The two volume book and here's what it looks like. You've seen this before and different colors, but it has sold as a collected set and you find this at Civil Defense manual dot com. Excellent set of books that covers everything in terms of power, food, medical preparedness, as well as defending your area and what you can do in working as a community with other people. Very important to have this. He's got a lot of experience doing this.
He's retired military and he has seen action in Zimbabwe and when it was Rhodesia. And he has a lot of chapters that are written by special ops specialist in their particular area, whether it is about power, communication. We've talked to him in the past about some of these some of these aspects of it. You can go to the website Civil Defensemanual dot com and you can see the chapter that he has on water, for example, which is very important.
That is the most important thing. But he also has a couple of others there. We've talked about nuclear preparedness and the risk that people have. He's got experience with that in the military, and so you can see that chapter as well for free. I think if you see those chapters you're going to realize how in depth this is and it is. He only puts it out as a he doesn't have an electronic version of it. He only has
it in print. Because what happens when the power goes down, and you're really going to need this because when the power goes down, we're going to very rapidly descend into anarchy. As I said the other day, if you have some kind of a cyber attack or EMP, it is going to only take a couple of days before everybody starts trying to cannibalize what other people have
and it's going to descend into chaos very rapidly. So joining us now is a Jack Lawson always great to have you on, Jack, thanks for joining us. Yes, David, can you hear me? Yeah? Got you sound good? Good and clear? Good. I never trust my technical capability when it comes to this type of thing, but it's always good to be in your show, David, and good hear you way well, it's good
to hear your voice. And of course you're doing this a little bit differently than you have in the past, because in the past we've always done it by phone, and so it's a little bit better connection. But we had a little bit of you know, since it's the first time doing this. You know, I've been talking last the last couple of days. I mentioned when they were talking about cybersecurity and the grid and the vulnerability of the grid. I said, you know, I've talked in the past to Jack Lawson
about EMP. We talked about how easy that would be. But I think it's even easier if you've got somebody that is going to take down the grid with a cyber attack. We've seen that done over and over again, usually by just taking down They shut down the Colonial pipeline by doing putting a ransomware attack on their accounting system and they got them to shut everything down. I believe that all the traffic was grounded. Earlier this year when there was a
the no TAM system went out. I think that that was a hack. They won't admit that it was a hack, but it was out for about twelve hours and they shut all traffic down to an extent that hadn't done since nine to eleven. And then as soon as that was finished in the United States, the no TAM system went down in Canada. So it's obviously not some kind of a local iceed failure, and that one came back faster,
only about an hour and a half. But again, when you look at that type of thing, it's very easy for somebody to do it for ransomware, it's easy for a hostile for nation to do it, and it's even easy for our own government to do it as a false flag attack. So if we lose the power grid over something like that, why does this play out in terms of how long does it take for every thing really to send into anarchy and what do you do about it? I really believe it would
not take very long. Number One, you said a word that always strikes me earlier, you said the word cannibalized other people's possessions. I think that we are so borderline with our supply system that actual word of people eating other people, as grotesque as that may sound, is very probable. I have through writing this book, I've met a lot of very important people, very knowledgeable people, more than important, and along with this, almost every one
of them says zero to ninety days of we cannibalism in this country. That's a concept that's hard for people to understand. It's repulsive to me. That's where I draw a line this when you step over that, you're no longer a member of the human race as far as I'm concerned. But let's go back to one thing you talk about. EMP. Electromagnetic pulse event is usually
a generated by nuclear weapon that's set way up in the atmosphere. It's set off an area of the planet, and through that pulse that's sent out from that destroys electronics. Any semiconductor, any type of transistor, semiconductor would be ruined. I don't see that as probable as I do see what doctor Eric Whedell, a friend of mine who owns a company called Amarus, and he deals specifically, He's been doing his entire life. He's written a book about
it. He deals specifically with grid down situations and redundancy and backup. And his belief is this that there's a very very strong probability along with all of we don't know who is in this country. It just astounds me to see forty fifty people standing in a line that are Chinese and they're all military aged people. Yeah, no women, no children, no protection at all.
