All right, welcome back and joining us now as author Jared Julia. He's also a parent. He's also somebody homeschooled as kids, and he is an activist and I don't think he homeschooling because but we will be talking about some homeschooling as well. But he also has a book they kind of teach us some fundamental truth to parents about what is going on in schools, as well
as in a format that parents can use with their children. The book is called Critical Feather Theory The Red Offenders, and I think that's a pretty good name because, as one person said, it's kind of a cross between Alice in Wonderland and Animal Farm, and I kind of feel like that's where I live on a regular basis. So joining us now is Jared Julia. Thank you for joining us, sir, Thank you so much for having me. David. Now, tell us little bit about how you got into this.
I mentioned homeschooling because I know that you have comments about that your kids went through school, right, and that's why I got you involved in this, right, Yeah, they went through the public school system. I think that if I was younger, I might have homeschooled my kids because things have just gotten progressively worse as things have gone along. So I am active in the homeschooling movement and I go to a lot of their conferences and things like that.
But yeah, the way in which I got involved was during I've always had this belief that the school system there's something wrong with what our kids are being taught, but I couldn't really put my finger on it. And then as the slowdowns happened, with the pandemic and lockdowns and all that, I
had the time to really research it. And as I'm peeling back the layers of the onion, I was pretty disturbed by some of the stuff that I found out that that goes into the K through twelve curriculum, how it's created. So but I also saw that there were a lot of academics that had done a great job of describing the problem. So but I wanted to create something a little more accessible. That's why I get the idea for our graphic
novel. So there's a little teacher bird in a little schoolhouse, and she teaches the little chicks that if they have blue feathers, their privilege, and if they have green feathers then they're then they're then they're a victim, and uh, and she's teaching critical feather theory, and of course the parents get upset, and she denies that they're teaching critical feather theory because she says that it's only taught to second year law students, you know, And so basically
it kind of tries to make a humorous you know, it's a humorous take on really a subject that a lot of parents find pretty disturbing. Oh yeah, yeah, and we've seen these uh, these various colored birds hatching this plot for a very long time. But as you point out, most of the stuff that's out there, it can be very rigorous academic stuff. I mean, I've seen very very detailed commentary about that. You know, even going back to the the I'm trying to remember the author, Charlotte does Be
who said deliberate dumbing down of America. You know, they go into it in a great deal of detail. You're not going to be able to go through that with your kid. And as important for them to understand what this is and to have discernment about this, even more so important than for the parents to have it, because they need as soon as that stuff goes up,
it's like, oh, I know what this is. When we taught our kids, I would teach them what the consensus false ideas were, and then I would oppose it and say, so, here's what they're going to tell you. Here's why that's not true. And that's really what you're doing here in a graphic way, isn't it. Yeah? And it's unfortunately public schools aren't doing what you did with your kids. They're just in doctrining. They're just telling them one viewpoint and they're not really opening it up to multiple
viewpoints. And that's really the whole point of education. They're literally doing the opposite of what education is. And it's because it's derived from something called postmodernism. And without getting too dry, there were a lot of unrependent Marxists like Herbert Marcusa and Michau Foucaut who created this belief system. And this is what a lot of what kids are being taught, you know, this is what's
showing up in the in the curriculum. And so it's not just being nice to everyone and getting rid of racism and getting rid of all unfairness and getting rid of all sexism. It's really a tearing down of society. Which is really what Fucaut's work is about. It's called deconstruction, and it's really tearing
apart society and tearing apart our communities. And what I try to say in the book is I try to briefly and humorously explain what that is, but then also give parents hope that you can fight against this, you can push back against this. You don't have to take this. This is this is not an inevitability. This is definitely up for grabs, and it's worth the
fight because your kids are worth it. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. I interviewed Shivan Fleet and I played a clip yesterday, I think it was of this Netflix thing three Body Problem. It was a Chinese sci fi and it begins with the struggle sessions and it's a very moving, disturbing struggle session. But shi Van Fleet said, look what they're doing with all this stuff. It's not enough to not be racist. You've got to be anti white,
