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INTERVIEW Dr. Shiva - A Choice That's NOT "Lesser of Two Evils"

Oct 29, 202451 min
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  • "Save Yourself" - there's no help coming from DC or the 2 parties.  That's the message of Dr. Shiva who joins to tell you where you can write him in.
  • What's the difference between "The Deep State" and the "Swarm" - how do we understand the threat?
  • Fair and open elections BEGIN with BALLOT ACCESS — and grassroots volunteers are fighting in court rather than being bankrolled by multi-millionaires and billionaires
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Speaker 1

All right, welcome back, folks, and joining us now is doctor Shiva Aya do rat and he again we're about a week away. And uh, I really, as I said earlier in the program, I really like what he is doing because he is taking this thing that everybody is manic about and he's using it to transcend this pettypartisan contest to get people to look at meaningful things that they can do in.

Speaker 2

Their life and other places.

Speaker 1

So the website, if I'm going by memories, that Shiva for President, the number four for president, is that correct?

Speaker 3

Yeah, David, that's the site for coming to the campaign. But the other site that we invite people to get educated is Shatter the Swarm dot com. Yes, Shatter the Swarm dot com, which is a site that really educates people have a few control the many. And then our

larger movement, you know, is Truth, Freedomhealth dot com. Chiva for President dot com is our camp paying website, Shattered the Storm as an educational website, we're in fifteen minutes we explain to people this entire system dynamics of power, profit control, and that leads them to the larger global movement for truthfreedomhealth dot com. So those are the three sites. So it's a very methodical approach that we have to educate people.

Speaker 2

And I like what you're doing.

Speaker 1

I think the best way that we can use this is to channel people into something that is above all of this. Let's talk just briefly, since we're a week away from the election. As I said, I've got a listener who just check their ballot in Iowa, saw that you're on the ballot there. Talk about where you're on the ballot, talk about what it takes to write you in and which states you have qualified for being totally tallied in terms of a write in.

Speaker 3

Yes. First of all, David, to everyone listening. In the United States, we have something called the electoral College, and in every state you have to find electors, and the number of electors vary, and those as electoris, have to go get signatures to get you on the ballot even listed your name, or even as a write in, it's not it's very difficult to even be a write in for a presidential campaign. So your votes are counted. So in California, to be listed, we have to get like

three hundred thousand signatures. Right, There's no way we could have done that, but we did get ourselves the ability to be a write in candidate, which in of itself is quite extraordinary. You have to get one hundred and eight electors David Wow, which we just finish. Okay. So in every state in the United States except for New Mexico, Nevada, Hawaii, and Alaska, at minimum, people can write in doctor Shiva,

Dr period Siva, doctor Shiva as Hiva. By law, the Supreme Court is ruled it is the intent of the voter. So if you don't put you can write in Shiva or doctor Shiva. There's not any other Shiva's running for president, right, So.

Speaker 2

When they don't have to use your last name, I do.

Speaker 1

They don't have they put vay to remember, yeah, doctor Shiva or Shiva, right, because that is.

Speaker 3

The intent of the voter. Every write in vote gets kicked out of the machine day, but then it gets hand counted, so that's an advantage that we have. So that's a good thing, right, it gets hand counted. In thirteen states we actually got signatures to be listed on the ballot, so our names are supposed to appear on the ballot. Among them was Washington, Iowa, Idaho, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Kentucky, missing a few here, I think I said Minnesota, right, Tennessee,

and Nebraska and a few others. Its about thirteen of them. In those states, six of them took us off the ballot illegally, unconstitutionally, which are in litigation right now. So those states you can write us in. But in Washington State you'll see our name. If you're in Massachusetts, you see our name and you just you know, circle in our name. That's easy. But in every state except those four states which don't allow right ends, you can write

in doctor Shiva. So it's been a pretty extraordinary effort, David, with less than one hundred thousand dollars that we created a national organization. We got on all of these ballots with electors, with leaders in forty six states, and we're listed in at minimum seven to eight states, you know,

And in the other four we're doing litigation. One of them is going all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, the other is going to appellate courts, and we are challenging the entire process of ballot access end to end. And we just had a major win in Tennessee. Even the judge split the baby inhalf. The opposition said, oh, this case should be thrown out because you know the election is only four days away. The

case is moot. We've printed the ballots. We are argued that using a very very important nineteen six nine ruling, and the judge gave us that win even though he dismissed it, which we're going to go to the public court. He said, this case is not moot because the constitutionality of ballot access can never be moot because the timelines

are so short. So this is a huge win. We had a big precedent here saying that because from the time they try to throw you off the ballot illegally to the time you can file a lawsuit, it's only like thirty days. The Supreme Court. So the Supreme Court, in a very important case called I forget the name, It's Ogilvy versus something Else, ruled that ballot access issues are never moot. Anderson versus Kalibris was one of them,

John Anderson, where it got adjudicated three years later. So we're going to continue all these lawsuits long after the election, fighting for everyday people that we all have equal right access to the ballots. This is a big win. Kennedy only did one state and then he ran away. Hocketed is twenty million and ran away.

