INTERVIEW Getting Off the FINANCIAL Grid

all over the place. Tell people what it's about and where they can find where these different events are, where you do a deep dive into the future of money, sovereignty and how to battle the digital central central bank, digital currencies. Tell people where they can find that information on what's coming up.

And then the back half of the book provides step by step instructions as to how people can do what I've done since twenty nineteen, which is I exit using a personal banking account twenty nineteen, and I've been living on gold, crypto and silver, and so this book outlines how to do this. What I found was people read the book and said, wow, okay, now I understand what the threat is, but I just couldn't take that first step to actually either getting a crypto wallet or even

even buying gold to take into physical custody. So I designed these four hour workshops, which we're now doing all over the country to basically go through the book, but then to actually empower people. So people that come out of the workshop will have a crypto wallet, will have crypto, will have a gold back, and we'll go and we'll hear my full explanation of how I live on these things on a day to day basis, how I pay bills,

how I do all of it. Because this is really the step to the only thing we can do to stop the central bank digital currency tyranny is to stop using the dollar. We're not going to vote our way out of this, which we could talk about in great detail. So on my website Daylightfreedom dot org. There is a tab called Empower, and Empower lists all of the places that we are looking to host workshops. We have three that are scheduled already that we're selling tickets for for

the rest of this year. Our next event is in New Jersey on October the fifth, Then we have one in Omaha on Saturday November ninth, and then we will be in Nashville on Saturday, December the fourteenth, and we're going to continue So we're going to continue to need I will be doing probably one of these a month throughout all of next year. But those are our next next big events and so they've been really successful so

far because it really has been helpful. But in addition to that, on my website, there's an informed tab and a link to alternative assets. And this is an important section because this lists all of the things that I'm currently using on a day to day basis and living outside of the banking system, and this list changes, so.

because that's the key thing everybody understands. What is how the tyranny is rolling out of Washington and the Fiat currency allows them to bribe and blackmail everybody at every level, whether it is state government or local government, or whether it's hospitals or whatever. They're always bribing and blackmailing people with their cash, and that is the heart of the tyranny that is there, and it's also going to affect us materially if we are not outside of that system.

That's very important. But you also say that we already are in CBBC tell us a little bit about that your position.

interested in having a Bitcoin as an alternative to cbdc's. Basically, they destroyed the use case of bitcoin, which was supposed to be Bitcoin was supposed to be digital cash. Now it's this store of value that you're never supposed to spend and you're supposed to buy through black Rock, and there are multiple intermediaries, and that is the exact opposite. So Roger who was probably the most influential person in spreading bitcoin from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, he actually

earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus. So he was the first person to accept bitcoin as a retailer. He was the first investor in bitcoin companies. You know, he probably gave away tens of thousands of bitcoin, and he was there when this hijacking took place, and he wrote about it, and now all of a sudden his speeches is suppressed, and so I.

the system. As you point out, it got hijacked. It now became this you know, store value that's going to be speculated on it, and all of the big investment companies pouring into this, and the fact that they've now added ETFs on bitcoin other things like that. They have completely jumped onto this thing and turned it in to a speculative collective, haven't.

figure out who is buying and selling what. And the problem with this is that means that they can flag one bitcoin as saying, well, this particular bitcoin can't be used it's on a blacklist, while whereas this one can be used, which means that it's no longer fungible because one bitcoin is actually not the same as another bitcoin. They're actually so it loses its fundamental property, which is why one of the things that's happened in the last one hundred and twenty days or so since I was

on as I've actually moved completely into privacy coins. In fact, i've put that first at privacy first on me on the list of criter like and sorry, Xono, z A n O and Minaro are the two predominant ones that I use. Xano is interesting because Xeno is actually built on some of the same technology. The developers behind it were actually behind the technology that Minero was built on. So these are people that have been in cryptography and cryptocurrency for for over a decade. But what Xeno allows

you to do is also create privacy tokens. So I guess the simplest way for me to say this is, you know, crypto and even cbdc's is tokenized money.

a regulated liability network. And the idea behind regulated liability network is they want to take our non monetary assets. So they want to take our stocks and bonds and other assets and apply the same technology that they're applying to CBDCs, so that now all of our assets, not just money, can be programmed, tracked, and censored. And so when this financial collapse happens, they'll be able to basically try brands for our non monetary assets with the click

of the button. And so that's kind of a horrifying prospect, but it's one of the things that I've been studying in terms of what the US has been working on. And this Regulated Liability Network project is a project between the New York for a Reserve mit, five of the largest New York financial institutions, the Bank for International Settlements, basically all of the players that you would not want designing a token system for your for digitizing all of your non monetary assets.

