All right. Joining us now is doctor Shiva Aya do Ray. He is running for president and I tell you it really is an eye opener when you get involved in the political system like this. His website is Shiva the Number four president dot com Shiva for President. And you know, as we're talking about, we want to talk about ballot access specifically, but there's a broader
issues that are involved here as well. And you look at the headlines and the Republicans are going to go on offense to yank Biden from the ballot in various states, and they're cheering that in the uh uh, you know, the Maga press, and then you've even got Dissanta saying, well, if they kick Trump off the ballot, we're going to kick off Biden off the
ballot in Florida. They're angry about this because these two parties have been colluding for the longest time to control ballot access and that's what doctor Shiva is running up against. So thank you for joining us, sir. Great to be here, David, Thanks for that background. Yeah, you can tell people
what's going on right now with this immediately. Yeah, you know, with the ballot access, but I know there's other issues there but you know what is happening with what is it like to try to get on the ballot. It's crazy, isn't it. Well, well, what's interesting, David is you know, in the United States, if you're running for some office, let's say in your local state or city or you know, county, et
cetera. And it varies from state to state, county to county. The election people run the elections, typically who's known as the Secretary of State. They set up different requirements for you to get on the ballot. I'm making an example. If you want to run for dog catcher, there's four people, and let's say it's a voted election seat, you have to before you can even run as a dog catcher, you have to get certain number of
signatures to be on the ballot. If you're running for the United States Senate in Massachusetts, the number was you need to get ten thousand signatures that are bona fide signatures that they validate, right, right, And you have to pay them to validate these signatures as well. Right. Yeah, in some
places you do. You have to pay a fee, etc. And typically if you need to get ten thousand bona fide signatures, you actually better collect twenty thousand because they want to If you're an outside candidate, they're going to start throwing away his signatures or the slant is wrong, Oh we can't read it. So they have all these methods. But what I want to let everyone understand is to get your name on the ballot, they have a hurdle,
one of the hurdles. And I want to talk broadly about this hurdle, but then more broadly about all the hurdles they set up so working people, everyday people can never get someone like me, one of their own, even winning an office. See, and I want to talk about that. But ballot axis is one who gets visibility is another piece. And even if you make it over there to those things, they have all these mechanisms on
election day to flip votes. And we'll get to that. But ballid axis is the central aspect of democracy here, which is you have to get you know, fulfilled the requirements of the state to get X number of signatures and they're called ballot nomination petition signatures to get on the ballot. So I have experienced this level of what I call election fraud the larger framework at every level over the last five years. So let me begin with the ballot access process,
right. So when I ran for office, David in twenty eighteen against Elizabeth Warren, we needed to get ten thousand signatures to get on the ballot. Guess what we did it. How did we do it? We actually had amazing volunteers who stood out in the cold and rain in front of the shopping centers and collected How did they get on the ballot? Well, they actually collect money, and they pay consultants to do that. And the interesting thing, David is I never saw Elizabeth Warren, I never saw any of
the other candidates ever collecting signatures. So part of me is convinced that they have another method where they probably have a boiler room where they have people writing signatures. I can't prove that yet, but I can tell you over the last four years, I never saw them collecting signatures. I don't know how it works in Massachusetts, but I know that in North Carolina where we worked, the Democrats and Republicans had to do nothing. They didn't have to collect
any Yeah, they grandfathered him in and they said you will. They had a thing set up so they kicked all the independent and third parties off each election cycle. They said, you've got to get a number of votes it's equivalent to ten percent of the vote's cast for president, or you're not going to stay on the ballot. And we said that's crazy, and so every time you'd have to go back, and they eventually had a lawsuit and got that lowered, but they still have to go out and collect the signatures,
and Republicans and Democrats do not have to collect the signatures. They just float through, and so it is something that is an extra burden. Waste your time, It wasted your money to do that, because we had to pay for the signature variation of validation as well. So it really when they had it in the lawsuit, the argument was, this is like the Greek Sissyphus legend, right where the guy pushes the bowlder up the hill and then it
rolls back down. He's going to do that for eternity. That's what exactly what it's like in most of these states. Yeah, so in twenty eighteen, we had amazing volunteers. We got on the ballot, and that blew them away. Right in twenty twenty we got on the ballot again. Hard work. We had working people, every one of our volunteers. None of them was paid, David. They had full time jobs, mothers, retired people, people, working class people, and then they would go after work
and stand for two hours and very diligently collect signature. So we played by the rules. Now, when you run for president, as I'm doing right now, as David, you mentioned Schiva for president, dot com people and go look at what we're all about. But every state, right has different requirements to get on the ballot. There's no uniform set of requirements. In Utah, for example, we have to get a thousand signatures to get on the ballot. In Massachusetts we need ten thousand. In Florida we need one
