Earlier today, Attorney General Dana Nessel was joined by officials from the Department of Justice and the FBI to announce state and federal charges against thirteen members of two militia groups who were preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me. We're grateful to the FBI and law enforcement discover these domestic terrorrism and stopped them. You know,
it's a sort of behavior you might expect from issis. You might see a number that high in a sprawling narcotics conspiracy that stretches from coast to coast and beyond. That's a pretty high number in a case like this. It really reflects I think how deeply the government has been diving into this investigation to try to make these cases. It was just literally a bunch of working class guys who on the weekend got together and you know, exercise their rights and
trained with firearms. So the FBI says, hey, we'll just pay for everything. Who arranged the meeting. The FBI's paid Provocket's work. Robison was getting paid to set this stuff up. So they make the route, accept the locations, they make the plan, they do everything, and Adam's literally just sitting in the basement of the vacuum repair shops, smoking broods all day.
You're gonna hear my client was the leader of this group, but I think you're also gonna hear that there was an election held to identify the leader. Instant. How can I frame a social situation to make this naive person appear to be a dangerous, violent terrorist. The whole goal was for the FBI to spend millions of dollars to create militia groups, record them saying offensive
stuff, and then frame them in a fake conspiracy. As you can see, K and K and kfilm dot Com is where you can find that trailer and where you'll eventually be able to find this documentary that our guest, Christina is working on. Thank you for joining us, Christina, Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Well, it's good to have you on. We talked a couple of months ago, and I was surprised to see that our interview is not playing on Rumble. I don't know what's happening with
that, but that could be a technical issue. I don't know, but we do have it on other platforms. But I wanted to get an update as to what happened with Bank of America and your d banking. Let's talk about there's been some changes in some of these cases that are there and because they're still ongoing, and so we've had some people that have been acquitted, but some others are in jail, and there's other cases you know, that are being appealed, and so we'll do an update on that, and then
we'll get an update on your documentary. But let's talk first about the the banking at Bank of America. Tell us what the current status is of that. Well, it's just a mess. I don't even know what the current status of it is because I keep getting conflicting information from them. But what happened was like five days ago, I noticed my bank card stopped working. So like, nobody called me. The bank did not reach out to me. Nobody told me they were going to be terminating the account. They just
did it. And so you like, I noticed my bank card wasn't working. So then I tried to log into my online banking and I could not log in through mobile banking. It said my user name didn't exist, and then it was like prompting me to create a new one, but that wasn't working either. And I'm like, what is going on? So I'm thinking there's a technical glitch or something. So I actually went into my physical branch location to ask them what was going on, to see if they could figure
it out. And the girl at the front desk told me that the risk department had decided to sever the business relationship and she didn't know why. And of course, like the I don't blame the bank employees, like, I don't think that woman in that location knew anything about this. These decisions are obviously being made by higher ups at the bank. So she puts me in this cubicle and says, here's a phone, and puts me on the phone
with the risk department. And I'm trying to get some kind of answers because I've had this account for almost ten years. I've never had any issues with the account with Bank of America before, so I'm trying to ask them, like, well, why was this decision made? How come nobody called me?
You know, what's the problem. They wouldn't tell me. They were saying these canned responses that are like, you know, Bank of America's terms of service say that we reserve the right to sever the business relationship at any you know time without reason or notice. So they just say you agree to the terms of service, and so they don't have to give you a reason. And I said, okay, well, can you tell me what the current balance of my account is? Because I had deposited checks. That's the
other thing. I was physically in the bank a few days ago to make deposits and nobody said anything to me then. So I'm waiting for checks to clear, and I go, well, can you tell me the balance. They would not tell me the balance of my account. I can't log in to see it. I can't see my transaction history. And so there's like no answers, and they made it clear that they weren't going to give me any So I go, okay, I leave the bank, I go home.
I call again. I try to get somebody else from the risk department that maybe can give me more answers on the phone. And I'm on the phone with them for five minutes. They are refusing to tell me any more information other than they're terminating the account. And I said, can you transfer me to a media liaison, you know, transfer me to your media department. I'm myself am a journalist, so I'd like to get a quote from your media department about your corporate policies and if this is part of them.
They told me they couldn't transfer me to a media department or a media rep, which I think is a little bit ridiculous. So they made clear too in that phone call that they were not going to restore the account and that they weren't going to give me any information. So I had had the presence of mine to record when I was in the branch location talking to the woman there. So I put a thread up on Twitter just telling people warning people, if you are in Bank of America, get your money out of the
banks. It's not safe with these banks because this is what can happen to you, and I posted the video. I had no idea it was going to go like viral the way that it did, and everybody was tagging Bank of America online and that must have stirred something up with Bank of America could because the day before yesterday, they started blowing up my phone in the evening
and telling me that executives were investigating and other parties were investigating. And I said, well, as law enforcement investigating, and they said no, And then they told me that the account had been restored, but it's not restored as far as I can tell, I still have no access to online I can't log into online banking and it says my account is locked. So I don't believe they restored the account. I think they told me that because I
think they wanted the pressure to go away for them. But as far as I'm concerned, as far as I know right now, I still can't see my account. I still can't see my transaction history, I can't see the current amount I have in there, and I cannot access my funds now. They also told me when I was in the physical branch location and I was on the phone with the Wrisk apartment and asking them, well, you know,
can you tell me my account bounds? Are saying no, And then I said, okay, well, if you're going to make this decision to terminate my account without notice, can I withdraw the funds I have in there now and then just go to a different bank. They said no, they were going to hold the funds hostage and that I would receive a quote check in the mail, but they would not give me a timeframe of when I could expect this. And for people who are you know, small businesses,
independent journalists, filmmakers. Every bit matters and counts, Like I have a shoot coming up in less than two weeks where I have an additional crew member I have to pay, like I am counting on my funds to come through. So having something like that happened not just to me, but to anybody, it causes a lot of disruptions. Another interesting thing about this is that they chose to do it right after I'd publicly announced that I was going to
be making another trip because a lot of people have supported the film. You know, the whole film has been done through crowdfunding, so I let people know. I give them updates on the progress and status of like what I'm doing. So I told people I was going to be doing this, and they also did it the day before a bunch of my auto pays go through. So I'm getting emails about payments being declined, which is still happening. By the way, they claimed that they restored the account, I'm still having
payments being declined. So again this is not true. Nothing they're telling me makes any sense or is adding up at all. Wow, And so this is where we stand today. So I really this maybe it'll be your next documentary, because this is something that's happening a lot is I talked about it yesterday. You know, Nigel Farag, she had that same type of situation and they denied that they had debanked him and everything. But more investigations.
