All right, welcome back, and before we go to our guest, Horace Cooper, who has not just written this book, but of course he's also writes columns. He's a commentator and a constitutional scholar as well. He's got a lot to talk about. I just want to say real quickly to a couple of people who just left tips on Rumble mac or seven, thank you very much, and also on Rumble why j seventy two, So thank you, David. We don't have healthcare, we have sick and deathcare. Yeah,
that's right. That's all they care about is getting a sick and dead. So going to let's talk about the economic issues and how they want to put us all in chains. And the book again is put y'all back in chains. How Joe Biden's policies hurt Black Americans. From commentator and constitutional scholar Horace Cooper, thank you for joining us, mister Cooper. Hey, it's
great to be in the program. Thank you. And I'll just tell listeners are watchers, I should say, because the listeners are just getting the audio anyway. He's he told me he's out in the sticks and he doesn't have the bandwidth for us to do the video so it's a little bit we don't have usually. We've got a guest window up there that we'll show you, but we'll just keep the video feed on me and Travis can put up the book so you guys can see what the book looks like as well. As
we're talking. Tell us a little bit about your book. Who's the target audience? So this is this written just to black people or are they trying to put us all in chains? Now? Actually they are trying to put us all in chains. But the purposes of the book was not to persuade
Black Americans, are to persuade conservative Americans. The purpose of the book is to have a conversation with those individuals, those individuals who think that the best way to help Black America is specifically targeted policies that are separating races and picking racial winners and losers. This phenomenon has had disastrous effects whenever it's been tried, and we're trying it again and it is having similar effects. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. Burgess Owens, a black congressman from I think he's from Utah, talked about how vibrant the middle class was before they started all these welfare programs. And we've heard this from a lot of different people all over the place about how the we would think well intentioned, you know, we're going to give people a hand up, but how it has been really detrimental and counterproductive, hasn't it. Oh absolutely it has. So let me make
sure people understand this. In the past, when we had Jim quote. The President likes to talk about Jim Pro two point zero, But when we had Jim quote. My great uncle, my grandmother's brother, he saved up his money and there was a time excuse me, when many Americans paid cash for their are instead of installment plans. My great uncle wanted to buy a Cadillac, and in nineteen fifty eight he was told that the local dealer would not sell to him because he was black. So everybody understands, oh,
wow, that's awful. Well, here's the thing that they don't understand. My great uncle was committed and he went to Chicago and purchased a Cadillac and then drove it back to Texas. I mentioned this because everyone, I think understands if you're a dealership, you want to sell as many vehicles as you can. A policy or statue or regulation in the South that limited the ability of dealers to sell to blax. Didn't just hurt blax, it also hurt
those dealers. In fact, whether you ran a dry cleaner's, a seamstress shop, a restaurant, far less economic activity was able to occur because the government said, and this is what advocates during Jim Crow said, it was good for America. It was good for whites, it was good for blacks. Does this sound familiar today to progressive say, it's good for America, it's good for whites, it's good for blacks. We're gonna start recruiting airline
pilots on the basis of race, not on the basis of excellence. We're gonna start recruiting officers in the military on the basis of race, not on the basis of excellence. And you pick the area, and what you see is just like in the South, where my great uncle grew up and where i'm it is my heritage, there was less economic activity, i e. More poverty because people weren't free to interact with one another. This is the
same phenomenon that we're seeing Black Americans are beginning to recognize it. Did you say that your uncle was a was an entrepreneur and business for himself. Was that how he got the money? Yeah, he did what we would we would call today. He was a carpenter, is what we might call it today. But he did high end finishing work, trem cabinet making and the like. If you had a banister or something like that that you really wanted to add some value to your home, that's the kind of work he did.
