I guess now is Andrew Riddle? He riddle, I'm sorry. He is a CEO of Liberation Technology Services, a company at the forefront of cloud hosting industry, and he's involved in cybersecurity, and he has contacted me. He wanted to talk about artificial intelligence and the threats to us, and they are tremendous threats to us. Thank you for joining us, Andrew, Well, thank you so much for having me. Really looking forward to the conversation.
I am too, and I've had people on many times to talk about artificial intelligence. I had a guy who was with a military industrial complex and they were talking about the different modeling things that they were doing, and it was very, very interesting. He even had concerns about even though he felt that it was necessary in this arms race against tryinga to have all this stuff.
He says, well, I don't know how we actually once we turn over control and it's inevitable going to turn control over in a warsenn area, how do we stop it? How do we get control back? I don't know yet. You know. So they're talking about this stuff and the question is how do we get control back from these things? Let me let me as we start here. Let me get your reaction to what I played earlier today. I'm sure that you've maybe seen the announcement about Copilot for Microsoft, that
they're going to put artificial intelligence on your laptop. It's going to constantly be taking screenshots of what you're doing and making assessments about what you want. You know, of course, to be your friend and your servant, and it will never violate your privacy. What do you think about that? Do you think anybody wants this? Do you think anybody believes those promises? Well?
I think the scary fact of the matter is it's already happening. Microsoft is just you know, openly acknowledging the fact that they're doing this, right. We see this with TikTok, We see this with Google, We see this with all these other companies that have integrated the AI and other you know, data collection methods. It's, you know, TikTok a little known fact.
They access every single app on your device, and so you know they're they're also looking at your banking apps, your financial apps, your health apps, and all these other things. But I think it is concerning, you know, the whether they're publicly acknowledging it, like Microsoft, or you know, convertly doing it. I think that it is very concerning because with that sheer amount of data, you know, the question lies what will they be able
to do with that? Right, it's not just to make suggestions, you know, will they be able to then start subliminally targeting us with you know, the obvious things like products and services, but you know, will they be able to also start manipulating our behaviors, our actions throughout the day because they know how in a subconscious level, we react to certain triggers and environments.
You know, Okay, they want everyone to to perform action a you know, they know if they hit us with the right messaging or visuals or audio or audible uh you know, methods, you know we'll react. Yeah, they call it nudging. You know, they know how to give you subtle pushes in different ways. They call it a nudge. And you know, the whole artificial intelligence thing is based on scraping data from all over the
internet, so we know they're doing that. We know that everything just put out there in social media is available to any government agency to scrape or any company can scrape it there, so that part of it is not new. I guess when I looked at the uh, the Microsoft Copilot, I thought, oh great, now I get my own personal little Stasi spy to keep. Before there was a large engagement from like the human element of a platform that would have to say, okay, well this either violates terms of service
or hey, we want to push this narrative and thing like that. But we're essentially now handing all of the data and all of the control over to this AI. And you know, as you were saying just before the break, you know, it isn't the terminator AI that we all think of, but it is possible. You think Chad GBT launched less than a year ago, and the developments that we've seen in the space since then are you know, monumental. You know, what will this environment look like in twelve twenty
four to thirty six months. I think that's where we need to proactively start thinking and start planning, because, yeah, we might not be able to put the genie back in the bottle once it's activated, especially if you give it a gun. Yeah, which they're doing. They're dying into flyplanes and
drop bombs and there's a gun, you know. And speaking of that, there was an excellent novel that was written about twelve or thirteen years ago by Daniel Suarez called Kill Decision, and it's about using AI and drones and how disruptive and revolutionary that was going to be to the military industrial complex. And my son just went back, who told me about that years ago and we listened to it years ago, and he went back and listened to it again.
He said, you know, and that novel. What kicks it off is the AI's ability to look at a picture and to make assessments about what is in that picture, just as we saw demonstrated last week, and you know, the open AI, the chat four to oh where you got. You know, everybody's focusing on the voice of Scarlett Johansson, but it really is concerning. Even though we know that it is a demo and there may be some rigged aspects of it, it truly was pretty amazing what that was
able to do. And as you point out, there's been massive leaps and what is the perceived capability of these systems? Yeah, you know, and we've already seen that technology really get involved in this selection already. Yeah, you know, in New Hampshire there was the Joe Biden deep fake where they were able to you know, one of the Democratic challengers was able to persuade voters not to go out and vote or to alter their vote because they got
a phone call from Joe Biden, right. And that's where it becomes so concerning because there is very there's next to no oversight in this space, aside from you know, these technology companies saying oh, well, we'll do better, but there's really no oversight in steps put in place ahead of the election to protect us against these types of threats. And you know, it's one of those things as we've seen in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty you
know, trying to fix something after the fact. The courts, the public opinions, you know, they're not going to deal with that. So you know, there's a chance that we could see a deep fake give out false information have a impact in the election, and everyone will just kind of throw their hands up and say, well, we'll try not to let this happen again. But the outcome of the election is still decided. And I think it's important. You know, we've seen lies, manipulation, and propaganda.
