Well, today we're going to begin with our interview. Usually we have our interviews in the third hour, but joining us now because he's going to be involved in events in New York City today on the anniversary of September eleven, Joining us as Richard Gage, AIA and architecture thirty years from the San Francisco Bay Area, a member of the American Institute of Architects, founder and former CEO of Architects and Engineers for nine eleven Truth. He is now independent.
He, along with his courageous wife and assistant Gail, continues to lead the charge hoard of real investigation into the destruction of all three three World Trade Center skyscrapers on nine eleven. You can find him at Richard Gage nine eleven dot
org. Mister Gage became interested in researching the destruction of the World Trade Center high rises after learning after hearing the startling conclusions of the reluctant nine to eleven researcher David Ray Griffin on the radio in two thousand and six, which which
launched his own unyielding quests for the truth about nine to eleven. The organization he founded a nine to eleven Truth now numbers more than thirty five hundred architects and engineers demanding a new investigation ended the destruction of all three World Trade Center high rise buildings on nine eleven. As an architect, he's worked on most
types of building construction, including numerous fireproofed, steel framed buildings. Most recently, he worked on the construction documents for a four hundred million dollar mixed use urban project with one point two million square feet of retail, parking, structure and mid rise office space, altogether about twelve hundred tons of steel framing. Please welcome Richard Gage, AIA architect. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you, David. It's about it to be here with you. Well,
thank you. Let's talk a little bit about the key thing. And over my shoulder here it's a picture of nine to eleven New York City, the commemoration that they put up where they have two beams that are shining up into the sky. Interesting that they didn't do a third one. Let's talk about that third one. Yeah, we did do a third one. About what was it ten years ago? Now, we actually rented force search lights put up on the back of a pickup trump and then from where we were
it looked like three beams. It was all designed to be that way. And we called the media in downtown well around New York and said, there's a third beam in the sky, and we showed it to them and tried to create a thing out of it. The third beam is about Building seven. Yeah, Building seven. Most architecture and engineers don't even know about the third worst structural failure in modern history. And most people in New York knew
about Building seven. They didn't know what came down. Then most of them didn't know that it went back up again, it was rebuilt. So it's quite a story. On the afternoon of nine to eleven, about five twenty witness has heard explosions. Then this building drops like a rock, straight down, uniformly, symmetrically into its own footprint in under seven seconds. So this is exactly like the old hotels in Las Vegas when they bring them down with
controlled demolition. That you know, there's explosions first, and then the building drops, well, the building drops it free fall David, straight straight down. But freefall means as fast as a bowling ball falling from the sky. So what does that mean? That means that not one of the eighty one columns in this building gave any resistance to this seven second long fall. Well, where did they go? There's forty thousand tons of structural steel framing in
this building. Well, NIST says that it came down due to normal office fires. Wait a minute, We have never in this story lost a steel frame fire protected building type one construction ever due to fires. I mean, we've had dozens of much hotter, larger and longer lasting fires in these buildings, so not one of them. It's And then we've had many fully engulfed fires in these kind of structures after nine to eleven, but no, not
one of those came down either. So we've got to have a real investigation. And in fact, FEMA did that investigation for us, and others have done it since. But right away in two thousand and two, FEMA finds in the metallurgical exist sampling of the steel a hot corrosion attack on the steel. It's author, Jonathan Barnett, a fire protection engineer, says the ends of the beams were partly evaporated and extraordinarily like the temperatures. Well, what
does that mean. I'll stop and let you I'll take a breath of Uteller an ordinary office fire, and you know, I would just say to the people, because I've done this, and I think everybody needs to do this, just go to YouTube and look up building demolitions and you can watch that. You've got so many videos that have been put up. They just chain one after the other. Watch all those and ask yourself if this is something that just happened out of ordinary office fires. Just not possible that this type
of thing would have happened. I remember you, you know, you mentioned that it was two thousand and six when you saw an interview of the researcher talking about this. I got you interested in it. This happened my recollection. We didn't have a video. We didn't have any television, and so I didn't see any video of it. We had horrible internet as well at the time in two thousand, when we're living out in the woods. It
wasn't we weren't doing some kind of homesteading thing. We were just in an area where it was dead in terms of broadcast signals and terms of internet and all the rest of stuff. So I was relying on friends and family calling because we had family in New York. We actually had a family member who was in one of the buildings and then got out, And so I'm listening to this and it's like, these planes are hitting the building. Then they
