All right, welcome back and joining us now is Eric Peters of ep autos dot com or Eric Peters auto dot com and a lot of things have come up, a lot of articles and interesting things that he's put on his site since we last talked, and I wanted to talk to him about that, but especially interesting to talk to him about all the attention that's been paid to the United Autoworkers strike by politicians. It was Joe Biden who went there.
He actually he aced out Trump and got their first Trump wanted to go at the same time that the debate was happening so he could have a counter programming of an event. But even during the debate you had Doug Bergham talking about it as well. So you're you're op ed piece. Thanks for joining us, Eric, good to have you on. Oh thanks for having me, David. Yeah, and you know it's his credit. Orange Man said the unspeakable thing out loud. Yes, yes, yeah, what is that unspeakable
thing? Well, he talked about how it's not a matter of pay raises, it's about jobs being disappeared by this electrification agenda, which is what my article is all about, and that these UAW people had better get hipped to the fact that they're not going to be worrying about cost of living adjustments in thirty two hour work weeks if this thing proceeds apace, because you only need so many workers to plug in an EV and their jobs are going to be
gone because of that. And the underlying premise of all of this, of course, is this green agenda. This this idea we're going to decarbonize everything, and of course we're made of carbon two, so eventually they're going to decarbonize us. Well, they're talking abot the truth about that, at least, you know that. Yeah, they're just not telling to the whole truth. We understand what it's really about. It is about a depopulation agenda.
But yeah, they're going to decarbonize us as well. You know, it's kind of what this all reminds me of if you're talking about how it's a much simpler manufacturing process. And of course a lot of this is going to be outsourced. We've already seen companies coming in and saying we're going to build the electric skate. Then you're just going to you know, tack on the body or whatever else that you want to put on it. And of course
that doesn't have to be built here. It'll be built on the places where they've got the minerals, which is in China, of course. But it all this reminds me of the early days of computers, personal computers when you had IBM and you know, they went out when they jumped in the market.
They got the operating system from Bill Gates who had already stolen it from Digital Research, and then they decided that they would just go with off the shelf components essentially from Intel, and that opened it up for everybody to start making these things. And before you knew it, I mean, you even had some American Indian tribes or manufacturing pieces because anybody could put this stuff together. And that is really kind of what is happening now with the automobile.
It used to be very, very complicated, and it got even more complicated because of government regulations about emissions and safety and all the rest of the stuff. So that became a big barrier to competition for anybody getting into it. But now they have I've greatly simplified it with these ZV things, and it's going to be they're gonna everybody's going to be jumping into it. And of
course China's jumping into it in a big way, aren't they. Well, they're going to be homogenizing it. I published a piece earlier today about what Honda is about to do, which is it's going to release its own battery powered appliances, beginning in twenty twenty four, with a vehicle called the Prologue
and then an accurate derivation of that called the ZDX. And all they are are extruded plastic shells with a Honda badge on them, and underneath of them they've got the same GM aultium battery platform that is underneath GM's battery powered appliances. And so it begs the question of why bother, why even have Hondas anymore? You know, Honda is a company that made its bones and its
reputation on its engines, you know. And I go through a my article a number of the more famous engines that that Honda had had produced over the years, including the compound vortex combustion chamber engine that it had in the Civic back in the seventies that was so efficient that it didn't even need a catalytic converter to meet federal emissions rags. And then then you had models like the NSX and the S two thousand, which were like IndyCar race cars that you
could drive on the street. They had ten thousand rpm redlines, just's phenomenal vehicles. Well, they're about to give all that away because who cares. It's just another battery powered appliance. And it's not just Honda, is all of them. Essentially, they're trying to become the next tesla. But then everybody's making the same thing. So what's the point and having ten or fifteen different companies all making the same thing. Yeah, they're all just boutique manufacturers.
You know, it's going to be a body by Fisher, you know, but the same thing underneath all of them. As you point out, they really have had an amazing history. If you stop and think about it, it's kind of like the history of flight, you know, going from the Right Brothers up to the NSX. You know, it's like the supersonic transport. Because at the very beginning of this Honda and you know, even Mazda, Mazda survived, they were just making like farm implements and some very
simple motors and stuff. At the end of World War Two they were there and Roshima, and they survived because they were in the shadow of the nuclear bomb that happened. They were on the other side of a mountain and so it didn't blow them away, and they you know, survived that and built on that. But these a lot of these car companies were just doing lawn Moore engines, and then they went to motorcycle engines, and then they started
doing small cars, and they started doing very very sophisticated cars. And now everything is going to just be deconstructed and all of that manufacturing expertise is going
to be lost. That's a key thing to me, you know, when they're when Toyota was talking about why they used BMW's model for their new sports car, they said, well, you know, we'd been making all these sports cars, but we haven't done any ourselves for a couple of decades, and we've lost the manufacturing expertise, they said, so we can't do something
like the Miata that's done by Mazda. They've been doing this continuously for you know, thirty years or so, but we haven't and we've lost that manufacturing at expertise. So we've got to rely on other people to do that. And it's going to be lost very very quickly, isn't it. Yeah, even you think about it too, because Toyota, you know, is one of the world's largest car companies. It has been the largest car company at
one point or another. And if they haven't got the wherewithall and the resources to develop their own specific drive treams for a particular vehicle, you know that there's a problem in the industry generally, and these smaller car companies are not going to be able to do it at all. That's right. Yeah.