shift for me. And one thing that I found is it's very important to educate people on the need for privacy because I.

they want to be celebrities. They want to have a lot of followers, so they're constantly pushing content out about their life. They don't want privacy and they've been trained not to look at it. Before we move away from Monaro and Xeno, which I've not heard of before, and I talked to people who are doing pirate coin as well. What is your take on pirate coin? Have you ever looked at that? What's going on?

any extra steps to make them private. And then there are coins where you can take extra steps and add privacy to them, so Bitcoin, cash, light coin, z cash. These are I guess I'll call it privacy optional. And so my sole focus is on that universe as a potential solution because you know, again I interviewed Roger about his book Hijacking Bitcoin. Three weeks later he was he was thrown in prison the same prison John McAfee died, and my.

mixing services. So this is really accelerating. And so what people have to understand is the why behind this, which is the government doesn't want alternatives to what I'm going to say is already a CBDC system, but that has graduated tier levels of tyranny. And you know, they're the ultimate form of CBDC is a global digital currency backed by energy credits that is completely programmable, tied to a social credit score, where where it's a cash list system

and all cryptocurrencies have been banned. That's the highest level. And I've actually created this little CBDC tyranny and that's where they're moving to. But we already have a system today. Our dollar today is already digital, it's already programmable, it's already survailable in a way that people have no idea how bad this is. I mean, people are like, oh, yeah, I see these politicians, whether it's Ted Cruz or Elizabeth Warren talk about, well, we have to make sure we

don't have financial surveillance. And meanwhile, between the Patriot Act, the Bank Secrecy Reporting Act, national security letters where they can actually shut off your bank account and you can't talk to anybody about it, including a lawyer. Now we have the IRS working with banks to monitor our financial transactions using AI, and on and on and on.

of businesses have been denied service. And we've seen this in the health freedom space, We've seen it in the food freedom space, and on and on. And what this should tell everybody is that the money is already programmable. And when I say programmable, if you've ever had a

health savings account or a flexible spending account. Give an example, optim Bank is the largest provider of health savings accounts and health savings account an optim bank it is a bank, it is a financial institution, and you're given a card and you can only buy reapproved medical items at certain times and at certain locations, within certain limits subject to auditing and reporting. That is programmable digital money using the existing system. There's no big upgrade that has to happen

for the tyranny that everybody is worried about to kick in. Essentially, the Federal Reserve runs on an Oracle database. So money is created when the federal government issues and iowe you to the Federal Reserve. Metal Reserve then creates that money out of thin air as an entry in an Oracle database. That is basically the genesis of money. And then the federal government writes checks, pays bills, pays contractors, does whatever

they do. They write checks, and then you deposit those checks into a commercial bank, and the commercial bank creates a database entry out of thin air in an Oracle and Microsoft or Microsoft database back by the Oracle database entries created by the Federal Reserve. This is the existing system. So the existing system is digital. Ninety two percent of our money is digital, and it's using these centralized databases. And so I think people are not largely aware of that.

And certainly Oracle and Microsoft databases are highly programmable.

And this is the real issue when I talk about, you know, the financial system, and you're talking about the fact that we're looking at the end of the reserve, the dollar reserve, the petro dollar is now totally dead because Saudi Arabia was a lynchpin of that, and they're now taking payments and other currencies and they're stashing up on gold. Where does gold fit in on all of this? When you focused on monaro and on Zeno and privacy

coins and things like that, what about gold? Are you using gold and silver on a daily basis?

and that initiative is expanding. And then I have an account through Alpine where I can buy gold and silver online and transfer amongst gold, silver and gold backs, and then I can even transfer gold and silver to a Visa debit card, so I don't ever have to store any value in fiat currency. Now there is some centralization

to that. So one of the things that I'm working on, and this is what I think is kind of the holy grail on this is imagine you take Xeno, you take the privacy features of Manaro, which is essentially what Xeno offers, and now you start tokenizing gold and silver. So now people can have a currency that's backed by gold, silver and gold backs, but that can be traded with

all of the convenience aspects of a private cryptocurrency. So to me, where we're headed towards is a multi asset approach, and I think that there's a way to combine privacy, tokenization, and precious metals. And in fact, I'm talking to numerous people who have vaults and who are interested in this idea as well, where you can really increase the velocity of the spending of precious metals through tokenization, and then you know, if people have to withdraw the physical metal, then there's

probably kyc AML at that point. But then there's an ability to when you're not actually directly pulling out the physical metals, to use these privacy tokens for day to

day transactions. So today for me, it's a balance of privacy tokens and gold backs and gold and then I'm really excited about creating user friendly tools wallets for the consumer that have all of these assets, and a point of sale system for merchants where the merchant can very easily accept multiple forms of privacy crypto and gold and silver and then can convert whatever they're accepting to the

reference currency of their choice. So it makes it easier for them to pay, to pay bills and have stability with store value.