you know, and you've got to denounce yourself. And she said, this is precisely what the Communists were doing, what mal was doing and all the rest of the stuff. That's why you're spot on when you talk about it's Alice in Wonderland meets animal farm. So many times we'll look at what is happening in the news and we'll say this is crazy. Look at how crazy this is. And that's basically where people would stop a few years ago. I'm trying to get people see that it's more like animal farm than it is
Alice in Wonderland. Now that this is a Marxist regime. You talk about the had offenders. Offenders are actually the Gang of Four from the Cultural Revolution in China, and you mentioned the three body problem. The fascinating thing about that scene with the struggle session is that a lot of the soldiers are actually children because the Red Guards were not really like the SS. They were more like the Hitler youth. The youngest were about twelve years old and the eldest
were about eighteen. Because that's who you can get to destroy the society. That's who you can get to tear down the culture. Older people you can't really get them to do that. But kids were able to gleefully destroy these priceless works of art from the Ming dynasty and other parts of cultural China. And it was these kids that really enforced a lot of these insane rules. And it's so much. It's so similar to what we're experiencing. Now.
That's why I have the Red Offenders kind of follow along with the main characters. So the main characters are not from a woke time period, and they experience all this woke and they're horrified. But of course the Red Offenders, the Gang of Four are also experiencing and they're like, this is great, this is exactly what we want. Yeah. And the description of the book, it's some guy from my nineteen so everyone gets catapulted in the future and
he can't believe how crazy this is. And I told my wife, I said, that's me. I'm still in mind, still back in the nineteen seventies as far the as culture goes, and it's like, I'm looking at this and like, what is going on? And you can't make sense of it unless you understand it's not Alice in Wonderland is animal Farm And then it all makes perfectly good sense and this has all just been recycled, relabeled.
They call it woke. Isn't it interesting? Don't you find it interesting that they would use the term woke when these people are totally asleep to how they're being used and what this is truly about. They get to pick the labels, of course, though, and we always use their labels. That's one of the things that bothers me so much about it. You understand the significance
of red and the and so did she Van Fleet. But you know, the media comes in and tells everybody, Okay, all your Republicans and Conservatives, you're going to be read from now on. Okay, we're read. We got our red hats and we got read this and read that, you know, and we're red states, and we just use their labels. And they say, well, we're woke and you're read, and they go,
okay, and we'll use those those labels. It's interesting that you say that, because the Gang of Four they labeled everything, and actually the term political correctness was actually coined by Chairman Mao himself, So it was very very important that they determined what everything was called so that they could make the framework for all political argument. And you're right, the woke left does the exact same
thing today. They come up with all the terms. Once upon a time they were illegal aliens, but now they're undocumented immigrants, and now they're just immigrants, and all of the different terminology over the years that have changed have all been changed by them, so which is why there are so many scenes in the book where they have these little bird soldiers burning all the dictionaries so that the woke overlords can change the definitions of words, because changing the definitions
of words and changing what labels we use in our political speech is central to their power. Oh yeah, AP is ruthless about it. The Associated Press. They've got their speech rules, and if you want your article published, you will use their speech rules. You know, you're not going to be pro life, you're going to be anti abortion rights and all the stuff. In terms of what they refer to as people who are illegal aliens, I
simply started calling them squatters. I think that's probably which is good disipense with all these other things. Just call them squatters. But you know that would kick me off from AP. So, you know, but they understand that they've got to get the high ground rhetorically, and so they use the labels. Now. You know, before we leave the analogy of what's going on with the three body problem in the struggle session, one of the key things about this, you know, we can all take our kids out and we
can homeschool them. But in that scene, you see the daughter there who is by herself. Everybody else is on board with a struggle session and yelling and screaming at the people that they're beating and so forth, but she's horrified by it. But she's the only one. We don't want to be in that situation where we're the only one left in a town or a society or a community, the only one who is not a part of this struggle session.
