INTERVIEW Mao's America: A Survivor's Warning

All right, and joining us now. Our guest has written a book, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning, and I am really anxious to talk to her because she grew up in China. She was there during Mao's Cultural Revolution. She eventually came to America. And I have seen this over and over again. You had, Rodreyer said, he had his friend's parents who had been in Stalinist, Russia were getting very upset. They said, this is exactly the same stuff we saw in Russia. This is exactly the same stuff

she saw in China. And we need to understand where these people are taking us, and we need to understand what their tactics are. So joining us now is she Van Fleet. Her book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. Thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for inviting me. And you came to prominence. I mean, you were just kind of living a quiet life here in America, and you came to prominence in Loudon, Virginia because you were speaking out against some of the things that you saw in

school. He said, this is exactly what I saw as a child growing up in China. This is the communist tactic. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah, of course that was something that I was not prepared for. So I went to school board and thinking I'm just doing my duty and have no idea that my video in viral. And at the same time, I was shocked to find how few people know anything about communism and fewer people know about the Culture Revolution, and say, that's why I say that

people have no idea what Walkie is. They thought it's something new, they thought it's just the left, the wind, the praising. But for people who experienced Culture Revolution and who lived down to communism, you don't have to experience the exactly what I experienced the Chinese Culture Revolution. If you live under communism, it's we recognize it instantly. This is communism, That's what Andrea

was saying. He said, the people who have lived under it, whether you know it was Russia or China, they can smell it a mile away because you can't, yes, you can't not look the other direction. I was surprised because we adopted our daughter from China. I was surprised when we went there about fifteen years ago that to see all these pictures of maw everywhere. Because I knew the hardships of people going through and how many people had

died the Cultural Revolution, all these other things. I was surprised to see him still essentially revered. But we do that, don't we, in various kinds. Yeah, and the marks, you know, the really the evil genius that his idea, a toxic ideology, led to the deaths of more than a hundred million people. He was still has has been reviewed by this left and by the professors and the university and the students there as well.

So, yeah, because this ideology has never been public trialed and denounced, and that is the problem, and that's why your book is very important. Tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up as a child in the Cultural Revolution. Did you get sent out into the rural areas and everything as they were doing. Yes. Yeah, it's a long history and it's complicated, and it's I do my best to just make it short and

still, you know, makes sense. Okay. So I was in my second semester of the first grade when culture Revolutions started in nineteen sixty six, So I had one semester of more or less normal education and then the and I remember very little, but I do remember you know in the reading class, we we we were were learning sentences that's just describing nature, kind of peaceful, kind of memorable and a normal kind of thing. And then that was it. That's the only thing I remembered. And then heading on to

the second semester, that's when the culture revolution started. And pretty much immediately the school was closed because all the principles and teachers were ulstered by the students because they were they become the target of the culture revolution, because Maw condemned all all of them as counter revolution reactionary intellectual authority, meaning they were the

enemy of the state should be aulstered. So the students turned against the teachers and uh and the school work post closed for me two years and for other other places as far as long as four years. No school, total chaos, and so we as little kids and nothing to do, so we went

to the streets every day. And then what we witness is the unfolding of the cultural revolution, of the struggle, sessions, parade of those people being denounced and the Red Guards debated each other and pretty soon and cancel culture definitely smashing of our statues and uh taking down any inside sign boards of school of stores that were traditional anything that is not communist or revolutionary, we're all uh

smashed and destroyed and pretty soon turned into violence. You know. I did an interview not too long ago with an individual who wrote a book about a Project Veritas whistleblowers experience in corporation and how they were pushing you know, this critical race theory and things like that, and he was very upset about it. He was black, and he was still upset about it. He didn't like it, and so he started taking notes and then he became a whistleblower

for Project Veritas, and he wrote the book. And when I talk to the guy who wrote the book with him and really for him, he was saying, yeah, you know, all this stuff that's happened in critical race theory and all the rest of this stuff, people want to call it Marxism, it's not Marxism. It's like, well, it is Marxism. It absolutely is in so many different ways. I couldn't believe it when he said that. I didn't really you know, get into it with him, because

