All right. Joining us now is Sheriff mac of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association cs p o A. It's dot org, isn't it, Sheriff mac cus dot okay, and uh he has. He's facing a swarm of persecution. They've you know, they this is a Marxist tactic. You know, they focus, they single out one group or one person and then they all attack them at the same time. And that appears to be what is
happening now with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Thank you for joining us. Sheriff Mac tell us atle bit about what is being directed at you right now. Well, David, thanks, it's great to see you again. We go way back. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, it's uh, it's well, it's living proof that what we're doing is working because they're scared, and they're so scared they're willing to lie and put out all these
lies about us. They published, they published all sorts of lies about us, and it's like they're following us around. Yeah, and literally there are some that are following us around and it's kind of the epitome of stalking. But you know, I don't mind them coming to our training semin ours. Yeah, let's talk about that charity. Let's talk about why they're afraid of
you, because they're afraid of the Constitution and afraid of constitutional sheriffs. Right, tell us a bit about the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and then I think that'll give a lot of people an insight into why the Southern Party of Law Center and all these other people don't like So tell us little bit about the Constitution and sheriffs. It started when I was a sheriff and
I sued the federal government. I sued the Clinton administration over the overreach of government associated with the Brady Bill. And it was the first time in history where the federal government ordered and mandated and commanded the sheriffs to enforce a federal statute for them. And first of all, they can't tell your sheriff what to do, and they know it, but they tried. And then I started this whole movement to say no to them and tell them to shove it
and file a lawsuit. And then six other sheriffs across the country joined me. This was all the sheriffs in the nation were ordered by the Brady Bill by Congress by the president to enforce this so called law for them, and if we didn't, it came with a threat of arrest. David, people think I make this up. It said, whoever knowingly fails to comply is subject to ten thousand dollars fine, a year in prison or both. Wow,
I could have gone to prison for a year. So anyway, we got an injunction against the Clinton administration from being able to attack me or come near me. I literally had an order protection so that they couldn't come and arrest me at two o'clock in the morning and bring their swat team, you know, and so forth and haul me off with the dog barking, or they probably would have shot my dog because they don't like dogs to bark at
them. And my children crying and my wife going crazy watching me be hauled off. And so we did get an injunction, and it's all part of the record. But this gave birth to the stutional sheriff movement saying we're not just going to sue it anymore. We're going to tell you no. If you go outside your line, your lane of traffic, we will tell you no, you can't do that. There's certain things you cannot do here. Going to court on every legal issue would be impossible. There's not enough time
and there's not enough money. We just need people in the states. We need governors, we need state legislatures, we need county commissioners, and we need absolutely, the bottom line, the sheriff who stand with the people in his county and tell the federal government and state bureaucracies as well. There's a few things you're not going to do here, and if you want to do something here, you better check with me first. Yes, this is just
strictly obeying and following and enforcing the constitution. There's nothing violent about it. We have We've had sheriffs all over the country do this. No one has ever been hurt, no one has ever been threatened with death or anything else like that. It's never happened. The proof is there, but they're still saying, and they get these pundits like Mary mccoord, a idiot from Texas. She says, Oh, this is all about violence, and this is all about uh, let's see, and this is what nonsense. This has
never been the case. Look at what I said, and look and look at what I've done. Yes, I went through the peaceful process to get a Supreme Court victory for us. I got it. And now you say we're violent and we should be that everybody in the nation should be scared of us. Why you should be scared of communism and tyranny and unilateral government that
appoints itself king and dictator. And this Marxist movement to destroy America is real and we're trying to stop that, and the people that are in charge of doing it are getting really mad at us. That's right, And that you'd be afraid of these federal agents who are extending their tentacles into everything and demanding that people do things and initiating force against people. What you're doing is non
commandeering. You know. That's a principle that's been supported. And well, that's interesting because this case is called the commandeer case, the commandeering case, and so yes, this is anti commandeering. Yes, they want to come in and they want to take command, and they want to start ordering you to attack people in your area and to make you subordinate to them as a
tool of their tyranny. And so we've had courts that have supported you, and have supported many other areas of this where there is a non commandeering. You cannot come in and tell people at the state government level that they have to do what you say. It is a passive thing. It is a passive resistance. It's like, I'm just not going to do this. I'm not going to participate in your tyranny. It's not like you're coming out there to resist them. You're just saying, hey, I'm not going to help
you with this. I'm not going to do this. And it's also about nullification. You know, I've talked to Michael Maherry with the Tenth Amendment Center many times and he said, you know, he said, when we look at this and we look at the non common during laws, and we look at you know, the different alternatives that we got to an overreaching federal government, you know, you can just submit to this tyranny. If you get really angry, you say, all right, i want to just secede.
