uh, it's the you know, the whole problem would stop the steal and with a lot of so many people believe firmly that the election was stolen, but that belief is based upon a set of facts that's at best really really squishy right. What I mean by that is the facts on which the claims are being made that everybody is grabbing onto and says it was stolen can't possibly ever stand up in court, usually for a really basic reason, because that reason is it's

more usually it's hearsay evidence. What I mean by that, hearsay is often defined as he said, she said type stuff, right, And our courts don't allow that kind of evidence on which to convict somebody because someone can easily be lying about that right. The court systems want to see fact based evidence that can be double and triple checked, hard facts, and most of most of the evidence that people are being presented as evidence that the election was stolen is

squishy evidence. It's not the kind of evidence that you could take to court and win. And that, to me is really something that I have a problem with because you know, I'm a data guy. I take data to court, and my data survives legal scrutiny, right, So if you can't find data that survives legal scrutiny, I think it's sketchy to start bringing forward data that can't and then using that information to really get people amped up about what happened in our election. I do not believe that

the election was stolen. I believe that the election in twenty twenty was lost.

these people who rig the election. Now, that obviously was true, and that wasn't going to go down that path. So we had all kinds of stuff, But it was so many people. Even weeks after that, when there was absolutely no evidence of any National Guard troops or any arrests or whatever, they were still pushing that. So I can imagine that somebody saying, yeah, we got pictures of or I know personally about somebody's stuff in a ballot box.

That's going to be much more believable than the other stuff that the people were fighting about and willing to go to the mat to say, yes, there is some secret war that is going on, maybe in Germany, maybe some places in the United States where people are actually you know, fighting and going to war over this. It

really was a strange situation. One more thing I'd like to talk about before we start talking about how to reform this stuff, and that is the exit polls, which have kind of come in to play again with this

as well. In election the State Department has always used Edison Research, which is the exit polling organization here in the United States, and they say that and they use them in other countries as well, and they say that if the difference between Edison Researches exit polls and the official results are more than five points away from each other, that looks like it's a rigged election. Now it's just one particular company, and of course that company can be

rigged as well. We don't know about their integrity, but it is the company that is used for the exit polls by all of the media organizations in the United States. They typically don't give us I've never seen them give us a total and say, well, here's what they say the total is, and compare that to what the reported votes were they'll give you demographic cross tabulations. You know, how many men or how many women or this or

that voted for this candidate. But was there ever any talk about looking at the exit polls anything about that.

as a Republican, Fabrizio was my poster as well. So I'd just like to put that out there because I'm talking about him, and I just didn't want to do that without disclosing that. Fabrizio conducted a thirty thousand interview exit poll across all the Swing states, and he created an internal campaign document that leaked, and that document made its way to politico dot com, so anyone can find

it there. But what he determined was that one out of six votes voters that they spoke with were disaffect did Republicans who chose to vote against Trump in that twenty twenty race. Another one out of six voters were brand new voters motivated to vote against Trump because of COVID. So that's that's a full third of the voters that they had identified were strongly against Trump for different sets

of reasons. So exit polls are typically taken to the bank type things, right, They're usually considered to be pretty accurate, and I've not ever heard of somebody manipulating the results of an exit pole. I don't know much, hardly anything at all about what's going on down invent In, Venezuela right now, other than it's a messy So.

four years ago. The way we conduct our elections in this country is the way we've done it for hundreds of years, and it no longer makes any sense, and it causes us some real problems. And the biggest set of problems that we have is that different states, and many times different counties in the same state, conduct the same election differently. They have different rules, they have different regulations,

they have different hardware. And I'll give you just a simple example of how these differences can actually affect the outcome of a specific vote. What do you think happens if you vote early but then die before election day? Does your vote count or does your vote not count?

as you cast the vote while you're alive. If you happen to then pass away before election day, in Pennsylvania, the vote still counts. So it becomes you can see how just that one scenario clauses a voter that we imagine is in this situation to have a very different experience as a dead voter in Michigan as it does opposed to Pennsylvania.