They eventually got a hold of some internal emails and it turned out that the CEO of a bank that was partially owned by the government itself had said, we're going to shut this down. And so we see this happening everywhere. You know, with Nigel frauds, We've seen John Eastman also got his account at Bank of America shut down. He was a lawyer for Trump then, and he had a second account at USAA, which is you know for people in the military. I can open up an account there if they've been in
the military, and they both shut down his account. We're seeing this d banking being used for political purposes increasingly. I myself have had a problem with it. I talked about it yesterday after had the show for five months. PayPal shut it down. I spent two hours on the phone. I wish I had recorded it, but you know, the guy kept digging and digging is very helpful. But he said the only thing I can find is I got one message to delete this account immediately, and they shut down PayPal and
Vemo immediately. And like you, I had a lot of people trying to send me payments and they were being declined. It's like, what's going on? Where'd you go? That type of thing? Yeah? Yeah, And
this is very I mean, this is incredibly disruptive. It starts with people like doctor John Eastman, like you said, Trump's lawyers, who arguably is somebody who's way more important than me, small time filmmaker that most people don't know of and haven't heard of. So if they can do this to me, it's just a matter of time before they start doing it to regular people.
And that is incredibly concerning because I happen to be very lucky. I am a small independent filmmaker, but I happen to be well respected and I have a lot of peers who know about me and support my work across the board. So I was lucky that I had enough people that could amplify this on social media. If you don't have the privilege of having a semi public platform and you're just a regular person and they decide to do this to you,
for your politics. You don't have recourse, You don't have the ability to cause a social media storm to get executives to call you and tell you they're investigating what happened that for normal people know they would be in a position where they couldn't access their money, they couldn't see their account balance, couldn't access their transaction history, and would be told to wait for a quote check in the mail at a time where inflation is through the roof. Most Americans
live paycheck to paycheck. In our one medical emergency away from homelessness. They want you to wait for your own money, and they are not going to give you a timeframe of when you can receive this check in the mail. Then there's also the issue of while you're dealing with being debanked and trying to go to another institution, while this other one is still holding your funds and
payments are being declined. This also adversely affects your credit score in the meantime, as payments get declined as you're trying to move to a new institution, and maybe you don't have the funds to open up an account because you're waiting for your check in the mail. So what do you do during that time, do you wait however long it takes for them to send you your money, and in the meantime, your bills are just not being paid or you
have to pay them with credit cards and run up credit card debt. This is not acceptable in America. Banking has gotten to the point like social media, where it is ubiquitous and it's essentially like a utility. Now, okay, you can't get through your daily life without having a bank account being able to conduct transactions, and so they cannot get away with doing this, and
we can't allow it. Also, an interesting thing, fifteen attorney generals have written a letter to Bank of America demanding explanations for what they're doing with the banking conservatives and dissidents. My Attorney General for my state of Virginia, Jason Meyorcis, is one of the attorney generals who signed on to that. So I'm hoping and I'm trying to reach out to his office because I think that if somebody does some digging in Bank of America's internal communications, they're going to
find something where my account specifically was flagged. And I believe it's because of the work I'm doing on this documentary. And I think that's what it was. Oh absolutely, And we've seen this before. As I pointed out yesterday, Bank of America and turns in terms of turning over all kinds of information about all their customers who are doing transactions in and around Washington. On January
the sixth, they had colluded with the FBI. The FBI can ask them for anything they want, and they take the position, just like they do with phone companies, that that's their data and if they want to voluntarily turn it over, the FBI doesn't need to have a search warrant. And so so Bank of America worked with them. And the reason they're doing this is because Bank of America, like all of these two big defailed banks, are
highly connected to the federal government. And of course they were creatures of the federal government. Bank of America kicked off all these mergers that created a handful of banks that were too big to fail. Ten years later, at the same time that Clinton took out failed out, the bailed them out, and then they want to debank us. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah,
but you know that's the political collusion that they have there. You know, they proved that merger inspite of the fact they knew they were going to wind up with about a half dozen banks that were too big to fail. They approved that, and then they removed the restrictions on getting involved in speculative investment. That's why these banks could then go in and buy up like Bank of America did, Merrill Lynch and things like that. They removed the Glass
Degle Act, they allowed these big bank mergers. And here's where it's all going to go. Christina. This is you know, when we look at this and the politicization of this and how rapidly this is all seized, this is a preview of what's in it for everybody with CBDC. This is the way they're going to do with it once they get CBDC. Oh Well, you wrote this post on social media and they noticed it all of a sudden. Now everything is locked you're locked out of everything. And that's what they
can do. Once they get to a completely digitized central bank digital currency, they can shut everybody down just like they've done. You just outlined some of the immediate things that you're going to be facing. But you know that check presumably is in the mail. But in the meantime, it's a tremendous hassle for you. Presumably they'll send it, you know, But if we got CBDC, they just shut you down and leave it that way, and there's
nothing you're going to do about it. This is why people need to rise up against CBDC. We need to rise up against what is happening with these big banks like Bank of America. But this is sup more. It's ultimately going, and it's going there for everybody. The social credit system like we see in China, and the d banking. Absolutely that's I think. What's even more concerning is how quickly I think that we are moving into that new
financial system. I think also, and this may this is just my speculation, so I'll just say that as a caveat. I believe they're purposely going to crash the economy. I think they're doing it now on purpose. They're allowing the regional bank crisis to get worse. I think they want that because when the regional banks fail, they'll once again come into consolidate power and to say, because this happened, now we need a new system. We need the CBDC. We needed a great reset, a new reset. Right,
We're going to reset the financial system. That's what it's going to be, and that to me is terrifying because that means in the future they can, like you said, shut you down overnight and you will not have any recourse. Another weird thing they were asking me to when I was on the phone with them is they were asking me about like checks I had been depositing, and they're asking me about my transactions things that isn't frankly, isn't their business.