And he was able to save up enough money to get the thing that he absolutely wanted, even though the rule or the law or the statute was you can't do this. Where he lived, you can't know to this less, but you know, one of the stupidest ideas, you can't get in the same swimming pool. Yeah, every economic decision where Jim Crow operated, it limited not just what was possible for Black Americans, it limited what was possible for white Americans. And if you are a seamstress, you're trying to
get as mini dresses in orders as you possibly can. The government arbitrarily places limits on this. And so today we've changed the particular group we are preferring. The new racial litter isn't white America like it wasn't Jim Crow, but it is supposedly Black America, and it has the same harmful effects. That's right. Absolutely, yeah. I think when I think about, uh, you know, the Jim Crow era and segregation, ridget segregation, it always
makes me think an entrepreneurship. It makes me think of the stories about the jitney cabs and how you had the cab company said, we're not going to go in the black areas. We're gonna you know, we got this Jim Crow stuff and segregation, we don't want to go there. And so you had entrepreneurs and the black area said, well, we'll do an informal taxi thing, and so they set up these jitney taxi services, and then the response by the governments in many of these areas was to come up with expensive
taxi medallions. I started talking about this when we talked about the you know, the big competition between taxi drivers, and then Uber and Lyft coming in and they don't have to play by the same rules. And you've got a lot of people who are small business individual business people. A lot of them were immigrants who came in, they took their money, they bought a taxi medallion, and then it becomes obsolete because you got these other people being given
a monopoly, but they shut that down. But it shows the Jitney taxi thing shows a lot of different things. In one of those, it's just how vibran the entrepreneurship was in the black community before they started just handing out money. That's one of the things that it's just so amazing is what a paralyzing effect welfare can be and how they can use that to alter society. And we see that happening all the time every program that Biden is putting out
there. You talk about chains putting it on us. Look at all these different programs where he's going to provide free money for this and free money for that. They're making everybody passive. We saw that in a big way as everybody was locked down and handed some cash in the twenty twenty, right, everybody started getting passive. Well, we don't want to go back to work
anymore. That type of thing. In America, this is a place where if you were willing to lean into work, if you were willing to take a little risk, if you're willing to show some unique creativity, this is the place where all things are possible, except for this caveat this administration does not reward risk. This administration doesn't want to reward hard work. This administration doesn't want a reward effort. And by the way, I don't know about
you. When I grew up my grandmother. I stayed a lot with my grandmother, especially during the summers, and my brother and I were expected to get up win the rooster quote, and that sometimes was around five a m. I'm a morning personnel because of that. But there are lots of people and they go, oh, my gosh, that's hard, that's difficult. So they didn't have a grandmother to help them. Well, we still need to get up early. My grandmother regularly said it's work time, and we
had chores, we had activities. Well, when people look at me, my friends and my colleagues, they say, well, that guy, he's a hard worker. I'm not a workaholic, but I am a person that understands if you want to make something happen, you have to work. The incentives put in place by the Biden administration say exactly the opposite. Don't strive,
don't make the effort. And when you don't strive and you don't make the effort, what you do is lose ground and you lose experience, and you lose opportunities, and all of those things together encourage greater degrees of poverty. That's right, that's right. It always has been a part of the virtue, going back to our Christian heritage. Look at the lazy man, you know, turns like a like a Dornet's hinge, you know, on one side or the other in his bed, doesn't get up, doesn't get
to work. I was talking earlier in the program about Biden's fascination in terms of buying people who have college loans by forgiving their loans. But you put out just recently an OpEd piece for The Hill about the Supreme Court's decision about
affirmative tell us set your take on that, sure. So I point out in this most recent ourped last month, that the Supreme Court consistently, even with a so called liberal majority or a left majority, will not and has not, ruled that it's okay for the government to single people out on the basis of race and give rewards, are to give penalties. What we see in this most recent ruling on affirmative action, a six three ruler that affirmative