or am I wrong about that? And what do you think about that if you know about it.

one's new. We just had New Jersey become the forty fifth state to not have sales tax on gold and silver, So even New Jersey surprised. Of course, it's the ones that are still doing and are pretty much the usual suspects that you would expect, like Hawaii and things like that. But Kentucky was in the mix and that that really kind of surprised me. But other than that, the other four were pretty pretty much what you would think. But

it's starting to catch on. There's a lot of people I know here in Tennessee who had centated nicely, is very concerned about what was going to happen with a financial collapse with mismanagement by the Federal Reserve, but also focused on financial transactional privacy and that's the thing that really and so he was trying to set up something that would help local banks. You know, they have what they called a state bank in North Dakota, I think it is, and that has served them well through the

depression and other things like that. But the banking industry really pushes back pretty hard if you start trying to do that, and a lot of the banks, small and medium sized banks don't really understand that they're on they're about to be cut off, and so he was trying to show them how this is going to help them, but they came after him when he started doing that. But he's still come through with a lot of solutions and there's other states that are working on that as well.

And so I think it's very important for us to understand that it's not just the instability of the Federal Reserve, it's not just their bad policy that is going to have economic consequences for so that we want to escape by being in gold and silver. But it's also this privacy aspect that you've really focused on, which is so important,

and how to actually get out of the system. You know, right now a lot of people are just in the in the mode as we are here, just trying to collect things that are outside the system like gold and silver, but not really sure how to use it on an ongoing basis and how do we connect with other people and make this practical.

All technology and ideas go through kind of an adoption curve. You have the innovators, which are two and a half percent, and then you have early adopters which are roughly thirteen percent, and then you have early majority weight majority, and then laguards. And so the point is to focus on the innovator so that you know you're not at too many levels

removed from people's understanding of these systems. So the people that are in the Second Amendment space, if gun store owners are already intimately aware of problems with payment processing, as are people in food freedom and health freedom and these other sectors, and so the idea is to put together tools to make it easy for these merchants, and then to combine these merchants and make it easy for people to realize, oh, hey, there are places I can

actually go to use these alternative currencies. And so as we're re'refining the technology and building out the merchant network, then we can go to the next layer, to the early adopters and start expanding it out. So it really requires just focus on making sure that we're not trying to go mainstream too early, because you know, the technology needs needs to evolve or usability and simplicity.

thousand dollars. He said, no, I didn't do that. He didn't realize that he just had about a million dollars stolen from him. And so that that's the key. You know, when we look at this, and I assume that you address this in your empower stuff. The security issues of having these wallets. That's one of the things that concerns me about it. When you have when you go digital, there is the capability of being exposed to every criminal all over the earth. You know, if they know what

they're doing and you don't know what you're doing. Talk a little bit about that. The security issues.

you and and literally physically steal your coins. That is an actual issue. So the so the first thing to do is to use privy coins. But then within that there's the issue of how do you keep your privacy coins safe? Because the issue with this is, I mean there's a saying not your keys, not your coins. You know, you have your private keys to your crypto, but there's no customer service. If you lose these, if you're hacked or you or you misplace your keys, then that money's gone.

There's no there's no one eight hundred number to call. And so generally, so generally what you want to do is you want to keep most of your crypto in what's called cold storage, where it's not actually on a device that's connected to the Internet in any way, shape or form, or on a mobile device, so you can use part there are things called hardware wallets that you

can buy that can accomplish this. You can also use something called a paper wallet, which is a paper wallt is where you basically have an address that has a private key, but that wallet has never actually touched the internet. So you move your coins to this and it's never touched the internet before, and then when you need to use the coins, you restore that wallet to a hot wallet that's connected to the internet and then you spend it.