It's always been there as part of an election. I think what is different about this and I've mentioned this from the very beginning with artificial intelligence, even when we had the chatbots that were hallucinating with stuff. Immediately, even though they were coming up with these wile scenarios, people started backfilling and saying, well, maybe this thing is really aware, you know, and anthropomorphizing it and giving it credibility instead of looking at this and saying, this is a
bunch of crap. You know, because I started my first thing when I interacted it was with it. I started talking to it about climate change or about the Pfizer shot or something like that. You know. Of course it kind of just shut me down. And so I was like, Okay, I get this, it's just another control mechanism. But most people, I think the real danger is the confidence that people will put in this. You know. I was trained as an engineer, and we were always told from
the very beginning, garbage and garbage out. Don't trust this just because you've got a computer print out. Don't trust it just because it's a model from somebody. Because you can make the computer say anything that you want, it's not necessarily right. And people shut down that critical thought. And I think that's one of the most deceptive and dangerous things about artificial intelligence. I think that's why it's important to talk about it. But let me ask you.
You know you mentioned earlier about putting the genie back in the bottle? What can we do and what can we do proactively? Because this stuff is rapidly evolving and people are looking at it in terms of we typically react after the fact instead of saying, well, I know where this is going, so let's put in some safeguards about this. Is there anything that we can or should be doing in your opinion, yeah, So I think that we from
a market perspective, can really dictate the direction that AI goes. You know, if products are being pushed, you know, without your consent, without the ability to opt out, then my recommendation is vote with your dollars and don't support those platforms. Right AI. The AI that we see today is just a tool, and so it is as good or as bad as those wielding it. And so at the end of the day, you know, if Google is saying, hey, you're going to you know, accept Gemini.
Gemini is everywhere, same with Copilot, then use a different browser, right one that is not forcing an AI on you. And if we see you know, hundreds of millions of Americans start to change their behaviors, Well, then those companies will start to reassess the implementation and how they're looking at AI not as something that necessarily has to be pushed on every single person, but something that individuals have the ability to opt into and to utilize. Right.
You know, it's one thing if you log in to chat GBT and type in prompts and get responses, that is a opt in action. But to say, you know, we're going to put an AI into the search engine and it's going to track everything that you do, filter everything that you see, present the narrative in the stories that we want you to see, then we can't support that, right. You know, I think oftentimes people think about making an impact in this nation as something they only do every two
years in an election. But we have the ability to vote with our wallets and vote with our feet every single day. And if we actually get intentional about that, you know, this is still very much a capitalistic society, and those companies will will come to stark reality very very quickly. I agree. I really endorse that what you just said, and we need to give them the bud light treatment, you know, yeah, boycott them. And you know, so often we look at things and say, well, you
know, I know they're going to be using this to mine data. I know they're going to use it for anticipatory intelligence and geospatial intelligence and all these other things as part of the surveillance state. Can we get the politicians to put in some legislation is going to block all that? That isn't going to happen. Most likely they haven't even address Section two thirty and reevaluating the broad protections against lawsuit with many of these tech companies. Plus you look at it,
Google, AWS and some of the other big players. Those are the biggest donors. And you know, elections almost a year after years, so I think, you know what, I've come to the realization the Silicon Valley companies are going to do everything that they can to keep the Democrats in power. That's because they know that there's at least a chance, especially under Trump, that Republicans will take up this issue and pass legislation to you know,
kind of balance out the playing field. And so they're going to fight like hell to kind of keep their open payground for as long as possible. You know, they play that. I think they play that game on both sides though. I mean we just saw what speaker John's illium, Mike Well he
just did about FISA. You know, if we think that we're going to stop anything, certainly at the federal level, people just need to look at you know, that April twentieth where that four twenty what was he smoking where he I think he was smoking rolled up one hundreds that he got from Silicon Valley and the intelligence community and the military industrial complex for their wars for the PAISA expansion because he extended it, and he expanded it, and so these
people are not open to shutting this down. I mean, he got twenty million dollars in his first quarter as first full quarter as speaker, and so you're right, they're giving them money. And I think the most effective thing that we can do. I think what is important for grassroots change is to expose our artificial intelligence for what it is. It's artificial, it's fake. As I've been talking about this, and it's bias exactly biased pulled into it
in his leaders. Yeah yeah, yeah. And we've seen you know, the the kind of toxic bias in you know culture via the Twitter files, right, you know, if it is that bad at Twitter at the time, who's to say it's not as bad or worse at Google or AWS and Microsoft, And so you know, you have to look at that and understand