Do they know the postmark date and the person name on the ballot.

anything about those voters. They did, in fact vote by mail as deceased voters, and it was only after the election that the people behind those votes were contacted, arrested, and they pled guilty to election crimes for casting fraudginal votes. It's really hard. In fact, it's so hard to identify whether or not someone is living or dead. I think that the only reasonable thing to do is to probably allow the votes as long as you're alive when you

cast the vote. I think that the vote should count because it's just so hard for states to determine otherwise inside a crazy window of time where they're trying to do a lot of other things, you know. And again, we only were able to do what we did in terms of identifying deceased registered voters because the Trump campaign basically provided an unlimited pile of money that we were able to spend to do so accurately.

of the ballot had to be retained. You had the guy who was in charge of the Board of Elections would send out a statement to all of the counties saying you don't have to retain it, and they would not retain it in a lot of these counties, and so that made the auditing process really difficult. But I think maybe you know a lot of people who are looking at let's just go simple, let's go to handcounted ballots.

We know that people can always stuff stuff, but if you've got hand county ballots and you got observers from both sides, it seems to me like you need to have something like that where people can have some confidence that the fraud has been kept to a minimum, that there's been eyes on this, that they have have done that. What do you think about that? What are your recommendations in terms of paper ballots. I know that's a big paper chase, but what would you say about that?

million voters that vote and its elections. On your typical Maricopa County ballot, there's anywhere between twenty and thirty different races on that ballot. It just depends on the year and where you are in the cycle of different things, which means that in your typical election year Amercopa, you have to if you're going to count by hand, you have to tally up twenty to thirty million different distinct

votes across all the different races that are there. That is a phenomenally large amount of votes, and no human counting effort will ever be anywhere near as accurate as a machine count can be. The problem and the worry about the machines is that they can be hacked, that they can be programmed maliciously before the election, that kind

of thing. And I look at what the casino industry does and brought them in my background, I've done a lot of work in the gaming industry over the years, many many many casino management systems have defensive software built into every one of those slot machines so that they know if the software deviates from what it should be. And I won't get into the technical details of it, but it's something that you can absolutely do, and it's something that you can absolutely bring forward into the election

machine software. We have the ability to know with confidence what software is running on those machines, and we should be using it. And as I said to Mike, Lindell is one of the big, big pushers of we need to be counting by hand. We need to be counting by hand. And what I'll say is, first of all, there's just no way that you can count thirty million votes accurately by hand. First of all, it would take forever to do that right. You would need an army

of people conducting the count. And then you know, human beings make mistakes in that whole thing. It's just it is too big a job, I think to do it, to do it manually. And as I said to Mike, I said, Mike, the problem is you're talking about squishy reasons to count the mallets by hand, but you actually haven't pointed out something that is an actual risk that's happened that justifies making such a big change. So should

we harden our machines one hundred percent? And we should have federal guidelines that all the machines have to adhere to so that we can have some confidence that they have not been hacked, and that the software that they're running has been vetted and is working the way it needs to, and all that kind of thing. That's technology

that's already in place. I just don't see how. I mean, if you or I were to sit down and start tallying votes on a ballot, maybe we could tally if it worked really fast, five hundred votes an hour, right, maybe? I mean, you know, and now think about thirty getting to thirty million votes five hundred votes an hour at a time. This tells you how big the number is. The number is probably sixty thousand hours of work to

get that done in Maricopa. And I don't think going back to the Stone age for how we count votes is going to be a workable answer for us in this modern age.

whether or not it's connected to the internet. Uh, and whether or not somebody can reprogram it with you know, by putting a thumb drive on there and installing some software. How do you guard against that type of thing, that kind of custody of the machine, for example, So you.

clean as it can be. And one of the problems with having the states do their own voter registration maintaining their voter roles differently from each other is you end up with some states that do a really good job at it, and you do you have some states that do an absolutely terrible job at it, and the terrible side of things, I'm going to offer up two states

New Jersey and New York. In New Jersey in twenty twenty, there were roughly twenty five thousand voters registered who had a year of birth of eighteen hundred, which, if you do the math, you realize that there's just no way that any human being in twenty twenty had a birthdate of eighteen hundred. And of those twenty five thousand registered voters with a birth date of eighteen hundred, eight thousand

cast votes in twenty twenty. Now, some of your listeners are going to be like, holy moly, that's voter fraud. It's probably not what happens in a lot of different computer systems, and this is happening in New Jersey system. If they don't have a data berth for a voter, they stick eighteen hundred in there as a placeholder. They didn't have anything else. So eight thousand voters in New Jersey cast votes in twenty twenty. That state election officials

don't know when those voters were born. Now that's a problem all by itself, and it's one that election officials in New Jersey still haven't fixed. They have really really dirty data, right, and you see all kinds of different ways that dirty data can impact registered voters and ultimately can even impact whether people should be voting or not. Right.