Speaker 1

Okay, that's amazing, But you know that is that is very, very key what you're doing in terms of the fighting for ballot access. As a principal, I said this with all of the back and forth about what happened in twenty twenty, I said, you understand that the election is rigged from ballot access. And I said, if you want to have honest elections, you've got to start with ballot access. And then the second thing that you got to do is have debate access. If somebody makes it on the ballot,

they need to be on the debate. But you know, then you can talk about all the rest of the stuff. Then you can talk about the machines and the you know, the computers and the paper ballots and how it's counted and all the rest of them. But you've got to get it right at the very beginning with ballot access. And that's why what you're doing is really key, that

ballot access fight. That's that's been one of the key means of controlling our election and shutting it down, you know, keeping people men out of the debate so that no serious issues are discussed. Those things are key.

Speaker 3

Yeah, David, if you look at my credentials, which I have to promote because of all the shadow banning, right, and the influencers out there, all opportunists, right, But if you look at my credentials educationally, you know, business wise, creating and fighting, standing up for the right things at the right time. Since the time I was seventeen years old, you know, it's an eight plus plus plus record. Everyone knows, you know. In twenty twenty, it was I was the

first one to call out the pandemic. I was the first one to run the fire Faucci campaign. I was the first one to give people solutions to how to beat boostsy immune system. I was the first one who exposed the machines and how the machines were, you know, bare view. I was the one in my federal lawsuit I expose the fact that the government has it back to a portal to Twitter. All of these other people. Trump was promoting lockdowns, yes, f and Kennedy was promoting lockdowns.

Jill Shtein as I call her, was promoting lockdowns and is also a Zionist, and people think she's not a Zigonist. She was a one who through Cynthia McKinney, and all you Green Party people listen very carefully. The Green Party is a nouveau Democratic party because now you have a unit party and the establishment always has to have two heads, David. They have to have the obvious establishment and then they

have to have the not so obvious establishment. So real revolutionaries, real change agents like myself don't fill off a vacuum, right, They can't have that. So now that everyone is aware Trump and Harris are Democrats, Republicans are one, they have to create another scam opposing force. It was Booby Kennedy, but we expose a hell out of him, an he ran back to Trump. So now they created Jill Stein, and Jill Stein promotes the carbon tax scam. The entire

Green parties based on putting people on a new plantation. Yes, and the Democratic Party elites are the ones who are behind the Green Party. But it was Jill Stein who acts like she's for the Palestinian people. But she's the one who threw out Cynthia McKinney, who is a black woman congressperson in Congress, who by the way, is endorst our campaign and she said she'll be my secretary of State. But Cynthia McKinney is the one who exposed APAC and she was thrown out of Congress. She was the VP

candidate with Jesse venturing the Green Party. When she came out and she said that perhaps nine to eleven was done by Israel and Mosat, Jill Stein called her anti Semitic and made sure she was banned from the Green Party. Jill Stein is a liberal Zionist. She just says just enough to fill in that vacuum so the real discussion about Zionism doesn't take place, which is Zionism is occupied

the United States of America. Zionism has taken over the Christian movement by equating as though saying that if you're a Christian Zionist, that means Christian. I believe Jesus would have whipped all these Zionists. Okay, Christian Zionism is an oxymoron. It's like saying you're Christian devil Christians Satanism right, how bad it is? So the reason I bring that up, David, we talked about ballot access. That's a front part of

where the election fraud begins. The next part is, Okay, you get on the ballot now they have to restrict you from getting visibility, which is the debates. Well, obviously the big guys are not going to keep me on, but even there's a new alternative debate organization called Free

and Fair Elections. I fulfilled all the criteria to be on the debate stage, but they did not want me on the debate stage with Joe Stein and their libertarian guy Oliver, who is polling at zero percent here in Massachusetts. I've met one to one and a half percent. It's small, but I'm higher percentage polling independent polling, and they don't

want to put me on the debate stage. So even these alternative quote unquote fake establishment organizations which are coming against a Unit Party are being created by the Unit Party to sucker people back so they don't build a bottoms up movement. And that's what you and I have talked about, David. Our campaign is recognized as that people need to save themselves. That's our slogan.

Speaker 1

And you want me to just jump in before we get into that. You know, we talked about the debates. I was contacted by the people running the Free and Fair Election debate before it happened to get it promoted and I like to see who is on it. It's like, well, that's not free. They didn't have a Shiva on there. There's other people that were running for president that they didn't have on there either, and so you know, it's like, I just it really is a stickling point with me

because I've been involved in third party politics. I know how difficult it is to get on the ballot. And then they use the ballot as a determination as to who's going to get to get into the debates. And of course they also throw in their polls, but then

they can play all kinds of games with polls. And when we saw this, and when I was working with the Libertarians in North Carolina years ago, what they would do is they would say, well, this is a private organization, and that particular time, it was a North Carolina Broadcasters Association or something like that that was running. It was the media that was running the debate, and they said, so, since this is not being run by the government, we

can exclude whoever we want. Now what did that turn into. We saw, well, it's corporations, and corporations can censor anybody that they want to offer social media. It's the same template that they then later superimposed on social media. Well, these are private companies.