that bias. And I think that, you know, that's why we see the onslaught of attacks from every single direction against Donald Trump, because at the end of the day, you know, they realize Donald Trump is one of those few politicians that is harder to manipulate, right. You know, you do have the career politicians like Johnson, like McCarthy, you know where they're
they're pretty predictable. But then you know, you throw some of these other elected officials in and you know there's more of a chance not saying they will one hundred percent, but there's a higher chance that they will take up the issues with Section two thirty. And that's what we have to hope for and to also push on our elected officials to do. Yeah, I think that
is I would agree with you that Trump is unpredictable. I don't necessarily expect him to keep any of his problem You got betterment in there, too, And you know, we are seeing an age of you know, elected some elected not necessarily following the standard playbook actually Soprise Entertainment. I agree. I
was absolutely surprised. You know, the Turks and Caicos where they've now arrested five Americans because they found a bullet in their suitcase, not a gun, but a bullet, and they're going to give them a mandatory minimum of twelve years. They had a congressional delegation go down then Fetterman was one of them. I thought, what is going on? I Maane to get his mind back. What is happening with this guy? He seems to have completely changed
for the better in many different ways. I don't know, I haven't seen everything that he's done. I'm not endorsing Fetterman, but I was surprised he did the right thing. And look, I want to give people credit whenever they do the right thing wherever they are. But I agree with you. I think the key thing is that we have to get people to understand some basic values have to be as opposed to the surveillance state has as much as
they are to you know, grooming of kids with this transgender thing. You know, if we want to get them to reject this stuff like they rejected bud Light, we have to have them as much in favor of privacy and free speech as they are in favor of parental rights and things like that. So there's the problem is the reason that people are not pushing back against it. A. They don't understand the danger of it. B. They don't understand how deceptive it is. And see, they don't really embrace the values
of privacy. They're not opposed to the surveillance state as much as they need to be. They don't understand the dangers of that. I think that's one of the key things. And I agree with you. I think we're not going to be able to get the federal government to do anything, but we can have We have a tremendous amount of power if we can muster public opinion to support the good things and to oppose the bad things, and just to
be vaulted by this as much as we are. By Dylan mulvany, which rul well, yeah, I think that it's it's a very interesting situation. That's exactly why we found a liberation to protect people's data, to restore their right to privacy, to not no longer collect and monitor and monetize their information and online habits. But you know, you look at this and I think that there is a real wave because we have to think about it in a
larger scope. The left has been activated and mobilized, you know, pushing these ideologies for over twenty plus years, you know, with with soros Arabella and all of these other institutions. You know, Conservatives, we've actually been re engaged for only about three and a half four years at this point, and so you know, we are over a decade behind, but can quickly make up the ground. And you know, for the average, every day
a marriag. You know, most of these issues don't impact us in our homes, right, but we do see that it is, in my opinion, kind of causing a degrading societal impact and moving us away from the founding principles of this nation. And so it might not impact you every single day, but that does not mean you should sit on the sidelines. Like let's
be honest. You look at the kids at Columbia and NYU. They probably couldn't even put out point out Gauz on a map if they tried, but they have this tendency of mobilization that they are are being fed I think garbage information, but that is still causing them to be mobilized and getting out and you know, exercising their First Amendment rights to a degree, and you know, trying to impact political change and so on the Christian and conservative side,
the libertarian side, we have to realize that, you know, we can't sit highly by and think that Donald Trump is going to save us or the Republican Party is get to save us. No, it's going to take every single one of us to be activated fifteen minutes a day, whether it's through talking to your neighbors or or you know, spending your dollars with aligned companies. I agree, and that's how we actually save this nation. Yeah, this is all thing. It's going to be from the bottom up. You
know, it's not going to be from the top down. And it's going to be being an awareness that the little things that you do, as you point out, talking to your neighbor, getting them disavowed from this almost a superstitious awe of what artificial intelligences. I've got an email question that was sent to us. It says, do you think that this is from Johnny said? Do you think the AI is as good as it seems? And I've talked about that a little bit you know, what is your assessment of this
as somebody's in cybersecurity, tell us, you know exactly what. I read an article yesterday about a guy he said, I tried to explain this to people, and he said, the way I look at it, he said, it's it's like a matrix, he said, it doesn't even understand a question. You know, it doesn't know that it's getting a question. It just looks at those words and a kind of process that processes that in a language model, and and then it compares that to other matrices and tries to
come up with the best fit. And that's how how it does it. From his explanation, Uh and and so it's a you know, it's it's kind of a different way of programming than most of us are thinking about, like some kind of procedural if then statement is comparing these different massive amounts of data that it's gotten. It's comparing that to what you're asking it to come up with a question. But it's not really thinking, it's not really understanding.