By the way, you know, we look at things that are happening just from the cyber hacks, talking about what happened with the F thirty five, and the same thing happening with MGM properties in Vegas, and there was Caesar's Palace was was hacked and they admitted it. But you know, we've had Toyota, all their manufacturing was shut down a couple of weeks ago, and now the same thing has happened in Volkswagen. They've shut down all of their
stuff. All of this electronic stuff is just so vulnerable. It's not just the batteries, but as they are you know, as we get more and more into computers, whether you're talking about manufacturing or accounting, or you're talking about the computers that are being deeply embedded in every kind of car. Everything is becoming incredibly fragile and easily will that word was that? Yeah, two
levels of fragility. I was going to use exactly that word. And the other aspect of it is a kind of built in obsolescence in that electronics tend not to age very will. You know. You think about your cell phone and you buy a new one today, and three years from now, it's going to seem like a I don't like a Beta max from from back in the eighties, and it probably won't work at all because they deliberately engineered these things so that they can't be updated after a certain point, and so their
functionality is diminished. And then the battery stops working in so what do you do. You don't fix it, You throw it away and get another one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's much worse than the planned obsolescence they used to talk about with cars that you know, people would you know they'd last epically like three years and people want to get rid of them. Yeah, but then they stuck around a lot of people kept them and now
they're making them into some very valuable antiques. But you know, it was a big selling point that I remember in the seventies. Volvo is selling point was you know, hey, our car's average age of the cars in Sweden are eleven years, and it's like, well, it's not necessarily because your Volvos are built so well, it's just because everybody's been made poor by socialism.
Well, you know, the interesting thing about the planned obsolescence is that a lot of people don't understand that that really didn't refer to mechanical obsolescence.
It was more about trying to keep up with the joneses. Yes, so for example, General Motors would make the fins bigger one year rather than the prior years, and the idea was that, you know, you would look over at your neighbor's driveway and see that his car had bigger fins than yours, and that would impel you to go down to the dealer and you know, try to keep up with him by buying whatever the latest is. And then of course next year the fins got bigger or the grill changed in some
other way. But the vehicles were very sound and you could know you could keep a fifty five Chevy going for twenty years or longer without that much of a problem. It was mainly about social posturing rather than quote unquote planned obsolescen that's right, that's right. Yeah, that's still a lot of them driving around here, especially in particular weekends that you say, that type of thing
happening. But yeah, they make it bigger, or they had more chrome, and then next year you've got to have it with less chrome, or smaller fins or no fins at all. It was it was really about style and fashion, and that was a big part of why everybody was changing. Isn't it interesting that now people can't even afford to buy cars, let alone change them like they would a suit or a tie, because oh, it's getting so crazy. Gave it. I have this week my test car,
the vehicle that I'm reviewing as the four to Escape. It's a FOURD Escape and I emphasize that so it's a little crossover suv. The thing's forty seven thousand dollars. Wow. Wow, that's amazing. That truly is amazing. Well, before we leave the auto workers stuff, right, you had you know Trump. I thought it was amusing because he goes there for a photo
op. There's a lot of allegations that he had people. He goes to this this place that is a parts supplier that has one hundred and fifty employees, and they got five hundred people there and there, and so the question was, well, you know, obviously the people from outside the company, but they were holding up UAW signs, and so some of the local press went around and it's people to know, I'm not part of the union. I'm just holding a sign here, you know. So they're saying this is
an asteroturv type of thing. But then at the debate, which is why he was there, he didn't want to go to the debate, you had Doug Bergham essentially saying the same thing that Trump had been saying, which is that they're, you know, the auto workers are striking and it needs to be against the green agenda. And he talks about the very fact that you know, he says, we're subsidizing the cars, and we're subsidizing a particular
kind of car, not every car. We're particularly subsidizing electric vehicles. When China is controlling eighty five percent of the rare earth minerals that are going to be needed for these things, and so what we're doing is we're putting our own industry out of business and we're sending it to China. But of course that's what we've been doing for a long time, isn't it. Eric.
You know, we've been giving them a pass with all this climate stuff, so they can build as many power for all these as they want, or refineries, and there's no restrictions on how many they build or how dirty they are. But now it's gotten to the retail level where we say, well, we're just going to send We're going to prohibit prohibit any manufacturing of this stuff by regulations in the United States. It all must come from China.
Yeah, it's paradoxical, ironical, and it's sad in that these people, these UW people, do not understand that they're facing an existential threat and in order for them to combat it, they're going to have to come to grips with something that's kind of difficult for them, and that they will have to question this green agenda, which is at the very core of the modern Democrat Party, which is essentially now a party of the elite left and the working
class people have got to come to understand that that the Democrat Party is the very thing that it used to accuse the Republican Party of being. It is the party of rich, arrogant elites who want to inserve and impoverish the working class. That's right, and the middle class. That's right, that's right. You know, at the same time he's he's virtually signaling to them. Biden is going there and saying that the UAW should fight for a forty percent
pay raise. And then Elon Musk, who I'm not a big fan of, but Elon Musk gave him a sanity check about that, and you know, of course that doesn't make any economic sense, he says, So they want a forty percent pay raise and a thirty two hour work week. It's a sure way to drive GM Ford and Chrysler bankrupt and the fast lane. But of course, you know the fact that everything the minerals and all the restless stuff that they're going to have to use for this is going to be
coming from China. That is a super fast lane for bankruptcy of an entire industry that used to be a cornerstone industry of our prosperity. Because it was a cornerstone of our manufacturing capacity and ability, and we're losing all that ability and capacity, and we're even losing our capacity to generate power. Yeah, it's it's hard to imagine a worse time time for the UAW to make these kinds of demands in view of the fact that the affordability of cars has never
been worse, and it's getting worse all the time. And it's not just the price of the vehicles themselves, which now average fifty thousand dollars that's the average transaction price of a new car. It's the cost of money. You know, anybody who's paying any attention knows that interest rates on loans have doubled
or more, and so that makes them even less affordable. And the idea of that somehow these car companies are going to be able to pay their workers forty percent more and cut their hours down to a thirty two hour workweek, and that that's not going to have any effect on the price of vehicles, and that they're going to somehow continue to make the same money to be able to pay these workers what they want for doing less work is insane. It's
economically illiterate. Well, I think there's something else involved in that. And that is the thirty two hour workweek, the four day work week. And we're seeing a big push on this, not just to the UAW, but we're seeing a big push on this in multiple different places. They're doing it in the schools. There's a lot of schools that are pushing for a four