So that's another mechanism, And there's a whole wide range of things including you know, you can take old cell phones and completely wipe them and just put your crypto wallet on that and then not have it touch the internet, keep it off until such time as you need to use it, and so there's a whole variety of different mechanisms that you can use. And then on an ongoing basis. I mean, right now, I'm using a wallet called cake wallet because I've focused on privacy coins and there aren't

many wallets that have that focus. Cake wallet was specifically built originally form and narrow. They've added other coins and they are soon to add Zano as well. And what I like about it is that it's an open source wallet that has had an emphasis on privacy, but it's also user friendly, there are features in there.

the movie theater, So that's often. You know, there's kind of a continue Just as there's a continuum on the Tyranny Index, there's a continuum on the Freedom index as well. The ultimate scenario is one where we're all using privacy coins peer to peer with no intermediaries, and that's where you want to ultimately get but we're not going to get there today, so for right now, you might have

to actually buy gift cards, buy debit cards. But I like cake wallet because it's the easiest that has a bunch of built in functionality, open source, and has a focus on privacy coins. But I still only leave in a live wallet a month's worth of kind of operating fund funds because you just assume that something could still go wrong for whatever reason, because certainly there are hacks

going on every day. But once you really look at and understand and consider that the filter reserve runs on an Oracle database, and your local bank runs on a Microsoft database. And I think it was in twenty seventeen there was something like one point five trillion dollars of economic losses due to database integrity issues and hacks and everything else, and that number is on the way, on the.

a little bit about how that works. I mean, is that something that is available people outside of New Hampshire. I mean, you know, how do you convert that monaro to a debit card that you can take to the movie theater.

now that can be used anywhere visas accepted. So I have a so there's a long rate.

But yeah, it's so, and I've had other cards now just as part of the I mean, I want to call it gamification of my life living on crypto, because as things have changed, I used to use something called a vippay card years for three or four years, I use BitPay, and then all of a sudden they severed their relationship with their financial partner on that and so I received seven days notice that you know, in seven days,

I can no longer use that card. So now I actually have a number of debit cards, most of which I don't use, but I keep in reserve in case something happens to crypto dot com or something happens over here. I'm not in a situation where I don't have any ability to.

no experience with crypto at all. So if I'm giving them twenty different tools, it's going to get a bit lost on them.

is accepted. And I also have something on there called Sprits Finance, which I want to talk about as well, because one of the big pushback when I say I live on crypto, people like, oh, yeah, right, how do you pay your electric bill? How do you pay your mortgage? How do you do some of these basic things? And it turns out Sprits Finance is a solution for that. You connect to Sprits Finance, and so I put in my Verizon account and my Varietony account number, and then literally I pay directly.

a large amount of the value. So so that hasn't been much of an issue. And there's there are no fees with the bill pay service, for instance, there's no I'm not paying extra to use my crypto to pay my Verizon bill where you get fees. And the challenge still remains with all of this is in acquiring crypto

in the first place. And with these privacy coins there's only one exchange crack and that I think you can even buy minero, and most of the crypto exchanges are going to be moving away from privacy coins, so you ultimately have to buy some other coin and then you have to use a service to convert your transparent coin to a privacy coin, which I also outline, And so there is somewhat of a transaction fee involved with that upfront to get involved with these assets in the first place.

And so that's probably the area where you have the biggest, biggest fee generation.

look at what they're likely to do. I would think that they're going to start attacking these sites like cracking and so forth. Are they located outside the United States? How vulnerable are they to pressure and attacks from the United States?

is going to be the savior on crypto. And I've actually read the legislation that the Republicans in the House have drafted, and none of it is pro freedom, none of it is pro privacy. It all gives more control to the banks, and it all adds more reporting. So there's no Republican win from the standpoint of privacy or even really self custody. Either way, we're going to get

more regulation, more reporting. And this is Cynthia Loomis, Senator from Wyoming, who puts the bitcoin eyes and her profile picture and who everybody thinks is this pro crypto person. She is explicitly against privacy and explicitly against everything that's not a transparent blockchain. So this is I have no this isn't going to get easier. It's only going to get worse, which is why I think people getting into these privacy coins and starting to use them in a

parallel economy as quickly as possible. Is the is the right way because again they want to ratchet up to tyranny, So they want to take the existing digital system and they're going to move to ban cash, They're going to move to add more programmability. This is just kind of baked into to what's going to happen, and so privacy coins are really our only way out, and certainly gold and silver as well, but unless gold and silver can be spendable and actually used.

in the foot on this. And of course I think cz who is the CEO of Binance, is still in prison. I think he gets out of prison in a few days. He is serving a four month prison term. So the US has been horrible on this front. Now, ultimately, you know, people, you want to get to the point where people are actually earning money in crypto, right, this is the way to go moving forward when people are actually using this not just to buy and sell things, but people are

actually earning money in crypto. And I know people that have been doing that for a while as well. A friend of mine here in New Hampshire, Free State's been living on crypto since twenty fifteen and he actually gets paid in crypto. He only works on projects where he gets paid in crypto. So there's a Again, it's a process, it's a continuum of how we get to where we need to be, which is people using peer to peer cash and earning in peer to peer cash.

