Well, joining us now is Goatree, and he's been on several times talking about computer cybersecurity issues and other things like that. So when I saw what was happening with crowd strike, I wanted to get him on to get his take on. As a matter of fact, he was sending me some stuff as the program was going on Friday, and I didn't see it until after the program. So I wanted to do this special report and put this out.
Now, the name may sound familiar to you, it took me a moment to kind of place it. It's like, oh, yeah, those are the guys that were involved with Hillary Clinton and the Russia Gates stuff, and they were the ones who flagged it for her, and they were the ones who first put this out. And then, of course, as CNN puts it, they said CrowdStrike was the first to publicly sound the alarm about
Russia's interference in twenty sixteen election. Well, that's suspicious. And then Crowdstrike's assessment was later confirmed by US intelligence agencies who like left and right, and that's been confirmed. Now, CNN just flushed about four or five years of history down the memory hole, because we've known for several years This has been
thoroughly debunked. They kept everybody going for a couple of years. But all this stuff about seventeen security agencies and everything that was all Hillary Clinton, and we've gone through all that, but it's all still news to CNN, who pretends that this didn't happen. So now CrowdStrike is at the center of worldwide outage and all kinds of things from transportation to banking. We've got stores that are closed that can't do business. It is massive because of something that is
in their code. It does not affect Max, it doesn't affect Linux, but it affects Windows. But it has affected businesses and airports around the world to got entire airlines that have shut down. Some of them are using whiteboards to put stuff out. So I guess unless you want to fly Amish air you may be out of luck with travel anywhere. So I want to get goatree on and get his take on this. Thank you for joining us, goa tree Happy Saturday's going to be fun. Yeah, yeah, that is
go ahead. What do you think is going on with this? You're looking at this and one of the things that you point out so interesting that it's just you know, one little line of code fifteen characters that's caused all this grief. Yeah, you know, CrowdStrike basically, I'll just read how they
described themselves. CrowdStrike services provide so are the best practice framework needed to access and enhance cybersecurity maturity levels election system Oh yeah, elections systems, boys and girls, to protect the integrity of the voting process and sanctity of the democratic institutions under which we thrive. Yeah. Oh, they're already advertising they're going to be handling the elections. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there it
is right there, cybersecurity for election systems. Now, then that great. You know we got News Guard from Microsoft that's going to make sure the news is good. They got Election Guard to make sure that elections are going to be geting. We also got CrowdStrike, who's going to make sure that the elections are safe from any tampering. Yeah. And you know I've called this. I guess since it's a cyber security company doing for doing it, we can't call it a hack. Let's call it the next floit. Yeah,
I've named it the Revenge of the Closed Source strikes again. What that means is this is geek speak for vendor back doors, vendor ports, open courts, whatever geek speak you want to apply to this old doss Windows operating system. Yeah, and that's any thing that Windows really fundamentally changed forever, right, decades of stuff that's built on top of this garbage. That's the founder that's got a really old foundation, doesn't It is antiquitated. It is not
changed. They just put new skins on it, and these little I mean, I mean this has been RAND since nineteen well, want to Bill Gates stealer nineteen eighty two. Yeah, that's right, and it's never been modified for current operations. I mean everybody, Okay, all these guys that built their careers will lend us in this. They're going to say, you don't know what you're talking about. But basic codes and basic commands are still GAUSS and it's not changed. Yeah, and well, for instance, it only
puts fifteen characters in this code strength. Can you think of fifteen characters to crash millions of Windows operated laptops, desktops and servers. Can we talk a little bit about that, And let's let's talk a little bit about what is actually happening. I mean, what they're getting the blue screen of death. That's not booting up. Is that correct? When the people have it, it's right, and what it has done is it's locked. Let's let me
go back for just a second. I'm working on my notes because this is this has been like kicking over Pandora's box and uh Medusa pops out because this is a this is not what it looks like. Uh basically, it is causing these machines to uh continually try to boot up, but there's a it's not allowing them to. It's just it's getting you conflicts. And you have to go into the back, which is through the Oh I don't use Windows that much. I mean I quit used Windows years ago. But you have
to go into safe mood. Then you have to scroll through fin file, find this one fifteen character code and manually remove it. And you know, you have billion sublimees of code all through the servers and things like that,
so you're looking for a fifteen character code to remove you right now. If you think about it, it's so surreal because there's been there's trillion sublimes coode out there making things operate, and billions of dollars spent on digital security, and a simple little fifteen character code ricks men's and Windows devices on the critical infrastructure. Wow. So if you remove this thing and you get into safe mode, then you've got to go into some kind of a text editor to
try to find that one line of those fifteen characters remove it? Is that what the real hitches? Well, I lost your audio there? Did you drop your phone? No? Okay, we're back. There, we're back, We're back. Yeah. Okay. Now what you've got to do is and this goes back to DAWs I mean, these guys that want to argue with me, they can argue to their tonsils roll out on the floor.