And that's the amazing thing. You know, we look at this debate that I was talking about earlier in the Congress and it's like, well, we're not going to give you any money for Ukraine unless you fix the border. You know, we really literally have an invasion, as you pointed out,
a lot of military aged people coming from China and everywhere on Earth. And of course they don't have to do something like this very provocative like exploding an MP which they could easily trace that back to whichever country that had fired that and annihilate it. But they could easily go in and sabotage, and we
see that as a real possibility. And of course the other part of this is that we have this slow system of sabotage that is being put out by our own government in the name of climate, where they are putting everybody on getting rid of anything that is not electric, all the cars, all the appliances, everything must be electric. And then they're shutting the grid down at
the same time, so they're gradually killing it. That's why I say, at some point in time, I wouldn't be surprised that they just pulled an event and pulled the whole thing down. But there's also the people who are coming in a should point out that David, I believe this. I believe that there has been. There's been a couple of events where transformers at power generation stations have had hole shot in the bottom of them with it doesn't take
much, but the AKM round seven six two thirty nine. Most of the military production that has a steel core in it that will go through the steel of a transformer that is filled with oil that is used to jump the electric power voltage up to where it allows it to be transmitted for a number of miles before it's done again. I think that we've had derailments. I think
that the federal government is hiding this from us. They're definitely afraid that somebody's going to get in, shut the border down, gather these people up and send them back to where they came. It astounds me. I lived in a country where there was infrastructure damage like this, formerly called Rhodesia now Zimbabwe. During the time I was there, there were attacks on the fuel tank farms that were devastating. It took every fire truck in Rhodesia, and the
South Africans send hundreds of trucks up just to contain this fire. That that entire instant was the result of two terrorists with an RPG rocket launcher, hijacking a taxi, standing on top of it and firing a rocket into the fuel tank five hundred thousand gallons of aviation fuel. It took ten days to put out. Wow, it was in danger of setting their entire rest of the tank from up. There is so much infrastructure that could be damaged with simple,
simple methods. You don't need a rocket launcher. You can design. There's all kinds of things that can be done. And I think that this has been going on for some time. Well and when you look at okay, so that's a fuel depot, you hit that, it blows up to your point. It takes ten days to put that one out and could have set everything off. But we also look at, you know, as they're
going to renewables, you know around here in this area. We got the TVA, the Tennessee Valley Authority, and they are mandating and scentivizing and paying for people to put in what they call battery energy storage sites. And that is a massive lithium battery site. And that is a gigantic fire waiting to happen. It could even happen on its own. We've already had one of them that was set up in Australia that Tesla put in there. They're mega
battery thing that caught on fire. But if you were to sabotage that, they'd be pretty easy to sabotage as well, because we know that we've had electric cars that have run over something on the road and it penetrated the battery and it caused the whole thing to combust very quickly. And so if you were starting to shoot those things, you know, deliberately trying to destroy them, they'd be pretty easy to destroy too, just like a big fuel depot.
Absolutely, the guy that wrote the underground shelter portion of the Civil Defense Manual, he is probably one of the best exports on underground shelters. He refuses to put a lithium battery in. He said, they are fire waiting to happen. Yes, now, there's all kinds of dangers, but there's no point in paying to increase your danger level, you know, as and I'm not putting must down, and I was saying, I think the lithium battery at this point is probably one of the most efficient. It is kind
of like a hand grenade. Though, if you it's one of the best batteries to give you a slow power charge as you needed, but if you shorten the terminals together, it's like pulling the pin in the hand grenade. It doesn't it doesn't like that surge of power. I remember a few years ago when the Samsung came out with a phone that had a lot of these issues, and you know, they were catching fire and injuring people. Fable
fold, Yeah, exactly, And so what have we done. We've gone from the phone to the to the electric scooters in New York and they've had a lot of They've had a massive number of fires up there, a lot of people that have died from that as well, because they would park these these electric scooters in the lobby of the building in New York and start charging him, and they would they would burn up that way. So we go from the car, from the cell phone to a laptop, to a scooter,
to a car to a bus. We've had buses that spontaneously combusted in Europe in many cases. In Munich, I think it was Munich or Stute Guard, but I think it was Munich. We're burned down an entire station of these things. And in France they had him spontaneously combusting and and you know, and took him off the market, and Canada they went back and changed them back to diesel, so, you know, but that's a that's
a bus. And so then from there they want to go to a semi trailer, and then from a semi trailer they want to go to a backup energy system for the grid. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger, and yet they still have that flammability issue. So that is something that is that people. Well, let me ask you this. When he says he's not going to use he's underground storage and things like, he said, I'm not going to use a lithium battery. What does he use for story? He
does. He uses a simple lead acid forkliff battery. They're they're one third the price of a Tesla firewall. And there's some issues with him because batteries when they regenerate cause hydrogen emissions. So you have a flammability issue, but that is way overrated. If you have some venting, you don't really have a problem with it. But he just refuses to deal with the litium batteries.