action violates this constitutional principle that the government may not do this. Guess what reparations does too. That the Court has in cases involving prisons, involving professors, involving a number of various industries, has reached out since the nineteen sixties
and said government may not pick racial winners and losers. Even the very first affirmative action case, which took place in California, that particular ruling, no majority of justices agreed that just picking people because they're black and giving them an advantage because of past injustice was constitutionally permissible. At no point has the Court ever said this. The left tells Black Americans, and we had this conversation
just moments ago about incentives. What we are going to do is we're going to take the resources that other people have and we're going to give it to you to make up for past mistrus treatment. I will assert, as I do in my book, living as a black person in America is to win the best lottery that has ever existed. Black Americans have more freedom, more liberty, more opportunity by being Americans than any other minority anywhere else on the
planet. Reparation is not just, is not constitutional, and the left teases people with this. I wrote this to make sure that Americans realize if they ever get a popular majority to support reparations, it will be found unconstitutional. Yeah, and it's also going to be impractical to administer the amounts that they're talking about with bankrupt any state California doesn't have the kind of money to put
this out there. It's going, but it is designed. I'm sure it is designed to fail because what it's really designed for is to create racial animusts, to create resentment, and it's designed to create chaos when it's the same type of thing that they're doing in terms of not punishing property crime and stuff
like that in Californias and encouraging this this massive organized theft. It is another form of organized theft with it. But again, you cannot you know, it's going to be a completely just system because you know, how do we determine depending on the color of somebody's skin whether they had even had ancestors one hundred and sixty years ago that were involved in that, or are they a recent immigrant if they're white, or if they're black, As you had Angela
Davis fund out that she had both of her grandfathers were white and where they had an ancestry that went back into slavery, and so she was horrified to find that out. But you are, You're going to find that type of thing. So what does she get from that? Does she get half of the reparations? You're not going to be able to do this from a practical standpoint, so signed to fail. It's just designed to make people angry with
each other. For the longest time, you've had people like Bill Ayres and other Marxists who said, we had class warfare in Europe to further communism. We can't do that in America. Because, as you're talking about, mister Cooper, we had this idea of this understanding, Hey, if I work hard, I can get ahead in America. So we didn't have that kind of class warfare that they could tap into. So they decided they would go
with racial warfare. So they started with a white skinned privilege and things like that. And so now this is just another wrinkle I think that's added to it. It's weaponized chaos, and weaponized race warfare is where they want to have. I think. So starting before the Civil War, the nation's oldest, in fact, the role's oldest political party decided but it was to their
political advantage to weaponize race, and therefore the Democrats refused. Even though our country was founded on the press that all men are created equal, it was to their political advantage that they weaponize race. We had a war more Americans lost their lives than any war that we would ever have. We resolve this, but within forty years of the conclusion of the war, the left decided,
yet again, we must weaponize race for our own political ambitions. The media and academia claims that the primary motivation behind quote racism is some Nazi like idea of the racial superiority of one group or another. I will tell you it's far more simple, simplistic. It will advantage us if we do X. So let's do X. It has been principled parties. The One Political Party started to end the Abolitionist Party started to end slavery, the Republican Party
that throughout its history has consistently upheld this idea. We don't favor one group or disfavor another group because of their race. Rosa Parks wasn't mistreated because she
was arrested for where she wanted to set because of her race. She was mistreated because she's a citizen of these United States, and this should never happen to any citizen today in the twenty first century, run political party, the same one that has been tempted to operate to its political advantage on the basis of race, pushes now a new racism that, if adopted, helps bolster their ability to operate. This is a sickness that we need to call out.
