Well, welcome back, and we're talking to Goatree, who has been on with us several times before, and we wanted to talk about cyber Polygon cybersecurity issues and things like that, and we're going to talk about that. But as I connected with Goatree, he said, I've got something to say about what you've been talking about this morning, so let's start with that. Welcome Gotree, thanks for joining us. Well, good morning, David A. Saul was great. Great to be on with you. It's like I was
saying, you get on these subjects. I had a show prepared and I listen to you and it is so strange. We're working on projects like you were talking about and the stupidity of everything that's going on right now, and I thought, well, hey, you're on a trend. Let's run with it. So is it artificial intelligence that you're working with some of that stuff that they faked the demo? What is it that you're working on the alliance
with what I talked about? Absolutely, it is artificial intelligence, but it's not what people consider artificial intelligence. Instead of turning it into the master, it's being turned into the slave. And secondly, just so everybody knows Artificial intelligence is what the unwashed masses here is. If you want to talk to serious people about it, it's advanced intelligence. Oh you start dropping bard advanced intelligence, you're going to get the serious people talk to you. Oh okay,
Yeah, I thought it was hallucinating intelligence. Honestly, Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's like one great big acid trip. To quote George Carlin. So, I know you can't talk about specific details necessarily because of what you're working on, but I mean, what can you tell us about what you're doing with it? Okay? Well, actually I can because a strange I was preparing for your show, I happened to get a phone call
and I warned you. I said, you know, I'm bring to drop some stuff out there for David, and he's like, Okay, go for it. So you know how you were showing those pictures of those aborted babies, and how that political yeah person is exploiting it just goes to school safety. And I'm sure Alex Jones you know, speaking of that, we're coming up on your anniversary of you and Alex blowing you off separate ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're coming up to March thirteenth. Now I know
what you're talking about when I got fired. Yeah, but we went our separate ways in March, but it was before I got booted out the doors for security came around and took my stuff and escorted me out of the place. But yeah, it all began back in March thirteenth, but I think it was December the seventeenth that I got officially escorted out. It could be. I'll never forget that morning you taket me. Alex fired me, and I'm like, what is he stoned or drunk or something? Letting tuber up
and a sure him in the morning. Well, i'd been warned. I can say I'd been warned and I didn't care. You know, It's like, I'm not going along with this stuff anyway. But so yes, so tell us getting back to advanced intelligence, okay, or abortion. You were about to say something about abortion, I think, yeah, well, all the dotails into each other. It's not about abortion. It was about these school shootings and these kids. Children seem to be moving targets and extendable right
now. I mean, I don't know where this line of thinking caught fire. And one of the projects that we're working on is securing schools not only schools, but facilities. I mean, if you have the money, it probably could apply to your house. And it's non lethal. Is this one where detect weapons on people using artificial intelligence? Yes, inact, that's one aspect of it. But the other aspect is deploy is like incorporating quantum magnetics
and levitation, I know it is. Yeah, what is quantum magnetics and levitation? Tell us about that? First of all, that sounds interesting. Well, basically you are installing an invisible shield around the facility to magnetics and nothing to penetrate it once it's activated. Well, we're really in the initial stages of exploring this. Wow. But instead of locking the doors and locking the kids in the lockdown, you just say shields up and that's it.
Well yeah, but now if you're if you're intruders within the shield, we've got things that uh, basically so far from the envisionment of it, is along the walls of the First off, your your security officer are principle or whoever designated security person is, has like a sleep if they put on and they can control every aspect of about the system. That there's an intruder in
the building and you can't lock them out. You can give them a really good nasty blast of uh, some quantum material and knocks them on their butt, and you just leisurely go over there and take the arts, their assault or rifle away from them and do whatever tool. Maybe you could just play a Yoko Ono song or something disabled. Listen, don't don't tempt me. We were talking about that before. But that story, that's an interesting story.
But okay, so how do you disable somebody with quantum material? What is the quantum material that you're shooting at them? Well, okay, you're playing with magnetics. You've got to remember these are waves and you know we were you were talking about Yoko on them. We've talk about playing with the brown dude, you know them with some quantum magnetic it's going to turn them for a loop. Yeah, yeah, I guess it would. I don't know, I've never I've never been Taisard with quantum quantum nobody. Yeah,
that's very interesting. I'm not sure who begin anything to be on that experiment. Maybe Biden will mandate the military to do it. You know, it's seems to be a theme with right, so you know, first layer of protection of like the bear you're in then that then they got the diving tables. I was told when I took my Scowa diving course, they said,
we just did a trial and air with Navy divers. You know, it's like, okay, you go down this level and you come up, and you stay at that level for a certain amount of time, just trial and Error's like, you know, you bring the guy up. It's like, no, that didn't work yet, even a little bit further down because this guy's all bent. I mean, it's a but yeah, y'all doin that. Yeah, yeah, y'all give him this pool. Be a benefit for a little while. That's all we need. Yeah. Oh man. So
uh well, that's interesting. That's interesting because I've already seen some stuff where you know they're doing. It was some Navy seals are put together a company and they were selling the services to churches and to schools and saying, you know, we're going to UH and like use artificial intelligence to try to analyze if somebody who's got a weapon on them or something. And then I guess,
you know, call somebody who's going to physically intervene. That is also part of the UH program, right there, is what you just said, it is uh identifying the intruder before the intruder is able to get close enough to the facility. So in theory, if you've got AI giving a warning, which man, I don't think I'd be able to drive by school. I am a walking correct, But anyhow, it's up shields and uh basically uh identify as an intruder and that they're looking at other ways drone technology and
whatnot. Where in theory prevent these school shootings. And yeah, obviously for a while, you know, there was another AI that was called anticipatory intelligence, and they were trying to scope this stuff, which is a little bit of what you're talking about. When they first started doing it a couple of decades ago, you know, they had AI that was watching people walking around and things like that, and call swat team on somebody who's changing his flat
tire because this guy is suspicious. He's walking around this car. He's now squatted down. I can't see it because it couldn't see on the other side of the car that he was changing a tire, and so they called a swat team on him. So, you know, hopefully it's getting better than that. They call it artificial intelligence. And then you had the advanced intelligence. Yeah, yeah, letting you on and then keep playing with artificial intelligence.