You've got to go back to the file which is written on Dawson backbone, open that file, and then go through and locate that fifteen line cood and remove it manually. And that's the time consumer that's going And that's going to be different for every computer, presumably because the things that have been put in there where that is located in the file uh in duty Yes, So it's
not just simply go in and open up. Hopefully the IFP people were smart enough not to change a name on the fiel, but some of them do. Yeah, Well, let me read this to you. This is from futurism, says Microsoft recommends rebooting your computer fifteen times as blue Screen of Death strikes worldwide. The subtitle is have you tried turning it on and off again? Which is the first thing text of what I always ask you? And
then on and on and off again and again again. And they said, as the world is reeling that, this is their instructions to try fifteen times. I mean, if you want to try to go treat method, hit with a hammer a couple of times, that don't work, bouncing off the floor a couple of times. Yeah, some people are I better. Some people are doing that right now because they're so upset about what is what is
happening with this? And so we got all these computers that have gone down, and they're saying it might take weeks, and I guess it's because it's difficult to find that particular piece of code to to fix it right. And the mass well, let's split it into concept. You know, average business, let's just say I don't know, a million dollar a year business,
they probably have twenty five maybe thirty. Some of them, you know, in automation and things like them, they have fifty fifty laptops or desktops or whatever to operate their business and their people and their business. And they only have one IT guy m where they take this add one IT guy to an hour per laptop, desktop, server, whatever to clear it. So right there you have got fifty to sixty manual ires just bringing the computers back online.
So if you get these multinationals, their IT is usually no more than let's see, the way they like to work is seven. Let's just say they've got a thousand computers down, they've got seven IT people. They've got a problem. You know they're talking weeks or months. Yeah, yeah, I see of the problem is yeah, yeah, you multiply it out right. It's not the code, it is the correction that is going to be causing the delays, right, And of course these computers are not necessarily going
to be all one physical location. They're going to be distributed to a lot of different places for all these IT guys to try to go. It's crazy. Now you've been talking about it on a Friday. Yeah, this occurry on a Friday. Wait till people get get in the office, those that weren't in the office on Friday, Wait till they get it in on Monday
and get their surprise. Yeah. Wow, Well you've been talking about this kind of stuff for quite some time, the kind of exploits you were talking about it with railroads and things like that, right, Yeah, this is to explain this in a simple way. You know, when we were talking about this Palestine, Ohio railroad crash. Yeah, I sent you that video of the railroad dude opening the remote shack that had the automated safety equipment in it. It was all there, radio, computer, keyboard, everything,
just sitting there waiting the rock and roll. Just we'll send in information either event driven or on a schedule. Well me, mister black hat, the only thing between me and it is a padlot. So if I'll knocked that pad lot and get in in there and insert I don't know, let's just say a petty character line of code that don't take down that railroad. I
can insert it embebt it into the hourly or event transmission. When that happens, it's going to deploy on their email server, whichever server it goes to, whatever it's routed to. When they open it up, it starts breaking
things. And as you pointed out before, you know, a lot of these things ship with a default passcode that is there in the manual, and a lot of times they don't change the default password, and if they do change the default password, frequently what they'll do is write it there next to the password for the next guy who's coming in. Because it's a household for the wall right on the walls. You know. That's uh, that's just human nature. That's what's happening with these systems. Well, this is the
same principle that happened with them with this crowd strike. CrowdStrike does it as a update. Well, basically, these remote nodes are sending updates. It may be information, and you can't insert, mount, mount the code malware into it and do the same thing. I mean, the header comes along, comes across one o'clock update, everything's fine dandy in at the bottom. You insert your code and the systems will read the code too, and it
can't execute that code. Mm hmmmm. Because the machine are dumb. Computer's dumb. They're driven on commands. So if it sees this update, this operational update, and these cood onn't it, it could actually execute that COODE. Then you have the domino effect or the waterfall effect happening. Yeah, and we had that man talk a little bit about the Colonial pipeline as well. You know when we had that situation happening. Pen tests, well,
this was one. It was it's either twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. We did some ten testing on a pipeline and these used these very small devices that basically took pressure flow and all these rates that was needed to make the pipeline function efficiently, and then they would send in these one hour updates. Well they kept these in these plastic they were don't eat locked. They were in these like plastic things where your water sprinkler is. We pop that open.