You know. Of course, there's a lot of people that are saying that on both the left and the right, but that's going to result in a war in a battle, as we know. But he said, the middle path is nullification. I'm just not going to do what you say. And that's not an aggressive thing. That is not. You're not the one who's initiating this force. It's the federal government who's initiating this force, and you're simply not going to go along with it because of what the constitution says.
And we saw this all in twenty twenty when we had local sheriffs who said, I'm not going to enforce these laws to tell people they got to wear masks or they got a social distance. You know, that was the peaceful It was about five over five hundred sriffs that did that nationwide. Yes, and I've told people, I tell people all the time. You know, look, I don't like Trump, I don't like Biden, I don't like any of these guys quite frankly, and none of them are going to save
you. You spend all your time focused on the race and the level of government where we have the least leverage and we have the least say so, and on the one office where you have the least leverage. I said, you need to figure out who your local sheriffs are, because as we saw through this pandemic, it's not a theory. The people who had it better
or who even had it worse, It depended on the sheriff. The sheriff could make it much worse than the Feds and the state even wanted, or they could stand in the gap and say, well, you're not going to enforce that. I'm not going to enforce that for you. I'm not going to do that. We just saw that in New Mexico with Governor Grisham's Ordersham.
Yeah, and he had the Democrats and the chief of police and the age standing against her, and they were all Democrats, and they're all Democrats, they're all liberal Democrats, and said we're not going to enforce that law. And it ended it, you know, and she everybody, whether the courts or whether it was the local district attorney or the chief of police or the sheriff of the county, everybody said we're not going to enforce that law.
They stopped it. Yeah. And was anything violent about that, No, they just refused to participate and said she's out to lunch. Yeah, she's not following the constitution. This is the sheriff said. Sheriff Allen said, this is impossible to enforce. And I'll tell you why, because it's
unconstitutional. That's why we can't enforce it. It is to be her thugs and she wanted them to use violence against other people and be unconstitutional, unlawful thugs, and they said, no, we're going to follow the constitution. That's what your whole organization is about. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, really, the secession thing, I think it's one of the solutions, but I don't advocate for that. But I will tell you this, I
believe there's three solutions left, three and they're all very bold. But yesterday I saw on MSN that the Democrats are now suggesting that we have two countries in America, and I am getting where I agree with that, because we're going to succumb to all of this tyranny in Washington, d C. And with the Marxists and Democrats that are going Marxist and socialists and extremism. Extremism
on the left is going to destroy the rest of us. And so they actually marked up a map that showed which states should stay as a liberal America or socialist America and then the others that are conservative America. I actually agree that that's one of the solutions for us if we're going to survive. I saw the other one that I said before you going to this on let me talk about that because the very first guest that I had on my show,
my very first program, back in August of twenty seventeen. They were very upset. You know, it only been a few months since Trump had taken office. I took office in January twenty twenty one, so here it is in August. And I was aware that there were a lot of people in California who were putting together a movement to secede because they didn't like Trump, and so I got a hold of them, and my first guest was somebody from a leftist group in California who wanted to secede, and my statement to
her was, what can I do to help you? Yeah, I would like That's where you've seen this over and over again. If you look at the Scandinavian country. Yes, they've come together. It's set a bar in various comedys without a war. Many times, you're absolutely correct. Send California and Oregon, in Washington and Illinois and a few others obviously, send them, Yes, go New York, especially New Jersey. Send them to their
own country and let them implug on themselves. But now they keep trying to take us all with them, and that so the other solution is that we all moved to the same three or four states, all of us, and we would have to decide. And you know what, patriots won't do that. Even the elderly who are retired who could do it, still won't do it. And it's a matter of survival that we try to do that and
we can't. And so you know, the New Hampshire was trying that back about ten years ago with the first State project, and they said everybody should move here. We're going to make ourselves a completely constitutional state. And obviously that didn't work. I'm telling you, we have to live in the same
place. We have to have two different countries divided, or we have the states and the counties and the sheriffs stand against this and stop this tyranny from taking over our entire country and ruining our constitution and our and our constitutional republic right otherwise our survival is in real dire straits. And I believe that the easiest one in all of that is what I've been doing in the last fifteen years, trying to get sheriffs to simply take a stand and enforce and defend
the constitution. And they've already promised in God's name and their oath. But that is what they would do. But still some of them are so shy about doing that. Yeah, I don't know why. And that's kind of the nullification option. You know, we're saying we're not going to participate in this, We're going to be commandeered in this. I agree. I think that it is the best of these things. As I was saying, you know, you had the Scandinavian nations have joined and split apart and joined in