hundred and thirty thousand. They make it a percentage of the last governor's race, right, So if you add up all the things, that comes close to one point five million signatures you need all right. So again, as you mentioned, David, the Democrats and Republicans are two multi billion dollar, trillion dollar parties, whatever you want to call them, with all the backing. They don't have to collect any signatures. They're de facto ruled in and
this is anti democratic if they're going to off all the rules. If you are an outsider, independent candidate or anyone else. You have to collect those one point five million signatures. Now how do you do it? Well, if it's legitimate, you have volunteers who love you, who are willing to be dedicated. They go out and collect. Now I call him boobyf and Kennedy. You know, he's acting like he's an independent, but he's totally
supports Zionism. He's you know, he is four full vaccination of all American He's a completely duplicit as individual. So he has positioned himself as a anti fake, anti styleblishment candidate. So in Utah, David, you needed just one thousand signatures. And so what he did was he went in the did backroom deals, Oh I don't have I can't collect these signatures, and then
goes online and begs for people to give him money. And some big pack gave him fifteen million dollars to collect one thousand signatures, right right, fifteen million. I mean that means he has no support. You see, these people don't have real working people's support. They're from the swarm from above. And so for him, he's got a war chest and he'll go pay consultants who are his friends ten bucks a signature. That's how he calculated it.
Ten dollars stimes one point five million in our case. So in Utah, I actually went out there. We in a few days, we collected, we trained our volunteers. Five hundred, six hundred signatures. Boom, done in a couple of days. All right, So how do you collect signatures? Well, this is where it gets even more interesting. So for ordinary people like us to let signatures, we have to go out into the world,
into the public. Well. The typical place that people have found consistently the best place to collect signatures if you have a retailer, like a grocery store like a Harman's in Utah, or a Whole Foods or a Star market. You know, you typically go stand outside, you have your you know, your pad, and you say hi, you know, would you like
to put a candidate on the ballot. Most people who signed say, well, yeah, I want Even though they may be Republican or Democrat, the egalitarian nature people yeah, I want to see more people and they sign They do now they do. And that's the thing that's interesting is and we saw that when we would do signatures, they say, well, I don't necessarily suborning. But I think we don't have the choices that we need to open up. Exactly, yeah, exactly, and it wasn't about So now what
happens for the a young volunteer who's enthusiastic they come to your campaign. When they typically go out in front of let's say a Whole Foods or a store, the store manager will come out, Hey, you can't be here collecting signatures. This is where the intimidation begins. The store manager doesn't know the rules. And then the typical volunteer will say, oh really, and they'll
leave because they're afraid. But the educated volunteer will say, no, I have the right to be here because there have been Supreme Court rulings, State Supreme Court rulings, and so where it gets very interesting, since going back to nineteen thirty nine, nineteen eighty, twenty fourteen, many rulings where the courts did the right thing here, David, they said, okay, in fairness for every day working people to get on the ballot, they have to
go to these areas where there's lots of people. And what the courts did and they did the right thing, they said during an election cycle, so that's the first predicate and second predicate, you're collecting nomination signature put on the ballot, and the person collecting is not harassing people are obstructing the way. Guess what that private property gets super The private property rights get superseded by the
individual individual's constitutional rights. Quite amazing. So the issue is the court said, Okay, yeah, that person owns that parking lot. Yes it's private property, but you know a lot of people going through there. It's a town square. And so the court said during an election cycle and when they're collecting nomination signatures and they cannot be obstructing harassing people, they have their right to collect nominations signatures. One of them was a prune Yard ruling that went
up to the Supreme Court. Well me, let me ask you what was the date on that, because that's nineteen eighty. That's good because you know, I talk many times when I talk about censorship and the digital public square, as Jack Dorsey said eight or nine times under oath when he's being asked about it. You go back to nineteen forty six and there's a case called
Marsh versus Alabama. It was a company owned town and somebody was handing out religious tracks, and they you know, banned them from doing it, and they fought it to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said, even if the public square is privately owned, you can't stop free speech in the public square. And so it's very similar to that, and I wish we could broaden that out. It's good that they did that, right to say, I think the nineteen forty six thing was perfect. I think this ruling
you're talking about allowing people to collect signatures in a public place. Yes, it's also appropriate. It is a way to send this out to the social media and other things. Yes. Yeah, But the thing is these have been ruled. They've been Supreme rulings. That one before after Pruneyard, which was nineteen eighty was Batchelder versus Allied stores to collect signature. So anyway,
now what's happened is, David, think about this. You would think every law enforcement officer, before they get their badge and they get their guns, would be trained on this basic fundamental ruling because it's so connected to democracy, elections and constitutional rights. So this is how the elites work. They make sure they don't train the cops. They make the cops us versus them, right, or the fake us versus them. They make them our enemy.