day work week. And then what that does is that puts pressure on the parents to push for a four day work week, because that's the point of the government schools for the most for most people, they use them as daycare, as childcare, not they don't care if they educate the kids, just get them out of my hair so I can go to work type of thing. And so that is they're they're pushing this four day work week. What do you see behind that push for the four day work week. I talked
about this gesture. I'm curious to see what your take is on Well. My initial reaction is that they're kind of nudging us towards the state of infantilism and dependency where you get your UBI via your CBD digital token provided you're a good, socially obedient little drone. That's exactly what we take on it. Yeah, it's a push to move us to universal basic income, which is
going to also involve CBDC. They want us working from home because you know, if everybody's a zoom worker, then they can they don't even have to bring people in from other countries unless they want more social unrest. But you know, they could just you know, have people in India doing the work, even if it's manual labor, if they got a robot that can be virtually controlled. So I agree with you. I think that's exactly what this
is. People have been given a taste of being given money without having to go to work, and so let's keep that momentum going. You know, Trump kicked that off with a lockdown, So let's keep that going. We'll go to a thirty two hour work week, and of course, you know, maybe we'll pay the people less, maybe we'll replace them with foreign workers
who don't actually have to come here. They can stay foreign well. And there's a level of defeatism among the young in particular, and it's quite understandable. You know. I wrote an article the other day about what's happening in the real estate market and how even in my area, the cost of housing
has gotten to the point I live in a rural area. Should I should predicate that with so it used to be an affordable area, but now houses, little houses, little eleven hundred square foot houses are selling for three hundred thousand dollars. And this is an area where the typical individual makes twenty five
thousand dollars. The family income is about forty five thousand dollars. People can't afford that, let alone, you know, at twenty five year old just coming out of college or whatever, is just trying to build his life and they end up living at home. They just give up, and so they don't want to have a they're not going to have a car, they're not going to have a house, They're going to be rendered propetually dependent and playing games on video station and so why not get their you know, Hubi and
just give up on life and that's what they want. Ultimately, Yeah, I agree. I think we need to seriously look at defunding the schools because I think that's a big part of this. When I was in Texas, there were entire schools that were basically just people who had come here illegally. And we look at what is happening in Baltimore paying thirty one thousand dollars a year for the kids, and in forty percent of the schools there's not a
single kid who is proficient in math. And those standards are not very high, they're very supermarket math, right, yeah, exactly exactly, And so you know, forty percent of them, not forty percent of school is not a single student can do supermarket math, and we're paying thirty one thousand dollars a year for that. That kind of you know, you know, the
dreamers coming here. Well, it's destroying the American dream, and it's an incredible burden on everybody, this government, institution of schools, and they're destroying our society. At the same time, We've got to somehow find a way to shut that thing down. I think we're going to really destroy us economically as well as intellectually and spiritually in every other way that you can measure it. The schools are a dead albatross around the neck of this country. Absolutely
completely agree with that. But I do think that the wheel is turning and that realization is dawning. To get back to the ev thing, I was reading something about what's happening in Europe and Germany in particular, and people are not buying these evs, and Mercedes is extremely worried about their business model going forward, having embraced this electrification agenda, and they're basically saying, well, what are we going to do if people don't buy these things? And that's
happening here as well. You know, all are aware of what's going on with Ford and the debacle of Jim Farley and his embarrassing attempt to drive a lightning across the country and it was an epic fail, and then Grandholm essentially trying to do the same thing. People are cluing into what's going on. You know, at last, finally it took them a long time, but
I do think the wheel was turning. Yeah, that's true. And you know the garbage thing that Graholm did the Energy secretary as she decided she's going to take a cross country drive on the evs as well, and you know it may have been to try to highlight oh, well, we got a problem here. So that means we need more money, and we need more personnel, and we need more infrastructure for this particular thing. I think that's where our purpose was. The Ford guy was trying to, you know,
show people how it worked. I think her purpose was to show people how it's not working. But they've now launched a probe into her because she was faking this thing. But of course, you know the probes are going to be nothing other than a dog and pony, you know, show by somebody in Congress to be able to criticize her and get their face on TV. Nothing has ever done about any of this stuff. They don't pull any of this stuff back. They just continue to go along with what everybody else's is
pushing out there. It's a bipartisan pushing. We need to understand that, just like in the UK. I was talking earlier about how the Conservatives are pushing through all these mandates to ban gas furnaces and gas stows and to rip up the gas lines that are buried in the ground. I mean, they're destroying every one of these countries being destroyed by our own governments. Our own governments are at war with us over this climate mcguffin, just like they were
at war with us over the so called pandemic. Mcguffin. Yeah, And the key thing here is to simply race the question why why what are we doing this for? Let's talk about this so called climate crisis, which I like to harp on the fact that they had to change the verbiage. They have to change the verbiage ever so often because it becomes impossible to continue to
maintain the narrative. You know, Initially they would talk about global warming, but while the records and the data didn't bear that out, so they had to shift it around to this climate change, which can encompass anything. And now instead of talking about carbon dioxide, they're talking about carbon to try and flim flam people into equating it with some dirty like graphing, you know, a graph bite. It's just it's so fundamentally oily. And you get back
to this whole business of the schools and the enumeracy. You know, you ask somebody, well, okay, you want to talk about the climate crisis. What's the percentage of the Earth's atmosphere of its carbon dioxide right now? And invariably they have no idea, And when you tell them it's zero point zero four percent, you know, and then they look at you and then you say, okay, so you're telling me that some sort of a fractional increase or decrease of that amount is going to have some kind of a crisis
level effect. Yeah, oh yeah, gear in the headlights, yeah, exactly, Yeah, that does not compute. And there was another piece I just saw. You know, there's about sixteen seventeen hundred scientists who got together and said this is fake. But one of the things that they said, and again, you know, that doesn't make it true or false because you've got a large number of people, because you've got Nobel Prize winners or whatever. You had a large number of people, and you had several of them,
there were Nobel Prize winners. But the key point was one thing that a guy said, which is just as important as the minuscule amount of carbon dioxide. And he said, we're being told by the IPCC from the UN, you know, the Inter International Panel on Climate Change or something like that, and they're the ones pushing this stuff for the UN. He said, we're being told that there's a difference in man made versus natural carbon dioxide.