Speaker 2

They can do whatever.

Speaker 1

They're private companies who are working with the government with those particular parties, and we know that out make an.

Speaker 3

Outsource of censorship to private their laundering. And that's right. In many ways, it's worse than it was before because at least before we had some ability for jurisprits to go after the government. That's right now and they outsources to private companies. We don't have that. That's right, yep.

And that's what Missouri versus Biden. We should talk about it after your break is so critical because Missouri versus Biden was a really bad lawawsuit done by a bunch of morons who purposely concealed the lawsuit when I got in Massachusetts. It was a conspiracy. It was a badly written lawsuit to create the conditions at the presidential level. So therefore justifying that government can in fact censor us

using laundering censorship. And the people who did that lawsuit acted like they were heroes, but they intentionally concealed by lawsuit. Amy Cony Barrett said, there is no direct connection showing that government censored you. My lawsuit is that lawsuit. They left it out. It was almost like these lawyers were colluding with the establishment to take it to the Supreme

Court and fail purposely. David. Now it has made it very, very difficult for us to prove that government is the one who censored you.

Speaker 2

Yes, you say, it's.

Speaker 3

A horrible lawsuit done by a bunch of morons who intentionally left out my lawsuit which had the evidence, and I'm litigating that separately. But the bottom line is this getting back to how the establishment works. They know that a bottom up movement is going to come with leaders like me bottoms up, so they have to create fake leaders top down. One of the members of the Green Party called me up and he said, do you know

Jill Stein, We were all sitting there. Suddenly seven people walk in the room and they anointed her to be the party head. Just annoyted her. So back room is how all these people work. They never ever want to have front on the front transparent debates. I mean, I have more followers and Chase Oliver it like ten times more more polling at a higher rate than him, and he's promoted as a libertarian head when he was promoting the mass mandates. He's promoting the lockdowns all of this.

So the establishment knows there's going to be a bottom up movement, David. So they know people have figured out Trump and Harris, the people are not only waking up but getting out of bed. They don't want them to come to our movement, so they're creating these fictitious anti establishment aka Joe Stein, aka Libertarian Party. These people have told out people and they're like the next wave. They're like the next Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 1

Well they lost my Libertarian Party lost me in twenty twenty when the candidate there had absolutely nothing to say. I mean, it was about the lockdowns and all the rest of that.

Speaker 2

That was Joe.

Speaker 1

Jans Joe Jorgensen, and I knew George Jorgenson from twenty years earlier when she was running as a VP for Harry Brown. I couldn't believe that they would take a powder and just not do anything when that lockdown was happening. That was the most insane thing I've ever seen. It's like, what is this about? You know, what are you guys doing? Is this so that you can get your name on TV or something? What game were you playing with this?

And you know, when we look at the Green Party should point out before I've always called them the watermelons because they got a thin veneer of green and inside they're all red, not meaning that they're supporting MAGA, but meaning that they're Marxists. All their policies are are communists, about centralized control, about taking us into slavery. It is absolutely at agenda. But then they put that thin veneer of green on it.

Speaker 3

Yeah, we should talk about that, David. You know, I just had a discussion of the friend of mine. He's an electrician, works very hard, and we're talking about this entire notion of state capitalism versus real capitalism and socialism. Okay, it's a very very important discussion to have. So he was saying, you know, Amazon trucks on Sunday, we're delivering stuff to his home using ups United Postal Service, okay, which is a postal service that all of us contribute

to our tax dollars. Okay, so what is And then we had that discussion, so you can keep that over here. And then we're talking about Starlink. Starlink just got two billion dollars Pentagon grant to build surveillance systems for us for the government. So and then you look at something like DHL and FedEx, privatization of the postal service. I've spoken about this for many, many years, since nineteen ninety seven,

and gets back to this core thing. The government over here has to live up to the Bill of Rights. And if the government censors you, if the government surveils you, you know the warrantless wire topic they did under the Bush administration. We have the right to sue the government. But if the government brings in a private party, gives them the contract to do mail, DHL, fed X, to do satellites, to push their goods out Amazon, guess what we as citizens cannot sue. They've created a buffer to

the government private companies at First Amendment rights. And this is the fascism that's taking place. This is state capitalism.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it is fascism. And what they're doing is they're outsourcing the tyranny.

Speaker 2

You know.

Speaker 3

So when people use the word communism, yeah, or to describe if the definition of communism is the government and private companies have become one. That's what China is. China's all the leaders of the private companies and the government are in the party. So at least in China, you know, they're fascists and their state capitalism, which is the right term, it is nowhere near if you read what Mark's talked about or the tenets of true socialism, and we should

talk about that, but they conflate that on purpose. Now in the United States, we actually have state capitalism, but it's presented to us as democracy. And the more we outsource, the more the government outsources stuff to private companies and keeps this illusion. We actually have Chinese like state capitalism. But at least in China they know they're living under fascist state capitalism. In the United States, people think Elon musk is some private entrepreneur. No, he's a government agent.

He's a Masad agent.