And you know they didn't salty. I'm sure he enjoys all that, but it's the advanced intelligence you have to look out for. Yeah, and so I guess we've got a lot of different ais. We've got artificial intelligence, advanced intelligence, anticipatory intelligence. And I would call the schools a boarding intelligence. Well, it's funny if funny you say that, because this is
the system is not as expensive as you may think. I think in in theory, we would like to keep it around a million dollars to protect a school or government building or basically your dog if you wanted to. But there's no interest in it. It was like you were talking about with these abortions people seem to have, and I said, people, government, we're not looking at private people's money, so that you can't allow. Don't have no
pitch for that one. It's just where we're trying the government to uh help us out with it. But uh, it's like these like you were saying, with this planned parenthood, they've got money ringing on them. What do they do? They kill children? Yea, we are we kind of do save children and the duality of it, and we're using technology to do it. Uh, some of those you know, you're you're sitting there talking about
it. I felt like temper building and just so happened that I do want you to put this guy on your show one of these days because he's he'll represent it properly. He's the one I was telling you about. But uh, you know, my tempers building because he's out looking not you know, he's trying to get funding to actually do something that will protect children, and you're sitting here talking about the planned parenthood getting all this forgiveness and all this
money that when John, what do they do? They kill children? And it's it's like, what in the world is going on with our society? Yeah, well, I just take a look at the military industrial complex. I mean that's you know, then, as Juliana Sience said, the goal is not to win a war. The goal is to perpetuate a war,
to have it go forever. And you just have Zelensky who comes in and you know, Biden decrees that he's going to give him, I forget how many millions of dollars, but you know, Congress is supposed to approve this stuff. I mean, we just are so what it is so out of control, and the weapons that are being sent to Ukraine or leaking like a sieve and going everywhere, including to terrorist organizations, and of course the all
the weapons that were left behind in Afghanistan or going to terrorist organizations. I mean, we literally are always and all of these conflicts, we're arming both sides of the conflict and knowingly doing so. They continue to put the money there, no accountability whatsoever for any of this stuff. And so yeah, it's all about killing people and you know, on both sides, and they
just keep it going. It's amazing. Well that's technology and theory could apply to individuals where yeah, you have to shoot the tempes all day long and not arm a person. But they're more fixated on taking weapons away then the next level solution, well even to take away even take away bullet proof vests, right, got to take away bullet yeah yeah, and you you know, you shouldn't be allowed to sell an insert that somebody could put in their
backpack and then use their backpack as a shield. Oh no, one can't have that. Well, I mean it's harder to kill them. Yeah, and that skill stuff. Remember, yeah, I talked about that at one point time, at one point and for wards, I don't know if they still seld or not. They had a bulletproof thing and it was a size
that you could insert it into your backpacking. And there was a situation where this guy had had mental illness issues and he'd gone to the FBI and he said, you know, I need to take a look at me or whatever. But he couldn't get them interested. And he winds up getting on a plane and Alaska and flying to Florida, and he was able to go through all the airport security and somehow he took a pistol with him and they never
caught it. Of course, you know TSA's failing significantly many times. But he gets to the he gets to Florida and he starts shooting people in the baggage claim area. And so I said, you know, well, if you had one of these things in your backpack that you could take on with you on the plane. Says, they won't let you a normal person take a take a gun, but they'll let a psycho take a gun. I
said, at least you could use this as a shield. And I was attacked by the Daily Beast or somebody I said, they said, look at this, he's shamefully profiteering off of this shooting. It's like, what's that profiteering off of his shooting? It's crazy anyway, Yeah, you know what's nice. So we're profiteering off these school shooting. That's right. We're living in crazy land. Nothing makes sense anymore, that's right. I was struck
by that when I was doing the research. You know, you said you wanted to do a cybersecurity and I was struck by just how absolutely ridiculous this is. Last night, when we were talking about this, I sent you that article I had written from twenty sixteen addressing infrastructure stuff that everybody's going with. The Chinese are doing, the hackers are doing it. All they've done is change the names. They've changed the technological names. And this is almost
like ten years ago. It's like, any people, here's how you fix it. And you know, so frustrating. It is like this every project where you're trying to advance things and do something that that's a benefit something they didn't do. It is beneficial to society. If you're ridiculed for yeah, yeah, is like you with the school backpack. Wait a minute, you're just trying to save a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you
send me the article. This is something you wrote back in I think it was twenty sixteen, if I'm correct, Black Energy three, Trojan and the Ukrainian infrastructure attack. Now we've just had in the last couple of days the biggest Ukrainian infrastructure attack that they have seen. But you talked about this,
what is it seven or eight years ago? And it was something that happened December fifteenth through January of two thousand and I'm sorry, December the twenty six twenty fifteen through January the second, twenty sixteen, as you wrote, a massive worldwide surge in cyber attacks. I truly thought a global cyber war had kicked off. I'm still suspicious if this was rehearsal for a big show. And here we are nearly a decade later. So what do you think you're
talking about it? Yeah, well, you see, you see that time frame that was used on that Ukrainian exploit. That time frame is coming up because people don't understand this. In the holidays, everybody picks off. So from about December twenty through January second from third this is hackers. Fun time.
