Well, welcome back. I'm joining us now as our guest Matt Troella, And of course I've interviewed him several times in this excellent book, The Doctor and the Lesser Magistrate, talking about the history secular and church history, about how do we, you know, how should government be structured? And you know, what do we do? Do we just blindly follow the leader? Do we just do whatever Hitler tells us? Or do we exercise some kind
of moral responsibility? And what we do? And so when I saw this story a teen arrested while preaching the gospel during a drag Queen event, I saw that he was in Wisconsin. I thought, oh, I wonder if that's Matt and I looked, and sure enough it was someone from his church.
So I wanted to get Matt on talk about that and talk about The Doctor and the Lesser Magistrate, because so many times we talked about somebody at the local level who stands in the gap against a corrupt upper official, right who is you know, maybe a state official, maybe a federal official or something like that. But what do we do with the corruption that's there? And that's what people always say, Well, you know, we got an awful sheriff in our area. And that's what I've said that you see in
twenty twenty could see what happened. They could see that, you know, the depending on who the local officials were, that made all the difference in the world. And I said, that's why we've got to focus more on what is happening in our community than what is happening in the district of Columbia. That's the more important thing. These people can stand in the gap, but they can also be really bad if they are there. So joining us now, as Matteill is great to talk to you again, Matt. Yeah,
good to be with you, David. And I love that you mentioned the movie True Grit. It's a favorite here at the Chuola Home. Yeah, nomint all, it's one of my favorites. I especially like the remake. I thought it was even better than the one with John Wayne but oh absolutely yeah. But yeah, let's talk about this because you got somebody there in your church, a teenager, nineteen year years old, and Marcus Schroeder,
this is a guy with true grit, absolutely has true grit. He stood up to these people and let me just start before we start talking about it, just so people can see this. I've got video of his arrest, and they can get an idea of what happened and how he reacted because they're charging him, amongst other things, with resisting arrest. And if you see this video and now that you see that he's not resisting arrest one word.
Even in this, you still love your neighbor as yourself. But if you bought and devour one another, see where or less you be consumed by one another? Hey, what are you doing? What are you doing? What is the problem? You hear that feedback here the police officer grabbed this is the same one that we ever grabbed his mic And that's why you heard the feedback. They say we can, we can? They say we can speak out here in the sidewalk freely. Nobody told us that there's often there's
no amplification. Are you guys reacting like thugs? Man there, straight up thugs. Hey, you're you're you're taking away money. He has every right to be out here engaging in speech. He has every right to be out here engaging in speech. Okay, so you get the idea of what is going on, Matt, tell us a little bit more about it from your perspective. Sure, well, as you know. Yeah, the Sodomites control like every major city in America with their evil influence. And so now they've
gone into the hill and dale. They've gone out to the villages, the towns. They're pushing this filth everywhere. Vector's NGOs, non government organizations and just private organizations who come courting these villages and towns with money and so and lawyers and so. Most of these officials in these small towns and villages cave in, either because they want the money or because they're in timidated by the lawyers. And they know that wicked people now have the force of law behind
them. Because we live in a nation we're good is now evil, and evil is now good. So I run into people all the time who say, look what they're doing in my town. I tell him, you must confront it. If you don't confront it, if you listen to your average churchmen who says, oh, no, we should just be liked and go along and blah blah blah, you won't even recognize your community five years from now because this evil is so pervasive. So Watertown's one of these small communities.
They did it for the first time last year. I was out there with other people last year, speaking up, ministering, speaking to those attending, rebuking the officials. This year, we had a much larger crowd. They had more people, about one hundred and seventy five, but we had about one hundred Christians out there, which was awesome to see. And the police made it clear early on who they are going to aid in a bet, and they made it clear they were going to aid in a bet the
wicked people. Understand, David, we have a statute ninety eighth five and ninety eight eleven here in Wisconsin, which makes it clear that the sexualizing of children in a public venue is a crime. Yeah, and so they could have arrested these drag queens who are up on this stage gyrating around dressed completely inappropriately, disgustingly. And here's the adults and the children giving them dollar bills as they danced through the crowd like they're at some strip club or something.
