All right. Joining us now is Tony Ardaman of Wise Wolf Gold and Silver. And of course you can get to Tony's website directly, or you can come through mine David Knight dot Gold that Tony has set up to let him know that you came through us and Tony as you're watching gold Boy, that's having its moment now, isn't it. But it's I don't think it's just a moment. I think it's going to be a long, longer term trend,
isn't it. Well, it is, and yeah, this is going to be one of the biggest stories of our time, really, the revaluation of all currencies. I was looking at the history of the price of gold and it's you know, you go back to the nineteen forties when they established the gold standard Breton Woods in nineteen forty four and peg the dollar as the world's reserve currency is thirty five dollars an ounce, and it stays that way until Nixon takes us off the gold standard in August of nineteen seventy one.
It's thirty five dollars an ounce. Of course, David, if if you look at the nineteen seventies, have the Nixon Shock, the inflation. People didn't really understand what was happening. We had inflation, but that really wasn't part of the American story. That never really been part of our economy before. And if you look at the nineteenth century, the entire nineteenth century, there is no inflation whatsoever. So the end of the nineteen seventies you have
interest rates in the teens. Gold goes to eight hundred and fifty dollars an ounce in nineteen eighty, and we talk about silver all the time being fifty dollars an ounce in nineteen eighty, which is crazy, as you know, because the purchasing price of the dollar has plummeted since then. So we really don't know the true price of gold. And I have to all the experts and the mainstream media teleprompter readers and the financial networks that've all been wrong.
They've all said that gold was going to go back and be under fifteen hundred dollars an ounce or less. That hasn't happened, even with the FED raising rates. And of course when you raise rates is the Federal Reserve, just like Paul Voker did in the nineteen seventies, it's supposed to strain from the dollar in theory, that's true, but the d dollarization is happening. That's
you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but often rhymes. And you know, we talk about the seventies and you know O Pek and nineteen seventy nine you had the Ron hostage crisis four hundred and forty four days, a lot of that setting up, setting the stage for isn't amazing how history rhymes. You know, here we are rhymes. We're at we're looking at these oil and bargos and everything that Biden did and shutting down our domestic production and he
was our opek, you know. But it's the same type of thing, sending a shock through the system. And now we got hostages and we got Iran and we got all this other stuff back on the back on the plate again. It's true. And you know, I study history. I'm not an expert. I'm a paratrooper who likes books. But I'll go back and look at history and I think, you know, these things are are alike,
but we are in completely different times. You can't really go by the past because you know, you look at nineteen seventy nine and the Ron hostage crisis, Like I said, it lasted four hundred and forty four days. There was the old embargo, you had shortages. But we live in a world now where there is no Soviet Union. You know, the lot of the there was a cold piece. Really there was a Cold War, but
there was a cold It was held together by this East West conflict. And of course the Soviet Union disappeared and broke into sixteen pieces in nineteen ninety one. And since then, you know, the United States has gone around as the policeman of the world, hegemonic dominance, the dollars the world's reserve currency. We have forty sanctions on thirty six different countries. And then something called the CIA calls it blowback. I don't know why. There's a scientific term
for, you know, your behavior comes back on you. People don't like dealing with bullies. And so now we're looking at a again, a d dollarization situation where these all these countries want to get away from US, they want to get away from the United States dominated economic system worldwide. David,
I'm concerned that a lot of people You've talked about it yesterday. Your show was excellent yesterday talking about the warmongers in the Christian community, that really need to step back and and examine their behaviors and how they're looking at the world, how they're looking and using the United States military as an extension of their theology, which I think is so shortsighted. We're playing right into the hands of evil when we do that. And I don't think they really understand that.
This is language when you have Hamas and Israel. This is about Iran, this is about the neocons. It's about the the again, the Trotsky neocons that control so much of our foreign policy. It's very Israel centered, very Middle Eastern centered. You have multinational corporations again, the energy industry it plays a part in this. But this has nothing, almost nothing to do
with terrorism. It has everything to do with the global chess word. And uh, I don't understand it. I don't have the inside information, but I can tell you know if you're if you don't have a sober look at this, you're really going to get caught flat footed with what's going to happen to the economy. I'm looking at an article right now on market Watch.