Everybody's off, everybody's off. You've got the sports trained guys sitting there, the guys strayed out of the the Internet school of cybersecurity with their you know, their degree, sitting there and they don't know what's going now. I mean they very protect their own laptop, much less a whole system.
And this is going to go off this year. I would suspect that it's going to go off between December twenty and January second and third, and idly enough, you get to buy my movie out and then you've got all these warnings, you know, red lights, warn'ting warning, and it makes me suspicious and shit, all like eight years ago, nothing's changed, only the
names. It's no longer that packer. Yeah, it's perfect. I've got a well thirty second clip here about people talking about the Washington Post saying there's a whole bunch of Chinese cyber attacks. I want to talk to you about that. Here's a thirty second clip. So, guys, John here, are you ready for the massive cyber attack because it could have just started. China has now alleged to have attacked the US infrastructure. Hackers affiliated with China's
People's Liberation Army had infiltrated critical services here in the US. This is one point one million views in the last couple hours. Every mainstream media outlet is talking about this. What they're not talking about is this eerie connection between Barack Obama's movie that just came out and I watched it last night. It's pretty shocking because everything that they were talking about in this movie is now happening today.
Yeah. I talked about that yesterday. And of course the little clip that I played as cyber Apocalypse has happened, and it was Netflix money that they gave to Barack Obama Michelle Obama, and what they produced was this cyber apocalypse and the little clip there is like and one more thing, don't trust any white people. You know this? So, I mean, that's what they're selling, racism in the midst of an apocalypse. I mean that these
people will never stop with their hatred of white people. It's amazing to me. But yeah, what's going on? I mean, is it really something? How How do they know? For example, I'm suspicious right away because it's a Washington Post. And I'm also suspicious because you know, we've had vaults seven and you know that's been put out a few years ago, and that was the tools from our government about how they could spoof to be anybody
that they wanted. They could look like they were any country, anyone that they want to do when they hacked into other people. And now not only the manual, but then eventually the code got published. And so how can anybody know that this is the Chinese? For example? I mean it could be the NSA, could be the CIA, right, how do they know? Well? Absolutely, you know, uh, the Chinese. Now let's put this so this is where it gets all uh really to the point where
he's confusing. It's convoluted. But how do you know that's Chinese? Haven't a recruited a diversity hire to do it? Mm hmmm, Yeah, it could be something simple, Yeah, you know, uh what was that congressman, the gucy one? Uh the straw which one well da of communist Spice. So I mean, for all I know, maybe he's fined. I better not say that. Yeah. Yeah, point man is he had some
Chinese honeypot or something that was he was shocking up. Yeah yeah, Eric swallwell, yeah, whatever became of that, he center home said hey, we can't do this no more, what happened to that? I mean, yeah, we don't care, right they who maybe wholesome hearings on it, but like hearing that they hold, they never do anything about it. But yeah, you're right, it could be the very old fashioned type of thing
that's happening. And again if they break into something, you know, you look at the Washington Post and you look at the fact, Oh it's Chinese that are happening. We've got cyber attacks that are happening. Okay, well, maybe there are cyber attacks that are happening, and you can speak to
that if you see that kind of stuff happening. But if there are cyber that's the only thing we know, the cyber attacks that are happening for them to identify the Chinese, we know that is who our government wants to identify as the threat in all particular cases. They want to use it to establish a precedent to shut down social media websites with TikTok. So, of course the Chinese are going to be behind anything that's bad, But they don't know.
I mean, there's absolutely no way that they can know, right, No, it's trying to form a narrative. Yeah, you know, The old school terminology for this was IoT, you know, Internet of Things. Yeah, I don't know what grand name they changed it to. They do this, it's very self serving and using. When they change the name, it's like like that packers are now threat opportunities or threat something. Basically, they've been doing this since the dawn of computers, but we've got to change
the name of them so that there was less in the note. We can keep our jargon exclusive and other people don't know what we're talking about. You see. So this is what these guys are doing, is trying to hike this up to the point where they have exclusivity on the narrative. But going back to the infrastructure, we did a ten test I don't know, twenty fifteen, twenty It was a wayback. It was for a pipeline gas pipeline like Colonial, except it was an insider to do it. We took a
theater line down with a hammer. A connectic attack, right, a connectic attack, Yeah, the Meanderthal attack. What it was. These allowed tea carts or bout the size of a credit card. And have you never had a sprinkler system at the housework's housing? These little plastic of containers where you just pop it open the sixth time and all that. Well, I think they housed this when they had a little cliff up there. That was the
security. You walk up there with a pair of wirecutter, says, I'll whack it with a hammer, and it just starts a whole system of the domino effect and pretty soon you've taken down miles of a pipelight. Wow, just with a hammer. But they haven't improved this. It's still all these years later, and we could write a finger fall off telling these people about this, and he's still there, and you've told me that story about one
industry after the other. They'll hire you to identify a threat, you know, figure out where our vulnerabilities are and you know so, and then report back to us about how you were able to break this system here. And then you report back to them about how easily the system was broken, and they do nothing about it. They wait till the factory across the street from the exploded and they'll say, well, we're better do something about our security.