And he goes, please explain to me how you know, when you got one atom of carbon and two of oxygen, how there's any difference in that. But they're saying that if it's man made, it's going to be different because it's going to last four hundreds or thousands of years. As with a natural stuff it precipitates out in like three years. But the man made stuff is going to be there forever and it's going to continue to accumulate that.
This is utter nonsense, it's totally devoid. Living in idiocracy. We are we're living in idiocracy. Yeah, all this furry stuff and you know, the transgender stuff and everything is how they get people there. You know, everything has got to be subjective, and they're pushing that subjectivity. That two plus two equals five. That's probably one of the questions on that math tests in Baltimore. But you know it's not even id it's idiocy with a purpose,
and it's an evil purpose. Yes, they have deliberately dumbed down the populace so that the populace is vulnerable and susceptible to the kind of propaganda that they're peddling and the hysterics that they're peddling. And this is all being done
not to save the earth or the environment any of that stuff. It is about establishing this hierarchical system of control, the technocratic managerial elite at the very apex of the pyramid, and the rest of us living a very impoverished in surfed lifestyle where we're not allowed to do anything without permission, and we're very grateful if we've got to see bugs to eat. And that's it. Yeah, that's exactly it. Let's talk about something that is nostalgic and kind of
fun. You've got an article here at Pontiac is racist. And earlier in the program, I had a thing about this guy who's giving up on being a trucker. He's just so frustrated with all the regulations and everything there.
But I introduced it with the east bound and down the people could see the plans m there and I said, yeah, r's got one of those in one the one of the listeners said, yeah, that's the only good trands out there as a trans am talk about Pontiac being racist, well, any any iconography associated with a Native Americans, American Indians somehow has become racist.
We're all familiar with the way the Washington Redskins had to change their name first to the Washington football team and now the Washington Commanders, even though they should be the the Washington Pilferers or some other such thing like that. Uh. But and it's all being pushed by these these neurotic, woke left people.
It's not it's not being pushed by the American Indians themselves, who loved the Redskins because of the positive associations that were conjured by the you know, the image of the noble warrior going out to fight on the field, and the same with Pontiac. It wasn't as though it was some kind of a an Amos and Andy routine. You know. They used the iconography of Chief Pontiac, who was a figure from the French and Indian War uh to to be the face, if you will, of Pontiac as a brand, to conjure
the noble chief, you know, leading the way. And it was wonderful and people liked it, and it's just a very sad thing. That's a good thing that Pontiac, I guess, was put out of its misery, you know, back in when two thousand, I'm trying to remember, I can't remember exactly, but it's been about ten years since Pontiac got retired. Because if they were still around today, I'm sure that there would be some woke left mob demanding that they changed their name to some other thing because somebody
is outraged and offended by the use of the term in the image. Well, it's interesting you have the background of Chief Pontiac, which I didn't know, you know, but it's very much like you mentioned the French and Indian War, very much like Last of the Mohicans, you know, James Finn or Cooper. They could have called it the chegun Chuk. That would have been a bit of a tongue twister. But Pontiac was there. He was
an Indian chief in the Detroit area. Fort Detroit was where he was, and so that was a natural secutor there for people with their in Michigan to name it after this highly regarded Indian chief leader, you know, military leader
who had been allied with the US. But I guess that makes him evil as well, right, he was allied apparently, So you know, you had these really cool things associated with Pontiac, the car brand, you know, in the thirties and the forties, they had the glowing chief hood ornament that was highly stylized and led the wayne, and you had the famous arrowhead and all these other things that were as a matter of fact, that we're let me let me interject here, because I've got a picture of the head
the Pontiac head that and I when I saw your article, it made me think about my grandfather's car. He had one of these Pontiac chieftains or something like that. The only thing I remember about the car was this hood ornament that has this like amber head of the Indian, you know, Pontiac. I thought that was the coolest thing because I was maybe about four or five years old, and it was the only thing I ever remember. But I
never forgot that. I've got a couple of different pictures of it. It's such a cool thing, and it had a lot of chrome holding supporting this head, but then the head was projecting out. This is the way the car looks. The car was not all that great, but that Indian head that was there was really impressive. And I never forgot that. When I saw this article about pontiacause like, yes, I got to get a picture of that head. Yeah. Yeah. It's things like that that created this
emotional bond between people in their cars. Might One of my earliest memories of cars is looking underneath the hood of my parents' Oldsmobile ninety eight that they had back in the seventies, and I looked at this gigantic air cleaner and it said rocket eighty rocket four fifty five on it, and I remember that to this day, and that was like the first thing I thought, Wow, that's really neat, and I wanted to see what was under the air cleaner,
and you know, look fast forward here I am today. Well, they would even make the tailights and stuff on, like on the Thunderbirds that make them look like they were rocket turbines or something. Now, yeah, you could just imagine it coming out of the back, but yeah, it was. It was a lot of fun. They tried all kinds of things in terms of styling. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. You know, some of them look really comical and retrospect, but some of
them still look really cool in retrospect when you look at it. But it goes beyond that, you know, yeah, go ahead. We had this tremendous variety, which you can see if you go to an old car show today. You know, lines and lines of cars, each one profoundly different from the one that's sitting next to it. And that's a measure of what we lost. You know, people complain now about how everything looks the same. And I've got this great graphic of a of a I guess about a
dozen different new crossover SUVs of various brands. They're all white, and they all look exactly the same. Well, I mean, and it's true, but you know, it's going to be even worse than that, to get back to what we were talking about earlier, when not only do they look the same, but they literally are the same, and they just have the same electric drivetrains with that that basically homogenized plastic extruded body draped over them with
a different badge, or you can pick whatever color you like. Maybe you won't have to get white. You could get a silver one if you like. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what we have become now. And I've joked about that. You know this interesting that you know, we used to have cars of all different types of colors. Now everything is black, white, shades of gray with an occasional red. That's basically what you see.