at what is happening. The younger generation is not driving cars that much is going to be very they're doing that on purpose or making it difficult for them so that if they don't have cars, they're not going to really see the need of it. That's why it's very important for you to get people to start to see how to safely use this stuff and start to adopt it so that it's not something that they know about,

something that they value. And if you start to get a big community of people who know how to use it and value it, then at that point they will start to push back and defend it. Right now, what you see happening with these politicians. Politicians are out there trolling for voters and they're trolling for donors. And you know, Trump just got seven a half million dollars from Crypto Political Action Committee, and yet he goes on and he talks about it. He doesn't know anything at all about it,

and he doesn't care anything at all about it. And that's true, as you point out to Ted Cruise, any of these people, they jump onto it because it's a

political position. But at the same time, especially coming from the Conservatives, they're going to say, well, we've got to have visibility on everything that everybody's doing, you know, because of drugs or because of whatever issue they want to attribute this to, as if that is something that can only be done with with a crypto, as if it's not being done with the current financial system and cash and all the rest of this stuff. So it is

a it is a troubling thing. And I guess the question I have is, you know, when you get down to just you know, only cracking that is that is doing the privacy coins, is you know what what is?

arms race. It's always staying one step ahead. I will say the capball is going to have a feature where you will be able to buy I believe that man Aaron Zano directly within the wallet using a credit card or a debit card.

Of course, the whole point of crypto to begin with was peer to peer digital cast. So even the idea of exchanges is kind of overblown, right, I mean, it.

being in a money transmitter business. So if you came to me and said, hey, I'd like to buy some zano from you, you know, here's one thousand dollars of cash, I can't do that because I don't have a money transmitter license. And that's why, you know, my friend eating is in prison for eight eight years, so you can't even do the person to person stuff. So it's constantly standing on top of new technologies and solutions and ways

of working around this. But there's no doubt that there is no doubt that regulations that no one is proposing a regulation that makes exchanges easier to use or that lessons the reporting bird. No one, there's not a piece of legislation that does that.

Hampshire's got Liberty Conspiracy as guards program. But it is a crime what they've done him, a crime what they've done to ross Albrick and it is a real can you know when we look at this that that really that's when they pull the veil back and you see what these people really are. You see how much they hate free speech, how much they hate privacy, how much they want to control and track everything that we do.

And it truly is amazing. Once you start to look at these issues, you start to realize what vampires they literally are. It's just incredible, isn't it.

selling privacy and in particular for young people. There's a Cato survey that thirty three percent of gen z I believe are okay with surveillance cameras in the home, federal government surveillance cameras and the home to monitor for domestic abuse. So we have a really big disconnect. We have older people understand privacy but aren't necessarily as tech savvy, but the younger people are tech savvy but don't value privacy. So in order to get to where.

the key thing, and they're coming for us. It's not only have they laid this out that we're going to control what you eat, what you do, and all the rest of stuff, but we're also seeing this applied already politically. We've seen Nigel Farage, for example, debanked. It's not just the Operation Choke Point coming after the gun stores or anything, but we've seen it come after him. We've seen them

debanking AfD people in Germany. If you are their political opponents, they come after you with everything, but especially that that's the way they're going to shut people down as through the financial system. So that's one of the reasons why we've got to have financial privacy. Just the same way that they're coming after speech, they're going to come after that type of privacy as well. It's very vital and so I really do appreciate what you're doing. Again, tell

people where it is. It is Daylightfreedom dot org. You can go that's Aaron Day's website. There a ton of useful information there. Click on the empower button and you can also find out where he's got these different in person what do you call them, presentations, classes or whatever?

seventeen when it was hijacked. They're buying this idea that this is freedom money and that this is the way out of CBDCs, and in reality, they're walking their way into a surveillance asset that's been captured by Black Rock and captured by the banks. And so it's it's it is not the answer to the problem. It's actually becoming the problem. And the person literally wrote this book is not able to talk about it right at the time

when he should be able to. So you know, you should be interviewing Roger Veer right now, not me, but but you can't because he's stuck in Spain. And by the way, I will also.

thank you. Pull that back up, Travis against it. Thanks for your excellent work and dedication of truth peaceful interactions. Thank you for mentioning Ian Freeman God bless. Yeah, that's who Guard is working with. Thank you, folks. And by the way, you want to get gold and silver, don't forget Tony Ardaban. He's set up David Knight dot Gold.