And like Alex Newman has said in the past, he said, you know, you look at the school system, you realize, first of all, it's like a burning building. You got to get your kid out of there to save them. But then you've also got to put the fire out so that it doesn't burn down the entire neighborhood. And that's really the important thing. I think we're you know, and looking at your book. If somebody's got their kid in school, that'll help to wake them up, but
also really importantly helped to wake up the kid. But then there's other things tell us a little bit about what we can do to fight this woke ideology so we don't have the neighborhood burned down. Well, I guess the first thing not to do is what I tried to do. My son was being taught something that I didn't agree with at our local high school, and I confronted the teacher about it at a teacher conference and it was diplomatic and she
actually immediately apologized and said, oh, I won't do that anymore. But then the next year I found out from a neighbor that their kid was in that teacher's same class, and she went right back to teaching the same thing the very next year. So we need to understand that this isn't like the left versus right ongoing debate, where we on the right really believe what we believe and people on the left really believe what they believe. The woke understand
that factually they're incorrect and it doesn't matter to them. So this is a very very different kind of fight. And that's why I say you really need to get involved. And the wonderful thing is that there's lots of people that are out there parents defending education. Nicole Neely does a great job courages a habit dot Org. Alvin Louis is the national executive director. These people are doing great work. So I would encourage your listeners to join one of these
organizations or other organizations. I have them listed in my website, and that's the really the way I would do it, instead of just being an individual, because then you're like that person in the three body problem, You're the
one person crying out. But one thing that I would say about that scene is that it looks like a majority are on the side of the of the Marxist but we find that that was never really the case, and that we see all these people doing the Nazis salute, you know, at these rallies, you know, for the you know, during Hitler's reign, and we
realize that, you know, most people were not. I mean, the Nazis never got more than nineteen percent of the popular vote in Germany, so they're never really they have the appearance of having overwhelming majority, but they really don't. This is a relatively small group of people. Now. Of course, they are well positioned in areas of education and in areas of the media
and in government. But there's a lot more of us. And I find that there's so many left wing parents that have bought my book and have reached out to me via social media. I mean, we really have a natural supermajority to fight this because which makes sense, because you know, just not wanting your kid to be taught this crap, you know, I mean that can't know a party affiliation, that can't know an ideology. It's just parental common sense. And so I think there's a lot more people on our side.
Oh, I agree than we realize. I agree. Yeah, they're afraid of the perceived majority. And you know, even if it is a majority, we've got to have the integrity to stand up to that, even if that means as the expression goes. I had friends who are from Japan. They said, we've got a saying here that the nail that sticks up gets hammered down, so you know, kind of keep a low profile, do what everybody else is doing. Anything, Well, we can't live our
lives that way. If we live our lives that way, we'll all be hammered down. We'll always have a boot stopping on our face. And so we have to stand up to this, even if it doesn't work for us personally, enough people are going to see that they're not the only one. That's the key thing that they always pull on everybody. Everybody thinks that they're
alone in this when they really aren't. That's a key insight. Talk a little bit about homeschooling, and you know what other options we have besides homeschooling, But let's talk a little bit about homeschooling. We've had a lot of people and this is one of the things, Jared, going back to twenty twenty, I said, you know, one of the silver linings about this, all this lockdown stuff and everything was I talked to parents for the longest
time. They could easily say that this is something that was coming from Washington or from the state Department of Education, maybe even from the local school board, maybe even at their own school. But they would always say, but it's not in my kids classroom. They finally got a chance to see, yes, it is in your kids classroom. So, you know, when you look at this kind of stuff, and sometimes you know, we do need to resist this, you know, by opposing these curriculums with these government
schools that are there. But we also understand, as you were talking about with the teacher, they're going to teach whatever they want to teach, regardless of what the state says, or the school board says, or the principal
says. That teacher is going to teach the kids what they want to teach them, and they put up TikTok videos talking about how they're going to put out the revolutionary ideas that they hold to their kids, and they take delight in the fact that they're doing it in a surreptitious way and against the system. So that's one of the things you're looking at. It's one of the reasons why people at homeschool talk a little bit about homeschooling. As you said,
it was something that you didn't see at the time. Tell us what you see with homeschooling now, Yeah, Well, I think that the pandemic was such a game changer because it went from schooling became in the classroom to the kitchen table, when a parent would open up a laptop, click on zoom, and their kid would attend class that way, and they saw what
these teachers were actually saying. So this isn't something happening in the Berkeley school system or in some school system in the Bay Area or something like that. This is happening in your school system and in my school system. And I do think that that woke up a lot of parents. The other thing is that when I was growing up, there wasn't a lot out there for homeschoolers, and homeschoolers were seen as kind of weird and this small group of parents.