I really wanted to find out this guy's experiences. But you know, it really is purely Marxism. Talk about the struggle sessions and people can understand. If they understand some of the specifics of these things and what does the struggle session look like, they'll start to see how it aligns with what we're seeing here in the United States. Yes, yes, but I want to ask to what you just said, too many people. I'm not talking about people

on the left, I'm talking about conservatives. Still, we don't have enough people understand the nature of Fulkhism. It is pure cultural Marxist Marxism and as pure Maoism. And that's why I call my my book Maus America. It is Maoism with American characteristics. And that's why I don't like to use the term woke. I mean, first of all, these people are not awake, they're not conscious of what's going on. And the people who use that

term, that's another trick that they do. And they come up with their own labels for themselves, and they're labeled for you, and we must not use those labels because that's what propaganda too. The CCP used the same word, did they really? Yeah, they did, they did. And in Chinese it's called the jo wu, meaning awakening inside you, a consciousness. And we have to raise our class consciousness and see everything in terms of class.

And so any way anyone that somehow run against the party in our him is casted as the enemy of the state or the black class, and that you always want to do anything to remain in the red class, which is the allies of the revolution. And constantly everyone has to raise their class warkness or consciousness, no same terminology. People of course they don't know because they never learned the history. Okay. I think it's interesting in this country too,

that they got everybody to agree with. Okay, we've got the Red States and the Blue States, and it's like, no, the Blue States approaching Marxism socialism, the Red States. Red has always been the color of the communists, as you just pointed out, Yeah, exactly, And so they for you that to muddy the water, to confuse people, and you

got people out there saying, yes, we're the Red States. Where I know, I am so disgusted with communism, but for the longest time, I don't want to wear anycent red because that just reminds me of communism, of revolution, blood of violence. And then come here, okay, you know, we ah, you know, the public hall is red. But then I found out the Democrats did the switch because they don't want to associate

with communism, which is exactly what the what they are anyway. So now I will I embrace red because now I'm conservative because stock with a color red. We just have to make the best offer. I just try to avoid that term and that red and woke as much as I can because and you know, if you go back and you look at ANTIPI. I got a friend who was in Germany and he says, you go back to the nineteen thirties, they haven't even changed their flag. They had the same flag in

Germany in the nineteen thirties that they've got now. And so yeah, it is amazing how they just import this stuff over and because Americans don't know their history and they don't know what has happened in other countries, they just they swallowed hook line and sinker. So tell us about the struggle sessions. Yes, struggle session? What is struggle session? And actually I'm going in a little deeper what that really means. A struggle session is a term and the

use not just doing the cultural evolution. It started as soon as the Communists took over China in nineteen forty nine, and then one of the major campaigns they launched is called land reform. Land reform is the what communists did to fulfil their promise to the peasants who support their revolution that they're going to give the free land to them. All right, thank you, that's okay, yeah, and I got some free gift for you here. Okay, good

good, yeah, okay, So they here listen to it. How do you get all the peasants together and fight the landlord in order to get their land? To raise their class consciousness, because the peasants did not know such a thing as a class. That was an alien to them, so they have to be taught and just like a dei training. So the communists trained the peasants and told them, you are poor, not because you did not work hard, not because you are not smart. Mm hm. And we're

seeing that now in terms of reparations, because do agree that. You know, there they used and in Europe they used class, and that doesn't work here in America because you know, nobody really saw themselves as being a different class. But they did see themselves as being a different race, a different

skin color. Yeah, So that's what they focused on, and that's why there's been so much focus on white privilege and all the rest of the stuff, and why, you know, the reparations is really very much like the promises of land reform. They even go back and say, well, you know, after the slavery, you're supposed to get you know, an acre and forty mules or something like that, or you know that they actually make these finds of analogies. Yeah, yeah, same idea. But anyway to

raise your class to be woke is the condition to have a revolution. And then the peasants finally they said, okay, we are poor. They were taught we they are poor because the rich explored, explored it and oppressed them. So now now everyone now there are two classes. There's a black class, there's a red class and their enemies. And then the goal of the red class to is to eradicate the black class. So that is the beginning of the political identity. And that was the saying that the CCP used to