Exactly exactly what it is. It's a recreation of that, except they do it with homosexual men instead of with women. You know, that kind of stuff has always been prohibited for children, and it's something that you know, has to be kept off of the streets as well. But now it's okay because it's the LGBT people who are doing it. It's amazing, that's right, that's right. And so we're out there and the police don't arrest them. Instead, what the police decided to do is come and arrest some of
the Christians. So there was this park called Riverside Park in Watertown, and the police said, if you go inside the fenced area. Because I've been to these rodeo shows before, right, it's my first time out on the street. And when you're in a park, it's kind of a quasi public thing. When someone has a permit to use it, you can still be there as long as you aren't disrupting anyone. You can hold a sign, you can talk with people. You're not going to go up on stage and
disrupt thing or stand up and disrupt. They'll take you out. Well, they arrested one woman from our church simply because she was inside the fenced area holding a sign. They charged her with an ordinance for planting a sign. I looked, I said, first thing to do. She was a little concerned. It said, the first thing you do is look up the ordinance itself. I looked it up, and I'm like, this ordinance doesn't even
apply to you. This is where like if someone attaches some thing to a telephone pole, or if they plant the sign in the ground, you are holding your sign. When you're holding your sign, that's First Amendment activity that men fought, bled and died for us to possess. So I told her,
I said, you're in fine shape regarding this. In fact, we had the same thing happened down at the death camps the abortion clinics years ago in Milwaukee, and we won at the appellate level challenging the police for arresting us for holding signs outside the abortion clinic. It was ridiculous. So they also arrested a couple of young people and one of them happened to be my sixteen year old daughter. And my sixteen year old daughter was taken into the
command post there's the venue itself. Did the handcuff. They did not handcuff. They had a cop on each side with their arms. They said you are under arrest, and they took her into the command post that they had there. So they arrested another young man, also one of my son in laws, and took him into the same command post. They let him go with the citation that said you can't be in a park anywhere in any Watertown's
parks for the next seven days. And I looked up the statute their ordinance and yeah, the city gave them authority to do that, so fine. They ended up letting my daughter just go about thirty minutes later. But while we were there, there was like ten police officers lined up outside the command
post and some Christians were engaging them. So I took the opportunity at that point while my daughter was in there, to engage the police and the doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate, and went into a little history and simply explained to them that according to Romans thirteen, their duty is to punish evil and reward the good, and that they've turned it all on their head and they have
instead decided to punish those who are good and reward the evil. It was very powerful, and in fact, if viewers would like, I maybe you could put that in the details box of this show. Later there's a two and a half minute video of me addressing the police there in Watertown. So this is nothing new. When you look down through history, you'll notice that from time to time, men make evil through law, and that's what's happened here. Your mayor, the civil authorities here are joining with evil. And
those of you who are lesser magistrates you carry the guns. You're not just mere robots for the state. You have to answer to God also for what you do. So when they do something contrary to His law and word, your duty is not to obey them, but to tell them no. It's called the inner position of the lesser magistrate. Extremely important to understand it. Romans thirteen again for those of your officers who just arrived, makes it clear
that your duty is to punish the evil doers. That would be the people over there that are sexualizing children, and your duty is to reward those who do good. That would be the people you've arrested. So you've totally perverted your God given functional role, turned it on its head. And we wonder
how did evil get a foothold in Germany in the Soviet Union. It was because of the blithe compliance of all the authorities that one after another down the food chain said yeah, I'm going to look out for myself rather than do what's right and say no, this is wrong and this is wrong. What they're doing here is evil. This would are you kidding me? Do you see what's going on up in that stage? Do you see they're normalizing this to the minds of the children when you're older. These are the kids.
They'll be the people who decide whether you live or die when you're elderly. This is what they're training them in. So you have to make a decision to either go along, to get along, or to some point make a stand, like at the very least, you shouldn't be arresting the good guys and letting the bad guys have free rain. Your duty is to arrest the bad guys. There is an ordinance right here in town regarding instructing children and
sexual matters. What do you think that's all about. They're instructing children and sexual matters. You could arrest them, but you chose not to. You chose to arrest the Christians who are simply out here praying and offering literature to people. And at that site. Also, we have a list of other videos from the day showing the arrests that took place, because there's four people arrested in all, including this young man Marcus Schroeder, who you had mentioned.
