Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the David Night Show. As the clock strikes thirteen. It's Friday, the twenty ninth of December. You're of our Lord two thousand and twenty three. Well, I'm Tony Arderburn. I'm filling in for the great David Knight. I am joined by the legendary Guard Goldsmith. Thanks for having me. We've got a great show lined
up for you. We've got Guard here in the first hour, Don Jeffries in the second, and a very special third hour, Charlie Robinson, Mister Anderson, Billy Ray Valentine and talk about a new phenomenon of jen Zers looking up to Issama bin Laden. They like Tim Osmond. Can you believe it? Guard? It's one heck of us? Cell Well, what an absolute honor. The final David Knight Show for the year. We're closing in strong, giving David time off, which he I don't know how he does it.
If you've ever filled it, Guard, you're a veteran now of hosting this show. And does that just give you all the more respect for what David does. I've started filling in in twenty nineteen. It does not get easier, my friend. I mean, I know, it's amazing both vets now, yeah, yeah, Tony, And it's great to see you. Happy New Year early, and thanks for being such a stalwart anchor during twenty
twenty three in my life and also on your own programs. And when you fill in for David and join David on Thursdays at usually at ten thirty in the morning Eastern time. And that's not to plug, but boy, praising
David Knight is not sufficient the work that he does. As you know, the burden that you feel for the audience is I think only paralleled or matched by the burden that you feel because you're so honored to fill in for David, who does such astounding work that you want to step You've got to step it up, You've got to do an amazing job. Well, I think having you on helps to expand the intelligence quotion of the show. For sure. I'm glad you're here in the first hour. And again we've got a
great show lined up for you. Final show of the year, for the David Knight Show. We're gonna close strong with a round table panel. Hey, do you want to do the third hour? You welcome to come back or just stay on the line. I don't whatever you'd like, Gardening. Those people are all great heroes of mine. I'd love to stop by, say hello, wish him happy New Year, and of course let them know
that the IRS agents will be stopping by this year eighty seven thousand. Yeah, you know they're gonna come before the FBI because of course these guys might be concerned parents hanging around outside of their school board meeting and that's evil. Or they could be Catholics, so that's evil too. Well, they're from the government and they're here to help. Oh goodness, Well, I've got Gardener. We're talking off air, and by the way, we're streaming live
on freeworld dot fm. That's the the the group project between myself and Billy Ray Valentine and Don Jeffries and others. Garb will be joining us there. We got a lot of great hosts. It's a it's another lifeboat we made for free speech. So if you're you're hearing about this, David will be streaming live. They're very soon and working out some of the technical issues.
But Freeworld dot fm is picking up the show, so I wanted to shout that out as well, and I will be paying attention to the rockfinchat to hear on David's channel. For sure, I'll periodically kind of go back and forth. If you've got comments and questions or anything you want to throw into the Rockfinn Chat, You're certainly welcome to do that. Guard and I were talking off air, and you know, this is another aspect of why I
respect David so much. You have to choose in in this era, or as David will say, error in this era, you have to you look around and say, Okay, what's what are the headlines that me the most? What what can I glean Because I got you know, only got three hours. It seems like it seems like a long time. But when you're talking about this massive amount of news coverage and information, what's what? What are some of the themes? And that's kind of what I'd do with my
show. And Guard and I were talking off air, and I said, now, did you see the story about how Russia and Iran uh formerly and we've they've been doing this for a while, but backing away they've dumped the dollar and Guard says yes, and he goes and then I saw where Lindsey Graham called for the bombing of Iran, and I said, aha, I did the same thing. I put it together. The stories are right next to each other. I mean, it's so predictable. Now, let's let's
pull up this headline. I want to talk a little bit about this. And yeah, and and hats off to the anti war people. They do a great job at at anti war dot com. Boy, absolutely, I don't. I need to to get better at sending them some donations. I've used anti war dot com for years and years after I started reading Pap Buchanan. Les can pull this up. Here's here's the story here to standby. You know, Russia Iran finally dumped the US dollar for good. And this
is off MSN dot com. In a bold move that shakes the foundations of international trade, Russia and Iran have officially turned their backs on the US dollar. This decision, a strategic pivot towards utilizing local currencies in their bilateral trade, marks a significant shift in the global economic landscape. The move not only challenges the dollar's dominance, but signals a deeper integration within the Bricks Alliance as Iran prepares to join its ranks. In twenty twenty four, Gee nobody could
have seen that coming. Oh no, I mean, are you know, forty different sanctions on thirty six different countries weaponizing the dollar. You know, we we abandoned the Breton Woods system. Oh we we didn't break our word, did we guard you know, having Richard Nixon take us off the gold standard in nineteen seventy one, that didn't completely disrupt the new economic world order,
you know, from nineteen forty four onwards. No, right, of course, they were deceptively sort of breaking their word from the moment that fed began, because they were, you know, surreptitiously issuing going into fractional reserve banking, and they weren't telling people that they only had a fraction of what they could have promised to people if they wanted to redeem their dollars for the percentage of gold that they promised, right up to the point where Nixon said,
Okay, yeah, a lot of foreigners have been buying our gold, so don't tell anybody, but we've already lost a lot of the United States held gold at Fort Knox. So yeah, it looks like we're pretty much going to have to go off this fictitious dollar connection to announce of gold, because that was one of the reasons why they said, well, you know, once we allow people to own gold again, guess what, people are not going to want to hold on to that dollar that they keep pumping out.
They can't keep pumping out the goal the way they pump out the dollars, so it gets which one is going to lose its value, and that's what they do. And of course they have incentive to do that because they can only tax so high to keep funding their welfare pig sty and then they
can so they have to borrow. And the only way they can facilitate their borrowing is of course by getting the Federal Reserve to buy their bonds and create more money by doing so, which is destructive to the productive capacity of every human being out there. Well yeah, and there's so many factors to what
the term is called d dollarization, and that's one. It's a theme that I talk about all the time on my programs anytimes I'm a guest anywhere, because it's the historical implications of what's going on not being picked up by the mainstream media. It's going to be like something we've never actually ever experienced in history, because we have never lost the world's reserve currency status as the American people, you know, in nineteen forty four, as you know, Guarded,
they set up the Breton Woods system. You've mentioned you've been to the Breton Woods, the hotel there where they met. Yeah, my brother had his wedding there. Yeah, that's right. And they set up the IMF. They set gold at thirty five dollars and an ounce. It became the world's reserve currency and that lasted until that system lasted until nineteen seventy one. And one of the you know, the themes going on through the sixties was
the debasing of our coinage. You know, the nineteen sixty four was the last time that we had silver in our half dollars, quarters, and dimes and dollars from the US meant other countries took notice. As a matter of fact, I was talking yesterday to a friend of mine, mister Anderson, and I said, you know that the Gaul, the president of France, sent his warships over in the late nineteen sixties to pick up the gold because
other countries they wanted those dollars redeemable in gold. And this is interesting because I was talking to guard off Air. I bought yesterday from a customer. I don't usually buy notes, but this one and there's another one i'll talk about later, a five dollar bill. This is a twenty dollars bill from nineteen fifty. Okay, I know you can't really see it on the camera's not I can't reach that far, but it's a it's a nineteen fifty twenty
dollars bill. And uh, let's see if I need I need a magnifying glass. Really, but there's some fine print on this bill that you won't see on a modern Federal Reserve note. Twenty dollars bill, And if you'll bear with me, I'll see if I can read it. And of course it says this note is legal tender, you know, and is can be clear clearing all debts public and private, and is redeemable. This is the
key is redeemable in lawful money, otherwise known as gold. Specie currency the gold right, right right, And of course the difference between specie and fiat. If people aren't familiar, Specie is hard currency, gold, silver, some other recognizable long term commodity that people find of common value, and fiat currency is that which is imposed on us by government. Fiat and you're right. You know, the interesting thing, Tony is you had that happening and
people were aware of it. When Roosevelt called for people to turn in their gold, my mom told me my grandfather, who had only a sixth grade education, ended up owning a company with you know, three plants. He actually owned the very tip of Montauk Point on Long Island, and they had to sell it. It's worth like, you know, ten million dollars now or something like that, but they had to sell it. So he had been a very successful guy. He didn't turn his gold in. He's like,
no way am I turning my gold into that criminal. And over the years, of course, the imbalance grows and grows between they're issuing in the paper currency and what people can actually redeem. Because if they wanted to redeem that, say in nineteen fifty five, they would they might it wouldn't they
would have been issuing more of those slips. So if people, if all the people who had those slips wanted to redeem them in nineteen fifty there'd be a higher chance that the US Mint, the US Government, the Federal Reserve, could the Federal Reserve could exchange it for what they promised they could exchange it for As the years go by, more people have those things, but they don't actually represent the same percentage. Now it's a smaller percent. More
people have them, they go to turn them in. Sorry, we sold out. It's gone. And then Nixon, as you say, breaks in at the what was it the close of Bonanza or during Bonanza in the seventies. It breaks in August fifteenth, nineteen seventy one, interrupts an episode of Bonanza and takes us off the closes the gold window used the word temporary fifty plus years ago. Well, the interesting thing about this guard is this this is a redeemable and lawful money. So what it's saying is this isn't money,
right, This is a certificate. Right. This is a certificate so you can obtain lawful money and how. And the cruel joke about this is in nineteen fifty you couldn't get as a private citizen, you couldn't get this redeemable in goal. This was for the other countries that use the dollar.
That's what this was great point. And you know they should point out that that sort of draws that distinction between statute and constitution and statute and natural law those you know, the items that we agree to ourselves personally as human beings, as something that we recognize as something with value, and we make a contract to make an agreement that's based on natural law. That's the respect under God an agreement. We don't lie, we don't cheat, we don't steal,
statute of course, certain by the state. Between those on the constitutional level. People often will use the term lawful when they are sliding something in nowadays to say, well, is it lawful? They're implying constitutional, but
they don't really mean it. But that actually does mean constitutional, because the constitution only permits the federal government, not something that's granted a monopoly by the government called the Federal Reserve, and only grants the federal government the ability to coin money and affix the value thereof, and it's not even supposed to be the exclusive money. That's one of the things Ron Paul has brought up.
Anybody who's interested in free banking and understanding how to stop the inflationary process is get it completely away from any political hands, because they're the ones who are incentivized to use the statues to say this is all you can deal with and then just keep creating it to pay off all these people that they gave promises
to so they can get votes. If we had a private banking system and the banks were holding their own stores of gold or silver and they wanted to issue redemption slips that they might call whatever, you know, bank A dollar or bank B dollar, whatever, then we could compare and say, excuse me, can I check your stocks? Are you operating on fractional reserve?
Do you have enough that if you have issued these papers? My friends, if I give them this, they will know that they can go in and get that solid, real money, that so called lawful money, whether or not it's under the constitution you want to think of it as the constitution or is just personal person? Am I ripping them off if I give them this? Or will they get the money? And then if the banks say sorry, we don't want to show you, well, then we wouldn't go to
the banks, and my friends wouldn't take that money. Well, right, And it's a trust issue, And that's what's the crux of the dollarization is not only the sanctions. And we were talking about Iran in Russia and this has been going on a long time in Russia. In the last eighteen months has called US dollar candy wrappers. That's from their finance minister. They stopped
using dollars. They've they've done all kinds of deals with direct uh, you know, country to country, using gold, using the Chinese you want uh, you know, trading crewd for for discount, you know, if it's paid for, and rubles. I mean, they've just they've gone around the swift system and these other bricks are on on the on the rise. We were talking about the massive decline in the use of the dollar, which is
called money velocity. Now I want to you know, it'd be great if we could run a simulation to see what would Lindsey Graham be doing if fiant currency didn't exist, If if we didn't have a fake dollar, would we have fake people like Lindsey Graham in in the halls of power? Would he would he be a factor without unlimited fiat currency. I tend to think that people like Lindsay Graham would not be on the world stage. He would not be in the United States Senate, no way. He'd probably be trying out
for an off Broadway production of Gomer Pile or something like that. Maybe Pirates append Zance that you took it. There is he gonna be in the South Pacific. He's gonna do Lady Lindsay. And you know what's pretty funny, Tony is I don't have to go to the share screen thing, but on my screen I have the exact same article. You and I are thinking like
our minds are connected. It's just amazing how this system, especially the United States United States inflationary systems starting with World War One on the central banking system has facilitated all so much of the United States military around the world. And if you look at the fallouts to that, whether it's through the military industrial complex that lockeyed Martins, the Boeings of the world, the baes that grow so big, and then the secondary effects from that, which is the feedback
loop. Going back to politicians I've mentioned before, former Senator United States Senator from New Hampshire, Kelly Ayat, she got bumped out and all of a sudden she gets put on the board of Boeing. At the same time she's on the board of Boeing, she's on the board of Fox News. Where is she appearing on Fox News talking about how more weapons should go to Ukraine? And now she's running for governor of New Hampshire. So this system becomes
very corrupt. But even the local people they might not even realize. And you were in the military, you know, I'm sure you recognize this as well. The vast expansion of the military influence in the United States, the military corporate fascist ties go all the way to the base closures, and how angry so many people were when they were trying to close some of the bases. Not my backyard, this is our jobs. So it becomes very intractable
when you have this sort of inflated system. And right now the shakedown is starting, you know, just like at the end of Wizard of Oz when the Wizard says liquidated arra very resourceful of you. Well, there are two signals there. First, you've got to liquidate assets that are up too high
and there's been malinvestment in this case, in the war machine. And the second one is you've got to allow the prices to reflect the real value of those resources based on the choices of the market of the people in it.
Well, since the United States population sort of assumes that it's a very important role for the United States to defend the United States, the United States government to engage in defense, and they use that as a smoke stream to engage in offense and payoffs all over the world, opening bases all over the planet, surrounding Iran with bases. Evidently, that's that's the sort of ring that
Linds Lindsey Graham really likes, a ring of bases around foreign nations. So many people get inculcated in this idea of well, if you stand against that, you're against the troops. Well, maybe our perception of the United States and the way that the Monroe doctrine has been warped and expanded over the past one hundred and fifty two hundred years, maybe that ought to be readjusted.
And part of this now with the bricks nations shaking things out, I think we're going to see tremendous push As you see right there on the screen you brought it up. People like Lindsay Graham and the warhawks, They're going to come up with any excuse or rationale they can to try to gin up even more war. And they're they're targeting. They're going to target Syria and they're going to target Iran big time. Well seven countries in five years. Yeah,
Yeah. Absolutely, Ark just happened to walk in on that at the at the Pentagon Post Post nine to eleven. And this anti war dot com senator Lends Graham calls for the US to blow parts of Iran quote off the map. This reminds me a lot of John McCain's bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb
RAA two thousand and seven. Absolutely. John McCain, by the way, the man of whom I have photographs shaking hands with ole Tianibach, the admitted Nazi of Ukraine as they were arranging the new government with Victoria Neulan and Jeffrey Pyatt on the phone in their famous f the EU Phone Conversation from early twenty fourteen while they were getting Hunter Biden put in eparisma after the Midan kup in late twenty thirteen, in which the United States and NATO NATO forces were intimately
involved to make it look like the government of Ukraine shot on its own people, which they did not. It was Western NATO forces overturning the elected president there because he was too close to Russia and they wanted to isolate Russia. Why partially because Russia dropped its long term investments in bonds starting in two thousand and nine as the American Recovery Act blew up the money supply even more under Obama and something that is also tied to, as you mentioned France at that
time. You know, you recently reunited Germany asked for their goldback and the Federal Reserve said, oh, we can't give it to you. It took them years to finally admit, like, well, yeah, maybe we'll give
it to you. In dribs and drabs, so we can see very clearly what has been going on with the people who are telling us they're fighting for freedom or that they love Jewish people right because their type of mindset, Lindsey Graham will not tell you that he was shaking hands and putting his arm around a Nazi from the Slova Da Party. People can look it up. His name is Tiannibac with a ty Tianni Bac, and he's in multiple photographs with
Joe Biden as well and Amy Klobashar. They all met together, they were all there, They were photographs on stage with that guy. They all have these justifications, guessing in their own their own minds or what's left of their soul. You know, they compromised so many times they don't even exist anymore, you know. But remember, if you criticize them, you are by proxy criticizing Israel, the state of Israel, and therefore you're anti Semitic.
