INTERVIEW G Edward Griffin

dog got well real fast. I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer, and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is not going to last very much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog. Would you please do that for my husband?

because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff. But great to have Joe Griffin on. Thank you so much for joining us.

us to talk about your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries and books and especially in terms of going against the grain of conventional wisdom. Tell us a little bit about your background.

change my direction substantially. And even though it was painful and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations, I found out that it was a better direction than the one I was on originally. And this my life, is full of that. And some of those those tragedies along the way were very serious illnesses too. I was still very young, in my early thirties, and I had a wife and a couple of kids to support, and I had a collapse, and I had two doctors tell

me I had multiple sclerosis. Not that was I didn't really know for sure what that was. I knew it was bad, but when I looked it up in the in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man, this is a bad way to go out the door. And I thought I was dying, of course, but it was a misdiagnosis. I had exhausted myself. I had it rather. I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders. I thought I had to save the world all by myself, and so I was not getting a lot of sleep. I

was a young guy. Of course, I was doing a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that kind of thing. So I would go from one town to the next and drive a good portion of the day to get there, get there and be taken out to dinner and then put on an evening presentation and then meeted somebody's house afterwards.

percentage outside of the brit Society everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know, everybody would want to buy me some wine and we'd drink wine and talk about life and the world events and so forth. And then I get to bed late at night or early in the morning, get up in the morning and drive and do that over and over again. I came back and I was planning some trees in

my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed. And take a long story short, I was I had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in my body, not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude, always filled with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things. And I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to worry about that because I was young, right, Young people don't get sick, So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis.

It turned out not to be that. Once I got off of my routine and started to find out what this world was all about in terms of nutrition and rest and avoiding toxic things in your body and in your environment and so forth, I recovered rather rapidly, So in retrospect, it was very good because I learned how to live, and I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time, I was really pretty well stuck in bed,

and I didn't know I could write. I had gone to school, I had learned, I'd learned about communications. I would stage plays. I was an actor, a little child actor. You can imagine anything worse than that. I did a lot of early day.

more of the same. Television was just coming online in those days, so I was taking courses in television and radio communications.

and they're very well received. Would you like to write a book for us on that topic. We want to publish a book, and we think you could do it. And of course, at that time I had never written anything, and that was not my I did not identify as an author. I identified as a communicator on television or radio or something like that. And my dream was to go to Hollywood and become a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when this guy called me and said,

how would you like to write a book? That was the last thing I felt I was capable or interested in doing. But I thought instantly about hawwity. He's offering me some money, and here I am in bed. I can't do anything else to support my family, and we're running out of money. And so I found myself saying, oh, no problem, Yeah, sure I could do that.

when it was time to write. And it was kind of like looking at an old movie where you've everybody's seen those scenes where the author has to write something and he's on a typewriter and he types a few lines and he pulls the paper out, crushes it and throws it on the floor and that's no good, and then this is no good. I went through that in spades.

I started to write things out, and the first thing, you know, I had this idea, I can't write this because how do you how do you approach a topic so huge as this was my book on the United Nations, my first book. It's called The Fearful Master A second look at the United Nations? So I wrote down, how can you write about something like this? It's like a huge globe made of glass, so large that you couldn't grasp it in its entirety, and you couldn't hold it.

How do you write a book? It's like having to move a mountain? How do you move a mountain? And then I found myself writing, well, you dig and then this is my first spade, And I looked at it. I said, well, that's kind of clever, And the first thing I know, I extended that and the next few pages came pretty fast, and by the time I got to page seven, it was roaring along. I found out I wound up. I've looked in the in the wall at the wall, my gosh, I can write, and I'm

having fun doing it. So I use that as an example. I wouldn't be here talking to you today if I hadn't had this illness and that event that forced me forced me to make a right turn in my where I thought was my career path. And at that time I didn't think I was going to live anyway. But so it forced me to make a change that affected my whole life. I hoped for the better.

a lot of other people. That's a real important life lesson.