We took the discount, put ours in it, and uh we waited about an hour and they started getting alarms at the Mastres's system. And uh, ours was not meant to do hurt anything. It was just simply a spoof letting them know that we were in the system. They had I think we had I think we were playing disco music and had a flashing screen. And
that's what they hire you for. They hire you as a white hat hacker to find the vulnerabilities and report them to them and to play Yeah, you play them from CAC and the Sunshine Man or yo go oh no screaming at night. Yeah, no, we only say that for squad. Basically, we let them know we were in the system and if we were up to no good, we could do anything we choose to. So we made them
listen to some really weird disco music. Yeah, that's interesting, you know when you look at this and again we keep seeing this over and over again. We've had a couple of now Colonial pipeline they had a hack that from what it was reported, it attacked their counting system and not the pipeline. Is that correct, Yes, And that seems to be easy these ancillary systems.
I mean we saw that with the airlines that got shut down for like a twenty four hour period because somebody hacked into the NOTEAM system, which is a warning system that tells the planes if there's some incident in or around an airport on a runway or something like that. So it's just kind of a news alert broadcast. But if they didn't have that ability to warn planes and that was taken down, the FAA just shut down all of the planes for
about a twenty four hour people. Yes, well you've got right now. Just off this exploit of thousands of flights either very delayed or canceled. I mean, you've got people that are basically stranded at the moment. Well we're talking about this on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon, I looked and they said that all of United and all of American airlines were shut down. So I don't know how extensive it is in the United States, but all their planes,
all their planes are shut down. And like I said, fifteen character toos, what's done it? And I would hate to be part of their IT department. These guys aren't going to get home for a month. But you know, you're going back to how to get into these systems. It doesn't matter where you find the vulnerability, you can exploit it. It's like with colonial pipeline, Well they found it in the payroll or whatever department they got
into. When you're proving a network, you look for the vulnerability. You don't care where it is, because once you get in, you can burrow to wherever you want to go. So I mean, I could in theory find an unguarded I don't know site for their janitorial staff by them in and you know, you could have the janitorial Department of Doom sitting there terrorizing the company as a real hits the fan scenario, isn't it. Yeah? Literally, well, you know, we leave this thing, so this thing is
caught in this loop trying to boot up. I guess is what is happening when this thing goes through and they've got to manually remove this, and you know, it's time consuming for each one of these things, just multiplied out by all the computers that this has been put on. They can't do it evidently remotely because computer can't boot up, So it's got to be fixed at each and every one of these. You know, we talked about this before the blaster worm and things like that. We've got a history of this.
One person is going back to White two K. They said, this is what we feared about White two K, but it's really happened. And of course shortly after that there was a blaster worm as well. Right now, the blaster worm goes back to I think it was two thousand and three. It was an old Well once again, you know, it goes back to das they say, oh this is all in the windows, blah blah blah.
Basically this I forget which forget which blatform Windows platform it happened, but it breacked them up same way in two thousand and three, and I think it was XP windess XP That's what it was. And you know, everybody says, oh, it's how corrected, it's fixed this this, Well here
just said twenty one years later, it's back the same exploit. And the t people, a lot of them weren't even born or were watching Teletubbies in twenty three and they're they're getting a dose of something that's been around for twenty some odd years. Oh yeah, and everybody, this goes back to the backbone of windows. This is all doss related. People can argue with me and they can carry own and you know, it's like, that's fine, but if you know, I really truly know the architecture of windows, It's
forty something year old architecture. It's just been reskinned and asked, some various things added, but the crux of it, the backbone of it's same as it was nineteen eighty four, eighty five. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Well, well, let's talk a little bit about this. The conspiracy theories that are out there. We've got this has put out a mainstream media to cover up for this stuff, and it was pushed out by drudg report.