various combinations. They never had a war. But in America because of our history of secession and in so many other areas, and of course we know that, you know, our government would would come against the states that do that. Point out the Free State Project in New Hampshire, they you know, they were not able to get enough people to move there. You know, we we we were in the situation where we were in Austin, socialist places like a you know, California Island in the middle of Texas and it
wasn't even really much better during the pandemic. I was completely fed up with a Republican led government that was in the community that where we were there just outside of Austin, and it's like, well, I don't see the sheriff standing up for everybody and doing anything. And so it's like, you know,
we got to get out of this place. And I you know, we traveled through Tennessee here and we saw that everybody was really relaxed about the masks and all that kind of stuff in early twenty twenty, and so you know, we we came here and you know, Sheriff mac in terms of all this pistol brace stuff. For example, I talked to a state legislator here, uh, state senator nicely, and I talked to him about this pistol brace stuff. He said, we were already taken care of that.
We passed the law saying that you can't force us to that. If you've got a law at the federal level that contradicts our state law, Uh, we're not going to enforce that. You can't force us to do that. And then he said, and then we put in a state law saying the pistol braces are legal. And so it's that type of thing. You have to have state and local legislators and people. You're going to have those dangerous
pistol braces. You're going to have those horrible pistol braces. It's a way to it's a way to hold a gun a little better, especially for somebody who's who's handicapped. Yeah, that's it, or disabled, make that gun shoot faster, that's right, yeah, or disabled. That's such nonsense. It is, And I think you really touched on a point though with your nullification. We have always had since the beginning of our country, nullification,
especially when you consider jury nullification, and that's we the people. We the people are in charge of every criminal case and most civil cases as well. That's done by we the people, and we have the power to nullify everything that goes to court that this government's doing. Except Trump was not allowed a jury trial in New York because it was just monetary. And I don't know
why. The Seventh Amendment says, in common law cases that exceed the value of the controversy is over twenty dollars, a jury shall be enjoyed, shall be guaranteed. And yet here's Trump no jury. He requested a jury and it was denied him. And of course New York States, so yes, that just shows again their anti constitution and dividing the country. We're already divided. Oh yeah, yeah, we are extremely divided. Yeah, so let's yeah, let's make it. Let's make it permanent, let's make it official.
Yeah. Jury nullification is very important. And of course we've had situations for a long time where judges will lie to juries him exactly the opposite one of the guys. One of the things, Yeah, one of the things I think that's interesting is even on the left. You know, before we had a lot of states that would legalize marijuana. One of the guys I interviewed was New Jersey weed man. And they got him and they were going to because he had enough marijuana, they were going to charge him as a
dealer. And he looked at and he said, you know, I think that I can get a jury to nullify this, because most people think it ought to be legal here in New Jersey. And so he represented himself because he couldn't get a lawyer who would argue for jury nullification. They're afraid of that and afraid of the judges. And so it was in actually the New Jersey state Constitution that said that jurors are there to judge the law, not just the facts of the case, but to judge the law and what the
penalties will be. And so he put printed up on a card and he put it up on his desk and showed it to the jury and the judge says, take that down right now, and he said, well, it was too late. They had already seen it and I'd already said it, and he said, disregard what he just said. But he got seven people to vote to quit him, and five people regard the law. Yeah,
exactly, his regard the law. And judges lie about that all the time, and so he got They came after him a second time and he got a different judge and he did the same thing, and that judge let that stay up there, and he got a twelve to zero acquittal. And so that's the power of jurid nullification. Yeah, good for him. And that's
the power of durid ullification. They don't want you to have it. Part of that is to overcharge people and get you to plea bargain with it because it's like, well, hey, if I lose, look I'm going to go to jail for life type of thing. But you know, it's also when you talk about nullification, Sheriff Mac, I have a guest that's been on several times. His name is Matt Trouela, and he's got a book
called The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate's, a very thin book. He's handed this out to police officers and sheriffs and stuff and really changed their minds. Such a powerful book. You should sell it at your conventions if you don't already. It's an excellent probably should I have read it. I have several books already, and my County Sheriff of America's Last Hope book, I think is equal to his. Everybody needs to read that book, The County Sheriff
America's Last Hope. It's on our website CSPA dot org. Everybody should get that, and the Proper Role of Law Enforcement probably another, and everybody should have this tiny, little pocket sized booklet. This is the victory for state sovereignty. It's really small. When you see our website, that looks real big, but it's just because of the picture. Here's a move it a little bit to your let's see. Yeah that's good right there, yeah, right there, Yeah, that's good. Okay, tell us about it.