They've got some retro Dodge chargers and stuff that are orange or green or purple or something like that, but for the most part, it's all, you know, shades of gray and an occasional red car that's there. I used to joke, I joked with the kids I said, Yeah, back when I was growing up, TV was black and white, but the cars
are technicolor NASCAR. Yeah, it's very Soviet. And I found out something interesting, by the way, because I've noticed it, you know, you've noticed that so many other people have noticed, and I got to wondering why, And in the course of doing a little bit of research about the Carside review, I've discovered that they are now charging a lot of money for other
colors than silver, black and white. You know, like like seven hundred, twelve hundred dollars to get something other than that in a lot of cases. And so that's white. You see so many cars that are silver, white and black. Wow. Okay, well, yeah, that makes it if they're going to make it. Something's part of that. But before we get away from the Indians and everything, I like what you had to say.
You know, you said as they purged the Redskins, you say in your article as if fans of the Redskins were mocking American Indians when they cheered for the Redskins. Of course they're not. They're seeing them as cool, you know, like the Vikings or whatever, or raiders or pirates or whatever. They're not mocking them, you know, and you say, most American Indians understood the Redskin name and image were meant to honor the bravery and the
spirit of the American Indian warriors in battle. And the Redskins, like any other professional football team, played to win. They didn't play to mock. And that's the key thing, right that makes it so incredibly stupid about all this stuff. And yet you see now with Taylor Swift and this football player that she's dating. I saw an article, because every site that I go
to, they've got something about Taylor Swift and the football player. And so one of the articles that came up somebody who was saying, well, maybe Taylor Swift can use her influence to get them to stop doing the tomahawk chalk chop. I's like, why why would you want to stop the tomahawk chalk in my first place? There? This is all part and parcel of this effort to just suck the joy out of life completely. We're all supposed to
be basically Dodd the proverbial jesuitical hairhirt and flagellate ourselves for existing. Yeah, yeah, you know, I remember when I was growing up, you know, we had neighborhood schools they're all close together. And the junior high school the mascot was a warrior, right, so it's like the warriors, and and and then when you go to the high school, which are just a
couple of blocks down, that was the chiefs. And that was you know, something that was had big Indian chief head that was on the outside of the school. They're in Tampa's Chamberlain High School. And even the liberal Democrat mayor was pushing back on. She went to Chamberlain and she was pushing back on. She said, you know, they're going to spend like a one hundred thousand dollars to take this thing down and put some other mask out up there. She goes, but leave it alone. You know, it was
fine. And she's a you know, a Democrat, liberal, hard left liberal. But you know, you had you went from being a warrior up to a chief. And of course in the band, they had the girls that were dancers. They all had these big chieftain head dresses and stuff. They call them chief hits. And then that we had drum majors that were not dressed up in military uniform, but they were old. People would have
a fit about this. They were shirtless and before the game they would rub them down with this stuff called Texas dirt, so they had redskins, and then they would put war paint over them and they had a head dress that went all the way down to the ground and then they would run around manity. Oh yeah, I mean it would it would be like blackface today, you know. I mean they would flip out if they saw this. But it was great. You know, we had the coolest drum majors of any
of the schools that were there. Had a couple of times at one time stabbed one of the bass drums because they'd run and swoop, but they with a spear because they had a spear. But it was It was a lot of fun. And then from that, you know, you go from junior high school warriors to the Chamber in Chiefs and then you would go a lot of them went to FSU, which were the Seminoles, and they tried to change that mascot, and the Seminole tribe there in Florida said, no,
don't do that. We like that. You know, it wasn't just a generic redskin. It was a specific Indian tribe and they really liked it. They were honored by that. They got it, they understood it. Yeah. The thing to understand here is these people will never be satisfied and they're not really aggrieved. This is all just a cavalcade of convenience. That's right. You placate them with one. We'll defer to you on this, Okay,
we'll take down our mascot, will change our name. It's never enough, there's always something else, because the whole point of this is to maintain this ongoing sense of aggrievement, that that somebody has been wrong, that somebody's been victimized, and you owe us something because you did this. That's right. Yeah, And it's it's very much like if you do their their pronouns, they're going to come back at you with something else, you know,
because it's not about any of that stuff. It's about you submitting to them. And so if you submit to their pronouns and next thing they're going to have you submitting to the furries or whatever other crazy thing they come up with. It's about your submission, and it will always be something else, and it's always pushing us further and further away from reality, because that's really the
key thing for them. You know, if you don't know anything, and if you live in this fantasy world, then you're going to be very easily controlled in a virtual reality or with video games, or with drugs or sex or whatever it is that they want to throw at you. And actually Uval Harari has actually taunted people by saying that quiet part out loud. He said, yeah, we're going to control people with drugs and virtual reality and video
games and all the rest of this stuff. Well, they're already doing it. Yeah. You look at you look at teenagers and what are they looking at? Invariably they're pecking at that stupid phone. Even when they get together, you watch them, you know, a group of them, instead of them talking to each other, they're all sitting, they're at the same physical place, but each of them is occupied picking at their individual phone. That's
right. Yeah, I think it's funny too as you go through the different models, you know, in terms of thinking about what they have picked up with this stuff. The Oldsmobile cutlass. Now there's a pirate thing, you know, Yeah, you know, I guess you know they've they've now got
literal pirates now in Oakland. You know, they had the Oakland Raiders, but now they've got literal pirates who are attacking people in their boats and stealing everything they can and thinking the rest of it, and the police and they say, well, we don't know. That's not our jurisdiction. We can't do anything about it. It's like that's the buck on stuff like that. Sure, it's a clown show, and it's time for us to pull a
curtain on it and say enough is enough. On so many levels. You know, for example, we we we've gotten to where we are with regard to cars to a great extent because we accepted the premise that, you know, there's a pollution problem, there's an emissions problem, and that's that was
true at one time. It's not true anymore. And I think the way to solve the problem is to demand cost benefit analysis and to say, look, it's one thing to say a car it needs to have an exhaust scrubber, a catalytic converter, that maybe it adds three hundred dollars to the price of the car, but it reduces the harmful pollutions by by fifty percent, really fifty percent, not fifty percent of one percent, as opposed to some new thing that they're going to have to do to a vehicle to achieve a