It's just kind of, you know, comparing this stuff and a very very fast rate. Is that in your understanding? Is that correct? Or am I am I wrong? Is there a better way to look at this. How would you describe that? Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair way to describe it. You know, it's based taking a massive amount of data and looking for similar answers that have been rated, you know, highly
by previous users. And so you know, that's how it's It's taking information from past experiences and past responses and then saying, Okay, well, based on this, it's a ninety nine percent match previous question. That person liked it, So I'm going to give that to you. Right, That's a very rudimentary way of thinking it. You know, the scale is massive, but you also have to remember, you know, AI is really in its infancy still, you know, and you think about everything that it can do
today. You know, in some ways, I guess what your your listener was asking, I would ask them in what regards, right, you know, if it's Google Gemini's ability to generate an image off of a prompt, I would say it's an F because I'm not aware of a black pope ever being you know, in charge of the church, or you know, an
African American female being in charge being a founding father. Yeah, so you know, I give them an F. But you know, for for AI's ability to maybe identify underlying health risks and individuals, or being able to help synthesize a large amount of data into simple synopsis. I think that it is
a great tool. Yeah, right, And I think that you have to look at it not just as this one giant kind of instance, but you know, there are different use cases and I think ultimately the folks that are behind it and the ways that it's being implemented because it is just a tool, really help answer that question. I agree. Yeah, when you talk about something like, you know, the the racial misappropriation, I guess we'd
call it of Gemini. That was a wonderful thing for people to see because when you're talking about something that is political, something where they can put in a bias, they put it in and people need to be able to see that. And just one of those pictures is worth a thousand words, but they did thousands of pictures of that kind of nonsense, and I think people that's I think one of the most effective ways to show how they can build
bias into this. Now, when you're talking about something like building a circuit or doing some programming or something like that, they're not trying to build a bias into it yet, and so for those types of things it could be very very useful. And if they didn't put that handpicked bias into some of this other stuff, it might be a lot more useful for those other things.
But people, so warning to people that be careful, use this at your at your own risk, because especially when it comes into anything that is political, they are going to be inserting those biases. They pay people a lot of money to insert those biases, and and and to you know, I guess weight a different set of answers, a different answer matrix or something to push. Yeah, And I'll get to that in a second. But I think I just thought of one great example and how we use AI to
benefit the individual but if they elect to take advantage of it. We have a product called Liberation Campaign, and it's an alternative to mail chimping constant contact for those that don't want to fight their email marketing platform to land in the
inbox. And so we have two different tools, one that looks at a subject line and one that looks at the actual content of your email, and it will say, hey, we know what Gmail is flagging, what their AI is flagging as spam and you know, putting down into the undelivered space or Yahoo and all those kind of things, and it says, hey, here's your score, right, here's how you can improve it to get around Google and Yahoo's and Microsoft's spam filters. And so that I think is a
great example. And you know, it's one of those things it's unbiased. It's here's the data. You can use it, you cannot use it. I've heard from so many people though that are like, I'm hearing back from folks that I haven't heard from in over a decade, wow, or in you know, a year, five years, and so it's amazing that it's reaching their inbox and they're getting you know, forty fifty sixty percent open rates and all that, and they're like, I had no idea that a tool
like this existed. But you know, going back to what you were just saying, it's kind of I mean to say, it's kind of like electronic measures and the encountermeasures and then countercountermeasures. They're going to be a constant back and forth to try to stay on at one step ahead of their censoring algorithms. But that's that's really good. I like the fact that you're doing that because we know that they try to shut down our reach and so many different
places in so many different ways. Yeah, we saw it with the RNC in twenty twenty two selection where their deliverability rates felt to about thirty percent. That means seventy percent of the folks that have signed up to receive their emails aren't getting any sort of information from them. I was speaking with another Christian group and they were just put on notice and pause. They were sending ten million emails a month, almost daily, and they were put on notice.
