Thr 26Dec24 Best of Interviews: G Edward Griffin, Catherine Austin Fitts, Gregory Wrightstone

loan dissenter. But his science and fact based approach exposes many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate. Gregory is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts, by data, not by a political agenda. The book that he has published is A very Convenient Warming, How Modest Warming and more co two are benefiting humanity. Great to have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone.

pre eminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists, I'm a geologist, energy experts and the like, and they all believe as I do, is that CO two is beneficial by a lot. He's usually beneficial, and there is no climate crisis and we should celebrate how earthse ecosystems are thriving and prospering.

about twelve miles south of Tampa. And if you recall a day and a half or two days before landfall, he was at a Cat five and man, my home was right and acrosshairs and we looked even some of the seasoned old salts in the area. They looked at it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never left before. It looked bad and because it was going to hit it. But our experts in the two Coalition were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's going to land as a category two, maybe category three. This is

what's going to happen. And they also predicted that there would be no instead of a storm surge at Tampa. They told me, no, we saw it at end and when the end struck, this will be about to be similar. There will actually be a negative surge. In other words, it would suck water out of the band. That's exactly what they found. So it made we bailed out. We've been hit the week before by Helene. We escaped any flooding, but the area around us was hit pretty hard. A

bookkeeper's home was was devastated. We actually did a GoFundMe campaign for her and raised thirty three thousand dollars in two days. And what a blessing that was to her, She says, in my darkest time of my life, you guys came through and I may just you know, you're you're being You're brightening and making this so much more bearable. So we can do one We we can't help everybody, but we helped her. But we made what seemed to be a reasonable decision instead of fleeing north, but to

go southeast to the other side of the state. And we went to Vero Beach condo of a friend. And if you may recall that, we couldn't have chosen a worse place to evacuate too in the United States or probably the world. It was this huge super storm cell at about four pm came through our area. It was giant, it was gnarly, and it was it was scary. And the tornadoes hit. And the tornado near us went right up along Highway A one A. If you're a Jimmy Buffett fan, you know Highway A one A, and it's

right up by two miles wath of that. It actually hit the condo that was next to the part of our building was next to us, and it was I was doing a live video interview with another host at the time, and there's like alarms going off, lightning lights are flashing. He said, this is great. I mean, you'll never have another interview like that, you know, with his with his guest in the middle of being hit by a tornado in a hurricane. But bear in mind those

that tornado hit at four point thirty. The landfall didn't occur until eight thirty, four hours later, so this preceded that. Yeah, but again I took a look at the our newsletter for the CO two Coalition. Go to CO two Coalition dot org to subscribe. You'll love it. I give some more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about my experience. We also have information I took a look at landfalling hurricanes, and that's the best measure if you

want to look at long term hurricane information. Landfalling hurricanes for the United States are the best because we can take that confidently. We know every single hurricane that's made landfall in the United States going back to at least eighteen fifty and that's because they're so big you can't miss it. And right we know it's made landfall, it's been recorded. And so if we look at landfalling hurricanes, we find in the United States there have been in decline.

I looked at Florida land falling hurricanes and they've also been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing. That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look at the globally accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Malley and the NOAH do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity of the hurricanes, which translates to windspeed, and it's been

pretty flat. He could probably argue there's been a slight decline, but there's definitely been not a significant trend either up or down, and in fact, Christopher land Sea. And what a great name for he's a Noah hurricane expert.

and three miles per hour? I think so, and that's what so.

UK is bracing for. This is going to be brutal, a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with widespread destruction, just panic, panic, panic everywhere. And he says, well, it didn't even notice that if it came, you know, so, and that's what we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of hype and they don't really as you point out a one percent difference, can they even measure that, as you said, you can't

feel it. Can they really accurately measure that and record it, comparing it to the of measurements that they had a century ago? Did they were they accurate? Even if they're accurate today, So we don't know that, right, Yeah.

nasty population because of man made global warming. So they have to establish this climate of fear because they're object is really what their proposals are is to control every aspect of your life. They want to control how much water comes out of your shower, what kind of car you drive, how you heat your home, how cool you keep it in the summer, and how hot you warm it in the winter. That we could go on and on on what you eat.

these controls. And it's always the same controls I want to bring.

And what we see, David, this new book. My first book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost one hundred thousand copies. It's in that book we established pretty clearly

that there is no climate crisis. We've gone a step further in this new book and with the CO two coalition, is not only is there not a climate crisis, but by almost every metric we look at Earth, pschosystems are thriving and prospering, and humanity is benefiting from that probably And you have a Christian show here, and this really goes back to the heart of you know, if we were going to have killed PEP hundreds of millions of people, we should do something about it. But just the opposite

is occurring. We're seeing a huge benefits to humanity and their solutions, particularly in the developing world, the Asia and Africa. They want to they don't want to lift these people out of poverty by using affordable, abundant, reliable energy that can be dry from natural gas and coal. They want to keep them with their someb down and let them, don't let them prosper.

We're actually be hurting ourselves. And the other thing that's really interesting, it's one of my pet it's the section of the book is one of my favorite things to talk about, is a strong relationship between human history and climate history. To find that it's completely opposite of what we're being told. We're being told, oh, we can't, we

must fear the heat, the heat will cause terrible things. Well, look back over the last several thousand years to see what happened, to find that we are in a warming trend, but it's been warming for more than three hundred years. There were three other warming trends similar to what we're in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up warmer than what we are today, and all three were hugely beneficial and improvements we saw to the human condition.

During each one of those warm periods, life was good, food was bountiful, The great empires, the civilizations rose up. The first of those was the Bronze Age. It was called the Minoan Warm period. The first great civilizations rose up, the Assyrians, the Hittits, the Babylonians, the Harapan Empire in the Indus River Valley. All those great civilizations around the world rose up during a really, really warm time and then it started getting cold, and really bad things happened.

And each one of the times when it started getting cold, and we see these cold periods are associated with famine, crop failure, pestilence, and masty population. And so it was that led to the Greek Dark Age is and it really didn't get good until we got into the Roman Warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again, food was bountiful, life was good. North Africa was the bread basket. You may not be aware of the Roman army. It's not much of a bread basket today. So it

then when it started getting cold again. There were a lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall. Cold was probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was called the Dark Ages. And then the Medieval warm period was again life was good, empires arose, food was bountiful, and then that led to the recent cooling period called the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time of the last ten thousand years, and it was again

maybe fifty percent of Iceland perish during that time. One third of the population of the Earth perish during that time, and particularly northern Europe. We have a lot of great records of just how terrible it was, recalled Valley Forge and George Washington. It was very cold. For example, not far from where I am right now is Mount Vernon and George when they lived there during this little ice age,

that was really cool cold. Martha liked to enjoy ice center drinks in the summer, so George built an ice house. They dug in and he would have his indentured service and slaves got down in the winter, and it froze very, very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that, I mean, I think in the eighties there was one winter where it did that. So we can use historical data like that.

People understand that and they'll go, oh, yeah, if the Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter and it only happens once every thirty years, now, well, it had been a lot colder then, And we can use that same historical data to show how warm it was during the Medieval warm time period, the Roman warming period, and so much warm.

date when Krakatoa happened. They had a little mini ice age at that point in time as well, because there was a lot of debris that was sent up by the volcano on land. Some people have talked about and I forget where it was in the South Pacific that was recently, like last year or two years ago something. Yeah, that's it. The water volcano and that puts up water vapor that has a warming effect. If it's a land volcano that has a cooling effect. We have so many

natural processes that have amazing and direct influence. You know, we're talking about solar activity or we're talking about volcanic activity. Talk a little bit about that. It's not all man made. What's happening right.

is from man. There are some people out there saying it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO two into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to increase atmosphereic CO two and so you know we have that, and I started rambling on I forgot the question, the original question you asked for.

was nineteen ninety one. We also know closely how much CO two was put out by Pinatubo, and it turns out that that eruption put out two tenths of the percent of the CO two emitted that year of Man two. So it's a small contribution that gets a lot of play. They try and downplay our contribution to Cooto.

