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We tend to forget c behinds the midst of false indust revolution, which accelerates global change in much more comprehensive and faster ways since the previously revolutions. Here with Bill Gates at Davos Diversity Foster's new ideas, new ideas generate the experimentation needed to make the most of the Fourth Industrial Revolution. The purpose is clear

to collapse the liberal international order. Well, we always have to worry that a new epidemic is going to come along, flu epidemic that could go global industry revolution which impact our lives completely. The World Economic Forum has become a prominent organization in media. Meeting in Davos, Switzerland once a year, world leaders, celebrities, and elites gather to discuss the state of world affairs and the betterments of the world economy. Under the guides of helping the poor,

climate change and democracy. These elites meet in lockstep to influence the future global direction. The mystery man behind it all, Klaus Schwab, seen by many as a well connected figure whom is invested in the betterment of humanity, has publicly run ad campaigns for the WEF, popularizing the slogan you will own nothing and be happy. Many have raised concern over the agenda of the WEF not

being genuine and actually a mask for a totalitarian plot to world government. The real truth lies with the founder, Klaus Schwab, who if exposed to the general public, would be seen as an influencer in shadow government, with family ties to the Nazi Party through his father Eugene Schwab. Why the Eugene Schwab. Klaus Schwab's father was a machine engineer in Ravensburg, Germany, for a

German branch of a Swiss company called Eskerweiss and Sea Switzerland. Having historically deep ties to Ravensburg, Germany since the eighteen thirties due to the horse market, brings no question why roughly one hundred years later they would still do business. In nineteen thirty southern Germany. Eskerweiss and Sea became the largest employer in the region and was later complimented by Hitler as a quote national socialist model factory end

quote. Under Eugene Schwab's management during the war, the Eskerweis mechanical manufacturing company in Ravensburg went on to use for slave labour. Under the direction of Eugene Schwab as the company was contracted by the Nazi military for manufacturing weapons of war.

According to the National Archives under the Holocaust era assets there it shows business dealings with Eskerweiss and Germany, also stating that Switzerland allowed German exports to be stored in their country, further proving that Switzerland was not neutral during the Second

World War. Eugene Schwab would eventually be elected president of the Ravensburg Chamber of Congress and Industry in nineteen sixty six, stating that the founding of the committee creates better and faster connections for large circles in our inna increasingly closer Europe, and thus offers new opportunities for cultural, economic and social development. Klaus Schwab, son of Eugene Wilhelm Schwab and Erika Eprecht, was born March thirtieth,

nineteen thirty eight in Ravensburg, Germany. Klaus Schwab was encouraged to follow in the footsteps of his father and also became a mechanical engineer, studying at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and completing his study in nineteen sixty two. In nineteen sixty seven, Klaus Schwab attended the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, where he met Henry Kissinger, whom was his college professor.

The two formed a close relationship, and later Klaus Schwab professed that Henry Kissinger is amongst the top four most influential people in his entire life. It should allo be noted that in nineteen sixty seven, Klaus Schwab amassed influence in Swiss business, taking a lead in a merger between companies Solzer and Eskerwiss. Tapping into the former family business, he transformed Solzer Eskerweiss to a path of medical

technology products, something not previously on the agenda for the two companies. With the influence of Klaus Schwab, Solzer Eskerwiss would venture into the worldwide nuclear arms race and participate in a legal production of nuclear weapon technology. In nineteen sixty nine, the company dropped Edgar Weiss from their name and rebranded as Solzer ag. This more than likely was so there was no paper trail associated with the

former name affiliated with Nazi collaboration and illegal activities. January twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, Klaus Schwab founded the word World Economic Forum. The foundation is funded by one thousand member companies with more than five billion dollar turnover, as well as public subsidies. Their mission is quote improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global,

regional and industry agendas and quote. Klaus Schwab's inspiration for the formation of the WEF was the Club of Rome, which was founded in nineteen sixty eight at a residence in Bellaggio, Italy, owned by the Rockefeller family. The Club of Rome's general belief is that population growth is unsustainable for the planet and the only way to combat this is world government. The World Economic Forum has taken these ideas and modernized them and have even publicly published their idea ideas on

their website with their plan for sustainability and globalization. The ideas of carbon footprint and banning fossil fuels is only a ploy to track and trace civilians through the grid and cut off mobility, similar to the model of sidewalk labs. A study carried out by Google in Toronto as a quote smart city end quote for mass surveillance. This is the massed agenda that Klaus Schwab and the world economic form have for you and your family under the deception of the climate change agenda

