All right. Joining us now is Tony Rdman and of why is Wolf Gold. Of course Tony has set up David Night not Gold to let him to take you to his website. Let him know that you're coming through me. Good to have Tony on because last week he was in Mexico speaking at a conference. Thanks for joining us, Tony. Tell us a little bit about that conference. Well, thanks for having me back, David. I had a great time. It was Anarcapoco in Acapoco, Mexico, the Dollar Vigilante
and Crypto Vigilante crowd. I sponsored the event. I was the only gold sponsor and I got to speak on Crypto Day, so I had forty minutes on Valentine's Day in the morning to speak and it went really well, you know, these are people that and again the theme to the Dollar Vigilante is surviving and thriving after the dollar collapse. And that's been Jeff Berwick, who's
the founder of that. That's been his mantra for years and years, and now we're really seeing and that's what I spoke about on Crypto Day, and I said, you know, golden crypto and silver precious metals, these go together because this is a we're creating a parallel system. You know, you have Gresham's law that states when bad money enters a system, good money goes
into hiding. And I think that's coming to fruition. You know, the good money's coming out of hiding because the bad money to enter the system is crashing the system itself. And so that's what I spoke about. You know, everywhere you look is d dollarization everywhere. Yeah, and it's accelerating. I was looking at a story this morning, just facts and figures. You
know, you look at the Russian economy. Two years ago, only one percent of financial transactions went on in the Chinese you want, now it's thirty four percent, and they completely abandoned the dollar. When I opened up my talk and Anarchopolco, I said, the first thing I said was when I was twenty three years old, I got to see a currency die in real time. I pay per currency, and you know Voltaire's maxim that all paper
currency eventually returns to its natural value state, which is zero. And that's looking at something happened to the Iraqi dinar, you know, And we were told the first mission I had in Mosul, when the Iraqi Republican guard fell was to go to the bank, and there wasn't any other orders other than try to find some semblance of security because everybody's running out with boxes of Iraqi dinar with Saddam Hussein's picture on them, but they were worthless. Nobody wanted
them. And I said, now, now think about this, folks. Twenty plus years later, I'm talking to you, and the Iraqi Parliament is making it illegal for you to transact in dollars, especially for major Iraqi banks. They are abandoning the dollar. What does that say because the only currency that you could use post US invasion in Iraq in two thousand and three upwards till the last, you know, a couple of years was American dollars. Yeah, think about how far that how far the US dollar has fallen in
the last twenty plus, twenty plus years. It's absolutely amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, I wonder you know how much one of the Iraqi notes with Saddam husse Haines pictron is compared to Confederate note with Jefferson Davis's picture on what's exchange rate for those two currencies that they've gone to zero except for a collect probably the Confederate. He's a collector's item, so you know, it's got somebody from that standpoint. But yeah, that's that's where it always goes.
But that truly is amazing because you know, Iraq is is really still heavily influenced with the US troops there and all the rest of that stuff, but they don't want to use the US dollar. Well, it's because, I think because of Iran's influence in the region, and now they're Shia based in
their governance. You know, Saddam Hussein was Sunni and of course the Sunni triangle and the Sunnia the minority, and now the Shia are the actual majority in Iraq, and I think that's what's happening, is the long term d dollarization and waning US geopolitical hegemony. You could just it's showing its face right there. Yeah, that's really all you need to know. And that's an important point too when you talk about the Shiahs and the Sunnis, and of
course we also got the hobbyists in Saudi Arabia. Islam is not this monolithic thing. It's got all these different factions and just like Christianity was in the Middle Ages, these different denominations if you will, of Islam are politically connected. You know that they have a unification, just like they did at the time in the Middle Ages, there was this you know connection politically as well as with the church, and it was really the politics. It was more
important than that was the religious aspect. And so that's that's where these these Islamic countries are right now. And people think of them as monolithic, but they're not, and they're they're fighting each other, not just us. Oh, absolutely non monolithic. It wasn't George W. Bush And said there's different
types of Muslims, like he couldn't believe it like that. It was actually I think it was Joe Biden when he maybe a moment of lucidity or a talking point from the think tank he said, I mean, this is like twenty plus years ago. He's like, well, maybe Iraq should be divided into three parts, you know, the Kurdish North soon he triangle in the middle, and then the rest is Shia. And I thought, well that might make sense if someone I've lived there for a year and that was you
know, different combat for a year there. So I know I know a decent amount about Iraqi history and culture. So yeah, it's not monolithic at all. But I think one of the things that unites them all across the Arab world, whether you're talking about Saudi Arabia or Iran is the dollarization. They're moving away from the dollar. The petro dollar is dying. Why this is not headline news all over the the financial network should be talking about this,
not the fang stocks. Yeah, I mean what importance is that if the dollar dies literally, you know that you have Saudi Arabia is bricks plus. Now that's official. This was theory a year ago where saying, well, you know, Saudi Arabia's and talks with Brazil, Shandia, China, South Africa, which was already forty percent of the world's population. Then you had Saudi Arabia is game over. Now we're still it's funny, We're just
we're in the shadow of the once dominating dollar and it's going away. And I'm that's my Really, everything I'm talking about lately is leading back to d dollarization. What happens afterwards, because I don't think that the horse has left the barn and only you can't do anything at this point, even David, I don't even know if World War III would bring the dollar back to its original dominant Yeah, so were you look at Saudi Arabia joining the bricks.