He's built seventeen million dollar shelters and he's had arguments with some of these tech people that the one that he built was a he won't tell me who, and I can't ask him, but it was somebody fairly well known, and they ended up going around him and putting in what he told them not to put in. I don't know if they've had any problems or not from
that, but their capability to generate power. They had a I don't know how many horsepower caterpillar tractor, a diesel generator, but they had enough few to last him for forty eight hours. So he said, when this was done, where's your where's your field truck gonna come from? And you know, they don't think that stuff through, and uh, you know, he was pretty disgusted. Kind of they paid him, he built a big complex for him, but he, uh, he just gets very disgusted with some
of these people. Some of these people's egos, they're a legend in their own mind. You know, they think they're God themselves. You know, so you know, pretty hard to talk to those people. But they did, they did do a lot of things that he told them to do. But but going back to this EMP thing, I think we're kind of in a state of limbo. Everybody thought World War three was going to start, I personally believed that most of the Arab States would like to see Hamas.
I don't want to get into politics, but I I think they want to see them eradicated. They're they're kind of they're kind of the orphan child. Nobody wants them. I find it amazing that there was three point five billion dollars in oil and natural gas that was discovered in nineteen ninety nine by British Petroleum in the Gaza Strip, and I think that's one coincidental issue for them
going in there and taking over. They will not let so Hamas just didn't dig their tunnels deep enough, right, Yeah, really, strike oil. We're going to have them flooded with seawater now. But yeah, so what with the hoodies. They're the ones who are shooting drones that shipping lanes and that type of thing, and possibly some of the American ships there. But you know, the so far, the American I think is an Aegus class
destroyer has taken out a bunch of those. But other than that, as you point out, there's not real any coordinated movement by any other groups outside of Hamas except for the hoodies who are shooting stuff at people. Yeah, I think they're keeping this somewhat under control. As far as the expansion of it. I don't think the Saudi Arabians or the Turks want to go to war over this. But this death hole. I mean, you talk about
fifteen hundred Israelis that were killed by Hamas on October seventh or thereabouts. Quite a number of them were killed by their own apache attack helicopters. They were shooting anything that was moving on the ground. But now there's something like fifteen to sixteen thousand Gaussians have been killed, up to a third of them children. I think this is rattling a lot of cages. So I don't think it takes much to set things up. But it seems like we're kind of
in. Everybody was looking at all, we're going to have World War three. Well, you had some you know, some rockets that were shot by hesbo Law and people were saying, well, you know, maybe Hesbola, maybe Lebanon, maybe Iran is going to do something. But so far then has been except for right at the very beginning, it's been kind of quiet.
Well, I laugh at I've seen a lot of explosions, and I've seen the aftermath of a lot of explosions and five hundred people being killed by one rocket that was not a hesbola rocket to take a building down, and most of them are probably masonry or concrete. They're heavy. They're not a wooden structure that the sides will blow out of easily. That absorbs a lot of the blast and directs it upward. To have five hundred people killed makes
me question where that explosive device came from. And the longest shortest the thing is, I think this is controlled. But if we get into a situation which it could escalate into a World War iie situation you well see in m EMP. But before that, I think what we we'll see in the next couple of years, we're going to start seeing grid outages and whether we're told the truth of where they're coming from or not. What was it the med
the one in California. They proved that there were two trained marksmen and one spotter. That's usually the makeup of a tactical swat team's sniper unit or a military sniper unit. You've either got one spotterer and one rifleman, or you can have a couple of riflemen. But they systematically shot holes in the bottom. I think it was a test run. Matt Bracken comes out and says
that. He says it was a test run. And there's a funny department Homeland Defense investigated this, but they don't say much, so you know, it's like everything else, they don't say. It must be classified. Yeah, yeah, we're not allowed to know that. And of course, you know they would look bad if they were not protecting our border, but of course everybody understands that they're not doing that. I think you're right, and I think, you know, even if we don't have so, you know,
you look at Ukraine that is failing miserably. Things have not even though they're escalating somewhat in China, even if we don't have a full out war with China or something like that. As you point out, these groups that are coming in could be engaging in constant harassment, sabotage or something like that just to push back against the United States. You don't necessarily have to have
a full on war for them to start messing with the grid. No, it doesn't take much of anything, and I think that's what we're going to see. The explanation will probably be infrastructure failure. But I think what it's going to be a sabotage. I think they're it's impossible that there are not military intelligence in this country along with all of these able bodied people. I think they're military. I think they're the Chinese form of their CIA and FBI.