and economic equality. Klaus Schwab refers to it as the fourth Industrial Revolution, which could be construed as a fourth Turning or a fourth Reich Revolution. Will impact our lives completely. It will not only change how we communicate, how we can use, how we consume. It will change actually us our own identity, and of course gives life to such policies and developments like smart traffic,

smart government, smart cities. What we will see is that everything will be integrated into an ecosystem, driven by big data and driven particularly by close cooperation also of governments with business, civil society. And since revolution will come at a race taking speed, it will be like a tsunami. The economic phone is doing is to promote since public private corporation to masters, sup for

citis to them. Many have disregarded the Nazis as being dismantled after the Second World War, the continuation of Hitler's ideas lives right underneath the surface for those who won't pay attention. Unlike Hitler, whose plan for world domination failed through force, elites like Klaus Schwab have proceeded with these same ideas through stealth. It is a big idea, a new world order, and now's the time

when things are shifting. We're gonna there's gonna be a new world order out there, and we are in the midst of one of the historic global transformations that is going to eventually lead to a new world order. Read my lips. Which nations administration do you most admire the level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around

on a diamond. Just like Hitler, who influenced the ideas of your young people through Hitler Youth, the World Economic Form is molding children of the elders' families through the WEF's Young Global Leaders Program, influencing future government leaders of the World Economic forms ideas of their global plan for sustainability. The Young Global Leaders Program here for executive education and the Schwab Fellows. But there are two countries

in the world now in which the young Global media leaders have emerged. Tell us just a bit about that in terms of the government. Yes, actually, this is notion to integrate young leaders is part of the economy going since many years, and I have to say, and I mentioned our names like this is welcome, even letting me a Putin and so on, say all

have been young global leaders of sabol they can before. But what we are very proud of now this young generation, like primunist Trudeau, President of Argentina and so on, repenetrates the cabinets. So yesterday at a reception for private Trudeau and I know half of CIS cabinet or even more half of half of siminor ah for our actually young nobody in Kent. These same elites who have graduated as alumni from the Young Leader's program serve in high places for generations to

come. While the public may believe that their vote matters, they would be shocked to find out that the agenda is the same regardless of political ideology. According to the form of Global Young Leaders, the alumni community consists of six

hundred plus members across ninety countries. Klaus Schwab's purpose and agenda for the World Economic Forum is to undermine and supersede the freedom of sovereign citizens by consolidating the powers and leaders of government to fall in line with the global agenda of authoritarianism. Every year, elites meet in Davos, Switzerland to discuss the future of

sovereign citizens. The elites claim they know what's best for humanity and feel intellectually superior to what they view as the peasant class, which separates the haves from the have nots. Attendees of these meetings range from all political parties, bankers, actors, and even musicians who share the like minded agenda of sustainability constructed by public private partnerships aka corporate fascism. This loophole through the corporation has created

a slave ship between employee and employer, consumer and business owner. Under the guise of corporate fascism, all human rights are disregarded and made to be under the jurisdiction of private business. Corporate fascism can also be seen as stakeholder capitalism, a system in which corporations abide by the terms of the highest stakeholders,

who lobby for their personal agenda through the means of the company. This means that elite leaders in power who hold private stock can operate and carry out their agenda through the private corporation in the shadow government. This agenda is exactly the plant being used by Klaus Schwab in the World Economic Forum, as you can only govern at the will of the people until the people's will has been stolen right from under them unknowingly. The plans of Hitler were unfathomable in comparison to

the scale of the world stage and the players involved today. Through stealth and crisis such as war, climate change, and economic equality, the plan for a sustainable earth, ruled by elites in the world government are made possible to be planned and carried out by the ideas exchanged through the indoctrination of the World Economic Forum. The past tells the future, and the more informed those can be about Klaus Schwab and his intentions through the World Economic Forum, the less

likely the human population will be coerced into a prison planet design. Though it may not seem like there's a controversy thee amongst nations, the very elites on the world stage involved are meeting behind closed doors, in public and in private, in front of all of us to be discovered. The World Economic Forum is the public face for the global agenda, and Klaus Schwab is the public face for shadow government and private public partnership worldwide. As crony capitalism lives on.