I mean, that's it right there, because they were really the lynch pin. You know, we had Saudi Arabia and he had Iran with a shaw and that was the US power within you know, the well production producing area and then tying that all to the US dollar and them buying US weapons and that type of thing. When Saudi's lead, because we were lost in ran a long time ago. But when the Saudias lead, that's it. That's really the Petro dollar right there. End of game. Yeah, that's all
she wrote. And then the dollars propped up by something called money velocity. And we spoke about this many times, but money velocities, basically, it's like the Ponzi scheme. When you quit using it, it's or maybe you could liken it to tinker Bell. If you don't clap, tinker Bell dies, and the same thing with the dollar. You don't use it, it dies, and you got you've got eighty percent of all the one hundred dollar bills ever made in physical form are not in the United States of America.
They're being used around the world. And that's when I saw, you know, as a young soldier, when I saw people just dumping the Iraqi dinar it's went to zero and using the American dollar. I thought, okay, well this is pretty universal. Now they're not using the dollar that's slowly going away. You have, there's a gold boom going on in China. They're not exporting. As a matter of fact, the Swiss the six year high on gold exports to India and China. So even in the midst of China's
real estate decline, its massive bubble and recession, they've overbuilt. Their currency is in real trouble, but they are buying gold, and while the rest
of the world sleeps, I don't think they realize what's happening well. And of course commercial real state issue that's there, but even beyond that, China was way overbuilt in other things, and the stock market getting very very shaky now with these big companies getting shaky like Evergrand and they imposed they basically just stopped a company that was selling too much stock too quickly because they're afraid that
the whole market there is going to collapse. That's how shaky it is in China, so they're putting all kinds of draconian restrictions on their stock market. There's an interesting article from International Man the number one warning sign that capital controls are coming soon. Just like the Chinese are putting controls on the stock market, we could have these capital controls happen here on cash and all the rest of this stuff. And as he points out, he said, sorry and
done in a lot of different countries. Argentina, Lebanon, Venezuela, Iceland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Russia, Ukraine, China, India, South Korea, and governments and countless other countries have done these capital controls and done it recently. And so what's the sign that is going to happen here in the United States? He said, The warning sign to look out for is when they say it's not going to happen. When they started, they started to talk about it and say, well, you know the capital,
so don't worry, it's not going to happen. That's when you've got to be concerned that it's going to happen real soon after that. Right, It's like the early seventies with price controls. Yeah, and took us off the gold standard in August nineteen seventy one, and then that followed with price controls because they had to figure out how to stop the runaway inflation. Gold went up two thousand percent in the nineteen seventies, but gold didn't go up in
value, so run that through. That's what. Actually, it's counterintuitive, folks. The gold gold is not going up necessarily. It's it's the dollar is going down. It's losing purchasing power. And you read off that list of countries, most of those economies, I say they are not doing well. I'm talking about Venezuela. They're selling off their gold holdings. We could
have so much debt has come to Argentina. Same thing with their currency imploating, so those measures don't work and free floating, re floating fiat currencies. There's fifty two times more currency on Earth today than when I was born forty four years ago. We have a massive systemic worldwide debt problem as well. These things are coming together and I think it's culminating. And what the IMF is even saying at Davos, you know, this the most headwind of an
economy since World War Two, which it's interesting. We're in a fourth turning. Isn't that interesting? Eighty plus years on, That's that's where we are. And so we're positioning yourself. And I see this even and this is a this is an open question. I asked this at Anarchapolco to the crowd, because these are crypto people. I said, well, most of the time, you know, I look at I'm pretty pessimistic about the ruling class