These people who were meeting with Neo Nazis in Ukraine will tell you that, right. Yeah, they used the most ridiculous arguments to shield themselves from criticism. And you mentioned earlier about well, you're not supporting the troops. Well, I was a troop. I would have I would have loved it if we had a an America to first foreign policy. You mentioned them in Roe doctrine. That to me is my foreign policy. Don't colonize the hemisphere, stay out of our affairs, you know, peace, peace, commerce,
and honest friendship. I'm more with that. Thomas Jefferson felt, I think he knew what he was talking about. Or John Quincy Adams saying that America was not designed to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. I'm with John Quincy Adams. I'm not with Lindsey Graham. I'm not I'm not with these psychopaths. This this is, this is, this leads to cataclysm.
You talk about, you know a lot of times Guard. I read a lot of history, and I'm fascinated by it's in some of the history you read, like World War One, you have these statesmen that were very smart, spoke several languages, were skilled, and diplomacy and real politique, all that stuff. They couldn't stop World War One. Even the Kaiser, if you read about the Kaiser, couldn't figure out they had the von Schliefen Plan. Once it was enacted, they started crossing in the borders of Belgium.
He tried to turn it off. He couldn't even turn off his own war machine. And these were smart people. You fast forward, now we've got nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological AI, all of this, all this, these terrible things. And you have Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden, or you have a Speaker of the House, you have my job. You have these these brain dead and soulless really in a lot of ways, just void of any humanity in charge of things, and they're just blundering their way into
cataclysm. It looks like, and this is a one of these headlines, Guard that really you know, and again we follow the line of you know, Russia, Iran dumping the dollar officially this is the headline. The next headline is Senator Lindsay Graham h calls for blowing Iran quote off the maps. These things are related, absolutely, and you know that the Again, kudos to the people at Anti War if I could just mention something that they bring
up here in the first two paragraph paragraphs. They do a great job, they say. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, has called for the United States. I also think he represents Israel, Ukraine and many other portions that are you know, considered the facto states of the United States now. But we'll just continue. I don't know how you get representation in any political system. It's all forced on you. And if you're representative, what
about the next guy? But that's my anarchist argument there. Senator Lindsey Graham has called for the US to bomb Iran in response to hoodie attacks in the Red Sea. That not being Hooty and the Blowfish, although some of their music might be considered pretty offensive, nonetheless saying Iranian bases and oil fields should be blown off the map. Oh yeah, that's going to be really good for the US economy. Just unbelievable, if even if you want to look
at it as as that sort of a callous way to approach it. Peace, peace and trade. How about that. I haven't seen Iran engaging in the behavior that the United States has engaged in since Iran got its leadership back after they toppled the man who was put in in nineteen fifty three by the CIA. The hawkish, Yeah, the hawkish senator claimed that without Iran there would be no Houties. But writes Dave DeCamp and hats off to you, Dave. My bald head shows it. But the Houties, formerly known as
ansar Allah, are a home grown movement of Zaidi Shia Muslims. Zadi Shia Muslims ruled the area of North Yemen that the Hooties now control for about one thousand years until nineteen sixty two. I wonder if Lindsay's gonna mention anything about that. The arrogance of these people, they have no historical sense. You watch that documentary The Fog of War. McNamara goes over to Vietnam, starts talking to his counterpart that was there throughout the Vietnam War, and they said,
why did you continue to intervene? Didn't you know this was a civil war. Didn't you know that we weren't going to be under the Chinese column. We weren't going to fall in line. It wasn't monolithic. We've been in the Chinese three thousand years. Yes, yes, And it's the same thing with Iraq. I mean, they the You have to see parts of it completely on purpose, you know, if you believe in the conspiracy theory
of history, which I do because that's where all the scholarship is. But if you look at a rack, they really thought, because I was part of the tail end the evasion of Ract, they really thought you could hold that country with less than fifty thousand troops. Are you serious? That's what Donald Rumsfeld thought. And that's why they just they didn't even send in the
armor. They didn't send in that, they didn't send in all the things that you would need, because they thought, well, we'll be greeted as liberators. Were they were they using some of the opium that they were increasing in its supply from Afghanistan. Hey, I had I had to protect don't you know those those poppy fields? I had to protect those in Afghanistan? Ar don't you know guard I'll never forget twenty two years old, bringing my
team up over a hill. Were called out to these coordinates. They said, you need to go over there. There's a we need to get some pictures of this area and get it back to the base. I said, okay, So I go. When I go over this hill, there's this massive field of poppies and there's just armed people. I don't know who they were with. This is like after the Talifan fell and there was just massive, massive fields of poppy in the middle of the desert. So it'd be
like just Barren mad Max wasteland. And then you take a corner and then there's just you know, fields forever as far as you can see, fields of green. Well they're not green, but yeah, that little little orange colored flowers. Yeah yeah. And that that is that is a real thing. That's a that's a that trade in afghan and that was revitalized after the the US invasion because the and and there was just a reporting I mentioned on
the Liberty Conspiracy Show. There was just a report that mentions that, and I showed that that infamous interview a couple of times James Bouvard guest guesting when I was hosting David Knight Show. The other day, I got to play the the the video of of her Roaldo on the ground in Afghanistan. Clayton
Morris actually on Fox then twenty years ago introducing Heraldo via satellite. Heraldo speaking with a marine named Christmas, Brian Christmas, and they were handling the security for the fields, and the narrative that they gave was, well, if we don't do this, the Taliban will take over. And you know, we have to allow these locals to do it, because if they don't do it, the Taliban will do it. The drug trade will just skyrocket.
Well that's exactly what happened under the US there. And then now that the Taliban is in, they've actually been destroying the fields, and the percentage, the proportion of the world's poppies and opium that are coming from Afghanistan has now dropped such that Afghanistan is no longer the number one supplier of opium related products.
But I think it's me on mar So, you know, the narratives that they give people in the United States, it's almost as if, especially with modern technology, you know, modern communication technology, going back to really the creation of radio in many ways, with the fireside chats and so on. It just facilitates propaganda so much. And I think there's I don't know
about you, Tony, I wanted to ask you about this. What do you think about the psychology of people who might not necessarily be first inclined to lie, but because they get on that political treadmill and they're constantly in that battle zone and they constantly have to present these narrative stories, they might fall into that trap. They might amplify something more than they need to to make
it sound more alarming. There's always that tendency to try to, well, I'll gain attention by being pithy or telling somebody that something is a big emergency or something like that. And I don't know how one can get around that, but there are people who do seem to get around it. Thomas Massey does a terrific job. He's very honest. I don't know whether you do.
You think it's just part of human psychology, maybe a mixture of some of these people who were just corrupt and then the others sort of following in their footsteps and seeing the patterns and how they can get their bread buttered. To me, it's and perhaps with this dedollarization happening, maybe we'll see more desperation. But after a while, maybe people will start to realize that the United States activities around the world have been bankrupting us. Well, I think
it's a series of small compromises. These type of personalities make over their lifetimes until they don't know who they are anymore. And like kind of looking at the you know, the story about Lindsay Graham and the people that have supported
war. You know, you start making justifications for it. I remember a story about Lyndon Johnson when he was running for Senate in nineteen forty eight, and his whole political career was on the line, so he couldn't He had to leave Congress to run for the Senate, so he had no lifeline back
and that was his I mean, it was his last stand. He was running against a guy named Coke Stevens that should have won hands down, and he was the former governor of Texas, a stalwart constitutionalist, would have been a great senator. Well, LBJ had the Brown and Root money. You know, he had a lot of He had a lot of a lot of outside money, and they started just pouring it in. And one of the things that he ended up having to read what he had to read, a
very right wing ad on air that was anti union. It was very it was very much anesthetical to what his platform was. But he had he had to get this endorsement, and he just talked himself into it. He said, if I don't read this and I don't do it enthusiastically, then I won't be senator and I can't help the people that I say I'm going to help anyway. So he justified it that way, and I think they just make these series now. He's probably he was probably as a as evil as
he was. He was probably a little bit more cognizant than I even think these people are, which I mean, I think I don't know if they've even given that any sort of of thought at all. Guard So I don't know, we might be we might be giving him too much credit if they're even self aware. Well, I was just wondering if maybe they could, you know, package their their their phraseology and their narratives and their fables into small bite side pieces that would be easy enough to digest from, say TikTok.
But then I realized that the more I watched TikTok, the more anti Semitic and Nazi like I become because Nicki Haley told me that, and I love it, she says, she's her statements. You probably saw, Tony and before the show everybody, Tony and I were talking a little bit about how Nicki Haley was in New Hampshire, actually not too far from where there was a Union Civil War prisoner of war camp where guys were literally eating worms
to survive. Okay, and she has to she said, not quite the right thing about the Civil War. It didn't fit the narrative of it was about slavery. Don't talk about anything else. It was about slavery, which is completely off base for anybody knows anything about the Civil War. That's an absurd Watching TikTok again, you got it, you see. So there you go, and anti Semitism can now be opened up to all sorts of things now, perhapsolutely even have a rainbow aspect of you can't be anti Semitic aus
that means you're anti LGBTQ. I I don't know, but uh so. So she comes back and she apologizes and in her effusive, drippy crocodile tear apology, Tony, you know, she comes out and she says, well, I meant, I meant it was about freedom. But of course, I mean, really, you got to understand part of that is it's slavery. It was about slavery, and I just thought. She goes on and says, I want to stress that, you know, I am and I'm paraphrasing. Now, this is a nation that we have to stress freedom of
individual liberty. You know, all the all the pat lines that they hand us while they're picking our pockets and reducing our liberties and breaking the Bill of Rights. It's all about individual liberty and self rule like, oh, then I can rule myself. Well not really, you know, it's about this experiment in self governance. So you're gonna leave me alone. No, no, no, I'm gonna govern you. I thought you just said self governance. No no, no, forget about that stuff. So then she says,
she says, freedom of speech. This is a woman who just two weeks ago was saying she wants to ban TikTok oh, and she also wants you to register, yes, any sort of use on the internet. So right, you have to. You have to show your face. You can't even go back to the founding fathers who wrote under pseudonyms. Yeah, even during that time, right to the papers and other arguments to the foundation of the country, it was anonymous in so many ways. What about silence?
Do good? What about Benjamin Franklin? Can he not do that anymore? Do we have? We have to be identified by Nikki Haley? And you know, it's interesting when revisionist history people can't get an enough revision so they have so that the revisionist meets a super revisionist, and then they don't know what to agree on, and they're talking to a public who has no idea about any of these things. I mean, most if you've ever done seen the man on the street, which I'm sure you have, guard to just
watch people, they don't really know. Most people don't know the history of the Civil War, about the issues with trade, or or the economic powers of the North and industrialization or Fourth Turnings. I mean, they have no idea about any of these things. They just they got to throw out that platitude. It's all about, you know it was you should throw that Lincoln quote in there about what he said about the saving the slavery in the Union,
save the Union without freeing a slave. He would do it he didn't care. He did not care. He did. If I could free all the slaves and save the Union, I would. If I could free half the slaves and save the Union, I would. If I could free none of them and save the Union, I would. That's what Lincoln said. And by the way, you know we're gonna have Don jeffries On in this in the second hour, and his book Hidden History starts out with Secretary of
State Seward having a bell on his desk under Lincoln. For those for those who know what I'm talking about, the Secretary of State for Lincoln was Seward, and he had a bell on his desk that he would ring to have someone arrested. During the Civil War, including the attempted to rest of Supreme Court justices. The attempted to rest up was that the legislative body of Maryland
or Delaware. I was talking about this last night, just because they were going to declare neutrality, you know, eviscerating habeas corpus, which is even even though I wish it went further, and that Congress couldn't lift the writ of habeas corpus under the Constitution, Congress can lift it. But Lincoln just decided, well, I can do it too. It's just astounding, just
unbelievable. And George W. Bush wanted to do the same thing, and the congres at that time, with people like Lindsay Graham involved in the Senate and John mccannon the Senate, they wanted to grant the president sole arbitrary executive power to lift the writ of habeas corpus so that he can definitely detain people,
which they had been doing for years. And part of the problem that they had encountered was that some of the detainees in Guantanamo had some lawyers who said, are you ever going to charge these guys, because according to the Constitution, you can't do this. You either have to lift the writ of habeas corpus for everybody, or you got to get these guys an opportunity to hear the evidence against them and be charged with the crime. You can't just
kidnap people and hold them. Of course, indirectly, they're you know, they threatening kidnap of all of us if we don't keep paying these fatuous criminals. So you know, I don't know how much different that is than a mafia, But maybe it's just as I mentioned on my show, maybe they just use more decorous language. Oh the momb Er amateurs. Yeah, I mean I haven't understood. They got to use Edward Burnet's as propaganda techniques.
That's the key. This is, you know, the fight that I thought I really saw in two thousand and two, in two thousand and three was the Patriot Act itself. And this is me at twenty two years old, and I remember being I was about to id just gotten back from Afghanistan and was deployed to Iraq, and I remember just going, what are they doing? We didn't need this to defeat Tojo's Japan or the Third Reich. What
are they doing? What does that even mean? Like? Why do I need to give up so much of my of my freedom and my liberty so that the state can find people's quote unquote in caves? And I thought, this isn't what this is about. And I knew that. I just instinctively knew that, you know, at a young age, and I just watched this country headlong dive into authoritarianism and we saw that just spill over into COVID nineteen eighty four. This is what that was. I mean, they just
were able to put this flip, that switch it's it's it's terrifying. You know, we still have some remnants of of the Constitution, some remnants of the Bill of Rights, those are hanging around. It's more like a shadow of a shadow that we still have that, but we are again this is that they use the crises. They use it never let a good opportunity to go to waste. And then you start thinking, well, you had this all written up, and we're going to talk about this in the third hour
a little bit. There's a there's an article up I saw a couple of days ago about how gen zers are are. They have a lot of admiration for Osama bin Laden because he wrote they read his letter and they're just kind of now stumbling upon US foreign policy blowback. We're going to talk a little bit. I've got a great panel in the third hour to go over just the history of how we got to nine to eleven. And then you know
what, what what is asam bin Laden's role? What is it now that they're rolling out for kids, is you know you talk about and this is ticked. This is a TikTok phenomenon where they're reading uh Soomonn's letter. There's there's so much there. They use these boogeymen they use, they use these straw men that they that are that work for them. By the way, you know, you have that famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Us saying have you ever seen that video? Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah.
And you know, you know, Tony, you bring up a couple of things. You know, watching people like Aaron Mante and Max Blum, Blumenthal and others. Jimmy Door has been doing a really good job. Uh. You know, one of the points that sort of ties into this if you're talking about the number of gen Zers who say wow, you know, I was unaware of what Bin Lauden had said that ties into this canard that they give us of this self governance thing, the idea that the government that
rules over us and forces us to pay for it is somehow us. And as I've mentioned on my show a number of times, one of the most striking statements from anybody that confirmed so many of the things that I and pro peace people have been mentioning. Ron Paul would probably discuss this as well to using the Intern blowback was the Times Square bomber, when they asked him how
he pled he said guilty, guilty, one hundred times guilty. And if the United States government continues to do is what it is doing in the Middle East, more American civilians will die, which sort of ties into the blowback idea, and then that can be translated into what these politicians, people like Stepanek who called up the heads of M I. T and you, Penn and Harvard, and they know they try to inflate what could be a minor
problem. A problem on campuses may be growing, maybe inflamed intentionally, we don't know. But I'm not hearing a lot of young people calling for the extermination of Jews. I'm hearing for I'm hearing calls for a cease fire, as two Palestinian women did outside of the Capital building in front of a senator Fetterman, and he had the gall this power I balance just manifestly showing itself.