I think in New Jersey you might find maybe some of those eight thousand voters shouldn't have been voting for some reason, but the state can't identify who those voters are. You have to know someone's data birth to be able to identify them using data, and New Jersey can't do that. New York has a very similar problem and some worse ones.

And I don't want to get too far into it, but there are millions of votes that happen in New York State in twenty twenty by voters that they cannot identify because those voters don't have a social Security number of driver's license on file with election. That's an extraordinary thing, and it's a huge problem for New York election officials because they can't possibly maintain the data in their system

without having that information. That's just two examples. When you move from one state to another, some states are able to track down the movement and cancel the registration for when somebody moves from state to state. A lot of other states cannot, and so we end up with people with duplicate registrations. We end up sometimes with people with four or five duplicated registrations. There's all manner of stuff

like that that's happening. And for me, as a technology professional, I can't stand the fact that our elections depend on data that at times can be extraordinarily dirty. And we have the techechnology and the means to fix this, and I think it's criminal that we don't.

standard and some kind of inspectors. I mean, I think one of the reasons we have the kind of system that we've got is because there was an aversion to centralizing things because if you centralize things, now you've got one point that you can corrupt or you can infiltrate, and now you've got the entire system. So there's a danger in centralization as well. How would this work out?

Most large states make the responsibility of elections at the county level, and so in many ways we have as many as four thousand or five thousand different election systems that all do things a bit differently from each other technologically speaking, the right answer, and we would eliminate most of the voter integrity issues that we suffer from if

we had a federalized voter registry. I understand with states' rights and a whole bunch of either ideological arguments or even the security argument of well, you know, if you have just one, you know what happens. I don't believe that the voting should happen on a federal level with just one system, but I do believe that the voter

registration should be done that way. So if somebody hacks a voter registration system, and by the way, how many counties do you know that have high quality data employees working for them technologists?

We live in a in a society, in an age where there probably isn't a computer system anywhere that's hardened well enough to prevent someone who's really determined to get at it to get at it. Uh, you have to watch it really carefully, and you have to see what. You have to have the surveillance systems in place to know when it's happening and to stop it before it goes.

You can put that sort of stuff in front of a system like the If we were to do a federalized voter registration system, I think that that system should all have biometrics on it. You know, we use social security numbers as the most sensitive identifier we have. Right, if you're working at a job, you have to supply your social Security number. It's how you file your taxes, all this stuff. You have to give a social Security number to any banks that you want to open up

bank accounts with. And the problem is hackers have every one of our social security numbers, all of them, right, They've been hacked so many times it's no longer secure. I think we should replace social security numbers with a new identifier. We're the only first world country that doesn't have a national identifier.

to have some kind of a centralized ID. You know, that kind of flows into a CBDC type of scenario and other other concerns about a global ID, and so that that gets a lot a lot of people to take the safety off their gun when you start talking about that, Dimathe.

If we go ultra crude like that, I know it's a big hassle to count this stuff, but I mean, if people really wanted a system, they would invest the time in terms of maybe volunteering or something like that. I know that's idealistic, but I mean, why not go ultra low tech one day and the purple thumb?

type of thing. You're always going to have that I guess the thing for me personally, and I've talked about this, I said, because what scares me about the computerized voting is that if you're able to hack the actual voting system, you know, different from the from the ID stuff, but if you're able to hack the actual voting system that gives you access from a remote area to be able to manipulate things across the country, or you can manipulate from the top of the ballot to the bottom of

the ballot. I mean once you get if you get in there, the payoff is so incredibly large that it really is a big honeypot, you know, for people. In terms of the allure, I think, no.