But now it's far more common, and there's all kinds of resources on the internet to create curriculums for parents, and there's all kinds of support, and also the perception of the public school system is a lot lower than it was a generation ago, so it's a much much better and much more accepted option. The other thing is that there's a lot of misconceptions is that you can't be involved in sports or be involved in extracurricular activities of your homeschool.
That's actually not true. The lead in our plays when my kids were at the local high school, they were a homeschooled kid, and there was a lot of the athletes in our school sports were actually homeschooled, but because they lived in that particular district, it was state law that they were allowed that they were allowed to participate in that school system's extracurricular activities. So this notion that your kids are going to miss out somehow, it's just not true.
And of course the perception that they're going to get a lesser education. Well, when you see some of these TikTok videos, it's unimaginable that they could
get a less lesser education from you doing it yourself. That's true. Yeah, and you know, I think a lot of the parents maybe even realized that they were homeschooling in twenty twenty, even if the kids were doing zoom classes and other things like that, because there's some homeschooling curriculum that is set up to be exactly like that your kids can For the longest time, people
are homeschooling, and there's so many different ways that you can homeschool. But some of the methods were for somebody to actually do a zoom type of class and being a live class like that, not just watching a lesson. You know, there's all these different ways to do it, and so you know, there actually were entire homeschool curriculums that were set up to do exactly what
the government schools were doing in twenty twenty. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Paul talk a little bit about, you know, some of the other methods, and again it's just exploded. I mean, there's so many different ways that people can homeschool. There were a lot of different options when we were doing school, but it really has has exploded. What are some of the
more popular ones that you've seen. Well, what we've seen is groups of parents getting together on social media and then having social events where they all come together so that they can interact with other kids that are also being homeschooled. This is not something that happened to generation ago, you know, before social media. But because of social media, there's just this explosion and there's in the community of homeschoolers just becomes bigger and bigger. Every year that I go
to these conferences, there's more and more people. And in fact, one of the conferences here in Maine, they had to go to a different venue because the old venue couldn't fit all of the parents that wanted to understand the new trends in homeschooling techniques. So, I mean, it's just I can only imagine. I know, thirty years ago we would go to the North Carolina Homeschool Convention and it was overflowing. They couldn't contain it, you know, thirty years ago, and now it is. I'm sure it's way way
bigger than that. What other options do people have if they don't want to try homeschooling? That you would recommend to them. Well, I mean what we do is we I mean we just took a very active approach to our child's education. And I think that the kids that are most vulnerable to WOKE are the ones that are not where their parents don't take all that active a
role in their development. My wife was a long lifetime teacher and she actually owned a preschool and she noticed that parents that made a game out of counting the buttons on the kid's coat when they were about to go out for playtime, that those were the kids that performed the best. The kids that just had their parents just helping them put their coat on and send them off did not do nearly as well. So really, parents have a lot to do
with your kids education. So even if you're going to a public school or a private school, you still have a lot to do with your child's education. Reading to small children is so important, and making a game out of learning is very very important. Teaching them techniques for studying and note taking are also important things that schools don't really teach you. And so's it's vital and you have a bigger role. I think than a lot of parents realized.