I agree, yeah, we need to start calling out the Democrat Party, of the demagogue party, because that's what this is, just shared demagoguery. I remember years ago, Walter Williams would substitute for Russian and I would hear them when I was driving, and it was a pet peeve of Walter Williams. All of the as you talk about the Supreme Court decision about affirmative action, it was a pet peeve of his. He said, look, I earned this, but because of affirmative action, people assumed that I was
given what I earned in academia. They assumed that I was given that because of affirmative action, because of my skin color. And he goes, and that's a real affront to me. You know, he wanted merit, and he wanted it to mean something. He didn't want set asides. There's so many facets of this that are just absolute wrong, absolutely wrong. Talk a little bit about you, your take on the sixteen nineteen project, what do
you think about that? And critical race theory in general. So I have an entire chapter in the book on how Biden's adoption of the work woke agenda harms Black Americans. A couple of stats. Balafornia has set up a website where you type in your name and your information and potentially it will let you get a predicted outcome of what the reparation's payments might be if you are Michael Jackson's children, when he died was worth more than nine hundred million dollars,
not quite a billion, but nearly nine hundred million dollars. If you were his children, you can go on this website and you come from the most elite of the elite background on planet Earth. Guess what you get? Multiple millions. This progeny hits multiple millions. This is unjust, this is unfair, and as you point out, it divides us. The sixteen nineteen Project starts with a lie about America that but for its reliance on slavery, we would not have America today. That's a lie. It's not true, it
is not supported, and the actual academic community says this isn't supported. Slavery pre existed America. In fact, there's no recorded period of history where slavery did not exist. It is only with the existence of what the Western American European society has there been any pushback on slavery. In fact, it is the West that has imposed no slavery on the whole rest of the world. It is remarkable that this slur about America has been allowed to occur, and
it just further divides us. Yeah, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, I've pointed that out many times in terms of talking about William Wilberforce. He was opposing it. First the trade he was able to shut down, and just before he died they paid for and freed slaves in Jamaica, and so that was his life's work. And he did it because he was a Christian, and that's one of the reasons why this is still being
pushed back. You know, we still have human trafficking, we still have people for being abducted in other countries, and so slavery has always been the human condition in one place or the other. The exception is when it was shut down, and it was shut down for those motivations, because we saw people as created in the image of God, and because we did not want to traffic and humanity, and so those are the things that, as you
point out, are unique to what has happened. It's been pointed out that even the term slave comes from slav And because they were the ones who are most frequently in slave going back to the Roman Empire. So a lot of people have said, hey, I want to get my reparations from Italy because I was descended from Slavic people or something like that. I mean, it never ends when you go through this, and like I said that, it was never it was never intended to be resolved. It's impossible to be resolved.
We don't have the money, we don't have the genealogy to resolve this. And you've got a lot of the people who are pushing this, like Kamala Harris. I call her La La Harris because she's kind of be in La La land. But even you know, she does this and her father brags about how they owned slaves in the Caribbean, you know, and then her mother is from India. So what do you what do you do about that type of thing? It truly is just designed to create friction, chaos,
and unrest, isn't it. It does now AP ORCAP norc. They do a survey of Americans. They typically people pay attention to it when we talk about the presidential horse race, but they do a survey every couple every
six months or so about just America in general. And in the spring when they did their survey, they asked specifically a subset of Black Americans or a group of minorities questions, and they were surprised to see that significant majorities of minority or black Americans did not agree with the overall idea that the left pushes. They did not agree that structural racism explains the outcome of what happens in the country today. In fact sixty one to thirty nine. They think hard
work and effort make more of a difference. Quick point LGBTQ has been the rage for the left. In this survey, nearly seven seventy five percent of blacks and other minorities think it should be a qull to allow your six, seven or eight year old child to be mutilated and turned into agender other than the one that they have that is far higher than the results of America generally.
But it points out that Black America and other minorities are not following Kamala Harris and the agenda that she puts forward and that of the other wokesters. They don't buy them. They don't find them persuasive. I agree, and a chorus. If they buy into this racial thing, they're going to find as a bait and switch and guess what the next preferred group is going to be A just point out LGBT, and that's not something that's supported by black
people or by white people in the majority. Talk a little bit about the unemployment gap that has grown, as you point out in your boockets, grown under Biden. So in my first book, How Trump Is Making Black America Great Again, I talked about the policies that Trump adopted that mirror those of the Coolidge years in the nineteen twenties. Historians call the twenties the Roaring twenties. What people don't realize is Black American men were more likely to be employed
than any other group in America. I'll say that again. Black men during the twenties were more likely to be employed than any other Americans, Black men were the least likely to be in federal prison. Black children were more likely to be born in intact two parent household then the population at large. All of that got destroyed by a change in the incidentive structure where the government encourages you to marry it a woman to marry the government rather than her children.