He pulls an Israeli flag out and waives it in front of these people whom he is forcing to pay taxes in order to turn them into weapons that will be supplied to Israel to possibly blow their relatives to pieces. That's what he doesn't seem to grasp. And then they say, well, you can't criticize the state of Israel, because criticizing the state of Israel is criticism of
the people of Israel, and that's anti Semitic. So what they're telling us really is if they're saying that, then that actually buys into the rationale that
Helmas can kill civilians. It buys into the same rationale that the Times Square Bomber said, if we cannot criticize the policies of a political entity, and therefore that is criticism of the people on the ground who might have no control over that political entity, and might be you know, a portion of them probably disagree, but they're not so called represented, then they themselves are tying
them all in. As I mentioned on my show last night, Benjamin Netan Yahoo, as you know, more than once said that it was better for Israel to keep Hamas in power because they would be an oppositional force and they wouldn't negotiate. Therefore they could use military force to keep pushing into Gaza. Right, that was his plan. The United States supported him and Israel supported
him. So what he actually did, he actually knowingly supported a group of people that he knew would put the people under him at greater risk of death, kidnapping, and all the things that they've been talking about since October seventh. We knew that he supported them. Well, they need edic conflict to initiate the changes that they want to implementa right, And it's something Kennedy said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Right, Right,
So you're totally there is a school of thought about blowback. This is very much the Buchanan foreign policy. You know, he predicted a cataclysmic terror event on US soil in his book A Republic Not an Empire in nineteen ninety nine. I happen to agree with that. But I also think, and if you want to go a little bit deeper, I think that those in power know that. I think they help recruit the people that are going to carry out the terror. They help them, they funnel it so it can
have the maximum. It's kind of like FDR making sure that all the ships were lined up in a certain way, that the commanders at Pearl Harbor didn't have the proper intelligence and weren't briefed on what was actually happening. The Japanese code called Purple months in advance, we already knew that and let those people just twist in the wind, not that they you know, again that it's not the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but we didn't have to let them
do that, and that's that it was. It was for the effect. So it's I think that's a probably a modern you know, this is one thing the Project for the New American Century said in September of two thousand that they needed a pearl, a new new Pearl Harbor to initiate the that the again not just the Project for New American Century, but that what John McCain would call rogue state rollback, which is really just the class project of the
military industrial complex and the neocons. So true. And you know, I think in high school when you hear things about well Roosevelt he embarked on an embargo of Japan because of the Sino Japanese War, which was a terrible conflict, and so on and so forth, and I think a lot of times those terms, you know, it's you mentioned nineteen eighty four, COVID nineteen eighty four, right, And it is very much like the Ministry of Truth.
It's these terms become very soft. People get to normalcy, biased they become accustomed to these things, and people don't question, well, how is an embargoing forced? Oh, that's right, with military power. It's actually like it is an act of war. As I mentioned often, Rhode Island was not going to participate in the Constitution in agreeing to the Constitution, and the other states threatened an embargo on Rhode Island to get them to vote.
So that was to get the Constitution, which was a much more centralizing document than Alexander Hamilton loved to get that, to usurp the Articles of Confederation, to get that central taxing authority, to supply money for a central bank, to get the borrowing authority. And we are off to the races from Alexander Hamilton to Henry Clay, to Abraham Lincoln right on through to Teddy Roosevelt, running through to Hoover fdr Are all the way through to Johnson Nixon, Clint
Carter, all the rest you know. For it's just it's just been a series of dominoes ever since then, represented by people who just want political power, and they they know the magic sauce that they can use, which is central bank currency. And and that embargo thing. Look at what they're doing. Now you know there we so we seized a Russian oligog's yacht, Like, oh, did you give him trial? Did you give him due process? Because I think there's this thing called the Bill of Rights. I don't
remember it's uh, you know, I think it's number eighth. No Cruel and Unusual punishment. How can you punish somebody if he hasn't been put on trial? What crime did he commit? It's absurd they're going after guys from from Hungary or Turkey because they're doing business with Russians. Oh, we're gonna
shut down your bank accounts. You've had that? Yeah, that makes me think, yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward to my CBDC now, Ah, you criticize Nikki Haley there, how buddy, It was kind of like I was looking at the headlines on Drudge, so I know what the Central Intelligence Agency wants me to talk about, or at least the narrative. Thanks thanks for making that easy. They've curated They've curated Operation Mockingbird for me
every morning, and I go and take a look at that. But it is it is funny because I looked at the headlines and you know, they're taking Trump off ballots, And I thought, isn't it interesting that the people that scream the most about our democracy, our democracy, it's killing our democracy. They don't want democracy, which is funny. They don't like ballot access, they want people off ballots. They don't they don't want any any sort
of checks and balances on who can vote. So that kind of cancels out democracy, doesn't it. But it's the same people who also say, well, if we can just save one child, you know, if if it's it's for the children, and then those people for abortion on demand, Oh yeah, absolutely right, or like Francis Collins. I just showed video of Francis Collins last night that was out there on Twitter. Again. You know,
God bless people who are putting that information out there. You know, Francis Collins in a meeting with these sycophants, just sitting there and saying, well, you know, when you're involved with public health, nobody questions the term public health. They just accept it. I was like, what do you mean the health of what? What is that? Could you break that down into the subunits of what you're talking about? You mean people? Individual
people? Oh, that's right. You were completely willing to sacrifice the rights of individual people for this gestalt amorphous term that you call public health, which you constantly were modifying and lying about over and over. Meanwhile, you gave outs to the farmer companies that completely manipulated their data sets, and you put this stuff out and now we can't sue. Oh, thanks for being in
power there, Pal. It's just disgusting. It is the while I was following orders thing, you know, It's like I was talking about Douglas Murray, the British commentator, and I was amazed. I was surprised. I had never I don't think I've ever agreed with sank Unger or Uger in my life from the Young Turks, and I was showing and I replayed it on
David's show. I was showing this interview on that show Uncensored with Piers Morgan Peers Morgan really kind of on balance being a little easier, you know, not like the guy's going to be very tough at all, but being a little easier on Douglas Murray and Douglas Murray just throwing out insult after insult after insult, not addressing actual real information about numbers of deaths, Quotes from people who had been Israeli hostages or the parents of Israeli hostages and things like that,
not just to bring it back to that conflict, but it is so inflamed, and they're using it as leverage in such a strong way to try to target Syria and to try to target Iran. Right now, as you and I speak, these guys are meeting in Washington, DC in those marble halls that have all been paid for by taxpayers who could have spent their money on other things that they might have preferred. Now they're trying to figure out new ways to spend our money on more weapons to kill more people around the
world. And Lindsey Graham wants to target Iran. Nicky Hanley wants to target Iran. I think one of the few people out there who's actually maybe more in line with not doing so would be Buyback. And I'm not going to
vote for anybody, you know, I really could care less. And I don't know about that man's background, but at least some of his statements kind of bring up some echoes, and they're sort of soft echoes of sort of the mindset of what Pat might have said or what Ron Palm might have told people like, you know, maybe you want to look at this twice.
This isn't a good idea. You know, you have to run into guard that, like the Senate itself and the building there, and these are sacred places, you know, this is the this is the sacred this is the sacred soil of our democracy. Guard weah, it's very very reverent. As a matter of fact, you have had some Senate staffer recently make a video there. I don't know if you know about the video that was made. Uh I was looking for it on TikTok, but I guess Nikki Haley got
rid of it. Well, it's very sacred. I mean, this is just it and it's adult thing. It's very sacred. This is the stuff that, you know, the evil that comes out of you. Ever seen that that meme where it has Obi Wan and Luke Skywalker and they're supposed to be I don't know whatever they're the I'm not a Star Wars Star Wars uh
aficionado. You probably you probably know more than that. They're looking over and they see it, says it shows Washington d C. Is like you'll never see more scum and villainy in a place, more scumming more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must where would they look? Was that tattooing? What were they looking at? They were on tattooing in front of the spaceport. That's why you our Goldsmith's my sherpa for pop culture. That's exactly what
it is. Just stop thinking. This is that this is sacred that these people, this is like the Hollywood for ugly people. You know, these politicians, I mean, your male man is more important, it is, it serves a greater function. Unfortunately, these people have lots of power. They have a very little conscience and uh and and they have unlimited monopoly money from from from the Luciferian banksters. So we're in a we're in a fix there. But you know, when you got more and more people, I
think the popular consciousness shifting more and more towards decentralization, individual liberty. This is happening now. It's weird and it's mixed because we got all these psyops that trying to funnel people into dead ends. Politically, I know that it's very frustrating for us to watch because everybody's like, I'm with team so and so, and I'm you know, I stand with so, and I'm like, okay, but that you're you're captured in the folkrum of the psychological operation
at this time. And I respect the fact that you have some values and you want to fight for something and stand for something. But again, we're almost there, We're getting there. You know, you talked about Fetterman, which I think he is a this is just me. I think he is literally a humiliation ritual. I think like he was put there to make you feel like the country's stupid and we can't I mean, the people of Pennsylvania.
This is the this is what the best they can do. This guy is I mean wearing a hoodie and shorts into the Senate, which because by the way, it's a sacred place, we don't want to do that. But exactly he's supposed to walk in naked. What's wrong with them? Just he could phone it in from you know, wherever, just to have a screen representation of himself. He you're talking about him with the Israeli flag, right, yeah, that I think that attitude and the politics of yesterday,
I think we're are in steep decline. You're talking about foreign lobbies and what people looking at their pocket books, you know James Carville, who every once in a while was in the news and he's famous for saying it was the economy stupid in nineteen ninety two. Yeah, well, this is going to
be so many things that hit people in their pocket books. I mean, it's heart and home stability, crime, all the things that are happened when you see a culture decay and has been set for it's a controlled demolition, like our culture guard. I think the lot of these politics of yesterday are
just going to get thrown away by the wayside. I think people will stop playing by those rules in the sense that you know, I think you talk about Israel and Israeli lobby, they have a powerful lobby, but Apack's not
what it was twenty years ago. No, No, absolutely, And especially I think, you know, regardless of what personercentage of the college gen zers or or under them might be, actually you know, really calling for extermination, I think that's very small they And of course now if you even call for a ceasefire, then people like Douglas Murray are equating that to that you're calling for the extermination of the Jews, which is just astounding, just amazing.
But I think a lot of those people in the college campuses. It's a sort of nascent and it might not grow anymore, but it is a nascent anti war movement, and it seems to be fostered by recognizing what's been going on with Israel and Gaza. And contrary, amazingly contrary to what George Orwell pointed out, is the general tendency of the vast majority of the public, which is to forget things from minute to minute. Remember those chocolate rations
there, Winston Smith. Yeah, you're one of the only ones who remembers that the chocolate rations were decreased just two weeks ago. Now they're claiming they're going up. Well, they're not going out relative to where they were before two weeks ago. But you're in the Ministry of Truth, so you're one of the few who sees how they're manipulating information. And I mean that's the opening of the book. You know, He's he's he's like, wait a
minute, I just heard what are they talking about on the radio? We don't have as much chocolate as we did, you know, sort of like the employment numbers that they come out with every month, and then they revised them downwards two weeks later. You know, but or inflation is down. No, no, no, it's still going up. It's just the the rate of inflation has gone from three point five percent to three point two percent or something like that. You know, it's ridiculous. And it's compounded year
to year. You know, it's a functional equation, and so it's just it's amazing. I think some of these some of these younger people, you know, they're starting to look into some of the some of the background there. I for some reason, I don't know, you know, whether that will expand or bleed over into other things and recognizing the source, the money source, the borrowing source. But they seem to be very connected to recognizing
at least the military industrial complex. Unfortunately, I think that also has been leveraged by many neo Marxists in the United States throughout the twentieth century to get anti war people to then attack the very concept of capitalism, which in the United States really has not been real capitalism. It's mercantilism. It's a form of fascism. Government favors government, corporate status that sort of stuff, and
handouts and things like that. So when they look at the banking industry, I think many of them see it through glasses that are a little bit clouded, where they don't recognize that if you actually had free trade without the political system that everybody tries to gain, then you wouldn't see this sort of situation
with corporations taking advantage of people trying to do rent seeking on people. Many people become very anti free market when they think that the United States is a free market and they equate the military industrial complex as supporting the capitalist system and all, we've got to bring it down. So a certain percentage of those
people are going to tie in with the Marxists. They think they're going to do the right thing with, you know, the anti fascist movement ANTIFA, when that was of course started in Stalin's Soviet Union to try to infiltrate Germany and turn it from a national socialist system to a world socialist Marxist system. Try to convince people to do that. So there are a lot of pitfalls
along the way. But right now I think people like Lindsay Graham and so on, they're shaking in their boots and they're trying to do anything they possibly can to generate a hot conflict with Iran and get people's minds off of what the Israelis have been doing in the Middle East. And I think that that's if they can expand this war to make it even more dangerous for American civilians, make more of their friends and neighbors who are in the military, put
them more at risk than that. I think they think that that will lend credence to their arguments that we've got to wipe out all these people and do this and it's not just for the safety of Israel anymore, it's for all of our safety. That's where I think they're going. I agree with you. It's a great it's a great synopsis and breakdown. By the way, my friend thanks, we got got it from Nikki Haley. Start start the apologizing. Now, Guard, you didn't revise your history. Uh the revision
wasn't revisionist enough. Let me bring in my friend Don Jefferies. Don, welcome back to the Day of Night show. Hey, how's it going, guys? I certainly do And Don, I hope you got my email. I didn't get to see it until much later, No problem, no problem, It's great to see you and what a great writer. And by the way, Tony, before I before I head out, don I just want to let you know I have given your books to my sister Valerie and she literally she texted me yesterday, is like, wow, so well done.
Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. Guard. Well, she was just saying, wow, these are really terrible. No not, I'll take I guess now she really likes it. Thanks great, Thank you, you got it, Tony. I'll leave you guys. Leave you guys to it, and maybe I'll see you towards the end of the show. Thanks for having me for the first hour, and I'll be listening. I appreciate
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Thank you, See you guys in while. See you well, mister Jefferies. I'm supposed to host yesterday, folks. I just got a little run down from holiday travels and just being on the road and wasn't able to get it done. Don graciously just accepted to come back. Was supposed to be on yesterday, but Don, while I was traveling, you had sent me a copy of your of your newest book. I want to talk about that. I'm because I'm fast. There's a to set it up, and
I hope I'm doing it justice. There's a scene in Oliver Stone's JFK and there is a figure played by John Candy and he's a he's an attorney. He's talking to Jim Garrison, who was the DA in New Orleans, and there's they're just kind of opening up the involvement of and I believe we're talking about Clay Shaw right in the assassination of JFK. And this this character and I've it's off the top of my head and we'll get into the name. But his he kind of plays a beatnik. It's kind of got that same
beatnik language. And there's a woman in red dress and he says, oh popped the bimbo and red and that's where you get that it's very very unique language that he was using. But the story is fascinating because it's really the subplot to Oliver Stone's JFK and you were able to go and meet with that man's son in the form a relationship and I mean, you know, in real life and then just delve into that whole, which this is what Don
does. If you haven't read his book Hidden History, Crimes and cover Ups in American Politics seventeen seventy six, the nineteen sixty three Survival of the Richest. I mean, you got many many books that I that I love, and you have on Borrow Fame we've talked about on this show. But this
is the newest one. I wanted to talk to you about it. I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, but I am fascinated by it because it does tie together a win association of you know Clay Shaw who went by the alias clay bertram Right, and he was he had the International Trade UH and intelligence connections, Operation Mongoose, all that was going on in that area. So tell me about what what got you to write the
book and and what's the what's the theme. Well, this one was co written, by the way, with William Mattsen Lahma, my friend, and he's an underrecognized JFK researcher. He's written several books himself. He's a specialist on the autopsy evidence. I don't think anybody knows more about it than he does, so tip of the hat to him. But it was inspired by
my friendship. Actually my brother. My brother was best friends with Dean Andrews the third and this is the son of Dean Andrews Junior, who you described was the Beatnick lawyer, and he ended up being one of the crucial witnesses in the Jim Garrison case because Dean Andrews Junior, the Beatnick lawyer played by John Candy, on the late in the afternoon, early evening of the assassination, he was in the hospital and he received a phone call from Clay Bertrand,
and he would later tell investigators about it, and naturally they were and he was told by Bertrand they wanted him to represent Lee Harvey Oswald. Now he had done who had killed, yet he had done work for Oswald and a very small capacity for trying to get his dishonorable discharge, changed the military and work on his wife who would come from Russia her immigration status. So I think he became embroiled in that. And again I explained in the plot,
but I think this is all about in New Orleans. But and any read that phone call changed his life and changed young Dean's life as well. And he part of the book is he Dean goes on the record for the first time. And he had been a family friend for years. I became close friends with him through my brother. We had him over the house many times for family get togethers and so forth, and he was fascinating to me. And I was fascinating to him because he had never met, you know,
one of the researchers that knew all this stuff about it. I knew more about his dad related to thessassination than he did, so we were moodually fascinated with each other. And this is the first time he really went on the record. William and interviewed him, and we have the transcript of the interview there. And he taught a lot of background stuff which is very fascinating.