They just the ones that just send them off to school. Those are the kids that get indoctrinated, I think, to the to the largest degree. That's right. Yeah. I have an older sister who taught for many years, mainly in the seventies and stuff, and she would always say that she could tell the kids that were going to do well because their parents were involved, and if the parents were not involved, the kids are just not going
to do well. And it's because of all those other little things like you're talking about, you know the fact that they're going to count the buttons as they're doing it. It's just that kind of interaction. You know, when you're homeschool, you're just doing a little bit more of that. But it really is that that involvement there. If the parents are involved, the kids are going to do well. And that's the way it has always been,
even before all the animal farm stuff started coming into the schools. That's there. What about what was it that you saw happening with your kids? You you were in, what kind of we're in a small town, what kind of a town were you in, and what did you see happening in government school there? Yeah? I mean I live in US in Maine, so you'd think that we would be insulated from a lot of this, but you know, we saw a lot of education when it comes to sexuality and things
like that that were very, very offensive. And it's funny how my daughter and my son were about four years apart. My son just graduated from college, but when he was in high school, he had classmates that identified as an animal and they had tales and things like that, whereas my daughter, who was there four years earlier, didn't have that. There were some boys that were gay that identified as girls, but you know, when my son was there, it was identifying as an animal. So it's just it's you
know, it's gotten progressively worse. And this is not the Bay Area. Once again, this is not midtown Manhattan. I mean, this is a small town in Maine. And you do it's so important that you push back on it because you can't just write it off and laugh it off and say,
oh, this is so ridiculous. Who would believe this? Because when they can get them at a young enough age, as Marx once said, you know, if I have them up until the age of six, you can have them after that, you know, because when they can get them young enough, they can really mold these minds, and there's nothing that's too ridiculous for these kids to internalize. So you've really got to point out the utter ridiculousness of some of this stuff that these kids are being taught, and
not just rely on them to discern this stuff themselves. It's very calculating and people have always known that truth. And you point out Marx said it. We've had so many people say that throughout history. We had Plato said it, the Bible says it, you know, train up a child the way they should go when they're old, or not depart from it. So this
is what they're exploiting, and they know exactly what they're doing. You talk about how rapidly this is changing and growing like a cancer, the furry stuff, and we've talked about that on this show in the past. But people look at it and they say, wow, this is really alice one only I know it's animal farm, and it really is. It is that Marxism
that is at the center of it. It is this desire that we've always seen from totalitarian politicians and others to control society completely grab these kids at a very very young age. We used to have an expression the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. You know, if they take the kids away from the parents and they're working at it to try to well, we'll expedite
things for you. You know, we'll give you free childcare. Of course, you'll pay for it in taxes and other things like that eventually as you go to work. But you know, we'll give you all these different They just let us raise your kids, and it truly is amazing. So, you know, talk a little bit about school choice as well. You said that's exploding where you are. Yeah, school choice is exploding as well because it's really allowing the market to take over because you know, there's no real
incentive for some of these schools to get their act together. But with school choice, when parents can take their children their dollars with them and go elsewhere, that's very, very important. So we have about ten states in the last six months that have changed their school choice legislation, and so it's a lot easier and a lot more damaging to underperforming schools that these school choice initiatives are happening. So I think it's great. It really gives me a lot