will and money. But I don't know how we don't insist that the same protections that go into slot machines aren't already in most of the machines that conduct our elections. I know some of the machines that conduct our elections do have this in there. They all should have it, and if we have that, I think we can all rest a bit easier about it.

sure it is very interesting. I think people be interested to see what you found that people are still talking about, and more importantly, what does that portend for the election that's coming up now and I guess maybe about ninety days or something like that, and what can we do. Certainly there's not going to be a thing that we can do to fix it between now and then, but it gives us some idea of what we can still expect. But then we really do need to take I think

one thing. Everybody agrees that we need to do something to make the electoral system more trustworthy, that people have a confidence that their vote is counted and counted accurately. I think that is a paramount importance, and so it's very I'm glad to see that you wrote a book about your experience with that. And again, the book is disproven my unbiased search for voter fraud for the Trump campaign and the data that shows why he lost and how we can improve our elections. And by the way,

you can find this at kenblock dot com. There's a link there to buy the book and you can get information about it. There. Anything else you'd like to tell us about the book before we run out of time.

There is a lot of over agreement overlap in agreement on some of the things that we should be doing to make our elections better. And we need to move beyond where we're at in terms of our discussions of elections and looking backwards and dealing with whatever happens here in November. To move forward, we need to have an adult conversation about making our elections better and get in to it and taking this moment in time to really improve things.

is that is really key. So again, you've got the second half of your book is about your recommendations for how to do that from somebody who is an expert on auditing it. And you've seen the tricks that can be pulled, and so that is no system is going to be perfect. Any system can be infiltrated and has its own flaws and so the question is what do we do to try to minimize that and mitigate those risks. So thank you so much for the work that you do. And again you can find this at kenblock dot com

and the book is disproven. Thank you so much, sir, appreciate it.

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that because they want to bring it back. We have to remember what happened and say never again. Lisa is a wife, mother, and grandmother. She married her high school sweetheart at the age of eighteen and never looked back, she says. Lisa and her husband have eight beautiful children and by the end of the year they will have eighteen grandchildren. Congratulations, that's wonderful. They've owned and operated businesses for well over thirty years. They know what they're doing.

Most businesses, if they're going to fail, they fail within the first five years. You've done this for thirty years, So thank you for joining us. Lisa, I appreciate you coming on and telling us your story.

We just had the whole gamut of a really great vibe and a great experience for people just to kind of come in, turn it off and just sit and enjoy great business. I know that it was a well loved business, and I know that it is missed only because I have people still stop me on the street saying,

we really miss your restaurants so great. It was kind of always a dream of mine and my husband's, and we kind of modeled our business after some of the European bistros that we have visited as we've had the opportunity to travel. So great, little business, A lot of fun, that's great. A lot of hard work, a lot of hard work, a lot of fun.

all of a sudden, you're declared non essential. And that was one of the things that really bothered me that happened to us. Once during a major storm, they allowed walmarts open up, but they declared us to be non essential, and they sent the police around to shut us down when we opened up. And to me, one of the key things that really bothered me about this whole lockdown is how they would say that the big Wall Street companies, the big big box companies that trade their stock on

Wall Street, they're essential, like the walmarts. But all the mom and pops are not essential because most of the mom and pops are going to be involved in service businesses. And so they came after the restaurants, and they came after the nail salons and the barbershops and all the rest of this stuff that were in service businesses and said you're non essential and we're going to shut you down. They came after Main Street while they protected Wall Stree

and they called us non essential. So what was it like when this all rolled out? What happened?

there should have been. There was a lot of I believe that he has acted criminally. The governor has acted criminally, and he should be he should be prosecuted.

power because they didn't want to directly order it from Washington. Instead, they you know, Trump financed the money and when people were really up against it and had lost jobs and lost were losing businesses and everything. He tries to paper it over and assuage their anger by putting out the PPP and the Cares Act. How did that help? Did that help you out?

do you do with that? You know, when we were going through this in twenty twenty, we we did consent because we didn't know what else to do, to be honest with you, until the second full shutdown came for dine in restaurants being one of the businesses that was shut down. Ours was a ninety ninety five percent dining in company, and there's no way that we could have survived. We didn't really survive. We were hanging on by a thread,

and not even really that. I told my husband, I said, if he does this again, if he goes, if he shuts us down completely, if he shuts us down at all any more than what we already are, and we're almost done anyway, We're almost down of business because we've exhausted everything we've got. Right, you know how that works. You've got to have revenue coming in to be able to you know, pay your bills, pay your employees, and advance the business.