This is simply the state flags on all of it. And this is simply a reader's digest review of my Supreme Court case and It's the most powerful ruling in the history of our country that says nullifications. Fine, states have the authority to be doing this. The federal government does not have part blanche authority. They very limited, It says, the federal government was only discreet enumerated powers. And then he says, and that is rendered express by the assertion
of the Tenth Amendment. The tenth Amendment must be asserted. And who's going to do that. The states must enforce the tenth Amendment. And this decision makes that very clear. Everyone in America should have this book in their pocket and be ready to hand it to somebody else. It's the most freedom enhancing decision it probably in the last one hundred years in America. Wels. You need to see that decision. Look it up. Macvus Prince and I Sheriff
Prince and I were the ones that are on that. His name's on it as well, PRINTZ for Montana. So the mac Prince case is something that every single one of you should be totally familiar with so that we can start nullifying more and protecting our God given liberties. And that's all this is about. That's right, that's very important. And you know when you go back and we look at theb's case that overturned Roe v. Wade the same for
the longest time. And that's what your case said, was that, you know, the federal government can't do this unless they've got the power to do it. And so they shut that down and kicked it back to the states. And I said, that's great. I was saying that all along. I said, you know, we had Roe v. Wade, and that
was that was a case that came out of Texas. I said. The response from Texas should have been, well, the Supreme Courts made their decision, let's see them enforce it, which is what Andrew Jackson said when they disagreed with what he was doing with the trail of tears, which was a bad policy. You know, they reversed themselves within one year. It was a bad policy what he was doing, but he had the authority to do
it. And so you know when they changed their mind within one year and said no, first they said you can do it, then they said you can't do it. He said, well, you made your decision, want to see you enforce it. And so that's the key thing is the enforcement aspect of it. And I said, you know, we could have a long time ago, before we lost over sixty million babies, we should have
had the states stand up and say the same thing. You don't have the authority to make a decisions, and yet we've got politicians now who decide they want to try to refederalize this thing. It's very important that people understand the tenth Amendment and that case that you had is a landmark decision about the tenth Amendment. Very important, very important, that is, and we need to
understand the whole situation there. The sheriffs are the only elected law enforcement authority anywhere in the United States, in every state, they are the only elected That in itself is where they get their power because the people bestow all power and he reports directly and only to the people, and that's why this can happen. We've had hundreds of sheriffs doing this right now. We need a thousand sheriffs doing this. That means we need about seven hundred more. Yes,
and folks, you can help. You've got to have one. You've got to be a member with us and be a member of the CSPOA and then work with your sheriff to become a constitutional sh and erect these barriers with you. He can't do it without you. He needs you. You're part of this. You're his supervisor, you're his boss. So there must be a cohesive cooperation and relationship between we, the people, the people of his county, and the sheriff. If you don't get that relationship, you're not
going to be able to pull this off. And it's the simplest solution for what's going on in America. He can and we can erect those barriers against the encroachments of the federal government. I agree. And what you're saying is if people can become you don't have to be a law enforcement officer to become part of the CSPOA, and everybody can join. It's our people's posse, CSPOA posse, so it's on there. It's only eleven dollars a month.
Become a member, be a part of this, help finance this amazing movement. That really is a peaceful and effective solution, and quite frankly, it's the only peaceful and effective solution left except for us moving to those places. I said, or we become two different countries. We already are divided. We might as well make it official. I agree. Yeah, but it's important for people with you. It's important for people to stand with the sheriff.