So you give them the solutions or whatnot, and they go, well, this costs a lot, maybe we'll just well lucky, I'm feeling lucky across. Yeah, I don't know. And so we see this over and over right now again, going back to this twenty sixteen thing, you said you were suspicious that it was rehearsal for something that was bigger, and we've got the World Economic Forum talking about something that is bigger. Here's our favorite Bond villain, uh talking about what else happened when I grew up? Hang
On? When I grew up. I want to be like Charles Schwab for complex hang On, which would bring to a complete haunt to see powers of blind transportation to the services our society as a whole. Wow. The COVID nineteen houses would be seen in this respect as a small dist films in comparison to a major side on an. This guy can barely contain his enthusiasm, you know, and he does everything except go at the end of it. What a curtain villain hescome, isn't he does? There's good use for I
put that on there with him, exactly exactly. Yeah, it's so you know, he's warning everybody, he's warning everybody. But you look at what they have in the World Economic Form about this, and it's almost like, you know, well, if you could do this, then you could get that. You know, it's almost a manual, you know, like everybody says nineteen eighty four was not supposed to be annual, but they use it that way. Then I can imagine that they're using his cyber polygon thing as
a as a manual for what they want to do as well. There's no different than Dark Winter. Remember that's right when you were on top of that. I remember, I think you know what, I sent that to you way back when you with the first broadcast you did. It was like January third, I don't remember if it was eighteen or seventeen. And you know how to cheat. You caught over that. Well, you're a conspiracy theory, you're this, you're that, and suddenly boom, you were the leading
authority when they kicked it off. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and you told me you were seeing a lot of chat about Dark Winter two and so yeah, so let's talk about that. And you know, is this going to be a real thing or is it going to be another dress rehearsal. Are they going to amp it up to the next stage? And I think they ampted it up to the next stage. But yeah, it was a dark Winter too, and you know they had practiced it for twenty years,
essentially nineteen years. Well, klass Swap sitting here, class closs Peop wants to call in Charles Across. It's basically so excited about the plans that they have for everything. He's telegraphing what they have planned in the future. Yeah. Yeah, then he'll take you, He'll take credit for Yeah, I warned everybody. It's like you probably from the blueprints, you know, so different than the Dark Dark Winter. You know, these guys are so
excited about it that they're telegraphing it years ahead of time. And uh this like they click you played. He can't contain himself. It's like, look what we've done. Just imagine we're going to see some global power because and people are like, well he's not just ignoring and the guy saying, they're clearly telegraphing what they have planned. Yeah, yeah, and it's just a digital dark winner, Yes, yes, exactly. And we go back to
again, let's that was twenty sixteen. We talk a little bit more about that. But if you go back to just this last week, stories about what happened in Ukraine, major cyber attack on the Ukrainian mobile operator disrupts banking services and air raid sirens and all the rest of this stuff. They said, this is the They've had a lot of different cyber attacks since the war has happened, but this is the one that had the most impact on anything.
Damaged infrastructure at a mobile operator, forcing the company to shut down network connections to contain the incident. They've got about twenty five million customers there and the Kiev Internet thing that was affected, and so it shut down communications, which also included people being able to be warned about air raid sirens and anything. But it shut down the banking industry. That was the key thing that they did this last week, and so it had a lot of effect.
And it seems like it's always, at least so far, not necessarily a direct attack on the grid or on a pipeline, or on a bank, or on planes, but they get these ancillary systems that everybody depends on and they can't operate their business or safely operate their pipeline or safely operate planes to attack those things to take down the whole system, and then everybody says, oh, well, if we don't have that, we just shut the system down, we can't do anything. Well, yeah, it's been that way
for years. People have been lulled asleep on this, and those of us that are right here said, hey, hey guys, you know, here's here's a real problem you might want to look at. Let's solve it. It's like, well, you're a conspiracy theorist. Go way, well, here's the data. We're not interested, we're busy, and that's the way the games played. And yet you've got to take you on the other side. Bill Gates, who I knew since was poor. He was poor.
Look at what he this guy's doing. He's out there wreaking anarchy, destruction, the whole home nine yards and everybody's taking him like some sort of big a party. Yeah yeah, and uh, you know, Bill g he don't need money. People throw money at him. So he go on destroy and kill and he goes back to what want to start the conversation with is what in the world are these people thinking? Yes, yes, exactly.