Speaker 2

Yeah, public private partnerships.

Speaker 1

Where were they talk about that what you're talking about as a merger between the government and the and that you're talking about crony capitalism and you're talking about corruption. And of course the Chinese do it, and as you point out, they're open about it, but here there's this subtle secrecy where they pretend that that's not really happening.

Speaker 3

And if you look at every company Elon Muskaz, all of them explosively grew at the behest of government. That's right, and so Twitter is like this would lockstop a stock barrel with government right section two thirty immunity. Without section two thirty immunity, Twitter would not be considered a platform. It would be considered a publisher. Their valuation drops by a factor of ten. So that's number one. So Twitter's value.

Why he was able to leverage Twitter to make his other wealth right or use it to buy is all comes from the behest of government SpaceX seven to ten billion dollars subsidies. He didn't create any of these rockets. SpaceX is essentially x NASA engineers ex government and he is working in a private company under the illusion of privacy, a private company. But now they're building a serve ailments system around the Earth and then you're going to pay for it, so and keep going on. Right, same with

the postal service. Amazon is using the postal service and making billions. So I would argue true quote unquote socialism, true socialism if you wanted to talk about that, were we the working people own this infrastructure again because we paid for all this infrastructure. Now, the founders when they created the postal service new there were certain infrastructure that is like air like water, you know, we breathe it. So the Postal Service was a very interesting phenomenon, David.

It was the bullwork to ensure the First Amendment took place. Yeah, the second Amendment is important, but materially, the Postal Service was created to make sure that I could send you a letter, You could send me a letter, David, and no one would interfere free speech, equal free reach. So the Postal Service, in their framework also had their own independent police force. A lot of people don't know this.

Separate from your state police, your local police areas a postal police force, and that police force make sure that posts a place if they open a letter twenty two year sentence in prison. So you see, if I send you a letter and you believe it was open, we can sue the government and we can get restitution. Now take that over to the world of email. If I send you an email and Gmail and Gmail opens it,

you have no rights at all. All of this communications infrastructure got outsourced electronically and even DHL and FedEx through this infrastructure. This is very very important for people to understand. And I'm the only candidate who talks about this because I understand systems and I value these rights.

Speaker 1

Now even goes back to you know, we talked about the finds of court and all the rest of this stuff. That goes back to that because from its very inception you had the CIA and the NSA. We're spying on Americans. And so the Church Committee hearing looked at this and said, well, you know, they shouldn't be allowed. But the Supreme Court had said, well, if it's AT and T. This government

created monopoly. Essentially, if AT and T has your information, they're a private company and they own that information and so they can turn that over to the government if the government wants. And so we see that now propagating through where a Bank of America if they want to turn over everybody that had a transaction in Washington, DC around January the sixth, they can do that because that's

their data. And so they have established and this goes back now for about sixty seventy years, the idea that private companies own information about you, and they can buy and sell you, and they can turn you into the government.

Speaker 3

The government is as a customer.

Speaker 2

That's right.

Speaker 3

So this is what's happened. We have created a very sophisticated form of state capitalism. Yeah, aashism under the illusion of the Bill of Rights. So they've created this buffer. The government has created now a buffer so we can't go after them and make them accountable to the Bill of Rights, et cetera. This is what's dangerous statement that's occurred. So when you play this out, this has become the modus operator for MMONT. So how do we win at this?

What is the solution? So what the those in power have also done. They have conflated the words movements, working people's movements with quote unquote communism to refer to that state capitalism. You say, so, they've really played at head game on people. Oh you want to build the bottoms up movement? Oh that sounds communist, you say so? Their right wing attacks it. The left wing has used these terms.

Speaker 1

Right, so they weaponize them. Yeah, they weaponize these terms. They even like they stole the term liberal, you know, they used to mean people about freedom and everything.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, f wing takes these very important terms about workers' movements and they take over them. The right wing uses them to attack to brand it as quote unquote communists, fascism, and if you really play this out, many of these important infrastructures that we have, like the postal service, should be public utilities for the public. Maybe you give a couple of choices. You can use the postal service, or you can use FedEx or DHL. You can use Gmail,

or you can use a government version. Now, why would that not the government version but the postal version of people's version. Why would that be different? Because if the government opened your email, if you can sue them, you can't sue if Gmail opens your email, you don't have any restitution at all. And the infrastructure that the founders created was a decentralized infrastructure when they created the postal service so many years ago, David I said that we

should use mesh networks to have the people's network. Right now, when you talked about FISA, four major telco companies own all the communicationations. When warrantless wire tapping took place, government was wire tapping US citizens without any warrants, and then when they got caught in class action lawsuits, the government of Congress retroactively immunize them. You say, they passed bill, So this is a way that this is going on.