I'm sure they've got people in here and they know where things are and they know how to damage it and it wouldn't take much. Yeah, oh yeah, I agree. So you know we talked about that, you've got two different volumes here, and you've got all together between the two, you've
got forty four different chapters, and so it's extensive amount of information. As said before, somebody wants to see what is typical of it, they can go to your site, Civil Defensemanual dot com and they can see a free chapter there on both water as well as nuclear threats and how to prepare for
those two types of things. But in each one of these volumes you have an extensive list as well in the back in terms of talking about food requirements for people, different ways that you can use, different things that you can use to protect from gunshots and that type of thing in terms of body armor, but also the types of penetration that we're just talking about and what you can do to shield against that. But it's just a wealth of information that
you've got there. Talk to us a little bit about in medical things like dental care. You know, what do you do with dental care when everything has been shut down? Give us a pick a topic and give us some idea of something that we can prepare for today. I go back to my prime directive. My prime directive is this store food and water. I know you always advocated at David. I cannot emphasize enough. I guess I feel like an insurance salesman. I'm trying to get people to ensure their survival and
that of their children. I pound on my family about this all the time. I'm after them all the time on it. I spent a lot of money preparing them, and generally I think they're probably pretty much in the preparation stage to where they could last for a while. But I think people have got to have at least ten days of water and three weeks of food. More water if you can, but also life sustaining medicines. I mean,
I'm going back to what I feel like. I sometimes feel like I'm a farmer, that's been plowing, killed a horse and I've beat them to get up to pull of blows more. You know, I feel like this is something that people cannot really fathom. We live in such an abundant society here.
I've been through not eating. I've been through, on top of not having water, doing a fourth March for two days in deep dark Africa, and I know what it's like to become just about going out of your mind from first and people have to look at one of the most critical things. You turn a tap on and water comes out, and it's pottable water. It's drinkable, it's safe to drink generally speaking. But people need to do
this there. I have all kinds of things in this book, and I put some of this on a website free because I want to like the water treatment, I want people to be able to get that. Now. If they don't have my book, go to my website, Civil Defensemanual dot com, read the blogs and read the sample chapters I have there. I mean, here's your Navy seal officer. Matt Bracken is one of the most fantastic authors. He actually got me started. He's my mentor. He put a
whole chapter in a night fighting. Now, who's going to go night fight? You may at some point, if things get bad enough, have to be protective of your property when there's no moonlight, no street lights. And to do that, he tells you how to do it without all this expensive night vision and infraretic And this, to me is one of the critical aspects of being able to protect your neighborhood. There's you know, back in Texas they had such an invasion of feral pigs that it was open season at any
given time. As a matter of fact, if oh, yeah, a pig tail, I know my sister lived there. Yes, I heard all about that. Yeah, And if you could bring in a pigtail in the county that we lived in, there would give you a cash, you know, for for any pigs that you could prove that you'd killed. But it was really difficult to kill them, and you know, it would come out at night and you would have to have these really expensive night you know,
vision things. But of course you had to be very very stealthy. They would hear you coming from way off and so you had to you know, the people who would go hunting them in an area where it was fairly large. They put blankets all over their car and everything, tried to keep the noise down. But so it was very difficult to do that. But again it didn't involve some very expensive equipment. So he's got a way to do that without getting their really expensive nights going. Well, not so much hunting
feral fig but you protected your property, Yeah, definitely. I mean Matt flood seal teams in the Middle East. He knows this stuff inside out and backward. He wrote the whole chapter for me. I got a way to store checking eggs without refrigeration for up to two years. This is the way it was done. If you wondered how these guys in New York were in a six gun still out there got their eggs for breakfast, it was really true. Their refrigeration method that in the hydrogenated lime, and it says,
I've got how to do this in there. One thing I was taught. I was in a commando unit, and I was taught by Israeli and British Commonwealth sas instructors. Is I was taught things like skipping rounds. Guy. Everybody's obviously everybody thinks ninety five percent of the equation of survival is firearms and ammunition. That is not true. It's ninety five percent of it is food
and water. But you may need to protect what you have. You can make a single round, jacketed round turn into a shotgun basically by skipping rounds.