He touches on the camps, the anti Castro camps which he visited with his father, and his father's reaction and how behind the scenes, despite the fact he turned on Garrison to save his own neck and you know, committed perjury and did every thing he could to stop Garrison because he saw all the other people being died and he said, I don't want to be crushed. I like to breathe. I don't want to be crushed like a brug. But behind the scenes, as we show in the book, he was extremely
paranoid and he thought they were out to get him. For the rest of his life, he knew there was a huge conspiracy. So this book, we wanted to concentrate on the New Orleans aspect of it because of Dean's connection. But it's important because I call what I write about in the book. We write about the book is the ground level plot, the ground level conspirators. These are the people. This is where Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. He was framed in New Orleans. This is where he was set up.
He was manipulated into this group. I believe, like Jim Garrison did that at the time of the assassination, he was an undercover agent for the FBI, CIA office enable and telling us we don't know. He had connections apparently with all these things, but somebody instructed him, assigned him to infiltrate a plot to kill the president with these characters. And I believe that's why almost alone among the researchers. I completely discount the Cuban connection and the assassination.
I think it's a complete smoke screen. It's akin to what when you hear of the Vakramaswami and other people and Trump and when they talk about the Saudi Arabian connection nine to eleven. It's kind of a at a level, it's a smoke screen, and it should divert attention away. But the Cuba had nothing to do with the assassination. I don't believe, because I think at the proof is what happened after the assassination, which is nothing. Cuba died
as an American political issue. There was no second Day of Pigs. Nobody tried to assassinate Castro, Obja and Nick or anyone else. Castro outlived them all. But critics continue to act as if this was significant. But these figures were undoubtedly there, and we talk about them in the book. Carlo Springeer who's still alive, and so many others. A Lattio del Valle who ended up with a hatchet at his head the same day, David Ferry was
probably murdered. Who was a place. Who's Garrison's main witness really but I think these figures again, were they I go beyond Garrison. I think they may have all because they all had connections to intelligence too. They may have all been working against each other. They may unbeknownst they may have all been told the same thing. Hey infiltrate this plot, And I personally think that's probably what happened, because they all acted like that, and at any rate,
Oswald got sucked in there. He was set up to be the patsy. And I think Dean Andrews Junior, the lawyer we talk about, I think he was manipulated as well, and maybe very well have been why Oswald was sent to him, you know, to these legal matters and why he's you know, Andrew specialized during that summer of nineteen sixty three and somebody what he called the gay caballeros, you know, a lot of these anti Castro
Cubans. Who Why there were so many gays connected to this case, I don't know, but there unquestionably was, and for what people can expect that on that all they want, but especially for nineteen sixty three. They're an awful lot of gay connections here, for whatever it means. But so in this book, we I went through Harold Weisberg's Oswald New Orleans who It's an underappreciated book was written. Jim Garrison had a lot of his research on that
I was able to track down for the first time. We talked to the family of Lee Harvey, Oswald's best friend in high school, which is ed Vobel, and I'd always thought he had been killed because he died very mysteriously in his early thirties at the Alvin Auchner clinic. And Albin Oxter was another guy who had connections not only to Clay Shaw and we talk about that in the book, but he had connections to a lot of Third World dictators,
a lot of the CIA, obviously CIA connections. They would go to his clinic to get treatment, and Ed Voebel, Oswald's best friend in high school, went there and died very mysteriously. And I was able to become friends
with his sisters, who went on the record for the first time. I won't put any spoilers out there, but there are a picture in the book, and you know, we have lots of lots of interesting things, you know, so people will see the background here and this is again these are I don't want anyone to think these are not the real conspirators other than clay Shaw. I think clay Shaw, and we go into his background, it
goes all the way back to Operation paper Clip in World War Two. He had connections everywhere into everything Perman Decks, which you know may well have been in an international assassination bureau. If you saw the film The Parallax View with Warren Bady in the seventies that was kind of based on permanent Perman decks. You have people out there, and one of Hitler's old age was involved with perman X. So was the former president of Hungary. You know, lots
of very powerful people that clay Shaw was involved with. He was no mirror. They tried to paint him as a kindly philanthropist and he was hardly. That's this is the I think people will see what these are all people being manipulated. Jack Ruby, David Ferry, all these people, the varying degrees. I think they were pawns themselves, Patsy's to some degree to set up the real Patsy. And they were probably not even unwittingly doing it. But
I think clay Shaw was probably the condoit. He was probably the connection between that ground level plot and the people above him who were the real players, the people in the Pentagon of the CIA or wherever this plot came from. But it came from far above any anti Castro Cubans or rogue CIA agents as they like to say. And there's nothing rogue about this. This was This was done at the top levels of the power structure. When you say the
Cuban connection, you're referring to the researchers implicating the anti Castro. Yeah's that what you're doing. So that if you'll watch the movie JFK and that Operation Mongoose. Of course Kennedy didn't send air cover during the Bay of Pigs. Then of course you had the Cuban Missile crisis where Kennedy trades the Jupiter missiles in Turkey. You know, there's that back channel communicy with CRUSE Chief and all that was there that upset the Central Intelligence Agency and the hard liners.
You're right, though, it is interesting if that is the case. Why you know Kennedy was assassinated, then why didn't we It was free It was a free for all after that. I mean, you you could have had a very hard line anti Castro. You know, President in LBJ. I'm sure he could be swayed easily, but that didn't happen. What do you think why is it that that so many of these figures were in the anti Castro orbit though, like the Operation Mongoose and all that that was happening,
all the stuff that was happening in New Orleans. What do you think that was? Well, yeah, I think it was all part of the I mean, I don't know how far advanced this this plot was. What we do know that Jagger Hoover was asking about Lee Harvey Oswald in nineteen sixty. There's a memo out there that he said, you know, we're concerned that
Oswald is being impersonated. Of course, in this book we talk about how he was not only impersonated in Dallas, and people were people familiar with at the gun range and driving the car, and lots of people who saw someone who claimed to be Oswald but clearly wasn't because he was documented to be in somewhere else at the time, work and places like that. But he was
being impersonated in New Orleans as well, and we go through that. How we have a transcriptive entity with Anne Dishler, who William Wall, my co author, became friends with. She's deceased now, but she worked for Jim Garrison for a while and she talks about one of the things she was investigating was all these Oswald sightings in New Orleans, which a lot of them were
unknown to people. I mean, one time at a bar, he made a big production of throwing up on the bar and getting real drunk, or somebody claiming to be Oswald was So he's attracting attention and throwing that Oswald name out there. Why they tied it into Cuban again, I think it's just a smoke screen to try to say that, you know, this is what because Kennedy clearly was going for a reproach, not with a Castro at the time his death. He didn't want to. And they continue and the lie.
There's so many layers to this, Tony, where the lies continue to be pushed that the Kennedy brothers were behind the attempts on Castro, and there's a whole subsection of people out there saying, well, yeah, RFK. You know, he he felt so terrible at the assassination because what he'd been doing came back and blew up in his face, and you know he was he was irate when he found out what they've been, especially because he had
been the only administration, the only administration ever to target the mafia. When he found out the CIA had been using the mafia in this, he was really apoplectic and he was very bitter. His later Jack Anderson would drop a column about it when RFK was running for president again try to stop him, and he was incensed. He told his age, you know, this is
ridiculous. I tried to stop it. We wouldn't have done it. So what they were doing and their comical attempts to kill Castro, I mean, I have to think the CIA could have killed them if they really wanted to. But I mean putting h you know, put poison in his heart or something, and it's toothpaste. I mean, just really get smart type of
stuff. I think that if it even happened, you know, this can all be mythed We don't know, but we do know that that what happened afterwards, if you look at the motivation for something a crime of this magazine, the fact that's still covered up what changed afterwards where some people said he was killed because the civil rights and that didn't change at all. Civil rights legislation went through, and we've had several other civil rights legislations since then.
That clearly wasn't the motive. You know, segregation just didn't have the power over the media to just still be covering it up sixty years later. Anti Castro people think again, if they wanted a second day of pigs, they had to have considered the assassination a miserable failure because they got nothing. They said, Cuba died as a campaign issue. So but what did change?
Vietnam certainly changed, and I think that's all we can be looked at one of the primary motivators because JFK, before the assassination, had the months before and put out this National Security Action memberund Him two sixty three, which started the process of withdrawal from Vietnam, and then Oliver Stone does make a lot of references to this in the movie JFK. However, the day of the
assassination, I mean the day before the assassination. McGeorge Bundy, who was a national security advisor to Canaday you think like the Henry Kissinger to JFK. He wrote National Security Action Metteran in two seventy three, of course JFK never saw it. If JFK had seen it, he would have been fired on
the spot. He wrote this again he had and so if people want to know prior minds, I think McGeorge Bundy had to be a conspirator in the White House is logically because he wouldn't have written a memo like that which flip flopped the Vietnam strategy and said no, you know, we have to help, which is what JFK said. No, this is recently too, so I think those are one of those calling cards that telltale's sign. And so
what happened after the assassination clearly what JFK wanted. And he was on the all troops out by nineteen sixty five and it's their war and all that stuff, and he told all his age this, but that changed dramatically because after the assassination with the escalation began. So if you want to and that's one key thing where you look at it, okay, if they wanted to kill him and stop something that worked. If you want to look at his comments
about abolishing the CIA, he talked about actually abolishing the CIA. Imagine that now it's shattering it to a thousand pieces to the wind. Yeah, just think about that. So obviously after the assassination, that certainly changed because the CIA just got stronger and the Federal Reserve. He was trying to reign in the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think he had issued the soilber certificates. That's kind of unclear, But regardless of Federal Reserve's power, was intact
the mafia. No one ever targeted the mafia. Again, Richard Dixon completely ignored the mafia and Israel. You know, at the time of the assassination. That's more relevant now today is that JFK was the first president to confront Israel, the first really the only modern president and would he He was very incensed behind the scenes and went involved in heated exchanges of David ben Uri and
the President of them developing nuclear weapons. Obviously that changed because we saw in nineteen sixty seven the USS liberty was attacked by Israel and was covered up for decades, and Lindon Johnson was the one who led that cover up. He was very pro Israel. Obviously, Nixon, for everyone down to Jimmy Carter, was a little more even handed. But so these are all things that
if you look at okay, what changed with JFK's death. All that did, but Cuba didn't in terms, it didn't change the way they wanted to. In fact, they just left it alone and cast her again. As I said, outlive them all. So I just look at that's just you know, I don't know exactly what happened, but I just think if you look at you look at it logically, that's the way things turned out. Well, that is interesting. I go back to his American University speech June
nineteen sixty three. If you want to know why the deep state murdered JFK. My opinion, it's right there. It's one of the most beautiful cases ever made of respecting human life and striving towards peace, and that peace isn't profitable, you know, it's there is there is a it's a higher calling because it's anesthetical to all the things that drives so much of the corruption.
And that speech is beautiful. You know, we all, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish the children's future, and we're all mortal. He's speaking about the the Soviet Union. You know. Reagan would later call them the evil Empire one time in the early nineteen eighties. But even Reagan, you know, by the end of the eighties was walking arm in
arm with Gorbachev and Red Square and invoking God and prayer. So, I mean, you can juxtapose that to the leadership we have now, don and you and I talk about this every week, and it's so this psychopathy is so, it's so, it's so insane that the lust for war, both parties, the both major parties, just driving us towards war for different ends,
different reasons. But the military industrial complex survives. And I think that really is something that JFK was reining in, or at least rhetoric, and I think it was real that he believed in those things that he believed in peace. He wanted to I think he wanted to leave that sort of legacy. And he'd been and you've written about this, but he'd been given his last rites what three times by the time he was in his early forties. You know, he'd been on death's door. Of course, you have Pt.
One oh nine in the Pacific and his boat was his boat was cut in half. He dragged, you know, is one of his his crewman, his teeth, you know, in the water. Here's another example. Yesterday I bought two old notes. One is a twenty dollars bill. I read this earlier. The twenty dollars bill really gives it away, donn print. They don't put these on the new twenty dollars bills. But it says that it's redeemable and lawful money. Yeah, right, which means that what
it's supposed to be is a certificate. This isn't money. It's a certificate so you can get money, which is they're talking about gold. But here's something really interesting. Okay, this is a nineteen sixty three five dollars bill. Okay. The reason I bought that they only made them like that one time. Yeah, okay. It's not a Federal Reserve note. There is no Federal Reserve stamp on this note. And this came direct from the Treasury,
And the reason it did is because it was issued by JFK. He wanted direct notes from the Treasury, so he was like you talked about the Federal Reserve and his executive order on silver. Those things are reasons to be suspicious of, you know, the financial sector being involved in his death. And it is the irony of ironies. The only two presidents to ever notes direct from the Treasury, and Lincoln's on this one. JFK is the other. They both got shot in the head in public, as Jim Mars would
reference for all the time. So there's something. Not that I even agree with greenbacks or anything, but I think, yeah, taking the power away from the Federal Reserve, there's an argument there. So I agree with you on I think that it's kind of a a ruse to say that it was all about Cuba or something like that. I think he'd made a lot of those you know, Alan Dulles, you know a lot of these the CIA
and the Bay of Pigs failure and all that, just exposing that. I think that had something to do with it, But I don't think it was just these crazy Cuban connections. I agree with that. Yeah. No, And you referenced the American University Speeches is June in nineteen sixty three, and I think he signed his death warrant with that. I think it's the greatest speech ever delivered by an American president, and people will just read it there.
You've never heard any other politician talk about it that. And he wanted what do I mean by peace? Not my peace? And our time, but peace for all time. I mean, he was he was he was raging against the concept of war itself. And he was the first person political figure I had ever seen that demanded that we look at our enemies. At that time, it was the Soviets in human terms. He said, you know, they they they you know, they love their children and cherish their
future too, and we don't look at that. I mean, I've argued with people back in the name when they're talking about Nazis and people like that. I said, well, you know, these are human beings. They weren't human. You know. It's like I said, you know, do you think they didn't love their children? And they can't see they can't see the enemy in human terms, and they especially when I'm talking about the leaders, but I'm talking about the average soldier that you know, that are fighting
for obviously greater forces. But jfk was, you're right about the Bay of Pigs, and he got off to the I mean, people realize what as Fletcher Proud he used to say, you know, he say he can't tell you what what what rberations went through the Pentagon over this, and think albers Stun has that in his film with Donald Sutherland playing mister X, who was based on Tletcher Brownie, who was with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and saw this from an inside do but the idea that after the Bay of Pigs,
which Kennedy was shocked by because he again he was a naive young president. He had been planned in the Eisenhearer administration with Richard Dixon as the political connection there as a vice president uh total ci operation, and they assured him and we would see this later with their rock and place like that is that, oh the Cuban when we get there, they're going to instantly, you know, they'll welcome us and like we would leader here with the rock, they'll
throw flowers at s and it's exact same kind of philosophy. They said, well, they see the Americans, you know it's coming in there. Well, man, they're gonna the entire people just say, they'll run from this castro guy. So Kennedy was, you know, he was a he had Cold War spirit in him, as his inaugur Old Dress would would say. So at the time he thought, Okay, well this I guess they he was naive. Maybe he thought they knew what they were doing. But so
they blamed him for not providing air tower. He never thought he'd have to do that, and he said, no, this he looked and saw it was a disaster. I'm not going to make it worse. So they never forgave him for that, and he never forgave them. And he fired Alan
Dallis, who was the director of the CIA. Right after it. He fired Richard Bissell, who was the second in command, and he fired General Charge Cabell, said, General Charles Cabell, who was the third command and whose brother, Earl Cabell was the mayor of Dallas in November of nineteen sixty
three. And later we found that in one of the subsequent releases, had been a longtime CIA asset himself to no in surprise, but just imagine, as proudly said, the reverberations throughout the military industrial complex and the intelligence establishment. When he fired the top three people in the CIA, he clearly, even though he very very admirably accepted blame, he said, looked as my
fault. I'm the responsible officer of the executive branch. And I think he said something like, you know, they said, the thing is that victory as a thought fathers a defeat as an orphan and you know which, JFK always had this great No other presidents ever come up with these great lines from
history that people need to remember. But so when he fired them, that was and Dulles already hated and people can't And I'm I think Sigle handedly trying to restore the reputation of old Joe Kennedy, who I think was a great American, one of the great figures of the twentieth century, behind the scene,
and he's been smeared relentlessly. But one of the things he did, and I've found this out from Robert F. Kennedy Junior in his book American Values, where he talked about I had had no idea that Joe Kennedy Senior had sat on a commission in the nineteen fifties to study the CIA, and he was the most vocal critic on that commission, and he said at that time, we've got to rein them in, we've got to take all their
power away except for strict foreign intelligence gathering. And Dulles was the director at that time. So you can imagine the antipathy Dallas felt already for the Kennedy family. So many people hated the old man anyhow up. But I mean, you know, Joe Kennedy Senior had been one of the foremost anti war activists of his time. He was not only, as RFK Junior's point out, he was an art he was an anti war. Uh uh, a
World War One anti protester as a young guy. And that's where he first clashed with Franklin Roosevelt at the two at the time was Assistant Secretary of the Navy and a typical Lindsay Graham type chickenhawk that was pushing every war he could while not going anywhere near any battlefield himself. And uh they actually clashed crimes and cover ups. I talked about an early clash they had. And uh so later he drew the iro of FDR and Winston Churchhill and everyone else.