started off in one direction. All of a sudden, I'm writing, and I decided I wanted to go off on my own. I decided I wanted to do I wanted to reach out to a lot of people, and I wanted to use my skills that I had acquired in communications. So I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films on important issues. And the first, the first attempt, was to write something on a documentary film on money and inflation. And then of course that led me blankly to the

topic of the Federal Reserve system. And I'm off and running now, and I had no idea how much voltage was in the wire that I was about to grab hold of. On that one if I had, if I had even an inkling of how deep that topic goes, and how broad it is, how many things it covers, and how profound, profoundly important it is to our lives, our liberty, our lifestyle, everything, I would never have tackled

it because it was far beyond my reach. I'm the last person in the world to write about things like that. I'm a kid that was a child actor.

wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and I saw that all these young people there, the guys and gals, had talent superior to mine, really, and they were busting tables and washing cars, waiting for the big chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood and the lifestyle and all of the evil things that were there that I didn't

like at all. And it became clear that if you, if you didn't tolerate those things, or if you didn't participate in those things, your chances of getting that big break were pretty small. So I quit all that and I went to work for a large insurance company and I got a job in an underwriting department of preparing group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing. So that's what I was doing when I decided to

start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made that change is that I don't know who it was, but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations. I think that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well, I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I

knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It was our last best hope for peace, they told me, and I thought it was true, and so I was very much in favor of the UN and as a means of avoiding war.

in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks from where our corporate office was, and I had some time in my hands that day, so I decided to just drop into the library. I never thought i'd go into a library again after I got out of school, because I thought that was where you punish people for doing bad things. And but any way, I went into

the International department. I wanted to check out a few books on the topic of the United Nations and in particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as they called them, and to see if I could learn more about it and prove that this college professor had it, you know, was wrong. So I checked out a few books, and even though they were all written from the friendly perspective, they were all friends of the UN. Many of them were either employees or former employees, or they had positions

professional positions which depended on their being friendly. A lot of some of them were academics and academics, I discovered would never dare go against the UN anyway. So I read those books and I recognized that they were biased and so was That was the beginning of it reading their own works, and some of them were quite frank by the way I learned about the war and Katanga Patrici lu Mumba. The War one Katanga and affric was really an eye opener for me. In fact, that's how

I opened my book on the United Nations. It was with that section on what happened Katanga. Basically what happened is that there was a communist revolution in the Congo with Katanga Province of the Congo, and the so called colonial powers just left. They there was betrayal I think at the highest levels in the government. I think it was Belgium, and they just withdrew their troops and all their law enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over

to the communist revolutionaries. And that was hard to believe, but there was an evidence. And so when the troops went out, there was mass slaughter going on and it looked like it might be racial, but it was not. It was economic. It was getting the colonialists out. That was the word they use the capitalist the capitalists out and get the socialist in power again. So Congo went

into total chaos. Blood blood all over the place, and production stopped, the economy crash, people were starving, people were robbing each other. It was total chaos. I fear we're in America going to get somewhat like see some of that ourselves when we make that step toward total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's what happened, and so the UN came long A said well, look at this chaos. We've got to put put an end to that. And they were said, yes, yes, that's what you're for. And we're

the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay. Well the peacekeepers went in and there were multiple provinces in the Congo and they were all in total blood drenched chaos except one. The one shining exception was Katanga was headed by Moischambai and Moischambie had been to some universities in London and had come to America, and he understood the principles of free enterprise capitalism and he was standing firm and and his his province was like it had always been, and chaos

was all around them. So where did the UN send the peacekeepers there there. It didn't it didn't send them any place else where the chaos was. They sent them where the chaos was not, and they literally overthrew the Katanga province and put into chaos also. And well, when I saw that, it documented so clearly, and in many cases by the employees and officers of the u N itself, uh where they bragged about doing that in their own words.