There were two huge lava flows that were effusive. One was called the Deccan Traps, the other was the Siberian Traps. These these volcanoes flowed for millions of years, and we're emitting CO two for millions of years and probably contribute a fair amount of CO two to the atmosphere. These explosive volcanoes do not. And it's where then, also the explosive volcanoes, it's not the solids. You think, well, it's

going to block out the sun. It does for the fuse that falls out pretty quickly, the sulfates, the aerosols, and the sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that last for three four five years. That has a cooling effect because what they're doing is the Sun's reflecting off of those, so it doesn't get to strike the earth that warming effect.

greenhouse gases like water vapor. You know, there's so many things that are natural out there, but they want to make it as everything is about man made. Right. Do you agree with that or you disagree with that?

Just going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time, we don't see correlation there, and so we have to we have to look at the science, effects and the data, put it in a long perspective to figure that out.

CO two is going up and down. But that direct correlation that was there the hockey stick from Michael Man, as everybody talks about it. You had that blown up into something that was about thirty feet tall and he gets on an elevated platform to go up to exaggerate that, and that really has Michael Mann's correlation there of his hockey stick thing really hasn't played out, has it.

you might say. If you take a leader jar of ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and open it up, it just goes. But take that leader jar of ginger ale and put it out on your picnic table and your patio on the sun in August. But it's sit there for an hour and then go open it up, and man, it will be like a volcano with that CO two that's in the ginger ale that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see.

Warming oceans expel CO two, and so it warms first and then CO two increases, and it's delayed by hundreds of years. But if you can press it all, which al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what it should have been. It's not CO two driving temperature, it's temperature driving CO two.

we could not pry that data from him. And you have to wonder why he got it, if it was real.

So what he did, he was just proxies are things we used for temperature reconstruction or CO two reconstruction through back before historical records. And Michael Man used some really really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature. And like you say, he's according to him, we had a slowly declining temperature up until about the twentieth century and then man, it

just took off the temperatures the skyrocketed. And he again he based that in his reconstructional on just bad, bad, bad proxies, particularly tree ring data in the southwest of the United States.

How did these people get a pass for making all

these predictions. You were talking earlier about the scientists that were affiliated with the CO two Coalition dot org and how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that the storm surge is going to be negative because it was going to you know, land somewhere else, and so, you know, we have those types of things and if somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but we have these grand predictions that are kind of like

trying to predict the weather fifty years in advance, and they're hysterically wrong. You know, whatever they're predicting, where they're talking about the Great Barrier reef disappearing, whatever it is. They keep making these predictions, and yet they never seem to be held accountable for making these false predictions with their models.

forty eight. And then in North Carolina in Ashville in nineteen twenty one, they also had a hurricane that went up there and caused just about the kind of same level of destruction in terms of water accumulation of that type of thing. Hesitate to use the word flood because if you a flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything. So we have to come up with some other name for what happened is rain, and so it had that kind of rain. But you know, we've seen this type

of stuff, so it's not unprecedented. And you know these were situations that happened. There wasn't really any man made industry that was that was doing that one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty years ago. So you know that that is the background. But no matter what they say, they're never held accountable to it, and no matter how dire and faults their predictions are, it just keeps going. It must be an interesting thing to work with the U n IPCC because of that. That's a lot got

about that. Well.

Klauser join us on our board. He's the twenty twenty two Nobel Laargate, the physic We've got Patrick Moore on our board who's the co founder of Greenpeace and if he's wonderful, and doctor William Happer, Emeritis, Professor of Physics from Princeton and he's the He was the inventor of the Soviet Soviets sodium guide star laser developed during the Star Wars under Reagan and if you if you remember SDI star Wars was they were trying to shoot down

incoming missiles from the Soviet Union and intercept them in space using lasers, but they couldn't figure out how to do it because they just it was it was Will Happer, our chairman, that invented this ability to keep laser's focused through the atmosphere. And now his invention as you at every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images.

If you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam going up from it, that's his sodium guide star laser that are used to keep to figure out what's going on in the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs. So these are the type of scientists that we have. They're incredible. Yes, it's great, and we stick to the science.

dare not question it. You must not, you must and they need to silence me and my colleagues at the CO two coalition.

and what they've done is incredible. I ended up hiring a full time artist, talented artist Chicago Hellinger Di Silva down in Brazil, and he does We're creating books, we're creating videos that are attractive to children and students. But most importantly, we're also doing lesson plans for homeschooling parents and charter schools. And they're not just a lesson plan. It's rare. We actually have a scientist doing that, doctor Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's an ap science

teacher and reader, and so this is science based. We're totally vetted the lesson plans. We've completed the first series of book. I've just authored the first of the next series. We call it a sleep Well series. You're gonna love this. So the title is Chloe the Clownfish sleeps Well at Night,

and it's all It's marvelous. Art is fantastic. It is about Chloe that lives in the Great Barrier Reef, and she's told at school that, you know, the Great Barrier Reef in her home was going to be destroyed because of man's climate change. We would use that story. We're able to use that story in an entertaining method to put out the facts about what's actually happening with corals and the Great Barrier Reef. And I was joined as

a co author. Doctor Peter Ridd who's one of the top chloral and Great Barrier Reef experts, collaborated with me on this, so we you know, we have top scientists that work together get to make sure we get the story right. But we're kind of going we're getting the nose under the camel's tent by getting this really interesting material out there.

for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter schools. We've just brought in a shipment of CO two meters that we actually give to qualify and no charge to qualifying schools and homes and teachers because some of our lesson plans involve experiments that require a CO two meter, and you know, a lot of these people they don't want to spend one hundred and forty dollars for a CEO two meter, so we've done it for them, and that this is

our mission. Our mission has provide fact science data and are now our mission too is to provide that information to students and particularly the homeschool parents. And all three of my grandchildren are homeschooled, and it's important they love to use this information. So CO two learning center dot com.

it is absolute insanity. And of course, the only way you're going to stop CO two emissions is to starve us to death and kill all the people. But I think that might be what they're trying to do.

those because I knew that was nonsense. And then they say, well, we've got six hundred and sixty six years of coal. So what they do. They decide they're going to get rid of coal. You can make coal theme, but they're not required. That's one of that you know, we talk about the un that's one of my pet Peeves I talk about frequently, and that is the Paris Climate Court. Even people who are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris Climate Court because they said, well, you're not doing anything

to stop this. You're going to allow China and India to build as many power plants as they wish and not have them be clean, and so this is not addressing what our global problem is. They think, They said, this is simply a transfer of industry to China, and that's exactly what it is, isn't it It is?

more electric electricity derived from coal. The natural gas isn't very well developed. We can talk a little bit about that. I traveled to India and spoke at the first natural gas shell gas conference in India a number of years ago, and but China prison g number one. He's got to be sitting there right now, rubbing his hands together and lead because he's we're self destructing. Yes, we're undermining our electricity,

our economy for no good reason. And he's advancing his he's mouthing the words we're going to go to net zero by what twenty seventy twenty eighty. Has no intention of doing that now, and they're going great guns. And I don't think there's no altruistic bone in his body. His goal is to mount and have an economy unrivaled in the world, and part of that's us getting affordable, reliable, abundant energy. And he's doing it with coal. He's using everything.

They're building a lot of solar, they're doing wind, but it's it's mainly coal that's really driving this. And it's plus here in the United States. Most of our proposals here. We know about Kamala Harris. She was pushing electric vehicles until she wasn't, which occurred at I don't know why or when, but now she's not. But their their whole

energy solution. Jennifer Granholman Department of energy. They want everybody to drive an electric car, which will only increase demand for already scarce electricity and lead to it's going to be horrible, horrid warble.

down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and manufacture anything with China. Mean, China has always had the China price, which is their currency. Manipulation and copyright piracy and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy of anybody. That's what's going to happen. All you've got Germany. Look at what is happening to the German industry. They're having to shut down as well. If we follow this path of getting rid of CO two, it is a

path of suicide. That's why your book is so important, and the organization is so important. The CO two Coalition dot org that you put together got a lot of Nobel Prize winning scientists that are their people. Ought to bookmark that and get that on your mailing list. And the book is a very convenient warming again by Gregory Wrightstone. This is a vital issue, it really is.