Online conspiracy theories abound after the major global IT crash, and it appeared. This is a company that I'd never seen their name before talking about this and Sabra c y A, b r A. Have you heard of them? It is a disinformation security company. So these are people. You know, we got people that want to make sure that we don't have any disinformation out there, But this is disinformation security company and they're focused on shutting down
these conspiracy theories before they travel around the world. Right, Well, good luck with that. Come on, come to me, disinformation company. I'll take you out of school. Yeah, I've never heard of them, but I don't pay attention to them because they basically aren't in on my radar. And if they want to make a run at me, I'm welcome to.
I'll show them some different disinformation. But I've sent you some direct connections I want you to follow up on because CrowdStrike is in a partnership with the WF and you know that the World Economic POOM is warning of mass cyber strikes. Yeah, and that was a couple of years ago. They're talking about cyber Polygon. I think wasn't it. I think it was twenty twenty two, if I'm not mistaken. But they're warning everybody else are yeah, oh yeah,
still talking about it. And so that is really the purpose of this news article was to anoculate the World Economic Forum, to give them immunity from these consira they all, you know, because people don't like the World Economic Forum. It's been the brunt of these these conspiracy theories. Well, it's because they've been talking about how this is what's going to happen, and then
it happens with a company that is connected deeply with them. It's the one that yes and crowd Well, it gets better though, WEF and crowd strike. It's easy to find. Just go to their website. Though. They will tell you that their partners with the w EEF and they are globally involved in elections with Now this is the good part, working partnership with the WF linked to Global Cyber Alliance. Now the misinformation guys you gave me, I'm
not even going to pay attention to them. The Global Cyber Alliance is what you need to research. Everybody's going to be listening to this Apaaltic Global Cyber Alliance. You've never heard of them, but they are part of the Wees and that's really interesting. Mm hmmm. Yeah. And this is a sorry
go ahead, well no, no, no, you go ahead. I just want everybody to focus on this global cyber alliance, focus on the Global cyber Alliance, and focus on the connections to elections, because that's really what this is about. I think we've got to go back to paper. I mean, it's just, you know, there's no perfect system, but when you go back to something that is physical like that, that keeps the it keeps away the global thieves that can break in everywhere and multiply multiply this.
You know, in the same way that what we're talking about in terms of doing the repair on this, it is difficult to get that done because you've got a limited number of people that can go out there and fix these different machines. And that's the very reason why you want to have paper elections. You know, you're going to have some crooked areas like Chicago. We're going to stuff the ballots regardless of what you do or what form they're in.
But what you do when you have a physical ballot like that. What you do is you make an obstacle for them that they can't be everywhere all at once and change all these things. But they can do that if it's computerized. Well it's interesting. Crowdstrikes part providing security for the United States elections on November fifth. What if these elections aren't going the way they see fit and they have another update and they brick the election machines. M Yeah, we
said, well that's impossible. Well look what they've just done. Yeah, oh no, I remember I've talked many times about what happened in Brazil with smart Manic. You know, that would start one of the first electronic machine companies at the time. It was started in Venezuela with some friends of Hugo Chavez to keep him in office. But they've had accusations of disruption and fraud and several states in Mexico and the Philippines, in Brazil, and in Brazil
you had exactly that scenario. You had this leftist who was really lagging behind the polls from all indications. She has booed off of the out of the stadium the day before the election football stadium, and she was losing significantly and then all the machines go down and then they're down for a while, and then when they come back up, she's switched positions with the other eye. And so yeah, it is very young for them to do that type of
thing with electronic machines. Well, let's stay for instance, yesterday, today's Saturday, it would be Friday, Arizona was having their early balloting for I don't know if what it was. It may have been primaries election of early voting. I don't know. They had that same event happen, yeah, righten them in of the elections. Yeah, boy, well yeah, yeah, sexploit. It's kind of like, you know, who watches the watchers?