They're like, you know, I obviously received donations from people, so people send donations from all over the world. I don't know who's sending them. But they were asking me, do you know who sent this check? Where you expecting this? Do you know what this was for? And things like this, And I'm going, what does it matter whose businesses this of yours? And they were saying, well, there could be fraud, not on your part, but on other parts. And it's like, well,
isn't it your job then to investigate that and do the due diligence. You're the financial institution, not me. No, And it was just really weird, and it seems to me like they're looking for an explanation and an excuse for what they did to try to say they didn't debank me, to try to lie about what happened and say, oh, no, there could have been fraud and it just flagged our system and was a mistake. It was
not a mistake I have. When I went into the bank, nobody said anything to me about potential fraud or a read a flag on the account. No, they just said the risk department decided to terminate the business relationship. But now the story has changed since they got all this flag on social media and conveniently also today or it was yesterday. Their response is due to those fifteen Attorney Generals. They're supposed to reply to the letter about specifically what they
are doing dbank conservatives and dissidents, and the attorney General. We're asking them to change their terms of service to explicitly State Bank of America does not discriminate against people for religious or political reasons. I doubt they're going to make that change to the terms of service, So we'll see what happens. But interesting timing. Yeah, they have friends in high places that'll make sure they don't
get punished for that. I mean, they have been selected as partners and all of this stuff, and when we look at all of this cancel culture directed at people for what they say on social media. You know, they can kick you off as social media and life goes on, and it goes on even if you've got a media company or something like that. It goes
on without even being on social media. But when they weaponize the financial system against us, as they have made all indications they intend to do in a Chinese style system, that's where it's going to be untenable for people, and that's where the screws really come in. And so that's what we really have to be concerned about. Again, you're at the very front of this.
Let's give us an update as to what's going on with these particular cases, because there has been some changes in the cases of Verry Croft Adam Fox, who were convicted back in August of twenty twenty two. Yeah, so we do have what I will say, I at least think it's good news. So we just had oral arguments on Adam and Barry's appeals at the Sixth Circuit in front of a three judge panel that the oral arguments I believe went well.
The defense got ten minutes each, the government got twenty minutes, and it was really interesting listening to the judges on the Sixth Circuit, asked Nils Kessler, the prosecutor on the case, about why the government was basically preventing all of this exculpatory information from the defense to be included and one of it gets into the statements made by the informants that were incriminating for them. The government was able to keep a number of informants completely off the stand. One
of them was their main pedophile informant, Steve Robison. He was a key architect of the plot, maybe even the main architect, along with the other main informant, Dan Chappell, also known as Big Dan, and so they by preventing him from testifying, he was able to plead the fifth in The defense had requested that the judge compel him to testify. The judge did not, so the government argued that anything that informant said on audio would be hearsay
and that the jury wouldn't get to hear it. While all of hit the audio that we have and the defense did by the way they filed emotion it
was called out of court statements that they wanted to bring in. It was essentially all the things that were exculpatory in nature for the defense, there's a whole list of individual statements, text messages they wanted to get in in front of the jury, and the judge denied that motion with this bogus blanket hearsay ruling across the board, and he stuck to that at the retrial of Adam and Berry, because remember the first trial ended in zero convictions, two acquittals,
a mistrial on Adam and Berry, so they retried them. And then there were a number of other issues with the retrial as well that were also talked about at oral argument, one being an issue with potential ger misconduct. There was a juror on the jury and the retrial of Adam and Berry who allegedly, according to three different witnesses, at his work, when he received the jury summons, he said, oh, I hope I get on the Whitmer case. I'm going to hang those guys. Those were his exact words,
and this was according to three different people. Mid trial, the defense lawyers brought this to Judge Anker's attention. They had their private investigator find other coroborating witnesses, and the judge did not hold a proper what is called a remor hearing where the defense could interrogate the juror and ask him, did you
say this? What the judge did, and this is highly unusual, is he brings the juror and the government in closed chambers without defense lawyers being there, and he says, I don't have any video of you saying this, and you're not under oath, but there are allegations you said this. Did you say it? And the jur does not deny saying it, He does not explicitly deny it. He goes, I don't remember, I don't think I don't think I did well. The judge goes, oh, okay,
and then just allows him to continue on. Now, when it comes to things like impropriety, in these trials, especially one that is high stakes like this, there's not even supposed to be the appearance of impropriety. So even the appearance of misconduct by a juror should have gotten Atcher removed in an alternate put in his place. It's also interesting that that jury went on to be
the foreman of the jury and that nice. Yeah. Also other things that happened, like one of the guys that took a plea deal, Pleb Franks
at the retrial of Adam and Barry. The government limited their cross examination by the defense to twenty five minutes, but the prosecutors had an unlimited time with Caleb Franks, so they could spend fifty minutes with their direct and then when it went to the defense to cross examined, and they got twenty five minutes, And when it got down to the last few minutes, Judge Anker starts doing a physical countdown. You have two minutes left? Are you really going
to waste your time with this crap line of questioning? And he starts disparaging them, and he's only doing this to the defense, not the government, so it's very clear, and he's doing this in front of the jury. It's clear to the jury who the judge favors, what side the judge favor. So this is completely inappropriate. This is not a fair trial. It is a kangaroo court. So those were the issues brought up on oral argument,