I'm converting America one Uber driver at a time. But I find just about everybody I talked to it's thirsty for the information that we provide, that my books provide that the CO two Coalition provides. They're thirsty for this. They've never heard of it. So many times their eyes get wide open, they go, I've never heard that. Why are they lying? Why aren't they telling us that, yes, we need to be silenced. Yeah, because I'm telling back based story at the Ristom.

to afford this. I mean, and we've got these offshore wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to escalate the price of well they're by conservative factor four or five times, because they're looking at their profit margin is going to be about one and a half times what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable it is, and it really is is going to be

incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us, and again the book is a very convenient warming by Gregory Wrightstone at the time of the Amazon list, Thank you so much for joining us. Sir, and the CO two Coalition dot org also very important. And I'll put that in the resource into the description of the CO two Learning Center dot com because we do have a lot of people who homeschool and I know they would be interested in those

books and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you.

couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose husband was had criminal cancer, and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is not going to last very much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog. Would you please do that for my husband?

because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff. But great to have Joe M. Griffin on. Thank you so much for joining us.

about your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries and books and especially in terms of going against the grain of conventional wisdom. Tell us a little bit about your background.

change my direction substantially. And even though it was painful and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations, I found out that it was a better direction than the one I was on originally. And my life is full of that. And some of those tragedies along the way were very serious illnesses too. I was still very young, in my early thirties, and I had a wife and a couple of kids to support, and I had a collapse, and I had two doctors tell me I had multiple sclerosis.

Not that was I didn't really know for sure what that was. I knew it was bad, but when I looked it up in the in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man, this is a bad way to go out the door, and I thought I was dying, of course, but it was a misdiagnosis. I had exhausted myself, I had it. Rather, I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders. I thought I had to save the world all by myself. And so I was not getting a lot of sleep.

I was a young guy. Of course, I was doing a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that kind of thing. So I would go from one town to the next and drive a good portion of the day to get there, get there and be taken out to dinner, and then put on an evening presentation and then meeted somebody's house afterwards.

percentage outside of the British society everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know, everybody would want to buy me some wine, and we'd drink wine and talk about life and the world events and so forth. And then I get to bed late at night or early in the morning, get up in the morning and drive and do that over and over again. I came back and I was planning some trees in

my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed. And I think a long story short, I was I had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in my body, not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude, always filled with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things. And I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to worry about that because I was young, right, Young people don't get sick. So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis.

It turned out not to be that. Once I got off of my routine and started to find out what this world was all about in terms of nutrition and rest and avoiding toxic things in your body, in your environment, and so forth. I recovered rather rapidly, So in retrospect, it was very good because I learned how to live, and I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time, I was really pretty well stuck in bed and I

didn't know I could write. I had gone to school, I had learned, I'd learned about communications. I would stage plays. I was an actor, a little child actor. You can imagine anything worse than that. I did a lot of to day.

of the same. Television was just coming online in those days, so I was taking courses in television and radio communications.

to the other. And so I got this call from a publisher and he said, ed, I understand you've been giving speeches on the United Nations and they're very well received. Would you like to write a book for us on that topic. We want to publish a book, and we think you could do it. And of course, at that time I had never written anything, and that was not my I did not identify as an author, identified as a communicator on television or radio or something like that.

And my dream was to go to Hollywood and become a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when it's called me and said, how would you like to write a book. That was the last thing I felt I was capable or interested in doing. But I thought instantly about a wowity, he's offering me some money, and here I am in bed. I can't do anything else to support my family, and we're running out of money. And so I found myself saying, oh, yeah, no problem, Yeah, sure I could do that.

when it was time to write. And it was kind of like at an old movie where you've everybody's seen those scenes where the author has to write something and he's on a typewriter and he types a few lines and he pulls the paper out or crushes it and throws it on the floor, and that's no good, and then this is no good. I went through that in spades.

I can't write this because how do you how do you approach a topic so huge as this was my book on the United Nations, my first book. It's called The Fearful Master, A Second Look at the United Nations? So I wrote down, how can you write about something like this? It's like a huge globe made of glass, so large that you couldn't grasp it in its entirety, and you couldn't hold it. How do you write a book? It's like having to move a mountain how do you

move a mountain? And then I found myself writing, well you dig, and then this is my first spade, and I looked at it. I said, well, that's kind of clever. And the first thing, you know, I extended that and the next few pages came pretty fast, and by the time I got the page seven, it was roaring along. I found out I wound up. I looked in the in the wall at the wall, my gosh, I can write, and I'm having fun doing it. So I use that as an example. I wouldn't be here talking to you

today if I hadn't had this illness. And that event that forced me forced me to make a right turn in my where I thought was my career path. And at that time I didn't think I was going to live anyway. But so it forced me to make a change that affected my whole life. I hope for the better.

And so I think your life lesson, as well as a lot of other people, that's a real important life lesson.

off in one direction. All of a sudden, I'm writing, and I decided I wanted to go off on my own. I decided I wanted to do I wanted to reach out to a lot of people, and I wanted to use my skills that I had acquired in communications. So I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films on important issues. And first the first attempt was to write something on a documentary film on money and inflation, and then of course that led me blikely to the

topic of the Federal Reserve system. And I'm off and running now. And I had no idea how much voltage was in the wire that I was about to grab holder on that one. If I had, if I had even an inkling of how deep that topic goes, and how broad it is, how many things it covers, and how profound, profoundly important it is to our lives, our liberty, our lifestyle, everything, I would never have tackled it because it was far beyond my reach. I'm the last person

in the world to write about things like that. I'm a kid that was a child actor. You know.

and it wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and I saw that all these young people there, the guys and gals, had talent superior to mine, really, and they were busting tables and washing cars, waiting for the big chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood and the lifestyle and all of the evil things that were there

that I didn't like at all. And it became clear that if you didn't tolerate those things, or if you didn't participate in those things, your chances of getting that big break were pretty small. So I quit all that and I went to work for a large insurance company and I got a job in an underwriting department, prepare group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing. So that's what I was doing when I decided to

start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made that change is that I don't know who it was but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations. I think that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well, I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I

knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It was our last best hope for peace, they told me, and I thought it was true, and so I was very much in favor of the un and as a means of avoiding war.

in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks from where our corporate office was, and I had some time in my hands that day, so I decided to just drop into the library. Now, I had never thought i'd go into a library again after I got out of school, because I thought that was where you punish people for doing bad things. And any way, I went

into the International department. I wanted to check out a few books on the topic of the United Nations and in particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as they called them, and to see if I could learn more about it and prove that this college professor was wrong. So I checked out a few books and even though they were all written from the friendly perspective, they were all friends

of the UN. Many of them were either employees or former employees, or they had positions professional positions which depended on their being friendly. A lot of some of them were academics, and academics I discovered would never dare go against the UN anyway. So I read those books and I recognized that they were biased, and so that was that was the beginning of it. Reading their own works and some of them were quite frank by the way.

I learned about the war in Katanga Patrici lu Mumba and the War one Katanga in afric was really an eye opener for me. In fact, that's how I opened my book on the United Nations. It was with that section on what happened Katanga. Basically what happened is that there was a communist revolution in the Congo with Katanga Province of the Congo, and the so called colonial powers just left. They There was betrayal I think at the

highest levels in the government. I think it was Belgium, and they just withdrew their troops and all their law enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over to the communist revolutionaries and that was hard to believe, but there was an evidence. And so when the troops went out, there was mass slaughter going on and it looked like it might be racial, but it was not. It was economic. It was getting the colonialists out. That was the word

they use the capitalists. Get the capitalists out and get the socialist in power again. So Congo went into total chaos. Blood blood all over the place, and production stopped, the economy crash, People were starving, people were robbing each other. It was total chaos. I fear we're in America going to get somewhat like see some of that ourselves and make that step toward total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's what happened, and so the UN came long A said well,

look at this chaos. We've got to put put an end to that. And they were said, yes, yes, that's what you're for. And we're the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay. Well the peacekeepers went in and there were multiple provinces in the Congo and they were all in total blood drenched chaos except one. The one shining exception was Katanga was headed by Moischambai and Moischambie had been to some universities in London and had come to America, and he

understood the principles of free enterprise capitalism. And he was standing firm and and his his province was like it had always been, and chaos was all around them. So where did the UN send the peacekeepers there?

really was. And in one book by the I think it was an Irish general from Ireland, I can't think his name anyway, a big thick book on how wonderful he was in the Congo doing all these things on behalf of international cooperation and peace and so forth. And he's time and again said, well, you know, when this issue came up, we lied in the press conferences as all bureaucrats do. And he was sort of like, well, that's the way it is, folks. I'm glad you're reading

my book. Now you know how it works. So Connor O'Brien that was his name, General O'Brien, and I realized that these people actually boast about some of the crimes they commit. And that was my changing point right there. And so my first interest was the United Nations, and I did some research on it. But I took that pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago, and then my own independent research and added to it. And that's what became the basis for my book, The Fearful Master.

of those things. But that didn't make any difference. The perception is the important thing. Yes, but Buckley was not from the radical left. There were a few people like Buckley that also jumped on the badwagon from what people considered to be the right wing. Of course, we could talk about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between right and left. Later, but I learned that the hard way too, that the right wing and the left wing

are merely two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism. Anyway, that I hadn't learned that yet. So anyway, Buckley was one of those guys who was associated with the so called right wing, but they believed pretty much the same thing, and they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which is what they believed in.

time and it projects up on the screen. You play this soundtrack on like an LP recording on a phonograph machine, and when it's time to change the picture. There's a beep that comes onto the sound. The operator turns the picture, and then narration continues, and then there's it's like a PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. And so that's what we did in those days, and I did well, I don't know nine or ten of them, and I decided I wanted to do one on inflation and the money supply.