Everybody's seeing the movie High Noon with Gary Cooper, where you know they leave him tall, Yeah, they leave him to the wolves coming and leave him by himself. You know, you can't leave these guys out there either by themselves. You can join together with us and encourage them to do the right thing, stand with them when they do the right thing. And that's the only way this is going to happen. And I agree. I actually mentioned Gary Cooper's High Noon in my one of my books. I think I
believe it's in The County Shriff of America's Left. Oh good. Yeah, that's a great movie and great example of what this is all really about. We have to stand collect you know. We When I interviewed Jedward Griffin, one of the things he said stuck with me. He said, we have to stand collectively for individual freedom. That's something it's difficult for people who are
so focused on individual freedom. We don't like collectivism, we don't like groups, we don't like belonging at the clubs and all this other kind of stuff. But to freedom, we love it. Yeah, but you know, to have our freedom, we've got to act collectively. And that's something that's difficult for us to grasp as we focus so much on the individual. We
have to have to. So now that now that we've reiterated what we do CSPOA, folks, is there any question as to why the Southern Property Law Center is going after us with a vengeance, lying, lying and lying about Sam Bushman and me. Sam Bushman does his constitutional thing on his Liberty Roundtable radio show, and he's the CEO of CSPOA. And we need we've needed so much help, and I'm so busy with my wife doing my schedule.
I just got back from a twelve day tour in Minnesota and South Dakota and they're are share raring to go, especially in South Dakota, and they're defending this Jared Bosley who doesn't want his land dug up by the carbon solutions people and companies and he's not going to cooperate with them and they're going to have to go around his property because he doesn't want well tell us about that. So what is going on with this? What are they trying to do?
Well, they're trying it's just like fracking. They want to go in these people's property and start digging and go put an underground tunnel through their property, which obviously to dig all that and go under their property. And these property owners say, we're farmers. We don't want to be we want to be left alone. Leave us alone. We're not cooperating. You're you're not a government entity. I don't have to do eminent domain with you. You're a
private business. And these guys are trying to do something for the environment, which is probably bogus anyway, But they're trying to do carbon questering. Is it sequestering a carbon? They're trying to bury it in the ground or something. Is that it? Because that's one of the transported so I thought they were trying to transport it somewhere, but yeah, probably transporting somewhere where they're pumping into the ground. That's another crazy things like getting down trees and burying
trees and everything. It's absolutely insane. But you know, I've seen this from the other side, that Sheriff Mack. You know, I support the use of functional fuels, I call them instead of fossil fuels, and but you know, my objection to the pipelines was the fact that they were coming
in and that they gave emminent domain to corporations. In the case of the pipeline, the XL pipeline, that they gave emminent domain to a foreign corporation out of Canada, and then they were stealing the farms and rendering large areas
of them useless places that people have been there for over a century. So it's a difference between you know, regardless of how this is going to be used, where it's going to be used for some kind of a crazy climate fantasy, or if it's going to be used for real fuel, we can't give imminent domain to these corporations. Begin with a Colo versus London and Connecticut,
and the Supreme Court made the wrong decision there. And now after you know, saying well we can take private land not for public use, but for a corporation's use. Now they're just turning over to the corporations start to take that land without any other reason, and even foreign corporation. So that
has to be resisted. So the federal government is trying to enforce this is that what is happening with the local government is and I'm sure the federal government is going to get involved the company has been offering the county thousands and tens of thousands of dollars if they'll just help them. So bribery is now coming into it. But this farmer, Jared Bossley, I spent some time with
him. I actually got on his combine and we were harvesting. I went with him to harvest soybeans, and I was amazed about the technology and the work that he and his son did together. And this family just simply wants to be left alone, and they have that. I don't care what his reason is, right, I don't care. It's his castle, he owns it, and he does it with his family, and he wants to be
left alone. So I'm going to tell you right now, Carbon Solutions, or what is it, Summit Carbon Solutions, you have to leave him alone and you have to go around that's America. Yes. And the judge who ordered that they allow them to come in and survey their land was way out of line because this guy said no, and the sheriff there is not going
to cooperate with us anymore. And you know I told him, I said, well, you know, let's make the best of the order there, I said, but the next time you and the judge are going to have to set You're going to have to set the judge straight. This is his property and there is no legal reason that he should be required by law or by the judge, but not by law by an incorrect order from the court, that he has to cooperate with this private business. He does not.
He does not. And so this is what we've been working on, folks, and we're doing this nationwide, and the sheriff, the constitutional sheriff, is the peaceful, effective solution to all of this. Folks, get involved in this, come on board with us, join us in this holy cause. And so of course that we're now we're because we're doing we're making headway.