So I've had many instances. Because I'm articulated, I know the law, I always win these arguments. So I'll give you an example. We were at Whole Foods. Once you know, the store manager says you have to leave. We say, no, we have the right to be here. Would you like to sign my papers? Okay? And then they say, oh, you're trespassing. We said, well, please call your supervisor or
please have the police come. We'll explain it to them. Cruisers will show up, guys with you know, all puffed up, Hey, you can't be here, you have to leave. Typically the lower over officers. We said, no, I want to let you know that we have a right to be here. There's been the Pruniyard rulings of glove Ski rulings during an election cycle. You know, when we're collecting signatures, we're not harassing anyone. This area becomes a public square. And then you go, WHOA,
no, you have to leave. I said, please call your supervisor. So it keeps escalating. The supervisor shows up, and then typically those guys will say hold on, they call the attorney and they'll Most of the time, if you're you know, stand firm and you're able to articulate, they say, Okay, you have the right to be here, but you can't harass people. And they'll go tell the store manager. That happened to us when we were collecting signatures just eight weeks ago in Utah. Okay, our
volunteers are collecting. The store manager says, you can't collect. I said, we have the right to collect free. Police officers show up start wanting everyone's IDs, and then I said, please bring your supervisor. The supervisor is quite nice. He said, oh, I'm really interested in case law. We said, this is a reality. He called it the state attorney. He said, you have the right to be here. He reprimanded, Actually, the store manager, that is the reasonable way. But think about
what we have to do, David. We have to do this education. Yes, right, we have to do all this work. Democrats, Republicans and others don't. Booby Kennedy doesn't have to do that. He just pays people to collect signatures. But if you're an ordinary working clas person like me, and if you have working class supporters, think about the barrier to entry. First of all, getting volunteers to go collect signatures on a cold days difficult. Then they have to face a police They have to face all this
intimidation, and this is where the election fraud really begins. Now, it got quite egregious. And the reason I called you, David, I'm very kind that you wanted to discuss this is because January seventh, which is this Sunday, which was really the twelfth anniversary of my mom's passing, I was doing a memorial service at the house and I get an urgent call from our state leader in Kentucky. Okay, amazing. One of the most well mannered
young gentlemen I've ever met. He works as a full time electrician, right gets up at seven in the morning, works until four. Working class guy. He's seen all my videos, loves our campaign, you know, went through all of our training and became the state leader in Kentucky. We have a couple hundred volunteers here. While he goes out to a Walmart by himself on a Sunday, because you know, we need five thousand signatures. So he's standing out in front of the Walmart, not inside, outside, very
respectful, waving to people collecting signatures. He had collected around seven signatures. What ends up happening is a Walmart store employee comes out again. A multi billion dollar company who sells all sorts of Chinese crap. Okay, excuse my language, comes out and says you can't be here, and he says, no, I have the right to be here. Here's a puneyard ruling, etc. Then the supervisor comes out, you know, harassing him, and
he goes, no, I have the right to be here. Again, this is a working class American citizen who has been trained in the First Amendment, stating I have a right to be here, all right. Then police show up and he said, and the officer says, you're trespassing, up to leave. He goes, no, officer, I have a right to be here. Guess what they do, David. They handcuff him, put
him in the back of a cruiser. I was on the phone with the police officer Nick, you know, he called me right and I said, officers, please let him go, right, he has a right to be here. And they take him to the police station, take off all his clothes, strip search him, cavity search him. Wow, okay, this is in the United States, put jail clothes on him, and then I did a live and I said, hey, people call the Kentucky police and I think they got a little bit concerned. Hundreds of calls came in,
so they released him. That evening, he leaves a police station, he opens up his wallet. His money is missing. Wow, they don't give him money. They stole his money. And then he had to walk back to his car at Walmart. And this is an American citizen, a working class person who supports someone like me. So the issue is it's obvious the swarm, the elites do not want us David having one of our own in
any level representing us. And think about the scene here Walmart, multi billion dollar company who billions hundreds of millions during the pandemic while small stores were getting shut down. Here's a police officer who's supposed to defend the constitution and the
rights of the constitution. What does he do He serves a multi billion dollar company's rights, doesn't purposely, was never trained or did choose no train takes advantage of a young twenty eight year old, working class US citizen electrician who on a Sunday has not done any crime, handcuffed, put in the back of a cruiser, strip searched, Cavity searched, Wow, and his money stolen. Wow. And this is the level of how the elites do not want any one of us. David, I mean, I think I deserve