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Christians. He has been He's the founder of the Barne Group, a market research firm that has specialized and looking at what is happening to our culture and to Christians in general, the intersection of faith and culture. He's been doing this for quite a while. He's written a lot of books, and he's got a new book now talking about perhaps so what we can do about some of the worst problems and maybe really the core issue as to the direction that

our country has been going down. So I want to talk to him about that book, but also kind of get an idea of what he has seen with a front row seat since the nineteen eighties in our country. I thank you for joining us, George Barne. Thanks for join us. George, Yeah, thanks for having me on, David. Let's talk a little bit about that. Give people kind of we all see what is happening to our culture, this detachment for reality, this postmodernism and all the rest of this

stuff. But give us some metrics, let's say that you would have seen as part of the Barna group over the last few decades. Yeah, there have been a number of things that I've been tracking for about four decades. You know. One of those has to do with people's perspectives on truth. And what we've seen is a consistent deterioration of the notion that there is absolute moral truth, that there can be such a thing as absolute moral truth.

So that's a big issue because when you take that out of the equation, you've got to go somewhere to get your understanding of reality. And rather than go and search for any kind of absolutes, what we do is we turn inward. And that's what's happened in America is now rather than say that we

believe in God, basically what we do is we believe in ourselves. And so that's a big game changer right there as well, where we've seen a huge increase in the proportion of what I would call the don'ts, people who don't believe God exists, don't know if he exists, don't care if he exists. And you know, we're basically with our young adults, people under fifty, they represent close to a third of the population now, so that's a massive shift. We've seen a big shift in our morals the basis of

our morals. Of course, if there's no absolute moral truth, on what basis do we determine morality? Again, it's our feelings, And so that's a big shift. And now we're at a place where most Americans are confused about most major moral issues, whether we're talking about abortion, whether we're talking about divorce, whether we're talking about homosexuality, transgenderism, basis of personal identity, all of that has seen major shifts in the last ten to fifteen years.

I would say that we're a society now that really gears itself towards trying to achieve happiness. And that's the major goal of most Americans. We want to be happy. We do what we can to ensure that our children will be happy, and like that. And then of course you have to ask, well, why did all of these shifts take place? And so much of it is because of the influence and exposure to media, particularly arts and

entertainment media. And what I've found in the research that I've been doing is that the greatest influence on our worldview the kinds of decisions that we make comes from media influence. So whether it's movies or television, or social media or video games or whatever media you choose, that's having more influence than everything else combined in our lives as best I can tell. Even education, you would say, yeah, even more of the well yeah, well, it certainly

is visceral. And if people are just going to turn inward to their feelings, that's what they're going to pick up on. You know, it's kind of interesting as we look at this detachment from any idea of objective truth. It's gotten so bad that it reflects in our inability to even do or care about math or anything else like that. And you know, even our ender, our biological gender, we don't have anything that is objective. Everything is

subjective and whatever you want it to be. Even now we've got kids who are dressing up as furries. I mean, it's getting to an extreme that you know, all of my life I would looked at this and said, this is a parody. This can't be real. This is like something out of Babylon Bee. But that's the reality that we live in right now, isn't it. It really is. And so when you make your feelings the

basis of your reality. You know, the whole game changes, and so trying to reason with people becomes exceedingly difficult because Americans are less and less willing to consider, much less accept facts. An empirical argument doesn't have much of a basis in America today. Yeah, and that's really going to tear our society apart in every regard. I mean, how do you even do science engineering? It really was the understanding that there is a discoverable reality, a

discoverable truth that came. We had a lot of foundational scientists who were coming from that Christian perspective, Francis Bacon and many others, Isaac Newton, we can discover as God's truth, there is a reality here. Now we've taken God out of the equation and we've taken reality out of the equation. And

so it's going to affect everything. Even in our material society. The things that people are looking at to make them happy and comfortable, those things are going to disappear as well, because everything is hinged to that tell us a little bit about you coined some words that some phrases in terms of looking at this spir attainment. That's entertainment based there as well as a spiritual I guess

tell us a little bit about that and why you coined that word. Well, there was a time a couple decades ago when there seemed to be a movement to really try to integrate faith into entertainment, particularly the Christian faith into

entertainment. And so that term is the blending of spirituality and entertainment, recognizing that every entertainment vehicle conveys a worldview, and at that point in time, there seemed to be some momentum growing for the Christian excuse me, the biblical worldview being ingrained in more entertainment vehicles, particularly movies and television, but also an increasing amount of online entertainment, streamed entertainment that seems now to have diminished

over the last decade or so, so that momentum that had been building up seemed to fall off. So that phrase never really pick up much momentum, just as that approached entertainment development never picked up. It could be kind of applied to what we see in some of the big megachurches that have fog machines