and the main one though being the hearsay stuff. Because the judges on the Sixth Circuit, the three judge panel, asked the appeals lawyers for Adam and Barry, well, what would you like us to do? You know, they said we'd like a new trial where we can actually admit evidence and call witnesses, you know, like what you're supposed to have. So they go, Okay, that's I think that's where we're going. The government now
has two weeks to respond their argument, which was interesting. At oral arguments about the hearsay thing, the prosecutor, Nil Kessler, tried to say, well, they don't have any specific statements that they want in, and I'm like, what are you talking about. I've got the binder here. They filed an entire thing filled with all of these. These are all statements that
they wanted to get in. Either are all things Steve Robison said where he's directing a man named Frank Butler from Virginia to start a quick reaction force. He's trying to get him to kidnap and kill Ralph Northam. That's why we have the text message from the handling agent, Jason Chambers say mission is to
kill the governor. Specifically, that was about Ralph Northam and a separate thing they were doing while they were doing the Whitmer hoax, because they really wanted it to be a multi state plot, and you'll hear more about that in the documentary there. That's amazing. You know, I've seen this type of thing as well, and all the cases that I've looked at in detail. You go back and look at the Bundy Ranch, for example, the amount
of exculpatory evidence that they ruled out. And they did that and got some convictions early on, but before the conclusion in terms of coming after m and Bundy and some of the others, they had a whistleblower from the Bureau of Land Management, and it's because of that whistleblower coming forward that they didn't get convictions on everything because they ruled out and excluded all kinds of exculpatory evidence. I saw the same thing with ross Albrick in the Silk Road trial. He's
serving three consecutive life sentences. He'll never get parole, and the reason is is that after they convicted him, the prosecutor and when they were doing the Senate synk they said, well, you know, he put out this murder for higher thing, and he was never even indicted, let alone found guilty of that. That was just something was thrown out to the media and they kept the fact that there were FBI agents who were running Silk Road and were
currently as his trial was going on. These two FBI agents were on trial themselves for embezzling money out of Silk Road. Anything that they applied to him could have been applied to the could have been the FBI agents that were doing it, and they kept that away from the jury, that these guys had all the keys to the website and were embezzling money and we're on trial themselves for that type of thing. And so it is amazing how the justice system
is rigged. And when you look at any of this, any of these trials, it's just amazing how they exclude all this evidence so we clearly know that somebody is innocent. Yeah, And I like to remind people we have a legal system, not a justice system. It's a legal system which is designed, of course to bring in money and you know, to punish people
that the government doesn't like. And the entire thing is like most of these judges are former prosecutors, Like the government has every advantage even though they have almost unlimited resources, and the people they're up against our borderline indigent for the most part, like for the you know, in the Whitmer case, certainly where those guys were reliant on public defenders and I believe that they didn't think
it was going to go to trial. I think they believe they were going to arrest these guys and do this shock and awe thing of like you're facing life in prison, we've got a ninety nine percent conviction rate. Blah blah blah. You know, they do these scare tax and a lot of times public defenders will work with the prosecutors in this way because they have a big caseload. They encourage often there Clyons to take plea deals for something they didn't
do. They'll say, well, you know, this is what you're up against, and they scare you and they make you think that you cannot win going up against this machine. And that's what it is. It is a well oiled machine in place. The legal system is basically a racket, and it's a scam up and down. It's all about making money. And I say this as somebody who worked as a pairalegal for many years and saw it
from the inside. You know, I went to criminal I was in the criminal justice program in high school, and I had this silly idea about like the justice system, and that's not how it is at all. Once you really experience it. You go, oh, this is like a Ponzi scheme. Basically, you know, they have these court appointed guardians ad item they do, I have all these things that they're just there to make money and not to help people but destroy them. And as you point out, most
people won't go to trial. I don't know whether this is something ninety three percent or whatever. Just just plea out and take a deal because the thing is so rigged. And because we don't have independently thinking juries, you know, we don't have dury nullification has talked to you know, the judges tell them, no, you can't do that. Sometimes specifically they find out that you're doing dury nullification, they will remove you. They may not remove you,
they may leave you. And as the foreman, if you said, I'm out to get this guy, but if you say something about dury nullification, they're going to immediately remove you. So it is very rigged, and they do come up with all of these it's like shock and awe, overwhelming people with all these extra charges and everything. You have to firmly believe in your innocence and in order to push back against this system and actually take it
to trial. I think, yeah, I agree, and I think that they assume these guys were gonna just take the plea deals and that this wouldn't go to trial and none of this information would come out. I think that's what they were expecting. I don't think they ever thought anyone was going to hear about Steve Robison. You know, well, give us an update as to what's going on with the documentary. And I'm sure that it's taking a hit now because of all this stuff, and I'm sure that's the intention the
yeah, exactly, yeah, we are. You know, as I had said, we're preparing to do another shoot. This one is pretty important, so I'll be traveling back to Michigan. It is just overwhelming on just to try to do it as such a small crew. We're a very small crew, so we're just a few people and it's very difficult. But where we stand right now is we've got one one more shoot. I'm going to be
spending a week in Michigan, going up and down the state. I have access for a limited time to certain important areas of interest from the case that are basically essential to the documentary. So this is probably my most important trip. And then there's one more I have to make and then we should be able to get back into post production. But every time I say that, there's always something that ends up happening because it's such a complex story. Right.