permanently divide American other Chinese people. Okay, going back to the so the struggle station started in their land reforming in ninety forty nine to ninety fifty one, the same formula. They absolutely the Yeah, the same tactic is the landlord or the rich peasants will be struggled against like a public trial, and the peasants would condemn them. And the peasants were coached to retell their suffering

and then blame all their suffering, all their problem to the landlord. And then in end and then they will saying what do we do with the landlord and our death to the landlord, and then dragged out and executed. And that's how it started. And during the Culture Revolution, the enemy has shifted. It's no longer the landlord and the rich peasants. They become those in

power, meaning those were the CCP bureaucrats or the CCP leadership. Why because feel like he was no longer in control of his party and who wanted to purge everyone. He can't purge everyone because that would looked like he was after his own party. He had a better idea. He mobilized all the young people from his government schools and his universities. Those were called the Red Guards. So they took the mobilized the Red Guards, gave them power, pure

power, and dismantled the police and the law enforcement. And no one can stop them. Anything they do was justified. Anything they do has no consequences. So they went after those in power, all levels of the government, from the village to the central government. So that is what the Red Guards did. Struggle session is I witnessed the struggle session or the governor of my

province. So because the governor was pretty tall, so they got two basketball player two to hold him on the stage and so to make the governor look small. And then the Red Guards have a love speaker and denounce him, and so then people shout slogans. And during that particular struggle session, I did not see violence, but he was beaten, he was struggled against she He probably went to like a hundred of this kind of a struggle session.

And his wife was also part of that struggle sessions. And during one struggle session they pulled the Red Guards pulled all her hair off, and eventually she committed suicide. So that is a and there is a violent struggle session that people were beaten to death right on the spot, and they were my older which is just verbal abuse. That's what I looked at. But that's not it. It's not just strong desision, is not something against denounced enemy.

Struggosis really really means struggle against yourself, and in the CCP's word is a criticism and self criticism. As a young kid, I went through it. It's a routine. It's every week there is a political study and then we have to read some of the mouse quotations and then we carry out this self criticism and self criticism. So each kid will say whatever the person, you know, the kid did not do well enough according to mouse instruction. So

you denounce yourself. Wow, and we see that today. We see that today that kids have to denounce themselves because of their you know, their gender you know, uh, and and their normalcy or whatever that we would say, or their skin color. That's exactly the same thing that see you see that, Yeah, so you denounce yourself and then you denounce your classmates. So we go around and round around you say, okay, I did not

do this right. You know, of course we did not say we have privilege, you know, just say well, we're not up to mouths instruction and we should do better, and then say so. And so that day I saw you say this, and I saw your act like that, and that's not right. So it's that is really the core. It's not those kind of a public trial. It is at every level, every person is

involved in struggle session. So that's exactly what we're seeing now. E I, you denounce your privilege if you're white, okay, and then and you swear that you'll do better, right, and then you you denounce your coworker who you heard saying this and that, And that's absolutely the same thing. Oh yes, I remember the testimony of a young girl who was pressured into gender mutilation of and surgery and things like that. And she said, you know, I got into this group because and I forget what it was.

It was some pop group that she liked, or some game that she liked or something like that, and so just a special interest group. But everybody that was in it was into this type of struggle session things. She didn't call it that, but she said, you know, they were all leftists, and you know, and and I was just heterosexual, and I was white, and I had to denounce myself to be a part of this group. And so I started denouncing all that. It wasn't enough to just say,

okay, you do whatever you want. I had to hate myself for that and I had to make these confessions to them. That is what they're doing to all the kids. It's amazing how they have very insidiously and subtly and undercover inserted all of these psychological tactics that were used by Mouth in America. It's amazing, of course, because people have no idea, yeah, because they don't know history, and people like me, it sees through right

away because it's the same, absolutely the same thing. So you can't be just not a racist, right you have to be anti racist? Yes, yes, yeah, so exactly the same idea. Yes. Tell us a little bit about the canceled culture, of course, which is tied with that as well, and the need for them to destroy statues. We just saw this fetishized destruction of a Robberty Lee statue and you know, they took up, you know, a very high quality video of them melting it down,

all the rest of the stuff. This is a very important thing for the communists to take down statues and to erase the culture that's existing there. Yeah, the goal is to erase past period. Cancel culture is really too. In China, it's called a destruction of the four old old idea, old culture, old habit, old custom, anything that is traditional, anything that is a pre communist communist regime has to be erased, has to be destroyed.