call back later and they say one of them just collapsed. And in my mind I saw this thing going down at an angle, taking out a large part of Manhattan. It wasn't until years later then I really saw these things going right down into their footprint. It's like, what what's gone on with that? You know? They said, well, it didn't hit any other buildings. I'm thinking, how in the world did that happen? And then when I saw it in freefall, that was you know, when it's like,
okay, okay, I know. I was mainly concerned with how they were using this event to take away our liberties. But then I saw what that was and it's like, oh, yeah, that perfectly fits exactly does it really does? And the evidence they just give it to us, I mean, hot sulfur corrosion attack on the steel, Well, guess what, fire, especially normal office fires, do not corrode steel with silver dollar size holes. It just doesn't happen. Steel is not flammable, and yet out
of the towers are ejected. Laterally, four and eight ton structural steel sections at six hundred landing six hundred feet away, ejected at eighty miles an hour laterally cloked by physicists. So these these sections are freely flying. You can see them in the videos. There's thousands of them, and they are on
fire. Well, steel is not flammable in office fire condition. So here's yet another of the dozens of pieces of evidence we're going to talk about that gives us absolutely this is not of a classic progressive collapse as mist claims. They claim that the upper part of the North tower and the South tower drove the rest of the building down to the ground and then destroyed itself. Well, that violates Newton's third law of physics. There's an equal and opposite destruction
when two bodies collide. Though the top part is the lightest, it's the weakest, it would have crushed it destroyed itself even coming into contact with the first part of the cold, hard, heavy steel, intact and not hot. So that gives it away. But what really gives it away is the videos. They don't show in these towers, either of any of the videos. A a top section driving the rest of the building down to the ground, at all. It had to be a little bit bit of delay.
It had to be a little bit of delay. As one section hits the next one, you know it would go down. It went a jolted, but it's a sudden, smooth transition. The upper part is destroying itself. Actually it's not driving the rest of the building down to the ground. It's telescoping in on itself, disintegrating its internal cohesive structure. And you see these
squibs coming out, particularly the South tower. Dozens of them. Squibs are isolated explosive ejections, and they're emerging simultaneously out of the South Tower, and you're going, what's that. You have to kind of look for some of these videos, but they're everywhere to find. Well, it begins to tip over the South tower, but the as it's doing that, these explosions are coming off of it, and it then begins to settle back because it lost
its internal integrity there. Well, after the first three seconds, it's a very different story because well then is when we have these belt of explosions down below that the first responders are one hundred fifty six of them are on record orally in the orally oral recording as they called them by Thomas Bonnis and the
chief fire commissioner. He required everybody to be recorded because he didn't want the memory to be reshaped by a collective memory, as his words will one hundred and fifty six of these first responders talking about explosions, hearing explosions, seeing explosions being blown around the building by explosions like a belt, all these explosions going all the way around the building. Others further away said like a running
under my feet. I like you wanted to grab onto something. The firefighters said like boom boom boom boom boom, boom boom, like they've wanted to take down a building. These are all on record, some of them are, or at least and more just on video. It's incredible. But then
the building comes down in just twelve seconds, both of them identically. I mean, these are very different damage patterns to these buildings through the fires and the planes, the columns breaking, but they all come down symmetrically uniformly, and you can see the belts of explosions advancing rapidly down the face of the building. Individual explosions, twelve of them, you can actually count them in the close up. You can't, but don't believe you're lying eyes just listen
to the government. It's crazy. And you know, if you point it out, it's not just free fall collapse. But we've had a lot of fires before and even since. We have steel buildings that will burn for days, and I've I've shown those. When they happen, you see a twisted
metal skeleton, but it doesn't collapse. You know, it might be bent over a little bit and anything, but it's still there because of that steel frame, even though the thing burned for days, and so nothing makes sense out of this as an architect, you know, when you look at this. One of the big smoking guns about this as well is why haven't there been any changes in the way that they do firefighting? Why haven't there been
any changes in architectural rules. Why there haven't there been any lawsuits against the people who designed this building or against the you know, the New York where they had the code and they did the inspection on this because they had already had a plane that it hit the Empire State Building way back when, and
so they knew that was a possibility. That was something that they designed for, right Yep, they did John Skelling said, this plane could take two hits from a seven H seven, which when they were built in seventy three was the largest building to a plane of its kind. But the problem would be, he said, that the fuel would dump into the building, but the building would still be there. Well, it's fireproofed. Yes, it
should have still been there. But if we look, we can get a clue, David, if we actually look at the in the dust in the aftermath. What does the US Geological Survey finding every sample previously molten iron microspheres, billions of them, all the samples, up to six percent of some of these samples, all of them are molten iron microspheres. What does that mean iron? We haven't used iron in our skyscrapers for one hundred years.