This is four years, four different trials, fourteen defendants, twenty unindicted co conspirators, everybody's family and friends, so it's a lot to put together. There's a lot. I think people have a misunderstanding of how much work goes into doing something like this, how expensive it is to make a documentary. They believe it or not. They don't actually just get made by themselves
overnight. It takes a lot of work, a lot of resources, a lot of financing, and we have been very lucky, very blessed to have been able to essentially crowdfund this so far. My family has also helped out, and they're very supportive, and I'm very very lucky to have them because they know that this is something that is important to me that I'm passionate about.
So I will not put the film out until it is complete, and I am going to be going through things in detail in the documentary because nobody else is going to do it. Somebody had to preserve the historical record.
So I have a lot, a lot right now that we're sitting on so hopefully, yes, what they've done now with the d banking right before I have to travel is causing a lot of problems for me because it's you know, I have enough trying to plan a shoot, which is difficult enough with a small crew like our time and resources are so tight that I have to schedule things to like the hour for what I'm going to do each day because
of my limited time. So I already was trying to do that. Now it adds more things that I have to deal with first, and then of course some of my money is now tied up and I don't know when I'm going to get it. Luckily, though, they did not get the bank account for the documentary itself, and I think the reason for that is because I did not use any big bank I knew going into it. When I created the fundraiser for the documentary, I created a separate account just for that.
I had a feeling that they might try, so I went with like a bank that is not a big bank that a lot of people haven't even heard of, and I think that's the only reason why that one has survived so far. So if you have donated to the documentary with the Gibsen Go fundraiser. You have nothing to worry about those funds will They're fine, they have not gotten any of that. That's good. That's good, and that's one of the things, you know, we need to need to think about
that. We need to look towards local banks, smaller banks, banks where you're going to know the people and you know, not the banks that are so tightly tied into the federal government and the FBI and other things that like Bank of America. I think it's very right in America who has collaborated with the FBI. As you said with January sixth, this is one of the things the fifteen Attorney General said in their letter to Bank of America in the
first three paragraphs, they said they collaborate with the FBI. So they changed their name to the Bank of the FBI. Yeah, right, they are. It's like banking with Jack Recover, you know. Yeah. I feel like they just wanted to cause inconveniences for me and to try to do this right before I had to leave for a shoot, to make it more difficult for me to slow down my progress, to throw things in my way.
That's happened from the beginning, by the way, like I came into this to filming this very objective about the situation and about the guys, and I just wanted to know the truth. And I as I started doing it, things kept happening that just was reinforcing what I was seeing in the discovery of like how vindictive the government can be and what they will do to people who they just don't like, like I have had. And I think I talked
about this before when I was interviewing Adam and Barry. I interviewed Barry right before his sentencing the night before. I said, is there any statement you want to get out? I have a small platform, but I'll put it out for you. He said yes. I put it out like a five
minute video, maybe at nine o'clock at night. The next morning, the prosecutor Nils Kessler is quoting from it at barry sentencing to call him unrepentant and completely radicalized for not taking responsibility for the FBI's plot and maintaining his innocence. But then he also said that he was a spiritual leader, he was like the blind chic and all this other nonsense he gave Barry nineteen and a half years, So Barry ended up getting more time than Adam Fox, who the
government initially said was the ringleader and focused on Adam. Adam got sixteen years, though Barry got nineteen and a half. And I think that's because at that time of sentencing, Barry was participating in the documentary more than any of the other guys, including more than Adam, and I think it was punishment to him specifically. So that night after their sentencing, I'm interviewing him again. I said, do you guys want to get statements out to the Weaponization
Committee? I will record him. I'll get him out. The guys wrote their statements, I record Barry reading his as a fourmant long statement. I publish it the next day. The next more, both Adamant and Barry are moved out of Diego County and sent two different supermax prisons across the country.
Adam sent to Florence Supermax, Berry sent to Tera Hate. Would they then tell him when he gets there that he's going to be moved into the Communications Management Unit the CMU, which would have prevented his ability to basically even communicate with me through letters. So at that point, once they did that, oh, and that my house was rated twice at the same time these guys
were moved to supermaxis. So all of these things were happening that are sort of like plausible deniability for the government that, oh, maybe it's just coincidental timing that this is happening, but it's just one thing after another, and these really seem like with the debanking now also with the Bureau of Prisons labeling
me a security risk for no reason. I have no criminal record. I'm somebody who was in the criminal justice system, worked in law for many heres, volunteered with the Orthodox prison ministries before I even started this documentary, so I should have no issues with the BOP. They'd approve me for visitation with one of the guys. Then I called before I came for the visit. I get there physically, they say now I'm not approved anymore, and they
wouldn't tell me why they wouldn't let me visit with them. The poor kid, you know, he had just gotten his haircut, he was ready to get his picture taken with me, and he was sitting there waiting, and I can't call him to tell him they're not letting me in. Well, I find out later that they tell me that the BOP has denied my visits now because I'm a quote security risk. They wouldn't sign off on it though.