Right? That's what was the problem is the problem with government is that we're not angels, as Madison said, Uh, but so we need to have government. But when we have government, who watches the government? Because there's made up of men who are not angels. And the same same thing happens when you talk about police or when you talk about cybersecurity. Who watches the watchers? How do we keep this thing under control? How do we
know that crowd strike that has been involved in the various things. Uh, just eight years ago at the Center of these these false claims about the election at the time, How do we know what they're doing? Are they an honest broker? They insinuated themselves pretty much everywhere they got evident. I didn't realize I had such a massive footprint globally. Well. The weird thing about all this is, Okay, they disrupted Arizona elections yesterday, this exploit time's
only five days after the attempted assassination of President Trump. Yeah, that's right. I mean, there's just too many coincidences to ignored here, wouldn't you think. And who watches the watchers there? Who watches the Secret Service to make sure they're actually doing their job, they're not setting things up. You know. It's another example. It's very much like that, except this is
the computer version of it. Yeah, and you know, if they want to send the cyber disinformation dudes after me, bring it, yeah, after both of us. It's that's why, you know, we have to call it the way we see it. It is extremely suspicious. Their connections to the World Economic Forum and their connections to the elections are very suspicious at the very least. You know, again, when you when you're looking at this situation, the shooting there in Pennsylvania. Trump you look at it in terms
of incompetence, and it's always these two things. Is it in competence or is it maliciousness? And when the competence or it could be both, Yeah, exactly because people can use that, that incompetence in a malicious way. Some people can use that, and so it's always difficult. What's that? Yeah, weapon nasty competence otherwise known as D I didn't earn it. Yeah,
that's right. Well, it certainly is interesting. And uh, we'll be following this an anything else that we haven't covered that you want to want to mention before we call it quits here. No, I mean that that's pretty much it. This is all documented and if your listeners want to take it upon themselves to go start doing some digging and research, you know they're
going to be surprised with what they find. Yeah, that's right. And another thing if we get this word apt to think about it is, even if this is actually what we think, shining light on this stuff always makes them alter their game plan or if everybody knows, well, if everybody knows what's uh, they suddenly are able to operate in the dark. And they may pivot off of whatever they have planned. That's right. If it's malice, you want to shine the light on it. If it's incompetent, you
want to shine the light on it. So you know, we look at this and it's like, is this incompetence or is it malice? Either way, we need to shine the light on it. And already, you know, we got the CEO of CrowdStrike is out there getting visibly angry with it because he's had I don't know how much the stock is down now and off hours trading and everything, but yesterday it lost a little over ten percent yesterday.
It probably keep going down if people still got their computers down. Uh, and we'll have a lot of computers down at the beginning of the week. Is going to continue to go into free fall. And I hope he's got a golden parachute because he may be defenestrated pretty soon, thrown out the windows. I hate to break that. I hate to admit I live like a winning room. I shorted him yesterday, So I hope he's trying crocodiles. There you go, that's the way to profit off of this stuff.
Uh. Well, you know they have short changed us, that's for sure, and that'd be a fair response to short their stocks. Created a lot of misery for a lot of people, and it was the cyber security thing
that actually did it. So it's we're seeing this over and over again, the structures that are there to protect us, and again as you and I talk about the incredible fragility of our infrastructure and how the more complex it gets, the more fragile it becomes, and the more vulnerable it becomes to somebody who is malicious. But with that complexity and then with the EI, the
whole thing, everybody needs to start shorting the infrastructure. And by that I mean going out and prepping for yourself and making sure that you're going to be okay if this House of Cards falls down because of fifteen characters. That's really what we're looking at right here. Well, that gentleman you had on yesterday with his Civil Defense books, Yeah, I don't know him, I've never read them. I think they would be a pretty good investment. Yes,
I'm thinking about. I mean, I've got my basis covers somewhat well, but I'm going to make an investment in getting some of his books. Yeah, yeah, Civil Defensemanuel dot com. As Jack Lawson, he's had a wealth of experience as a mercenary soldier and in the military, and then he knows people are special forces and so he had them talk about their areas of responsibility. So yeah, you can look at that. And he's got a
free chapter there about water because that's the principal thing. He can't go along without water. And we've got all of our water systems are now being hacked left and right all over the place as well. They can mess up the delivery, they can mess up the water itself in these systems. So as everything goes online, as everything becomes more and more complicated, it gets more and more vulnerable. And I guess that's the key takeaway and for people to
prepare for themselves. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Sorry, go ahead, okay, and you tell Jackie there's me a cup of coffee from promote this book. I'll do that. Yeah, thank you for coming on, Thank you for doing a Saturday with me. It's important to get this stuff out and people need to start paying attention to this. This is going to be a really wild ride I think between now and the election, and I don't think things are going to slow down after the election.
I think it's going to continue to escalate as we come to a close on this fourth turning. We've got another four years of it and I think we're going to have a lot of crazy things that are going to be happening. And it isn't really from our perspective. You know, we can look at it. Is it malicious or is it incompetence, But either way you've got to prepare for when this stuff goes down. So thank you for joining us scope tree and explain this stuff. Appreciate it my pleasure. David, hearing
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