This is elemental iron steel. It's molten meaning it achieved twenty eight hundred degree temperatures, which fires don't even get a quarter that hot. Typically, these fires were probably less than that because they're indicated by the thick black smoke they were going out. At the time of the collapse, there were oxygen starved, so we the USGS finds these microspheres spheres because aerosolized liquids form themselves into
spheres by surface tension. That's just what they do. The EPA says, we don't know what these multi n iron microspheres are or where they came from, but their signature component of the World Trade Center dust. In other words, it's not even World Trade Center dust unless it has these billions of microspheres
in them. R J League and Environmental Concern confirmed doing work on this dust, says these are formed not before but when the building was being built by the welders, afterward by the iron workers taking it apart but drewing the event. Well, wait a minute, what does that mean? Iron? Molten iron is the byproduct of thermite. Thermite is an incendiary used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. So we have all
the dust giving us exactly what happened here. We're talking about thermite at the residue of thermite everywhere in the dust, every sample. In fact, a team of eight international scientists led by Niels Harriet and Copenhagen find all of those and they confirm that, but they also confirm something that others have not found, and this is chips of red gray material. They thought it was paint, but it's attracted to a magnet, so it has a high iron content.
Where you go, well, this is interesting, why does it have a iron content? They do xeeds analysis, extra energy disperses, spectroscopy. What do they find? Aluminum and iron, the key ingredients of thermite in the red layer of these dual layered red gray chips. They go, whoa, we gotta get to the bottom of this. They zoom me in fifty thousand times and they find nanoparticles of iron oxide and aluminum powder. Now we're
talking about super thermite, nano thermite. They identify it as thermite because not only do they know the key ingredients, they put it in a heater, a differential scanning calorimeter and it ignites. What does it do when it ignites? It makes all of these molten iron microspheres with the same chemical signature as the molten iron microspheres found in the dust by the US Geological Survey R. J. Lee and others. So we know exactly where are those malten iron
microspheres came from. They came from these red gray chips. So we have unignited evidence of unignited thermite in the malten iron micospheres and evidence of ignited thermite. I got it backwards. Ignited thermite of the Maulten iron microspheres, unignited thermite in these red gray chips which are ubiquitous, and all the seven samples that they had independently collected all over Manhattan, from all over manhatte that they
were sent to them. So this is incredding incredible because when you reduce the size of these articles in these chips to nano that's a thousand times smaller than a diameter of human hair, the surface volume increases exponentially, so the chemical reaction is virtually instantaneous. You've engineered an incendiary which works by means of massive heat to become more explosive, which works by things by knocking things over.
In fact, kind of what we let me interject this, it's kind of like what we see when we'll see a grain elevator explode or somethings, because the fine fine particles there can ignite because of the increase in the surface area. Yeah, this is something that is already set up to ignite in the first place. Well, you mean the grain elevator, Yeah, I mean it's not as small particles of grain. But you know when you talk about that, it's a small particles a thermite, right, Well, where does
it come from? Thermite is made only in the most advanced defense contracting laboratories. Excuse me, NATO thermite. This is very special. Lawrence Livermore exposed this to us before nineteen Before two thousand and one, they developed the peer reviewed literature on it. They called it super thermite. They did these tests on it, and yeah, it ignites at seven hundred and fifty eight degrees in the in the differential scanning calorimeter. And that's exactly what these seven independent
samples did, so exactly what this stuff is. They put out a twenty four page peer reviewed paper on this in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal in two thousand and nine, and it's literal proof. Now we've had for more than ten years of this material, but yet nobody's submitted their own peer reviewed paper to challenge these results. It stands uncontested. So I mean, people will say, oh, that's just paint, but it's been proven six ways
from Sunday. These are extremely exotic materials and responsible for the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on nine to eleven. If we got it into a court of law, David, they would put the real perpetrators away for mass murder and treason. Yes. Yeah, it reminds me of what happened a week after nine eleven, that's the anthrax attacks. At first they said, well, this is coming from Rock and then they said, well, no, it's a special kind of an And then as I look further,
as they tried to found a patsy they wanted to blame it on. Turns out that the delivery mechanism, just like you're talking about how this is not just ordinary thermite, it's super thermite. They found that the delivery mechanism for this hand trax was also something that was limited to just two labs in the United States. Yeah, and of course this guy that they'd picked for the
patsy didn't work at one of those two labs. I mean, the bottom line is is that the technology is very advanced, allows them to get away with this stuff, but it also points directly to them. At the same time, it's a blessing that they've left us with. They do make mistakes. I mean, they're big, they've got lots of money, they've got evil intentions, it seems that they're murdering three thousand of their own people here.