And you start with something very symbolic, right, anything that is everyone can see. And then what you do You go and destroy the statues. And so in China we do not have many public statues as in the West. Most of them were religious statues such as uh in the in the Buddhist temple or in church. And that's what they went after they are destroyed or

the statues and uh. And that's not it. They changed their names of everything that is not traditional, that is traditional, such as institution names, store names, food brand sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're deep under this. We're deep into this, aren't we. So the four oles old ideas, old culture, old habit what was the fourth one? And old customs old customs. Interesting now it's just the civilization of China.

And yeah, it all has to go. Why because if you want to install Maoism as the supreme ideology or the religion of the land, you have to remove everything before it. And that and and and the cancel culture went to a next stage. Okay, they destroyed everything in the public okay, And they said there were more they were hidden in people's homes and we have to go after that. That's what they did. They readed people's homes and took whatever they think is old, destroyed them, or confiscated them. This

is the largest looking operation in history of mankind. Wow. Wow, of course, you know we have the irs is going to be made five to seven times bigger depending on which budget they go through. And that's what I'm concerned about, is that they're going to go around confiscating not necessarily statues because people don't know them, any statues or things like that their own, but go around confiscating any physical property. Tell us a little bit about what they

did to the family, because that is a key part of this. You know, in America, was there as part of the four oles? Would that I don't know, would the family fall into one of these in terms of a culture or custom or something like that. Yes, okay, I'm sorry, Oh that's okay. Take your time, drink, drink something. If you'd like to go ahead, go ahead, I'll cover here for you. You said that again. You know, we look at things like critical

race theory and stuff like that. Again, we're talking about race rather than class. That's the differents in communism in America versus China or Europe. But again old ideas, old cultures, old habits and old customs, and I imagine family fits in there somewhere absolutely. So for family, you don't have to guess. You just read communist manifesto. It laid out there are clearly there's three things they want to abolish. One is private property, another is

religion, another is family. So that is laid out there, you know, clear for everyone to see. They have to destroy religion because in order to implement communism as the religion and be this is very very important. Communism is not and the community is a religion. It is and even though they say that against religion, but it is a religion. It replaced religion. So they have to destroy religion and uh, and they have to destroy family

because those are the foundations of any in society. So that started very early on, especially in schools, and so it was very very clear to everyone, not just to kids, but to parents as well. The kids belong to the state, yes, and parents understand that. And so if you have to choose between your parents and the state, you choose the state.

And there's no question about it. Many kids reported their parents during the Cultural Revolution to the to their authority, and some of the parents were arrested and some were executed. It was so clear in my mind, in every kid's mind, the party was our parents, and the chairman Mauth was our parent. And that is if you talk to any any people lived on the communism, it is a common threat. They destroyed religion, they destroy family.

M M. Yeah. And of course, you know, those of us who knew about that understood and saw that when Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child, you know, he turned you destroy the family, you put the children under the care of the government. We had MSNBC running public service announcements a few years ago, Melissa Harris Perry I think was their name. She got to get over this idea the children belonged to the parents, and at that point in time, they hadn't really found something that

they could use as a wedge. Now what they're doing is they're using this transgender thing as a wedge, and that's where it's coming in. But it'll be other things. You know, you'll be denounced to be the other things. Yeah, there'll be other things. That's just the first thing that I'm doing right now. Yeah, yeah, that was not on the horizon. And you know people are looking at this, Oh okay, fine, you know the villages is there. They're going to help to do it, and

but you know what, where is the conflict there? And they and so they came up with the conflict. First they sell you the idea that kids belong to the state and to the society and to the village, and then they find the issues of conflict to punish the parents with. But actually they have been doing that before. Transgender transgender really just showcase that how they are trying to cut the tize between parents and children and actively set children up against

the parents. But for decades they have been teaching the values of communism and Marxism and even though that's not what Americans know about, but they have been developing the children with a new set ideologies and created this conflict between generations, right and as a lot of family, especially in recent years, a lot of families just broken up, just like the cultural revolution, because they don't agree with each other ideologically. And they have been doing that for a very