and what their views are. You had Larry Fink come out and say from Blackrock and say that that bitcoin is now a store of value in digital gold, which is a long way from where they were, you know, five years ago, basically saying that it's only used in illicit activities and money laundering and terrorism. And Warren Buffett said it was rat poison. Jamie demon Jamie Demons said he'd fire any trader that went now they all have ETFs. Yeah,
but it's interesting, something's afoot there. You know. I had Stewart anglered On, who wrote the book Rigged on the Golden Sober Markets and has dug into this for years and years about how they rig the Golden sober markets. His theory on the bitcoin ETF was that it was going to be used to suppress the price. But now we see, you know, gold or bitcoin at fifty one thousand and some change today, up thirty percent in the
last month. So there's there's something too that unprecedented historical activity in the currency market staved. Do you see a big finance moving away buying gold even again, even actors like Larry Fink saying that that bitcoin is digital gold in a store of value. So there's something there. It's an off ramp perhaps for the elite. We're still looking at that. Well, you know, I
guess maybe bitcoin was too honest for them. They had to come up with some kind of a devious derivative to attach on there before they could really double down on this thing and make it work for them. Maybe that's what it is. They're just waiting to roll out some kind of an ETF on top of it so they could manipulate it in that regard. You I don't I don't trust these guys, but it is kind of interesting to see how that is going back and forth. We've got are these any question? Yeah,
we got Do we have a question for Tony? Let's see, yes, because Tony had said, if you want to do we're doing, ask me anything questions here. If you want to ask him some questions, he'll take him on rumble we have. Sprumford says, even after endless pep talks, my bookcase continues to whimper at the site of Tony's. So you got a massive bookcase there. That's great. He likes your bookcase. Kareem. Thank
you for the tippy, said Tony. They just wanted you to clean up after the Israeli special forces team that already took the Iraqi gold from the vaults. There you go, good, Well, that's that's where the Israeli army was. I never saw any of his railings when I was over in the Middle East fighting for Apack. Yeah, that's right, let's see. I don't think these other questions are for Tony. But anyway, has any questions
for Tony, he certainly is willing to take him. You know, when we look at what happened with Argentina Javier Malai, which I have my I have some concerns about him, especially after he went to Davos, because that always it's a red flag on somebody for me. You can you can criticize Davos, you can criticize him to their I never went to Davos, but
I got blocked by Davos by the World Economic Forum on social media. I never addressed them directly, but you know, so you can, you can say things that get their ire up and that get noticed at least by them, if not by other people, without going there. And I always worry about people who physically go there. But he has focused, Like you said,
the central bank in Argentina was awful. He says, I don't like any central banks, but some of them are worse than others, and so he's shut down the pretty much their their thing and pegged it to the dollar. Their inflation tony has gone from one hundred and fifty percent to two and fifty percent. Did he pick the wrong central bank course to bet on?
There was a There was an article I read on my show about a month or so ago on lou rockwell dot com about Malay and he has ties to the IMF, ties to black Rock, and Argentina was moving into the bricks periphery, so did they There was this a coup to keep Argentina out of the bricks because that seems that's the trend, that's where the energy is going. And you know, like We've talked about many times, you know,
the weaponization of the US dollar, our actions. Not only that, it's not only just the weaponization, but our economy is weak and we're not making strategic decisions about production or wealth or any of those things. And I think the world knows that, looks at us and says, well, you're not doing well financially. You weaponize your currency. You know, there's forty different sanctions on thirty six different countries we're out, and Argentina was one of those.