Earlier who attends our congregation. In fact, he's one of only about five people I've ever met in my life. He told me he's listened to every one of my sermons that are posted publicly, which of course is hundreds and hundreds, and well, I can see he's in a great I can see the effective and listening to your sermons as well. And what this guy did beause I've got a clip of him standing before the council. Let's play that now since we're talking about Marcus, and then you can tell us atle
bit more about him. Here he is talking to the council and at the beginning of the program, let's just call it that. Let's not add the city there, it's just the council. So many Christians have been hauled before the council so many times. Here's what he said. Here he is, I get a picture of the room. Goodnight. I just wanted to ask a simple question. I know, you know ZI group showed up at the event Saturday and people were talking about that, and I just wanted for all
of us to really think about this. What's rawn with Nazism? Like, seriously, what's wrong with Nazism? Because imagine for a moment, that there's no God above us, no how below us, no heaven to live for, as John Lennon wanted to imagine, if we are truly the result of evolved starred us and our ancestors were fish and were the descendants of monkeys,
then where do we find our value as human beings? What's rawn with Nazism unless if you understands that the God of Scripture says that we are made in his image, and so to murder innocent people is a violation to God's commands. As a Christian, I can say that Nazis what the Nazis did and Nazi Germany was completely horrific, and that they should have been resistant. In fact, the number one people group that resisted the Nazis were Christians and the
reason why. The reason why was because they had a worldview that says that people are made in God's image and that they have worth and value. That's why Nazism is wrong. But if we're going to reject the Christian worldview, then we can't hold on to the fruit that comes from the Christian worldview, will denying the actual foundation. Intolerance is an interesting word. Tolerance, Intolerance, hatred, love, bigotry, things like that, because really every culture
has something that it's intolerant towards and something that it's tolerance of. I mean, there are things like murder and rape and and you know, stealing and just crimes that we are intolerant towards as a society. And so every society has something that's intolerant towards. The question is just what is our object of intolerance and what is our object of tolerance. When I showed up Saturday, all I did was read from scripture on the sidewalk. I read from the
Bible Galacians. And by the way, I wasn't reading romans want, I wasn't reading any passage that spoke against homosexuality or anything like that. I was reading a passage from the Bible about love. And I was arrested no reason, not given any warning, not told anything about my amplification need to be turning down. I was arrested and taken into custody simply for reading the Bible
on the sidewalk. You see, as we've become more and more tolerant of sexual im morality in our culture, we've become more and more intolerant towards Christian morality, and the more we become intolerant towards Christian morality, the more we're
going to see lawlessness in our streets. The more we become intolerant of Christian morality, the more we're going to see Nazis, the more we're going to see people who don't hold to a Christian worldview, who think that everybody is a result of animals, and therefore, if we are animals, then why can't we just act like animals. We were called a hate group, we were told that we don't want to understand the other side, and I just want to set the record straight. I am more than happy to have that
conversation with the other side. I did speech and debate throughout high school, and one of the things that we were taught in debate is that you can't an argument for your side, and so you're able to make the argument for the other side. I've sat down and had hours of discussions with LGBTQ activists. I completely understand the other side. I want to understand the other side, but drag queens twerking on kids in lingerie is unacceptable, and that's something
that we have to notice as a culture. We can have our disagreements, but there comes a time when we have to understand that we are all going to stand before God one day and we're going to have to give an account for what we have done with the children in our society, the innocent minds and the children who deserve to be protected. Thank you, Wow, well, great speech Marcus Schroeder nineteen years old, somebody who is a student of yours, and it certainly does show Matt. That was well said and he
hit all the points out. YEA, yeah, amazing he did. He's a good young man. He was raised in a good Christian home. His mother and father poured so much into him and it's been blessing in an honor to know him over the last few years while as he attended our congregation and be able to pour into his life more. And there was about thirty young people out there that day, and most of them are very well spoken. And what I've always noticed when the young people come out, David, it's
so encourages the older people. Yes, because so often you go to Christian gatherings now to speak out publicly, and it's mostly gray haired people, that's what I see. And so when they see yeah, when they see so many young people, it is a great encouragement to their heart. It really is, it really is. That's one of the reasons why I want to cover this because you typically don't see that. And so tell us a little bit about you know where what happens at this point. You know where he
spoke before the council. I mean, we've seen recent things like this in Pennsylvania, a similar thing. We had a guy show up at one of these events and the police immediately arrested him. They have now thrown those charges out because there's no basis for that. This is the type a thing we've been seeing for years, years in the UK, and it's gotten you know, everywhere you see this. Even had a person arrested in front of an
abortion clinic for bowing her head and praying silently. That's just beyond imagination. But that's happening in the UK, and now this stuff is coming to America. And if you point out, it's not just in the big cities, it's in places like reading, Pennsylvania, It's in places like this small town in Wisconsin that you are at. So it truly is amazing. And so where is this at this point in time. Yeah, Like, as Marcus said, as tolerance for evil continues to grow in our culture, intolerance for
Christian morality will continue to grow. And as you point it out, it is growing. I mean, I know twenty three Christians right now that are looking up to thirty two looking at up to thirty two years in prison for simply peacefully interposing to keep a preborn baby from being murdered. Is that the faith? That's what they're looking at. The fact stuff, yeah, fathact Yeah, yeah, And just those trials have just started this week. Yeah.