This is something that we were taught to do. I've got in there where to get Mothers and Nate to find that term for skipping round You're you're talking about shooting at the ground at something that's hard, that's going to fracture the bullet, I'm assuming right right, Yeah, fragments that I've got pictures in the book of of AK rounds I've fired and seven sixty two by fifty one, which is three to eight and eight a round, and the five
to five to six millimeters M sixteen air round and it's it's absolutely amazing. Along with the debris that this bullet will kick up, these will call not all of these holes in the sample silhouette target I have would be lethel, but they certainly would make a bad day for the guy that's laying in weight trying to kill you. You know. But like salt, where you get
salt? How to keep from freezing in cold weather without burning fuel. I got reugh something we may all need that, even if it's some kind of a catastrope, because they're trying to Yeah, we're so close from from grid shot and we're so close to this type of thing. I don't think people realize how critical and how susceptible this is to shut down. I mean, don't you think about this often. I mean, oh, you've got a
lot of lights and electronic stuff in your show there. Yeah, oh yeah, we lost power I think it was last week or the week before that, and you know, we could have a backup here, but we don't have really the kind of internet access that's going to allow us to do the bandwidth that we need. And so you know, we had to start the show like three hours almost three hours late that day because it just shut everything down in the entire area around here. Everything's shut down, school shut down,
all the stores are shut down. And so you look at that and you get a little bit of a taste of it, but then you also realize these politicians are trying to gradually they're like grimlins destroying the grid system themselves
in slow motion. And we've seen the results of that. When we were in Texas, you know where they the entire time I was in Texas for a decade, they were shutting down coal and oil power plants and putting in windmills and solar panels, and the windmills froze and everything froze, and we were out of power for a while with that. So you know, they're making the whole system very, very vulnerable. Everybody. Every summer, people
can see how the capacity and the vulnerability is. The capacity is going down, the vulnerability is going up because every summer or winter, whenever you have extremely cold or hot weather, everybody is being warned, oh, don't use any electricity because we're right on the edge of going down. We never had anything like that in decades past. This is something that's brand new. It's their new normal when it comes to energy starvation, and it's only going to
get worse. It's only going to get well rapidly. We've had such an explosion of the use of electronics. I mean, our computers don't draw that much, but you put everybody's computer together, and you put this foolishness of these electro mandated electric vehicles together with cutting back on the main state of the muscle of power production, which is coal, fire, plants and nuclear I don't think are very much better. Uh, and depending on mother nature for
wind mills, solar, it's a recipe for disaster. And yeah, it's what a degree that disasters is another seingal. You know, whether it comes to not being able to drive your car, not being able to get groceries at the grocery store, those are two different degrees of the danger. Yeah, or not being able to get emergency medical help to you or to get
to where there's emergency medical help. That type of thing doesn't necessarily have to rely on on some kind of a war or something breaking out or sabotage. It's just it's gradually being sabotaged by these people, and they're increasing it. You know, as you talked about nuclear, the whole idea that we got to stop all this stuff because of the emissions. I see a lot of problems with nuclear because I understand what the long term issues are with the storage.
But nevertheless, you know, they are not looking to replace anything that they're taking down with something that is known, that works, that is reliable. You know, nuclear is reliable. It's got some back end costs that are huge on it. It's got some other risks that are involved there, but they don't care about any of this stuff. And they're not talking about
the nuclear even though it has by their admission, zero emissions. So according to their story, that ought to be something that they would turn to. So you know, there's something else here and we know exactly what that is. It's a deliberate destruction of the grid. Yeah, sat along with the grid, you may as well replace that word grid with America because if the grid goes on, we've got some serious problem. I cannot believe the level
of corruption that has It's even gotten into the area I'm in. There's developers that are trying to increase the water allotment MINU Southwest. It's a desert, you know, cities like Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, even Phoenix and Albuquerque. They're all cities that are in the desert, the high desert. And Uh, there seems to be an endless drive to build properties here because
everybody's leaving California. But that's that's the corruption. Uh, And the people that are involved with this on a federal level, it just astounds me. It astounds for me. I see very few people that are Matt Gates and Margye Green and Ran Paul. They're all people that I deeply respect because I think that they've had uh, they've they've had well. Gates himself was literally
tried. They tried to lynch him, and they picked on the wrong guy because the billionaire family of his got behind him and traced back this fraudulent scheme all the way into the Justice department. Nothing was ever done, but they it seemed to drop off there. They could never find out who it was connected to. But the level of corruption has gotten to the point, I don't know. The older I get, the more I believe in the Bible. I have one son that was a Muslim. He's no longer. He
asked him many questions and I think asked him to leave. And the other one was I guess you might say the Christian. He was a sergeant of his scout sniper unit in weapons platoon unit in a rock. Kind of the absolute of contradictions. They both love each other. They're great, great guys,
great guy I'm very proud of them. But the point being this is I am more and more am seeing the wisdom of reading the Bible and the wonderful story it has, and I look back at my life, David, and I tell you, I told my wife the other day that must have been a period of insanity I was in when I'm doing this or that, and I said, only God and Jesus, some entity kept me alive. For what reason, I don't know, but I i the odds are I
shouldn't have survived what I did. But the point being this, I more and more look at the Bible, and I'm a Christian, and I'd like to accept anybody's religion that as long as they aren't going around trying to kill me. But you know, we support religous freedom because we want to have it for ourselves. You know, I've said that about everything. You know, even when you talk about free speech, you can't have any freedom in any form if you don't support that freedom for somebody else. So I can't
have my freedom of religion if I don't support your freedom of religion. But you're right, you know, you ask questions, and you should be asking questions, and then you're right to talk about the Bible. You know, you don't have a chapter in here on the Bible that is the ultimate prepping, isn't it, Because that is but I do have a section on religion, and I have six points that I go over that I'll accept anybody's religion.