And now you have this chainsall wielding guy. It sounds good. It sounds good on paper. He's an anarcho capitalist. You know, he talks about gold, He's flies the anarcho capitalist flag. It's gold and black. He's got all of that going for him. But there's just something it's almost too good to be true. So I'm skeptical and pegging yourself to that. There's so many other alternatives, you know, the ways you could go the
dollar, and you know, you and I have spoken about this. It's just again, it's about usage, and the math is not going to be there for you in the long run, maybe the short run. There's not many places to go right now, but again, two thousand and one, seventy five percent of all the global transactions and went on in dollars and now it's forty three percent and declining rapidly. So that's a trend you'd want to pay attention to. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. That gave me
red flags on the chains, all of the theatrics and stuff. And it's like, okay, well, I don't know the country. I know that that works, but I saw these games, these theatrics, the over the top criticism of other people and then coming around all the stuff, same type of thing that Trump did, then coming around and making friends with him, just like the World Economic Forum, as you point out, he's got these ties to the IMF. He was all over the Pope who was from Argentina
and a Marxist for sure, so he hated him. And it's like, okay, well he doesn't like the pope and then he converts to Judaism and anything. But then he goes to the Vatican and now they're all buddies there, so it's like, wait a minute, there's something really phony going on here. This is like Trump in twenty sixteen, you know, because you'd be in jail and then you fast forward after his inaugurations. She's a wonderful
person. Yeah, you know, and that's just you know. I had the privilege of being on air with G. Edward Griffin while I was producing for Don Jeffries about a year ago. And you get to talk to the wise old stage. I mean G. Edward Griffin, the author of the Creature from Jacky Island, and it's such an activist in John Birch Society and has been so far. He was so far ahead of his time, you
know. And he's in his nineties and he's so sharp. And I told him, I said, had the Creature from Jekyl Island and that was one of the reasons I'm in the gold and silver business. And we got we got onto a series of questions. I said, what's the one thing that you would warn the younger activists about and and and those who are are you know, fighting this this battle. What what would you warn us against? And he thought about it and he said, controlled opposition is the number one
threat. It's the people that look like they're for you and they're not. So you can guess where he is politically. Like that was that was his theme. He's like, bet you know it was a warning from it from the old stage, and I need to have it back on. But I think wiser words were never spoken. God, I'd love to get him on again. I talked to him once years ago. Uh, but he's right
about that. And if you go back and you look at what what was it, somebody like Gerald Griffin who knows the Marxists and knows how they set this stuff up, it was the Bolsheviks who set up the trust, that's what they called it. And they had they ran all the anti Bolshevik organizations were run by the Bolsheviks so that they would know they funded it. They you know, they did everything they could to promote this so they could draw
in all their opponents and know who they were. And we see this happening over and over again. That's why you look at Trump, you look at Aavi or Malaia, it's like it's definitely with Trump. Javier Malia's still kind of early days, but a lot of some signals that that's really I think
what is happening there. But getting back to the capital controls thing, I thought it was interesting because he said, you know, the first thing is you're going they're going to say that they're not going to do capital control, so when they actively deny, you know they're about to impose it. And so he says, so what do you do about this? And so he has a couple of things. So he says, have have a foreign bank account, have real estate in a foreign country. And I looked at these
first two things, I thought, that's exactly what Pfiser was doing. You know, when they when they when they went to Brazil and to Argentina and a third Latin American country which was not named by stat News, a pharmaceutical publication, they basically said, you're going to hold us harmless, not just for the vaccine itself, but also for negligence and manufacturing and shipping and all these other types of things, which was not anything that anybody else is doing.
But we want to have an insurance policy essentially on foreign assets assets, bank account assets, land and things like that that Argentina and Brazil and these other countries have in other countries, so that we can get to that stuff. And so, yeah, that is absolutely true. So there's anything that
we can really do about that. Most people, but he mentions then bitcoin, and then he mentions physical gold bullion coins These are really the fallbacks that we've got are to prepare ourselves against these capital controls are to have physical gold and to have bitcoin and things like that. That's really the only thing that we've got in terms of a financial aspect to make preparations for something like capital controls, isn't it. Yeah? Not ETFs, right on, Not ETFs.
They're actual heightting, not paper, not g l D, not SLV, and not whatever ETF is claiming that they're buying bitcoin. You need to have your wallet, your keys. It's really not hard to learn. And you talk about cryptocurrency. Bitcoin is the only crypto I'm buying right now, and that's because of its decentralization. It's not run by a company, it's not run by a country, and it has lasted. You know that, it's still it's still growing, the network's growing, the adoption is growing.
So I'm buying. I'm bullish on bitcoin. I'm not even really in the bitcoin business anymore. I was some of the first bitcoin ATMs in this country and I learned a lot from it. But really my mission right now is still precious metals, and that's gold and silver, no counterparty risk. That's the main physical gold and silver, no counterparty risk. And one of the things I was talking with it's very hard to move physical precious metals across boundaries.