Now. You know, when when you look at this and you're trying, somebody calls you when they've had a Yeah, a lot of times they'll call you to again try to find vulnerabilities and identify them. For them. But a lot of times they'll call you after something has happened to do an investigation, and you've told me many times that it's usually an inside job. Surprising,
isn't that interesting? Yeah, talk a little bit about that, you know, the motivation of these ransomware attacks or some other things like that, it's usually somebody on the inside or more. Ka. Well, let's say you like to go on. Well, I gotta be careful with that one. Let's let's say you're you're okay, David, You're you're looking at a retirement at your age, and you're you're an executive of let's say ABC Pipeline, and you're like, I'm really disappointed in my retirement package. How can
I fix this? Oh? I know I can internally launch a ransomware attack and select millions of dollars. Hey, I just solve my retirement problem. Yeah, you get that free? Do you want to fire me while I quit? I retired, free room and board in the prison for twenty years if they catch it, right, that's one retirement way. Well, yeah, when's the last time you read about a hacker going to prison for anything? That's right? That's right? Yeah, I mean, look, at
the Colonial pipeline. When's the last time you heard anything about that? Suddenly they discovered it and they drop it like a hot potato or take the note ten all that guy, Well, I mean you had the Holy East Coast without gasoline for days or a week, that's right, and that's some pretty
extreme stuff. But you didn't know about anybody getting charged to anything on that, that's right, that's right, or even you know, if you have a government system like you know, the FAA shut down as many planes as they had on nine to eleven after math, and and that was the not tam system and that went on for something like twelve hours or something like that, and they said, oh, you know, it's not a hack. We haven't been hacked. We can't get hacked. And then immediately after they
came back online, Canada went down for the same thing. And that's this auxiliary system that notifies everybody if there's some kind of a problem at an airport or a runway or something like that. And when they when that thing broke down, they just said, all right, ground the planes. And so I always have believed it'd be interesting, too interested to know what you think
about this. But I've always believed that the not TAM shut down at the FAA and then following with that with Canada and there's only lasted about an hour and a half, but it happened sequentially. I've always believed that that was a cyber at that they didn't want to admit to. Sure. I mean I've sent your videos and articles of people literally sitting on the plane hacking it, you know, I mean you've got to be pretty low IQ to crash, you know, be sitting on a plane on a crash which flying on.
But I mean they did, it doesn't exist. I guess they got a grimblac app for that, right, just like the Twilight Zone, right, you know, I mean, why as well start writing movies about this stupidity, but it would be probably be more productive. But you know, let's go back to you remember the Norfolk Southern train wrecked up in uh Ohio. Yeah, and how we were looking at that and I sent you that clip of this railroad worker opened up one of the shanties and here's the computer
system, here's the here's the radio. Oh look the passwords are written on the wall. Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah I heard to this. You know, you just walk into the little shed, and it's like, let's not We're gonna keep losing this thing, and I keep getting calls in the middle of the night. Let's just write the password on the wall here. Yeah, I can't remember the password. Let's write it down the wall. So all you do is cut the lock off the little shack. You go
in there. You can play on the radio, you know, it's like whatever you decide to broadcast on radio, or you can tap on the computer and have trains doing all kinds of fun things. And you know, look, look at what happened in Ohio. Is the impact that had. And yet you can cut the lock off of a shack and pretty much seized control of a railroad line. Yeah, oh yeah. You know. Do you remember Adam's family where Gomez is always crashing his toy trains? Yeah, well,
you know you could be doing that in real life. He's so insane. Right to put upgrades in there, and remember, passwords is hard, and we cannot do hard things in this country anymore. Yeah. It's with all the signs alongside the highway road, you see them all the time, warning zombies ahead, warning you know, t rex or whatever. They put all kinds of crazy messages on there. And the reason that that happens is because they ship them all with the same password and nobody wants to even change
it. You know that the default password is right there in the manual as you sent me some of some of the stuff showing that they've got the password in the manual for the other equipment as well. Absolutely so, I mean, but it's not just that industry, it's everything. These are the back doors, yeah, these default passwords, and it doesn't matter if they disclose what they are or not. It is the back doors that control the system.
So instead of relinquishing when I sell you of software, instead of relinkquish control of it, I have got the back door. Mm hm. We may not. You the owner of it may not, but I do. Yes, yes, And you've pointed out you know, there's different levels of it. You know, the developers will put in the back door, the
owner might have it zone you know, access with a password. Governments will get their own access to it. So there's all these different people have access to different aspects of the software there with the back doors, and you know it is uh, it's amazing to me because as we look at our as our system becomes more and more complex, and even with the extent as Jack Lawson, who I've talked too many times about all this stuff, he says, you know, you look at how we've got our just in time delivery,
and so that means that at all these different stages of product manufacturing as well as delivery, you've got all these different thinks there, and all you have to do is break transportation or break one of the those links, and you got the system all balled up. And then we saw, after he and I talked about that, we saw what they did with the lockdown, and so we have this very fragile system of distribution and manufacturing that is very
complicated and distributed. And then we also have all of this automation and computer programs which are all very vulnerable, very vulnerable, even the extent were talking about earlier about Vault seven. They stole that from the CIA, the NSA, all these guys who are supposed to be the most sophisticated, they got hacked and had their stuff stole. And we've had all the Pentagon personnel files hacked and stolen and things like that. So none of this stuff is secure.