And yes, and you know, since in the latest false flag operation in the last three years, with the disease that's going around, it's false disease with its fall solution, They've got a lot of power and influence obviously,
but we analyze them. And they just had this last week, just before the anniversary, they said that they used DNA to identify two more victims of this, and they seem to find the victims just before the anniversaries, you know, when this starts to happen, and there's still over a thousand people that disappeared on that day that they have not identified. They said with DNA. Let's talk a little bit about the symmetry and the pile and the destruction of evidence. Well, in the pile, first of all, you
brought this up. This is extremely important. There's more than eleven hundred people for which there was no trace found. I mean, six thousand pieces they did find were small enough to fit into a test two wow. And they were distributed six to eight hundred feet outside each of the towers. So the explosive mechanism was incredible. I mean, yes, we found three hundred whole bodies. We should have found thirty three hundred, twenty seven hundred, a
lot of people bodies literally blown to bits. Absolutely. In fact, there were bone fragments a half inch long found on top of the roof of the Deutsche Bank building across the street from the South Tower. How did they get there? We're talking these bodies should have been trapped between one hundred and ten floors, each of which is made of four and eight inch thick concrete, and none of which are found at the base of the tower. We don't
have these acre an acre in size, these floors. We don't have fifty of them, we don't have ten of them. We don't have one of them. What we do have at the base is of or five story pile of twisted steel. Where's the concrete. It's been pulverized in midair. All the photos, all the videos show just that, and it's been laid like a blanket of one hundred micron average sized dust across Lower Manhattan from river to
river, three square miles of dust. That's where the concrete is, which means what that the concrete is not available to crush the building if it's been distributed and pulverized in mid air. Well, neither is the steel. About ninety five percent or more of the steel has been ejected laterally, like we talked about outside the building's footprint. That's one hundred thousand tons of steel that's not available to crush the building either. And yet that's the whole theory of
mists. There's so many ways to take apart that that story. They said it drove the building down to the ground. It wasn't there to drive the building down to the ground. And yes, the north tower particularly came down almost symmetrical, which means all of those columns had to give way at once. Otherwise it would have tipped over like you said, no jolt, It would have hit the cold, hard, intact steel. It might have fallen
over if it was to be that badly damaged. But in reality, the initiation of collapse never would have started, and if it did, it would have slowed down and stopped. That's been proven by physicists as well, But we don't have the platform that we need to prove these things. Yes, yeah, so much for the domino theory of NST right. I mean, we've had domino theories that led us into Vietnam War. Now we had this
domino theory about the collapse of the buildings. Absolutely is amazing. Yeah, much of that very very thorough in terms of this, of course, you've been on this for a very very long time. What about the destruction of the evidence. I remember a lot of people that are still suffering after all these years, was because they were so bent on getting this stuff removed as much of it as they could and subjecting people to the dust because at that
point in time they didn't care about mass. They care all about masks now, but they didn't then, and so as a mad rush to remove a lot of this evidence, a lot of stuff that was still burning. Right. Yeah, within two weeks after nine to eleven, this evidence has taken out from under the noses of those who would investigate it, like structural engineer Abel Hazen Astani Azzle from UC Berkeley, given a National Science Foundation grant to
study the steal. He said, they're taking all the steal to China to put in a melting pot for fifteen cents a pound. That's nothing, that's what he says. And others couldn't get their hands on it to do a
proper forensic investigation. Four hundred truckloads per day were lined up, starting just two weeks after nine to eleven, taking this to put it steel and putting it on barges sent to China for recycling, I mean, and prompting Bill Manning, editor in chief of Fire Engineering Magazine, to cry out on as magazine, the magazine that ties all the fire protection engineers together in this country.
Crucial evidence, he says, there's on the slow vote to China, showing an astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough scientific investigation. The evidence, the destruction of evidence must stop. It didn't. Of course, it continued at an incredible pace. This is the illegal destruction of evidence in a crime scene. But guess what, this was an act of war because of the attack on the Pentagon. So they were not bound they
said, or imagined by the rule of preservation of evidence. Yeah, it wasn't an attack of war, wasn't it. But not from the people that they identified. And that's the key thing when you look at this, the government story, regardless of what happened, the government story is just not even close to being possible. And that's why you got involved in this investigating it. Talk about the jet planes themselves and information that you found from that.
Well, we know the planes hit the towers, but we don't know what planes hit the towers. There's all kinds of problems matching serial numbers. I do have firefighters that were picking up plane parts. There's some people who say there's no planes, but we have lots of evidence of planes. They're picking them up, they're putting them in the bin. The FBI supervising that part of it so they can control it, certainly because they don't want they don't
want those parts getting out. They got their wrong serial. What does that mean? Well, you were going to execute a plan to bring down the tallest buildings in the world, at least in nineteen seventy three, and one of the largest in Manhattan. Each each war of this building was the size of the football field. Would you trust and this one wasn't hit by a
plane, of course, and came down anyway. But for these two, would you trust hijackers who failed Cessna flying school to bring those planes to their targets? Probably not. In fact, there was remotely guided aircraft technology in those planes at the time, though it was not well known, and this has been researched by several others, including Captain Dan Hanley who runs Pilot Whistleblowers and nine to eleven pilots dot org. You can learn more about that.