Oh, that's a great way to get it. I love that. Encourage the black woman to marry the government instead of a man. Is that really does hit to the key part of this welfare program and really to the destruction of the family. I think you nailed it right there. Well, government is not a good father. Government does not provide great housing, doesn't provide great healthcare, doesn't provide great education. Government is probably the worst, worst
than an alcoholic father would be for children. But during the twelve years, all of a sudden, the gap between whites and blacks narrowed, and we saw more progress, a greater increase in black unemployment during his presidency than we had seen in seventy five years, even greater than the progress that happened in black America during the Reagan years. Now let's turn to the Biden years. That gap is widening again. More Black Americans in the Trump years went on
their first summer vacation. People forget that. When Obama was president, the economy's management was so abysmal, we made up a new term. It was called staycation. I'm broke, but I've got time off, but I can't afford to go anywhere. Swit a staycasion. We set records for the first blacks families that went on summer vacation. We set records for the number of Black Americans that for Thanksgiving flew a drove to see m guess what we are
doing the opposite. Now, few were Black Americans in the workforce, higher unemployment among Black Americans. Few were Black Americans getting their first pickup truck. In fact, the repo man is setting a record. Joe Biden tells me, the economy is wonderful. Black Americans beg to differ, just like many other Americans that have to look out and see if their vehicle is still there because the repo man has come to get it. That's what happens in a
shrinking, terribly managed economy. Not a new vehicle, but the vehicle you have. And Bloomberg says that in July of twenty twenty three, the average age of a vehicle on the highways today is older than leaves seen in twenty years. Oh yeah, in just two years we managed to achieve this, that's right. Yeah, And they're gonna get older if we can keep him running, because he's gonna band the ones that really work and try to put everything on the grid as he shuts down the grid. It's truly amazing.
Yeah, take good care of your cars right now, because you're not gonna be able to find a new one to buy, because they're gonna stop manufacturing because of the bands. But on him, you talk a little bit about Cornell West and some of your articles here, I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of mainstream left wing press very concerned about a third party run
by Cornell West and how it would damage Biden. Why is that? Why is he getting a traction with the black community, So Joe Biden versus Barack Obama, Barack Obama got to get credit for being four blacks without having to
say was for blacks. The Biden administration has tried as hard as it can to hide from the American people that it is quote pro black, as you might imagine Americans don't want there to be racial winners and losers, so he's come up with convoluted programs such as this student loan bell out effort that he says to blacks is going to be a huge benefit because this is something the
government owes you. Black Americans are far less likely to go to college than the population at large, so you're already not favoring blacks if you have a program like this. When you talk about alternatives to Joe Biden, what you hear are those voices in a case of a black professor by the name of Cornel West. I'm black, and you can trust that I'll be looking after
Black Americans. The black vote, as I mentioned in my book, is the key constituency for the Democrats. But I also mentioned this that this is why I mentioned the ap NORC report. Black Americans voted and selected Joe Biden among all those other dwarves running in twenty twenty because they perceived him to be the most moderate. Amazing to find out that he isn't the most moderate. In fact, not much different between him and Bernie Senders. And still there
has been no improvement in the lives of black America. The we're not happy with you, Biden vote is growing, and we like a candidate who will unabashedly represent us and not do so in a shamed fashion. Last Born, I'm making the book. The magic number is eighty five percent. Democrats must get eighty five percent of the Black vote in order to remain viable. Ninety four percent of the vote in two thousand eight voted against John McCain and the
Democrat and the Republicans. Every election since two thousand and eight, that number has shrinked, and in fact, in twenty twenty two, that number was eighteen percent of Black Americans. Excuse me, fourteen percent, not eighteen percent. Fourteen percent of Black Americans did not though for the Democrats, and that
single handedly changed the House of Representatives. Make up. If you don't get the eighty five percent in twenty twenty four, you put a state like New Jersey in play, You put a state like Illinois in play, and you sweep away Pennsylvania. They absolutely need a minimum of eighty five percent, But every year since two thousand and eight that margin has shrank, and they're worried. They're right to be worried. What they don't understand is they absolutely must
come back to the center. Unless they do that, their prospects electorally are highly restricted. Yes, it is interesting to see what will happen. And of course Biden thinks that it still thinks that that does. His strength the black community is one of the reasons why he moved having on Earth to try to get South Carolina moved up for the Democrats in terms of primaries before Iowa and New Hampshire. It'll be interesting to see what happens there because he doesn't