IR EHR Human Rights Group something or other with liar Devon Berhardt. He sent emails to all the sheriffs in Minnesota telling them to stay away from me, that I was dangerous, and that I'm a racist and I'm anti Semitic. I've never been anti Semitic in my life. I don't even know what anti Semitism is. I didn't grow up with it at all. My freshman class teacher, Missus Greenbaum, was my favorite teacher. I didn't know I didn't know Greenbaum was a Jewish name. I didn't care what name. I
didn't care, and no one else did. And Jennie Bellman, she was a Jew, Okay, So we had different religious beliefs. So I liked Eddie Kane and he was Catholic. I like Genie. She was jew she was Jewish. I like Willie and Leroy, and they had a different church to go to. And I went to one of their churches once. It was an amazing, amazing piece of Americana. And so now my mom brought
us up who accept all people and to be behind to everyone. It didn't matter what color you were, or who your daddy was, or who your what your religion was. And my mom trained us to do that. And now they're bad mouthing my mother, saying what a horrible lady she was, and they haven't brought her name up or her position. Uh, but they're saying that I am a racist. That means my mom was okay with that. And I'm telling you, folks, she raised us just the opposite.
My DNA is just the opposite. And these people do not care. Their liars Anti Defamation League has defamed me over and over then I'm racist and anti Semitic, so I tried to call. I saw Jonathan green Blad on Fox News and he was talking about all of this stuff going on between Maas and
Israel. I really was impressed with him. So I left word anti Defamation League that I would like to talk to him because his people have defamed me and sorely mistreated me and mischaracterized me, and so far I've gotten nothing back except they acknowledged that they got my email, so I guess that's what they're supposed to do beforehand. I think Musk he was a good man. I think must mailed him. I think he said, just take off the ante
there. You're just a defamation league and they will people by calling, you know, and we see this from the left, and unfortunately there are really racist people out there, but they give them a pass because they call everybody racist. That's just their first line of attack. And Stone rolling Stone just hit us too. Rolling Stone, him, Davison and and his boss. We're in touch with him. Do you know what Rolling Stone has done,
David. They defended ice T who did killer rap so and it went viral and people got mad at it, and Rolling Stone defended him and said he was a great person. Wo and now we're being light about and they're coming after us because of what and and and yes, so you know what, there are books out there about Martin Luther King. They say he's a real horrible person. Some people bring those up. I don't, okay, but that this is the thing the FBI did illegal monitoring and wire tapping on Martin
Luther King. Why aren't we bringing that up? And said all this illegal stuff that was brought out by him, and even tried to commit extortion against him and blackmail that they were going to give all his sexual exploits that they had on him to his wife. And so I'm against all of that. Yes, And I quote Martin Luther King in my presentation. And Martin Luther King was arrested over thirty times and never committed a crime, never committed to
crime, And yet we don't want to learn from that. And Rosa Parks was arrested for not giving her seat to a white man in America. She was arrested for that, and we preach against that. We show a movie clip about Rosa Parks getting arrested. We said, what would a constitutional sheriff do in that situation, or what would you do now if it's an Amish farmer who's being abused by the FDA or USDA, why do we allow the government to arrest them? And like the federal government's in charge of every ranch
and farm in this entire country, are you kitty? They have no authority to be doing that. And so we're trying to create peace and have people left alone of all races and Anti Defamation League and Rolling Stone and SPOC and IRHR and all these others. And Jessica Pishkoh, a private author or a journalist is going after Oh. She even said she's gone to so many of my seminars. She's like follows me around the country. She's been to so many of them. She can't help but tell a little bit of the truth.