And one of the people who had start his family swat team, he's now going to run for Congress, So good for him, Good for him. Yeah, good to hear. What's happening in Watertown is last night they had a private meeting between the police and the council to talk all about what happened there and about an impossible impending lawsuit coming against them, And that is
a possibility. We'll see as far as Marcus's charges go. I think it's looking like Liberty Council may represent him on that and take care of everything and good and you know, intervene in the situation. And I don't know how far they plan on taking things from there. But this is a growing thing.
And what's unfortunate is that often when people are arrested outside these events, and it's even happened in California where Christian people and non Christian people have come out against this filth and they get arrested while all the filthy drag queen stuff continues on. But what it does often to most people is it intimidates them not to want to come and speak out. Unfortunately, it should when we see that in boldness, right, it was gonna be like, yeah,
where's the battle, Let me get to the front line. That's how we should think as Christians. But for most Christians, they don't think that way. They're intimidated further into their silence. And that's the worst thing you can do when evil is in the land is be silent and accommodate yourself to it. And that's by and large what Christianity has been doing for forty years now while this juggernaut of homosex has been tramping across the country. I'm reading Greg
Bohnson's work called Homosexuality from nineteen seventy eight right now. Everything he said in seventy eight David is still applicable to today regarding all of the presupposition that they sell this evil and filth through and on. So it's extremely important. While the Church has spent all this time wanting to be loving, which just is a misnomer for being indifferent towards this homo sex, they have taken the nation.
And so it's encouraging to see some Christians who realize they no longer have the convenience of being indifferent towards the unjust and evil actions of their government and evil actions of men, and must speak out and proclaim Christ and point men to him. That's right, I said. For the longest time, I said, Look, they say that they want tolerance, but as Marcus pointed out, you know, what are you going to tolerate? You know,
if you tolerate, and what are your standards of tolerance. But in addition to that, they don't want tolerance. They demand that you celebrate what they do, and you must celebrate it, and they want to celebrate it with pride, and you know, through Pride Month, there was one incident where I think it was in California. We had men parading down the street naked and somebody called up the police and said, I want to report a naked man who's walking down the street. And the cops said, where is it?
Oh, wait a minute, you're talking about the Pride parade. That's okay, you know, And it's like, why is that okay? Why is that okay? That should not be okay? I know, watch standard? Is that okay? Why does that guy get a pass for doing this stuff? Why can they do this lewd sexual behavior with kids? I mean, we have all kinds of restrictions for kids. These are the people who want to say, well, you know, can't have guns. You gotta take the you know, can't drive, can't have guns. Gonna take this
further. And I agree with a lot of those restrictions because kids are not adults. They don't let kids in casinos, they don't let kids in bars, and yet they let these people do this stuff in public on the streets and do it with kids. That's the thing that is truly amazing and must not be tolerated. It cannot be tolerated, I agree, And it needs
to be approached two ways. One to the people who are out on the streets bringing God's word and gospel to men, and it also needs to be engaged at the magisterial level with the magistrates, at the county, local, village, city level. You have to go, I love what you said earlier. Get your eyes off the shiny object over by the Potomac. You know. It's just like we need to think locally and around where we live
and engage at that point. So you have to take the magistrates. The magistrates need to hear from you, and like Marcus went to the meeting to speak, we teach our people that here routinely. So you go to the streets and you go to the places where the officials are gathering and hold public
meetings, and you speak. It has to be twofold. Another group that was out there that day you heard Marcus mentioned the Nazis, which we don't know if they were actually Nazis. The flags they had looked like they were just rolled out of a piece of plastic never been used before, and they were all massed up. You couldn't see. They could have been federal agents, they could have been Antifa, who knows who they are. But another
group that was out there was the Gaze against groomers. And what's concerned to me, David, and I've seen many Christians and Conservatives. They get all excited, Yay, the homosexuals are here to speak against transgenderisms. You know what, I'm thinking to myself, are you crazy? The only reason we're at the point of drag queen shows for children and child genital mutilation is because of our nation's acceptance of homosex to begin with, because we spit on God's
law regarding sodomy so many decades ago. This is why we're where we're at now. You don't join with evil people, you don't join with wicked men and say let's take a stand together against evil, because the only reason we're at this evil is because of the evil that they practice in their own lot.