And so the question is you know, as he pointed out, as the World Economic Form put out, and let me just show people this Internet governance. This is from the World Economic Form. What happens when somebody underscored that the Internet shuts down? In other words, not a question of if, but it's when it happens. And as they point out in their article,
it is when we're talking about a shutdown. They said, we're talking about the government doing it to its own people, and they're doing this everywhere. But of course that's authoritarianism. But you know who cares, right when you've got this the kill switch, Yeah, that's right, the kill switch. Yeah. But you see right there, you go back to the WA there they are right red flashing letters predicting, not predicting, but actually telling
you it's going to happen. That's right, that's right, and saying it's going to happen before twenty twenty five or sometime you know, in the next years. So sometime in twenty twenty exact time, twenty twenty five, and so everybody's trying to make a guess as to when it's going to happen. Personally, I think that it'll be, you know, a situation like we saw with nine to eleven where they'll pull this off after the next election. And I think a large part of that is going to be to try to
this this next president who comes in after the twenty twenty four election. He's going to take office in twenty twenty five and I have four years, and it's going to take us right through all this twenty thirty great reset stuff that they want where they want their new society, and they're by twenty thirty, so I think they will pull something like this off. They will use it
to reset the board, to reset society. And I think a lot regardless of who happens, who happens to win this thing, they're going to be the tool of these people to change society a lot you saw back in twenty twenty. You see that the means theell accomplishes through will be a new and improved Patriot Act taking even more rights. Yes, I've got the yard people out there, and he seems to want to stay unto my office, Linda with them. That's okay, it's not too loud, it's okay, that's
fine, Okay, Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens. Now, let me ask you about the f thirty five thing that happened because we've just had a story that went public in the South China Morning Post, and it was a Taiwanese lieutenant current all who has been arrested and charged and the
charging papers. The allegations from the prosecutors about this guy was that he was talking to the Chinese about stealing a Chinook helicopter American helicopter, and he was going to fly it to a rendezvous part place and turn it over to the Chinese, put it on their aircraft carry They were going to then give him a new life in Thailand with his and some money with his girlfriend. And
so they found out about this and they arrested him. But you know, when we look at the F thirty five, you and I were joking about that. You know, the F thirty five, they've hacked the plants, they've reproduced the plane, maybe not everything in it, but you know, maybe they did everything in it. We don't know. We can see the
outside. They reproduced it, they hacked the plants, and so it is certainly conceivable that they had the capability to hack into the F thirty five and even again yeah, and once again using the colonial pipeline it was an insider that was going along with the program. M hm. So, but do you remember a couple of years ago where the Chinese was actually literally hacking destroyers American destroyers in the South China Sea and we were going back and forth on
that. I showed you how they did it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know, I'm more worried about a nuclear arms ship being a compromise on the F thirty five. Yeah, that's right, But this is all history and once again he raised red flag. Hey, they're going to take over your ship. The people of the personnel ownership, they're
just going to be bystanders. M h And I want to take it series and hopefully they've been hopefully, I mean, for all I know, maybe corrected these Okay, I'm fishing gonna throw a brick at the dude with them. That's one of the reasons why you were laughing about it with the F five. You said that, can you imagine the surprise of the pilot He's going on all of a sudden. It's actually what happened now that they disclosed.
He's flying alone man, his own business thing. He knows he's being ejected down the plane and the only question is a lot of people said, so, then what happened to the plane? And they came up with a cover story that was never made any sense that you know, nobody saw this plane. You got one guy that they talked to. It's like, yeah, I heard, but do you see anything? No, I didn't see anything, you know, And so supposedly this this plane went down right away,
but that wasn't the original story. So a lot of people said, so they hacked this thing and they fly it to rendezvous where they can you know, grab this thing or what is? What is what really happened with it? But I don't know if you heard anything else about that F thirty five. Oddly enough, it's like the Colonial pipeline, but it just goes dark. You know, give everybody thirty seconds there, it's interest span time, and don't forget about it. Yeah, oh yeah, you know,
anybody brings up, call them a conspiracy theorist. You know, hey, you know we already told you what happened there from there you didn't, Yeah, yeah, we did, conspiracy theorist. Okay, you know, yeah, yeah, that's the way the program works now, absolutely. Yeah, And going back to this article about black energy, three, the trojan that you talked about back in twenty sixteen. Again, this is a Ukraine an electric grid attack. And at the time you said a lot of this stuff
is smoking mirrors. You said, pay attention to this one thing. What was it that they should pay attention to? You know, David has been so long ago, I don't remember. Remind me you got black energy, three plug ins, a file system, operation system information, parasitic infector. Fact that it was remote You believe that it was remote execution? Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, it was a rap remote access basically remote access control. And I mean if you can install the malware, that's
a rat. I mean you picked the facility, let's say three Mile Island just because it's infamous. I could sit here on my iPhone and have three Mile Island doing all kinds of meat stuff. There's no different than what would happened in Iran with their nuclear reactors. Well, they're program overspeed systems of where it collapses and puts them out of business for years. It was basically that type of thing. You don't have to go in there and create explosions
and chaos. You can destroy equipment that take two years to rebuild. Yes, yes, you know how you know, when I was talking to Jack Lawson last week, he said, yeah, okay, we got the cybersecurity stuff. But he goes, look, you know you can you already had a situations on it. Theoretical, you can have a situation where some people can come in with a gun and shoot up a transformer, and it takes a long time to get those transformers replaced. And when you look at the
fact that our borders are wide open, it's no wonder. You know, that's just a that's a physical example of how cavalier and disinterested our own government
is about protecting this country. It's infrastructure and other things. Because any state and enemy of ours we're talking about the Iranians or the Chinese or whatever, they can all just walk through the border and they could just start positioning themselves in place and taking out our entire electric grid with physical damage that isn't going
to be booted back up again. They could do that very Do you find it strange they all qualify as a diversity higher Yeah, exactly, a diversity spies we got, yeah, you know, And yet we goes back to what we were talking about with the Patriot Act, in the TSA. You and I cannot get through the airport. We're American citizens, we have really I don't have any reason to harm America. But it was like the other nine percent of the Americans. We don't really want to bull up or we
live. But do you look at us. We're being molested, scan poke, proded, everything else. Just get on a stupid airplane and you've got millions of who knows who coming across the border spreading mountain. Yeah, hey, welcome to America. Oh yeah, yeah, they you know, they have to say about security. They locked the border down with the Trump orders, nobody's coming into this country, blah blah blah. But then when they have the illegal aliens, they were flying them around, you know, like
typhoid Mary. If they really believed this narrative, they don't have to wear any mask and we're going to transport them from point A to point B and no issues at all about that. We just had a picture. I saw a report. I didn't get into details of it, but they got a picture of a guy who stenciled on a Nazi swastika. I think it was a Jewish building or Something's why he did it. And uh and yet they got him on surveillance footage and it was a Chinese guy, and it was
an illegal alien Chinese guy. Now, what he's trying to do is he's trying to create social friction by doing that, putting a swastika on a Jewish facility. But he's Chinese coming in to do this, just trying to mix it up, you know, just trying to get people fighting with each other. Yeah, well that's one of the programs. But I think it was you and Joe Biggs that went down to the border that didn't yell or was it just Joe Biggs himself put down that alta camp right across the board.