They weren't given a reason, they were just kind of told terms and conditions, and you know it went into you know, a long review process, and you know you have to look at that and really start to say, okay, well, if these technology companies have a bias and they're using AI which is able to detect flag and you know suspend without any sort of human
intervention, you know, how can that that impact our upcoming election? And you know, you look at Gemini being implemented into the entire Google ecosystem, so your email, your your Microsoft files or excuse me, your Google files, your YouTube, you know, all these different things. Gemini is now integrated as of last week into everything. Wow. Right, and you started to think about it, there's over two billion people that visit that homepage every
single day. Right. You know if they start saying, well, if you're conservative, because we have access to your voting in political registrations, you know, we're gonna make it really hard for you to find your voting precinct. But if you're a Democrat, every time you log onto our homepage, we're going to say you haven't voted. Go vote, Go vote, go vote. Find your location it's right here. Why aren't you doing this? Hey pop up reminder? You're driving by your polling location. You need to
go and do this right now. And you know they can do that. A guy. We just had a guy who got a jail sentence because he did it as a joke. Oh, if you're a Democrat, make sure that you vote on Wednesday or whatever. And there was a black woman. I guess, no problem because of Gemini. There's a black woman who did the same joke in the opposite direction. If you're Republican, don't forget to vote on Wednesday or whatever. They sent him to jail. They gave her
a pass. You know, you mentioned mail Chip, and we started our experience with Mailchip with this show was I know him on the list? We started to put our we got an account, we set the thing up, we started loading in our contact list, and they shut us down even before we were able to do our first email. They shut us down. It's absolutely amazing the amount of censorship that is out there, the amount of profiling and information that is out there already. But yeah, we can't even use
it to get started. Yeah, and then Google and Yahoo implemented new protocols as of February that are going to make it just easier and easier for their ais to flag people and shut them down. You know, the idea that a New York Post article on Hunter Biden could get out in this upcoming election,
you know, no one's going to even see it. It won't even reach the Internet or you know the conservative viewers, right, you know they're going to shut it down with the AI because they have a near one hundred percent success rate if they decide to do something like that. And so you think about it. Back to the twenty twenty election, it was something like fourteen percent of surveyed Democrats said that if they would have known about that story
and about the allocations. They would have never voted for Joe Biden. And so you look at it right there, that one action, that one suppression of a valid information. You know, even though they labeled it misinformation. You know that outcome was decided by Google and Twitter and those folks because those Democrats would not have voted Joe Biden, would not have one and we would,
I think, be in a very different position you know today. Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, your your company is going to really be vital, I think in terms of getting around this because you know, we've had this competition and in the free market what people say on social media was just too damaging for their professional journalists and Everything's why they began the massive censorship, the shadow banning, the canceling, and all the rest of the stuff that
we saw on social media. Yeah, and you know, when you think about social media, like I agreed, there shouldn't be blatant misinformation, right saying go vote on Wednesday when you know your your election day is on Tuesday. That that's not information we need out on the internet. Granted, you know, if someone does that, everyone should be treated equally. There should
be a fair level of judgment on that. But at the same time, you know, a lot of these technology companies are suppressing valid alternative informations, you know, the other side of the coin kind of concept where you know, you saw during COVID, you know, there were Harvard and Stanford rated doctors that were saying or that we're getting completely censored, you know, and they were putting out peer reviewed data and they were just like, no,
that's misinformation. No, that's just an alternative view, and it's alternative opinion. And that's the whole concept that you know, our founding fathers laid out when they wrote the First Amendment, you know, the ability for each and every one of us to hear information and make our own informed decisions. Right,
they're removing that ability for us to think critically, I believe. Yeah, they don't want any debate and they haven't wanted any debate on climate stuffy And we saw the same thing happen again with COVID, So you know, when we look at this, the interesting thing about all this is the fact that they have a monopoly and that they've been granted this the facto monopoly.
But in many ways it's explicit, isn't it. And Now, as I mentioned earlier, we've got sam Altman and a lot of these companies because they do so much data scraping, they use these massive GPUs. That's why you know, this pattern matching has got to be super fast, tremendous power requirements. You've now got these big data companies that are going out to they're creating their own power plants, their own nuclear power plants, because they understand that
our government is trying to shut down power generation. But they're going to be essentially allowed to have I think, a monopoly on power, electrical power, not just political power, and not just a monopoly on speaking. They're actually going to have a monopoly now I think on electrical power generation if they continue to shut down all of our different power stations. Yeah, and it's surely
it's actually a global issue. You know, in twenty twenty one we slid Singapore shut down, Ireland shut down, twenty twenty two, I believe South Africa shut down. You know, there are parts of the United States where they're just saying, you can't build any more data centers because they are unable you know, the local municipalities, the power companies, they're not able to
build power plants fast enough. You know, right now they only account for about fifty or excuse me, like three to five percent of power consumption here in the United States. But the way that they're starting to build these facilities with AI in mind and just larger and larger and more ever consuming kind of concepts. You know, yeah, we're running out of power availability in the grid for new data centers, and so yeah, the Microsoft is talking about
building many miniature nuclear reactors next to their data centers. Yeah, you know, we have some really interesting things that you know, we'll have to come back on and share when it's officially public. But we're kind of going the
opposite way. We're saying we can actually do this more efficiently build and operate data centers, and it's by just looking at it through a slightly different lens, and instead of us having to build giant nuclear reactors, we can actually operate unintentionally a more green operation because we just strip out all the wasteful components of a data center. Yeah. Yeah, it's this brute force aspect of
it. And of course one of the ways they want to sell CBDC is to say, well, we're going to use less power than the crypto stuff. Venezuela is concerned because they're small grid that they've got there. Even though they jumped on the cryptocurrency thing in twenty twenty, they just put out a thing saying that you're not we're banning crypto mining because it uses too much power. Some of these things are viewed by the regime as bad because it's a
competition to their CBDC. Do not use a power for cryptocurrency. But yes, if you want to use it to spy on people. If I wanted to keep a dossier on everybody in store everything that everybody's had, and do it in the desert, that's fine. They can use as much power and water as they want, and if these crypto companies want to do it, will allow them to build whatever kind of power supply plant they want, and you know, we'll give them those kinds of powers and we won't second guess
their power generation plan. I mean, can you imagine the kind of permitting that anybody else would have to go through. But I think they're going to sweep all that stuff away for Sam Altman and their friends and this crony capitalist society. I think, yeah, And you know, it's just a we see the space doubling almost every two and a half years, which blows past you know, traditional economic models which say it should double every five years.