That's why you see people eating in the jewelry. That's just always a good idea, I think, ways as you can travel with it. But when you're talking about a significant amount, you're looking at storage. And I will be announcing something soon on being able to store for people. I'm looking at a Texas location, possibly within this year, to do some legitimate secured storage for people that especially if they're going to be living outside the country.
Okay, well that's good, yeah, if they're outside the country. One of the things he cautions about is be careful about bank safe deposit boxes because it's gonna be one of the first places of all And we saw that happen in California where they went into that one area and the FBI stole all this stuff from everybody that I mean, you know, there's one or two people that might have been involved in criminal activity, but they got it from everybody
by going into the safety deposit boxes. It's just that's a difficult thing. I got a couple of questions here else. Start out with the funny one. Here, Billy the Kid Part two says, I just bought gold for the first time, Tony, I spent three thousand dollars and got me three pairs of Trump sneakers. Is there real gold in Trump's sneakers? I don't think there's either there's anything real about those, But I love that question. Here is a more serious question. I like that joke for Tony. Sprmford
says, Tony, what are your thoughts on silver versus gold? Is silver worth holding stack silver silver? Long term? It's the price. The word I would use is ridiculous because if you look at the price history nineteen eighty fifty two dollars and fifty cents an ounce. Now, what's the purchasing power of fifty two dollars and fifty cents in nineteen eighty versus today? It's it's probably like two hundred fifty dollars. It's it's the disparity there is insane.
I'm about to release an interview I had with Peter Kroud, who wrote the Great Silver Bull Book, and that we really dove into. Only is the price of silver manipulated? I mean, JP Morgan's been convicted of this. It's counterintuitive because most people don't pay attention because it's a price manipulation to suppress it. Now why is that? And who is the largest holder of silver in the world. Oh, it's JP Morgan. So they're buying physical silver.
And that's the thing is you're talking about hundreds of millions of ounces in deficits now for the demand versus the production. So the recycling and I've discussed this on my interview with Peter. Most of the silver it's in landfills because it wasn't worth getting out of the electronic components that gets thrown away. Only about twenty percent of the silver that hits the market is from silver mines.
The rest of it's just found in either recycling from jewelry and other places, or found in gold mining copper mining, and they just well that's extra, so they set it aside. There is not a lot of silver mining going on, so while the price is suppressed, it's it's too cheap to even
go get it, So there's going to be a reckoning. And I've i have seen intel that a lot of the big banks have stopped their shorts on silver, which is they normally short it, and a lot of them are pulling those shorts, and so I think I think there's going to be in the next year or so. Again, non investment advice has nothing to do with investments. Just watch this because I think it's going to become less and
less available, and there's not. There's not. Even after the markets corrected some and it's stabilized a bit, I still don't even see the amount of availability that I saw in twenty nineteen. It's we're not even close to that. So there's something if a whale right now that there was it was two or three whales that wanted to come in and buy up the silver. They couldn't place the orders. We know that in the in the physical precious metals
business, you can't lock those trades. So I would I would say get physical silver and stack it for the long term because it's way out of even the gold. The golden silver ratio historically is something that you need to pay attention to as well, because it's always been either ten to one or at the highest, twenty to one. We're at eighty seven to one. That's during the height of the scandemic, one hundred and twenty five to one at
one time in the first quarter of twenty twenty. So that disparity something is a reckoning coming in the price of silver. I don't know what win, but it will happen. Mass eventually kicks in. And when you say, it's kind intuitive that they're getting this to depress the price. But we've seen
that type of thing happen before. I remember when the real estate market started collapsing, and it's like, so, what's their game on this, Because all of a sudden, I remember we had a neighbor who refinanced their house and they got a really really low interest rate, their payments went down, they got cash out of it and all the rest of the stuff, and
we looked at it's like, well, maybe we should do that. All of a sudden, within a week, the interest rates just jumped and they said, well, it's something that happened in California now spreading all over the country. And it's like, well, I don't know, but you know, why would they do this. Well, we see why they did it.