very long time. And they will find other issues, and they will find any issues to advance their agenda. That means to take their children away from the parents so they control them. That's right. Yeah, you know, just as we saw that they used class in China and in Europe as a dividing thing, and here they use skin color. Uh. Then I think also in the same way, this dividing wage. I've seen this as you

talked about. This has been going on for decades, of course, and uh one of the first cases that I saw this is up in Massachusetts, and it was a father who didn't want his eight year old girl and a sex education class that at the time was not into all of these shall we say, highly deviant sexual practices that are going on right now. It was just straight side. But she was eight years old and said, I don't think she's mature enough for this, and he and they said, well she

has to do it. So he went to school to take her out. They arrested in for trespassing and the judge said, when you drop your child off at the school, you have surrendered them to the state, and we will act in loco parentis in place of the parents. And so there's been this wedge. You know that they've been making the wedge of the sexual wedge they've been making it wider and wider with all the different diverse practices and everything.

But just as they began to use this wedge of sexuality against the parents, and this really kind of does go back even to the mid twentieth century, you know, where you had the and then following up, you know, in the nineteen fifties generation gap and then the sexual Revolution. All they've been using the sex thing as as a wedge issue, especially with the parents, and they've really weaponized it in a very visual way, especially in just

the last few years. But they'll find other things, as you point out, and always do something. Yes, sex was their secret weapon, but it's really anything tranditional, anything kind of a normal they're challenging right now, right and for in the communist country that we were taught we were equal to

the parents. We can educate our parents. So many times we were taught that we were better than our parents because we know better, we are more updated in our learning, and so we should always watch out our parents and make sure they are up to date with their learning and so. And that's why in the communist countries, and they worship or or they gave power to

the youth and that's what we're doing now. The young people, they know we led to believe that they know better or they know what's best for them, and the same ideality, the same idea that the children are better off knowing what's best for them than the parents. That's right. And I saw that, you know, even though I was a child at the time, you could see that there was something different that it happened, and it was really flowing out of the schools they use, the schools even at the beginning

of all this. The idea that we've got in America, one of the things that's made us very vulnerable is we love the idea that we're constantly reinventing culture. Our culture is very fluid. I would imagine that in China it was a lot more conservative and not as fluctuating as it has been in America because of the embracing of media and entertainment and of the Baby boom, teenagers and all the rest of this. If they were able to then have this

rapidly evolving culture that really kind of played into their hands. I think was it more conservative in China when when Maw came in culture of family, Yeah, it was very transitional. Yeah, but during the culture of everything turned turned upside down in the cultural revolution. To us, the world was turned upside down, just like today. We're told similar things. I think some of them were not as extreme as what we see in America. But we

were also told that there's no difference between men and women. Were the same. We are whatever men can do, women can do better, the other half of the sky, the other half of the fight, and todd and so in. Yeah, so we dressed like a man, we talk like men, we think like men, we act like men. So if you go to China in the sixteen seventies, you see a sea of gray. People look like and you can hardly distinguish the gender. And so we were

made into a genderless society. And so so Mao and always brag that he liberated women and from the oppression of the of the old society and of the patriarchy. But they did not give them choice. So they're all liberated from from the household, you know, uh shores and their children were sent to

daycare by the government. So they were forced to join their workforce. They become the work bee for the party, the work side by side with the men, So they become men so it's it's not extreme ASTs say that women can be men and men can be women, but it's idea, yeah, same idea. Yeah. Yeah, we just add in a kind of a sexual deviance overtone to it. And it is that radical leveling, which is another you know, everything in communism is leveled, right. Uh, you

know, we take everybody down except for the people a top. Uh. Everybody else owns nothing and they're happier and all that, aren't they. Yeah, yeah, now that's what I say. Now we're taught, uh that we're thought that we should own nothing and be happy in Chinese, Uh, in the communists China in most time, especially that we had nothing and we have to we have to be happy. If you show that you're not happy, if you show that you're dissatisfied, you will end up in a struggle