I agree. I've played, I've played. I agree. I've played clips from Gaze against groomers, not to elevate them, but to tell people, look, uh, they're they're pointing out that this is coming after kids and under which you know what kind of Again, they are practicing homosexual sex and all the rest of the stuff. But you know this is they're pointing out, this is going into pedophilia, it's going into the next thing,
and it is a logical progression. But even they're saying, you know, hey, I don't want to be a part of this, and so where do they draw the line? How did they know how to draw the line not basing it on some moral standard, And that's that's how we get onto this slippery slope. But it's to underscore the fact that, as a matter of fact, there was some guy who was all made up as a drag queen at one point in time. I've played his clip and he said,
hey, I want to talk to you heterosexual mothers out there. You don't understand what this is. I mean, this whole scene is about sex and drugs. You're naive if you think that you're teaching your kids tolerance, you're teaching them the sex and drug stuff. And I know because I'm a quote unquote conservative drag queen. We've also seen the same stuff about the celebration of a Bruce Gender, you know, as he calls himself Caitlin and Sean Hannity
falls all over himself. Oh look, we've got somebody who's a transgender. If I put them on my show, that shows how tolerant and open minded I am. And I could get Bruce Gender to talk about how he doesn't want women in sports. But of course he's fine with the rest of this stuff, right, Yes, no, And that's exactly that's a great point. It is so evil that they even see that. It's evil. Yeah, as you're pointing out and what we've seen, and we're probably near the
same age. I've watched this for decades now. One generation accepts something, you know, tolerate something I should say, and the next generation accepts it as completely normal. And so now here the line is transgender is gental's mutilation. Twenty thirty years ago, the line was homosex. Ten years after that, it was homosexual marriage. We just keep stepping. The decline just continues. What matters is God's standard, that's right, which doesn't change what is
His law and word declare on this matter. Yeah, and we even have people like Andy Stanley, Charles Stanley's son, how they're saying the most courageous people in this church are the LGBT people. And he's holding events now to help parents with their LGBT kids. Here's how you accept them and all the rest of this kind of stuff. It's like, that's not that's not what the parents are supposed to be teaching their kids. But he's completely left the
Bible. You know, if he started out a couple of years ago saying, well, the Old Testament doesn't apply, we can forget about that. Now, we can forget about this, and then it does forget about the rest of this stuff. And he was one of the people who was adamant that we had to keep the churches locked down, and he was attacking people who opened up their churches in twenty twenty. It is all part of the
same perspective, I think. And when we talk about the lesser magistrates on a different issue in terms of the lockdown issue, I'm sure you remember in Moscow, Idaho, the people and Doug Wilson's church out there and how they had like an open air sing and they had some people that got arrested, three or four people arrested. That's now been resolved as of July. In January, they were found to be not guilty, and the judge really read them the Riot Act. He said, look in your own regulation that you
created, you referenced both the Idaho and the US Constitution. He said, we cannot, we cannot. We allowed for exceptions, and that said any and all expressive activity and associative activity protected by the Idaho Constitution the US Constitution, including speech, press, assembly, and or religious activity. And yet they still arrested these people who were in a public square and who were singing, because they said that violated their COVID regulations. And the judge said,
nobody in your organization ever read this exception since ridiculous. And so six months later the three people got arrested. They paid them a total of three hundred thousand dollars settlement. And we should go for this type of punishment. I know that it comes out of the taxpayer's pocket, but it has to be something that people see as punishment and as admission of wrongdoing. And of course there's still another case that is, you talked about one of the people from
your church being given a fine or something for holding a sign. And after this happened with the scene, you had Doug Wilson's kids or something did some stickers and said welcome to Soviet Moscow and put them on poles, and they took pictures of it. And they are all kinds of stickers on these polls, and yet they single them out. They were the only ones that they came after with and charged them with a crime, and so that's still in
play there. But that's the kind of vindictiveness and selective prosecution that we expect to see out of this kind of persecution because it really is a political persecution at this point, isn't. Yeah, And they'll win that case too, because it's content discrimination. You leave all the other speech up there on the poll is single them out and charge them. Yeah, that's that's a that's that'll be an easy win for them. You know, when you look at
that, the other groups are getting involved. As I told people in Watertown that day, I said, we got the Nazis here. We have to gaze against grumers here. Do you see why it's so important for us as Christians to be here. Yes, we need to bring Christian thought to this fight, to this battle. Yes, And it's encouraging to see more and more Christians engaging in the battle. That's right. Let's talk about that.