And so you know, we are in this kind of interesting paradox. But at the same time, you know, there has to be a demand for all that compute and all that information that is being generated by these data centers. And so it's simply a matter of fact. You know, if you don't like what's going on, stop giving them your money. It's pretty pretty
simple. They can't build massive data centers if you know, the population is starting to come back and saying, well, we don't want your AI in every single aspect of our lives, so we're going to go and do business elsewhere. Well, then the demand drops off, and then the financing drops off, and then you know, they stop building these data centers. So you saw Amazon actually halt many of their projects over the course of the last
two years because they saw that decrease in demand. And I think it's encouraging for us to look at the amount of impact that we can have when you look get the agenda to replace all internal combustion engines and to ban them, right, and we're going to make everybody drive an EV even though they don't have enough power to drive everything. Right, We have always said that to people. It's like, fine, I don't care what you drive. The
government cares what you drive. And even if you get an EV, they're going to cut down the power grids so you won't be able to drive it, and they'll have you use it as a battery to back them up, that type of thing. But as we look at that, people are saying, well, you know, I've got issues with the range, I've got issues with the expense. I can't really afford the expense. So this people
were just not buying them for whatever reason. And so the marketplace has really in this one area that they have pushed so hard that they have subsidized trillions of dollars, and they have wanted since I was in high school and they had the first Earthday. They want to get rid of the private car, and they've pushed this agenda so much, and yet people have said, no,
we're not going to go any further. And the companies that were on board with all that because they just want to make money, they want to have the favor of the government, and so they were all on board with that, they were realizing that hey, first of all, they're losing money and unbelievable amounts, and it will be the end of the road for Ford and the rest of these Mercedes and the rest of these car companies if they decide that they really want to compete on this ev with China, because China
has been given all adult all the cards in terms of cheap energy, in terms of minerals that they have and Trump people. But you also still have you know, buildings falling over, sitting vacant in China. Just because China is doing it does not mean it's done well or done with a purpose. Right at the end of the day, what you're describing is capitalism one oh one. You know, I do still believe though, you know, diversification
of your power generation and everything like that. You know, if you want to slap a little turbine on your house, great, if you want to put a solar panel on top of your house, great. You know, I think that where it's I think it needs to be made available for the consumer to decide and free will. I don't think, you know, some of the aspects of green agenda are necessarily a bad thing, But I think where it's being. When it's mandated, that's where it completely steps over the
line. That's when it really infringes not only on our liberties, but the concept of capitalism as a whole. You know, diversification is never a bad thing having you know, electric cars for those that it suits them, right, you know, that is their decision. If you know, they just drive five miles up the road every single day and they're just putting it around great and ev is a great option for them, right. You know, it makes more of oil available for my vehicle, right, and more gasoline.
So, you know, I think that diversification is not a bad thing. I don't think that, you know, on many of these issues there has to be a hard left or a hard right, you know. I think that, you know, the capitalistic model will always is rain true, whether it's in technology or automobiles and everything else. And so you know,
that's what we're really trying to do at Liberation is create that diversification. You know, for folks that want to get off of go to Edy, that want to get off of Google Cloud, that want to get off of Gmail and constant contact and Mailchimp. You know, we've built a lot of those everyday tools so that you know, you can make your own decision. You know, if you want the AI spying on your life and making every suggestion for you, great, yeah, but if not, you can come over
to us. That's right. I agree. Yeah. Technology is a tool. It can be used good or bad. And if people got a choice, and if it's not centrally planned and centrally controlled, that's where the danger comes in. As you're pointing out, you know, the China poor construction, the building's falling over. That's part of the the crony capitalism, the central planning and that type of thing, and it's what we see being pushed
towards us in many aspects of our life. They don't want to have that diversifications like well, if you want to have a gas range, no you can't have that. You're going to have only what I say. You know, so we got our government is out there now trying to design things and push an agenda. I agree. You know, if you've got solar panels as to get off of the grid, hey, that's super. It's going to be more expensive do that. But of course, certain things like privacy
and independence are going to come at a cost. And people can make that decision, and we should have access to a lot of different types of technology. It's the governments that want to dictate to us you will have one solution,
and that's the only thing that you'll have. You know, that's what sign Being a former politico, being a former federal employees serving at the White House for four years, you know, you see all the time these folks come in and set unrealistic timelines, and so I think that's really what it is. Right. You know, if if you were a gas news in them and you're saying we're going to do one hundred percent electric in the state of California, then you need to be realistic, Okay by twenty four hundred.