And you know, obviously people that are advocating killing the infidels or killing the Muslims or whatever either way that they're going need to step back and look at the fact that the majority of people that do believe in a higher power and can humble themselves before that, the majority of people just want to live in peace, and I don't think they want to sit in and have a knife in each other's throat. I think we've moved away from that in the
country. I think that's one of the critical factors we're having. And there's in my opinion, the globalists have an attack on this. It is it's something that's a competition to what they want to instill in humanity, which by the way, is illusionary. It's based on communism. Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely is. By the way, Merry Christmas to you before thank you you as well. Yeah, that's another example that they want to try
to shut things down. I mean, they they're very very intolerant, very tutalitarian, and and so that's one thing that we want to be able to push back on and to stand firm against it. And I think the key thing is, you know, one of the things to prepare for is to understand your relationship with God, and that one of the reasons that we see everybody fighting each other in this country is because we've thrown God out. You know, we don't have peace with God. We're going to have war with
each other. And absolutely, one hundred percent crack yeah that I've come to this conclusion not because I'm getting older and I'm afraid of dying. I face death many times. Bottom line is this. I think about things a lot, and I think about some entity kept me alive and some energy has given me the blessings of wonderful children, a wonderful wife, and I'm just appreciative. And I love Christianity because it's the one religion of all of them that
professes forgiveness and sacrifice. And when you read about it, whatever you want to think about Jesus or God is up to the individual. But I got six points in my book that I go over that pretty much encapsulate what I think it should allow a person to look at another religion and accept its existence instead of trying to exterminate. I mean, look at these jokers over in the Middle East. They've been trying to kill each other off for four or
five thousand years, you know, and he doesn't see. Yeah, I know. I've heard people say, well, you know, we've had a situation in the past where Catholics are trying to kill the process of the process of trying to kill the Catholics and so forth, this kind of war. And as one person said, you know, well, you know, at that point in time, they took their religious differences of seriously enough that they would go to war over it. But that was when it was tied in
with government. And so we looked at this and it's like, well, we still want to take this seriously, but we want to have the toleration that we're not going to establish anything. That's really what the basis of America was. And yet, you know, as you as you get older and you and you're talking about it, you know, when you're younger, you look at it. And when I was younger, I should say, I would look at it and it's like a you know, fear of death.
I don't have the fear of death anymore. I'm not I don't it's not something that I look forward to experiencing. Certainly be an unpleasant experience, but when I look at it now, I look at it with an anticipation of what comes next. And that's the biggest thing that takes the fear of death
away. Is not that you're you're going to be leaving behind the things that you and people that you especially people that you really love, but there's an expectation you're going to be reunited with him, and that's what we work for. We work to try to take as many with us as we can and to try to get there ourselves. And so that anticipation and that you know and what it is about, I find it very when we're talking about books.