I mean they all. JFK's father had all the right enemies. And he made he made a beautiful anti war speech when he was at the America First Committee, as so many other great Americans were of that day before Pearl Harbor, when he he said, I would like the parents of the world to consider and and just come up with one good reason for your child to go die in a war. And I thought. I thought that was that's just that really distills it down to what it is. And uh so I have
great admiration for him. He came from good stock. You mentioned we talked about the notes that weren't Federal Reserve notes. Again, behind the scenes, Joe Kennedy Senior was one of the earliest critics of the Federal Reserve. He
knew all about that. I can't believe when when they were eating dinner, and we've heard all the tales about the Kennedy's how they discussed current events and all this stuff, and they would they would they would come up with their socialist views that they were learning in school, and the old man would counter them with capitalism and so forth. I can't believe they didn't discuss the Federal
Reserve. So I'm pretty sure they were well steeped in that. And so I don't think is that why you know JFK did what he did with the silver certificates, which, as you pointed out, is what Lincoln did, and you know how I feel about Lincoln. But he did print the greenbacks. And I've tried for years to to to verify the quote that that conspiracy people from a London newspaper, but it's never specific enough. There's no exact
date, so I don't know if they said it or up. But it's something like if this, if this terrible policy which has occurred, you know, is allowed to transpire, this will be the collapse of everything or something. It's a very dire quote that basically says we have to assassinate him. But I don't know. Again, you know, I want to source things, and so I don't know if that really is a legitimate quote or some you know, some conspiracy guy made it up and everybody cause that happened sometimes.
But uh, there's no denial that that what what JFK did was doing at the time, assessed as he had, he had lots of people that were mad at him, lots of powerful figures. So that's why there's so many, you know, if this was an Agatha Christie murder mystery, there's so many legitimate suspects. But as you know, I believe there's a group above it all and ILLUMINAI whatever you want to call it, and I think
these this is where the decision was made. I believe. Well, I want to go back to the New Orleans connection and then your of course your new book. I want to put it up on the screen too, don so appare real quickly. I go back to the phone call to Dean Andrews Junior on was it being November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, just after
the assassination. Now, you referenced earlier in the conversation that he had actually been an attorney for Oswald before to work on his honorable discharge in some of his military and his citizenship and what Marina Oswald? Right, Yeah, yeah, he had, he had been. He'd done some little work and he, as he pointed out many times, Oswald still owed him twenty five bucks, so he was a little irate about that. But yeah, he had,
he had done something. And again I just look at that skeptically because I think I don't think it's an accident that he because he again he was connected to those same people in New Orleans, So I don't think it's any accident that they came into each other's orbit. For all I know, Oswald is part of his assignment. Might have been told, Hey, the good
of this guy. He's one of our guys. You know, he'll he'll you know, just and you know, have him say you want some help on the inp or something, because again I think everything about Oswald was orchestrated. So the fact that he was able to at the heart to begin, you know, the middle of the Cold War, that he was able to come back in without being even debriefed rather by the CIA or anything at the height of the Cold War, that he did have a Russian bride, I
think these things are all certainly suspicious. And so I think at this point everything, all his moves made, been orchestrated. So I think he was probably told go to this guy. What Dean Andrews Junior was told, I don't know, but he was. He had lots of interesting connections himself, so he may have just maybe he was doing something again for some intelligence agey
as well. I think Dean the third has said that he thought he was an asset rather than agent or something, but he thought his father had some connection. So he's called h Day of the assassination by clay Shaw Clay Yeah, which is so he does he identify who this is who he's talking to early on? He does he make the connection? Well, he knows he said Bertrand had sent him people before. And again maybe this is part of
the thing. He's sending these people to Dean Andrews for a reason. But he he started backtracking, and if people can look at his Warren Commission testimony, and we put it as an appendix. We have several appendencies in the book, and one of them is Dean Andrews Warren Commission Testimonies. You have to read it, because I mean, I've read these, you know, these twenty six volumes. Very few of us have. But they're mostly really
boring, and especially the testimony is really boring for the most part. Dean Andrews Junior, his testimony is the Beatles of the Warren Commission testimony. It's his number one. There's no question. It's the most interesting. You'd be fascinated, but kind of the beat nick lingo. But in it he's, you know, he basically brings up one of the things I want to do
is find out the real person who killed the president. You can see like the Warrant Commission Council saying what you know, you don't think it was Oswald and I know good and well it wasn't Oswald. And then he talks about how he's the first one to bring up the Maggie's drawers. Thing about that Oswald you know, got Maggie's drawers when he was shooting at that he was that bad of a shot. And he talked about Bertrand and so the other
things. I want to find out who Bertrand is. And then later when he started getting it, you know, probably getting threats, but certainly when he started seeing people dying, other people dying, he started backtracking. And you know, he described Bertrand like Shaw early on tall and said, but then later he claimed he was shorter and all this stuff. So he he he became ridiculous in terms of it. We have a lot of his his
fluctuating testimony in the book. He was frankly became a ridiculous witness, but he as long as he was willing to say something that discredited Garrison. NBC News later used him for their attack piece on Garrison, which was was basically run by a guy named Walter Sheridan who had been an assistant to RFK in the Justice Department. And I know kind of a plant he was, but
it certainly sounds like you know, they made. We recently found that Mark Meadows, for instance, was a plant inside Trump's white House an he was an undercover informant working as the chief of staff of Trump. So this guy could have easily have been a plant back in nineteen sixties, in the early nineteen sixties working at bar Rfk's Justice depart because he became a reporter for NBC News just for that one story. As far as I know, Walter Sheridan's
investigative journalist career began and ended with Garrison's investigation. He was front and center there and he was tape recorded, and I don't know why nothing happened to him trying to bribe witness Perry Raymond Russo, who's a taxi cab driver who later eventually when they killed all his other witnesses, became one of Garrison's the most important witnesses, and he was ridiculed because he had some issues. He hated the Kennedy's by the way, but he basically recorded Sheridan saying, you
know, hey, we'll move you out to California. We'll set you up, and all I mean basically, you know, tell him, we'll set you up if you lie for us and if you say what we wants you to say. So this was Dean Andrews Junior is caught in the midst of all this, and you have to wonder what, you know, what he was thinking, and so he was naturally terrified because he saw the other people dying. As he said, you know, I like to breathe in his
colorful language, and we have some quotes from him in there. He's just he's just interesting to hear. And his son, Dean the Third has has a little of that too, you know, not quite, but you can see in his interview he kind of he's very colorful about describing things. You know, he'll he'll just kind of say things in a unique way. That's
why I've always loved talking to him. But I think that Dean Andrews Jr. Was a pivotal figure here because without without Garrison knowing that, because Garrison knew Dean Andrews as his son. Dean Third said, you know, Garrison will call his house regularly and answered home, O young Dean, you know, and he'd answered the phone, and he used to say it at the
New Orleans Athletic Club and so forth together. And so I think that when when Garrison read his because he started reading at the behest of Russell Long, you know, he was Long's son who was the first one who told him, hey, not right about the Warren commissions. He was played by Walter
math Allen and and all Besudd's JFK very memorably. And once he started reading the testimony, what really jumped out at him was Dean Andrews testimony because he knew Dean he was a friend of his, and when he saw what he was saying, Hey, I want to find out who the real guy that killed the president. I know it wasn't Oswald. And especially when he talked about that phone call, because again Garrison found out about this stuff, you
know, years later. He was initially interested briefly because of David Ferry, who had been curious figure in New Orleans, and he did question him early on the assassination, but he kind of dropped it for a while. And then it was that conversation with Russell Long, and uh then when he started
reading the testimony, Dean Andrews testimony jumped right. And that's why you know the title of the book comes from that that memorable lunch en counter, which I don't know that he actually said, pipe the bimbo on Red and young Dean said he never heard his father say that, but he said so many things that may have been just colorful language that that Oliver Stone made up.
But regardless that that lunch was about that where Dean is discovering, hey, you know what I mean, Uh, Garrison is discovering, hey, you know what what is? What's up with this? You know what are you talking about here? And you can see in that conversation, you know, you know that that he's already scared and he's telling Jimbo, they can you know, they can get you like squash you like a bug and all that stuff. So he's really a figure that has not been examined. I don't
think has scrutinized the way he should. I mean, he's not He wasn't you know, he wasn't a real conspirator, but he was summoning in that was used and manipulated like Oswald was or a lesser wrong. But and the book also I think shows what happens to people that are involved, as you see what happened through Dean the third and I we had his mother, who's
still alive. He's ninety five years old and lives in New Orleans. Still we had her over our house for dinner years ago, a couple of maybe twenty years ago or so, and it his first time she had really agreed to talk about it to anyone, And I think maybe I halfway convinced her because her basically at philosophy was that her husband's crazy. He's nuts, and
he did kind of go crazy after the assassination. But from their perspective, do you see, this is a very respectable family with the guy was Dean Junior, was the president of the New Orleans Jazz Festival. He knew a lot of the prominent people he was. They were celebrated in at the High Society of New Orleans, had a good life. Dean the third was was bound for the same career. He was in law school and all that was
shattered Dean just recently a couple of months ago. Lot, you know, we commiserated because my brother was his best friend and I lost him and he his brother, his younger brother was probably the biggest victim of his father being involved in this because he just turned to drugs and after he just died a couple of months ago, but it was after a lifetime of struggling with drug
addiction. So but all this, you know, if Dean hadn't gotten that phone call in the hospital, probably as he said, you know, i'd have a lot of money now, And he said, he's you know, I go over and see him and he's living in Section eight housing. He's not doing well. He's confined to a wheelchair. I go, we go over and take him out to lunch at the Chili's. It's right next to him there, and he thinks that's a big deal because he doesn't get to
go out other than that. But his life would have been way different. I think he you know, he would have been attorney, he would have been financially said. He probably would have never met my brother, so I would have never known him. But it's it's just, you know, it shows in microcosm, and that that's why his wife, I'm sure, resents it because it took something really good away from her. You know, she was living in that orbit and joining the good life, and instead they became,
you know, part of this the JFK assassination. Quagmire and her husband became discredited and ridiculed by everyone. So it's a it's a character study and what can happen from people that just are even associated with these events in The New New Orleans connection itself is so intriguing to me because that that centers around Garrison. It's almost like ta made to be investigated. It's all being done right there. Yeah, and then you've got you've got intelligence, and you
got the FBI. There's that famous scene in JFK where Garrison, you know, Kevin Costner's look at all the buildings, like well, there's where Oswald stayed, there's the apartment where Oswald stadium and there, and then there's Guy Banister's office right underneath that with the FBI, and across the O and I it's the Office of Naval Intelligence. And then there's the CIA back in the So he's like in November nineteen sixty three or it was. So you know,
it's funny. Court historys are hilarious to me now like they don't. It has to be on purpose because you're not going to be invited to the cocktail parties, you're not going to be celebrated if you start making actual connections of dots. But it's so overwhelming. I know you've been doing this your your entire life. You've been researching JFK. A lot of people that don't know you like if you read about Don Folks, it's amazing, like he
he was part of Mark Lane's investigation in the early nineteen seventies. You actually went and saw the the and got to hold the monloqu Carcanoll rifle at the SMITHSONI I mean at nineteen years old. So Don's been doing this a long time. Like the'se a legit researcher, historian. He wrote the book Hidden History. It's some raids and I know him. I read his book.
And anyway, you look at this and it's just so overwhelming, Like look at the intricacies of what we just discussed in the last forty minutes about Dean andrews Uh, Clay Shaw, Clay Burch, Jim Garrison. It's not for nothing right that this they weren't again, I wonder if they were surprised. Probably were, because these these things are probably decompartmentalized in so many ways.
He really can't see who's doing what. I wonder if they were surprised it was Oswald and that's why they were like knee jerk, like get him an attorney so we can, you know, because that would be a way to contain spillover, Like if you want to you want to put somebody around him that would stop any kind of like interrogation or there's something. So we're talking like on that. Have you been able to run a timeline on when he got that phone call? And like, what, yeah, it was?
It was again I think again because if Dean's recollections are Dean the Junior's recollections were kind of hazy, and it were also in the book. This is the first time Dean the Third reveals suspicious things that were happening to his father in the hospital. You know, I don't put a spoiler, but it's never been out there by any researcher, and it's a reason to wonder exactly what was going on with him in the hospital. So he's a little hazy on it, but I think it was, you know, maybe around dinner
time something like that that he received the call. And of course later what what happened is they would try to blame the drugs he was on and that he had imagined it hallucinated it. And then he would later say, yeah, I guess I must, you know, because again he was saying whatever they wanted him to say at that point because he was trying to stay alive.
But you're right. I most researchers don't question why he got that call because on the surface of it, it makes no sense because if you have a conspiracy and they're going to kill, they know they're going to eliminate the suspect, and why are they worried about getting an attorney. Because the subject here is that Oswall was asking for an attorney constantly. That's one thing he was saying in public, I do request someone to come forward and give me
legal assistance. And but you have the American Bar Association. This is how big the cover up. When and I talked about this and hid the history, they sent a representative to meet with him, and supposedly the representative now I'm fine, And every every public chance he got, he said I need a lawyer. So that had to be a lie. So the American Bar Association is involved in this, the a c LU, these people are involved in it because they're saying, ah, he really didn't want a lawyer.
He just for some reason, he's saying it publicly. But so if you were assuming that all these people except Shaw, again that Bertran is the one who made the call. So I can only speculate but what were the people at the top telling Shaw to do this, telling Burton to do this?
Hey, you know, let's let's get Dean Andrews over there, and and uh and and and maybe you know, I don't think Shaw knew everything because later we talk in the book about the very curious way Clay Shaw died, you know, long after his trial, and you talked about when a neighbor saw an ambulance pull up to his house and take a body out and go inside the house. I mean, that's you know what guy these people played for real? Uh, that's what happened to Clay Shaw. So he wasn't
around that long to question either. But so these we can really only speculate it. But I agree. I mean, the phone call doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but it obviously it happened for whatever reason. And it's the same thing with Oswald's arrest. In the theater. There's so many questions about that. You have witnesses that saw in a wret somebody being taken out of the back while he was going out of the front.
There was so many things, questions about who was in the theater and why, you know, you had really big shots, high ranking police officials and federal agents that were at the scene of that theater to go after someone who would supposedly snuck into a theater without paying for a ticket. At the time, the president had just been assassinated. And of course the person, the clerk, the cashier, said no, she didn't see anybody sneaking with
that cash. But it didn't matter, you know, That's what he did. So lots about this to question, and this is the minutia that you know has taken over my life for a long time, where I talk about all these things. We don't have much time left, but I wanted to tell you a story about jfk assassination, just my own personal history with it. I had a good friend of mine. I ran for Congress in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, against the oldest living member of Congress to ever cast
a vote. It was the last World War Two veteran in Congress. I didn't think he was going to run again, but he was my congressman from the time I was born, like he just goten elected. His name was Ralph Hall, and we became very very good friends. I actually stood in for him and spoke for him and on his last campaign and I ran his Twitter. He liked having me around because I knew all this history. You know, It's like he's talking to somebody who all these players and different figures.