I didn't know much about it, but I knew that there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused the farmers they were getting too much for their food, and the farmers that were starving, we have to eat their own food to just stay alive. But you don't make any money. It's the distributors that take all the money and distributes it, not us. It's the truckers, and the truckers know it's not us. It's the it's the

grocery stores and the groceries. It's not us. It's the labor unions and so forth, and they're all, you know, everybody's pointing to somebody else is the cause. And they were all correct in a sense that it was not them. But they didn't know who it was, that hidden element that nobody had looked at, and so I was curious

about that. So I started to do research on inflation, and of course that leads directly to the engine of inflation, and that's the Federal Reserve system, because that's the power that creates money out of debt. And they can just create as much money as people are willing to borrow into into existence, and it's not their money. They just created out of nothing or worse than nothing on the debt.

So the money supply expands much faster than goods and services expand, and therefore the relative prices for those goods and services in terms of the expanded source of the money goes up. It's just a very simple formula. A high school kid that knows anything about math can figure it out. But the American people still don't understand it pretty much because it's deliberately compounded and made it look

very complicated, and it's not over. So I got into that and I created a couple of banker boxes full of research on it, and I was ready to go, and then I he is, this topic is getting too big for me. And meanwhile I had to get on and produce some faster film strips because I have to put groceries on the table, right, So I put the banker boxes in my closet now. And then one day I got a call from a little old lady in

tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard about those ladies. This was a real one, and she was a widow, and she obviously had some money because she lived in a big house in Pasady and her husband passed away, of course, and had this car in the garage. Was probably about twelve fifteen years old, but I think it had like eight hundred miles on it as read. Well, that's a

little side story. But she was a wonderful lady. And she had a monthly class that she was or meeting in her home on taxes, and she'd heard that I was giving speeches and showing film strips and so forth. So she called me and asked me if I would give a speech to her group on the weekend on taxes. And I said, well, I don't know much about tech except that they're too high. And I'm again, what else can you say that taxes are? But I have I might be able to talk to your group about a

hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you? And she said A hidden tax?

And I became electrified by how really important this was, how many areas in our lives it reached that I hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it, and I spent some time putting together an outline. I gave the presentation and it was very well received. I was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards there and they said that was good. You ought to click that on the road. Well you don't do that to a child actor. You say, oh, I'll put it

on the road, which I did. I ramped it, got it all well organized, and I called it the Crash Course on Money it was a one day seminar. I thought, you know, I could probably sell tickets to this if I was smart enough, and so I tried that, and by golly, it worked, and I was selling tickets and travel. I'll put it on the road. I was going from town to town to town. This time. I'm not doing what I did in the old days. I was taking care of myself. And so we did this crash course

on money. And then I'm probably giving you more information than you want, but this is what happened. At the end of I think it was probably about the ninth or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting, I was approached by another little old lady and she said, mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me, because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in my twenties, late twenties or early thirties, and in my thirties. I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got

to kick out of that, she said. After what I've learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about what I should do with what limited resources I have. My husband passed away and he left a small stipend and insurance and we can get along. We have a small investment in a small apartment building or two apartments, I think, she said, But we're in debt. Should I get out of debt? Should I take what we have in assets and put it in gold and silver? Or

should I what should I do with my assets? And it hit me or at that moment, what a fraud I was, because I did not know the answer to that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing. I knew how they created money out of debt. I knew the impact had had on the purchasing power of money. I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all, But I was a learning still in those days. But to answer the question of what she should do to

avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea. I was a fraud and she was expecting me to know. So I stopped doing the webinar the seminars, I should say, and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which was a course done by a Chicago outfit, an educational group.

It was like a CFP designation, and it normally takes a couple of years to get it, and so I rolled in it, and it was all by course respondent and then you have to go to a physical location and take the exam that's an all day exam and so forth. So I did that, and I got my CFP designation as a financial advisor, not because I wanted to do that. I just wanted to know how to answer this woman's question, how do you protect your assets

and under these conditions? So that's what I did. And then I came out of that with another realization which I never would have had had I not been taking that course, and that is that these people were teaching bunk. I was learning bunk now. They were teaching how to invest in markets that is in the best interest of the financial planners, not in the best interest of the investors.

And that was really what it was all about. And of course they always said it was for the group, for the best investment for the I'll get this straight. Yet it's always best for the investor himself. But it was always an investment that paid a commission to the person that recommended it or something, and none of it really took into account that the value of the money

was constantly being depreciated. They didn't really understand inflation, or they said, well, this has a better interest rate, and therefore better for him to fight inflation. But they never talked about inflation itself and what the long term consequences might be over twenty or thirty years for you who do everything they recommend, but still in twenty or thirty years you have zero because the dollar is zero, and things like that. So that's when I decided, hey, somebody

ought to write a book on this. I looked around and there were books on the topic, but they were all kind of written from the point of view of somebody who wanted to go into banking, they wanted to be a banker. The book was there on the Federal Reserve, how to how to use the Federal Reserve, how it works, and the terminology. It was all good, but it didn't The books didn't help the average person at all understand the fraud that was built into the banking system.

they just processed checks. That's that's that's your understanding of this. So yeah, it's that was one of the one of the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of finish. I mean, it wasn't even aware of the impact of you know, setting interest rates even for example, you know, none of it.

over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well, it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked to bankers since then, and especially when I get in the topic of cancer and things like that. I have no medical background. Ye I'm writing a book on cancer therapy and so forth. And I've had people tell me, like doctors in particular, or say ed, you had an advantage that we didn't have. What what do you mean in advantage? How could that be? You went to school,

That's the advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All you had to do was learn. We had to unlearn first. Oh yeah, because when you go through the institutions and they teach you these things, you believe, you become a true believer.

is your advice to people. I know you're not a financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms of preparing for what is coming, what would you say to people?

And there could be arguments pro and con, but the most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter when you look in history, no matter what the problem was, those that had gold and silver always came out on top. So it's always worked that way. Is a really powerful item, but now it isn't in my view, because the system itself is changing, where to the point where money will no longer even exist in the way that we think

of it money. The essence of money, in order for it to have any use to us is that we have to own it. It's got to be our money. It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money, they can just take it back and well, we don't have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well, no matter what they come up with, it will be

dislike it always has been. No. No, Because there's cbcds the central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations now are committed to adopting in the very near future, in the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the next year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone. That those tokens are whatever they call them, the digital currencies,

they'll have different names. Whatever the name is, they will be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to you and me and everybody else to use as long as we have a good social credit, which means as long as we behave according to what they think we.

different now. I would say, normally, without this upcoming CBCDS that we should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver, And I still say that, by the way, I have not as nice as stockpile as I would like, but I have some shekels put away in gold and silver and in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that people will need and you could use as barter. But in terms of how you come out of it okay

and still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And the chances are we're not going to come out of it anywhere close to how we went into it, and we have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants to hear that.

we cope with that. I think, you know, in terms of people talking about a parallel society, Americans have not really had any experience like people in third world countries have in terms of operating black markets and things like that. But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly.

among people you know and trust. So it doesn't allow you to put gas in your car, it doesn't allow you to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in the big store, the big box stores or anything like that. If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're going to be very much like little children who are completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything.

And under those conditions, most people will buckle and they will be like slaves in Egypt.