I love Randy al khorns Heaven because he begins with the Bible and he tries to keep it as based in the Bible, and he gives a reason why, you know, this would fit with the Bible. But it's a very positive understanding of what life would be like afterwards. It's not just hanging around on clouds and you know, doing nothing that at all. You know, his makes a biblical case that we would be very active, and would be active in a sense that we don't have the kind of frustration futility that
we have here on this earth. But it is also as even in that book and as you talked about your friend who left Islam because our night friend, but your son he left Islam because he asked too many questions. We invite questions, and we invite that in sp And as I do that, and as I look at it more carefully, it actually bolsters my confident expectations. And the more I more deeply I look at it, more closely,
I look at it rather than pushing me away. And so've I always invite that, you know, somebody is skeptical about something, let me hear it, you know, let me look at it, because every time I look at it, it gets validated and and my faith gets stronger for doing that investigation. Yes, it does. It has a way of drawing you further into it. And I think that your belief grows as you expose yourself to
this. I mean, I had a friend of mine saw a Bible sitting in the front seat in my car and he says, lawson, you the Bible. You know, what are you doing? You know? And I told him, I said, you know, sometimes I said there's some fantastic stories in there. I said, I read these things and it's like a roadmap for life. The Old Testament. New Testament is a roadmap, but tells you all the mistakes. They're telling you what the mistakes they were that
they made, and they're telling you not to do it. And unfortunately, most of the experience of life for people is making mistakes by which you learn wisdom. And I just also encourage every adult out in your listing area, every one of them. Well, there was a there was a song by the Judds. Grandpa, tell me about the good old days. I've said this before, but you know the thing is, now you start to realize
your grandpa and younger people need guidance. And I think a person needs to give them the guidance that wisdom of their age provides them, and and have some faith in these young people. They're good, good young people out there. And yeah, that's well. They talk about their preparation on individual liberties. That's the way I measure everything, not the Second Amendment. I measure individual liberties, which the Second amen was a part of. Yes, they're
now attacking free speech. If you don't believe, if you have somebody that doesn't believe in individual liberties. That's somebody I don't want anything to do us. Yeah, and that's that's Congress anything to do with most of them. So yeah, it is true. You know, we were talking about nuclear but the nuclear family, that term I just recently realized that term was just kind of referring to, you know, mother and father and immediate kids.
Because we have a mobile society and people would you know, leave the area that they grew up in for the most part, and leave their extended family and go to another part of the country. And so you just had that role corp there mother, father and kids. You didn't have the extended family of grandparents and cousins and things like that. And so in a sense, you know, that was one of the things that really kind of undercut us. And as you point out, you know, as grandpa, we got
to tell those stories and we've got to keep that culture going. And that's one thing that really is we've lost that. And everybody is attached not even to their nuclear family, but they're attached to the kids get attached to the school, you know, they get more attached to their team, their schoolmates. Then they get to their siblings, and they get more attached perhaps to their teachers in many cases than they do to their parents. Put the iPhone
down. Put the iPhone down. Every once. I've seen families in restaurants. I don't know what they're doing sitting together other than they're reading their text messages there. Yeah, I don't even call it a phone anymore. It's it's an entertainment center. Put the phone down. Put your entertainment center down, and look your kids in the eyes and talk to them. I do this all the time. We've kind of got an off limits phone thing here. I have a son in law is an attorney, doesn't always work with
he's always on the always on the phone. But anyway, it's it's something that's important. These young people don't try to cram a religion down their throat. They'll come to it. Yeah. Giving the guidance to a child and wisdom and being an example I think is very very important. Yeah, that's right. And it's the time that you spend with them. You know,
you go back and you look at Deuteronomy six. You know, as you're walking with your kids in the way you do this, Well, you've got to be with them in order to be able to have a teachable moment as you're walking with him. So that's the key part of it, I think.