But yeah, there's there's some real problems with these with these planes where they switched out were more refined military craft used with the same fuselage and wings which they had. And some people actually said they saw a great plane. So were they even did they have time to paint it? I don't even know now when you say the different serial numbers, where did that? Where the
different serial numbers come from or what? Well? There, I don't have the details on that, David. There's some things that research and there's some things I I here that have been researched. That research does exist. I'm not the source of it, and I'm top of my head. I can't take you there. Yeah, that's not you. You focus more on the
architectural stuff in the buildings, you know. I find it interesting, and I've said this before that there really wasn't even though we knew that there was remote control capability for you know, commercial jets and things like that, because they had used remote control to crash them as they would look to see what happened to occupants inside during a crash. Just like you got crash test dummies for cars. They did that for airplanes for years and and then immediately after
this, you've got the war in Afghanistan. The stars of the war were the autonomous drones and things like that, and so you know they come out here. Oh, by the way, you know, it's we got this fleet of these things. Now. You know, they kind of kept it under wraps in terms of doing that, But even going back back into the nineteen sixties, they'd even talked about in Operation Northwoods that they would do exactly this type of thing in order to create public opinion around an attack on Cuba.
So we could fly these planes into buildings, we could take them out and fake the fact that there are people on board and say it was blown up over the sea. We could even use it to attack military stations, and we could use all that then and identify Cuba as the people doing it in a false flying operation. That was what Operation Northwoods was all about.
They had proposed that JFK shut it down, but they had already proposed that back in the early nineteen sixties and so for the longest time they'd had the capability of doing remote control commercial jets. Uh, you know, it was nothing new. Even though it seemed new to the public, it was not in the public eye. And in fact, remote control goes all the way back to World War Two, where we even had remote control. Uh,
we didn't have to use kamakazees. But that there's a plane in Florida in an air museum, air Force museum that is noted specifically for its remote control capability back in World War Two. So this is not you know, some kind of sci fi thing, futuristic talk about did you get involved were you primarily involved with the three buildings in New York? And of course that's a key part of it. You know, everybody says, well, you know, it was hit by a plane and then a quantified on the plane,
and but you know, the airplane fuel and everything. They believed that that would do that, and you've you've addressed that. But the Building seven was a key thing because it was not hit by an airplane, it wasn't loaded with airplane fuel and all the rest of stuff. It's why they don't like to talk about Building seven or even Yeah, this says, in the case of the planes that did hit these, ninety percent of the fuel was burned
up outside the building. This is the National Institute of Standards and Technology was tasked by Congress to explain these collapses to the American people. They said, the rest was gone burned up in just ten minutes, so we didn't have any jet fuel in these buildings for about an hour while they were burning almost an hour less than the celltou So, yeah, you're right, but you know, the public perception is, well, you know, of course they
collapse, they were hit by jets and all this skden the buildings. I was not hit by jet. You know. The key thing is three buildings but only two planes, you know, and that that's the key the math. Yeah, exactly, it's like two plus two hicles five, you know, it's and you've got witnesses. They hear explosions here, Kevin mcpadden says, like, but boom like you like you were you wanted to grab onto
something. I knew that was an explosion. You know, because people who tell the truth around these matters, they get ridiculed, and so they try to be very specific. The first responders were extremely specific with regard to their quotes before the towers came down, and then many of them saw flashes at light. But in Darryl, a medical student in the case of Building seven, says, we were watching the building and there was a clap of thunder
and then the building came down, crashing down. Yeah, yeah, very specific. Bill Rizati says, there's a flash of light in this building and an allowed explosion. Well, give us got all the evidence we need. Have you been focused on the Pentagon and what happened there or you primarily focused
on the New York buildings. Yeah, I am focused on the New York buildings, but at the Pentagon. While there's controversy among nine to eleven truth researchers about what did or didn't hit it, all of us agree that we need a new investigation. For instance, we have Honey Hanjer, who failed set snuff lying school himself, who is said to have maneuvered a this seven fifty seven coming into the Pentagon, not dropping into through the vulnerable roof structure
to Donald Rumsfeld's office. No, that could have been done a dive bomb, but a two hundred and seventy degree turn and dropping three thousand feet per minute in what's more of a fighter jet type maneuver, coming straight in and level with the ground hitting what the Naval Intelligence Department, who was tasked with locating and accounting for the two point three trillion dollars that Donald Rumsfeld had announced
the day before nine to eleven was missing from the Panagon budget or unaccountable in it. So that's that's really suspicious. Oh yeah, yeah. I had had a friend who was in the military went to West Point. He was telling me, you know, years before that, talking about cruise missiles and stuff. He said, you know, we can they're so accurate. We can pick which window of the Kremlin we want to fly them through. I
know. And then I had a personal experience which I was caught between Karen and I and my wife were in this tourist shop in an area in Texas and Dana Wimberley, and there was a lady there and she and her husband had retired for the military, and it was a slow season, and my wife is looking through and I'm just kind of standing there and she was desperate to talk to somebody. She just starts monologuing about their career and how they