less than less than half a percent difference change in some so called emission at a cost of fifteen hundred or two thousand dollars. It's absurd. You should be You should the government, if it's going to have these regulations, ought to be obliged to establish improve that. Look, first of all, here's the problem. Secondly, what we're proposing is going to meaningfully improve or meliorate that problem at a reasonable cost, and if not, it shouldn't happen.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I can attest to the fact that, you know, I was driving a convertible back in the nineteen seventies and had a little spitfire, and you know, it was not an uncommon thing at all. It's actually half of the cars you'd get behind them and it's like whoa, you know, it's just events exhaust coming from them. I still drive convertibles, and my convertible and that never happens anymore. I never smell
anybody's exhaust. It is a non problem. And you know, they're just they're grasping at straws and it's just the metastasizing bureaucracy trying to control and destroy everything. That's really what we're seeing here. You know, well, they could never concede that mission accomplished, right, that's right. You know, the ep has been around now for about fifty years, and if they were to say, well, you know, we did a really good job ninety
nine points something and that's actually the number. Ninety nine points something percent of what comes out of the exhaust pipe of a new car is water, vapor, and carbon dioxide, neither of which have any effect on the environment, and therefore our mission is accomplished. We don't need to worry about this stuff
anymore. They'll never do that because I think how many people are earning their living, their livelihood that way, how many lobbyists are involved, how many you know, just ripple effects throughout the economy, how many bucks are being made off of these scams. So instead of acknowledging that they fix the problem, they have to magnify the problem to justify not only what they're doing, but what they want to do in the future. Yes, and of course
now it's stress too that. That's especially true of diesels as well. There aren't any diesel cars that you smell anymore either. They have taken care of that. Of course, you know they're taking care for the most party, getting rid of the diesels, but you know they are still out there and you don't smell anything from them either. They're running perfectly clean. They've gone through an incredible amount of expense to clean that up, but it is clean.
And so these are problems that are not problems. And the EPA, which is originally set up to h you know, to protect the environment and everything, they're just looking for whatever they can do. Now. They're shutting down power plants based on emissions that you can't tell anything about. You know, you drive by these power plants, you're not going to smell anything.
You're not gonna see smoke coming out of them. They're clean. They're not like the ones in China and India, which they care absolutely nothing about. They never care about it. In their Paris Climate Accord in twenty fifteen, they said, build as many of these you want, We don't care how dirty they are. Well, if you're talking about a global problem, then you would care about that, and some of the true believers did care about that at the time. But they don't care about any of that stuff.
They just want to shut everything down and It just amazes me that so many people cannot see that that is really the true agenda, just to destroy our lives. Before we leave the Pontiac thing, though, you mentioned also the Firebird being an American Indian mythological figure. Of course you've got the Firebird and
you've got that that figure there. But I just you know, as you're talking about all this other stuff, it's like, yeah, it really thought about how many different ways Pontiac could tied in the Indian culture into their cars, and in a very positive way. You know. Everybody liked that, Yes, and they made some of the most uh, you know, iconic cars in the history of the automobile. You know, one of the most obvious ones being the very first muscle car, which was the nineteen sixty four
Pontiac Gto. There had been fast cars before that, but there had not been fast, inexpensive cars. You know. The genius of John Laurian, who ran the company back then, was to take basically an economy car, it was the Tempest, and put the big engine from the Bonneville into the Tempest and sell it for cheap. So now you didn't have to be a rich old man to have a fast car, and you know, I mean
then think just sold like you know, like like pancakes and boom. Everybody else wanted to have one too, and so you had this great muscle car craze. And then of course the government shut that down, but Pontiac still persevered. You know, through the seventies, the Transam and the Firebird was one of the most popular cars on the road. Of course, government managed to kill that off too by forcing Pontiac to stop building its own engines.
So the Transam just became basically a reskinned Camaro and it lingered on for a few more years, but it eventually died, and along with it, so did Pontiac. Yeah. Yeah, you even mentioned the shaker scoop. I remember those things. I remember that in those cars as well as in Mustangs. That was a lot of fun. You know, a big hole in the uh in the hood and the and a big scoop coming up to it that you saw the vibration of the indian of the engine in it. It
was Yeah. Even better minds got a flapper door, so it's vacuum vacuum actuated, so as you get on the gas, that door just kind of candle levers open, and you know, then then you hear the quadratet secondaries opening up and it's just the best thing ever. Oh that's great, that's really good. Yeah. You know, we look at this, uh, they just keep moving this, uh this forward. And I guess the question
is, you know, what are we gonna do? I guess we've got to We've got some really good hardware this out there in cars, and I think really the business of the future is going to be people who can do repair and people who can make the auto parts, you know, kind of like Jay Leno has. I think going to see repurposing of some of the three D printers and things like that. Perhaps I don't know, But then again, the next part of that is going to be how do we get
the fuel? Are we going to be able to have micro refineries. I'd like to see that. We've got micro breweries, and we got here in Tennessee. They made it legal for people have like moonshine type of places. That's really taken over the tourist areas around here. What we need is to make it legal for people to do their own fuel because they're not kind of build any more refineries at all. You know, sure you know. I mean, I'm not a big fan of ethanol when it's being forced on us,
and you know the form of the ethanol mandates. However, you know, you can make alcohol out of corn and other such things, and you can easily convert an engine that was designed to run on gasoline to run on alcohol. So that may be something we're going to have to learn to deal with two in the future. Yeah. Yeah, instead of a still up in the mountains for moonshine, you have it for fuel for your car,
you know, And then all those things died together. You know, all the bootleg masscar drivers that cut their teeth on running alcohol, maybe they'll do it in terms of running fuel. Who knows what will happen. You've got an op ed piece here why I'm a libertarian, you know, I think it's kind of interesting to look at this, especially in light of the fact that you had RFK Junior makes some overtures to the Libertarian Party, and some
of the people there at the party talked about that as well. Dennis Cassenter said, no, no, no, no, he's not gonna run as the third party candidate. He's going to run as a Democrat. I think that's kind of interesting. What do you think in terms of RFK JR.