to have a shot at being president. Okay, you have to get on so they have the ballot access. It's like a king has various ways the peasants can't get in. He's got the big walls, and he's got the moat, and then he's got other whatever alligators. Right, So the first so when you step back at this, and I've experienced all four of these things. Number one, they denied visibility to outsiders, meaning you don't get
on mainstream media, you don't get to be on the debate stage. I experienced that in twenty eighteen, we collected twenty thousand signatures, we got ballot access. I was the independent candidate. I was supposed to be on the stage. I hit all the poll numbers. Elizabeth Warren, the Republicans and the Democrats colluded's right to keep me off the debate stage. They've always take one that I had to take twenty thousand dollars out of our bank account hire
a lawyer. That lawyer as he was representing us. He turned out he was a big Paul Ryan supporter, so he actually screwed up the case on purpose. So we were denied all the mainstream media visibility all the debate because they knew if I got on, I would win. So one is who gets visibility, and right now you can see the elections. They Trump gets
visibility, Biden gets visibility. Hilly. They even went and found a brown skinned guy looks like me who speaks anti establishment but is the most pro zionist establishment guy. You can imagine, Vivike, the snake I call him, comes out of nowhere. Yeah, you see, overnight they give visibility to people. Is Martin ability? Is Martin Scairelli a big farm of bro as well? Yeah, not only that, he's a liar, he's a cheater.
He said he was against affirmative action, took affirmative action scholarships. He made up a bogus drug with his mother, took it, public tanked the drug. This guy's a complete scumbag, but they knew, Hey, there's that guy, doctor Shiva. He's truly anti establishment. So they have literally watched what we do. He's a chatchipt okay version. Yeah, so they first step of election fraud system is who gets visibility. Second step is who
gets ballid access. Now, what occurred to us in twenty twenty was we got ballid and we had massive visibility, David. We raised two million bucks in a federal election for US Senate, and we challenged the GOP establishment. We had bumper stickers, we had huge billboards. We put about a million bucks into billboard signs. Our opposition GOP establishment candidate couldn't even race two hundred grand. The GOP had to give it to him. So think about that.
We overcame the visibility, we overcame the ballot access. And then what do they do to us in twenty twenty, They flipped the machines. They stole our election in the molt nine counties in Massachusetts. We won overtly in the hand counted paper ballot county everywhere else sixty forty sixty forty. That resulted in my famous lawsuit where we exposed how the government colludes with social media. I'm not going to go there, but I have experienced, as a hard
working American, all levels of these four levels of election fraud. They have the election fraud on election day, which I've talked about and written about and then major papers about right which is a signature verification of the chain of custody. But the real election fraud begins with who gets visibility and who gets ballid access. So in the United States right now, we have to get on
the ballot in every state. The unfortunate thing for them, David, we have about one hundred thousand volunteers, working people, and this is what scares them so much is that we will actually do it legitimately. We don't notice. I've not asked for money one time during this conversation. People want to volunteer. Great Our Movement for Truth for them and health is a part of our campaign. Wants to mobilize Americans to wake up and realize that these hard
thought rights no other country has. And so what they do is they make the law enforcement officers ignorant, They make people ignorant, tossert their rights. When you assert your rights, they do cavity searches and they trip. It's crazy. So anyone listening, you can tweet all day, you can talk about how bad the world is, but we are actually on the ground, actually where the rubber meets a road fighting. One of the most important fights,
which is ballid access. That's right, and doing it the legitimate way, not begging for money like Booby Kennedy or the Democrats or Republicans. We're actually mobilizing people who go out in the midst of their busy schedules, stand out on the cold one hundred people pass by five people aside. That's a lot of effort. David, Oh, that's the people that have come to our campaign. I agree. Yeah. And you know, when you look
at this, it has always made me so angry. It's one of the reasons why I don't like Democrats or Republicans, especially the institutions that are there, because you go back and you look at the ballot access and then being able to get into the debates, even if you jump through all these extra hoops that they set up for everybody else, then they still won't let you
in the debates. And the debates used to be run by the League of Women Voters, and then they would apply a different set of rules and you would get a few independent and third party candidates in the debates. And so then Theublicans and Democrats looked at this and said, oh, we can't have
that. So they created a Presidential Debate Commission and other state commissions. Well they did in North Carolina was they created their debate Commission was run by the media, by the press, and the press coluded with them to keep anybody except for Republicans and Democrats out of the debates because they're looking at the people who are going to give them money and who always give them money, and so they would set up these different constructs that would change who was there.