came here. She said, you know, when I used to work for the Pentecon we were finding trillions of dollars that were missing, and we had all kinds of people taking early retirement to avoid being incriminated and everything. She goes, and then my husband retired and I followed him. We came here and did this. She said, you know, it was really a blessing because it was in my very office where that thing flu and she could not connect the dots. Just amazing. You know, she did not connect the
dots. I said, who do you listen to for news shows? Some Fox and stuff like that. It's like, okay, okay, and she's never hurt anybody. Question that. I imagine if she heard it would all of a sudden it would click with her like that. But it didn't. And you know, I'm sitting there and thinking I need to get my phone out and start recording this. But I was afraid she was going to stop
talking, So I just you need to stick me on her. Everybody who sees this evidence and we're just talking about it, right, David, But what I have a thirty minute, an hour and a two hour presentation that I do on these subjects, and it is overwhelming to watch this Building seven dropping as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky. We've all seen the old hotel, so we know immediately what it is. We know it was taken out. Therefore we know it was part of the nine to
eleven conspiracy. I mean, there's it takes looks of planning to execute these controlled demolitions. So in Building seven, they say nobody died in this building, although there's one witness, Verry Jennings, who says he was crawling over dead bodies to get out of that building. Regardless, the public is more open to Building seven because it doesn't have the trauma associated with all of those deaths and the incredible jumping out of the plant, out of the building,
and then the planes hitting the buildings. So we start with Building seven and people go, oh, of course, that's a controlled demolition. That's what we do at the American Institute of Architects conventions. Before they kicked us out, we had gone to five of these conventions and architects stop. We're the busiest booth there. They come around and they just look at this controlled demolition.
We say, do you know when this happened? Because they say it's a controlled demolition on the monitor in front of them, and we go they go, no, I don't know when that happened. Well, that happened on nine to eleven. Why that's not a twin tower. No it's not.
This isn't the third tower. We tell them what happened, and then they're open to looking at the towers and all of the incredible evidence that we have there just like a geometry of fireworks, freely flying structural steel sections uh laterally distributed trailing thick white smoke clouds on fire, which is the thermite, of course, and and can only be that it looks more like a volcanic eruption in the tongue and sea. In two thousand and nine, we showed
them that and compare the two. You can't tell the difference. Wow, Wow, that's amazing. What about you know the shel Silverstein was und his name. They had buildings have same Larry Silverstein. Okay, yeah, yeah, let me say because that's that's really important. A year later, Larry Silverstein's interviewed on America Rebuilds and he's talking about Building seven. He's asked about it as well, there's been such terrible loss of life. I was talking
to the fire commander. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull, Yeah, And so they gave the order to pull, and we watched the building come down. That's the owner who built this building here, he says later, Oh, I didn't mean pull the building. I meant to pull the firefighters out of the building. Well, guess what they weren't in the building. They were told not to fight the fire. They were told it was going to come down because the structure was weakened. It could come down on
its own. So we're just going to wait. So hundreds of firefighters were nearby watching the building with these few small scattered fires that were in it, and they're waiting for it to come down. And sure enough, after these mysterious construction workers walking away from Building seven hearing an explosion over their shoulder in the late afternoon of nine to eleven, looking back at the building and then looking straight into the CNN camera and saying this here about buildings coming down,
A flame of debris coming down. It's going to blow up. Truly, it's amazing. It's a few small scattered fires, it is, yeah, and it's so what is the status of nine to eleven? I mean many of us have looked at this, the evidence that you have given, it's just astounding and it demands an answer, and and yet everybody seems to turn a blind eye to it for the most part in official circles. What is
the status of any investigation? What is the hope of any investigation? With us, they're all, notice all four hundred and thirty five members of Congress or a five thirty five. We've given them her petition. Every third year or so, we go to Washington, DC. We give them the latest DVD, the latest book, the latest efforts were making. We talked to their staffers. They're they're very interested. To the congress person, this is
this is really important, but nothing ever happens. So they're they're going to be held accountable one way or another. The media, of course, won't even talk to us. They won't. We we've we've given well, it's not completely true. Haraldo Rivera had one of the family members, one of the engineers on and he said, this looks it looks suspicious to me, particularly Building seven. Now I know why there's thirteen hundred and fifty architects and
engineers demanding a new investigation. Well, there's thirty six hundred and now right I'm separated from the organization Architects and Engineers for nine to eleven Truth, but they continue focusing on getting the engineers going. I work on the public and the media where where where I can get in. But the way we're going to get a real investigation is by educating the public and getting a grand jury investigation, which is why we've submitted this evidence in sixty exhibits to the US
Attorney for a special grand jury investigation. Now he's done nothing with it, and so we've sued him and that's gone through the legal process, and now we're going to be taking the evidence to a s federal judge to be given directly to a special grand jury. And we're making a set of film nine to eleven crime Scene to Courtroom, and that is a series of two dozen episodes with myself and twenty four experts giving the evidence in a boardroom jury,
a grand jury setting with our stand in grand jurors. We present all the evidence and Mick Harrison, the litigation director for the Lawyer's Committee for nine eleven Inquiry, who's board I sit on, also we're partnering and making this film.