have any competition really within the Democrat Party except for RFK Junior. I don't know how how he's going to poll with black people, but I imagine that, you know, if Biden is able to win in South Carolina the primary, then he will use that as a sign that he has supported by the black community. How is RFK Junior doing in the polls with blacks? Are
you aware of how he has viewed so? Mister Kennedy has not been going in particular to urban constituencies, but interestingly, Cornel West is doing far better with the black vote than Joe Biden art Mister Kennedy, however, when black Americans are asked, would you vote for mister Kennedy, they're not showing numbers that say they don't refuse to do so. Right now, mister Trump is not popular with Black Americans, except for this, some fifteen to twenty percent
of Black Americans say they will consider him as a candidate. That number gets you passed the eighty five percent, and so you wouldn't need to get a majority of the black vote. You just need a critical number. Whether it's mister Kennedy, whether it's mister West. Mister Biden finds himself in trouble. And this is why they're working to stop Cornell West from getting on the ballot.
They recently ran a poll in Michigan, and in Michigan with Cornell West on the ballot, Donald Trump handily, well handily, like two to three points wins the state of Michigan. Well, he carry Michigan. It is going to be really hard for Jill Biden to figure out how to win around that. Now, Cornell West is a pretty radical Marxist professor. Uh, what is he going to run as a Green candidate? What is his idea? That? Of course, that's going to be the real issue, and
that is ballad access. They've made it very difficult for any independent of third party candidates to get on outside of the Republicans and Democrats. What from a practical standpoint, what is what is Cornell West talking about besides race? And what is he running as an independent or as part of some third party? Well, I'm not really the expert on mister West. I will just tell you all the talk in Washington when I was just there last month was that
he's likely to run as the Green candidate. And all you have to do to get on the ballot in most states, not every, but in most states is to have been on the ballot in prior elections. And the Green candidates have been on the ballot in about forty three states over the last two elections, so you get a lot of those, and Michigan is one of those states where that Green candidate already gets to hold a spot. He's a Marxist, yeah, because he speaks unabashedly about how he's going to help blacks.
There are going to be some blacks that want to support him. They're not the majority, but that's a critical constituency that Joe Biden needs to keep. And the other blacks who say, wait a second, I had this period where my nephew or my and son moved out and got his own apartment. He's back. You know. My old boss, Dick Army said, the American dream isn't to own your own home. It's to get your kids out of it under Joe. Under Joe Biden's policies, but we have more
intergenerational living arrangements than we've seen again in twenty years. These consequences are fairly significant. That's interesting. It's interesting that you used to work for Dick Army as well. I want to contest with Freedom Works, and when Dick Army was running it, and I got to Karen and I got to go up to Chicago when we won that contest. That's a that's a great quote from Dick Army. It's really funny. But yeah, it is is as interesting
to see how this is going to happen. As you point out, the ballot thing is very different from state to state. Some of them it's going to be grandfathered and others it's gonna be pretty impossible. But he doesn't have to get on the ballot in all fifty states to have a big impact against Joe Biden. As you point out, just taking away you know, the fifteen magic fifteen percent number of the black vote would be crippling to Biden in
a general election. So that's interesting to look at. You talk a bit about. Sorry, go ahead. It's one thing. The center's effect that our president has is very much like the sinister effect that Barack Obama had, no matter what you think. And I was not a fan of the takeover of our healthcare system. I was not a fan of though you did not build that mindset, the taxes, all of those things I'm not a fan
of. But I thought America at least can say, if you want to be president of the most powerful country, most influential country on planetor and perhaps throughout recorded history, it doesn't matter whether you're black, white, or brown. Our president could have been appealing to second graders, fifth graders, high schoolers and saying to them, look at me in America, if you work,
if you strive, you can do it. You know what he did instead, if he downgraded America. He said, America isn't fair, America isn't trying to give you a shot. So even though we could see with our eyes what was possible with America, he told us that simply wasn't true. Miss Biden's policies do the same thing. My grandmother, thankfully hadn't not lived during the period of the presidencies of these two men, and she told me way back in the seventies, you gotta work harder, you gotta work
smarter, you gotta apply yourself. There is nothing that can hold you back. My grandmother and my mother, my grandparents had a house that I can see out my window right now. They had nine kids with two bedrooms, one bathroom. Out of those nine kids, four of them ended up with advanced graduate degrees, seven of them graduated from college, and all of them
ended up being productive members of society. That's because my grandfather and my grandmother said, America is a place where if you apply yourself, if you make the effort, you can achieved. Mister Biden's policies do exactly the opposite. I remember a world where my grandmother, as a child, she knew that things weren't always fair, she knew that things weren't always just, but she believed her effort made all the difference in the world. I'm in high school.