of hope because I feel like the tide is starting to turn. That's turning the tide in K through twelve. I think the whole Claudine Gay thing with Harvard University and that whole scandal that's starting to turn the tide in higher education. I see a sea change where there's pushing back on this madness, and I really feel as though it's important because, like you were saying, it's
not just Marxism. What I've seen in my research is that one of the biggest lies that we're told is that Marxism is way over here to the left and Nazism is way over here to the right. But then when I started researching, I found that Michel fu Co, a Marxist who's a postmodernist, in Martin Heidegger, who was a Nazi. They exchanged a lot of information, and a lot of what Michell Fuko came up with when it comes to
deconstruction actually came originally from Martin Heideger. And Martin Heidegger was appointed the president of Freiberg University by Adolf Hitler himself, and he was afraid that he was going to get tried in the Nuremberg trials and executed, so he was able to do a lot of things after World War Two to try to get out of being prosecuted, and he never was. He died of old age in
nineteen seventy six. But still it's disturbing how much overlap there is with Marxism and Nazism, and in this ideological and philosophical overlap is what we call woke. It's amazing how many trans people that say, oh, I can be my authentic self when I go to work. How much of that it comes from Heideger's philosophical research. So it's just it's really, like I said, the more you peel back the layers of the onion, the more you're disturbed
by not just woke, but the origins of woke. That's right. Yeah, I've said for the longest time that if you look at what life was like under Stalin versus Hitler, it's life under in a toatalitarian society. And the thing that really differs about it is the direction of the lies that they told people to get them into a tautalitarian society. It can be about hypernationalism,
or it can be about internationalism. You know, the Communists will talk about the international and the Nazis would talk about nationalism, but they would use different approaches to get you in there. And I guess maybe Heidegger or maybe Hegel took a page out of all this stuffnues the Hegelian dialectic, you know, because they can pit these two different things against Oh look, you know
Nazis are completely different from the communists. Is like, well, no, they have strongly held priorities about things, but they use those priorities to get them enslaved into a totalitarian society. Because you pointed out at the beginning, this is really about postmodernism. This is about removing the idea that there is some objective fact or some objective truth, and that is now rampant, isn't it right? And the other thing is they even use some of the same
techniques. Like you were talking about dividing the child from the parent. That that's something that the woke do. That's also something that the Hitler youth did. That's also something that the Red Guard and the Cosimov which is the equivalent of the Hitler youth up in Soviet Russia. So all of these were trying to separate the child from the parent because they understood that you needed to destroy
the family because the family unit is the foundation of society. So if you want to tear down communities and then tear down to society, you have to
start with the family. So part of it is, you know, in popular culture, making fun of father figures and things like that, also parents, you know, kids telling on their on their parents, and also even little things like during the Great Leap Forward, they had these they had these community dining areas where instead of the family meal, you would dine with everyone in your village as a way to stop people from from having family time together,
because they understood the power of families eating together, of families doing activities together, and how this really reinforces society. So when you're deconstructing like FUCO does, when you're trying to tear all this down, you really need to start with the family. Yes, yes, it is a fundamental building block of society is and it's the first institution that God gave us was the family. And so they've got to tear that apart. Once they split that nuclear
family, we started to get a chain reaction, don't we. Yeah. And I you know, when I look at even some of the language that we use, just like we're talking about red, you know, and the fact that they're going to apply that to people call themselves woke. Even the term postmodernism, it really doesn't convey the true meaning of it. I like to refer to it almost as post objectivism, because that's really what postmodernism is.