Nobody from BOP would sign a name to that, and nobody would tell me who made that determination when it was made, in on what criteria that was made. So we have a foiler request in right now with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. I attended a BOP oversight hearing. I met the director actor the BOP, Collette Peters. She told me she was going to facilitate a visit, and then this is what happened. This was the result of
that. Right, she put me in touch with her media person who was supposed to facilitate this visit, and I get this email with just from a generic BOP at BOP dot gov, you know, email with nobody's name on it, saying you have been you know, they had approved me first and then they said they rescinded the approval and I'm a quote security risk. Wow
wow, yeah, thought he will tell me why. That's what exactly a looks like the no fly list, who we look at all these different things that they have come up with in just the last few years, last twenty years or so, things like the no flylist, things like the communication management unit that you mentioned. I've talked many times to Marty Gottisfeld who was put in there, and his big crime was he came after a Harvard affiliated children's
hospital up in Boston because there was a medical kidnapping case there. He embarrassed them. They got him sent to prison, and they got him sent to a communications management unit because he was connected to a lot of different people. So when we look at these types of things, these are structures that have absolutely no place in a republic that has a Bill of rights like we do and a constitution like we do. They belong in a dystopian totalitarian society,
which is what we have become. Folks. If you start to peel this back, all of these different structures have been set up. They've already been applied to a lot of people. The question is when are they growing and broaden this out to everybody, because that is what's going to happen. And it makes it very concerned about things like CBDC and these other things digital ID and stuff like that, because we see the tautalitarian heart of our government that
it despises the principles that America was founded on. It truly is amazing. If people want to find keep up with you and find it, they can go to K and K is a film singular film plural dot com k and kfilm dot com Good okay, and there they can find how they can donate and support. You got links to all of that stuff. There they can see the trailer that we played at the beginning of this, and I would imagine, you know, as you move forward, I mean, these trials
are still an appeal. They could continue in appeal. I guess you're going to have to just kind of, you know, put something there together, and then you could always do an update as some of these things are resolved. And I would imagine that after the core of the story is told that there would be an opportunity to go for people to go back and dig deeper. You know, That's what we're thinking. Yeah, we're thinking of We're
focused right now on getting the first part out. Part one, I think is going to be the main focus, and then after that maybe a part two and three, because this is going to be there's just no way you can get all of this information into one film. You have to do it that way. So we're focused now, but we can't even get Part one done without doing this last shot. We were in post production, we were working on editing, and we're like, you know what, we just can't
without access to certain locations which I was able to secure. This is the other reason why I think they really don't want me doing this last trip because and I say what it is, because that would be foolish. As I know, my assigned agent is watching and listening, but they have other ways of tracking and monitoring all of your communications. I already know that they're monitoring mine because certainly they monitor all my communications with the five guys who are still
in prison. And so I feel like they really don't want me coming for this last shoot because this is going to be my most important one and I'm really looking forward to it. Also, I will say for the appeals of the state guys Pete music O, Joe Morrison, and Paul Bellar, the three who were tried at the state level for quote providing material support and then moved to federal BOP facilities across the country on the eve of their appeals.
All of those guys could be incarcerated by the way until twenty sixty three, So that's about forty years for nothing. Paul's twenty five right now. It's just insane to think about. And he's been incarcerated since he was twenty one years old. Joe's only twenty nine right now. His two young kids have not they're like babies, they have not gotten to be with their father at all. And then Pete is his father in law, that's their grandfather,
is also incarcerated. So imagine that your father and grandfather are incarcerated for something they didn't do, and it could potentially be for forty years. That is just insane to think about. What we know for that is for Paul, we have a hearing on him about bringing him back to Michigan. That hearing is coming up June seventh in Michigan, and at looks like the defense has filed for a writ to kind of compel them to bring him back to Michigan
so he can meaningfully participate in the appeals process. Right now, as it is in Minersville, Pennsylvania, he's got no access to a Michigan law library. His Michigan court appointed public defender can't meet with him, doesn't make those drives. So he's had no contact with his lawyer. Legal mail is returned to sender, so he has not gotten the transcripts he needs to prepare for his appeal. And then it goes on and on. All of the attorney
client privileged phone calls are being monitored by a third party. And I'm not saying that this is coming from court filings in the case. Anyone can go look at the exhibits where they the attorneys are saying this. A third party is monitoring the phone calls. We all know who that third party is. We also all know that Whittmer is the head of the MDOC, as the governor of Michigan is at actually the head of the Michigan Department of Corrections.