You have private companies government aka Congress, and they're always protecting this state capitalism, that's what we have. So to me, this is why it becomes pre eminent. We build a bottoms up movement. So in mind, you, David, the telecommunication workers at AT and T and Verizon and all these people who actually do the work that infrastructure at a certain point should be seized as a property of we the people. We're the ones who paid for that, and

the working people. Not nationalization, that's state capitalism. But we working people say, you know what, this is my property to get rid of all these executives. Because when you look at the cost of telecommunication, it should be like pennies. By now, we have made technologies, made things actually very cheap. When you look at food communications, it should actually be

the cost should be going down. But because of the nature of monopoly chrony capitalism, they actually create artificial supply issues so they can keep the cost high. So this is very important. Actually, we can literally have quote unquote having on earth today. We have more than enough food, we have more than enough communicator. I mean, we've created

infinite capacity in some ways. But because of the nature of monopoly capitalism, imperialism, state capitalism, fascism, they actually create artificial supply issues so they can keep the cost high. And this is what's important to understand. So my view, we must build the bottoms up movement and we the people must take back this infrastructure, which is our infrastructure. We paid for Starlink. We paid for this infrastructure, not the corporations. This is in many ways, it's like the air,

the water. This is public property. Yeah, you can have your private versions, great, but you better have a public version so we can hold government accountable. Yes, so the more and more so this is where the libertarian philosophy sort of falls apart because they don't forget. They forget that the government at the private companies have become one.

Speaker 1

So I remember when Gary Johnson was talking about it, and you know, it was one of these bakery cases, you know in Colorado, and you got the guy who's now won multiple times at the Supreme Court, and they came in and said, well, we want you to make a custom cake for uce that is, you know, antithetical to your religious beliefs. And I presumably if he had made that cake, they would have taken his face and stuck it down the cake, because that's what they were

really trying to do. And I remember Gary Johnson saying, well, the libertarian approaches that, Yeah, certainly, you know, we don't want the we don't want the phone company telling people that we don't like your sexual practices or your religious beliefs or whatever, so we're going to cut off your phone service. And said, well, no, actually, you know he's not. This guy's not he's not a public monopoly that's there. He's not part of the infrastructure. There's other batteries they

could go to. And I said, the libertarian position on this ought to be that it would be important to have the phone company listening to your phone conversations and say I don't like what you're saying, and then cut off your service. I said, that's what we're looking at everywhere. You know, when all of this was happening with him, we also had the social media stuff was rolling out and all the first cancelations were happening, and it's like,

why isn't the Libertarian party aware of this? They really have lost lost their way in terms of, you know, focusing on the constitution of liberty.

Speaker 3

Well, I remember Gary johnsaid that his running mate was Bill Well drunk and Bill Well, who was a governor in Matchissetts who's as elite as you can get. You know, it's not Farewell the Street in Cambridge, right, Yeah, as you know, as I wanted.

Speaker 1

They wanted to have two ex governors, so it was very impressive, right, and they really didn't care what these guys believe, and they were neither one of them about liberty at all.

Speaker 3

So so, David, I think the other thing I wanted to speak to is you know our campaign. Now, if you go to our social media, you know you'll see the infinite amount of shadow banning that's going on. But separate from that, we're going direct to people. We probably we probably put out close to ten to twenty million of these cards. You may have seen on our website.

I don't know if you've seen those, David, I don't know if I could share here, But if you go to our website cheever for Present dot com, they're little cards and the card says save yourself and on the back of the card of that's cost of living going up a curve and lifespan going down two inverse curves, and then it helps people go to shatter theswarm dot com.

So you can understand how we got here that since nineteen seventy Now, regardless of who you voted for, cost of living has gone up and lifespan is now going down. So the goal is to educate people that the quality of our leaders, the quality of the society that we get is a direct reflection of the decisions we make and our consciousness, and we have immense power to do this. So this is why I think these free and fair elections, you know, pro established from people don't want guys like

me on the debate stage. They don't want that because we're going to talk about this fundamental issue of breaking from all of this, giving the individual infinite power in a sense collectively and individually to build these bottoms up movements. So if you go to our streaming arc right now, our ads, David, are individual of our leaders talking about hey, there's a video. And then these are the people just

making the ads. Guys out there putting blacktops down. Matt Stoneman and he's saying, hey, this is why I'm going to vote for doctor Shiva. Okay, electrician and a plumber and a school teacher. Those are our multi quote unquote multimillion dollar ads, right. We actually are real people, David, making our videos and putting them out there handing out cards and the future is not going to be online for true opposition forces. A future is offline because they

have consolidated power. So whenever people ask me about bitcoin, David, oh my god, Bitcoin's decentralized. No, it isn't. The infrastructures all own by four major teleco companies. You need massive data centers. Yes, conceptually a blockchain makes sense, but all the in between infrastructure is owned by them.

Speaker 2

I absolutely agree. Yeah, they're absolutely right.

Speaker 1

Yeah, And you know, it is so funny because all these other campaigns they do produce multimillion dollar ads and they hire actors to act like their everyday people. But you've got every day people just doing this on their own and putting it up. Talk a little bit about out down the swarm, and of course you have a shatter theswarm dot com where people can get the full spiel out, but just give people kind of an overview of why you call it the swarm rather than the deep state or something like that.