When I saw that, that changed my life, because it was a red pill, you might say that I saw life the way it really was. And in one book by the the I think it was an Irish general from Ireland. I can't believe his name anyway, the Big Thing book, how wonderful he was in the Congo doing all these things on behalf of international cooperation and peace

and so forth. And he's time and again said well, you know, when this issue came up, we lied in the press conferences as all bureaucrats do, and he was sort of like, well that's the way it is, folks. I'm glad you're reading my book now you know how it works. So Connor O'Brien that was his name, General O'Brien, and I realized that these people actually boast about some of the crimes they commit. And that was my changing point right there. And so my first interest was the

United Nations, and I did some research on it. I took that pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago, and then my own independent research and added to it, and that's what became the basis for my book, The Fearful Master.

of those things. But that didn't make any difference. The perception is the important thing. But Buckley was not from the radical left. There were a few people like Buckley that also jumped on the bandwagon from what people considered

to be the right wing. Of course, we could talk about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between right and left later, but I learned that the hard way too, that the right wing and the left wing are merely two two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism. That's right, anyway, That was I hadn't learned that yet.

So anyway, Buckley was one of those guys who was, you know, associated with the so called right wing, but they believed pretty much the same thing, and they were they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which is what they believed in.

the screen. You play this soundtrack on like an LP recording on a phonograph machine, and when it's time to change the picture, there's a beep that comes onto the sound the operator turns the picture and then narration continues and then there's it's like a PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. And so that's what we did in those days. And I did, Oh, I don't know nine or ten of them, and I decided I wanted to do one on inflation

and the money supply. I didn't know much about it, but I knew that there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused the farmers they were getting too much for their food, and the farmers that we're starving. We have to eat their own food to just stay alive, but we don't make any money. It's the distributors that take all the money and distributes. It's not us. It's

the truckers and the truckers, it's not us. It's the grocery stores. It's not us. It's the labor unions and so forth. And they're all everybody's pointing to somebody else is the cause. And they were all correct in a sense that it was not them, but they didn't know who it was, that hidden element that nobody had looked at, and so I was curious about that. So I started

to do research on inflation. And of course that leads directly to the engine of inflation, and that's the Federal reserve system, because that's the power that creates money out of debt, and they can just create as much money as people are willing to borrow into existence, and it's not their money. They just created out of nothing or

worse than nothing, ont of debt. So the money supply expands much faster than goods and services expand, and therefore the relative prices for those goods and services in terms of the expanded source of the money goes up. It's just a very simple formula. A high school kid that knows anything about math can figure it out. But the American people still don't understand it pretty much because it's it's deliberately compounded and made it look very complicated, and

it's not. So I got into that and I created a couple of banker boxes full of research on it, and I was ready to go. But then I, hey, is this topic is getting too big for me? And meanwhile I had to get on and produce some faster film strips because I have to put groceries on the table, right. So I put the banker boxes in my closet for now. And then one day I got a call from a little old lady in tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard

about those ladies. This was the real one. And she was a widow and she would obviously had some money because she lived in a big house in Pasady and her husband passed away, of course, and had this car in the garage. Was probably about twelve fifteen years old, but I think it had like eight hundred miles on it as read. Well, that's a little side story. But

she was a wonderful lady. And she had a monthly class that she was or meeting in her home on taxes, and she'd heard that I was giving speeches and showing film strips and so forth. So she called me and asked me if I would give a speech to her group on the weekend on taxes. And I said, well, I don't know much about taxes except that they're too high. And I'm again, what else can you say that's taxes are? But I might be able to talk to your group

about a hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you? And she said a hidden tax? What is that? And in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess are just going to have to retain my services so I can tell you what. And she laughed, she said, you got me. She said, let's do it, so all right, I committed to do a presentation on the Federal Reserve as the hidden tax, and that forced me to open up my banker boxes and go through the stuff again.

And the second time through, I was amazed at what I picked up that I didn't catch the first time through. And I became electrified by how really important this was, how many areas in our lives it reached that I hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it, and I spent some time putting together an outline. I gave the presentation and it was very well received. I was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards there and they said that was good. You ought to

put that on the road. Well, you don't do that to a child actor. He said, I'll put it on the road, which I did. I ramped it, got it all well organized, and I called it the Crash Course on Money. It was a one day seminar. I thought, you know, I could probably sell tickets to this if I was smart enough, and so I tried that, and by golly, it worked, and I was selling tickets and travel. I'll put it on the road. I was going from town to town to town. This time, I'm not doing

what I did in the old days. I was taking care of myself, and so we did that crash course on money. And then I'm probably giving you more information than you want, but this is what happened. At the end of I think it was probably about the ninth or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting, I was approached by another little old lady and she said,

mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in my twenties, late twenties or early and in my thirties. I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got to kick out of that, she said. After what I've learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about what I should do with what limited resources I have. My husband passed away and he left a small stipend

and insurance, and we can get along. We have a small investment in a small apartment building or two apartments, I think, she said. But we're in debt. Should I get out of debt? Should I take what we have in assets and put it in gold and silver, or should I What should I do with my assets, and it hit me r at that moment what a fraud I was because I did not know the answer to that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing.