If you don't know how the organizational chart works, that's how it is. So even if we do bring all three guys back to Michigan pending appeal, my concern is as soon as they step foot in Michigan, they're getting put in the whole and contact with them is going to cease. And that's my concern right now, is keeping in touch with them during this time because we have no idea what's going to happen. It's also very weird that the trial
judge is still overseeing the appeals Judge Wilson. And this is the bizarre thing. They say, Well, Judge Wilson, in this Court of Claims process, if he decides like he's going to decide to take up an appeal on his own rulings, why are we wasting time with this? Then they go, oh, well, after if he makes a decision, after that, then it goes to the like the Michigan Court of Appeals or something, and with a three judge panel, and then they'll make a decision. And I
said, so, why are we doing this? Then? Is this just to waste time and just to key these men in Prison's Judge Wilson's not going to disagree with rulings he made. That's just nonsensical. And so I just have no I feel like I'm in clown world. I have no idea what's happening. And as somebody who worked in law, I have never seen something like this occur where the trial judge becomes the person overseeing the appeals process.
I've never seen that happen before. Amazing. Well, it's a story that really has to be told, and it's something that we should all be concerned about how our government has loosened the chains that we're supposed to bind them down, as Patrick Henry said, buying them down the chains of the Constitution. But the fact that we have these bureaucracies, because that's what the FBI is,
it's a federal bureaucracy. That we have these bureaucracies that will entrap, that will bait and entrap, and then we have the and that's part of this, A big part of this. And then the other part of it is how they will deny do process, how they will deny a fair trial, how they will apply excessive punishment. All of these things are part of this story and of so many other stories. But if people can see this in one story, they might understand, you know, just how important it
is. And these other ones, and I know that you're gonna have a lot of problems with getting this scene. Take a look at the movie that Clint Eastwood did about the Olympic bombings in Atlanta, for example, right, and Richard Jewell and what happened with that. They came after that movie in so many different ways. They use the me too thing to shut it down.
There's going to be all kinds of frivolous and slanderous things that will probably come out, just like they threw against Clint Eastwood to try to shut down this film get people to not see it because that's the way they operate. And that was an excellent movie and more people should have seen it because that
gives them a glimpse into the real, the reality of the FBI. It's not this carefully prepared and presented image that Jaggar Hoover would always do through Hollywood and through his TV show that he ran, you know, for years and years when I was much younger. But it's a pr thing and they work on that very much. So of course they're going to be opposing you. They oppose anything that shows them getting it wrong and getting it vindictive and so.
But we should all be very concerned about what is happening to our government, and we need more documentaries about these types of things. But your film is very important. It was also the template for J six. The same guy that ran that operation goes to Washington and runs the J six thing to entrap people. We got people that we're seeing such so much excessive punishment of pro life people of J six, people of these guys It truly is amazing
what our government has become. I think it's disgusting and it's very sad. I'm somebody who you know, I'm a very nice lady. I love to give people the benefit of the doubt, and you know, I try to be very positive and stuff like that. But this, the process of like working on this has really, I don't want to say black pilled me,
but it has. I already was aware of, like FBI corruption. In fact, my research of pat Con is what got me started covering the Whitmer case because I had been looking into that prior to those guys getting arrested. Once they got arrested, I'm going, oh my god, it's Pacn all over again. And I'm seeing it, but experiencing it is different when it starts happening to you. These co intel pro tactics that they do, or
like what the East German Stasi did. They had a program called zerzett Song, which means decomposition, where they would do very bizarre things to people, including going into their home and rearranging furniture and then leaving it just to make you think that you're going crazy, or you say to people, yeah, I think something my home was burglarized. Whether they steal anything, no, they just rearrange the furniture. That makes you sound psychotic, but these are
the things they would do to people. They would arrange for failures in your work, and you didn't know. You would just think that you weren't progressing in life, that you didn't get the promotion. But really they were arranging for these things to happen to you, to make it as difficult for you as possible to do whatever it was you were doing they didn't like. Typically
that is dissenting from the official narrative and exposing their criminality. And these are the kinds of things that they do, the things that give them plausible deniability. But it's just little death by thousand cuts. And of course you know, you know about that, I know about that, They know about that, And there isn't any restriction on their part from a moral or a legal
standard. There's no restrictions on whatever they do. So if they see something that the Stasi people did, oh yeah, we could use that, you know, And so they're going to adopt any and all of this stuff because there is no controlling legal authority for these organizations, and it doesn't matter.
You know, the FBI is there, but when we look at all these other different aspects, where there's the EPA coming up with arbitrary things to shut down our infrastructure, there is no control and Washington is absolutely out of control. None of the people in Washington will do anything about it. Will the whole show trials about this or that. But they keep funding it all they're big superpowers that they can cut the funding to it, they don't do it.
Instead, they're giving them massive new budgets and bigger budgets. And they're doing the same thing with the irs as they are with the FBI. Here have another big pile of money. We love what you're doing right well, lying to us, you know, and fund raising off of these little show hearings that they do hold. There's zero oversight of the FBI. The Weaponization
Committee has been a complete and total farce. The nerve of them to refer to that as a church committee two point oh, I just think is ridiculous. But that's where we are. Jim Jordan has been a complete failure. He has been such a disappointment. I myself have tried to get information to the committee, to Jim Jordan himself about the Whitmer case, specifically to get them to urge them to investigate. Like I said, I even got statements
from the men themselves and gave them handed it off to them. And I've gotten no response from the Weaponization Committee, and I've heard from you know, we'll just say people behind closed doors that they're not interested in getting into the bottom of it because they're donors. It's not on their list of priorities for their donors. They go, oh, on a list of like one to twenty three, that would be number twenty three at the bottom of And I'm
going to the American people though it's number one for them. Who cares about your donors? So we get Hunter Biden, we get this nonsense that frankly, nobody cares about. All of these political dynasties have NEPO babies. Hunter Biden isn't any different by any stretch of the imagination. Who cares. It's just stupid, but this is. And then there are five men still incarcerated, ripped from their families. Barry has three daughters, Joe has two daughters,
Pete has daughters grandchildren. Paul they threw him in there when he was twenty one, years old, before he had a chance to start a family. They're taking time from these men that they'll never get back for something they didn't do. And yet we can't get Jim Jordan to look into this.