They depressed the price of housing and they bought into it. And they do this they create just like the you know, the warnings about the creation of the Federal Reserve, so they'll create bull and bear markets, and they will profit when it goes up and profit when it goes down. And so when they start depressing stuff like this excessively, you know that they're playing a
longer game and they're going to do something too. On the other on the other side of it, they are going to artificially increase it probably as well. We got another couple of questions here, I think for you, Tony, what states can your paper goldbacks be used in? Well, there's there's even in states where they're not used officially. In those states, you could
there's locations you can find that on the goldback websites. But there's Idaho, there's Wyoming, New Hampshire, Utah, just just to name a few, and there's others and we're getting more in the more access to those in the coming months. Yeah, you can look and you can actually find locations like me, I accept gold backs. You can use gold backs wise Wolfs or
eat both in my Texas location and Branson. Yeah, and there's individuals so yeah, you can go on their website and there's a list of companies and locations. So it's really all over the country, not just those states. That's why somebody asked me that question the other day, and I said, well, you know, when I was talking to Aaron Day, he wrote a book about CBDC and he's talking about that and he's he's very heavily into
bitcoin, gold and silver. But he said, I give people these these gold paper notes and I'll give them a little sheet, you know, leave it as a tip. When I'm at a restaurant, I'll give them a sheet and tell them what this is. And that's the key thing. You know, whatever it is, it's a medium of exchange. And you know, for the most part of the people, if they buy into it, you're good. It doesn't have to be something that is officially recognized at the
state level. It just has to be recognized by the person that you want to buy something from. And if they understand what this is then and you may need to educate them on that, but if they understand what it is, you're fine with that. And so that's the key thing about all of this stuff. And you know, we have they're going to try to pull on the other side. You're already starting to see some trends like we see in the UK and other countries would say we're not going to accept cash we're
not going to accept paper money from the Federal Reserve. Even though it says on it this is legal tender for all debts public and private and that type of thing. They can just say no, I don't want to take it. Well, legally they have to take that, I believe, but they don't legally have to take anything else from you. I mean, you could have a goal bar there that you want to give them for, you know, a stick of gum, and they don't have to take that, you
know, like they would have to take the paper money. But if they know what the value of it is, they would certainly accept something that is way out of a lot more valuable than what it is that you're trying to change from. So it's just that there has to be a you know,
a give and take there in terms of making it legal tender. You know, even though gold and silver is recognized in the Constitution and referenced, you know, still have people that might say, well, I don't want to take the gold, or I don't want to take the silver or whatever. So it's just one of those things. But I think that it's what I like about it is the fact that it is it breaks down the gold in terms of a small enough unit that you can actually do something with it,
and if things hit then it'll really get popular. I think I have watched them grow in popularity. It's surprised me over the last five years. When I started my business six years ago, there I almost had no business done in goalbacks and nobody asked for them. I get requests all the time, and I finally just said, every membership level in wolf Pack, even the wolf cub every month gets goldbacks. Everybody gets gold backs because people like them
and think you're right. They're divisible, they're recognizable, they're twenty four carrot gold. You can't go wrong with them. I just you know, if you've got Even if you can't spin them right now, I promise you eventually you will be able to. There's more and more adoption every single day. I mean people, and we've talked about this because of inflation. People are starting to pay attention to the currency again, and it's not getting better.
It's not going to get better. The price of groceries is through the roof. They even had a couple of weeks ago on MSNBC or something like that and they said, well, the price of TVs is stabilizing. The price of electronics is going down somewhat, and used cars is going down, but food keeps going up, and we can't figure out why. Well, the economy's bad and people are buying the TVs or the electronics as much. There isn't as much demand. It's economics one oh one. But people still need
to eat. So that's where all the inflation is at right now. So this is something that's it's not going to get better. So goldbacks, fractional silver, fractional gold, these are all really great things to have in the parallel economy that it's forming itself. I mean, really it's becoming, it's organic, it's building itself at this point. That's right, that's right. Because of the dolls. They got to comment along those lines from the dude
seven to seven eight one. He said, when the shelves of the store are empty, a can of tuna then becomes worth far more than any lump of gold or paper with some dead guy's picture on. And that's really, you know, when we look at it, it is it's relative to whatever the current situation is. If you get to those kind of a dire straits where you know, people are starving. Then it's going to come back down to the can of food. It's going to come down to the to the
lead that you've accumulated in terms of ammunition and things like that. That's what it's going to evolve to. But you know, we're looking at a situation where if we go in something that that I've been through, you've been through as well. What we saw in the nineteen seventies rat the disruption that comes from inflation is just so incredibly you know, difficult and to live through. And I've seen that happen. I've seen what it does to everything when inflation
picks up like that. So that's one aspect of it. The second aspect of it, of course, is the de dollarization. We've never gone through anything like that in our lifetime. We've always had the dollar be the king of all currencies, so we've never seen what that's going to look like. But then the third thing is the CBDC, and the CBDC types of controls could be put there without a completely grid down, you know, apocalyptic scenario
where we're all fighting over food. The CBDC scenario could be imposed before that happens, And to me, that's really what, you know, setting some money aside in gold and silver, and the people want to do it bitcoin.