She takes her savings and she buys a house next to the house that I can see out my window that she paid cash for because that was to be her retirement home. Again, my great uncle paid cash for a car in the nineteen fifties, heaters nineteen seventy nine, and my grandmother is paying cash for her knew as she called it, her brick home. There is a world of difference between being taught that if you make the effort, if you strive, that in America, you can achieve amazing things, versus a
world where presidents tell us America's not fair, America's unjust. Here, I'm gonna give a little trinket here, I'm gonna give a little payment there, and it'll all be fine. That is a world in which black kids are overwhelmingly graduating not able to read the diplomas that they're handed on that day. That is a world or black kids, who fought for the right to be able to attend any school regardless of their race, are increasingly simply not equipped
to succeed in school. That is a world where Black Americans are unemployed at a higher rate than the population at large. And that is a world where three quarters of black children are borne outside of Woodlock. We can change this, but we absolutely must walk away from policies that say we as a society
meet policies that pick racial winners and losers. I absolutely agree. And of course, you know, the same destruction that you've seen to the black community in terms of you know, the welfare program and all the rest of these things, we're now seeing that being spread out to everybody. Should point out at the very beginning, you know, your book is not just to black people, it is to everyone, because they're going to use these same they're
using are using right now with d EI. They're using these same types of things to give people a sense of entitlement, to take them away from reality as well as from merit. So you know, they're they're setting up this trap for everyone. And of course the endgame of this is a universal basic income and smart cities. But they're doing this to all different groups, and so that's why it's key for people to see the history of this and understand
the implication of these policies because they're doing this to everybody. They want all of us, y'all to be slaves, that they want you all to be slaves regardless, and they're going to use these same tactics that are tried and true as to what they've done to the black family, because already we see legitimacy going up across the board and all the same problems that they inculcated with
their government as the father of the family and so forth. All of these things that they put in that's now being transferred to everyone across the board, regardless of demographics. Yeah. So I often remind people in presentations Black Americans are the canary in the coal money. Yeah, odious experiments which have been destructive are not just going to be kept targeted at Blacks. They're coming for you. The same disincentives that harm Blacks are going to be targeted to every
group. Look at the Affirmative Action ruling. Asian Americans brought this to They brought this litigation for it. My organization Project twenty one submitted an amicus brief urging the Supreme Court to do exactly what it ended up doing. I promise you that Asian Americans, which today embody the effort of striving, making achieving through hard work and sacrifice, but targeted. We must get you to disengage. White America is being targeted by the progressives to be the targeted to the
group that's hated to be the group that's resented. They will not stop, however, until every growth in America is equal, equally poor, yes, equally educated, equally suffering. That's the goal. And it is not a oh wow, this is a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy. The end result of autocratic control is misery for everyone. This isn't something unique. Everywhere it's been tried, this has occurred. I repeat what I said at the
beginning of this interview. Programs that attempt to favor specifically one racial group ends up hurting us all. How about a program or policy that simply says work harder, be smarter, get the benefit of the risk you take. That
would help every American. That's right, Yeah, you know it's a even going back to the time of Jeffrey and other people, this is not a new philosophy of people appealing to one particular group of ethnic group or whatever and appealing to them and saying, you know, if we tear down the society, I'm going to put you at the top of society. At the time
of Jefferson, they called these people levelers. Now they have called themselves socialists because or communists because oh it sounds scientific or educated what you know, but they're levelers. I think a leveler is a better description of what these people want to do to our society. As you point out, they want everybody equal. They want everybody equal where you own nothing and you have nothing and