Because Marcus was reading a passage they said it was about love, he said, it wasn't about Hey, I wasn't calling him out on their sin. You know, there's plenty of passages that he could have used Old Testament and New Testament to talk about their sin. And you know, people new need to understand their need for Christ. So they need to understand what their sin
is. That's the point leading you to Christ. You've got to understand why you need him while you stay in condemned or you're not going to be interested in hearing about it. And so you know, we don't we don't avoid that. But he wasn't even talking about that at that point in time. He was talking about what real love is. Talk a little bit about that what he was saying in Galatians. Yeah, I wasn't there when Marcus was arrested. They had a two pronged thing that day. One was in the
morning hours. I was there from like ten thirty to twelve thirty when the other arrests took place, and then his arrest took place when they reconvened around four pm to do further activities from four to six. So I don't know what He didn't need to express what his point was, because they swooped in on him, didn't even give him a warning, just grabbed him, handcuffed him, grabbed the mic out of his hand, and whisked him over to
the command center. So I don't know what they figured out he was going to read from the Bible. That's it. That's not going to be allowed. Yeah, that was it. I'm not gonna let you read anything from the Bible's uh So, you know, because I guess pretty much they realized that that the whole warp and wolf of the thing is against what they're supporting there at that point in time. But you've also been very active in terms
of pro life stuff. And you know, I my wife when we were living in Austin, there was an abortion uh let's call it a facility there that there was a She was part of a protest that that was there, and they were holding up signs and that was the first time I ever saw
Antifa that came up there. And I was at work, and this happened while I was at work, and she went there with my teen daughter, and these Antifa people showed up with just a black sign and tried to put they had nothing to the point is, they had nothing to say, and they didn't want to try to defend their practices. They just wanted to cover up what she had there. And so they come up with their sign, this big guy and he puts his sign in front of her sign. So
she goes down low. He goes download and she goes up. Fine, they're going back and forth, up and down because he's trying to keep his black signe in front of her signe. But it truly was amazing, and she got some pictures of them and they were just defiant, saying, I kill my kids and I'm proud of it, you know. So one woman said, you got that on video. It truly is amazing how hardened these
people are. And that's the way you see with the LGBT stuff. Now, this is an entitlement, and if you get between them and your children, then you're committing genocide to them, because that's the way that they reproduce
is mentally and spiritually, isn't it. Absolutely no, they're predators and they look to, you know, get other people's children into their evil ways because they don't have children themselves, unless, of course, they joined together in our society as quote unquote husband and wife and then are able to adopt a child, which is just pure evil in and of itself. Once you call what God calls criminal, you call it not a crime. That's right.
You've allowed all kinds of evil to just exacerbate itself, including little children, taking them to homes by two men or two women and taught a corrupt, evil lifestyle. That's right. Yeah, yeah, I cannot cannot embrace that. We had an employee in our store and she was a very good employee. She was a store manager, a really nice person. Well, never had any problem with her, and then one day she she's a lesbian, and she came to us and said, I'd like for you to sign this
document. We're trying to adopt a child. And I said I can't do that, and that was the end of the relationship. But I just couldn't do it. You know, she was very nice person, but I could not do that to a child. Could not. No, amazing, Yeah, how could you in good conscious? Absolutely not. Yeah, but that's what happens. It proliferates into so many areas of life to where now And as you said, we're old enough to remember when they just wanted fair hearing
in a fair playing field. No, we soon learned that there really is no neutrality because once they had the upper hand. Now they demand everybody affirm and they will use the force of law or costs you your job if you don't conform to their evil thinking. That's right, yeah, and we say it is no neutrality. You're right, and we've seen that, of course with the Marxists and with free speech as well. It used to be the free speech thing was all based in Berkeley and everything. Where are they coming
the most after free speech? Now it's in these types of liberal academia. You know, now that they've got the upper hand, now that they've taken over the institutions, they will not tolerate the values that we put in there. And that's exactly what Marcus was saying. You know, here in Tennessee, in Nashville, where they had the transgender go in and murder a bunch of children in a Christian school, murdering them point blank, shooting them.