You can do take out, carry out delivery right, all of those, but you can't do any dying ins and again for most businesses, and none of it made any sense.

still can't cover what is happening. You know, it isn't evenly distributed. It's all clumped into the weekends and things like that. So if they limit your maximum capacity. They can put you out of business pretty easily, right and think about it.

off the debt. You know, even though we were not turning any revenue, so close our doors forever. Or Option number two was to open up fully because why not we have that right. There was no law. I did not violate any laws. I'm a law abiding I'm a law biding citizen, a law biding grammar, and so no laws were broken, and so we decided we took option number two. With the help of an organization in Minnesota that put together a plan of action. I thought it

was a very solid plan. They invited all businesses that wanted you to open up together on the same day. I thought it was a great plan and here's what you know. They gave suggestions on how this would be, how we would orchestrate this. And if you get the call from the state, which you likely will, you're going to here. Here's what we suggest that you say. And so anyway, the plan rolled out, we got on board. I forget the exact date, December, I apologize.

whole week after, and then it just continued. So what happened though, David, and this was the fail two hundred businesses approximately two hundred give or take signed up to get on board about within twenty four hours after there were only ten of us were still open. Everybody else had consented to close down.

and you know, the state can handle. That state can come. If it had been two hundred, the state wouldn't have been able to handle. And that was the whole, you know, point of doing this, but show the state we were not we're not consenting to their tyrannical orders which carry no weight of law.

I submitted to the court. So what happened long story short is we went to trial on one of the criminal cases in twenty twenty one, And yes, it was twenty twenty one December, and I went in front of a jury of six pre trial determined a very terrible thing. That is again, I can't believe it still, I just can't believe in an American court of law, it was determined that I would not be allowed to present my defense.

My defense being constitutional, statutory, and case law, all relevant of course to the case, all relevant to this mandate that the governor had considered, and a lot of people considered law, it was not law.

You're presenting a defense. Did you have legal counsel? He had a lawyer reporting you, or do you represent yourself?

He looked at and he said, you know, they're going to send me to jail for a very long time. And so he said, I wanted to dream nullfication. He couldn't find a lawyer that was going to do it, and he said, I figured that they were probably going to be some people on board. I looked at public opinion and I realized that, you know, a little bit more than half the people were not really on board

with marijuana prohibition in New Jersey. So I thought I could get some sympathy about that and try jury nullification in his first trial. It is explicitly mentioned in the New Jersey Constitution that a jury's duty is to judge not just to facts the case, but whether or not they agree with the law and the punishment. And so he put that he had that printed, and he put it up on the desk there where he was sitting, and the judge said, take that down right now. I'm

going to put you in jail for contempt. And so he put it down, but he said the jury had already seen it, and they voted seven to twelve to quit him, so it was a hung jury. And so then the district attorney came after him a second time, and in the second trial he did the same thing, but that judge let it stay up and what was in the constitution there, and they quitted him twelve to nothing. So there's nothing they could do about it. And that's where I had them on to talk about dream mulification.

But that's a very powerful thing if it's there. But again, you know, in these politicized cases, these judges rig everything. I've seen it over and over again.

But so right, so we were going on the premise we had some there were so many levels that we were hitting as far as this is unconstitutional, this is even not when when emergency executive order that Governor Walls issued, Actually the emergency executive order doesn't speak to the people directly to the people or control over the people or to dictate the people's lives. Emergency executive order applied to the executive branch. It applied to those that worked in

the executive branch. And we proved that on paper using the all all the resources that we needed to use, and it was ignored. It was absolutely ignored. Anything that should have caused this case to be absolutely dismissed, thrown out, they just ignored. They did not answer any of our objections or any of our facts to the situation. They

didn't answer any of our documents at all. And again, every every level, every court was in lockstep with the with the previous court agree with the Okay, so you are much more familiar.