That's that's what that's really about, is a hedge against the CBDC types of surveillance in control where they still have the ability to get food, but they're just going to keep you out of the system, and you've got to have some kind of parallel underground economy, gray market or even black market. That's where these things are going to come in to play. I think, well, I agree with the assessment on the can of tuna. Robert Kisoki tweeted that out a year ago, saying, you know that again, you
can't eat gold and silver. Even he said that you can't eat gold and silver, and I can't eat tuna. I can't. That's gonna have to be something else besides tuna. For me. What gold and silver and bitcoin are or a bet that civilization will continue. Yeah, and without civilization, you know, monetary exchange units aren't relevant, food is relevant, water's irrelevant. The way to protect yourself is more relevant. So it really just depends
on the degree of what kind of dystopia we're walking into. So, you know, would that surprise me if there was no economy. Probably not for everything I know about history, but I think that you know, you're right this any sort of pause in what we deem as normal we have normalcy bias. Any sort of pause or disruption in that will be where they insert at the central bank digital currency. That that threat has not gone away. It
still trickles down into our news feeds. They're still working on it, you know, whether it's the IMF with their un coin or the Bank of International Settlements the Unified System. They want to create the top down CBDC control system that's being implemented. So it's something they just need a crisis, and it'll
be by the way, we've got your wallet. We've already got you fifty you know, just do a Hail Satan and scan your biometrics and we'll give you your Central Bank digital you can go buy groceries again, and you're an approved citizen and you're essential. You know, all this language will be used
again. So that hasn't gone away. So the fight for us to create parallel systems or like pathne Austin Fitz has been talking about with sovereign state banks, and you know, we have so much on the horizon that's good news. But you don't for a second think that they have stopped their plans to
create that that top down to palitarian control grid with the CBD say. Yeah, as you point out, they've got all these different ones unicoin World Coin, I mean, and all these different central banks have got all their different coins. And as you see them saying with the World Economic Form, what we got to and at the EU, we got to have these things interoperable
with each other. That's the key. They're all designing all their own unique things, and they'll be out there just like you can get a one ounce gold coin and it'll have you know, maybe you get a Vienna's coin, it's got you know, an orchestra with the stuff on there. You've got American gold Eagle or a Kruger Ran or whatever. They've all got their little
stamp on it. But it's all essentially the same thing. So they're going to have there, just like they got different gold coins that they meant, they're going to have these different cbdc's, but they're all going to be interoperable with each other. And so they're just they're creating this infrastructure. It's pretty much already in place. It just got to pull the trigger and unify it all. That's what we've got to be concerned about. Another couple of questions
here. Actually this is a comment and a tip. Thank you, Guard, appreciate that he So it's not that the old weather here in uh in New in the New Hampshire studio inspires my thought. But I wonder if Tony got info in Mexico regarding freedom lovers who are trying to leave the US and where they're headed. If so, what about lots of lots of expats And they had a whole system there at Anarcapoco and through the dollar of Vigilante. You go check out their website. They've got people that can help you,
you know, relocated. You're looking at other countries that are well possibly friendly to you know, former US citizens or dual citizens, and you know, whether it's Mexico or Panama or Nicaragua. I've met a lot of people there that had moved out and they're spending most of their time in in in South America and other places. So you know, do that research for yourself.