We're not allowed to see the transgender's manifesto, but we have a manifesto of a sorts, because we now have in Nashville, Tennessee, a transgender guy who is pretending to be a woman. He's going by the name of Olivia Hill, and he's now just made the runoff and talking about how he is a proud transgender woman. I'm sorry, go ahead, Hello, do we lose you? I'm still here? Okay, good, good good. We're
getting some for some reason. Oh okay, all right, he ran an ass in Nashville and he said that the transgenders are under attack from right wing conservatives. That's to see opposite. You had a Christian school where the nine year old kids were executed by this transgender and he points out that they're under attack by conservatives. It's absolutely amazing how they turn everything upside down and inside out, isn't it, Matt? Exactly? They provoke, they poke,
and yet any kind of response, they play the victim. And even when one of their people murders children, they still want to play the victim. Our own governor here in Wisconsin put out something that was despicable, basically pointing everyone saying that, well, we kind of should expect that to happen, because, yeah, look at how badly these transgender people are treated. The
guy's evil. And I've seen so many government officials talk exactly like that, and unfortunately, the will quote unquote good magistrates or Christian magistrates are overwhelmingly silent on these matters, and they need to speak. And one of the things that helps encourage them to speak, are we the people. You need to contact them and tell them you need to take a stand against this filth, this evil. You need to speak or bring legislation regarding the evil that's being
done here. It was good to see that Tennessee passed the law to bring an end to all this public Yes, I believe it was Tennessee drag queen stuff, that's right. Yeah, it was blocked momentarily by a Trump appointed judge and then it got that drudge got shut down later on. But going back to this woman who was running not a woman as a guy, as
a woman who was running for Nashville City Council. The people who have endorsed him the Metropolitan Nashville Education Association, So there's the teachers behind him, some the Nashville Business Coalition, and the Tennessee advocates for Planned parenthood. Now there is no planned parenthood clinic in Tennessee because Tennessee has made an abortion illegal from
the moment of fertilization, and so there is no planned parenthood here. But they have allied themselves with this transgender movement nevertheless, because again they put themselves in a position to profit from this stuff by giving life altering and sterilizing drugs to young children. And so you know, they want to be a part of murdering or mutilating children in any way that they can for money. And so you know, these are the people who are supporting this individual running for
council in Tennessee. It truly is amazing, but it is good that that it. You know, they have fought them on the mutilation stuff. They fought them on the abortion stuff. As recently as two thy fifteen, I wrote down there were eleven thousand, four hundred and eighteen babies who are murdered in Tennessee by planned parenthood and their ILK as of this year. Zero zero. Praise God, yeah, and praise God. Yeah. No, that's
good deal. And by the way, I known quite a few people now who've moved to Tennessee because of where they were living and how terrible things have become and how their magistrates are just lost causes, and so they've moved to Tennessee in order to join with people who seemed to still have a semblance of sanity in their heads. I'm one of them. I wanted that's I look
around. Karen and I were just talking to the other day about the attitude the people that are here, in the society that's here, and how much better things work in terms of just paving the roads and things like that. And I said, you know, Tennessee is what America used to be. I said, maybe the aging should be make America Tennessee again, make it more like Tennessee, more like Tennessee the rest of America. But yeah, it is. It is truly amazing and it does make a difference. And
you know that's something to think about. If you can't get enough people together to do something about the lower level magistrate, which is so important, maybe you need to vote with your feet and get out of there. Yeah, another jurisdiction. No, absolutely, that is totally legitimate, and it's going to be It's already been going on now and it's going to continue to grow as this evil continues grow. And ultimately what we need, David, is
repentance. Yeah, we need repentance within the Christian community, within the churches, amongst the churchmen, and we need to call the nation to Repentance's right, and until we see that, it's all like, you know, doing stuff that needs to be done to stanch the evil from continuing. But we really need to understand the importance of repentance in our lives, in the life
of the church, and then in the life of our nation also. And so during the plandemic I saw some repentance a little, and but there certainly was no run on sackcloth and ashes down at day's hardware. And now we've seen most people return to the food and ease and entertainment because the tyrants have backed off. What they have to understand is God is just, and he