This is from two days ago. Oil could sart a record high of one hundred and fifty dollars if Israel hamas war escalates further, says the World Bank. Yeah, show yeah, listen when when when I've seen several people say that say it could go up fifty percent or more. Yeah, real quickly, real quickly, and answer me who we're talking about? Ken Hagy. You know he's got this uh this church meeting where he has the political uh ambassador from Israel there on the stage. It's like, so is this church?
Is this politics? You know? And then he started, he gets up and he goes on this ran about how we got to sink Iran's ships and all this kind of stuff. This in the Bible. It's like, yeah, show me where that's in the Bible. Show me show me, Chad, like you said yes to show me chapter and verse. This is something they turned so many young people off, Yes, who are looking for an off ramp to the chaos in our world today. You go look at the hate that is on Twitter, that's on the social media, the people
that are ramped. There's a bloodlust out there. Yes, it's playing to the worst parts of us, Thank gosh, David. Three and four weeks ago, the right was anti war. We didn't like we could see through the Ukraine debacle. You know, that was very much the left's war in Hollywood and Zelensky and I get it. I called it a Goldilocks situation. Now you've got the right, they've got two wars. They've got us right where they want us. And this is going to lead to the again,
the reshuffling of the grand chest border of the globe. And I don't think people understand what this really means. This is language. We're left out of it. It's a big club. Weing in it, and I would really be looking for a way to protect your wealth. And this is something I'm studying every day. It's like, how do you or just take a look at Johnson, speaker Johnson, he was against Ukraine before he became a member of the club. You know why he's in there because now he's for giving
money to Ukraine. We got to stop Putin, and Putin is part of the axis of evil. And I said, well, maybe there were Maybe if we look at the axis of evil, maybe it is us. Maybe you were the ones that starting wars everywhere and demanding that we get into wars everywhere. It's crazy. And as you point out, you got a lot of people who are looking for an off ramp to this insanity, looking for
something that has based some connection to God. And you've got so many of these preachers that are out there just preaching war and hate and reflecting this bloodlust that we see on both sides and ramping it up. You know, I understand that's the human response to this kind of stuff. If you look at the pictures of what happened in Israel that Hamas did, it gets you really angry, It gets you sick, makes you want to throw up, and
they use that. They've got journalists that they bring in, they show them pictures of that. They showed it to media and politicians in Israel. What was being live streamed on the internet is it was happening, and they would go out in tears and throwing up. But you look at what is happening in Gaza now in terms of the Israeli bombing of civilians and gets the same
reaction. So this is polarizing everybody, and it isn't like both people look at both of these things and wait to say, wait a minute, how do we get out of this escalating violent cycle of violence. I look at both of these things and I just say let's stop this now. But instead they want to draw us into it as well. They want to draw America into this as well. Look, and it goes back to the end of
the nineteenth century. Had William Randolph Hurst, who told his photographer or if his artist, to send them down to Cuba, said you give me the pictures, I'll provide the war because he controlled so many of the newspapers. War happens every day, and I'm a veteran of three foreign wars. I mean, you show me a lot of horrendous, heinous, evil things that people do. Yes, it happens all over the world. And it's not just one faction. Governments do it. Terrorist organizations do it, criminals do
it. We must repudiate and stand against all evil, all violence against innocent people. That's where we ought to be right now, But instead we're caught up in these these You know, I'm standing with so and so. You don't understand how all of this works. And I think that's where people really
need to examine their hearts, especially as Christians in these times. And you've got people like you talked about Robert Jeffers yesterday, This guy, I mean, you got again, if you don't know history, then all this can seem like Armageddon and the apocalypse. We always have challenging times. There's really nothing new under the sun except the history you don't know. To quote Harry
Truman, I mean, this is the human story. There's always war and famine and upheaval and evil going on, but we have to stand against it. Don't get caught, don't take part in the darkness, to fight the darkness. And I think that's what we need to be communicating to me. That's right, Yeah, don't become the monster. You fight. Yeah.