Well that's that's our goal, right, Like setting it out long enough so that you have time to build the infrastructure and everything like that. Saying twenty thirty they can't even finish an interstate in that amount of time, let alone an overhaul of their entire electrical grid. So you know, it's the
initiative is doomed before it even gets launched. That's a good news. The bad news is there's going to be an awful lot of wealth transferred to his pals, which that might be the actual goal and all that stuff anyway, So what can the average American do to protect themselves against this kind of surveillance. You've got some tools that you have there at Liberty. We've got a
lot of great tools. You know, we've got an option if you want to move your website, if you want to get an email with us, if you want to get off of Microsoft Teams or Google Workplace, store your video files, you know, replace zoom. We've got a lot of great tools there, and we've got an alternative to Mailchimp and constant contact to go Daddy and Wix website builder. We've really focused on what does the everyday man need? And you know, where's zero knowledge. So we do not mind
monitor or monetize anyone's information. But it's not just about what we're doing at Liberations. You know, go look at Freedom Chamber of Commerce, Go look at Public Square, go look at Red Balloon. You know, there are all these different ways that you can pick an alternative in your day to day
life. And that's just good market competition. You know, almost being four years in since this movement really started, there are a lot of products and services out there now that are ideologically aligned with you know, the more conservative values, and you know they're better or there I would oftentimes say equal or
sometimes even better than what we see coming out of Silicon Valley. And So if this matters to you, instead of you know, sitting there being upset about, you know, the way that this nation is going and Google spying on you and all of that, take five minutes and sign up for an alternative right, start taking action and control of your life. Start start taking the reins back, and don't let technology companies in the government make those decisions
for you. But if you're happy with it, keep doing what you're doing. That is your own prerogative and decision. If you like being controlled and manipulated, that's fine, But we want to stand here as an alternative that will protect your ideology and your values. Yeah, it's usually it's coming from their angle. It's not that we're dissatisfied. They just don't like me. They shut me down. So I'm really happy that you're putting this type of
thing out there. I think it's very import and I think it's going to increasingly be spreading out to all kinds of people, even people that don't have a program that they do on a regular basis. Years ago, we had George Gilder and he wrote a book Life After Google, and he said, you know, I think this whole model of Google and he called the people in Silicon Valley, called them neo Marxist and he said, you know,
I think their whole business model is flawed. And he said, I think that there's going to be a marketplace for people who don't add privacy on as an afterthought. They don't put it on as a bag on the side. It is fundamental to the way the product is designed. Is that kind of your approach of what you're doing exactly? And you know, what we're really
trying to do is just restore common sense into the marketplace. Right, should we, as a provider be spying and reselling your information without your real consent? Right? Yeah, we all accept the terms and condition, but no one actually realizes what rights we're giving up there. So you know, those things and then they change them and here in the middle of door, you got to check the box and you don't read them. By the time you
would finish it, they would change it all over again. You know, those one hundred and two hundred page documents, and you know, I think that it's right. You know, we're just serving that alternative because you know, they are so big that they can be toppled without you know, much effort. Right. You take Google, They're making over one hundred and fifty
billion dollars annually off of data monetization. Right. If the US government comes in and says, hey, you can't just steal people's data and sell it to anyone anymore, well, they're going to really have to rethink their model, and they might have grown too large to support themselves. And so hypothetically the giant will tumble and it'll come down hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a very dangerous thing that these people putting together, the people
that are pushing artificial intelligence, they're also pushing a universal basic income. They see that as integral to their success, as they see the necessity for having their own nuclear power plant to run their GPUs and stuff like that. And this is something that I've seen. I remember when Bloomberg was running for office, and I talked about this yesterday, So I won't go into detail on it, but he was talking about how, yeah, we have to have
universal basic income. That's when he trashed the farmers and stuff, but he was talking about the agrarian versus the industrial revolution, and he said, now the smart ones of us are trying to take everybody's jobs. And that's exactly what Sam Altman is saying. And you've got in the UK, Jeffrey was
a Jeffrey Hinton. I think they called him the godfather of AI. I had not seen his name before, but he was there doing the same thing in the UK that Sam Altman is doing here, saying we've got to hook universal basic income in here because we were going to be intruding in so many different spaces, that this is the way that we keep society from turning on us. What do you think about that aspect of it, Well, I think that it goes back to the fact that you know, it is another
tool and mechanism of control. Right, It's plain and simple. If we allow for them to continue to take more and more and you know, reduce the diversification in a space or in a market, you know that that's where things get really hairy. And you know the next step, in my assumption would be they just put AI in control of this entire government, right, And I'm sure the Democrats would love that because then they wouldn't have to listen
to Joe Biden stumble through his speeches anymore. But you know, that is kind of the trajectory that they're trying to take us down, where you know, would I be surprised in the next three to five years to hear Democrats calling for AI to run many aspects of the government. No, I wouldn't be surprised that they do it before this election cycle is over. And so, you know, I think that's one thing we have to really be concerned
about. You know, if they say, well, we can have objectivism, you know, you can have an objective judge and a jury, So we just make the AI the judge and the jury, it's like whoa. That's why people need to understand the bias and how easily it can be built in to the artificial intelligence I think, right, because any with the AI, the general information models that we have today there they're just large kind of guidelines, a lot of data, and then the bias that was built into
it by the people that founded and constructed these models. You know, those are biases. The next step is, you know, it becomes a sentient, self aware instance and then we're in terminator land. So you know, you really have to want how far are we willing to go? How much of the genie are we allowing out of the bottle before we start saying, okay, let's take some time reassess this, right. You know, they
want to implement AI so it can replace the workforce. I heard of one company who's massively integrating AI and they're reducing their workforce by about twenty percent annually, so in five years they're going to be down to an absolute skeleton crew.