will judge a nation with this much innocent blood on its hands. He will judge a nation which has tolerated the filth of homosex to where it's impacted children at this level, with genital mutilation, them adopting them as their own own sons and daughters. That God will not let that go. And so he is long suffering. He gives us space to repent, but he brings his judgments, and I've seen it in my lifetime, and you'll see a little
bit of space of repentance amongst Americans. Then they all quickly go back. How it is. So I think it's extremely important to understand the need for repentance in our nation at this time and in our own lives and in our own churches. I agree, And that's as you pointed out before so many church people. Oh, I don't want to hurt their feelings, you know, I want to be winsome so I can win somebody to Christ. That
type of thing, you know, they have to understand. A loving thing is to tell him truthfully where they stand, you know, and to get them to do some self examination. That's the really loving thing to do. It's not loving to tell somebody, hey, that's just fine, you know, I don't This bus is coming and somebody just walked out in front of it. But I don't want to yell at him. I might scare him, you know, so I'll let him get run over by the bus.
That's not a loving thing to do. And it's not a loving thing to take that kind of approach as a church to people in this country. And we understand regardless of people whether yeah. And this is the other thing about this man. You know, you talk about in your book The Doctor and the Lesser Magistrate. You talk about these the understanding and the approach that people took who are not Christians. You know, you give some examples of Roman
Emperor and so forth, Trajan who's talking about the justice and morality. But we have to understand that when you abandon these principles of morality what truly happens in a society. And you know, we've seen what a society without any morality, without any rule of law looks like. We've seen what the solitarian societies look like. And yet all of these things are descending on us. And I agree with you, I think it is a judgment from God.
It is. And you know, our response to the state of our nation again has to be twofold. We have to be fishers of men, go out to the streets, decry the evil, point men to Christ. And we have to go to the magistrates and instruct them in their role, in their functions, in their duties, in their limits. That's extremely important for us to do as Christian people. Yeah, I could not so I yep.
So I hope we see more of that in the days ahead, because it's it's gravely needed and that our hearts should be breaking at this point the things you were just talking about about what true love is and the truly loving thing to do. You know, I run into Christians from time to time. They can't even wrap their head around something like what you were saying, and I always point him to that sermon by Ray Comfort called Hell's Best Kept Secret. I said, listen to this sermon. I think it would be
a great starting point for you. I understand what exactly I'm trying to communicate. You know, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he likes he does a great job of pointing out to people. Okay, you know you're staying condemned. Do you want to parachute or not? You want to jump out of this point? You don't walk in a die at some point in time. We don't know when that's going to happen. Have you ever thought about that's that type of thing. And so, yeah, it is important
that people need to understand their need. They need to understand accurately where they stand. And even the people who don't want to think about that, they need to think about what they have seen in other societies that become lawless and immoral and all the rest of this. And maybe that'll help them to start to connect the bigger dots that are going to have some kind of eternal implications for them. And again I want to tell people recommend your book. Yet
again, that is the doctrine of lesser magistrates. A very small book packed with information, a very quick read. I think it is excellent as the best understanding for non Christians, I think to see the historical thread of this, but especially for Christians, it is an essential read since so many people have misrepresented what our responsibility to government is. And I think you divide it
exactly right. The book is a doctor, Lesser Magistrates, and people can find it of course at Amazon, but it's better if they get it directly from you and cut out Jeff pays Us and company. It's Defy Tyrants dot Com. Is that correct? Or is it that's correct? Absolutely, Defy Tyrants dot Com. Good good, and send us that clip and we'll get
that in in terms of your interaction there at that event. And if people want to see even more clips, as Matt pointed out, you can go to their rumble channel Defy Tyrants and you can see all the different clips from that event. Thank you so much for what you do. I really do appreciate it, Matt, thank you, thank you, Thank you. David, God bless you, thank you, God, bless you. The common
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