He's going to be educated eating the grand jury and the public about what are the implications of each different type of evidence that we're going to be presenting, eyewitness testimony, forensic evidence, etc. And he'll give them their opportunities to subpoena people who might say, subpoena for more information about this, what are their duties their obligations. So it's an extraordinary film. We've filmed it
already in Washington, DC. We're raising funds for the completion of it in post production and so people can actually get this film produced by becoming a co producer and your name's on the credits with a five hundred dollar donation. So all that can be done here at Richard Gage nine one dot org. So we encourage you guys to help us. That's great. Yeah, and so
yeah Richard Gage nine one one dot org. And people can help to crowdfund that and to complete it because you've already, as you said, you filmed a great deal of it. I just need to get that together. That would be very important to do, you know, Richard. I was I
was talking at Jay Warner Wallace a couple of weeks ago. He is a cold case detective and they would go back and look at at murder scenes where all they've got is the evidence and the people, the witnesses to the crime or whatever, have long since died, the detectives have died, but they've got that stuff there. That's why what you're doing is so important. And of course he eventually became a Christian and he applied those same types of investigation
to looking at the racity of the biblical account Christian account. But the key is what we're looking at here is we've got over three thousand murders just in New York. This is something that is not going to go away. And just as we see with JFK situation, there's a lot of people who have
maybe not yet come forward. But you have collected so much information that ought to be damning in and of itself, and this is something that may be done by future generations, but the truth will will eventually be discovered, and I think it'll happen when the people who have a vested interest in the lies have been removed from the scene. I think that the most important thing to do. Certainly, we need to raise the awareness of people to ask for
an investigation. But by collecting this information, as you've done, and you continue to do it is going to be a body of evidence that is eventually going to show what the truth is about nine eleven. I believe. Yeah, I do too, David, and that's why I'm still at it eighteen years later. I got really angry when I heard about this in two thousand and six, and it's been fueling me ever since that this justice for the
nine to eleven victims family members is my primary motivation. That was right, Yeah, it's hard to get your head around the death of that many people. And you know, we looked at the beginning. I came at this from look at how they're using this right, how they're using this to destroy the constitution, and they've laid so many authoritarian foundations for our government by using this event, and that and of itself is criminal by itself, and that's
another angle of attack to this. But the deaths of these people. I think this is going to continue to go on. I think people are going to demand an answer to this stuff. And the evidence that you guys have put together continues to expand, you know, people are still looking at this and it is going to continue to expand because there is so much evidence there. People can continue to investigate that, and the investigation is going to continue
till we get to the end of this again. You know, when you look at these architects and engineers, and to me, another smoking gun about this is just the fact that they haven't changed any firefighting procedures, haven't changed any building codes based on this. They want us to believe that this is an ordinary fire that took down Building seven, but no building code changes. Is that correct? Are you more of any There's no changes to the structural
codes at all. There's They've added some fireproofing, they added some stairs get people out faster, but nothing to keep a building from free falling due to a few small, scattered buyers. So that's telling. It's extremely telling. And the firefighting policies, they're still going into burning buildings without fear of them coming down because they don't know about Building seven. It wasn't the big controversy
in architecture or in firefighting manuals. The NFPA doesn't even discuss it, and yet is the third worst structural failure in modern history due to fires, and the National Fire Protection Association is ignoring it, which is why we went to their convention in Las Vegas this summer and before that Boston, Oh good last year. Good. And we had a booth and we had firefighters there with us. Eric Lawyer of Firefighters for nine eleven truth and I and others were
educating fire protection engineers. We had the monitor up. They come by, Did you know when this building came down? Oh? No, again, the whole story. They're just blown away because we go into they say, we go into skyscrapers routinely to put out fires, big fires, much bigger
than the few small fires they had in Building seven. Yeah, So their policies have not changed because and I'm one of ninety thousand members of the American Institute of Architects and we have not received one bulletin on this major disaster of a collapse. It wasn't it. We just completely swept under the rug. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I remember years ago I talked to Tony