And you got people, you know, across the political spectrum, all these people that are so eager about the election, and you see both of these candidates talking about how they've got to shut people down that disagree with them. And because of that, people downstream from them, we're also

buying into this kind of censorship stuff. And I think if we could develop and get back in respect for free speech and for privacy and things like that, that really has to be fundamental as a guard against some of this stuff, because that really is the essence of how their controls are going to run out against us.

us very compliant. And of course if they didn't have the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true, but they could pretend like they have the weapons, and that's often what has happened in the past. Is you probably know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. You know, they were like eighty feet long, and these huge missiles like we send to the Moon were supposedly I don't know what to think about that one, but

those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told that they were just you know, made of wood and painted up and so forth. But Americans, oh, look, they got missiles too, and there was the fear of missiles, not the missiles themselves, that caused us to not confront the Soviet Union and try and make friends with them and abandon our own interests and so forth. So this can parade, right, yeah, exactly. So anyway, this is new and I guess that's my message that the old answers to that question are not

reliable anymore. But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't give them up. I mean you shouldn't use them, I should say, because I think that even though even though we didn't don't have money because we're not obedient enough and they cut us down, and we did have coins, we could probably find somebody whould take silver coins if they're small denomination, and gold coins in return for food or something that they have a little surplus on in their homes. But

this is not living, This is not surviving. This is slavery.

If you don't have something like that, you are going to If you don't have any the sand is going to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking. And if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've got you. And that's what we saw four years ago. That was really a panic and fear. But that brings me to the medical stuff because I don't want to finish the interview without having you talk about the book

World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time for people's eyes to be open to this because prior to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they first started this thing, you had a public health person come out. I played that clip over and over again.

Comes out to the podium, But before the person who's going to speak comes out of the podium, they had six people come out, three on each side, all them in white coats, and they march out in a line and three of them stand on one side of the podium and three of them. So look at this, that just putting this in your face, like we got white lab coats, were medical and we have authority, so listen

to us. And I think people have seen that now as a fraud and they have seen the self interest in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you must have quite a story behind A World Without Cancer, because I know they came after Latrill and B seventeen

and Migdalena that in a very very heavy way. I didn't realize that you had written this book until I interviewed John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when he was talking about the books that they have there and about your book especially. That's one of the main reasons I wanted to get you on because this is so key and it is a time that people are ripe to hear this message. Tell us a little bit about that. How you got into it?

a personal friendship that went well beyond that. And it got to the point where after a while, we want to get away from the routreet, the regular routine of our daily lives, and we'd like to get away from town to go out in the countryside and tell people we're going fishing or something like that. But we just go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills. And one day we're out doing that and and doctor

John says to me, Ed, I need your help. I need your he had he took his briefcase with him on that trip.

trouble with the local medical association. They're threatening to take away my license. I said, what did you do? You know, like the typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well, this is what I'm doing wrong. Is I'm saving lives?

He said, Well, I found out there's a substance that's found in nature that I didn't believe in at first, but my office manager convinced me to look into it. So I did. This is a substance as accurs in nature, and if you eat it, it turns out to be a natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. I said, how can that be? He said, well, I'm not sure how it can be, but I know that it works. So he's told me the story of this amignalant or lay is the more popular name for it.

That's found in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway, it's primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and peach seeds and any fruit in the Roseatia family has this stuff called amygdalen in It is bitter to the taste, and that's why most people in the Western world or in affluent societies don't like to eat foods that have this substance in it, because it's bitter. If you've ever bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about,

that's the flavor. And he said, that stuff, in low quantities, it looks like it's a natural control for cancer. And he told me the story. All right, this gets interesting in the details. He had a dog that had cancer and he was about to put the dog down because you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the dog that the doctors do and it wasn't working. The

dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about this, he says, I tried to use I decided to use this substance on the dog, and he said, blow me down. The dog got well real fast, and I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer, and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is not going to last very much longer. And I saw

what happened to the dog. Would you please do that for my husband? Oh? And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, for human use. And he tried it on her husband and he got well, this is how it all started. And so John said, I started using it very very cautiously and very low dose aages and very suspiciously, making sure that I was not risking anybody's life, using it only on people who really had terminal cancer to

start off with. And he said, I was getting way way better results than anybody I know. But the word got out.

I didn't know that at that time. So that's the story he told me. And he said, now the medical professionists found out about it, and they threatened me that if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take my license. And he said, I need to tell the story. Will you help me write it? I said, sure, that sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three day project, you know, just to read about it a little bit and ask a few questions and then just write it up.

But it turned out to be I don't know, a three year project, yeah, something like that. And it changed my life. It just changed my life. I wouldn't be here today if I hadn't learned about that, because it made me realize that almost everything that we think, we know that it's really important in our lives is a lie. When I realized that money was a lie, and now I found out that cancer treatments were a lie, what's

more important than that? Yes, that changed my life, and in my own family, I've seen we have some members of our family that are alive because of the treatments. So I wrote the book. It took me quite a while. I sat at the at the feet of listening to the great, the great scientists and doctors who really knew about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very open about it.

And of course I met the originator of this whole treatment, who was doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior, who was the inventor of all that, or not the inventor, but the discoverer of the chemical and use and pioneer and using it for cancer. And I sat in his office many many an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was sit back and he put his fingers together and said, well, let me think about that for a moment, and.

test tube. So that's where they were experimenting. And they found that the use of leatrill or the substance. Now there's this whole big story behind it. So that's what the book was about. I'll just give you one quick example. One of the clues to this was the fact that in the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to see that their cows would develop cancers of the mouth and lips and so forth and other parts of their bodies in the winter time, but they would usually go

away in the spring. And they said, why is that. There must be something about the weather, you know. Well, then they got to observing that it happened shortly after the green sprouts came up through the snow in the spring when the snow started to melt, and the first green grasses started to come up through the snow, and the cows would eat the green grasses. And it turns out these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant. So that was the kind of clues that they had.

How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method, and so anyway, that's how it started. And so John asked me to help him write the article, and I did, and that led to the book and and.

I guess the book was written in nineteen seventy. You've done an update I think in twenty ten or something like that, but you know this is back in sixties, I guess where this is happening. But you know, when you were publishing it. So what happened after you published this? What was a firestorm?

which one, which one was it? It was the little pocket Books Bantam Banham Bandham was there, and I thought, well, maybe we could convince Badham to reprint this and put it on the big market. So it just so happened. On the morning of the first day. The president of Bantam was there on the floor when I was there, and I saw this cluster of people around him, so I thought I'll get in line. So I did, and so I went up shook his hand. I said, I'll make this short. Mister Smith or whatever his name was.

I said, we have this book here on lea trill and it is carrying cancer. You probably have heard about it the newspapers. There's a big controversy over it. And I'd like to give you a copy and see if it sounds like it's something that Bantam would like to run with. So he gave it to his assistant who was standing next to him, and he said, y oh, well, we look at this. Well. They called me later in the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me

and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book. So, make a long story short, we did. You signed a contract. Wow, we got banned them to publish our book. And they put it out. They made it a they had a special name for it. It was a special edition that they can produce a book in I think it's forty eight hours something like that.

And I called the publisher and well, there's no demand for it.

what a lot of people just accept as fact. And you have done your research and you gave people your opinion, and I think when their response is to just shut things down. That's something of an endorsement of your research. I think.

dreaming about their lives. They weren't really living them, and they thought they were going to work every day, They thought they were raising a family, going on vacation, eating meals and so on. But it was all programmed into their minds and they were controlled by the Matrix. That's what they called it. There was this computerized reality, and the only way to get out of that was to

take the red pill. There was the blue pill, which you could take if you chose to, which would put you back into the illusion, but to get out of the illusion, you had to take the red pill. It turns out that many people chose the blue pill because it was more comfortable. They'd rather not know that they were wired up to a machine. They'd rather think they

were living a normal life. It was more pleasant than knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist, So it was kind of a good parallel to the reality. So we thought we would call this the Red Pill Expo and deal with topics like that that We wanted to expose the reality that's underneath the illusions. And as I said a moment ago, it seems like the more important something is, the more likely it is that we are in illusions about it, because it's to somebody's best

interest to do that to us. Yes, they profit from our naivety and our false beliefs.