next point, we're not going to talk about that. And and I've heard that story over and over again, same thing they did to you railroading people. I says. Why I say, people, be very careful if you're going to become a tax protester or a sovereign citizen, because you're not going to get a fair trial. You can be right, it can be one hundred percent right, and you're not going to get a fair trial if this is a political issue. And again I've seen it in these other things,

like with Silk Road. They wanted to come after the quote unquote dark web and bitcoin and things like that. So if they've got a political agenda, and they certainly got a political agenda when it comes to the income tax stuff, they will just the word goes out. They know what they're doing and they're gonna they're gonna shut you down. Peter Schiff's father, Irwin shift I met him.

He was at a convention and he was, you know, standing there like Lenny Bruce after his trials for speech and everything, and he was up on a box like a soapbox, and he's talking about his trial and going through the transcript and anything. So I said this, and then they just said, you know, just threw that out and all the rest of the stuff. But this is what the law says. And so I've seen that over and over again, how crooked and dishonest our courts are.

And that's why the jury nullification thing is so important. But most people don't have the courage and the conviction to do what you did, which is to defy this tyranny. And that's what's necessary, because if you don't have people who are going to stand up to it again, like you said, I that had two hundred businesses or even more, they could have stopped this. But if it's only a couple of people, they won't hammer you down right exactly.

this guy, Clay Jenkins. A couple of years prior to that, they had an illegal immigrant who had come into the country and he had ebola, and Clay Jenkins was coming in and telling everybody, it's a big deal. It's not a big deal. Look, you know, we got football games coming up. We got Dallas and Houston are playing. Go to the football game. It's not anything to worry about. We got all these hospitals, they can treat you with anything.

And they took this guy and this guy did not This guy did die and he got two nurses sick. They had Fauci come in, Francis Collins come in, everybody saying, oh, it's great, it's no problem. But then when Shelley Luther and this is you know, Bolo was serious and they killed that guy, Shelley Luther says, I'm not going to shut down. And the same guy who was telling everybody go ahead and do everything comes after her and I'm

going to put her in jail. I mean, it's amazing how inconsistent and hypocritical they are and how they will focus this. It was totally political. It was psychological what they were doing. Now, did they put you in jail?

find out, but I have not done that. It was the prosecutor ended up being the city attorney of Albert Lee, Minnesota. And Albert Lee just you know here here we raised our family in the area for at that point, for about thirty years whatever. It was big family. All of our children lived in the area at that time, almost all of them. We had another business, which was my husband's company that we had built thirty year business and that was right there in Albert Lee. And yet I

was treated, I was treated as an actual criminal. I had, you know, we had churched in the area. I had volunteered and worked in children's ministries for decades. So you put all this together and then the city just you know, allows you to be prosecuted and persecuted. It was shameful for Albert Lee to allow this. They didn't have to allow it, but nobody stood up. I had a conversations my husband, I had conversations with the sheriff at the time,

with the chief of police. We'd invite them in, sit down and have a cup of coffee in our restaurant, and they were there. They were with me. They were with me until push came to shove, and then they hands off. They didn't want to have anything to do with me because the judge got involved, and the judge signed for signed the arrest warrant, and the judge was prosecuting and persecuting. And you're right, David, it was a sham.

The whole thing was a sham. And my heart goes out to all those other folks that have been through these types of situations, and I know some have been through a lot worse. You know, mine was a ninety day sentence you mentioned, you know prison sentences that are years years. Yeah, and there's no noe there.

Washington agenda is. We need to pay attention to what Trump did, what Biden did, and we need to understand what they did and understand they're not going to change anything about it, and that it made a big difference depending on your locality, the local people that were there, the state people that were there, and so again, in your situation, the best thing to do is to just get out of Minnesota because it's so hopelessly corrupt and slavish and you now live in I think it is Wisconsin,

Is that correct?

out of the state. I think the last straw for us, the convincing situation event let's call it an event because it was an event that took place, was when a certain law enforcements showed up at our door unannounced, and you know, continue to I really can't talk about that yet because it's still under investigation, has been for way too long. But let's just put it this way. We know when they want you to shut up, when they want you to get out, they know they have ways,

they have ways, and so persecution continued. After I got out of jail, I immediately hit the ground running and campaigned for state Senate. And so obviously the state's saying, okay, we needn't get her to shut up by putting her in jail here for sixty days. So now we're going to use other means to come after her and her family and absolutely bogus. And this is all A lot of it was perpetuated on the local level. I hate to say new Shriff at that time, and that more persecution.