And I never asked him where he was on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, until just shortly before he died. And we had a lot of history conversations. And I was sitting there with him and he had a fire going, and I said, I said, hey, sir, I never did ask you. Because he was state senator in the in the early nineteen sixties. He was friends with Lyndon Johnson. You know that story about Lyndon Johnson saying, uh, you know, get that last bit of names
off that row in the cemetery because they deserve to vote too. He told Ralph to do that. I mean, that was that. That was Ralph told that, kidding you said, those people deserve the vote too. And so you know, I got a great picture of him and LBJ in the Oval office. And Ralph was a tall guy. He was a pilot in World War Two. I flew in the Pacific, and uh, you he just got he just standed, you know, eyed eye with with with L B J. It's a great picture. I need to hang it up in
my office. But I asked Ralph, I said, uh, where were you? And he said, well, I was getting ready for dinner. He's like, I was about to leave. We're headed to Austin, and uh. He was very good friends with John Connelly, so they were headed to where JFK was supposed to go. He was actually on his way to Austin for a dinner that night. Do you do you did you ever piece that together? At where? Where was he headed? From Dallas? Where
who was headed? Oh? Yeah? He was supposed to make a speech at the trademark, the Dallas trademark, which is ironic because klay Shaw, of course was ahead of the International Trademark in New Orleans. So I don't know that's that's a strange coincidence. You know, that's where he's supposed to speak. Yeah, well, I thought it was interesting he was supposed to and then he was going to later I think later it was dinner that night in Austin. I think with the with the governor, because he's with John
Connolly at least that Yeah, that's the way Ralph told it. So I just thought that was interesting like that he was invited to the dinner that never was Yeah. Later, you know, he Ralph would he collected all kinds of memorabilia and he was just you know, he owned banks and stuff. He was an old school guy, but he was tied in very well. And he would tell me stories about uh and Marina Oz while lived in the town I grew up in. Uh. She actually had a house in Rockwall,
Texas. And I want to say they had memorabilia. It came down to, I think Ralph was going to buy the pistol that Jack Ruby used and uh and he was going to buy that him and Mickey Mantle. You tell me this story, man, and uh Uh anyway, it was a great It was a great story. But his wife told him, uh not to buy that pistol. She said, we don't profit off other people's misery.
So he he had like these kind of swirling connections to the people in the jfk assassination, like like John Connolly, and he would tell me stories about how uh, you know, every election cycle, John Connelly put that leather that brace back on his wrist and to say, you know, I was in the car with Kennedy, you know, and course so much there. The assassination of JFK and the people and the figures around it have still have massive reverberating effects in our history today. It's not it's not a cold
case that doesn't matter, folks. I mean, it really is. And you talk about in Hidden History, you call it the mother of all conspiracies in our modern era. I think you're I mean, I think you're right. Don I mean, it's it is, the yeah nucleus, for sure, it is. I mean, there's so many and there's so many people that are willing to can believe me, I know from the JFK research.
I mean, that's why I'm not more welcome there because I talk about all these other things, and so many of them are willing to consider the FBI and the CIA and everybody covering up in this, and witnesses being silenced all that in these JFK assassination. But they don't take it any farther than that, and they think it's an isolated happened at a vacuum, and obviously it
didn't. And that's why, you know, although I spent some the time as a teenager being you know, obsessed, you know, the JFK assassination, and this is always my wheelhouse issue. It led me down these other rabbit holes and so, you know, all the other issues that we talk about, but it all started with JFK. And I think for my generation JFK assassination. I was a very little kid when it happened. But for my generation, the JFK assassination was a seminal event, as for later millennials
or whatever the nine to eleven was. But so it's kind of like that was our nine to eleven. But this was something that still I go back to it, and I think it's crucial to understand what happened because it has ties to everything else. As I pointed out, if JFK hadn't been assassinated, RFK never would have been I don't think chap Equitic would happen, because
I think that was Teddy's political assassination. And certainly the JFK junior playing crash, which I've written about critically about, I think was another Kennedy assassination. That wouldn't have happened either, and the attacks on RFK Junior wouldn't be what they are. I don't think if it hadn't been for this again, this history which goes back to the old man. That's why I keep talking about Joe Kennedy Senior. He lost to his first son, Joe Kennedy Junior,
who there's some suspicions about that playing crash as well. And Joe Kennedy Senior was hated by the establishment, so I don't think it's any any surprise that his son who got in the White House or whatever reason. People always ask, well, why do you think they let Kennedy in? I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe you have other people that think they wanted to create a martyr, they wanted all this, this was all orchestrated. I have no idea, but uh, all you can do is look at
what happens to the Kennedy's. That's why I continue to defend them. You know, people call me a Kennedy fan boy, and I am because they keep knocking them off. You know, I mean, it's like to me, it's to me, it's it's it's unfortunately speaks well with people if they continue to get knocked off by this uh this, uh, these corrupt tyrants that run us, well, it's a it's a sad metric in American politics. But uh, it's like, well, did anybody try to kill you?
You know, are you effective? Have you been assassinated? That's yeah. All people have told me that myself is like, you know, well, yeah, hock, come, they haven't tried to kill you. So I mean maybe the only way to be I guess legit is to is to be assassinated. You know, So let me not hope for that. Non It's just yeah, I'd hate to think that's the case. Please don't invoke that. I think it's just a I think it's just a level of effectiveness.
Yeah, you know, you know you talk about Joe Kennedy. It always made me really suspicious of the established and you know they called him an appeaser because what Joe Kennedy, father of JFK. Wasn't he the ambassador to Great Britain? Yes, under FDR, and they were rivals and they had a I think they had a very different viewpoint on geopolitics and foreign policy. Yes. Uh, and of course this is America First, I mean,
the America First movement. Somebody needs to do and you've done a lot in your work too, But there's so much to unpacked there about how it really represented the best of America and for decades and still is demonized by the estate. And Joe Kennedy was one of those people that he was, you know, one of the guilty men. You know, he was a he was a Neville Chamberlain, you know, peace in our time and all that.
Well, you know, even Neville Chamberlain was a good man too. And there was there was some people that didn't want to have a worldwide cataclysm, uh, you know, just because there was there was a lot. He talked about invoking parents, you know, you talk about the America First Speech asking the parents, do you want your sons to beacrificed on this altar?
The American people turned away from you know, the after World War One, we didn't want any part of the League of Nations because we lost one hundred and fifty thousand troops and then hundreds of thousands wounded for what to make the world safe for Hitler and Stalin. It really wasn't a good bet. So I think I think history is not kind to those who, you know, again stand up to the expansion of government power or the expansion of the military
industrial complex of the state itself. And Joe Kennedy I think is a victim of that. And also he's a bootlegger, right he didn't make his money. Oh yeah, right, that's what you have to be. You're you're a crime, right said I get so sick. I mean, it's the it's the the uh, it's it's the litany of things against it. Was a bootlegger, he was, he was involved with a mob, which is nonsense. He the mob hated the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration. Kennedy stole
Chicago with Mary Daily in nineteen sixty. I mean, these are all if that happened, it was part of big city politics and in every election. So but again it's always Kennedy who singled out you don't talk about landslide, Lindon or the Senate where he, as you pointed out, used the first brought out the dead vote. You know, hear things like that and very
other questionable electoral politics. But so's it's the Kennedy's continue. I think they stand out pretty well historically, and as you mentioned, America First Committee all Charles Lindberg was another prominent American that was part of that, and it was mainly a liberal group for the most part. It was classical liberals who and I in crimes and cover ups. I talked a lot about that, people like John T. Flynn, who FDR was the first president to cancel somebody.
He canceled that guy's career. He was a good liberal, wrote all the mainstream publications. FDR sent out, you know, memos to all the big newspapers in the magazine say hey, don't hire this guy. He's an appeaser and ruined his career. And that was I'll have more about that in the upcoming the American Memory Hole about FDR. He was the first one to use the press, which he you know, just like you look at Obama or Biden today has the mainstream media in their hands to use the press of
his day to go after his opponents. He used the I R. S. It wasn't Nixon. SDR used it much more exclusively. So these I mean, that's why I read about hitting history, because people just they don't know that everything they're being told is alive by the court of historians. It really is. When you start unpacking it, folks, you get real historians like Don Jeffery as you go, oh my, I can't believe this.
I didn't see these connections because you're never it's never brought up. I mean, it's just a paint a picture that's completely different because that the universities are funded by the same corporations that fund the media. So you don't get and there's no reward for people that want an academic career to go against the grain and say, well, that's that doesn't make sense. Let's let's look at
some evidence here, or let's look at the actual character this. You know, we you know this last couple of weeks, you know, we had the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. I talked about it with David on his show here, and we talked about, you know, for knowledge that FDR had on Pearl Harbor. You know that the Japanese Code Purple had been broken months before that. They knew that the Japanese were going to strike. They didn't know exactly what minute, I don't think, but they knew that it was
coming. They were warned by congressmen, by people that had intercepted radio transmissions. So you know, that's a And then nineteen eighty what was a John Tolan wrote a book called Infamy. He was a coret historian, but he went and actually dug it up and got you know, the the Foyas and not everything else to show that there was ample evidence and fore knowledge. And
he was demonized. Barbara Tuckman, who wrote The Guns of August, called Toland a Nazi because he's well, first of all, that doesn't even make any sense, but he was saying that he's a Nazi. Now, you wanted to rewrite the good war World War two, and I just say, folks, you know, I'm not a professional historian, but we went to war supposedly. You know, in nineteen thirty nine, the West went to
war against itself for Poland because the Hitler invaded Poland. So you know, Great Britain declared war on Germany. Well, at the end of the war, we gave Poland to Stalin. So fifty million dead just to give it back to Stalin. That's what the I mean, that's what the end of the war, That's what it was. So don I could talk history with you for hours and hours, and that would be a great show in and of itself. But I get to do that every Saturday in America. I'm
very fortunate. Man. The America Unplug channel on rockfin and Anywhere, podcasts are found. Don tell people where they can find you. And of course I want to say before that we're having a panel discussion on an article. I got Charlie Robinson, mister Anderson, Guard Goldsmith here. If you want to stick around on you know, you're always welcome. If you got to go, that's fine too, that's fine. Yeah, I get to go
because I just but yeah, I appreciate it. Think please substack Donald Jeffries at substack dot COM's called I protest like my life stream he soa it's the only place I'm not shadow band on pipe. I've been on red as the new book Masking the Truth is out there as well, the most shadow my book in the world. So I appreciate everyone's support, and I thank you Tony for your support. Thank you don always always a pleasure, sir, appreciate you. All right, folks, Well we're in the third hour,
and uh, I've got a a very esteemed panel. Let me start adding their streams one at a time here, all right, We've got mister Anderson, Charlie Robinson, Guard Goldsmith all here too. And and by the way, it wasn't like a lot of advanced notice, So thanks gentlemen. For being here the third hour of The David Night Show. I've I've not even really plugged the entire time. We're in the third hour. It's been guard Goldsmith came in early, made radio easy. Then I got Don Jefferies.
How can you not make radio or podcasting easier than that? You got Don. So we're in the third hour. I think we've got some great subject matter. But I want to introduce uh my little brother, mister Anderson. If you want to know what he does. At the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, you know when they asked where the Ark of the Covenant went, and it say it's being examined by top men. That's what he is. It's being examined by top men. So welcome, Welcome to the
David Night Show. Mister Yeah, let's go with the Hey Tony, how you doing, Buddy, Good to see you, my friend. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming on this article. We're going to discuss I thought it was. It has so much to unpacked, so we're going to get to it. Charlie Robinson, thanks for being here as well. Author of the Octopus of Global Control, The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire, Macro Aggressions Podcast and the Hardest working Man in Alternative Media. Good
to see you, my friend. Good to see you too. As they say in Raiders of the Lost Ark, it's not the years, it's the mileage. That's true. I always feel like in somehow in this life, I'm just Indiana Jones trying to get the idol to have the same weight as the back of sand doesn't act quite right, you know, I'm just trying to make my life work that way. Guard thanks for coming back in the third hour and let me so to the best of my ability. I'm my
own producer. I don't have a Travis Knight here, but let me click this article and try to get it to feed into this stream. One second, Well, we're gonna go over. I saw this yesterday or two days ago, and I thought, this is this is a phenomenon We've got gen z is reading the bin Laden Letter. Okay, so a lot to unpack there to begin with. But this is the again, TikTok, all the things that Nikki Haley hates. This is the Daily Mail. Hear me pull
this up? So Daily Mail one in five Americans and the young Americans has a positive view of Asama bin Laden disturbing. Sorry, I don't know why this is coming up. Well, I lost I lost the feed. Well, let me put it back, give me a second, I'll put it back up. But gen Z is reading the bin Laden letter, right.
I've got questions about that in and of itself. But what this is is you've got this new generation is stumbling upon a phenomenon known as blowback and rationalizing the actions of the so called nine to eleven hijackers and the terror plot because
of our involvement in the Middle East and so on and so forth. If you read the bin Laden letter, well, it's interesting that this is even a headline because there's something going on here and I want to unpack what could be causing this right now when we have it's nine to eleven and I was part of, you know, the first army company on the ground in Candlehar, Afghanistan following nine to eleven, and then again I was in the tail
in the invasion of Iraq. So I had a front row seat to the geopop politics that were the a in the aftermath, and I learned a lot about it. I learned a lot about you know, the different belief structures and who does what, and you know, I worked with the intelligence communities and what they were seeing there on the ground and what they were talking about.
But I've had questions ever since because if you notice, there was this time when it was like we're in the battle of civilizations and it's good versus evil and we're going to democratize mankind and all this stuff, and all of a sudden, one day it just went away, and I thought, that's not how classes of civilizations work, you know. And if you go back and you look at Syria and the lead up to that, the deep state
for sure wanted to try to drag America into another Middle Eastern conflict. They just couldn't get the get it off the ground, They couldn't get the public behind it. They tried several times with with false flags that were clearly like just sloppy the white hats and he's gassing his own people. And this is when I started out in radio, and I'm like, clearly, this is a false flag. I mean, can you see that? And the American people, for all their faults, didn't jump. There was remember there was
the red line that Obama put down. Well, if you folks, if you remember your timeline. Right after that, you didn't hear much about it. There was isis in the Toyota pickups that we gave him and all the weapons. And you know, Hillary Clinton ran in twenty sixteen on bombing and shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to herd al Qaeda. That's where we went. So by twenty sixteen, the policy of the US government was to protect al Qaida. I don't know if anybody was paying attention. That was
the twenty sixteen foreign policy debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. So al Qaeda went away, and now they're bringing it. They're getting the band back together because after October seventh, So I've been asking the question, I go, where did they go? Why is it not a thing? Because we have a wide open if you want to know, like with something real and uh, I can't wait for you guys at chime in on this, but we've if you want to know something's real, like COVID nineteen eighty four, Is
it real? Is it the most deadly thing to ever know? Because we have a wide open border. Is terrorism real? Yeah? Probably when we fund it. And of course if you go over to somebody's you know where they live and occupy it. You're gonna get shot at and blown up. There's things are going to happen. That's real. But we have a wide open border, so you know, Jim Mars brought that up for years and years. That's kind of the tell, so I'd ask where it went.
So now I'm seeing these stories, I'm going to see if I can pull it back. I'm having trouble with my uh being my own I'm going to fire myself as my own producer. I know you guys had a chance to read the article. Charlie, I'll throw it to you first. What were your thoughts on this as a phenomenon going on with young people? And It'sama bin Laden? I mean, what's you know? Unpack this for me? What am I looking? I can't wait till Isis gets out of the studio
and drops their new album and it's gonna be the best. It's good. They might even it might even be the bomb. They said. This is just wait until these kids get to Bill Cooper's work. You know what I mean? You can watch them like going through They're like, oh look at this bin Laden letter and everything. You're like, keep going going, You're
almost there, You're almost to the good part. It's it's it's hilarious and terrifying all at the same time, because because again, like I like the fact that they're not getting their news from the mainstream media, but they're getting it from a source that's that also is equally ripe for manipulation and preying on their emotions and and and giving them ninety five percent truth with five percent lies and all that, all those tricks that that they use on us to convince
people to feel a certain way about things. It's interesting the they're you know, I want to like interject into this whole conversation with these with the with the kids that are that are reading about Ben Lauden then say like okay, like here's a little footnote as well, like remember we used to call him tim Osman when you work for the CIA, and we did that for twenty years. He was one of our guys. So like, that's information that
you probably need to know. And the Tora Bora caves and all that nonsense, you know, you probably like it would have helped. It's very helpful to be alive during that event because you in retrospect, you look back and you go Oh yeah, I do remember that. That is crazy, you know, you think you you think you've got thoughts on Osama bin Laden all
your new generation. That's great, let's we we can explore that. But also just remember that the mainstream media told you that a passport from a hijacker was found at the foot of an FBI agent block from the crime scene, if you can believe that, as Garrick Utley had to preface because he could barely believe that the words were coming out of his mouth. So there's a
lot that gets lost just over the years. And I'm sure that the same has happened to me looking back on the Kennedy assassination, because I wasn't there and I wasn't alive, you know. And so the new generation re examining nine to eleven. Good, I guess I'm on the all for them examining nine to eleven, but only if they do so with some better source material. So we know that the mainstream media is totally corrupt, But you know,
I don't know that TikTok is much better. So so again, like I'm on the one hand, I'm I'm glad that they're reassessing things, but I would love to be in the room to kind of say, oh, that's propaganda. Hang on a second, that stuff that you're talking about, No, that's straight up propaganda and lies. You're close, but here's where you know, I'd love to kind of guide the process. But if you
know, we don't really get that. That luxury it's fat, it's it's hilarious to me though, also like the the side of me that finds the humor in all of this, like the people these kids are like, well, actually, Sama, Bin Lauden was a great guy, and you're just like, oh, this is so, this is ge get your popcorn.