And then yeah, that universal basic income becomes a requirement because it's now welfare because no one is employed because AI has been integrated strictly for profits into every single business and many of the entry level and mid level jobs have been just completely replaced as a massive wealth transfer. And in order for them to do that, they have to make us dependent on them. And so you're right, it is welfare. And that's the problem with all highs of welfare.
It always is masked as if it were compassion, but it's always ultimately about dependency and creating creating that making people helpless and dependent on the government, and you lose your skills to be able to feed yourself. You know, it's kind of a feeding people by hand, the same way that you would
tame a wild animal. Yeah, you know, and you think about you know, universal basic income, and I would question your listeners to really explain, how does it really different differ from the ideology of Lenin and Stalin's communism where everyone is equal, everyone is taken care of, everyone gets gets you know, money and the profits and rewards of the economy, and so from
that concept, how is it really different? And then remind me again, you know, the USS foul or USSR fell because it ran out of money, because the Oligo took everything consolidated, created a population that could barely afford to feed themselves. Agree, and yeah, it's failed time and time again. You know, slapping lipstick on a pig does not make it a new concept. It's just it's just, you know, the same pieces of history
repeating themselves over and over again, just under a new name. I agree, Yeah, that was part of that was really actually the reason why George Gilder called them the neo Marxist. He said, Karl Marx believed with the Industrial Revolution that they had infinite material capacity. They could manufacture anything that they wanted to, So the only thing that was left was how do we distribute this? Right, that's why you have the redistribution of wealth at the center
of it all. And he said, and that's the conceit of these people in Silicon Valley. They believe that they have unlimited material resources, that they can manufacture anything, and all they have to do is figure out how to reallocate that. But their goal is in order to pass us so they can continue on with their game. And that's the thing that is really different about
it that we hadn't seen in America prior. You know, Henry Ford, with all of his pluses and his minus is one of the things he said was I want to make a car that my people work in the factory can afford to buy. Well, they don't want to have people around, and they're not interested in selling cars to their robots. You know. They just want to get us out of the way, and they will do whatever they
can. And it's interesting because I would ask the tens of thousands of employees that have been laid off by Google, by Tesla, by Amazon, by you know, all these other Silicon Valleys, Now, how do you really feel about that? How's that working out for you? Because now they are beginning to consume their own and so I think that to your point, the
system will fall because it has lost core principles in morals. Yes, and now they are just trying to constantly figure out how they make a greater profit year over year instead of how do you create a great product, a great company that is here to serve your customers and become sustainable, right, and being able to take care of your employees and provide them the lifestyles and the American treat So, you know, I think that it is a disconnection from
the American dream, you know, the principles of the founding fathers and God given liberties. And you know, I think that at the end of the day, just as history has shown us, those systems will always topple. Yes. Yes, and they're anti human, they're anti freedom, they're anti human, and I believe that they will fail as people wake up. Our job is to wake them up. The sooner the better, so at least the amount of damage. Amen. Again, your company is Liberation Tech.
Is that right? T E K. Yeah, It's liberation Our website is liberation Tek, liberationtech dot com. Great, great Yeah, we'll be checking that out because we've been heavily censored here and getting kind of tired of it. I've been tired of it for the last six years that's been going on alone. Yeah, so as wonderful that people are going to use tools to get around these tools of censorship and control. I'm so excited to see what you've got there. Thank you so much, Andrew, Andrew Riddaw is that
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