She said, this Sheriff Matt cloaks himself in respectability. But it's dangerous, some people say. Some people say, when she is the one who's saying it. Yeah, it's the that's the typical thing that they do. You know, it's interesting you go back to look at the Southern Powery Law Center. You were talking about Martin Luther King, history of the Southern Powary
Law Center. Morris Deese only was involved in the civil rights movement in order to defend the Ku Klux Klan that beat the Birmingham Marchers and set their buses on fire. And he made what was equivalent to the median family income defending the ku Klux Klan. And then he got out of law for about a
decade and he started running a mail order business. And then he got back into the politics side of things when he said, I'll give you my mail order list, mailing list names to the Carter administration if I'll do this for free for you, if you'll give me your mailing list, is what it was. And so they did that, and so he got the mailing Democrats, and then he became this crusader against the ku Klux Klan and against all racism and all the rest of this stuff. When he set out the entire
civil rights movement except to defend the Ku Klux Klan. That's where he founded SBLC. Yeah, that's right. He's the founder of SBLC. And even liberals talk about what a grifting organization it is and how they've got hundreds of millions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and all the rest of the stuff, and how they spend very little of their money on their stated causes. But I've been attacked by that. They attack everybody that they disagree with politically,
and I'm glad there there. Let me ask you a question. Have you ever voted for a grand poopa of the KKK? Have you ever voted for a personal tech? I haven't. No, Yeah, that's right. Have you ever spoken at a funeral for a KKK leader? No? I haven't. No, Well, Joe Biden has, yeah, And Joe Biden was really buddy buddy with Robert Bird and the Robert Birdy supported Robert Bird. Yeah. And the Democrat Party has a long and sorted history of racism, but
I don't. But now they're trying to create one for me. But they ignore Robert Bird and Joe Biden's huge friendship. And Joe Biden admitted that they were close personal friends, and he spoke at his funeral. Yes, I deplore all of that, and he'll yet and all of them, you know, all all the Democrats, all the big Democrats, all the big lefty Democrats loved Robert Byrd and had absolutely no problem with what you did. But you know, they throw that out. It is a false accusation. I
think you know they came after me insation. There's no question he was part of the KKK and and he was a higher ranking officer in the higher gey. Oh yeah, no, I'm not saying that's a false I'm not saying that's all. I'm saying that what they do is they make false accusations about everybody else in terms of racism. They showed their hand when they started doing
hit pieces in March of twenty twenty. In the first part of April, I was singled out by these people, the same people attacking you, because I said it was medical martial law. Now there's nothing racist about that, right, But these people who say they're all about racism and hate, what's the hate in that? I do hate martial law and I ain't wearing a mask, and so now that makes me what that makes me? That makes me a mask hater? And I'm I guess I'm racist against masks. I
don't know. It gets really stupid. But they've shown their they've shown their hands, they've shown the fact that what they're doing is they're giving cover to real racist as you point out, you know, real racist they speak at his funeral and they applaud him and all the rest of stuff. But they also give a free pass to people because they keep crying wolf about this thing. Yeah, and kill cops, and the killer cops they don't care.
They're fine with that. And look at the horrible things that have done. And now Sam and I are getting very very serious death threats. And Sam just got a real horrible one, and yet no one cares. And yet the SPLC has created such hate environments that they these hate groups that are supported by the SPLC attacked and killed a security guard at the Family Research Center in Washington, d c. Uh. They also attacked the Republican congressman while they're
playing baseball. Uh. And and they nearly killed Scalise, they shot him and they were shooting it up and and all of that was promoted by s PLC hate yes. Uh. And so these hate groups that they this is really ironic and and almost comical that these hate groups I R h R, and Anti Defamation League and and s POC of course especially them CNN, Washington
Post. Uh. These these groups have all been liars hate groups. And I want to say one of them, Sarah Sidner interviewed me and lied and light and light about me, and and uh, that's astonishing that they get they get to get away with all of this, And so we challenge them to honest open debates. We've challenged all these groups the honest open debates. Let's do it on your show, Let's do it on let's do how about this? We do it in Washington, d C. At the Press Club.