The twenty twenty four is gonna be wild, Like you mentioned, like, can you imagine they come across the audio recording of Bill Cooper and Charlie and I both spoke at Free World NYC in New York City, you know, pretty much on the anniversary of nine to eleven. Uh, just talking about the event, and when I referenced Bill Cooper because it's one of the things that I've talked with BILLI Ray Valentine, who just joined us. By the
way, he's hanging out. He's gonna be part of the panels. Good to see, Good to see br V, you know, thinking about him telling his audience in June of two thousand and one that there's gonna be a major terror event. There's gonna be a cataclysmic terror event. It's going to
be blamed on Osama bin Laden. And don't you even believe it? I mean, this is a guy in his eager Arizona, you know, his upstairs in his home studio telling you how this works, and how that the CIA had recruited Asama bin Laden and trained him and funded him, and they know exactly where he is and that you know, CNN can somehow find him and do an interview. But the FBI and the CIA and military intelligence and supposedly he's an enemy of Israel and he's saying he's gonna attack, But why
does an Israel take him out? There's all these open questions, and then who is he? Matter of fact, there's an article up I thought this was pretty apropos. There's an article up on lou Rockwell dot com, a great site for articles in libertarian thought, and it says, is al Qaeda an existential threat? And what is the meaning of al Qaeda in Arabic?
And you know what it is? The meaning means that. It means doesn't mean the base, which is what we were told by the media, like they just sprung up and it's this shadowy, you know, group that just wants to kill us for our freedom. You know. And by the way, if they hate us for our freedom, can we just be friends now since we don't happen any left. Yeah, exactly, they don't when it kill us for our freedom. But it doesn't mean that, folks, It
doesn't mean the base. It means the database. It was the database set up by the Central Intelligence Agency for the Musha a Dean and the Holy Warriors, the fighters against the Soviet Union after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, and they knew that they anticipated the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan. It's one of the reasons why you, Charlie mentioned the name tim Osman. That was Sosama bin
Laden's code name, and he was brought in in nineteen seventy nine. I know when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan because's the day I was born, So, I mean they were talking to him. I've just had a birthday. It is a December twenty sixth. They already had that in the works to resist the Soviet invests. They were anticipating this, so it's not in these surface
level things are not exactly what and the kids are stumbling across them. I personally think, and I'm gonna throw it to mister Anderson, I personally think that these type of pop culture cul de sacs there. I think they're creating a database of gen Zers and TikTokers and all these other they want to see who subscribes to this belief system, because I think they're actually doing some data mining right now. If you know anything about simulations, the Pentagon two or
three years ago ran a war simulation against a generation Z bitcoin revolt. So what's the Pentagon have to do with currency everything? Anyway, I'm gonna throw mister Anderson. What were you any thoughts on this being some sort of like trial balloon they put out for, you know, they want to see that's the mood of younger people or TikTok people. What do you think, Mike? Yeah, I'm kind of not in that sphere of influence, but it seemed right from the outset to me. It's somewhat of a limited survey.
It looked like only a thousand people, But I was annoyed right from the outset, because this is just going to give people like Ben Shapiro more ammunition to practice his angry auctioneer cadence and Mark Levin to start yelling shut up. Yeah ready yet. So there's reasons I don't listen to them anymore. But yeah, I really don't engage in conversations with people who don't even have anything more than surface level details. I've had to come to that agreement with myself
to avoid a lot of irritation. I mean, I would imagine these people who answered that way in the survey have no idea about that building that wonder woman in her jet hit on the same day that collapsed, and so I would really like, I would really like to see how the questions were framed and if I could add some other questions to the survey like that. So
I agree with you, Tony. We were discussing about it. You brought up something I didn't know the other evening about there was apparently a memo the White House sent out right about which of these syops are real? We don't even know anymore. Oh, yeah, that's recent. Yeah, in the last year or so, the Executive Branch put out a memorandum to in the all agencies in the periphery of the Executive to report on what syops they were
running because no one knew exactly what was real. There's so many syops, folks, you can look it up. They wanted to try to figure out what was actually real or not because they were running so many simultaneous siops and they got away from them. I like the invisible plane reference. That's very good. I've not thought of that before. It's the meme where the little spider man's pointing at each other. Yes, yes, that's exactly what I thought of. Charlie last night. Well, oh Guard, you know you
you and I talked off air before we went live today. I kind of mentioned this article and David's I believe, spoken about there's something weird with it. Like they it makes headlines, especially after October seventh, you know, where they're getting the band back together. We're hearing about how kainda. You know, Billy Ray's mentioned this to me many times about you know, after
Trump had a solemony killed. Yeah, there was there was hashtag World War three, the Iranian general you know they killed in Iraq, and there was something on the horizon with another conflict and then that kind of got buried, and Billy's been mentioned they're going to bring that back. They're going to bring that back, you know, and I've been waiting for it because I wonder what would they use for the opportunity. This seems to be sneaking it in,
kind of putting it back into the consciousness. And this is something that Bill Cooper talked about in his two thousand and one broadcast. He's like they're getting him ready for his close up, Like they're they're showing you the image of Asama bin Laden doing these you know, these fake interviews like CNN and so suppose that they can find him, but the intelligence community can't all this stuff and he's an enemy of America. It is there's something with this.
I think that goes along with not just the gullibility of younger people, but the fact that they won't research a little bit further. But there's something else to it. Guard what do you think is this? Is this some kind of does to ring this up into It was interesting because that poll is is quite a reminder. It follows up on my initial bush was Wow, you know, this seems to be spontaneous. It's coming out of you know,
things like TikTok, and people are spreading these things around. And again, you know, we mentioned Nikki Haley and to stay off of TikTok because you're going to turn into a Nazi, you know. Oh my gosh. But uh but by the way, I hear that even though a wonder woman lost her invisible jet in nine to eleven, uh, she's going to have a new one to be able to fly to COP twenty nine privately. So it'll be totally cool, totally for the climate. Everything thumbs up awesome, you
know. But anyway, just so they can gin up more fear, you know. But I and looking back at it, it does seem kind of strange. And we know that so often these forces that have these long term plans they have to probe, they have to test and find out where the film is strongest in opposition and where it is most most malleable. And so it definitely could be something where even though I think the bin Laden document is a real document and does actually show what he thinks, maybe even that isn't
real. I don't know, but I do think it is. And the logic behind the actual Binladen thing, whether it's real or not real. I start to think to myself, Okay, look we know that inside the bin Laden document he talks about basically he's giving the argument for blowback, and he's saying, look, we're doing this not because we hate McDonald's, not because we don't like Playboy magazine, but because of what is going on in the
United States policies here for decades, and we're going after you. And just like you've been sold this tomfoolery of this is your government, we are now also agreeing with that. So we're going to attack civilians. You know where
the line is there and how closely he was working with the CIA. But this is the thing, if that is a false narrative that someone is putting out, then that actually runs counter to what Wesley Clark was discussing in on Democracy Now when he was saying, look, I found out they want to topple these seven nations. They want to eventually go after Iran, which is
what they're trying to do now. So I to think as some of the other people, as I mentioned the time Square Bomber said the same thing when he was sentenced and asked how he pled so we know that there is such a thing as blowback. One of the most trustworthy guys out there, Ron Paul, has talked about that. We know, and when you're blowing up wedding parties or soccer players in Yemen, or little kids, or extra judicial murders of Americans overseas as well, we know that there's going to be maybe
some people who are connected to those who don't quite like that. So I think the arguments that were presented in the Bin Laden Bin Laden letter are probably authentic. But where did it come from in this sudden way? Was it artificial? It's very tough to tell, and that's where I sort of I
just can't figure that out. If it was done artificially, why would they put that information out there and get all these people now exposed to an argument that runs counter to their long term goals, unless they've got some other long term goals, or as you say, they're probing because they thought it would be discovered eventually, So why don't we put it out now? I just
don't know. Perhaps data mining there seems to be like a resurgence of trying to reset the table again to a Middle Eastern focused foreign policy again, especially as the dollar waynes I just read, you know, we read the article earlier today about Russia and Iran officially dumping all ties to the dollars as part of the dollarization that's happening. You need to go back to Wesley Clark.
General Wesley Clark, that was a Supreme commander of NATO up you know, and during mister Clinton's Kosovo War another one, another one of my foreign wars I had a front row seat to and he got to he go into the Pentagon after he retired after nine to eleven, and they said, we're going to hit seven countries in five years. This is always there's been some you
know, this this the strategy of controlling trade and oil. And of course there's there's the political aspect of the Israeli lobby in our foreign policy as well, and how much we get involved there. So I think they're I think they're resetting the table, and I think they're also data mining. I think they're they realize that the country is not the same thing. You couldn't do the same thing that you're talking about galvanizing a popular sentiment. It would have
to be cataclysmic on a level we've never seen before. To even get close to those type of numbers to justify everything that happened post nine to eleven. So to me, they're doing something, and they're of course they're controlling the narrative as well, because I mean, if you can keep it focused on, well, that's why terrorism happens and not not the fact that it's you know, nine to eleven was something other than what they said it was.
I mean, Charlie mentioned earlier they find the the hijacker's passport in the rubble. You know, uh, jet fuel somehow breaks the laws of physics and melt steel, but it can't melt a passport. I mean, come on, I mean, it's like this is the stuff they expect you to believe or that you know, there's like mister Anderson said, a wonder Woman's plane hits the third building that collapses symmetrically into its own footprint. You know, you got to buy that somehow. So there's I think there's a lot with
this. So there's these are the little things that I pick up on. Then I think these are gonna be things to watch Like this is they're definitely building a new narrative. They're getting the band back together. You're starting to hear things about terrorism again. They're getting worried again, worried, you know, they're starting to they're gonna are they gonna bring back the color coding, Billy Ray, Valentine? Are they going to bring back you know, the
the levels that what is it? Tom Ridge? Remember Tom Ridge two thousand and three or so, a head of the newly formed Department of Homeland Security, was the governor of Pennsylvania. And he's got you color coded. So if you if it's red, then you're gonna be really scared. Orange, not so much. Yellow. I don't know. Yellow. Maybe it's you got you got to check your phone, make sure that no headlines have changed, you know, keep your gas mask within reach. Are you? Are
you color coding your fear, Billy Ray? How are they going to to make this happen with your neuralink? Is more more of an important point to me that they're they're getting rid of of cell phones. They've already started talking about what's the next phase, what's the next phase in wearables? How are we going to do this? Because we don't want to carry around cell phones
anymore. So they're probably being the color right into your your dreams and when you wake up, you know where you're at as far as these attacks go, or whatever they're trying to say. Listen, this story brings up a lot of several different points that I want to make. In particular, the most important one. I just think this is part of fourth generation warfare. This is aimed to confuse psyops upon thyops upon sid Right, I'm not saying that it is a syop, but I don't know, And that is the
point of all of this. Right. It was a young lady that put it out on TikTok, and that's the genius of TikTok. Right. You can put out a video for thirty seconds and if it's a cute girl and it's produced the right way, people are gonna watch and they're not gonna question. Really, they're gonna be, oh my god, that's what it said, and they're gonna keep moving. They're not gonna go research it. They don't care, and they don't have any prior knowledge of what came before.
They really don't know the narrative of nine to eleven. They don't know what happened. They don't know three buildings fell, They don't know any of that. They may not know that two buildings fell. Right. You can ask people walking the street nowadays what happened on nine to eleven, they might not be able to tell you if they're of a certain age. Right, So
they see videos like this and they take it as gospel. But also it's important to realize that there have been psyops that have been run on the people of America and the people of the world throughout social media for quite some time now, So to put out so first off, I have a hard time believing this poll personally. Is it out of the Roman possibility? No, it's not. I just have a hard time believing it for whatever reason. But let's put that. Putting that aside, let's say that this is true,
and and that these kids believe this stuff. Gen Z, they believe this stuff. There's a couple of reasons why it came out right now. It came out now in part because of what's going on in the Middle East, right, And and the sentiments of most young Americans are anti the Israeli government, not necessarily anti Israel. Right. They're giving Biden incredible push right to the point that he has to make some changes and try to appease these
people. Because they're like, listen, what's going on over there? Knock it off, right, let's do something about this. So it's very opportunistic in my opinion, and that's why I would suspect something like a psyop here that this video was inserted into TikTok where young people watch, they look, they consume, They don't analyze, They just consume and keep it moving, and that becomes their reality. Whatever they are told for those thirty seconds becomes
their reality. There are a few from that group that will actually go and investigate. One percent maybe that car enough to investigate. And that is the problem. This is the mind control, and it will continue to get worse because the people know less and less as generations continue. And this is the way we've been bred. I am no exception. I just happened to be born before the social media age, so I know a little bit more than they do, right, But I don't know as much as Tony does on
things like this. Tony is a rare breed on things like this. Guard you know, Charlie, mister Anderson, God bless, how are you right? You know? But but I know more than than most people that that were born after me, by default, right, But but I understand how this works. Right, So every generation that comes afterwards just knows more more, knows less by default, and is less interested by default. Right, it is. It is an attention deficit issue and and and a dumbing down,
a deliberately deliberate dumbing down of the people. And that's what I think is going on here. And I think it's fourth generation warfare. Fifth generation warfare. It is a scio and uh, and we need to all be aware of this and try to try to instruct our kids, you know, sit them down and let them know what's going on. And if they come across this stuff, and they will inevitably come across things like this and believe
it because they I mean, it's it's just the way it is. We have to like try to give them all the information hope that they make up their own minds and have intelligent rationales behind their way their frame of thinking. But I think that's the best we can do right now. This is very very very complicated, and we don't know what's real and what's not anymore. Well, here's an open question. Was this inserted by intelligence as a poison pill, as a virus to kill TikTok is to say, oh, they're
radicalizing the youth. That's the oldest trick that the establishment uses to get rid of anybody thinking. That's what they That's the excuse they used to kill Socrates. He's corrupting the youth. If I may, and then I'll throw it to everybody else. They've led TikTok and Instagram and other platforms like it be
the wild West that YouTube used to be. They've let this happen. They've been going after TikTok for how long because of the Chinese thing or whatever that it's a Chinese company and all this other stuff, and they're spying on Americans. But they allow all of this stuff to go on because they want these people to know whatever whatever's being put out. They want to colonize the minds of the young kids. That's what they want to do. Otherwise they would
have shut this down already. Eventually they're going to Eventually they'll be the restrictions that they put on a YouTube, on a TikTok, and on Instagram and on Apple podcast, all of the things that's going to happen. But right now you could say that they're turning a blind guy but we know better than that. You know, if they've shut down YouTube, what's what our free
speech anyway? On YouTube? If they if they stopped any irrational not let me say, if they stop people from actually giving their thoughts whatever doesn't fit the mainstream narrative. If they've stopped that on YouTube, why haven't they stopped it on everything else? And this is a worldwide thing, by the way,
Okay, what why haven't they stopped it on the other platforms? This is on purpose in my opinion, And they will, they will censor all of this, but just not yet because their goals haven't been completed, whatever those goals are. Yeah, and you go back to something David talks about all the time. It was August sixth, twenty eighteen, the real collusion
between the big tech censorship starting with info Wars. But they followed in the in the the later in the month with eight hundred other sites that weren't necessarily to the right or sharing much in common with them for wars except one thing, and they were They were anti and skept their anti surveillance state, authoritarianism, military industrial complex. Uh, they were skeptical of the of the warfare state. And I was simultaneous to the proper not thing that came out later
where they there was propaganda or not. Was this organization I think tied to a lot of the left wing Soros type money and Podesta type people as well. Yes, and that's that's a common thing. And so Billy was mentioning the you know, you got you got TikTok and it's still the wild West in so many ways. Do they do the same thing that they did with you. They got you on these platforms, then you start talking, then you start freely expressing yourself. Then you you know, you create a handle
that expresses those views. Then they have all of your dat and then they just curate like Tim like Tim Cook says, right, we're gonna curate. We're gonna curate the experience. So basically they get everybody over there, this is the truth, you get on it, and then they just remove these accounts. So then they control the narrative. It's it's kind of like a keto, right, use the other person's momentum against themselves. Very counterintuitive.