I knew how they created money out of debt. I knew the impact it had on the purchasing power of money. I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all, but I was a learning still in those days. But to answer the question of what she should do to avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea I was a fraud and she was expecting me to know.

So I stopped doing the webinar the seminars, I should say, and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which was a course done by a Chicago outfit as an educational group. It was like a CFP designation and it normally takes a couple of years to get it, so I enrolled in it. It was all by correspondence, and then you have to go to a physical location and take the exam that's an all day exam and so forth. So I did that and I got my CFP designation

as a financial advisor. Not because I wanted to do that. I just wanted to know how to answer this woman's question, how do you protect your assets under these conditions? So that's what I did, and then I came out of that with another realization which I never would have had had I not been taking that course, and that is that these people were teaching bunk. I was learning bunk. Now. They were teaching how to invest in markets that is in the best interest of the financial planners, not in

the best interest of the investors. And that was really what it was all about. And of course they always said it was for the group, for the best investment for the I'll get this straight. Yet it's always best for the investor himself. But it was always an investment that paid a commission to the person that recommended it or something, and none of it really took into account that the value of the money was constantly being depreciated.

They didn't really understand in inflation. Or they said, well, this has a better interest rate and therefore better for it to fight inflation, But they never talked about inflation itself and what the long term consequences might be over twenty or thirty years for you who do everything they recommend, But still in twenty or thirty years you have zero because the dollar is zero and things like that. So that's when I decided, hey, somebody ought to write a

book on this. I looked around and there were books on the topic, but they were all kind of written from the point of view of somebody who wanted to go into banking, they wanted to be a banker. The book was there on the Federal Reserve, how to use the Federal Reserve, how it works, and the terminology, and it was all good, but it didn't The books didn't help the average person at all understand the fraud that was built into the banking system.

they just processed checks. That's that's your that's your understanding of this. So yeah, it's that was one of the one of the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of finish. I mean, he wasn't even aware of the impact of you know, uh, setting interest rates even for example, you know, none of it.

over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well, it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked to bankers since then, and especially when I get in the topic of cancer and things like that. I have no medical background. I'm writing a book on cancer therapy and so forth, and I've had people tell me, like doctors in particular, say ed you had an advantage that we didn't have. What what do you mean an advantage? How could that be? You went to school, that's the

advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All you had to do was learn. We had to unlearn first. Oh yeah, because when you go through the institutions and they teach you these things, you believe, you become a true believer these people.

is your advice to people? I know you're not a financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms of preparing for what is coming, what would you say to people?

And there could be arguments pro and con but the most, the most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter when you look in history, no matter what the problem was, those that had gold and silver always came out on top. So it's always worked. That way is a really powerful item. But now it isn't in my view, because the system itself is changing, where to the point where money will no longer even exist in the way that we think

of it money. The essence of money in order for it to have any use to us is that we have to own it. It's got to be our money. It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money, they can just take it back and well, we don't have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well, no matter what they come up with, it will be

just like it always has been. No. No, Because there's cbcds, the central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations now are committed to adopting in the very near future, the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the next year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone.

That those tokens or whatever they call them, the digital currencies, they'll have different names, whatever the name is, they will be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to you and me and everybody else to use as long as we have a good social credit, which means as long as we behave according to what they think we should.