No, that's Joe Big So I wasn't with him. Yeah, okay, okay, Well I knew you and Joe ran some exploits and y'all really yeah, yeah, he really uncovered some startling stuff. We got into the asymmetric warfare facility at the place that's now been renamed something else, but it was at the time it was ap Hill. And yeah, but Joe went to the border on his own and found that camp there. Well, sure, if they have a camp sitting there on the border, they uh, they're
probably already here. I mean, I'm just got making crazy guesses. But why would Alka have a camp on the border. Yeah, that's right, And what are they And they probably got lots of pallets, one hundred dollars bills and weapons that were left behind in af guess. Yeah, yeah, they have all kinds of cool stuff that we aren't doing that forbids us from having Yeah. Uh you know, look at the at their names, those guys out out in Oregon. Uh that that they were doing those exposies.
Look how they were treating what were they doing. They were running catal on on land. Yeah. Yeah, you know you've got government out there shooting them. Yeah, Yet we had Alkeda on the border. We have people roaming around this country. We don't know who they are. They don't know who they are. We have the cartels again, yet we have the PA that keep ashake. Yeah, as you're talking about that, it is a you know, it is painfully obvious to everybody that our government does not care
about protecting Americans. It is trying to protect itself from Americans, It's trying to surveil Americans, and is trying to protect power abroad, and it cares about the borders of other countries, but not about our own countries. And I think a good example of this is this section seven oh two reauthorization. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors that are happening with us whether or not this is in you know, whether it's going to be in the NDAA or
whether they're going to vote on it today. Thomas Massey yesterday said I'm a hell no on reauthorization of the fives, a seven oh two program that allows warrantless surveillance of Americans. But it looks like the Senate will attach it to the National Defense Authorization Act tomorrow meeting today, and well the House will probably vote on it on Thursday. Shame, he says. And other people are saying that this is like the Patriot Act on steroids because one of the things
that it's doing, and I wanted to ask you this go treat. One of the things that is different about this one is that, you know, prior to this, the government has been able to compel anybody that provides communications, like phone companies and things like this. They can compel them to give information. But now this would give them the authority to compel anybody anywhere that is around any computer system whatsoever. I mean, it could just be a
person doing maintenance. It could be a hotel or a restaurant or a coffee shop where you sign on to their Wi Fi, and it could compel them to turn over their records or to spy on you and other things like that. I mean, they're really extending this. I mean, what does it tell us about our own government when they are this paranoid and conspiratorial. You're tough about that. And years ago I approach about the Long Lines building.
Here's your listener's a project, go search on a Long Lines building. The original one was in New York and it became public and they shut it down. Now you've got long Lines buildings in all the major cities. Okay. The program they used the exploits called Titan Fall T A I T A N F A L L. They've been doing this for years. It was illegal. Now they're trying to make it legal. Secondly, AT and T was
hacked a couple of years ago. You had quote hackers take all this information, your everything you have if you have an atn T account, they took it credit everything you know. How atn T got out of any kind of penalties or anything for that. They said, look at your user agreement. You agreed to this. Yeah, so that's how they get to get away with this. Then there's never no penalties because when you signed a user agreement,
you're basically giving them your permission to hack you. Yes, And they've laid this foundation quite carefully and done it iteratively over a period of time.
If we go back and we look at at and T in the middle of the twentieth century, where they were the phone company had a monopoly essentially, and they were collect you know, pen numbers on people, and it was actually taken to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court said, well, if you turn if you're using them for your phone service, that means all the information that they have on you belongs to them, not to you. And so they can come to them and ask them, I'd like to have all the
information about David Knight. They don't have to You're not saying, well, I'm compelling you to do this. Here's my search warrant. You just go to them and say I'd like to have all that information and they can voluntarily
turn it over. As a matter of fact, on January the sixth, we saw the Bank of America voluntarily quote unquote voluntarily, and I guess maybe they did try to curry favor, but they voluntarily gave information to the FBI about anybody who bought anything anywhere around you know, Washington, d C on those dates, as well as anybody who bought guns anywhere, and let them
coordinate all that stuff, and also about people who are flying. So you got all these different corporate spies out there who are putting the stuff in. And that was the key thing about CISPA and ACTA and SOPA and PIPPA and CISPA, CISPA Cybersecurity Infrastructure Act. They pulled out the P. The P was there to protect the companies who were going to turn the data over to them. It was to protect them from lawsuits from customers because if they didn't
sue them, because you'd give them information to turn it over. Yeah, oh yeah, it's in your agreement. Yeah yeah. Well I think part of it was, you know that you had some companies who did not want to turn it over, and so you know they could say, well, I don't want to do this, and I might get sued because I don't have it in my user agreement and So the government comes through with this new legislation and says, no, I'm not going to let them sue you,
so now turn it over to me. You don't have to remove their excuse to remove anything. Where they would push back on this with reluctance, they said, now we've indemnified you against that, so now give us their information. And now they're taking it to the next step. You know, it's not just going to be your phone company or internet service provider. It's going to be any business anywhere, a restaurant, a coffee shop, anybody, a motel, all of them are going to be turning this stuff over.