I haven't been involved in the Libertarian Party for about twenty five thirty years, and you know, I know that when I was there, you know, they had the leadership was open to anybody, and you know, they would like to see somebody that was very popular and famous come in because they wanted to get the vote totals. But when I was there, the people and the party, they would be very very factious and doctor naire and if somebody was not touring the line exactly, it's like, no way you're going to
get this nomination. I don't really see that happening from that standpoint, even if he wanted to do it. What do you think, Well, let's see Rfk's first of all, not a libertarian, but then neither is the Libertarian Party at this point anymore. However, I will say this about about RFK JR. I think he's not a psychopath, and you know that carries a lot of weight with me. And I look at, you know, the Orange man and his pathological narcissism, and I look at that thing that
wanders around in front of the teleprompter in DC. Who's even worse and I think to myself, you know, at the bar is now so low. I would just like somebody who isn't completely out of their mind with evil and who actually speaks in complete sentences and could be reasoned with. And so I
you know, I don't have an issue with RFK. In fact, when I was when I was out running earlier today, I thought to myself, you know what we were really great is if RFK and and Orange Man got together and decided that they would each run as an independent and thereby cut out the Republicans and the Democrats, and then we could end the whole sham in a really public way. Imagine. Yeah, yeah, because of those political
parties that are so corrupt. Can you certainly see that with RFK jor the way that they play with the rules, And you know, well, you know, we're going to set the order this year so that it helps our feeble candidate out front Biden and all the rest of this stuff. And if you campaign in some of these areas early on, then we're going to take all your votes away from you. Crazy stuff like that. But Trump is doing the same type of thing. Trump is going his organization is going into
various states and saying it's going to be a winner take all. So if he comes out with you know, fifty and a half percent, he will get all the delegates instead of a proportionately at it, so that will make him get past the post faster than anybody else. And of course they can do this because the parties are making the rules. The parties decide who's going to really to run, and the parties decide who's going to get into debates, and the parties decide who's going to get on the ballots and all the
rest of the stuff. It's one of the reasons why we have no real choices in this because of these corrupt political parties that are controlling everything. Well sure and on you know, either depending doesn't matter what you're talking about. The Democrats of the Republicans, these as institutions. They're antithetical to people like Trump, who is not one of the you know, the good old boys inside the club. And they're antithetical to RFK. You know, the arrogance
of these people on the left who constantly lecture us about our democracy. And they won't even put the senile old telephile in the same room with RFK to have a debate so much for our democracy, right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, well, you know, yeah, the two of them, the two guys who have been president, do not want to run on their record. That should tell us everything we need to know about this. But you mentioned earlier, you know, he said, yeah, the Libertarians are
not even libertarian, the ones on the top of the ballot. And I was one thing that just absolutely amazed me in twenty twenty was the fact that the Libertarian candidate Joe Jorgenson was out there. She didn't care at all about the lockdowns and the masks and the closures. That was not even an issue to her. It really was an issue to most of the Libertarians that were running. It was. There was one guy, I think his first name
was Donald but Rainwater was his name. He was in Indiana and he started talking pushing back against all this stuff, and he shot up into double digits, and so I tried to interview him and he's like, no, no, I don't want to do any interviews. It's almost like I'm scared him because he was getting up high. I have subsequently, since I had this program, within this last year, I interviewed him because he's running for something
and he's a very smart guy and he's very libertarian. But you know, there's I don't know if now he's gotten over the fear that he might get elected. I don't understand how you can be a libertarian without accepting as your foundational principle leaving other people alone periods as a general idea. It's kind of like claiming that you're a Christian without believing in Jesus. It's just absurd. Call yourself something else instead of pretending to be what you're not. That's right.
Yeah, And you know, she's still got over one percent, which I remember when I was involved in it, that was everybody was very excited that there had been I think it was Ed Clark who got one percent of nineteen eighty or something, and so that had been the benchmark. Even Ron Paul when he ran as a libertarian, I only got about, you know, four hundred thousand votes or something like that. And so, you know, the people are getting are more and more open to a third party.
It's just that the ballots are closed to third parties. Yeah, and the Libertarian Party is about the only party that has the ability to get on the ballots because that's what they have been focused on and that's almost exclusively focused on getting on the ballot, and they've been pretty successful at it. But they have been successful in anything else other than getting on the ballot because it's such a herculean effort, and no other third party can even come close to getting
on the ballot and a number of places. Yeah, that's right. And you know, I tend not to look at this as something that ought to be pursued politically. I look at this as more something that ought to be pursued intellectually, philosophically, and morally. If we could get enough people to accept the idea, hey, you own you, I own me. Let's agree to deal with each other voluntarily and peacefully. Let's not take each other's stuff, Let's not try to force other people to do what we want them
to do. Let's live and let live. If we could get back to that idea, which is a very Christian idea, by the way, to get back to that, I think that the political stuff would solve itself.