And they say, well, you know, we've created this Presidential Debate Commission and it's a private entity funded by the Democrats and Republicans, so they can make any rules that they want. They can exclude anybody that they want. And they did the same thing with the press, and we saw the same game being run when they were censoring people on social media. They said, well, these are private companies, they can do whatever they want. And
we knew that the censorship was coming from the federal government. We knew that the exclusion was coming from the Democrat and Republican parties when it came to the debates and when it came to the ballots. It's so transparent, but they always use these things constructs to bamboozle people. This truly is annoying. Yeah,
and David, they know now people are waking up to this. And so what they're doing is they create the fake anti establishment people, what I call the not so obvious establishment people who are gotten very good at watching the videos I do you do and saying, oh, people really like that. So you have now people just talking the talk. Booby Kennedy just talks to talk, right, or Trump or all of these people, or Alex Jones or Joe Rogan. They have the media that you know and is a part
of that. They have the Yeah, but they create mainstream alternative media, if you will. I call them the Malaga Bird Press, you know, Operation Maga instead of Mocking Bird. Yeah. Right, So now they have the old media and now they have the neo establishment media of the grifter media network. Right, And so we're in a very important time. But our campaign, David, is giving people this unique opportunity to understand this dynamic,
to become truly enlightened citizens. And then we say, hey, look, get on the ground, get on the ground, hand out a flyer. You know, people can go to shop for president dot com. Let people understand that what's been going on in this country for the last sixty years. The lifespan of your child now is less than you. If you have a child right now, it's going to be short. We want people to exercise
these rights. Yes, it's hard to go collect signatures, but do it because you will have this incredible experience because you have to realize, Wow, I have to collect signatures. I got to collect one hundred and fifty thousand signatures in Florida. How do I do that? Well, that means you got to have you know, one hundred volunteers who each collect fifteen hundred signatures. Well, how do I do that? That means you got to make
sure You've got to mobilize people. Then you've got to motivate people to go out. That's a lot of work. They don't have to do anything. These people are all cheers. They never work. They never work. They never work. They talk about working. You know, we're patriots. We want to work right. And by the way, it's like that a God created Trump thing, you know, talking about how he works all day and then he delivers his grandchild and then he has to you know, make lunch
for himself and everybody else. I mean, he's like, what in the world it's totally made up, you know anyway, Sorry, Yeah, well, David, I think this is a key what they're doing is I was on a video interview with the young gentleman, you know, he's in his twenties, and he was like, yeah, the snake says a lot of good things. I said, listen, your generation better realize you start you have to look at not what people say, but what they do. That's
right. They're watching chat GPT, they have predictive analytics. They will just say anything now right, Oh yeah, January sixth was you know, was a conspiracy against us? Okay, they'll just say that. They don't know what they're saying. They'll say anything they need to say to win people back to the establishment. That's right, and that's what this is about. As people break, they want to bring people back in ye and they do not want people in closing. What I want to share, David, what we're
doing is we're telling people we got to build this bottoms up movement. We have to go do the work. And what you realize is that the establishment does not. It's really class war in some ways. They do not want they have started the class war. The elites in this case protected Walmart, a multi billion dollar company quote unquote property rights versus the individual's constitutional right to rightfully collect signatures during an election cycle on validate. That's what the cops are
trained to do or not trained to assert the constitutional rights. And this is deliberate. Me. Let me jump in there and say that. You know, when you look at this situation you talked about in Kentucky where they violate even the federal law, they don't care about that, just like they often
violate the constitution. Don't care about that. And when you experience that, and when people see that happening, and if you're not the one who's arrested in strip search and the cavity search, you see that happening to somebody else. And I think that another thing that's very important about this I've said has to be from the bottom up, from the grassroots up, like you're talking about. And it drives home the point to them that I've said all along.