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it's not between the left and the right. It's not between the Republicans and the Democrats, or the Liberals and the Conservatives, or the Nazis or the Communists or the socialists or all of these labels that we've been given to worry about. It's not the Masons, it's not the Catholics, it's not the Jews, it's not the Black people. It's not the Christians, it's not the Muslims. All these divisions they want to get us focused on. You know, it's not about any of that. Those all little sub sections

play a part in it. But the overwriting, controlling, dominating force behind it all is an idea, and it's a conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called collectivism and individualism. I found out in my research that those words were well known and used quite extensively one hundred

years ago. You find them in the old books and in old newspapers too, But modern now it's all been scrubbed, and for good reason, because those two words, as strange as they are to the ears of most people today, are fully describing the conflict between left and right. And you know all these things we mentioned before. When you peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism versus individualism, and so are what are the what is that? How

do you define that? And that's what this booklet is all about, is I took all the issues in the in the big book that I'm working on to illustrate support for these principles. I've taken just the principles themselves and put them into a fifty page document, and I'm giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not going to live long enough to get this bloody book finished. Although I'm making progress, I want to get these principles out now. So about ten months ago we made this

little booklet here. This is fifty pages. It's the chasm collectivism versus individualism, and it's everything I have learned about those two topics. It's all there and type and we've got some good illustrations. You can see those in the back.

Sure of illustrate the points that we're making. I think I have found few, very few open minded people, and that's hard to define, but very few people who I would have continued to be on the other side politically from my position that after reading this and going over the these principles, doesn't come to the point where they say, hmm hmm, I guess I've been an individualist all along and didn't know it. It's that simple, it's that clear. We get to thinking of Well, let me back up.

The mantra of collectivism is this, the individual must be sacrificed. Yeah, I fully stated, is the group is more important than the individual and the individual must be sacrificed if necessary, or the greater good of the greater number.

some eggs. And now it could be said many different ways, but the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by the Japanese attack. And they justified that, and they justified keeping the information unknown to the American people because it

was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to convince the American people that we needed to get into World War two as quickly as possible so that we consider at the piece table afterwards and when we redivide the world, and we'll make it a better world. And we probably would save millions of American lives too, because the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our

cities and so forth. And you know, the average American said, oh, oh yeah, I guess, I guess the four thousand sailors we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it, because it's the greater good of the greater number. You know, everything, everything that happens in this world that's horrible is justified by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes, and it's time to recognize that it's time to break that hypnosis that that idea has over us. I learned that

in school. They taught me that the greater good for the greater number was the ideal political position, and most people still think it is.

intention to read that. That's very very important, especially when we look at the last four years how the veil has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the greater good. You know what, people die miserably and it's like, well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, it's for the better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're going to approve this the drug that is out there. Yeah,

thank you so much for joining us. And again this red Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo dot org? Is that the one where people go for the for the red Expo that's coming up. What is the the it can red.

great depth with that. They did a review of the book and she's now published her interview with him that you can find on It's with Steve.

you've worked in. Tell us a little bit about that.

is your understanding of that. But I wanted to tell you sort of my background. So many years ago when I was I went to my first few years of college, and then I studied Chinese in a Hong kongery year. And I came back and the transfer to to the University of Pennsylvania and got a job working first as a busboy, then as a waitress, and then I got

promoted up to be a bartender. And it was in a French restaurant next to the University of Pennsylvania, and it was a two person bar, and my tips and grows were so much bigger than everybody else's that the owner of the it was a very meritocraty I was the only woman. He decided to make me bar manager because I I whatever I was doing it made a lot more money for the house anyway. So the bartenders went on strike because they didn't want to work for a woman, and so they went to the owner, who

was a very He was a very interesting guy. And they said, we're going to strike, and he said, it's not my problem. She's the bar manager. Go tell her it's her problem. So they came to see me and they said, I said, why are you going to strike? And they said, we don't want to work for you because we think you're going to feminize the bar. And I said, well I am, but you're going to make a lot more money, so you know. So anyway, long and short of it, everybody stayed except for the for

the strike leader. And so for the next two months, I made the changes that I wanted to make. But one of my rules was there had to be a man and a woman. You needed it. It was a two person bar, and you had to have a man and a woman. Anyway, but sometimes we you know, we couldn't get a man, we couldn't get a woman. It was so sometimes we'd end up with two women. Sometimes we'd end up with two men. But I got very detailed records of how the bar performed and how the

fits performed. So here's what we learned. After about six months, if I had two women, if I had two men on the bar, the house made X and the bartenders made ten percent of that, so point one x. Okay. If I had two women, the house made one point five x and the bartenders made point one five x

fifty percent better two women than two men. If I had a man and a woman, the house made two x and the bartenders made point two X. So literally, if if you were a man and I put you on with another man, you made half as much that evening as if I put you on with another woman. I mean literally, And it was very interesting. Two months later, I was down in the wine cellar doing the wine order and the the former deputy strike leader, came down screaming at me. It was a Thursday night, which is

our biggest night. How dare you put me on with another man? You're going to cut my tips in half? And I looked at him and I said, I couldn't get another one. I just couldn't get another woman. But do you see the irony in this?

person who was going to build and capture all the tools. Right, you needed a tool and software, an intellectual capital engineer, and then you needed a deal door. So we always had two people who were kind of running the deal. So I kept the same records on and we had a rule that unless we could make ten times for

the client what we could make for ourselves. You know, we didn't want to do the deal, so we felt we needed to get at least a multiple of ten anyway, so we tracked what the client made and we track what we would make. Well, it turned out to be almost the same as the bar business, with a twist. You just had to so if I had two women on the deal, the client would make ten X and we'd make X. If I had two men, the client would make fifteen X and we'd make one point five X.

So it was the opposite of the bar business. Men were better at transactions than client customer service, you know, in the in the bar, so when it came to relationship could appear that women were better. When it came to deals, men were better. But if I had a man and a woman, then the client made twenty x, then we made two xs. So it was the same thing. Now here was the interesting thing. Both initially at the

bar and certainly at the investment bank. The men always wanted to work with other men and the women wanted to work with other women. So I had to be a dictator. It's like, no, you're going to go get a man or you'll be fired. That's how it is, you know. But here's what I saw, And it wasn't sexual so much as energetic. There is something, you know, men and women are very different. And I don't know if you remember that Mel Gibson movie where he says, yeah,

women have five percent more water. But you know, whatever the difference is. If you're going to deal in a human situation and in you know, a big business situation was not going on. You know, the men and a man and a woman team are going to know more, see more, understand more. They're going to see things that a woman. You know, the man's going to see things a woman won't see the woman's going to see things.

And what you realize in a family, you know, after going through those two experiences, I realized, you know, if trying to have a family with two men or a family with two women, it's just not the same. There is a there is a wholeness in terms of seeing

the world, understanding the world, managing risk, understanding. You know, a lot of times in my experience as an investment advisor, the women understood the living equity issues and the men understood the financial equity issues, and you needed both, you know, to integrate and do both. They would. And the other thing I discovered I saw it was financial fraud because I had so many, so many jobs sort of cleaning couples up who'd been hurt by financial fraud or health

care fraud. What I discovered is I can trick a man, or I can trick a woman, but it is almost impossible to trick a man and woman working together. But now I used to have so many women who would tell me, look, my husband does the finances. I don't want to be involved, I don't like it. And I would say no, you have to be involved. You have to be involved because the family has to integrate the financial equity issues with the living equity issues. But the

other thing is he's going to get tricks. Yeah, you know, he's going to get tricked and it's going to be your fault. So you get involved because you know you need both.

and I said, I need your help. You know, we need to I need to do a serious due diligence on this, and I need somebody with a strong technology background. So we spent like one hundred hours working on this. He did one hundred egg because we did a lot of research separate, and then we come together and finally I really felt like I understood. But I took all my final questions and I flew to Baltimore and had

a three hour line with Bill Binnie. I just grilled him on all my questions, and I came away feeling I had a very good understanding of bitcoin and anyway. But since then, every time I talk to somebody who's a bitcoin enthusiast, they say, you don't understand bitcoin, and I say, well, what aspect is that you think I don't understand? Is that I don't understand the exchanges and how they work. I don't understand the custodian issues. I

don't understand the technology. I don't understand you know, how the market works. I don't understand the regular What specifically is it you think I don't understand? And what I discover is I don't understand the religious faith that comes with me.

that would educate me some more anyway. But one of our subscribers posted on Solaria a couple of months ago, you've got to read this new book, Hi, Checking Bitcoin by Roger Vere and Steve Patterson, and so our subscribers usually have very good intelligence and very good recommendation, so I immediately got the book. Read it, you know, and I cannot say enough good things about this book. It is so beautifully written, It is so clear and coherent.