You know, people don't understand what modernism was. They don't understand the idea that you had the German higher critics that were looking at at the Bible with critical theory. You know, they still use that term and so they would deconstruct the Bible with critical So they call that modernism. We're going to debate it. And then it went to postmodernism, which says, well,
we're not even going to have a debate. We're just going to say I've got my truth, you've got your truth, and there is no such thing as truth. That was their fundamental truth, that there is no such thing as truth. And so we get into that absurdity that is there with postmodernism. And you know all these things that they clouded with the terminology that they use, don't they right. Yeah, And there's so many people that woke people that say, well, you know, this is my truth or we
need to speak our truth. And there's so many postmodernist thinkers that view that as an important aspect of all this, because then it becomes unassailable if someone's talking as a woman, or if somebody's talking as a person of color, you cannot debate that, you cannot question that. So really, one of the foundations of Western civilization is our ability to debate and our ability to question
everything. This is why we're so far advanced scientifically. This is why we have the freest societies because we question everything, We ask why not constantly? And woke is a reversal of that. It's wanting to stop that, reverse it and say, don't ask any questions. You cannot debate, you have no right to because I'm speaking my truth. Yes, Yes, that's the
brilliance I think of Orwell's two plus two equals five. He knew they were going to get at the essence of acts and truth and what is more objective than to have a mathematical equation. But now we see that they're coming out and saying, well, math is racist and everything else, because that's ultimately
where this goes. Or Well knew it, souljiy Knitsen knew it. Anybody looks at totalitarian societies know that they have to destroy objective reality, they have to destroy debate, they have to destroy the family, and unfortunately we see
all this stuff happening in our society. That's why you book like yours that can explain this to kids is so vital and so important for people to be able to see that and to go over that with a kid in a graphic novel format, which is going to you know, get that truth across to them at a very visceral way. I think that's a genius move on your
part. Yeah, well, well, thank you. Yeah, And it's just so important that I guess one of the one of the negative things that I see is just that this was foreseen by Orwell and by others thinkers. This was so avoidable, we didn't have to go down this road, and
you know, because Orwell called it. He saw that. I had kind of an Orwellian moment when I was looking on a website of a college that had a list of words that you could no longer use, and then I thought back to near the end of nineteen eighty four where the guy is talking with Winston and saying, well, we don't need all these words, you know, these just these few words are plenty, and literally reducing the number of words. It's like if it gave warwell nightmares. It's it's kind of
a wet dream for the wok. Yah. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is amazing that we sell this stuff happening, and of course it is made possible for them by dumbing kids down. And they've been doing this now for several generations, dumbing down the people so they don't know history, they don't have any discernment about what the overall of this is. They don't
see has been done over and over again in other countries. That is an essential part of their success, and that's why an essential part of pushing back against this is to explain this to kids in a way they can understand it in a format they're going to be open to. And that's really what your book does, I think. Yeah, And it's so important to understand your own history because it was Stalin who said we are the first page of history.
He didn't want people to know that anyone came before us, or that okay, people came before us, but that doesn't really matter. What they said or what they wrote or what they believe, doesn't matter. What all that matters is going forward. And when you do that in a society or in a community, you now make everyone so much easier to control. That's the other disturbing thing about Woe is that everything about it, it doesn't reduce
racism, It doesn't make things more fair. It just makes the most people more pliable. It makes them more able to be controlled by a small number of elites. That's really all it does, and it does it very efficiently, but it does it using a lot of the same techniques that the Soviets and the Nazis used to suppress their populations as well. That's right. You target people, you isolate people, you make them, make everybody feel like they're alone and vulnerable. Yes, that's the key thing, you know.
And so when I look at you know, when I look at the after system and the these charter schools and stuff like that, my only concern about it. I think it's good. I think we should have a marketplace and ideas. But I think the only way that we're going to retain our ability to be able to make those choices in a marketplace is if that money is
truly ours. And that's the thing that concerns me about it. You know, when you got when you're taking the money from the government, that's a screen that they're going to use to control you in the same way that they did it to the states or to the counties. They say, up the Department of Education, it's got this massive amount of unlimited money. Because it's coming from the federal government, they can just print whatever they want, and
then they use that money to bribe people. And then if you don't do what they want, like you don't put the boys in the girls' bathrooms, they pull that money away from you after they get you addicted to it. And so when it all starts, it's a good thing. You know, hey, we've got a market here. I've got a certain amount of money that I can use to make my determination about how I want to educate my