I said, it's very very important who is at the local level, because they can make things better or they can make them much worse. In this particular case, you got a federal law that was making things better, and then you've got the local officials there, the police, and whoever is over those local officials. They need to be held accountable in this next election. And I hope that is something that people who are watching this and your
signature effort. I hope they pay attention to those local elections. Whether it's somebody who's a sheriff or whether it's a town council that's going out and hiring these police, they need to be held accountable for that particular situation. You need to find some people who are going to support individual liberty or at least promise that they're going to do, and then you evaluate them by what they
do the next election. But that's the other part of it, is to see this tyranny that is happening and to understand that that's another thing that needs to be addressed from a grassroots up. Yeah. Yeah, what's interesting David, Kentucky is the home of Rand Paul Thomas Massy, and I tweeted at both of them. Okay, now, in my view they say some good things, but in my view that you know, just like you have certain tokens. You know, Massi is their token constitutionalist, okay, and Ran
Paul just sort of mimics certain things. But this occurred in Kentucky, a red state where people are supposedly patriots. Think about what I'm saying, and they didn't reply when you tweeted at him. They didn't have anything, nothing, nothing. And look he went to mitm and MIT alumni with him. Okay, so this is a point here because he's part of the Republican Party. I'm not part of that club, right, but you should defend the
rights of Americans whatever they are. And what I predict is going to happen in twenty twenty four. The elites know that they have been conducting class war against working people in the United States, and people are waking up to that. So in order to so subsume that reality, they're going to have blacks versus whites, fighting red versus blue. And that's how you started this conversation, David Ooh, Trump versus Biden. Trump is somehow the victim to Biden
and Biden. You see. So they're going to create the red versus Blue quote unquote, you know, civil war, and it's more vital to them, not just for their political control, but even for their economic control. Jordan Schlacktel has an article saying, look at the Washington Post. They're going bankrupt before Trump, and then they had a you know, a real boom during Trump, and now that he's gone and they've got a cadaver in the
White House, Washington Post is on the ropes again. So it's to their advantage, just like as to Biden's advantage and all the rest of them, to come after Trump to make him a victim because it energizes their base. It energizes Trump's base. They get everybody involved, and it's all over the personality. It's not over anything that has to do with them at all. It's not about any issues. It's about This isn't competing personalities. It's wrestling.
It's professional wrestling exactly. And this is a very important point, David. I think you know I've made for a long time when I figured this out when I was seventeen, that this is WWF you know, we we called WWWE wrestling. And the promoters of the fights are the ones who make money because they got a hypeit. The promoters here are the media companies, yes, right to Washington Post, New York Times. Without this fake dialectic,
they make nothing. And what's even more interesting is when you actually peel away the layer, and you find out that the person who owns WWE, the person who owns UFC, I'm talking about the actual person. The person who owns the biggest Hollywood agency which owns all the actors, and the person who owns many politicians is one guy, Ariy Emmanuel, Ery Emmanuel Ram Emmanuel's brother owns formerly known as William Morris Agency. He owns all the A list
actors, Joe Rogan, all these people. In fact, he was Trump's agent for his books. Trump was going to bring him as the chief of staff. But one gentleman who's by the way, pro zionist, you know, very close connection with Masat, etc. One person in the United States whose brother is Rob Emmanuel, and you can go study the history of this person is a pro ultrazionist who owns WWE, which is to entertain the masses. He owns UFCD again distract the people, and he owns pretty much every
A list actor in Hollywood who zips up. And he's the agent. He was the agent of Obama, he's the agent of Joe Rogan and the agent of Donald Trump. And you can look at this one individual. So they
are literally conducting political theater, Hollywood Theater, Worldwide Wrestling theater. And this is how they're keeping people entertained while they want to suppress hardworking people like me and you and others David who actually want to build these bottoms up movements or are volunteer who takes time off from his work or on a Sunday goes collect signatures. So this is anti American working person. Yes, that's what this
is about. They do not want us having our own leaders. They want to control the top down, so they have this media enterprise that gives who gets visibility okay speak anti establishment rhetoric. After you know, Joe Rogan will talk about stuff five years later after it's you know, or even Tucker. Yeah, it's like, you know, is funny. I couldn't talk about building seven all this time, and it's like you can't ask questions about that
or they'll fire. And he's still not saying what do you think has happened with him? Yeah? Well whatever. You're not a journalist, because you should be putting here. You're making twenty million if you're a journalist. Oh do you need that much money? Why don't you move out of your house and be a real journal sacrifice something. Oh, I couldn't do that. Well, why couldn't you do that? Because you needed to have close relationships with Hunter Biden, live in the same area, so here, so Hunter
Biden could write recommendation letters for your son. You're a sellout. You were always a sellout. Don't talk about now you're a martyr. You never put your ass on the line. And that's what these people are. They make themselves into be fake martyrsolt theater. But what happened in Franklin, Kentucky was
not theater. What occurs to our volunteers every day when they go out and any independent candidate who really is bottoms up the intimidation they have to face the education we have to do on the basic laws that should be unnecessary in the United States. That's right, but that's what we've become, David. And this is where the real election fraud begins, with ballot access, with who gets visibility, and then they have the other election fraud on election night.