It's amazing to me to see these people like Ken Hagen and Robert Jeffers and many others, and they'll pull out Okay, so here's my and they got these detailed, complicated charts that they've created out of the Book of Revelation, and yet they can't look at Jesus when he says, blessed other peacemakers. You know, take your chart and make a big sign, go in front
of your complicated eschatology chart that says blessed are the Peacemakers. Okay, and throw that other one away because it's being used to deceive you, or you're using it to deceive other people. Throw that other chart away, and just go with the simple, straightforward stuff that you're going to be held responsible for. It just makes me disgusted to see what these people are doing. Yeah, he's the prince of peace. Yeah, do you follow Jesus or do
you follow some megachurch pastor with a bloodlust. Yeah, there's a ton of them. I mean they want politics, they want a political connection. They know that's going to get that's going to get big politicians on their podium, and it's going to get them big audiences and all the rest of this stuff. That's what has happened. It's the Joel Ostein effect, but except Joel Austin is not. It's just going for money. He's not trying to kill
people in Star Wars. Let's give Joel a big hand because he's not as bad as ken Hagy and these other guys that are out there, not as bad. But I guarantee if it comes to shove, they're gonna be.
They're going to stand, and they're gonna This current foreign policy which is absolutely just and is short sighted, well and very short sighted, because you know, we don't want to lose track of the fact that what we're talking about is Christians is eternal, and so you know, whatever happens between people now on earth, or between nations, or if we get caught in a war, or if we get killed by these policies, that's just a small part
of the big picture. The big picture which Joel Ostein is keeping people from seeing because of his greed and his love of money, is that he's keeping people from seeing what is actually going to be the basis of their relationship with God. There's salvation through Christ. Instead, it's like, you know, you can save money, you can give me your money, and God's going to give it back to you in spades. And you know, if that's
what they're looking for, they've missed everything, missed everything. But yeah, it is. We do see the crimes against people. It's easier to see that than the crimes against God. And certainly these people are trying to After they tried to push us into the Jab and did push the Jab with a lot of people, now they're trying to push us into another war and kill more people, and that blood is going to be on their hands and they'll be responsible for that. Well, God knows your heart, he knows what
you what you truly value. Yeah, if you if you value if you have a blood lust and you have a lust for power or lust for wealth or whatever, that's that's gonna that's gonna stay with you. I try when I look at all these headlines and whatever I'm going to do in my life, I try to be for peace. I want to I want to help people. I want my life to stand for that because I've been on the
other end. Yeah, as a warrior, and uh, you know, took part in the Iraq War, which is an absolute criminal mistake, you know, pushed on the Iraqi people. If you look at what I mean, if you if you don't know the cost of you know, displacing millions of people and and and bombing people that are that are innocent, and you see the looks on children's faces. Have you ever been in a situation where you've had to help those people that you're never going to be the same?
Wasn't it Wasn't it worth it? It was worth it? Yeah, Like you killed a half million kids? It was worth it. What did you get out? Always always these smart set like a Macnamara, Right, Uh, you get you get you get a you get a McNamara type. That's uh, you know, from the corporate America and uh again they they have it all. It's all on paper, fifty thousand troops to control Iraq.