session or in the pulogs. Yeah, that's why. That's that's what they're working on here. That's exactly what. Yeah, if you if you are not happy, you know, you better take you know, the brave New World approach. You know, you can self medicate with drugs or alcol or, sex or whatever to just drop out of the world. But if you pay attention and you get upset about it, you get the nineteen eighty four treatment, and yeah, that's it's amazing how this is all coming around and

we're seeing exactly the same type of thing. So what do you You're You've written the book, You've gone around and talked to a lot of people and giving trying to wake up Americans. Are they starting to see the light in this? I do? I think when I started to talk, and I remember one particular place and I went to talk and I talk about cultural evolution Red Guard, and I just noticed there's this kind of blunt look from the audience, and I realize, my god, they really don't know anything.

I have to start from the very beginning, and I can't just say the cultural revolution, What is cultural evolution? Why culture evolution? What is Red Guard? How it comes into being? And there's just too much to explain in that, you know, forty minutes speed. And in the process, a lot of people ask me, you know, I met a lot of people in the past two years and they said, you have a book. I'm going to write a book. And it's because that I know that I

need to write this book to explain everything in more detail. How and why and aware and all that, And I hope that it's going to be helpful for people to understand what the Chinese culture revolution is about and why it's so similar to the American culture evolution that is unfolding in front of us. Yeah, you know, people talk about communists version. But the reason they mentioned that is because these people A brought the exact same tactics and plans and you

know, pretended that this is just something that they thought of. And if we don't understand the pattern and how this has been used and what it led to, it's going to be really bad. Now. We there during the period when there was a lot of starvation and things like that. No, no, I was born in the yard and in that time, and it started in nineteen fifty nine lasted three years, So no I, so you're not, as your child, you're not really caught up in the great leap

forward type of thing right now. I was too little for that. But everybody, you know, like my parents' generation, know about stories were still alive that I know enough growing up, But I did not understand why. But I just understood that it was a time that everyone was going hungry and those were lucky ones because they were in the city and they have ration, they have ration of a certain amount of food, even though everybody was going

hungry. But in the countryside, that's where death took place. Up to fifty million Chinese peasants died. Wow, it's very interesting how both Stalin and now so many of the same tactics. As you're pointing out the struggle sessions and everything. You know, Stalin had his purges, but then at the beginning of all this, you know, Stalin had his helamidor and Ukraine goes to the place where it's the most fertile and starves of people to death.

Mao does the same thing with this great leap forward. And it's very troubling to see that now that we have our technocrat overlords who were saying, well, we're going to have to change the way you do food, and we're going to you know, dismantle the food supply, We're going to dismantle energy, We're going to do all this stuff. All of that stuff seems to

be that same tactic seems to be on the horizon. And of course that really is kind of at the leading edge of the oppression, because first you have to take everything away from everybody and do your great reset before you can impose this new system. And I think they've got a timeline for this new system of twenty thirty, so I think they're going to escalate this pretty quickly. What do you think Yes, I think that people absolutely need to understand

this. Communism has nothing to do with communalism. Right. Communal we're just sharing, we're happy together. We take away private property so there's no exploitation, we're all happy together. Communism is all about one thing. Control, okay, control everything in people's lives. Control what you can have, Control where you can live. And now we're told fifteen minutes the city is where we should live. Control what you can you, where you can move during

the mouths time. They control in such a way that nobody can really move just to visit another place, because they give you coupon for food, and that coupam only apply to where you live. So if you say I'm going to take three months vacation travel around the world the country, you can't do that. First off, you have no money, and said can you Your coupon could not apply to another city, so you kind of start where you were, and they and how many children you can have? Right one before

they want to have as many as children as possible. They follow Stalin's policy as many and then the change it only have one, you have more, you're dragged to the hospital and forcefully your baby will forcefully abort it. And then what you can say, there's no freedom of speech zero okay. And and if you have to praise the party, you have to praise the correctly. If you praise the party incorrectly, you're also in trouble. And mostly

mostly people pay attention what you can think. So that is communism in a nutshell control. And so you so people think, do you know that that what you're taught was lie when you were you know, in the school? How do I know? I have no idea because all the information was controlled. I have no idea to compare to anything. Right, it's just one version of everything, one version of truths and UH and it's from the party and UH and and the one source of information that's from the UH, the

party media or from the school. Everything is controlled by And so when you have no other information, you can't think. You cannot think critically without access to information. That's right, And that's why they're working so hard on censorship

now. It is a it is a very insidious program. And of course it's interesting when we talk about the one child policy because you know, what what China has done is that they've aligned themselves with this globalist climate movement, and the globalist climate movement is UH is a perfect fit, a perfect rationale for them to institute UH communism. You know, one of the clips that