Plus they you know, they can allow these things to be said and they go, oh that was radical. You realize they radicalize the youth. So I don't. I'm thinking bigger pick. When I see headlines like this, this is where my brain goes like they're doing this isn't this is a message. I'm gonna do another sweep around this very esteam panel. And by the way, thanks again guys for joining me short notice, and thanks to David Knight and David Knight family and the crew and trusting me with this show since
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I'm scraping the barrel right now. No, I agreed with your points, Tony, and I just can keep coming back to this idea of why do they care so much to be more than indifferent to this topic? And I imagine they don't have all the information or a lot of the information we have,
which is an assumption of mine. But my mind goes off and says, I doubt they know about the belfour Declaration that was issued in nineteen seventeen, which was a public statement regarding the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine then, which was an Ottoman region which had a Jewish minority. And I bet they don't know that that was issued to Lord Rothschild. Lord Rothschild who went to Cambridge at the same time what you know it
as Aleistair Crowley. Then Aleistair Crowley is a topic of a very interesting book by William Ramsay and how he relates to nine to eleven in the New World Order. So it just all comes full circle to me. So I think in general, you're right. It just seems like a siop, Like if I can give you minimum information, can I still change your opinions in such a severe way that you take this position even though you don't have the full
information. So I like bringing the bal for decoration in. We're getting we're getting serious on our history here, miss er. You can find miss Anderson as a co host. I had to do a plug for William Ramsey. You know, well, he just deserving of one. If i'd have done, if I had hosted two days, i'd have had him on. I talked to him about coming next next time. I will bring William Ramsey on, folks. I just didn't have enough notice for him. Yeah, great,
great points though in some good history. This is this is you know, it's the history. You don't know. There's nothing new under the sun except the history. You don't know. To channel the thirty third President of the United States, Harry Truman, Charlie, any any final thoughts on on this topic, and maybe we'll do a little round robin here to round out the show. I'm still hung up on the fact that you are the Ron po Peel of gold and silver, the set it and forget it, just
waiting for your pocket fishermen. You know, listen, sham wow guy. Just for the record, I'm the sham Wow precious metal. That this brings me back to Yuri Besmanov of course, in this concept of ideological subversion and how it's a process and how it takes twenty years and it's cumulative, and you wonder about all of this stuff, how this next generation is being educated
or miseducated or dis educated however you want to look at it. And this is all kind of part of it, the new tech version of this, and it starts to it makes me think like this is the softening up of the minds of an entire generation, TikTok generation now. And if you give it twenty years and then another five years of destruction, and then you add a six week crisis, you break the brains of these people and you send them off into what he describes as the fourth stage. Normalization. And so
it's interesting to watch it. I mean, it's it's scary and hilarious and all those things too, but from like a like a like a guy with a clipboard and a white lab coat, and you just kind of watching this going, oh, I see where you guys are going with this is we're still in the ideological subversion of this group. Great, okay, great, get them to believe nonsense and okay, yeah, and then and like you said, it'll just kind of disappear. Right, we don't know the criteria
necessarily. You mentioned a thousand people entered from that'll be that's nothing. So you've got TikTok, right, you can't you reach like a million people? Can we do this with a million people? Do a million people think this? So it's it feels artificial, like it's made to have. It feels like they're testing to see what I mean. Obviously we know got into the news cycle. If it got into the news cycle by default, there's something wrong with it. So it feels very very made to happen. Let us
see what their results are to this. But also, Tony, to your point, what a perfect cul de sac to put some cheese at the end. Of lure a bunch of people in and then write down their license plates, you know what I mean, like who went for the cheese? All these Okay, let's make a note of the let's keep an eye on these people in the future. So it's sorting, you know, you feel like a sorting process of this, and you feel intelligence ties to it as well.
Like Billy said, they want TikTok to go away, they turn the switch. It's a different version of it, but it's serving a purpose right now. It's giving them a lot of information as to who's using it and what they're demographic is, and how do they think, and what are they like? And they're building a digital voodoo doll of all these people on TikTok and elsewhere, of course not limited to TikTok, and they're figuring out, you know, your digital twin, what do you like, what are you
into? What do you follow? Who are you? Should we be worried about you? Are you the type of person that's going to write? Are you the type person that's going to have a problem with the surveillance state? You know? So, so it's a good mechanism for them to, you know, before they turn the switch and make sure that you don't ever see
anything of relevancy on TikTok. It's a good way in the early stages of gathering information about who is actually consuming this information and then putting them in some sort of matrix where they can be followed for the next generation to see see what they think, see how they think, and what they what they're into. So, I don't you know, I think, as we all agree,
it's multi layer air here. There's a lot going on, and to me, it feels like some sort of ideological trap that maybe some of these people were walking into that they're going to get themselves on some lists that they didn't even know existed. So we'll keep an eye on it. We'll see where it goes in the new year. Do you see the trend continuing where we're going to be looking at future years having to deal with this state constructed
narrative of what terrorism is. You think we're going to bring this back? Yeah, it feels like, I mean, we're already starting to see the labeling of the largest threat to America is white national domestic terrorism, right, and so that terrorism catch all term has been very successful for a long long time, But now Unfortunately, it's now taking on more of a legal definition.
Now, if you're legally defined as being a terrorist, you are now a terrorist up on the homeland, and the homeland is a battlefield, and now you have no rights. So again, it's all fun in games when you're slurring and calling Trump a terrorist or calling your neighbor a terrorist or whatever. But there's also a legal component to this as well. When you get that domestic terrorist label slapped on you, legally, you have no rights anymore. Good luck, you're you know, you disappear. So I think that
this is a this is a term, this terrorism. It's so broad that it can be applied to all kinds of things. It's the perfect sort of apparatus for the state to use to go after people that can just mold it
like silly petty to whatever they want it to fit. They want it to fit you, it'll fit, it'll fit describing you as song as we just go back through your TikTok viewing history in your Facebook posts and your Twitter feed, and we find out and we build a case retroactively like Snowden talked about, to see what you were talking about in the past, and then that bolsters the case that they're making that you are now legally a domestic terrorist.
Of course you are. Look at all these things that you said about the government back in twenty nineteen. Amazing, folks, you're watching someone who's very much mastered their craft. This is Charlie Robinson. I have the pleasure of talking to this gentleman often. He's got a great show called Macroaggressions, and I love that breakdown. What do you call five conspiracy theorists who get together on a live panel? What is that? The news? Is that?
What the news? Thanks so much for that analysis, Charlie, very smart as always. Guard final thoughts on this as we kareene into the last hour of the last show of the David Knight Show of twenty twenty three. Yeah, and it's so great to be here all with you guys. And I think what we would call it is non existent in the eyes of the CIA, So let's just keep that in mind. We just don't exist, or
maybe we all are. But if I may, may I pose a question to you all to see because I've been sort of you know, I've been ruminating on this, letting the letting the fruit stew in my head. The fruiting bodies the fun guy. What if the release of the Midladen document or the promotion of this was done as a way to within the larger narrative book to turn to a new chapter in the narrative of switching things over to labeling
everyone an anti Semite. Now you are suddenly affected by the bin Laden document, This large percentage of gen Zers suddenly are praising a hero of bin Laden. Well, you don't have to call him a hero, you just say what did his argument actually contain any valid points? What did what did you discover? That very term monology itself is pretty darn weighted. But then we see with what hacked in on October seventh? And did did Did the Israelis
know about it? Well, they did have fore knowledge. Did they know about the date? We don't know. But and this is just pure speculation. I could be way off base here, but I do get a sense now just talking with you all, what if this were used to now they're no longer We're not hearing about black lives matter as much, we're not hearing
about this, We're not hearing about that. We've got this swing towards, especially with the immigration thing, towards this now international white nationalist United States. And you don't like Israeli either, your anti Semitic sort of thing, and you read the bin Laden document. So therefore we're gonna have to watch out
for you. It's the new war on terror and now it's Iran. I just don't know, and I'm just thrown out out there because I'm just thinking to my you know, I'm thinking of my off obviously thinking is that is that within the realm of possibility? Or am I just speculating too much? Well, it's very it's a very powerful weapon. Uh. You go back
to the Gulf War. Pat Buchanan was on the McLaughlin group, and he just happened to mention the fact that, you know, if we go to war in the Gulf, it's not going to be you know, the coastal elites kids, It's going to be people from the heartland. And I think he said it's gonna be guys named Leroy Brown and stuff like. It's not
going to be uh, you know, some coastal elites, kid. And he said, the only people that really want this war the military Industrial Complex and their amen corner and APAC, which is the American Israeli Political Action Committee or whatever they are. He was vilified for that. That seems quaint now, but that was that was you know, that was the original, like, oh, you're just anti Semitic, so that that could blanket term. They use that all the time. Now it's ad nauseum. I think it
you talk about real blowback. The blowback is they've used that term and they're using it into oblivion. It no longer has really any relevance anymore. It's not even about the true meaning of what's supposed to be anti Semitics. So I think I think you're right, though, Guard. I mean, it definitely gives them a short term strategy to any any movement that's anti war or anti state or anti narrative. They can delegitimize that by calling an anti Semitic
and lumping it into one thing. And this kind of gets them an early start. And they may have run this simulation with the Pentagon. Again, this hasn't been more than two or three years where the Pentagon was concerned and running running a war game against a gen Z Bitcoin revolt and gen Z you know, unplugging. Speaking of unplugging, this still just I don't want to not hear what Billy has to say as we as we close out the last hour of the last show of twenty twenty three, Billy, ray your thoughts
big picture that siop and you've pretty much given them. You got anything that that you want to discuss related to this before we close? I gotta turn your mic on, bud Uh can you here? You go? All right now? Pretty much? This is what it is. This is what it is, and this is what people need to need to really take seriously. There are only two real conspiracies that I can think of. Everything else is utter nonsense, right and and and I mean it, it is utter nonsense.
It might it might be surrounded by truth, but most of it is nonsense. But the mind control is real. That is real, and they're
doing it through the social media. And there's no mistake. I do think I forget who mentioned it on the panel, but I do think this is gonna go away as this bin laden story itself, I think it it'll uh, it'll play its its part and and and run and and go away largely, but it does play into a larger, a larger arena where younger people are changing the way they think and the culture creators the people who wage a fifth generation warfare on us, right, they're they're very aware of how to
manipulate those minds and how to colonize those minds through social media. That is mind control. If people think of mind control as sitting on a chair and and having a pendulum swim back and forth in front of their eyes, and or being being taken into some site and and then they do a Kanye West on you know, no like mind control comes straight out of your computer, it comes straight out of your cell phone, straight out of your television.
That is mind control. And this is what's going on here. Admittedly it can be proving and uh, and this is what we need to look forward to. And this is what we need to turn our attention to and and and zero in on if we're gonna make any headway, because it's gonna it's gonna become it's already dark, it's gonna become even darker, harder and harder
to navigate the waters and to see what's real and what's not right. And and to the point that I forget which I think was you, Tony or mister Anderson that brought it up, that that, uh, they had to put out a memo to see which which siop was real or not, which is probably a scio too. I don't right at this point, it's like what is real? And why are they doing it? You know, if
if? And And what turned me on to it is going back to the to the twenty sixteen election, how many fake profiles were were were created in order to on Twitter, you know, and on Facebook in order to to uh mold perception and get people to cast their it's in a particular way, you know. And and that hasn't changed in my opinion. You know, well it's not. It hasn't changed. It's only gonna get worse, It's
what I mean. So that's what we need to look forward to in twenty twenty four, more of that, and we we can't let ourselves be suckered in by it, even though it is incredibly difficult to not be engaged by it and not be brought in by it because they pull on your emotions. And when they pull on your emotions, they've got you, because your emotions are fully involved in it, and that's it. They've totally got you.
So it's very difficult to disengage. But that's it. He was he going as I had to let my crew and Wise Wolf was about to open here in Brands and so my crew was needing to get let in. That's agree. I agree with you on setting the stage to colonize them mind. That's what that was the that's what really grabbed me and you and I Billy. I think it was last year at this time, we were on the David Knight Show and we're talking about that famous, uh infamous. It was that
commercial that was put out by the Army Psychological Operations Units. And I think even you use some of that in the freeworld dot FM site where it has a little ghost, the ghost in the machine. It's like we can we create the reality. And that that's that's so important for people to realize, like, you know, think thinking for yourself. It's something that the late great Bill Cooper said, you know, over and over do your own research.
You have to go deeper. You have to think, you know, and step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself, am I call is my mind colonized? I'm sure it is on many levels. That's why it's so important to have alternative media. And then you know, the crew right here, look at this this panel that I'm on right now. What is just an absolute honor the great researchers, great thinkers, not not
a grifter one here the anti grifting zone. I was thinking, with it being the close of the year, we should end on some and positive motivational So I was going to run this one by you. I don't know if you've heard it, but it's something like shoot for the moon because even if you miss, you'll just puncture the projection screen because the Earth is flat. Just for a minute, just for one, just for a split second.
Actually, I thought you were really gonna do for like water cooler poster in a corporate hell hole, you know, I thought you were really going to do that, mister Anderson. All right, we got like I gotta do really quick, folks, Just guys on the panel. Tell people where they can find you. Miss Anderson doesn't want to be found. You can find them on Paratruther. Charlie, go ahead, tell people where they can find The new website is up and running Macroaggressions dot Io. You can go there.
You can find all of the information about my show Flashback Friday episode today that went out is where did all the people go? That was the number one downloaded Macro Aggressions episode of a time. That's a good rabbit hole. If people are interested in doing that, you can follow me on Twitter at
Macroaggressions. Thanks Tom, love it, God go ahead. Well, first off, big thanks, I noticed a bunch of people in the rockfinchat I haven't been able to check out rumble chat, but thanks for all the contributions for the show today and Tony, thanks for letting me join you on this last show of the day, last show of the year, and it's great to be here with all of you guys. Folks want to find me Liberty Conspiracy on Rumble and Rockfin every night six o'clock Eastern and check us out.
We're on for about ninety minutes. I do my work also for MRCTV a couple a couple videos and three articles a week. Go to mrctv dot org or check out their rumble, check out their YouTube, and then Gardner Goldsmith substack. One of the big deals maybe people might like is every Sunday we have the Sunday News Assembly and there's at least twenty stories that pertain to liberty, plus a bunch of contextual information that might allow us to take away some
longer term learning about freedom, economics, ethics, stuff like that. So that's over at stub substack and it's Gardner g R d n e R. So yeah, just visit, say hi, uh, say ny, whatever you want to say. I'd love to see it. And I really really am so glad to be here with you, Tony and all you you find cats says they shuffle us off to prison very soon. I want to be
in the same THEMA camp. It'll be interesting. Billy Ray closing thoughts where they can find you all that good stuff you got about the Infinite Fringe on Apple Podcasts. Find me there. Well, that's very well. And he's the host of America and Plug Folks, so you gotta find him on on rockfin r okay f i N dot com, America and Plug Channel the Infinite Fringe podcast. We're going to be putting together a UFO podcast here pretty soon.
Mister Anderson will join that. We'll see if we can find some others to join that discussion. That'll be fun. That that's Paratruther. You can find me at Ardeburn dot News and of course Wisewolfgoldensilver dot com. But use David Knight Dot Gold of David the credit. We certainly want to support this magnificent program. David will be back all new shows the whole new year, So I want to wish everyone a happy new year. It has been wow.
I mean I look back twenty twenty three, all the shows that I've done over here on The David Night Show, my own productions, and just trying to trying to make sense out of all of this has been an extraordinary task. And luckily I've got look at the people I can call upon. I'm a very fortunate individual. If I want to find out what's going on, I'm going to play the outro music here, and I am again honored to be here. It's such a great experience. I'll be back maybe next
Thursday. See you all about to bully on bitcoin the Apocalypse. We'll talk that with the Great David Knight. All Right, Happy New Year, folks, Appreciate you. End of transmission