I would say, normally, without this upcoming CBCDS that we should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver, and I still say that, by the way, I have not as nice as stockpilet as I would like, but I have some shekels put away in gold and silver and in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that people will need and you could use as barter. But in terms of how you come out of it okay and

still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And the chances are we're not going to come out of it anywhere close to how we went into it, and we have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants to hear that.

we cope with that? I think, you know, in terms of people talking about a parallel society, Americans have not really had any experience like people in third world countries have in terms of operating black markets and things like that. But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly. Yeah.

you know and trust. So it's it doesn't allow you to put gas in your car, It doesn't allow you to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in the big store, the big box stores or anything like that. If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're going to be very much like little children who are completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything, and under those conditions, most people will buckle and they'll be like slaves in Egypt.

got to shut people down that disagree with them. And because of that, people downstream from them are also buying into this kind of censorship stuff. And I think if we could develop and get back a respect for free speech and for privacy and things like that, that really has to be fundamental as a guard against some of this stuff, because that really is the essence of how their controls are going to run out against us.

very compliant. And of course if they didn't have the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true, but they could pretend like they have the weapons. And that's often what has happened in the past is you probably know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. You know, they were like eighty feet long, and these huge missiles like we send to the moon now we're supposedly send to I don't know what to think about that one.

But those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told that they were just you know, made of wood and painted up and so forth. But Americans, ah, look, they got missiles too, And there was the fear of missiles, not the missiles themselves, that caused us to not confront the Soviet Union and try and make friends with them and abandon our own interests and so forth.

give them up. I mean you shouldn't use them. I should say because I think that even though even though we didn't don't have money because we're not obedient enough and they cut us down, and we did have coins, we could probably find somebody whould take silver coins if they're small denomination, and gold coins in return for food or something that they have a little surplus on in their homes. But this is not living, This is not surviving. This is slavery.

them through this stuff. And it's going to be very difficult if you don't have something like that, you are going to if you don't have any The sand is going to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking, and if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've got you. And that's what we saw four years ago.

That was really a panic and fear. But that brings me to the medical stuff, because I don't want to finish the interview without having you talk about the book World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time for people's eyes to be open to this because prior to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they first started this thing, you had a public health person come out. I played that clip over and over again,

comes out to the podium. But before the person who's going to speak comes out of the podium, they had six people come out, three on each side, all them in white coats, and they march out in a line and three of them stand on one side of the podium and three of them So look at this. That just putting this in your face, like we got white lab coats where medical and we have authority, so listen

to us. And I think people have seen that now as a fraud, and they have seen the self interest in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you must have quite a story behind A World Without Cancer, because I know they came after Leatrill and B seventeen

and Migdalena in a very very heavy way. I didn't realize that you had written this book until I interviewed John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when he was talking about the books that they have there, about your book especially. That's one of the main reasons I wanted to get you on because this is so key and it is a time that people are ripe to hear this message. Tell us a little bit about that. How you got into it?

But we soon developed a personal friendship that went well beyond that, and it got to the point where after a while we want to get away from the rootree the regular routine of our daily lives, and we'd like to get away from town, go out in the countryside and tell people we're going fishing or something like that. But we just go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills. And one day we're out doing that and and doctor John says to me, I need your help. I need your he had he took his

briefcase with him on that trip. I thought was strange, and he opened up this. He opened up his briefcase and pulled out some papers and fumbled through them. He said, I'm trying to write an article for the local newspaper or magazine and I need your help writing. Could you help me? I said, well, sure, of course, that's what I do. You're you're the doctor. If I get sick, you help me. I'm the writer. And if you're silly enough to ask me to help you with the writing.

And so he said, Well, I asked him. I said, what is it. I said, well, I'm in trouble with the local medical association. They're threatening to take away my license. I said, what did you do? You know, like the typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well, this is what I'm doing wrong. Is I'm saving lives. Oh, this was? This was.

So that's how the start the whole thing started. He said, Well, I found out there's a substance that's found in nature that I didn't believe in at first, but my office manager convinced me to look into it. So I did. This is a substance as accurs in nature, and if you eat it, it turns out to be a natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. I said, how can that be? He said, well, I'm not sure how it can be, but I know that it works.