I've played several times is justin Trudeau. He was asked, what's your favorite country in the world besides, of course Canada, and he says, China, because I could tell everybody what to do to save the environment. That's exactly what this is all about. They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do, and they're going to control everything in our lives on the basis

of that, including how many kids we have. And of course, the whole climate and environmental movement was born out of depopulation and the idea that humans are a virus and we've got to reduce humanity, which is exactly what Stalin

and mal wanted to do with their starvation programs. There's too many people here to control, so let's reduce the number of people here, and as I reduced them and devastate the population in my country, I can show my authority and establish myself as you know, the dread authority in this particular country. It's amazing how they have followed through to the letter all of these same policies,

and it's all it's a plan that's just rolling out to us. And also, you know what's happening in China now right they ran out of cheap labor. They are in deep, deep trouble, and the population is so aged, and they really the future is diary is And then you know what the party said, you should have three and yeah, see that that is worse than depopulation. In the very beginning, Starling encouraged first after the Second World War, Right, they have like award to mother who have nine children,

ten children amounted the same thing. So they control everything according to their needs. So now they ask people to have three. Well that's not that easy. You just ask and people just have three. But they started with party members. Party members, if you want promotion, you were required to have three children. Wow, well that's communism, control through of everything.

Just flip the switch and now we're going to do something completely different and So did you have any experience when you were when you were there in terms of Christian persecution, the underground church that is there, I know, that's uh. I had no idea what Christianity was. That's the truth, and so no idea because religion removed out of our lives. The only thing that you

know in China, the largest religion is Buddhism has been Buddhism. Okay, so there are ten posts and even though some of them were destroyed, but there are still some in the city and so but they turned into parks. So growing up going through this so called Buddhist parks, so I know there's such a thing. And then we're told they're all superstitious and it's all backward and primitive. So I just go there and look at the Buddha. I'm

just thinking, that's just so stupid they make a statue like that. So religion was absent in our lives, and of course I know better. We had a religion that's communism, and we have a god that's mouth, and we had a Bible that's the most read little book. Right, but only in the early eighties, and so I was working in the university in a college for training school teachers. And then the Americans started coming in and they want to see churches, and so by then some of them started to open.

And I was shocked to find there is a building that I passed through their countless times, a church, and so I took them there, the American teachers, and there I met a young young guy and so he said they he was you know, I was twenty in my early twenties, and he was too, so he said he was Christian and because his parents have passed it down to them, they just do it at home. I was

like, really, I have no clue. I really had no clue that there were such things that in China there's among us, there's some underground Christians. So of course later you know, it opened up a little more, and in the nineties and early two thousand, but now you know it's crashing. Then they're closing churches, and the churches that are not closed become the party churches. And if you go to some of the churches in the in the order, it's a mouth portrait and she portrait. Yes. And to

the cross. I've talked about that many times, said, if you're going to put up a cross, You've got to put me on one side and on the other side. And I said, did they realize that they've got Jesus and the two thieves on either side? I know. But so if you today, if you go to China, you can still go to church. There's still some open. Those are CCP church, Ccpeace Church. Yes, the real church is underground. And later after I came out, I

met more people who were part of that underground church. So there church they called the Church of the Three Persons Self or something like that, don't they isn't it something like that? This? Yeah, the Three Self was a policy that installed early on, and you know, basically they are going to make church Chinese church, you know, and not even Chinese church a CCPs church. Yes. Yes, So if you go to today, if you go to I went actually I checked the Association for Buddhism in China, Christianity,