Speaker 3

Yeah, David, you know what I want to really, I mean, every once you go to shatterthswarm dot com, watch you with your family. I'm not cursing in there I'm pretty you know, in my suit and tie, and I'm the mi T professor in that model. Okay, so you'll enjoy it. Okay, it's a very very disney g rated version, but it's very educational. But the swarm, the reason I call it the swarm is it's more about the concept of its dispersed. The control is dispersed. When you use deep state, or

you use the swamp, it gives it. Or the Rothchild's right, or you use X Y Z right. Yeah, are the masons.

Speaker 4

It gives a location like it's a particular group only, and it's localized to some geog or some particular group, and therefore it sets into people's mind.

Speaker 3

If we get rid of that group, it's over. The reality is a swarm it comes from system science is much more dispersed. They're everywhere, Yes, And if you ever see starlings, you know on a twilight flying that these birds that fly, they look like they're seemingly going in different directions. They may even compete, but overall they move together. They have are a swarm like a school of fish. You see that together. So those in power are like that.

That's a much more accurate description. They may have a Kamala Harrison, a Trump right, acting like they're against each other. But overall, when it comes to the real questions of human existence Zionism right, they will come together. When it comes to the issues of manipulating eight billion of us, they will come together. If there was a war where they're both killing each other, but they see us rising up,

they'll get together and suppress us. And that happened during the you know, Franco Pressure War, the French people rising up. The French and the Germans got together and they went back and beat up their own people and then went back to fighting. So we want to give this clarity to people that it's a multi racial aristocracy dispersed all over the world and they have a control system for their survival. Their goal is to maximize power, profit control.

Speaker 2

Yes, and we saw that in twenty twenty. You know, everybody's like, you know, so, who's directing all this? Is it Klaus Schwab, is it Teddrose? Who's right? Well, they were all.

Speaker 1

Doing the same thing, you know, they're moving like a bunch of starlings. They were all doing exactly the same thing at the same time, you know, And when I look at it, The way I think about it is autonomous killer robots and how they're talking about using them in.

Speaker 3

This form and foreign technology. David, Yeah, that's right. So they they have have a telepathy. The work of EO. Wilson talked about how you know, ants work together. They look like they're doing random stuff, but they're actually communicating with twenty five different chemical signals. The swarm has its own telepathic communication. They know who are their enemies, and then they have frenemies among them. Okay, Trump and Harris maybe local enemies. After you know, January sixth are all

together again, right, and then they go on. But during a period of time between around you know, January every four years to October, they play out this WWE wrestling to entertain people. And that entertainment model comes from the Edward Grenet school of advertising, which is, we do we want to do sound bites to make the average electorate consumers of information and to be entertained. They do not want us to be participants. They do not want it

to jump in the arena. So what is our movement, David. We're completely changing in there. We're saying you got to say yourself. Once you understand the swarm dynamics. The only way out of it is you. So I did an interview with some guy two days ago and he was asking me just idiotic questions, what do you think about Trump? What do you think about Kamala? I said, look at all the questions you're asking, they have nothing to do with you. You're not asking anything about what am I

going to do? And so these people overlord over us? And this is so the swarm. When you go to shadow the storm, I explain all of this just a little marker in a chalkboard so everyone can follow it end to end and you can rewind it and watch it. And then I explained that the swarm goal is to always make you think they're going to take care of

things for you. Yes, outsource your future to them, outsource your truth to them, outsource your freedom to them, outsource your health to them that you don't have to take any personal responsibility. Oh, Booby, Kennedy is going to do make America health again. Really, I mean, this is a guy who said I believe in full vaccination of all Americans. This is a guy who looks awful when you really look at him, has no sense of anything having to

do with integrity. He openly tells you personal integrity and public integrity are two different things. M H hopefully tells you that. He says the Palestinians are the most pampered people on the planet. So to the extent he talks about saving children by not putting food color in here, he's absolutely fine bombing them over here. And they have these contradictions.

Speaker 1

I just I just covered yesterday a guy that was on social media and he was talking about how his son who died as an infant sudden infant death syndrome from vaccines, and he said, I was really in denial about it. But you know now I trust rf K Junior and he's explained it to me, and I trust that. I'm voting for Trump because I know he's going to put r ff K Jr In there and he's going.

Speaker 2

To fix it. And it's like, Wow, this guy doesn't.

Speaker 1

Know what happened in the four years ago when Trump got in, and he doesn't know what Bobby Kennedy has been doing with all this stuff.

Speaker 2

Is absolutely does he not know?

Speaker 3

Booby fucking cannext me? Fan Kennedy promoted sorry about that. I believe that after Kennedy, I mean, I really despise these people. They're devils, pure devils. Promoted promoted lockdowns in March of twenty twenty, he said it would save the climate. Yeah, so you have to go back and you have to look at what did these so called leaders do when it mattered, that's right, and compare them to what I did, David,

or what you did. The people have to really give credit to us, and that's what our movements trying to do. We're trying to put a mirror up to the average citizen to say, why don't you start respecting you? This is you.