So he told me the story of this amygdalan or leatrill is the more popular name for it. That's found in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway, it's primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and peach seeds and any fruit in the Rosetia family has this stuff called amygdalen in its bit to the taste. And that's why most people in the Western world, are in affluent societies, don't like to eat foods that have this

substance in it because it's bitter. If you've ever bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about. That's that's the flavor. And he said that stuff in low quantities is it looks like it's a natural control for cancer. And he told me the story. All right, this gets interesting in the details. He had a dog that had cancer and he was about to put the dog down because you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the dog that the doctors do and it

wasn't working. In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about this, he says, I tried to use I decided to use this substance on the dog, and he said, blow me down. The dog got well real fast, and I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose husband was had terminal cancer, and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is not going to last very much longer. And I saw what

happened to the dog. Would you please do that for my husband? And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, for human use. And he tried it on her husband and he got well, this is how it all started. And so John said, I started using it very very cautiously and very low dosages and very suspiciously, making sure that I was not risking anybody's life, using it only on people who really had terminal cancer to start off with.

And he said, I was getting way way better results than anybody I know. But the word got out. He said, I never advertised it and never talked much about it because I knew what the establishment would say about it. It was quackery or something like that. But the word got out because these patients that are dancing out of the office when they came in on a gurney. They talk about it, and so patients started coming to his clinic and it was no longer by this time an eye,

ear nose, and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic and people were coming from all over the world. And I didn't know that at that time. So that's the story he told me. And he said, now the medical professionists found out about it, and they threatened me that if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take my license. He said, I need to tell the story. Will you help me write it? I said, sure, that

sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three day project, you know, just to read about it a little bit and ask a few questions and then just write it up. But it turned out to be I don't know, a three year project. Yeah, something like that. Uh. It changed my life. It just changed my life. I wouldn't be here today if I hadn't learned about that, because it it made me realize that almost everything that we think, we know that it is really important in our lives

is a lie. When I realized that money was a lie, and now I found out that cancer treatments were a lie. What's more important than that? Yes, So that changed my life. And in my own family, I've I've seen we have some members of our family that are alive because of the treatments. So I wrote the book. It took me quite a while. I sat at the at the feet of listening to the great, the great sign assistant doctors who really knew about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very

open about it. And of course I met the originator of this whole treatment, who was doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior, who was the inventor of all that, not the inventor, but the discoverer of the chemical use and pioneer in using it for cancer. And I sat in his office many many an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was sit back and he put his fingers together and said, well, let me think about that for a moment, and.

not the test tube. So that's where they were experimenting. And they found that the use of leatrill or the substance. Now there's this whole big story behind it. So that's what the book was about. I'll just give you one quick example. One of the clues to this was the fact that in the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to see that their cows would develop cancers of the mouth and lips and so forth and other parts of their bodies in the winter time, but they would

usually go away in the spring. And they said, why is that. There must be something about the weather. Well, then they got to observing that it happened shortly after the green sprouts came up through the snow in the spring, when the snow started to melt, and the first green grasses started to come up through the snow, and the collars would eat the green grasses. And it turns out these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant. So that was the kind of clues that they had.

How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method, and so anyway, that's how it started. And so John asked me to help him write the article, and I did, and that led to the book.

was written in nineteen seventy. You've done an update I think in twenty ten or something like that, but you know this is back in sixties. I guess where this is happening. But you know when you were publishing it. So what happened after you published this? What was the firestorm?

Bantam Bandham was there, and I thought, well, maybe we could convince Badham to reprint this and put it on the big market. So it just so happened. On the morning of the first day. The president of Bantam was there on the floor when I was there, and I saw this cluster of people around him, so I thought I'll get in line, so I did, and so I went up shook his hand. I said, I'll make this short, mister Smith or whatever his name was. I said, we have this book here on LEAA Trill and it is

carrying cancer. You probably have heard about it the newspapers. There's a big controversy over it, and I'd like to give you a copy and see if it sounds like it's something that Bannedham would like to run with. So he gave it to his assistant who was standing next to him, and he said, y oh, well, we look at this well. They called me later in the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book. So,

make a long story short, we did. You signed the contract. Wow, we got banned him to publish our book. And they put it out. They made it a they had a special name for it. It was a special edition that they can produce a book in. I think it's forty eight hours athing like that.