It's funny. Almost everywhere I go I meet people that know Guard too, And I was that's what I was in Arcapoco and I was like, you know, one of a mutual friend now and I said, I'm talking to Carla. He goes, oh, tell Carla. I said, hi, you know, from New Hampshire. And so it's interesting you just meet people and people know Guard. You know, it's a his reputation is magnificent internationally. Guard. I meet people, you know Guard Goldsmith. Absolutely, he's
one of the greatest guys. So smart, yes, yeah, well diserved, he definitely deserves that recognition, and they're wise to listen to him. Yeah, you know, I had that experience. Karen and I went and I think it was nineteen ninety eight, my mom and died. She'd had a stroke. We were taking care of her, and after she died, we thought, well, you know, we need to think about And I'd been thinking about leaving the country ever since there was the Ruby Ridge in Waco.
I thought, yeah, you know, I think we've We've across the rubicon here for sure. So we went to New Zealand to take a look at living there. Actually set up a bank account temporarily there for a while to close that now. But the I looked at it seriously and I just you know, of course, I met with some people that were there that were also livery lovers, and and so we had this discussion about who had it the worst. I think they convinced me that America wasn't as far along
as New Zealand was. But just even then, you know, when I was thirty something, it was, it was still I was too attached to America really to leave it. So I thought, well, might as well just fight it out here. So that's where I was why I'm not an expat. Another question for Tony here from Sprungford on Rumbley says, thanks Tony for the silver advice. Any preference for large bars versus American Eagles other than
it's obviously a better deal to buy bars. My advice to my customers is always get the amount of ounces closer to how much the dollar units you have. American Eagles, the premiums on them, I don't agree with those premiums. Now you're still getting silver cheap. I mean, it's probably thirty one
dollars an ounce for an American Eagle today, and I haven't checked. That's probably retail around thirty thirty one, while you could stack you know, one hundred dollars silver bars for around twenty five twenty five and a half, So you really need to take a look at how many ounces you get to because that's what's going to be most important now in your trading ability. Fractional pre nineteen sixty five silver is a really good thing to have if you join wolf
Pack. We do a lot of the tenth ounce pieces. I was actually putting tenth ounce sovereign silver Britannias that'll be coming up in the next series of wolf Pack packages. I just bought about five thousand of those, so we're going to be putting those in the orders soon. So we do a lot of fractional there. So if you've got tradable silver, that's the first thing you're going to want is tradable silver. American eagles are fine if you can
get a good deal. But after that, when you've when you've reached a point where I've got all my tradable silver that I'm probably going to need for an emergency or for a while to spend, you know, if there's a problem with the dollar or a currency run on the dollar, a currency collapse. After that, stack the ounce and one of the best ways to do that is just get a recognizable. Bullyon bar. Kilo and up is probably the best deal. Kilogram bars are a good deal all the way up to
one hundred downs bars always a good deal. Yeah, I've got the money for a hundred dowuns bar. That's a good You're doing pretty good there. That's good to know. It's been great to have you on. I don't have any more questions here for you from the listeners, but and I know you've got to get going because I usually do about a half hour work about one and a half times that. So thank you so much for coming on,
Tony. Always interesting to talk to you. And before we go anything else, you want to tell people about what is happening at wolf Pack and with Wisewolf. Well, first of all, always a pleasure to talk to you, David, and it's an honor to sponsor this program. And I know how I heard the first part of the show and you talked about radio, and you and I will talk soon. We've got Freeworld dot FM. We're still working on launching and I want to include you on that. And
I know that off it's tough to run broadcast. I run your broadcast a short short bursts and it's exhausting. I love doing it, but I know how much it takes out of you and how much you're giving to the audience. So we'll definitely discuss that wolf Pack is growing. We're doing our best to find interesting products and find good deals. I looked at the latest invoices.
You know, if you look at your savings, I want people to pay it when you get the new invoices in check out the savings because I'm meticulously going through product when I buy it and to see what I can what I can do to save people money, especially with shipping and credit card fees
and all that, and it's generally significant. I have bought in the last couple of weeks close to five thousand ounces of Canadian silver maple leaves that are brilliant uncirculated with still the boxes isn't opened yet, So you're getting a lot of great stuff in wolf Pack and saving money that helps support David. You can go to Davidnight dot goal check out the tabasas joined wolf Pack and the deals that are coming. We work on the website all that good stuff,
and my two physical locations are there to serve people. You can do one time purchases four oh one k rollovers, I RaSE all that stuff and we're just working on better faster shipments and better customer services always. And thank you again for having me on. Well, thank you and thank you for supporting us. And it really is a great idea what you've got in terms of group buying and being able to do it in small quantities and on a regular
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