And I've experienced all four versions of election fraud as a federal candidate. Hmm. And then of course I got a lot worse with all the lockdowns and you can't vote in person and we're going to mail out ballots to you. That was a whole new level of fraud. That's right. And I said to people in twenty twenty, I said, I'm not voting for Trump. Oh you're gonna support Biden. It's like, no, I don't support Biden
either with this stuff. But I said, look at why are we even having an election if he turned over the government to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats and then he adds this layer of corruption. And everybody was talking about what was going happened months before. It was going to be total chaos, total fraud, and it was. And then they motivate, They mobilized everybody into a fundraising aspect that culminated into you know, from the Save America to the
Stop to Steal in January the sixth. It's such an amazing fraud all the way through. This talk a little bit though about what you tell people in terms of you mentioned the life issues and things like that. You've got a much broader message than just politics. Yeah, you're talking about health and truth
and freedom, those things, right, David. Yeah. Yeah. Look so David, I have been a student of understanding systems, all systems, systems of power, engineering systems, health systems systems and what I you know, having grown up you know in a cast system, right, Having seen this, having grown up as a working class kid in New Jersey, I realized there are these hard working people who keep getting mistreated. So I was
really interested in understanding these systems of power. And I realized that if you're ever going to change, if you're ever going to build anything, like build a new world, change the world, you always need scientific principles. And engineers know this. If you're going to build an iPhone, you better understand some basic physics, right, if you're going to build anything. And what I uncovered, David, was the foundations of all systems in the world.
All systems in the world, David, come down to engineering principles which were discovered in the nineteen twenties. They actually date back thousands of years. And what I used to teach it in my team, we've started educating people on understanding systems principles. It should be tired of kindergarten and what those systems principles reveal, David, without getting into the physics of it, but simply put,
there's a deep connection between freedom, truth and health. Freedom and when you study the systems principles, it's the aspect of motion, movement of things. In engineering we call it the word transport, movement of information, matter, and energy. Freedom is an important principle for any society. Me being able to talk, move freely, physically, move right, information, mattern
and energy, you know, communicate through media. Now with freedom you can have or transport, as we say in dugery, you can have another process which is essential nature called conversion, taking things from one form and converting them. So in the area of truth, you and I can have all sorts of ideas. Why it apple falls to the earth, right, But when you have freedom, scientific freedom, where you can have discourse, we have to put all of our ideas. You have to apply the scientific method,
you have to do experiments, and then you have to validate it. That's the conversion process in this case, right of taking ideas. You know, in the open marketplace of ideas, you come to truth. Truth is really a verb right because it's always being refined. Right. Because you may find today that you know that the laws of motion relate to a certain body of laws, but when things move at the speed of light, you have to change them. That was Einstein's right. It wasn't Newton was wrong, but
you have to refine it. So truth is a process that cannot exist without this process of free flow of information. But when you have freedom and truth, now you can talk about your physical infrastructure, health, your physical health, right, the health of your economy, your country. But you need all three. Without health, you can't really fight for freedom or truth.
So you need all these strength. So our movement, our campaign, as we have in our booker sticker by the way, quick little pitch, I want everyone to go get one of these because you can reach one hundred thousand people if you place this on the back of your car. It's a way that you can have a lot of freedom but truth, freedom and health basically says you can't just talk about the First Amendment and Second Amendment. You have
to physically take care of your health. You have to learn how to take care of your economic health, and you have to learn the process of science how you achieve truth. Right. So that's why David, I think you and I can sure when you look at it from a truthful standpoint, Trump is not one of us. He didn't fight for us. Okay, Alex Jones, is you and I have talked about this is theatrics. He knew Trump was bad, but he was making money selling his supplements to the magagrat.