Speaker 1

It's amazingly delusional and orwellian that they can hold these mutual They hate the vaccine, but they love the father of the vaccine and the guy who bragged about it. And you look at the Kennedy and how he's talking about he wants to lock up people who are climate deniers, you know. And then he doesn't ever really pull that back, you know. He instead he says, well, that wasn't what well, it was what he was saying. He tells you another lie. What I want to know, Siva, is when you going

to do a shift at McDonald's. I mean, that can really turn this around for you, right.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean that's the thing. They have to go to extremes. I mean, how much did he spend. He must suspend at least two to three million dollars on the staging of that, the security organizing that. Right, yeah, Well, I mean you or Kamala Harris, right, either one of them. I mean you look at my journey, David or your journey. I grew up in New Jersey work. I think I've been working since I was twelve years old, some job, fourteen full time. I've never stopped working. I worked, you know,

delivering doughnuts store to door, right. I work doing landscaping as a child because my parents did have money. So I've worked all my life. But Trump has to as though he's a McDonald's.

Speaker 2

Worker, that's right.

Speaker 3

And then you're saying, oh my god, he's one of us. And this is a delusion that our movement is exposing. We're putting a mirror up to people's face and saying, why do you respect these people? Why do you you have a low value of yourself When you get up in the morning and you take care of your family, you have maybe four hundred dollars in your back account. Why are you writing even ten dollars to these people?

That's right. So our movement, in many ways, David, is about people having dignity for themselves.

Speaker 2

Yes, and that's what I like.

Speaker 1

That's all I like about that because I look at it and as you point out, we're outsourcing our lives to these people. We're putting all of our hopes on these people. Well, if only Trump gets in, then he'll put an RFK junior and then they'll fix things so that doesn't happen again like it happened to my son. All of these different things, and yet you know, they won't take control of their life, and it is something that they've been trained to do. You know, you look

at the predictive programming of movies. I've talked about this before, how the CIA actually had a site where they said, hey, we got great ideas for scripts. You know, if you're a writer, give it to it.

Speaker 2

And they did. They had great ideas because there's kind of stuff they're going to pull off.

Speaker 1

But then what happens is we've always got one individual who is a savior and he's going to save everybody. That was the most predictive program of all of these things because and every one of these nightmare scenarios that they're now trying to run on us, and every one of them, you had a one man alone hero who's going to save us. Well, of course that's going to have to be somebody's really rich and powerful, like Trump, so they fall for that, or like Elon Musks, they

fall for that hook line and sinker. And that's really I think when you look at this delusion about this election and everybody's got all their hopes penned on it, I think it's really coming from that, and it.

Speaker 2

Really is sad.

Speaker 1

So I like what you're doing, because you're pivoting people to taking measures that they can do themselves and to empower themselves and not to make themselves dependent on these distant billionaires who don't care about that.

Speaker 2

I play the.

Speaker 1

Clip the other day of Michael Keaton, the actor, and of course he was partisan in it, you know, saying Trump, he doesn't like you, but none of them do. I mean what he was saying was essentially true if you apply it to all of them, so they don't care anything about you. They're running their own life. And it was true.

Speaker 2

Who's right?

Speaker 1

So that's what I like about what you're doing. You're using this mind control that we call a presidential election, and you're getting people's attention and saying now you can do things on your own, and I think that's really important.

Speaker 3

Well, David, we have five people that I've educated and they've taken it to file their own federal lawsuits. Here, we have a guy who does alarm systems control, young kid twenty seven years old in Tennessee. When they took us off the ballot, he filed the lawsuit. He argued with the federal judge and he's going to take it to the appellate court. A seventy plus year old woman, Rose Cus, who is a school teacher. She's doing that in New Jersey independently. We have a medical doctor in

Utah doing that. We have a pizza store owner, Frank Marshall in Wisconsin who's doing that. So Trump took us to try to take us off the ballot in Wisconsin, and Kamala Harris took us off the ballot in New Jersey. But these are extraordinary people who come through. They've understood shattered the swarm, They've gone through training, they've collected signatures, they mobilized people and now they're learning how to find

lawsuits without any lawyers. David, we didn't spend any money on any of this.

Speaker 2

That's great.

Speaker 3

Meanwhile, Booby Kennedy goes and raises twenty two million dollars. Trump and Kamala Harris are raising what fifteen billion?

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3

The amount of money we're talking about is circulating money among the swarm among themselves. It's a racket, and this money is a wealth transfer from ordinary people they hit with emails all day. But the savior mentality, David, I think it's a very I've talked about this from the context of Joseph Campbell's work, and this is where the real brainwashing goes when you look at all ancient cultures, and it may even be in our deep psyche spiritual

psyche of the hero's journey, right. Joseph Campbell identified that in all great stories that there was always this concept of a hero's journey where someone and it's really the journey of our own soul. It's not someone else, but they have stolen even the hero's journey, but the soul goes through this maturation process where you come into this world, you're presented with an opportunity to do something heroic. Initially

you don't want to do it. Then some great teacher comes brings you to the point of wanting to go through life's tribulations. You go through that process, you then maybe suffer, you don't achieve your goals, and then you come out of that through a resurrection process and you