But getting back to the survival stuff, that's more immediate when you we're talking about the open border and and the unrest that is going to come with that is as we see the anarchy that's being pushed in both directions, both with an open border and with the policies of a lot of these Soros district attorneys. Just turning from goes down on the street. Now we're seeing one of the district attorneys and I think is in New Orleans he gets carjacked by
somebody he let out. And we have an FBI agent who just got carjacked, and we have a congressman who got carjacked in Washington, DC, And so they're creating a great deal of anarchy and things like that. Do you address just that kind of ordinary personal safety on a regular basis in your book? Yes, I do, awareness, Yeah, Yes I do. I
have I have a whole section. I sat on a police board and a major It was one of the largest police boards in the United States, and I was a judge of officer involved shootings and use of deadly force and I was on that of seven years, so I had a lot of exposure to law enforcement having to deal with the public, and along with that, I put a lot of information in there on how to common sense, watch where you're doing, where you are, what you're doing, and be aware of
threat. I'm a believer in this. I believe a person walking from the grocery store door out to their car in a semilit parking lot can sense a danger around them, but the problem is they're thinking about everything other than that. We're almost like the old sitcom The Jetson's where this guy had the antenna's come out of his forehead, you know, only we don't let ours out
anymore. We were always thinking about something else. And on that police board, I talked to hundreds of people and was always the same statement, Oh they came out of nowhere. They didn't come out of nowhere. They were waiting for you, but you weren't thinking about them and you weren't tuned in. I swear there's almost a sense of adrenaline in the area that you could
pick up on or some type of telepathic thought. When there's evil about you, you can you can be aware of this, but uh, I've got quite a bit in there about how to survive a night fight, which is basically turn and run. If you talk to any special operations guys, they give you all kinds of different movements and blocking movements and that type of thing, but wrapping a code around your arm to protect yourself, doing whatever you have to. But the number one rule I had an instructor tell me turn
and run. But uh, there's quite a bit on common sense protection. Also, I get heavily into the neighborhood protection, and I am revising some of what have written. I am astounded at what has happened. I was exposed to the Mormons the very first one of these I set up with, and they were there were people that ate the stuff up and asked for seconds. They were the type of because of their religion pushes this time. The thing is self preservation and a group protection of your area. But I've noticed
where I live, I'm getting people coming from areas of the country. They've lived in an any state where they're told everything they can do and what they can't do, mostly what they can't do. And it amazes me that I see these people have gotten The males have gotten so feminized, and everybody is, oh, you can't do that, or oh that's against the law.
Well I'm not a lawyer, but I know enough about how police look at you in your own area to be able to state, as I do in the book, what to do. And it's frightening to me that this attitude, of this lack of days ago attitude, this I don't really care about, this is so overwhelming people. Again. My latest post in my book my blog is an article called fear that was written by a preacher friend of a friend of mine, a guy called genic Can gen x Can, and
it's basically tells you how to deal with it. I believe this. Get some food, get some water, get yourself a protection device, whether it's a firearm or whether it's non lethal like bear spray. You'd have bear spray and be prepared. Then enjoy your family, enjoy life, but get something to tide you over. When the grocery stores are being rated by everybody,
that's right, that's right. And you know when you look at the advice that you've got here being situationally aware of what is happening, you know, it's amazing to me when we look at how everybody is freaking out over things that are absolutely nothing, and yet they completely ignore the real dangers around them. And interesting, Yeah, isn't that an interesting contradiction. That's the It kind of gets you passive in a lot of different ways. And I think
about it in terms of driving. You know, I've been in countries where there's not really any lanes and people just free form. But people are more aware of what's going on. They're constantly thinking about all the software is Americans get lulled into this. It's like, Okay, I got my lane, I got my traffic light. That light's green. I'm going I'm not even going to look to see if somebody's running it in the other direction. Right over A very interesting perspective. Yeah, that is very true, and I
think that has happened to us in all aspects of our life. And so I think that's one of the big advantages of reading your book because it opens people up to Okay, this type of thing can happen, and that kind
of thing can happen. But even to the extent you're talking about keeping warm, easy ways to keep warm, not just if you lose power, but just if you want to try to save some money because or whatever, you know, in terms of food and other things like that, and this time of rapid inflation and things like that that might happen, or with job and security, you know, making some preparation of things that are going to tide you over that is very, very important, and so it has immediate usage
in terms of preparation I think for the things we're going to face on a regular basis, but also for catastrophic things. But even if the catastrophic things don't happen, you're going to be better off with these types of preparations and understanding what is there and ready for a type of a lot of different things that are going to come at you. So it's a great book. I highly recommend this to people, and have no people won't need people won't need
this knowledge. Yes, which in the next two years, especially since the next year is an election year, I anticipate not totally anarchy in the country, but I anticipate towards the election, I anticipate there's going to be a lot of riding. The rule of law is basically going out the window already. To me, I would not want to be a policeman, which I wanted to be for a long time. Yeah, I would not want to
be a policeman now because there's a total lack of respect. Yeah for the police, that's right, and a lot of job to go to work, a lot of handcuffs put on them, isn't that while they release the criminals. That's the way the rules have been. I'm not saying I'm not saying some of that shouldn't be. Yeah, that's right, because there are there are situations. But basically in my book Where to Honker down in the City, I don't advocate a person stays in the city, but if you do,
there are certain ways that you can survive. If you're in the summertime. There's enough food around to eat in alleys with weeds edible. Well to talk about that the next time. There's so much in the book and two volumes of this again. The website is Civil Defensemanual dot com. Go there and take a look at least at what he has to say about water. That is vital and we need to start thinking about preparedness because things are going
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