Okay, sorry, I had my phone on. And so we're we're we're wanting, we're want honest open debates. Will any of them accept that, David? Have any of them said yes, let's go for it now because they know their lives will not stand up to public scrutiny, the honest public scrutiny. And another one that went after us is the Walter Walter Cronkis
School of Journalism. Where's something in there too that is Howard. And this is an Arizona State University where I live, where I pay taxes to And they did a story on this same thing, all about this, and where I quote Martin Luther King, they don't give him credit. They try to give it to me that I believe that we should all enforce quote unjust laws
and does anybody think that law enforcement should be enforcing unjust laws? And we bring that up because Martin Luther King said that we should disobey all unjust laws. What I bring up is who gets to decide what's unjust? Well, it's every peace officer, it's everyone who's taken an oath, it's anyone and everyone in government that says, this is what the constitution says, and this is the tyranny that's going on. I'm going to side with the constitution and
that's what we're required by law to do. The Supreme law, the rule of law is all about protecting individual liberty. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. That is our job as a patrol officer, as a detective, as a sheriff, as a chief of police, as a county commissioner, as a mayor governor, that is our job. And as a journey to make it as a jury opicit. Yeah, and as a jurals, you know, that's that's the key thing. That's a you
know, we're all supposed to stand against unjust laws. And you point out the civil disobedience was the key of what Martin Luther King was doing. Key to what Gandhi did and so forth, the fact that you know it's a passive approach. You know, they didn't get violent. Gandhi didn't get violent, Martin Luther King didn't get violent. And the sheriffs who are going to
stand there and nullify these, uh, these disobeyed. The sheriff arrested Martin Luther King, and we go through that history of well, we don't do that today, yeah, and who's doing it today? Well, we went after Catholics because whoever made sub stupid stuff up about them. We go after Amish farmers, the most peaceful people on the face of the platt but we arrest them anyway, and we destroy their farms anyway, because we're the federal
government and they have to do what we say. And this is how dictatorial and Marxists it has become and hateful. And yet then these other groups, these hate watch groups, all join in on the hate. That's right, Yeah, just following orders, you know. And when you talk about the death threats that you're getting and Sam is getting and the government doesn't care anything
about that. We've seen this as well with pro life organizations. You know, they can go in and they can you know, destroy the property. They can set fires and vandalize the property, they can threaten people's lives, and the federal government will do nothing at all. But you know, if you stand outside and you silently protest, they'll come in and arrest you and maybe send you to jail for many, many years under the Face Act.
It's just our law enforcement has just gotten so one I coming from the federal government, their approach to all this, it has become so politicized in terms of what they will prosecute and what they will not prosecute. And again, you're going to be standing there without any assistance or support from the FBI or these people. If people are making death threats against you, they frankly don't
care. They probably encourage it. So yeah, it's really sad that it is, and of course spos because of some of the things you've mentioned. They have lost so much credibility. They're still trying to get it back. They're trying to be relevant again. But twenty attorney generals across the country wrote and signed a letter saying that SPLC has no credibility left. When you get twenty ags united in that, you pretty much know they got something and the
FBI used to use them in their training. They don't use them anymore. And the things that the SPLC puts out is so ridiculous. When I was a school teacher, I got an Intel magazine that came out to all the schools in the country and on the front page it was all about the prejudice of It's really stupid, honest, folks, I didn't make this up. Female monthly menstruation, Yes, mainsuation was now an article on the front page of the SPLC Intel Report that went out to all the schools. Because I
was teaching school at the time. This happened just five years ago, and I'd love to get another copy of that. And they were saying that was all about hate. It was all about kind of a hate and prejudice towards female students who have menstruation. They're monthly about and this is exactly and we're supposed to take this organization seriously. And so I guess they couldn't find enough to blame all the racists about, and so they came up with a new
thing about how girls are are mistreated or whatever because they have menstruation. Uh, you know, I think that's been around quite a while, and I think, you know, we've learned how to deal with that, and I think women know how to deal with that. So thank you very much SPLC for bring that up to us. But it was so asinine and ridiculous.
I read it. I literally read it to my female principle and I said, you got to see this that came to the school, you know, because I saw it come to the school, and I said to here, I picked it up, and they were flabbergasted, as what in the world is this group? And I said, I've had to deal with them for quite a while. Well, I did a report about a decade ago on the SBLC, and I called it profits of Hate. You know, they prophesy about they see hate everywhere, right, but it's really all about p
R O F I T S. That's how they make their money. They make their money by pointing the finger at everybody here. And I told the reporter this, just a few weeks ago, your SPLC wants to use me to scare all the donors into donating more money. And they have lots of money, right this, this group has hundreds of millions of dollars and so they with that comes this power that they can put this stuff out everywhere worldwide. That and I are dangerous. You're dangerous, and all that we want
is for people to obey the rule of law and the constitution. Well, I'm sorry that's happening to you. That's a considered dangerous I'm sorry it's happening to you. And again, folks, don't let Sheriff Mac stand out there alone like Gary Cooper and high noon. You know that's that's the key thing. And or your sheriff in your area as well. We've seen this type of thing as a Saulolenskey tactic. We go after one person at a time, We isolate them and focus everything on them. And so right now they're
focusing everything on you. But stand tall. We really do appreciate what you do at csp o a dot org. Thank you so much for joining us, Sheriff Mac. Thank you, David, it's been a pleasure. Thanks so much. Thank you. And yeah, keep keep fighting them. You've got the righteous fight that is happening there. We'll be right back. Folks, stay with us decoding the mainstream propaganda. It's the David Knight Show.