And then you know, fast forward five years later you have Congress talking about the surge and putting half a million right Donald, Donald Rumsfeld is another macnamara type, you know, when he's not pushing aspertain to be put into diet soda, he was pushing for another war in Iraq. So again I think, I think we need to step back. This is this is gonna get
even worse as we see the Grand Chess board being reshuffled. David. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about monetary debasement because that is right around the corner. Q t our fringe finance talking about that on zero hedge. Price of gold is hanging in there in spite of aggressive tightening campaign by the Federal Reserve, which is what you keep saying, real interest rates have gone up quite a bit, yet Goal has not reacted the way it has in the
past. This is a message here, a message that they can manipulate stuff, but only to a certain amount, right, Tony. I mean, this is like the you know, the analogy I think of as the you know, the wiley coyote runs off the cliff and he just keeps running on thin air until at some point he realizes that there's nothing underneath him, and
that I think is the point that we're starting to approach here. But they're going to weaponize this stuff against us, and so I see it as not just the monetary aspects or you know, what is going to happen to the price of gold, but this is has a whole new dimension to it now. I think that is going to be a real big part of this. People are going to flee to something that is for real. But also it's just the control aspect of that which is so dangerous, and we need to
have something to defend ourselves against that type of thing. You know, as one person said, gold is yesterday. Gold is for storing your wealth and silver is for exchanging in terms of you know, using it like a currency. Once it really hits the fan, and I think it's going to the question is how long we don't know we have a cloud and pivot currency. David, Yeah, that's really what it comes down to. The very few will benefit in the crash of the dollar. The coming crash of the world's
reserve currency, of the dollar. And again it won't it won't go from king dollar to nothing, but it's going to go from king dollar to prints dollar to viceroy or something to be. It's not going to be as important. And that's going to destroy the purchasing power. Maybe it'd be dowager queen or something. It's a lot of queens up there. It's going to affect not just our all around the world. And you know, there was something
that Lindon Johnson said. He is famously said he's his power is where power goes. The power is going away from the dollar. And one of the ways, you know, Jerald Salente says, this is when all else fails, they take you to war. Well, that could be what this is all about. You know, if you want to try to save the dollar, or try to save the standing United States, you start drawing lines,
you make people make, other nations and factions choose sides. And of course it could be just all of an event to cull you know, certain things, to do some creative destruction. We don't know, but I can promise you the dollar is on its way out. It's not tomorrow it's not next week. You start looking at what the purchasing price, purchasing power diminish, and again, where are you going to be when that starts happening. People
are going to they have normalcy bias. They're looking at what happened. You know that five years ago, ten years ago. That's important, but you're not really seeing the big picture, which is what you mentioned earlier. The Federal Reserve and Jerome pals raised rates faster than any time in history. Faster. I know it's been in the teens before under Vulgar in the seventies, but it's faster than any time in history. He's raising rates and having more
meetings and raising rates, and again that's supposed to strengthen the dollar. So why isn't gold at a thousand? You know, the first time gold ever hit one thousand dollars, David was in two thousand and eight, and in twenty and eleven it hit nineteen hundred, almost two thousand. Let me right at two thousand in twenty and eleven. So you look at the progression of
the price of gold. Really it's the story of the loss of purchasing power of the dollar right into the nineteen seventies, it's close to seven hundred eight hundred dollars an ounce. Again twenty and eleven, it goes to two. Then Berneki came out at the time, and this is just after TARP and the Great Recession, and he said, we bailed out these banks, we won't do it again because he saw the rush and people going to gold, not trusting the monetary system, so he said we wouldn't do that again.