It's very rare to read a book I found on bitcoin and crypto that's really coherent and accessible to a financial professional who's not a technologist anyway.

it didn't. It got it literally got hijacked. If you look at the who controls bitcoin, it's a very small group of people, and they were able to limit its liquidity in a way that made it very useful for pumping and dumping, but not you know, it's very useful for speculation, but it's not useful as a payment system. Yeah, you know, it's it's too It's very very liquid, and of course, if you will, it's still an immature industry.

So if you look at the custodial issues and the fraud issues, you know it's a very unregulated sort of wildness market. The FBI says five point six billion reported losses and crypto reported to them in twenty twenty three.

what happened to Roger? He saw the potential. And one of the delightful things about this book is it took me back to when I was at Hamilton Securities and I realized the potential for digital money and creating our own currencies. I got really excited and we invented a product called Just in Time Money, and I remember those days when we just thought, uh, And I tell the

story in the book review. Eric Hughes had been the was the software developer hacked clipper chip, which was Al Gore's you know, thing to control the Internet and anyway, so Eric came to Hamilton, and Eric and I spent a whole day with the literally the whole firm working on inventing Just in Time Money. And it was so heady because we saw the potential for what decentralized you know,

crypto or something like a cryptocurrency could be. Anyway, and when you read Roger and Steve's book, you get back that enthusiasm of what is pot you know, theoretically possible. It's easy. After you've watched the pumping and dumping, the and the tremendous crime around these things that are going on, and all the wise and disinformation, it's easy to get jaundice. And I love the fact that sort of Roger and Steve got me back in that mood of you know,

you know, you know, there's a new world possible. There really is anyway. So what happened was this book makes very clear something else, and it's it's very highly documented, very heavily footnote. It's a very serious treatment there. I am absolutely sure that there is significant counterfeiting of bitcoin. You know, part of the power bitcoin was supposed to be. You could only create twenty one million, But now what Roger documents. Roger and Steve document the creation. It's called

an inflation bug. And now the reports not just of the one they reported, but of inflation bugs sense. I'm absolutely convinced with the inflation bugs, they can counterfeit. But now that they're doing the ETFs with blackrock, you know, I did a deep dive on precious metal etf Let me tell you the counterfeiting was real. Oh yeah, collateral you know, collateral fraud. The financial system we have does

collabteral fraud every time they have a chance. You know, it's it's kind of like, you know, like not asking a dog to go eat meat. They just anyway they've ever got.

didn't realize that that was a derivative. Film you started seeing changes in the price of gold, and you could see that it didn't track the spot price of gold. It was completely divorced from it. And so that was a key tip. And then all our research is like, oh, now I get it. You know, yes, it's derivative.

limited to twenty one million bitcoin. Now they don't come out and say that in document, but based on what they what I've read about inflation bugs in their book and since, and what I know about ETF's, the counterfeiting is on. So so bitcoin is basically a speculation, and it's rooted in nothing other than the belief that you can get you know, ten more people to come in tomorrow and buy in it. It's basically a tool of ballmania,

you know. And it would have some value if it was a successful little bit payment system, but it's never become that. It's and it's highly unlike then it's going to become that. So so this thing is only as good as sort of the scam. Now, let's go back if you look at what's going on in the economy, David, here's what's going on in the economy. We did a tremendous amount of work this year on plunder capitalism and land grabs and the techniques used to do land grabs.

Now we've spent decades now creating more and more debt, more and more debt, more and more debt, more and more paper. The game of musical chairs is over. The music is stopped, and now everybody's racing to grab the real assets. Okay, and that's now if you want the real assets, who's got the real assets. Howard Lutkin just gave an interview, you know, is the nominee for Secretary of Commerce and have been in competition for Secretary of Treasury,

where he said, don't worry about the debt. You know, the debt's thirty six trullion in the US balance sheet has a five hundred tillion dollars of landed mineral resources. And that's true. Okay. Yeah, And in fact, Trump, in the last Trump administration, the US Geological Survey started doing a survey of all the land and mineral resources of

North America, including what the government owns. So and if you look at the state governments, I mean, the federal government owns a lot and the state's own a law too. So the you know, so, if you're sitting here and you've run up the bitcoin market, you have a small number of people have a tremendous amount of bitcoin. They can't possibly get out at the current situation. You know they can get their money out without crashing the market. Right now, what do they want? They want real assets.

So what you want to do is you want to swap your bigcoin the land for real estate, for precious metals, for real businesses. You want real assets. So how do you get out of your bitcoin and get into the real assets. Well, it's real simple. You get the government to buy your bigcoin and you get the government to sell its land. Right, pretty simple. So you want them to to get They have the real and you have the unreal. So you flip them the unreal and you

get the real. So what's being proposed. What's being proposed is the government announced long term buying programs to buy bitcoin. So the federal government by bitcoin, the States by bitcoin. If you announce a long term buying program and a highly liquid market, you're going to send the price to the moon. And all the guys who started and built this speculation can sell into that. Okay. And not only can they sell their twenty one million bitcoin, they can

sell more than their one million bitcoin. Right, I think there's counterfeit, Okay.

give to the rich. Yeh, it's you know it's And now, if the oil industry said we want the government to start long term buying of our oil, or the agriculture industries that we want long term buying of our agriculture, or the pharmaceuticals said we want the government long term buying of our pharmaceuticals, we would all know what that's about, right.

But for some reason, when the bitcoin enthusiasts say, the vast majority of people don't want to buy our bitcoin, so we want to have government mandate to make them buy our bitcoin with their retirement savings, that's about as

ugly as it gets. And it's very ugly because if you look at how much money those guys poured into donations, you're basically saying, we can bribe the politicians and get them to use your retirement savings to buy bitcoin, because you won't you won't buy it, so we're going to make you buy.

thirty five percent. So what's the game. The game is the government treasury sells treasury bonds to our retirement funds and our iras and four one k's and retirement funds around the world, and then it takes that money and it spends that money it gives that money to Elon Musk to do SpaceX, or it gives that money, you know, the Chinese are subsidizing Tesla, or it gives that money to know to invest in tremendous amounts of AI or the chip acts tremendous money to drive you know, Taiwan

Semi Can. So all the guys who are who are getting that money out of our retirement fund are getting huge up in their companies while we're we're going down thirty five percent financing the game. Now, if you think it's bad in the stock market, because all that stuff,

for the most part, is real. You may disagree with how it's priced or how it's organized, but it's real railroads, you know, real satellites flying around, real chips being put into computers, you know, and so so you know, you're still financing something that has to do with the integration of technology and productive activities. If you take this and buy those guys out of their scam, and they're free to turn around and buy the land and other real estate.

So if you look at some of the trial balloons, RFK at Bitcoin twenty twenty four proposed that the sales of bitcoin should be tax free and secret. So the Treasury is buying it, but they're not saying who they're buying it from. Wow, right, it's secret, and they the people who are selling it, don't have to pay taxes if they roll it into real estate.

end up with a bunch of bitcoin. What are they going to do with that?

like the tokenization King. And I'm very concerned about you know, it's great if you if you get I think the government under Biden was coming directly at him, going to just prohibit it in their face. I'm concerned about what is happening with the Trump administration. As you're pointing out. You know, this one aspect of it here which is very key, which is a switching out of of assets.

But it's also the privacy. And I know you're about financial privacy and the importance of cash and things like that. All this fascination with blockchain exposes all of that, and so that's another aspect.

we had type borders before digital technology existed. So I don't want to hear you know, that's a bunch of huey, so you know, but they're using that as an excuse. And I just saw one of the business newsletters I get said that Congress will start off by doing addressing election fraud and immigration right off the bat. And my fear is that's an excuse to do a digital ID.