Rook of the UK and they were trying to get firefighters together. They're to ask these same questions, you know, because they're using the same kind of rules as we do, the same kind of guidelines for the building of that. Do you realize Building seven wasn't hit by plane that burned down ordinary fires, supposedly quarre and why aren't we changing anything that we do? And so this is this is a concern that beyond this country in terms of people looking
at these rules. Tell us what you're doing today in New York. I know you're there for special event. Yep. It's an exciting day for those of us who have the passion in our hearts to reach the public. I know it's it's it's a it's a it's a it's a very sorrowful day too because we lost so many. Yes, but this is the opportunity for us to tell them the truth about those who died and how and why. Some
people get into the why. I don't as much. But we'll be at ground zero on VZ Street near Building seven all day and we brought hundreds and hundreds of brochures to hand out. We're going to be telling people that right there stood building seven, forty seven stories. It came down to it wasn't hit by a plane. Did you hear about it? I heard something about
it is fairly typical. But then you can give them the facts and they just wake up and we give them the brochure, which has a complete outline of all the information we discussed, which is by the way, available, are for sure our DVDs. The documentary nine to eleven Explosive Evidence Experts speak Out is on our website, Richard Gage nine dot org. But we tell them all of this, and so there's some people who can't hear it, David, they'll get angry and and we give them love. We were there
too. I was I wanted to go into Afghanistan and Iraq and get those you know what's that did this to us. I was a flag waving Reagan Republican. When I heard David Ray Griffin on the radio in the San Francisco Bay area March twenty ninth, my world turned upside down as I was hearing this even and went to see him speak the next night. They were sold out, six hundred people packed in the Grand Lake Theater. I had to go home and watch on livestream. I had to prove this, so I
did made a power point. I took it to the firm I worked for, fourteen architects because they had thought I was kind of nuts. But over the next couple of months, I assembled this research. I took it to them. I bought him pizza. I made him come in and drive him forty five minutes of visual technical evidence. All of them agreed, Oh my god, you're right. These are controlled demolitions. We've got to have a
real investigation. Now there's thirty six hundred architects and engineers demanding just that. Well, thank you so much for caring about the truth, and you're consistent holding to it and pushing for you know, that's the key thing. If you've got the truth, it's the other people who run away from this. The other people don't want to debate it, the other people who don't want to show what is there. You've got the truth, you're not You're not
worried about debating it. Now the documentary you mentioned explosive evidence that's at Richard Gage and nine eleven dot org. That is not the one that is currently under crowdsourcing. There's already one that's finished. Is that right? Well, yeah, that one combined experts and that was made ten years ago. Nine to eleven explosive evidence. Now we're just were it's we're propelling it into into a new dimension. Nine to eleven crime scene to courtroom. That's the one
that we're finishing up. We've already filmed. It. It's been filmed in Washington, DC, at the Supreme Court and at our venue for a special grand jury investigation. It's it's it's extraordinary. It's the most comprehensive body of evidence we've ever compiled. Also, which is why it's twenty four episodes, but they're ranged from ten minutes to twenty minutes each. That's great. Well, you know that's the key thing. And and again I just want to
thank you because I know that it's difficult to swim against the tide. And you know, when you tell somebody something that they don't want to believe, they've already heard something else. And the government is pushing in all the authorities and the experts are pushing in a different direction. And this is settled. You know. We hear that we've got subtled science about climate, we've got
subtled science about the pandemic and all the rest of stuff. And when the experts and the government are all telling you this and you come out with it, you know, then they've got these pejority of terms that they throw at your conspiracy theorists and all the rest of the stuff. You're a lunatic, Your tinfoil hat and the rest of this. So kudos to you for standing by what you know to be true for so many years and for pushing this.
It is making a difference. The truth is eventually going to be understood by the wide majority of people, and the people who are going to be tart and feathered by future generations in retrospect are the people who lied to us and who continue to cover this stuff up. So thank you so much for doing that again, Richard Gage nine eleven dot Org. And I even had someone Richard contact me who had already set up the interview and he said,
I hope you cover nine to eleven on Monday. I'm in New York, so that listener, you can find Richard there at the site of building seven and he'll be there all day, right, is that correct? Yep, Look, you're beat good. Thank you so much for what you're doing at tireless pursuit of truth. We'll be right back, folks, stay with us, the common man. They created common Core a dumbed down our children. They created common Past to track and control us, their Commons project to make
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