I'm just going to call it happened against us, and.

would just take that from them. Well, some guy decided, one of the police officers designed he's going to get a bunch of tickets, so he parked down our parking lot. Every time somebody would do that. He'd pull up, find him, give him a parking ticket, and it's like, what's going on with this? After you did it two or three times, I went out there and while he was giving them a ticket, I said, how much is that ticket going

to be? All right, I'm going to give you more than that in store credits, and so I directly come and after I did that a couple of times, he went away, and then he came back with the fire department and they got a ladder truck and they parked it in the parking lot in front of our store, and the fireman started taking the police officers up in the ladder truck. And we had customers who come in and say, what's going on here? And I was like, well, let me tell you about this. I mean, I know

what that's like. You know, they will do that kind of stuff, And so my heart really goes out to you with that. Tell me about did anybody else go to jail other than you?

pretty good sheriff. He came to her one day and said, you know, I got the state got a hold of me, and they've asked me to prosecute you. I've told them no, I will not prosecute you. Good for him, yeah, yeah, she Oh, but you know, I got to tell you this, David was a real interesting story. You can you can look it up Larveda mcfarcar. She so this is just an interesting point to Larvita is a colored woman and an amazing gal she is, and our attorney general is

also colored. And our attorney general made the statement, it's it's in the press, something to the effect of that he was going to send her to a work farm if she didn't obey.

I apologize. Yeah, my memory, I think I've tried to stuff some things away because they're so very unpleasant. And as we're talking and interviewing, and you know, because of this VP being Walls, it's all really starting to kind of come back and talking about it is good. So sharing this story is an important story to share, and.

The US Supreme Court absolutely insane. I remember the spring of twenty twenty, after a couple of weeks of this stuff or whatever, there was a guy that I interviewed out of Illinois, and of course Illinois very Pritzker, very dictatorial, just like Walls. But he had a small church in a small town and he never closed it. And the sheriff that was there was a member of that church.

And so the governor was making threatening gestures and statements about all this kind of stuff and the sheriff, as you had stories coming back from all over the country about some police departments showing up and taking taking down the license plate numbers of people who had violated the orders and gone to church and all that kind of stuff. The sheriff was there at their church with his deputies surrounding the church to protect them from the state police.

And so that's why I tell people that story because again, even in a situation like Illinois, kind of a worst case state scenario, you can still have some good local officials and people. You can make a difference. At the federal level, the bipartisan agreement about all this stuff, and they've worked this thing up, but at the local level, you can make some things better if you get the right people there. It's very important.

rest of the Constitution well at all. And we thought that he should probably understand the rest of the Constitution, and he should understand the First and Second Amendment. A little better. Somebody offered an all expense paid a trip to Sheriff Max's sheriff seminar. I believe those were going on in Texas at the time, three day seminar for these sheriffs, educating them from the constitution and how to protect the people that you're serving, et cetera.

Of course, you can support that with being a part of the POSSE. You don't have to be somebody who works in law enforcement. You can support that effort as a POSSE member. Also, Matrohela has a great book that has been very effective, short book but packed very easy read, a lot of information. It's called The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate, and it takes it from a historical perspective, and that's also something that has been known to open the eyes of people who are in law enforcement. So

a couple of good resources there. Well, it sounds like you really know your stuff, and thank you so much for taking a stand on that. If people would have stood up, it would not have happened. And when people finally just started quietly walking away and not complying, that's when it ended. And it hasn't officially ended because we haven't taken away any of these usurped powers, and we haven't seen anybody pay any price for any of this.

None of the people from the sheriffs up to Fauci or either Trump or Biden, nobody has paid penalty for any of this stuff. And that's why it's going to happen again. And hopefully this next time when it happens again, people aren't going to quietly and sheepishly.

just haven't noticed it. We're sharing for these people time.

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