We can't get him to look into the blueprint for January sixth. We can't get the Weaponization Committee to investigate this case, the most egregious example of weaponization in recent history, which according to the government, it was the biggest,
the greatest domestic terrorism case in a generation. We can't get the Weaponization Committee to investigate that, then it's completely useless and it's just a farce, and it's just there for them to grift off of it by taking little two minute sound bites of themselves at these show trials that they rush to put on social media where they get their Fox News appearance. That's all these people care about.
They don't give a damn about these men, and they're not going to until we make them, until we put enough pressure on them publicly to do something. I agree. Yeah, they absolutely don't care about any principles whatsoever, and they don't understand that if they allow a government that is weaponized and atalitarian, that eventually is going to come back after them. As Michael Hayden said, we're not interested in everybody, We're only interested in interesting people.
Well, guess what, these congressmen are also interesting people. They're being black mailed probably, but they will also find themselves up against the wall when they really drop the hammer on this stuff. And you look at these politicians who are getting getting censored, or even Trump with all of these other things that they're coming up against him. He could have done some things to stand up for free speech. He could have done some things to shut down this kind
of weaponization which was around the entire time. But if you don't do anything about that, it's going to eventually come around to you as well. And that's the thing that they don't know and they don't seem to care about. They think that they're above the law as well, and they really don't care what happens to you and I, and they don't care what happens to these other people. They don't support justice whatsoever. They think they can skate through
and do whatever they want. And for the most part, they're right. You know, you get menindas beat the first trial, so after a second time, but you know, they can pretty much do anything they want and get away with it. So I guess, you know, maybe that's what the whole ballgame is about. That's why I think we need to have this
documentary. We need to expose this to the light. That's the way we disinfect this stuff, and then people need to understand just how rotten Washington is, so people start directing their energies away from these people like Jim Jordan who aren't going to do anything, and start looking at what, if anything,
we can do at the most local level. I think we're going to have to take this country back from the grassroots up, and we're going to have to, first of all, this avow any any idea that we're going to get this sol from the top down down the top is completely rotten. Absolutely is Yeah. I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that's honestly. I think that's why the Whitmer guys were targeted in the first place, because they were the guys on the ground that said we have to step up
and do nothing when they saw the country burning to the ground. In twenty twenty during the mostly peaceful protests. These were the men that said, let's get our community together and protect our communities. That's what they were doing, and that's why they didn't like them. That's why they wanted to target them, because they were men who said, we're not going to sit here and allow you to loot buildings and businesses and burn them to the ground. We
are going to organize. We're going to show up armed, and we're going to stand out front of these buildings and we're going to guard them. They don't like that. They didn't like the men, armed men coming together, organizing themselves and saying, no, we're not going to allow your tyranny anymore. We're going to stand against it. And it was that it was simply
them saying those words that got them targeted. And I'd also say for people who think they know what happened with the Whitmer case, they do not. There's so much to this story that no one knows about that I haven't even talked about because I want people to see it in the documentary that you think
you know what happened here, I can assure you you don't. You're going to see what happened firsthand, and you're going to hear from the people that actually happened to themselves, and you're going to also see the lies that we're told about these families and these men, and you're going to see them for who they really are. Yes, it's very important. I really hope that you get this thing done and sooner the better, and I know you want
to get it done as well. Knkfilm dot com is where people can find it. I would also say this, Christina, better air Gap. You're editing equipment and things like that. Make sure that it's not connected anything that's connected to the Internet, so they don't put a virus on your machine and take it down, you know, do all that kind of stuff. I'm serious. I mean, I've had Mark Hall who did a documentary about Fatala Gulein. He made sure he had his stuff air Gap and he was getting
threats as well from that organization. So you know, air Gap, you're editing machine and this other stuff, make sure you got lots of backups of other things as well. Guard Goldsmith, I'll give the last word here to Guard has a liberty conspiracy, and he says to Christine. He says, this is a key conversation showing how both Christina's work on the film and David's
work on a show can yield new and wider benefits. I keep wondering if recent probes I had with stocks at Merrill Lynch Bank of America owned as you noticed yesterday, David, stem from this kind of targeting. Keep up the great work. Yeah, the network that is there, and it's going to get so much more extensive with their leverage of artificial intelligence and other things like this. We've got to try to establish some firewalls on this tyranny. If
we don't, it's going to be unlimited and so unbelievably pervasive. So people need to start thinking about that. We need to put some air gaps between us and the Internet, because that's one of their key tools, you know, for our essential things like finances and food and other things like that. Get an air gap, get it out there separate from some of these other
things. Thank you so much for joining us, Christina. Sorry about all the problems that you're having, but of course thank you for fighting and we know you're going to get the same finished kankfilm dot Com. Thank you very much, Thank you, thank you. Well, that's it folks for today. And again I've got some stuff I didn't get to today, but it's we'll save it. For tomorrow. We've got some things happening tomorrow, and it is very important for us to understand just how far from the Constitution the
federal government has gotten. Not to get drawn into these personal petty rivalries between presidential candidates and the UNI Party that's there to keep you distracted from the real things that need to be done with your life, your family, God, and your community. Keep those things there and focus on that. That's what you can do something about. Thank you for joining us. Let me tell you the David Night Show you can listen to with your ears. You can
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