Catholic whatever. If you go to their website, the landing page is the support the Communist Party, the support socialism, the support forget it. You know, they're not they're not really independent. And you find that, you know, what they started doing, even the churches that were doing that, you know, trying to balance grape to the Communist Party. They would then come in and tear them down anyway, you know. I mean, it's just you know, it depends on what their women is. I remember

when we were there. We were there for a couple of weeks, and then as we went south into Hong Kong and were on the train, I saw it crosses for the first time. It's like, you know, I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't seen any churches or any crosses or anything

like that the whole time we were there in China. You know, it's all underground, but it's pretty big underground from all reports, because that kind of persecution really grows the church, and it grows real strong church members who who uh, they're they're not going to be coming for the ice cream social that's the way they're there for, because they're really serious about it. Well I tell you this, so yes, yeah, that's another thing people should

should know. On the Communism, there's absolutely no freedom for religion or faith. Yeah. Well, I think they're right to understand that the church is their enemy, because I think that is the most effective guerrilla organization to oppose this kind of authoritarianism. Christianity was the roots of our liberal society in the West, and and it's going to be the way that they're going to uproot

the Communists from the ground up, I think in that country. But you know, when you're talking about the fact that even they wanted to control what you think that was when Rod Dryer was talking to people who had come from Russia and places like that, and in the tradition of Selsy Knits, and he actually named his book Live Not by Lies because that was an essay by Soldie Knits. And that's what they want you to do. They want you to as you point out, they as a child, you're given one source

of information. That's just the way that it is, and so you just go with that. But for the other people, and if you come up with eventually, they're going to come to you and tell you that they want you to repeat two plus two equals five. And if you don't believe it, yes, exactly. And so that's the thing. It's about breaking your will to eventually come in. And I think that's another aspect of what we

see with this gender stuff. You know, you have to regardless of what you actually see or know or whatever, you've got to deny that and go with what they say is real and uh and so that's the key thing, you know, and that was one thing that the souls in Nitsen saw that it's the common thing amongst all these different utalitarian societies is that ultimately you're going to have to uh bend your what you know is true is going to have to be bent to what they want you to say, just as a power

exercise. And we see that happening now in the United States. And that's why it's so important for people to say, Nope, not going to go there, and and understand where this all, all of this is coming from. All of these things, as you point out, Mao's America warning America of the fact that this is a plan, it is an agenda. They've executed this plan and it's going to be so much worse for us because now

they have the leverage of technology. And also just this morning, I watched a clip of the interview by this guy, George he used to be the Clinton's advisor a Greek claim I can't remember right now, George whatever clapless stepan yes and an interview a congress member, and and he just keeps doing that can you can you say that twenty twenty election, it's not stolen? And then when here we're talking about something, he bring it back, he bring it back, he bring it back. Can you say yes or no it

is stolen. That's not the same tactic. Struggle a woman. Can you say this man is in standing in front of you that he is a woman. You have to see it? Can you see it? See it? And now, Sam, that's a struggle session, isn't it. Well, yeah, it is time for us to struggle against these people. And you have to people who need to understand. That's why your book is so important. People need to understand the tactics. This is nothing new. There's nothing

new under the sun. You know, Solomon was wise enough to say that. And of course this kind of stuff has been going around forever, but it has been honed into a fine tactic of psychological manipulation by the communist And now what they're going to do worldwide is take that tactic that that you lay out here, that Mao did, and they're going to wed it to modern

technology to give them more leverage on people. I think, just realize they have established the truths, right, the climate is changing and they're going to destroy the earth. If we don't do anything otherwise, you're a denier, denied denier. And that is exactly what mau did. One truth and everyone has to go by it. And if you question it, your enemy of the state. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we see that over and over again. It is so important for people to see this. Again.

The book is Mao's America A Survivor's Warning. The best place to get that anywhere the books are sold or do you have a website that you'd like to that you saw that directly? No, I should have, I don't. It gets you a little bit more money. So I always want to offer that to authors because I know that they make a little bit more money if they sell it direct. But again, Amazon, anywhere that books are sold.

Maos America a Survivor's Warned very important. Thank you so much for speaking out about this and telling people this and speaking out and these you know, the beginning of the struggle sessions that are there. Thank you so much for a message that is so needed and a historical context and perspective that is so missing in America that people can find in your book. Thank you very much, Thank you, thank you she Van Fleet. Thank you very much.

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