But I want to remind your audience that the total debt of the United States in twenty ten was ten trillion. Okay, it was. It was five trillion in the year two thousand, right, and it's ten trillion. So we're at thirty plus trillion in climbing with one hundred and was one hundred and forty percent of debt to GDP ratio. It's some crazy number. And so
this is it's off the rails. We're not going back to a nice you know, an economy that ran like the Reagan era of the nineteen eighties where it's just kind of smooth sailing, or the nineteen nineties of the dot com era. All that's gone. You're looking at a lot of uncertainty. There's going to be a lot of change and the resources of the globe. That's why I'm looking at the price of energy and what this war in the Middle East is going to do. But you're absolutely right, people are moving to
gold. So the big again, it's coming back to why is gold price? Why is it? Why did it break two thousand last week? Because the rest of the world is moving away from the dollar. Central banks are ordering gold at a record clip, people like Shanghai. Give you an example, the people in Shanghai. There's a different price for gold there. Now I can go on you can go to Davidnight dot gold and you hit a
couple of links and you can find the price of gold. Or you can go to goldprice dot org and check it out and it's in real time. And I'm gonna promise you that you would think that's the global spot price, and it used to be except for places like Shanghai where that price and then add one hundred dollars and I don't even know what the next premium set is. So like I can't give you the price of a gold coin. Like here on my desk, I've got a one ounce go bar from the Australian
Perth Mint. I don't know what that cost in Shanghai, I can tell you what it costs here. We're starting to see the disparity between the West and the physical market and the paper market. All of this is coming apart. So I would have I have people do your own research. Look at this, look at these prices, look at the disparity. The reason is not only are governments seeking gold, but people around the world are seeking gold, even here in the United States. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah. I saw this article from the interview. It was published up on Bitcoin magazine, so it was about bitcoin. It was Mexican media magnet as Ricardo selingas Selinas rather, chairman of a big media company in Mexico, billionaire, and he says, buy bitcoin and sell bonds to reject inflation. But of course, you know when I look at it as storing a wealth, and that's what he says. Story your wealth and bitcoin is what he had
to say. But when you look at that, I keep looking at it, and it's like, well, okay, I just don't understand it as well as he does. And maybe a lot of these people who think they understand it, maybe they don't understand it as much. As they would like as well, because it was a story that I had last week about a guy who's a billionaire. I forget which one it was, and he had about a million dollars that was taken out of one of his wallets and he
didn't even know it. Some guy knew it. Some guy knew that somebody stole this out of his wallet because he's looking it was a big transaction and he's looking at large transactions, and he was able to determine he knew that it was this guy's wallet. So that's how public this stuff is. And you know, so I look at it, and it's like gold is simple, Gold is more private. And you know, in the future, if you really want to have some kind of a gray market or a black market,
I don't see bitcoin really doing that because it's too visible. And then also you have people who seem like they know what's going on. You get tech billionaires and they're getting ripped off a million dollars at a time. That's the kind of stuff that concerns me. But I looked at this and I said, well, you know this, this Mexican billionaire, he had it. You look at becoming a billionaire, you know, getting some getting some gold, and you know, keeping that. And I'm proud imagine he probably
does. In this bitcoin interview, he was talking about bitcoin, but I imagine he's probably got a lot stored in gold and silver as well, because again it's simpler. You can have a thief that can come in and take this physically, but it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot simpler to deal with. It's a lot more obvious to deal with than it is the cryptocurrencies. I think there was an article up on Reuter's that said, will bitcoin replace gold with its fourteen trillion dollars market cap or whatever it is.
No, it's not going to it. And I like I like bitcoin. For the record, I had some of the first Bitcoin ATMs that were in this country. I like bitcoin. I think it's great. I think it's part of this story because we're moving away. This is the era of fiat currency. You don't every currency on Earth for the most part is is by decree. It's fiat, the Latin term, you know, fiat by decree. There is no value in those currencies and there's going to be a big
reset there. Gold is part of that. But gold, and again that billionaire would have a hard time placing an order. If billionaires, David, if billionaires and very very wealthy people, individuals and the countries are doing it, it's a little bit easier to move, you know that. You know, I think China bought like twenty nine tons of gold in September, some crazy number. But if if just billion billionaires and billionaire started buying physical gold