you have no way to get out of this slavery. And I think a good example of this and how this is escalator, Missus Cooper, is how you look at the direct attacks now on the family. You know, they made the attacks as we can see the end result. Whether that was their design or not, we can argue about that. But regardless of whether that was their design, the welfare state attacked the family. But now they are directly attacking the family through the d e I, through the LGBT, through
the educational institutions. That is directly the target. And of course we know that they want to be the only thing that anybody is attached to. You know, the family must be the state, and the state must replace the family. I think that is really where we're headed. What do you think, Well, it's no surprise that BLM, the one of the biggest grifter organizations in America, on their website that the destruction of the nuclear family was
one of their stated objectives. You see, it turns out the way our later made us. Those that we create ourselves, the children that we bring forth, we feel a duty, in natural and innate duty to protect them, to prevent them from being harmed, to feed them, clothe them. We do that better than the Department of Education. We do that better than HHS. In fact, look at go to Detroit, go to Philadelphia, go to Chicago, and see where the gun I agree, Yeah, do
we lose him? Sorry it cut out for a moment there. I thought we'd lost you. But before we end the interview here, I just want to comment from a listener on Rumble and thank you for the tip, Katiana. She says reparations would also apply to the deaf community, who were oppressed by Alexander Graham Bell, who lobbied for legislation to ban sign language and forced them to read lips and speak. I mean, we've had situations again.
You know, when you look at propagating injustice, it never ends. Everybody's got a grievance about something. But this is really weaponized social engineering, without a doubt, and it's a new level that they have taken this too. And before you go, let's talk a little bit. We've got about only about three minutes. Tell us a little bit about Project twenty one. You were the chairman of that, and I didn't mention that at the very beginning
of the interview. You've also taught constitutional law at George Mason University, and you were a senior counselor to House Majority Leader Dick Army, as you pointed out there. But tell us a little bit about Project twenty one. The Project twenty one is a group of the membership group made up of Black Americans who come from that vibrant portion of Black America that has existed since the slavery
period. There's always been this robust argument do we need more government or do we need more self started activity and community that used to be the majority of Black America. It is still know a good thirty five to forty five percent of Black America. We promote strong family, we promote hard work. We believe that we need more self government and that includes the freedom of individuals to
make choices about themselves. If you think that the world is bigoted, and if you think that the world is racist, there used to be a very very vibrant argument that said, Okay, then you should be the best mechanic that you could possibly be, because that will overcome people's bigotry and hostility towards you. The left says, don't try, don't even make the effort.
The other point that we have is that we make sure that we are in the media so that this mindset that actually is very vibrant within Black America gets a chance to speak out. And so most of our members are asked to regularly show up at community settings and share the kinds of views. We don't give them talking points, to share the kinds of views that have always existed within Black America, asking people to remember, you got set free, and
freedom comes with it many, many amazing opportunities. Let's not ever forget that. Oh yeah, that's very important. As a matter of fact, you want to look at this when we were talking about the focus on the black community by people like Bill Airs, a white elitist, if ever the was somebody, the Marxists have focused on the black community because they feel like they're
going to be their useful tools to overcome the society. And just as we saw them, you know, they would never push in Europe start your own business and try to have upward economic mobility. They put out that same message of despair to the black community today, and so it's so good to hear you putting out exactly the opposite, Horace Cooper, and he is besides all these other things, he is the author of the book that they want to put y'all in chains. Thank you so much. The David Night Show is
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