kids. But if you start making choices that they don't like, a few years down the road after you get connected to this, they're going to pull that string and you're and and most people will then go with what they're comfortable with. They don't they've forgotten how they can do this on their own. And so that's the concern I have about that. Yeah, and you know so many people that say, oh, you can't get rid of the Department
of Education. You know, I just want to say to them, did you know that the Department of Education did not exist before the early nineteen sixties. It's like, how do you think we educated kids before that? From the founding of our country all the way up until the nineteen fifties, And a lot of people would say our education system was better back then than it is today. In many ways it was. You were able to get by
with a high school degree. You knew a lot more about history, you knew a lot more about mathematics when you graduated from high school than you do today. And I even saw that in comparing my high school education with my mother's. I went to college, but my mother never did. But she felt as though she knew a lot more coming out of high school than her children learned. And so, yeah, it's time for this to go. It's a big, wasteful bureaucracy in Washington that really controls things in a way
that most people are not on board with. And I think if it got eliminated, I really think that you would see a drastic improvement of education. The world would not end, you know, education would not suddenly cease to exist. If we got rid of these. And the other thing that drives me crazy is people that think that these teachers' unions have something to do with
education. You know, the UAW, the United Autoworkers, they have nothing to do with the quality of cars, right, They're just getting the best deal for their workers. And these teachers' unions they have nothing to do with education. They have everything to do with getting the best deal for their members, and there's no shame in that. But you just have to realize that's not part of their agenda to educate your kids. It has nothing to do
with that. And especially during the pandemic when they were wanting to keep kids out of school and then wanting even the smallest kids to wear a mask that had nothing to do with education, and it had nothing to do with science were learning. You know, German kids didn't. You know, small kids didn't wear masks at all during the pandemic because we knew that they were not affected in the same way that the rest of us were affected by COVID.
So it's just they, really the Department of Education in these teachers unions, they ruin education, they don't improve it. And to get rid of these things would not harm education at all. In fact, it would improve the situation. Well, you could even say that about schools, right. You know, those two school and education so intertwined in people's minds, and they're two separate things. You don't need to have a school in order to have
an education. Sometimes frequently the school gets in the way of their education. Certainly did with me. And you go back and you look at colonial times, we had almost one hundred percent literacy. They were able to change society by you know, sending a book around Thomas Paine's common sense because everybody read. And you know, they didn't have government schools. In some places, they had community schools or church run schools, but it was under tight local
control of the community and of the parents. It was not some agenda that was being created in Washington. And so we've had for the longest time politicians promising to get rid of the Department of Education has just created. In nineteen eighty during the election that was happening there, Reagan said he was going to get rid of it, but he never did. And so you know, we see how that has been used with the strings that are there. And
I think it's important for parents to understand. Just like it's important for kids understand what they're trying to do in the schools in terms of manipulating them and this postmodernism and all the rest of this stuff. I think it's important also for the parents to understand the techniques that government uses to control people. And it really does kind of boil down to the Fiat currency. They can pay anybody any amount of money and get you addicted to this stuff and use that
as a trojan horse to control you and everything that you do. It truly is amazing, isn't it. Yeah, it is, And I do think that we need to get back to basics with our education system. And you know, these postmodernists and these woke people that say that parents should have no say in the education because they're not education professionals, and well, just leave it to the educators. Look, we're in this problem because we left it to the educators largely. And you know, parents, very active parents,
are the ones that are going to pull us out of this mess. I'm glad you went back and looked at these philosophers anything, And of course we could see it in Horseman and Thomas Dewey and people like that, and even
before them. In the mid eighteen hundreds in America, we had a lot of these utopian societies where they would basically communist in their organization, and they wanted to change society, and they said, you know, the reason that our utopian society failed was because the parents instilling these ancient values in their kids. So we got to break that. And that has been something that has been a subcurrent to all of this so called reform of education in America since
the middle of the eighteen hundreds. And people, if you're aware of this history, and you cover a lot of this stuff, if you're ware the philosophical history, the political history of this stuff, then you really see where this is headed. And you know, it's very important for people really understand the history of Marxism. They keep that from being taught in the schools very carefully because they don't want everybody to see how that is exactly the plan that
they're rolling out on us. And it is very concerning to see it. But it's great to see some resources out there. Again. The book is a critical feather Theory the Red Offenders, and you can find that on Amazon is not the best place to get it. There you can see the graphic novel aspect of it. Okay, Amazon, or just Google critical feather theory. So okay, all right, great, thank you so much for joining us again, Jared Julia, thank you for joining us. The David Knight
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