Right, that's not a truthful person. So when you are willing to truly be a fighter for truth, freedom, health, you concur and you come to the conclusion that we need to build the bottoms up movement. So our campaign is number one based on help. One of the areas is healthcare. And by the way, every Thursday's, David, we do orientations open house Thursday at eleven am or eight pm. People can go to Shiva for President slash town hall and sign up or Vishiva dot com slash orientation. We
do these open houses and our open houses David Rotate, Okay. One open house is on healthcare. And when we talk about healthcare, David, we don't say after I get into office. We actually teach people with the immune system is how they can take care of their immune system. As a PhD in systems biology, it's my full time job. You take care of their immune system, you take care of your entire body. The immune system is deeply linked with aging systems. So we're teaching people that, David, We're
teaching millions of people right now. Becoming president, I'll use a bully pulpit of the White House to reach billions. The next thing we talk about is environment. What is our environment policy, Support your local farmers, support local food. You know, once you get into that and different economy establishes, we teach people how to do that at our open houses. Next week. Talk about education, David. Since nineteen seventy, after the Department of Education
took over, people are not learning how to think. They're being told what to think. Now, how to think is the system's process. You know, we live in a world of complex systems. So you know, I've built a whole body of curriculum That've been doing for years at Truthfreedom Health dot com. People it's free for anyone thirteen through eighteen, and if you're an adult, you take and you can give it away free. It's in homage to one of my mentors, Jay Forrester, who believe that at the young
age we have to teach people how to think. System sinking is the way. So we teach people that innovation, David, Innovation, you don't need to be in Silicon Value, you don't need to go to MIT now here's my copyright for the invention of email. I did this before I came to MIT, when I was a fourteen year old kid working in Newark. So they're very smart people outside the bastions of major academia, and that's where most of the great innovations came from. A fourteen year old boy actually created TV
in Franklin, Idaho. Right, So it's important. So we teach people as an innovator, what are the seven key critical things to innovate? Right, But we are doing these in these open houses, David, we're doing more than the National Science Foundation. And then we teach people governance. What are the attributes of a leader? Right? Do you say the right thing at the right time? You know, Tucker Carlson is not any leader. He delays truth. Glenn Greenwald is not any leader. He watches which way
the wind blows. Right. Each people are using when they expose truth, it's for entertainment value. They never say the right thing, and in fact, when they expose truth, they expose a little piece of it. And then finally, David, we talk about the economy. You know, last open house, we actually taught people what compound interest is. Okay, why you should take. You know, what is a diversified portfolio. No other
presidential candidates teaching people. We are teaching the working people how to take care of their bodies, how to eat the proper foods. You know, how they educate their children from a system standpoint, and so on. So our campaign is already delivering solutions and the entire you know, our movement is delivering solutions to win truth, freedom, health. That's what we're about, and that's what I've been doing all my life, David. These people create problems.
I create solutions. Right, they create problems, We create solutions. It's very simple. And if you can look at this graft, David, look at the problem they've created since nineteen seventy sixties to today, the light. If you have a child today, your child's lifespan is going to be
shorter than yours. Right, they create problems, they create problems, invalid access, everywhere they go, they create problems, and then like you said, David, they create the dialectic ooh, I'm going to solve the problem left and right and give me money, send emails, give me money. So they create problems, they create the chaos, and they need that to run their business model. Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, it's you know, and by design, I mean they're not stupid, they're not flunkies,
they weren't deceived. It's a very clever, calculated thing. And so that's why it's important for you to counter this and to show people. You know, I talk frequently about just the free speech aspect and propaganda and how this has grown from newspapers to radio to television, and then when they go to social media, what does that bring to the table. They've got a closed
loop feedback system. They can praxiicly measure their propaganda, and they can fine tune their narrative in real time, and then they don't have to try to approximate it with poles or anything like that. They've got it exactly. And so that's what we're up against. We're up against people who are very calculating,
people who are very smart designing. They've got a long time frame that they're working on this stuff, and so that's why it's very important what you're doing in terms of pointing this out to people, getting people, educating them to make their life better. And of course a part of that I think is the politics. We've got to stop these people from coming at us, and it's important to find that at every level, you know, from bottom
up. And I think that's exactly what you're doing. I really do appreciate what you're doing, doctor Shiva, thank you for coming on and explaining that to us. It's very important how this system is rigged from the get go. You know, they folk get little things and they blow them up and micro focus on them. And the micro focus is simply talking about how it affects Trump. We don't even care about anything else. That's what's truly amazing.
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