Now you have the States pushing the real ID. They've been trying to push the real ID ever since since nine to eleven, but it's been going slow at the States, and we need to do everything we can. You know, if I was a state legislator, I just get the real ID thrown out of the DMV and we need to do that.

don't behave. We can turn off your money, or we can limit your money in a whole variety of ways, and we can institute taxation without representation. Then the third thing we need to stop is what we want is we want the people's representatives to control and operate fiscal policy. We don't want the central bankers controlling fiscal policy in addition to monetary policy. The rise of the deep state correlates almost perfectly with the rise of private corporations and

banks doing government operations. Okay, the idea that somehow DOSEE is going to go in there, acquire all the civil servants and put in big tech contractors and things are going to get better, Nope, it's the opposite. If you've if you finished getting rid of the civil service, you will end up with the central banks and intelligence agencies controlling and running everything, because that's who the corporations and the defense contractors and the big tech companies are going

to report to. They're not going to report to Congress. You know, Congress is you know that it's that's the game over. So those are the.

if they could be terrible. What we cannot afford is an all digital system because it will be controlled by the people who control the hardware.

the fact that we have digital cash. That's what they need to be focused on. The CBDC. They realize because they watch conversations on social media. They realize that we're onto that game. So they spend that game in a different way and come around at a different angle.

you can link to it. It's called what the States can do Building a legal and financial infrastructure for financial Freedom, And it goes through is a very serious look at all the different areas that a governor or state legislature can implement to protect financial freedom within their jurisdiction, so that no matter what the guys in Basel, Switzerland, or what the guys in Washington or Wall Street do, you

can have financial freedom within your state. And the beauty of the states, as you know, is they under the constitution, the powers not delegated the federal government are reserved in states. The states have the power to protect our financial freedom in a way that protects our governmental and individual sovereignty. And that was we've the Selary team has been working night and day for two years to figure out, working with different legislators and state leaders, how to do this,

and that information is up. I encourage you to download, read it, send it to all the legislators. There's so many great things that can be done. And for everything we cover, David, we give you links and citations to the states that have either done it or proposed it, so you can find your counterparties around the country who are working on this. Because there's a lot of good coordination between the treasurers, the ags and the different state legislators.

You know, we're out well, you know, it's almost like by twenty twenty two, we figured, okay, we got to do this. You know, we're on our own.

get to know them, I don't know. You know, that's the guide for you to get to know. Help you get to know your state legislators and know sort of how to get into the process and how to get yourself acclimated. So that's there is a resource too. I also want to mention we've announced we're going to take one of the briefings I do and ask Catherine and the Silary team and do a briefing in the second Thursday of every month. We're reserving that time to brief

state legislators. And the first briefing is on January ninth, on Thursday. It's for state legislators, state officials and their staff, and state bankers if they want to invite the state bankers with them, and of course the subscriber who ranges it is invited as well. And that's the first one in January ninth is going to be on the bitcoin

reserve scam. And we have a lot of state legislators who who are receiving they're getting ASTRA to our females, and so they need to understand what is this, how does it work? Is it a good idea? Is it not a good idea? If it's not a good idea, why and how do I explain it to my constituents and think it is a good idea?

bitcoin reserve. And he said at Bitcoin twenty twenty four that he would do that, and I think he has the power to do that if you look at the idea of moving it to treasury and moving in accounts without Congress's approval. I mean, if I was Congress, I

would nail him on that. Number one. But number two, the idea Kennedy proposed by executive order that he would he would free them from the capital gains tax, which you know that is unconstitutional for a president by executive order to make a radical change in American tax law without congress. Oh yeah, without a comment period from the public. I mean that's you know, hello.

constitution that's not important. Laws that are not important. Financial practices, you know, good financial practices and rules. No, we don't have to do that. It's young, it's innovative, it's creative, it's the future.

I wrote a paper called Seleary Paper Number one. It's up in our Missing Money website, and it's a review of the Federal credit and it shows you all the things that are wrong with the Federal credit. David, we have run the federal credit that I know of since nineteen ninety six, and we have refused to obey the financial management laws. We have run the government significantly outside of the financial management laws, and in a way I

would describe as criminal. And we know that there's two anyone train that we've identified missing, and we know they announced under the last Trump administration to take the book start Now, if you're serious about reform, the first thing you do is you say, I'm going to bring the government back into compliance with the financial management laws. That's

number one. Number two, I'm going to find out, We're all the twenty one tree in one and I'm going to get it back, or I'm going to get the related assets back, and I'm going to hold livel and responsible for people who stole it, right, I mean, I'm going to reverse the financial coup. And then the third thing I'm going to do is I'm going to take a look at all of our assets and you know, whether it's our people or our land, and I'm going to say, how do we get back to being productive?

Step one is we've got to stop poisoning our kids.

I want to just get to the truth. He said, but we used to have you know, one in every hundred thousand was autistic. Now it's one in every hundred dollars. My numbers say it's one in every there's differences in the people I know between twenty and thirty. Yeah, but whatever the number is. What he looks saying is you can't. You can't. You have no future as a civilization. Mh, you have no future. You can't let that go. You have to get to the bottom of it and you

have to fix it. And she couldn't have cared less.

to see what happens. You know, we talk about pump and dump, one of the things that immediately comes to mind over this last year is artificial intelligence and the things that is that going to be a big bubble that's going to burst the stock market because I've never seen a pump and dump like AI ever, and all the amazing things that's going to do, and of course it will have some useful purposes. But we already saw the dot com bust. You know, the internet was going to be a big deal.

That's always the truth. But I think one of the reasons the talks are flying is the government is throwing so much money at it because they need it for the control grid, not because it creates fundamental economics.

He was really taken back by the frankness of the Biden administration. It's kind of people they are are. They're so incredible, that is frank.

in the world. But one of my unanswered questions is is the reason these guys want total complete control is so they can bring out free energy because they're terrified of bringing it out. You know, free energy can be weaponized. It can be very dangerous. So do they want total control so they can finally bring out free energy?

And so you see things like carbon taxes, and you see this carbon sequestration, which is another scam that I see developing there in the background with Trump and these people around him. I mean that that's going to be a they're going to come out to tell people you can buy, you can use any kind of energy you want, but you just got to pay us.

once you did, you know that's a problem. But you know there's there's a difference between the problem being a currency problem and an organized crime problem or a secret Our problem is we have a secret governance system. We don't have a financial problem. We have a we have a political problem. We have a secret governance system, and it's trying to centralize in control in a way that.

in a continuing resolution. But it's looking more and more to me like perhaps they as they start putting out this narrative about radiation, I get concerned about a false flag, dirty bomb or something to escalate. Well, what do you think is going.

it's a legitimate national security concern. Whatever that is. We can speculate about that. This other thing is if you look at how much money they've put in the defense authorizations to build drunk capacity and where those people are, you know, it's a lot of this is happening in those corridors, and this could be sort of prototyping to get people ready for the control grid.

in Chicago. I remember I had one member of the intelligence agency you tried to persuade me that when they thought they couldn't get a rand concert or really you know, keep the lid on it that they were prepared to blow up a small you know, a suitcase snooke in Chicago.

call a primary theme. And I'm a great believer coming out of the investment community that at any given time, there there are twenty to twenty five primary trends that are driving our world, like the you know, the growth in space or the shift of economic activity to Asia. These are long live trends, or at the bull market and goal. These are long live trends if you take the time to understand them, learn about them. You know,

you get that knowledge, and then it's good. You know, it's good for twenty years because it's a long live trend. And you're looking at the one we just did on water, and everybody said to me, water, why is the clearly report you know you're laying is money? Why are you doing waters? The number one most important thing to the to the financial value of a in real estate, it's good water if the community has good water. Remember that

town in California where they stopped the water system. They said, we can't afford to do it anymore, and suddenly these five hundred thousand dollars houses were worth nothing. There was no water system. You know, imagine so anyway, but water is very, very important to the health and well being

in place. And one of the things I always say the families, if you're going to reverse your situation in the Great Poisoning, if you want to get out of the Great Poisoning and get really healthy The first thing you have to pay attention to is, you know, what is the water you're drinking, what is the water you're bathing, and what's the water you're putting on the you know, on your garden, on your food. So anyway, so this

the last one was on water. The next one coming out will include all the material on what the states can do. But we also did a deep dive on land bread. What did the tactics used to do land grab and anyway, there's a wealth of information that can help you with the state level. Really deal with the fact that there's a whole group of people trying to grab our land and in the meantime stick you know, Ponzi schemes into our pension funds.

And there's no if you look at Rogers qualifications to to and and the book speaks for itself because if you look at the research, the footnoting the material, it's impeccable.

I recall reason reported men tend to look at large systems and politics, federalism, et cetera, while women tend to stay more local on school kids and politics and so forth and yeah again, Guard Goldsmith, Liberty Conspiracy every Night and on rock Fan and on Twitter and Drameda one. Thank you very much for the tip, says Katanji. Brown Jackson identifies as a woman. Actually can't explain why a woman is because she's not a biologist. We're living in the twilight zone. Merry Christmas, Thank you.