So the facts, Yeah, but that applies to us, the United States citizens, not the illegals. That's right, That's right. Yeah. So you know you have to sit back in question what the motives are. You know. Uh, that's like with this tech, technological security and these technological advances, Uh, there's none being made. You know, you go back to Ukraine, you're you're you know, we're reading what they're predicting right now in Ukraine. Ukraine seems to have become, uh the Petrie Dish of the
world. I mean, you know, okay, we got a new killing system. Let's give it to their military. If they get blown up, who cares? Yeah, Oh look, let's pack their infrastructure. Oh look, we can want you know, waundering money on an industrial scale there. And that's what I think. That's what's been at the base of a lot of these war since Vietnam. As I said before, you know, Vietnam is really about them testing out weapon systems. We don't care who gets killed.
Let's just stay there. We don't refine and test our systems. It will be a test bad. Oh okay, the Vietnam wars over, let's have another one somewhere else. They just keep these wars going. And as you said, it's a petri dish for all of this stuff. We can test cyber warfare, we can test kinetic warfare. We got all these different
weapons that we can test. Let's just keep the war going exactly. And you know, going back to what I was telling you at the start, where if you actually were able to use quantum magnetics and quantum levitation and all this quantum technology, we're right on the cusp of deploying you could stand all that. Can you imagine the bar that you have a net over a whole country and you can't have a rule because bullets are basically frozen in air.
Yeah, that is amazing. We're aim into some real sci fi stuff. And of course, you know they're starting to deploy laser beam or you should say higher G directed beam technology or whatever you want to call it. You know, antiballistic stuff as well. But you know, just real quickly back to the seven o two. Think the reasons that you look at this. A lot of people poop who would say, Yah, it's nothing new and
it's nothing dangerous and there's nothing to see here, move on. But one of the reasons that a lot of people are concerned about this is because you had a PHISA court friend of the court posted a blog to warn people about this, and as one person said, I can't overstate how unusual it is for a PHISA court am a key to take to the airwaves in this manner. And so they're concerned about this and how it's going to be used internally,
and we'd be foolish to ignore it. But this is our own government to hack our identities, to follow us, to spy on us with everything, and of course that this seems to be every day I see this innumerable ways that they want to you know, follow us, track us, you know, index stamp, index brief and deep brief us. As the prisoner said, and say something. It's just a sensational insatiable appetite to put us in an open air prison. Don't forget brain chips and chips not all that
they want you to have to after they back shoot. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing about that's the thing about our friend Musk is like, so you're telling me that you're you know, we can trust the world's richest man who became that rich because he did everything the governments around the world wanted him to do. And he's also a technocrat and a transhumitist. So yeah, what's to worry about it? Who wants to hack into our minds? You know, it depends on what ned
Elon wakes up with. You know, is he going to be good today or is he going to destroy the world? Yeah, you know, yeah, it truly and as long as he keeps up well, depending increased speech, well let's be good. Yeah. Oh yeah, I think he's playing I think he's playing a long game there. He has to be yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a game that he's playing that is going to be for his own good, because the way these guys operate, there's
not any of these billionaires out there who are our altruistic saviors. But everybody wants to believe that it's truly is amazing. There is no Tony Stark out there. That's a creature of the comic books, and it is comical that people continue to think that and to place their hope on that. It truly is amazing to me. But of course we've got Trump who's cutting up the suit that he took his mugshot in into selling it off for thousands of dollars.
That suckers. I mean, it's amazing what these people will do. And it's amazing. Again, I don't fault Trump as much as I do the people who are sending him the money and following everything and making him their little DEMI god, I mean, it's just amazing to watch this happen. And it never ceases to amaze me how these people here we are three years after all this stuff and people still haven't caught on and they get furious with
me. It's just unbelievable. You know, when I started telling about this. They don't. Yeah know, it's like a tax paying citizens. You point out, hey, dudes, y'all are funding your own demise, and they're like, shut up, a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, without the funding, none of this could happen. That's right, that's right. Well, we certainly do have an out of control government, and we have a government that's not interested in addressing known vulnerabilities. And as you've seen, it's not
just the government, but it's also individual corporations. Is you know, they hire you to tell them what's wrong, and then they don't do anything about it. And so you know, we've got the Congress who will hold a hearing, but they will never do anything about anything. So that's kind of where we are right now. We're kind of paralyzed in this system, that is, and it's really strange how everybody's just kind of frozen and watching it
happen. It seems no way to get anybody to activate to do anything about it, even in their own interests. You know, when you look at these people in Congress, they are when they allow us to be censored, us to be spied upon. Of course, there's somebody that is an interesting person and they're going to get the same treatment in space and they don't care about it. Truly is amazing. Well, it's always great talking to you, Go Tree, and thank you for coming on and talking to us about
this. People need to be aware of this, and you need to be aware that you can do some things about this, even if the people in power are not going to do anything about it. Always good to talk to you, GOA Tree. Thank you appreciate it. Well my first, David, you take care and I hope your health gets better. Man. You've made a really good Christmas album. Well, thank you. I really appreciate it. By the way, thanks for the plug. Find it at the
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