And I called the publisher and well, there's no demand for it. There's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well, our statistics show there's no demand for it. Well, we couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it. So it was clear that somebody on the board of directors at Bantam got the word, Hey, you guys made a big mistake. You published the wrong book, and so we were we were clamped out. We had one printing

and that was it. It was glorious for a few weeks, but after that it was dead.

And you have done your research and you gave people your opinion, and I think when their response is to just shut things down, that's something of an endorsement of your research. I think there are responses to answer you.

they were dreaming about their lives. They weren't really living them, and they thought they were going to work every day. They thought they were raising a family, going on vacation, eating meals and so forth. But it was all programmed into their minds and they were controlled by the Matrix. That's what they called it. It was this computerized reality and the only way to get out of that was to take the Red Pill. There was the Blue pill, which you could take if you chose to, which would

put you back into the illusion. But to get out of the illusion, you had to take the red pill. It turns out that many people chose the blue pill because it was more comfortable. They'd rather not know that they were wired up to a machine. They'd rather think that we're living a normal life. It is more pleasant than knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist. So it was kind of a good parallel to the reality.

So we thought we would call this the Red Pill Expo and deal with topics like that that we wanted to expose the reality and that's underneath the illusions. And as I said a moment ago, it seems like the more important something is, the more likely it is that we are in illusions about it because it's to somebody's best interest to do that to us. Yes, they profit from our naivety and our false beliefs.

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the right. It's not between the Republicans and the Democrats, or the Liberals and the Conservatives, or the Nazis, or the Communists or the Socialists or all of these labels that we've been given to worry about. It's not the Masons, it's not the Catholics, it's not the Jews. It's not the black people, it's not the Christians, it's not the Muslims. All these divisions they want to get us focused on.

You know, it's not about any of that. Those all little sub sections play a part in it, but the overriding, controlling, dominating force behind it all is an idea, and it's a conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called collectivism and individualism. I found out in my research that those were were well known and used quite extensively one

hundred years ago. You find them in the old books and in old newspapers too, But modern now it's all been scrubbed, and for good reason, because those two words, as strange as they are to the ears of most people today, are fully describing the conflict between left and right. And you know all these things we mentioned before. When you peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism versus individualism, and sore are the What is that? How do you

define that? And that's what this booklet is all about. Is I took all the issues in the in the big book that I'm working on to illustrate support for these principles. I've taken just the principles themselves and put them into a fifty page document and I'm giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not going to live long enough to get this bloody book finished. Although I'm making progress, I want to get these principles out now. So about ten months ago, we made this little booklet here.

This is fifty pages. Yeah, it's the chasm collectivism versus individualism, and it's everything I have learned about those two topics. It's all there and type and we've got some good illustrations you can see those in the back, sort of

illustrate the points that we're making. I think I have found few, very few open minded people, and that's hard to define, but very few people who I would have continued to be on the other side politically from my position that after reading this and going over these principles doesn't come to the point where they say, hmm, I guess I've been an individualist all along and didn't know it. It's that simple, it's that clear. We get to thinking of Well, let me back up. The mantra of collectivism

is this the individual must be sacrificed. Yeah, that's fully stated. Is the group is more important than the individual and the individual must be sacrificed if necessary or the greater good of the greater number.

the public education and on. They once they start talking about that, it is the collectivism that is there.

some eggs. And now it could be said many different ways, but the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by the Japanese attack, and they justified that, and they justified keeping the information unknown to the American people because it

was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to convince the American people that we needed to get into World War two as quickly as possible so that we consider at the peace table afterwards and when we redivide the world and we make it a better world. And we probably would save millions of American lives too, because the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our cities and so forth. And you know, the average American

sid oh, oh, yeah, I guess. I guess the four thousand sailors we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it because it's the greater good of the greater number. You know, everything, everything that happens in this world that's horrible is justified by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes, and it's time to recognize that it's time to break that hypnosis that that idea has over us. I learned that in school. They taught me that the greater good

for the greater number was the ideal political position. Most people still think it is.

intention to read that. That's very very important, especially when we look at the last four years, how the veil has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the greater good. You know, people die miserably and it's like, well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, It's for the better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're going to approve the drug that is out there. Thank

you so much for joining us. And again this red Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo dot org. Is that the one where people go for the or the red Expo that's coming up?