do something noble for humanity. This is a journey. Now the story of Christ is a penultimate example of that, right, But the goal was each one of us was supposed to be our own heroes in a sense, going through that journey, and it may be deeply in us that we're supposed to do that. But they even outsource that

hero's journey back to them. So when Hollywood created the movies where being entertained, we're not doing the hero's journey ourselves, and so this is the deep manipulation that's taking place. They took Campbell's analysis, they took this deep, deep rooted concept in our own soul's journey, and they have outsourced that. So they're almost stealing your soul and outsourcing it. And you get to watch not you having to do the work, but others having to do the work. So you vicariously

lived through them. And this is they create a fake hero like Elon Musk, I mean the guy's disgusting human being, or fake hero like Booby Kennedy who tells you personal integrity is not that you can divorce them, so he can have thirty eight relationships with Philander, with women with white hangs yourself, and you can justify it. So this

is what's going on, David. They're taking this very powerful, deep rooted essence of what it means to be human, which is you're supposed to go through that journey in your lifetime. You're supposed to stand up, you're supposed to show integrity, you're supposed to be the hero.

Speaker 1

Everything about to pacify people is to outolate you and to set you in a virtual reality where you are a spectator about everything, and that pretty upfront about that where they want to go with the technocracy, and we got a real taste of that during the lockdown. No, you just stay where you are, and of course you can communicate with other people if you want to through your zoom or whatever, but that is it. They want to anomize us, they want to remove us from the

real world, from real life. They will provide a reality for us, whether it's movies or whether it's games or some kind of virtual reality. They will provide the reality so that they can control everything that we do.

Speaker 2

Absolutely.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, But I think this essence, David, of you not so one is they don't want you to take care of your health. They don't want you to take care of your physical mental health. They don't want you to get educated, but they the deepest issues. They don't want you to go through your own journey at a spiritual level to understand your connection with your creator, to understand that you must go through this process.

Speaker 1

We're almost out of time and I want to get so. We got some kind comments here for you. Judy Wrinkle says, I'm writing doctor Shiva and on my ballot. I did in the New Hampshire primary as well. Sa Miller one two three says I'm in Iowa. Doctor Shiva has my attention. I voted, not avowed not to vote, but he may just change my mind. Jason Barker, I would take Shiva over our two current choices. I can't vote this time around. Audi Modern Retro Radio says, finally somebody is exposing that

Elon Musk is not the Seff made mogul. Musk is a government mascot like that. We always talked about him as a king of chronic capitalism. About a decade ago, the La Times called him the King of chronic Capitalism. Exactly, he's just like Zuckerberg. I agree, Dgaight, David, can you ask doctor Shiva how it's legal for Trump to take money from Elon Musk after Musk has taken over five billion from China? Isn't that a threat to national security?

And of course that's part of the corruption that we have these political action committees where you've got one donor right Elon Musk. Yeah, So that is amazing to see that everyone of.

Speaker 3

Your viewers listening, David and everyone out there understand that there is a growing group of people who are very intelligent and they come from all different backgrounds. David, if you look at the quality of people that and every Thursdays at eleven am and eight pm, everyone's invited, I do. It's a long day because we have from Europe and

Asia and people from the United States. You go to vshiva dot com slash orientation sign up because it's an opportunity for you not to feel alone, because what happens, David, is is people raise their consciousness. They feel there's no one else around them. And the consciousness raising here is to understand that there's no one coming to save us.

We have to take personal responsibility. And if we can move three to five percent of the people vibrating at that consciousness date, but it's over, it's like we don't need weapons at that point.

Speaker 2

And we saw that in the lockdown. Everybody thought, well, I'm the only one that realized is that this is a fraud. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1

They worked that very hard to keep people isolated. So that's very important. And again, maybe the best site to go to is to Shatter the Swarm dot com or via.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so for the campaign, go to Shiva for President dot com. You can get our cards, hand them out.

Speaker 5

To get a real understanding where you want to start and really solve this for yourself, go to shatter Theforum dot com if you really want to solve this problem, if you want to be on the path so you don't feel diluted and you know nehilistic.

Speaker 3

Shadow the swarm gives you what the problem is. Then you've created a course, David, where people can actually get off the plantation free, okay, and then people can connect with these global communities and then really become what we call a truth freedom, health warrior scholar that they understand the physics, and then we get people on the ground good talking to their neighbors. That's what this is about. No one is coming to save us, save yourself.

Speaker 1

Well, doctor Shiva's on the ballot and all, but you can write them in at the very least all but four states. Some of the states you will see him on the ballot. And of course this is not going to be over with the election. That's not not letting an ending of life. It's going to continue to go on. And so you can go to a Shiva for President dot Com Vshiva, or you can go to a Shatter the Swarm. We'll put all those in the link for

the interview for you. Thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for what you do and your family have always.

Speaker 6

Let me tell you the David Night Show you can listen to with your ears. You can even watch it by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear me, that means you're listening to the David Night Show right now.

Speaker 3

Yeah, good job.

Speaker 6

And you want to know something else. You can find all the links to everywhere to watch or listen to the show at the Davidnightshow dot com.

Speaker 3

That's a website.

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