and silver, there would be none. And it's it's barely available now, which you would think, you know, economics would kick in eventually, you know, just just supply and demand would drive the number up. It has it yet, I believe that it will. I don't know when that day is going to come, but I know last year there was a really big story. There was a h It was a woman from Texas, I believe
she's a billionaire, went to go place an order. She thought, well, I'll just get you know, some pre nineteen sixty five you know, current US currency, the dimes, quarters and half dollars, and I think she got a bunch of ordered Meyrior American eagles, and it was it was millions and millions. She had to go through six different exchanges and the way time was about four or five months, to have the order fill. That was one order wow wow. So if it was across the board, if
billionaire started to do that. I mean Peter Thiel a couple of years ago bought fifty million in gold. They recently sold it. Pallenteer, they recently sold it, but they had fifty million in gold bars, and they were kind of starting a trend. I thought I would see more of it. But still the market is very alluring. You can. You know, the millennials buy more gold than boomers or or Gen X, except that they buy
it on paper. So there's still that way that people think they're buying gold that and go get an ETF and they say, well, I own gold. No you don't, because if you sell that ETF, they're not going to pay you in gold. They're going to cast you out in fiat currency. So really the physical is the market, but we haven't transitioned into that yet. People don't realize because it's this is a very niche thing. You know, let me talking to you every week about supply. Most people don't
hear that. They don't understand, Like you go to your local people come into my shop and they think they're going to get X Y, and Z. They're going to get it right now, that's not how this works. And I tell them, even if I drive down to Dallas or I go to an exchange, I'm the dealer, they're going to tell me to way mm hmmm. Right. So I remember, you know, I had put
that in my my IRA, aheaded in paper gold. And a few years ago when they started seeing some movement in the price of gold, it wasn't happening that much and moving in the same way or the same amount, and the paper gold and what is going on with that? And there's a lot of articles at the time, and it's like, oh wait a minute, it's coming through the shame high Gold exchange, and there's all these middleman and
there's all this, you know, perhaps manipulation in the market. And you know, so that both gold and GLD and SLV, you know, gold and silver, you can get ETFs and what you're talking about with paper gold and paper silver, and so yeah, I mean it's of course you can do a metals IRA as well, and you can help people with that. But that was a thing that really I looked at. It's like, oh, that's something that's going on here that I don't like, I don't like
derivatives left derivatives became a really dirty word in two thousand and eight. To me, it's like, I'm not interested in real estate derivatives, and I'm not interested in derivatives on top of gold or silver. But now you've got Goldman sax Is doing derivatives on blockchain stuff. I mean, it's just and derivatives on bitcoin. To me, when I start seeing stuff like that as an indirect level, it looks to me like, you know, there's a
scam right around the corner. And what it comes down to is counterparty risk. If you hold some thing that that entity can create more of at will, you do not really truly hold an asset that I think that's fundamental. You hold it like I've got it. Here's a here's a one ounce gold American Eagle. This is one that David Knight dot Gold customer is. I'm going to be shipping this out to them soon. I was going through some inventory this morning. There's no counterparty risk in this. You you buy it,
you hold it, that's your gold coin. You buy a stock, you're at risk for them to create more of them, especially if you if you hold dollars they're creating them right now. I mean it's gonna be worth less tomorrow. So it's something that people need to understand them. Gold is money, Silver is money. Everything else is debt, not just credit anymore. Everything else is debt. That's right. Absolutely. We'll tell us a bit about what's going on right now at wise wolf Gold. Well, always
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Yeah, so we've we've got a lot going on. I got a great team somehow, you know, it's God's providence, and I'm just so thankful. I'm humbled. It started out with me and my chocolate labrador in San Antonio, and somehow I've got six people. I got a whole family that works over here at the Branson shop, and I've got Kinsey closing deals and trades for me. She's runing my head trader. And then I've got I've got Dennison. So we're really thankful. We've got a good team.
We're just our mission is to keep the supply chain open, to fill orders and to answer any questions you might have. And I would tell people I've been where you are. If you don't have a lot of money, I understand. And that's why I started wise Wolf, because I was interested in just getting you know, coins a little bit at the time, and I'd go into shops David and people would want to know how much I knew before they would tell me anything about the items that I wanted, I don't do
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problem recommending it, and especially not any problem recommending you, Tony. So I really do appreciate it. Folks. We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. Thank you, Tony, appreciate it. Good talking to you. We'll be right back decoding the mainstream propaganda. It's the David Knight Show.