Yes yesterday I talked to Connor Boyak, who is the guy who put together the Tuttle Twins, and those books are focused mainly on economics and politics from a libertarian perspective, you know, taking apart socialism anything for as he put it, for young elementary school kids and politicians of that mentality, you know, and and so. And one of the first things that he said, absolutely one hundred percent agree with it. He said, we focus everything on
the presidential race, and we talk about that. There are some you know, hopefully there's some issues that present themselves because of that, but he said that's the area where we can have the least effect. And so what he's done besides his books, he's also got an organization there in the state that works on state level issues, and he's been able to get more than a hundred laws passed there in the state of Utah that actually increase freedom and free
markets and things like that. Where he says, you know, when he's worked with Mike Lea to get Mike Lely elected, and he said, you know, he said, I'm not saying that he's doing a bad job. It's just that you can't get really get anything done by getting one senator elected,
and you really can't get anything done by getting a president elected. And neither the people in Congress nor the president really want to go you throw themselves on the barbed wire and take the hits for this stuff and get it done. They all want to push this stuff off to the bureaucracy, which is how we got into the situation where the bureaucracy and the judiciary are controlling everything. They don't want to take any responsibility for anything, so they're more than
happy to abdicate that power to somebody else. Well. Sure, and we've got this more fundamental problem too. If people thinking that it's okay to vote for or support a politician to get the government to use its power, it's forced to do things that would be criminal if they did them themselves. Yes, yes, that is exactly the point, yep. And there was an
interesting in terms of talking about that. Reason had an interesting take on you know, Trump went to South Carolina and somebody presented him with a pistol that had his face card on the handle. Oh I love this, everybody loves it. I've got to buy this. And then his campaign manager said he did buy it. And then people said, well, he's not allowed to buy it because he's been indicted for felonies and that's a prohibition, and so
they through all this whole thing. Reason had a good take on it reason said, well, you know, if you stop and think about this, that's essentially the same law that Hunter Biden is being accused of, right, because you got to say I'm not even indicted for a felony, I'm not a convict, and I'm not indicted. You have to also say I'm not a drug addict and I'm not a user of drugs, and so you know. So, and their point was that a lot of people will excuse it
for the guy that they like. The Democrats will excuse this for Hunter, and the Republicans will excuse it for Trump and say he shouldn't be punished for any of this stuff. And yet the reality is is that you know, the law itself is wrong, and the atf itself is wrong. You shouldn't have people for non violent stuff not be able to own a gun or purchase a gun. Legally, that law in and of itself is wrong, and yet people will not come together to oppose that from both sides of political spectrum.
Instead, they'll use it as a weapon against the other guy on the other side. Yeah, and that's a moral failing and it leads you to be vulnerable. Essentially, this is why we have this sort of given this hyena tug over a piece of meat at a re election, because you're voting in the hope that a you'll be able to use the government to force your neighbor to do what you want him to do, and also so he won't get the power to do the same to you in return. That's an awful
way to have to live your life. It is, it really is. And you know, like I've said many times when I was trying to explain libertarianism to people, I would say, well, freedom is one thing you can't have unless you give it to other people, you know, And it's kind of like, you know, the Golden rule or whatever. There's all these different ways that you can try to explain it. But today the society has become so polarized. And that's the thing. The big issue that I
have with Trump is that they've become polarized over him. He's such a polarizing figure that they're making him a Mason Dixon line of a new civil war. And that's my real concern about all this stuff. And it's why, you know, when you look at these all these indictments, obviously they're going way over the top on him. While they let out of the things go. But we've seen this with the people that he inside it, that in diced and told to come January the sixth, and then abandoned them and left them
twisting in the wind. You know, these people have been given extreme punishments that are way beyond anything that is justified by anything that happened. Joe Bigso I used to work with seventeen years in prison, and he didn't get violent with anybody. This is absolutely insane, and this is the way they weaponize this system, and they really are trying to push us into a civil war. I think, yeah, well, and they're getting it closer and closer
all the time. I thought it was noteworthy as we're having these impeachment inquiries in the House, there's virtually no coverage of it on any of the major networks, as opposed to the twenty four seven endless harangues that were occurring whenever Adam Shift would say something about, you know, Russia influence Russia misinformation with regard to Trump, and what they're doing by doing that is causing people on
Trump's side of the aisle to become absolutely enraged and apoplectic about what's happening to their guy. Yes, they want to stoke it up. And you know, and Trump is actually, I think happy to see that happen because he raises money off of his off of his indictments. I mean, you know, millions of dollars off of these indictments. Every time another one comes.
It is like it's a big fundraising opportunity for him. James Carvill with the Democrats when they said they're going to begin impeachment hearings of Biden, goes, I can't believe are good for how do we get this lucky that they're going to impeach Biden because he knows it is going to help him as well. And you're talking about the way the media is skewing this stuff. You know, five million dollar bribe for Biden and another you know, how they're going
to split this thing up. They've got the emails, they've got this all, all this stuff memorialized in terms of FBI documents going back to June of twenty twenty, you know, several months before the election. And so you know, in the House, they're showing that this is memorialized by the FBI. They're showing emails that they got from Hunter Biden's laptop, and yet all I hear from the establishment media is well, there's nothing there. There's absolutely
nothing, and it's like, are you kidding me? This? It was mailed to his house and Anderson Cooper says, well, that doesn't prove anything. If it doesn't fit, you must have quit. Yeah, that's kind of like there was a scene from Working Girl where she comes home and she finds her husband in bed with somebody else and he gets up, he goes, it's not what you think. It's like, that's what these people are doing with Hunter Biden, Yes, and with everything I mean, it's just
beyond the point of absurdity as you see this stuff rolling forward. But it's always great talking to you, Eric, if we didn't get a chance to get into all your prep stuff, but we pretty much run out of time. I got a couple of comments that I need to read before we do
run out of time. But thank you so much for joining us again, folks, if you want great commentary on mobility, which is a foundational thing for liberty but also liberty mobility, and he talks about real cars that you can still kind of afford, and some of them they're starting to get more and more expensive. But I mean not talking about the hypercars that only the gazillionaires will be able to afford. But again, Eric Peters autos dot com
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