everywhere. I always thought that the fog machine with an author contemporary worship was kind of a metaphor of something that was happening in those churches, but you know, they tried to pursue that entertainment aspect of it, and you know it didn't work out too well. I think it is. We've had a

couple of recent successes, and perhaps there will be some new movement. It's hard to win a culture war if you don't have a culture if you don't engage to them in certain ways, and so you know, we've had some fairly successful movies in the last couple of months. I don't know if that's going to be a trend or not. It's too soon to tell, isn't

it. I think it is. I think we'll probably always have one or two current examples of Christian based entertainment that do well because there still remains in our culture a pretty significant number people who really wrap their lives around their Christian faith. And so when those kinds of media vehicles are released, yes,

they'll find that audience. But in terms of building greater attentiveness and a greater appetite for that kind of entertainment, I don't think that's been done effectively, and we're not at a point where it appears that we can sustain that right now. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting because the other the standard Hollywood stuff has gotten so dark and so nihilistic that it's kind of collapsing in and of

itself. It's not really entertaining anymore. And you know, with what happened with the shutdowns of movie theaters and everything, I think they've had a hard time coming back, and it's just it's kind of just feeding on itself and there's not really any creativity there. It seems like there's a real vacuum in that area. But who knows what will happen with that, Which brings us to another one of the terms that you coined, sage cons tell us little

bit about that. Yeah, that's an acronym for spiritually active governance. Engaged Conservative Christians represent somewhere around eight nine, maybe ten percent of the adult population in America. And these are individuals whose lives are driven by their Christian faith.

And one of the unique characteristics about them is that they're very tuned into politics, not because they care about it, not because they have a natural inclination toward it, but because they recognize that their faith in Christ calls them to be involved in every dimension of society and to try to influence it for the cause of Christ. And so government is just one of those arenas.

But the result of that is that they not only pay more attention to news and information about politics and government, but they vote every chance they get, and they really try to understand the issues more than the average American would. And you'd say that is that increasing or decrease what you've seen lately? Are we getting more or less sage cons? Right, it's been stable for the

last five years or so. But as we look forward and project to what's going to happen in the population, we expect that number to be on the decline unless there is some kind of an awakening, spiritual awakening that's Bible base, that takes place in America in the next decade or so. We don't see that on the horizon, but you never know when the Holy Spirit's going to bring that kind of out pouring of faith. That's right, Yeah, that's what it's dependent upon. Now. So you're looking at you know,

the sage cons. They are going to be adults, probably a bit older. But as I said, you've been doing this since the nineteen eighties and a couple of decades ago, you kind of had an epiphany about what was really missing in terms of turning towards focusing on children. Tell us little bit

about that. Yeah, well, I've been doing a lot of research and continue to do a lot of research to the Cultural Research Center on worldview and once there are a number of startling things I think about worldview in America, one of which is how few Americans have a biblical worldview. It's four percent among adults right now, even less among young people, in spite of the fact that sixty eight percent of Americans consider themselves to be Christian. So there's

a huge disconnect there. A couple decades ago, as we were looking at some of the details of this, what we found is that a person's worldview begins developing between eight to fifteen to eighteen months of age and thirteen years of age. At the age of thirteen, a person's worldview is almost fully developed. Tell us a little bit before we go, tell us your definition of a worldview there, so we I mean, it's kind of self explanatory,

but maybe got something more specific. And then tell us you would say a biblical world view? Sure, yeah, everybody has a worldview. You need one to get through the day because you make hundreds and hundreds of decisions every day. You need a basis on which to make those decisions. And that's what your worldview is. It's the intellectual, emotional, and spiritual filter through which you make every choice that you make. It's the basis on which you

make the decisions. So it's based on your core beliefs about the world, about yourself, about life, and all of your behaviors come from those beliefs. And so the idea here is you do what you believe. So I do research, and a lot of people tell me they believe a lot of things. But I've learned that I can't just take that at face value.

If you tell me you believe something, then I have to find some behavioral evidence that you actually do believe that, because a lot of people say they believe a lot of things, but there's no evidence that that's the truth. You know, they act in contrast to what they say they believe. So your worldview is the conjunction of those two things, what you say you believe and what you do to prove that you believe it. And so there are

dozens of worldviews that people can choose from. One of those is what we call the biblical worldview. Now, the biblical worldview is based on Biblical principles and precepts, those kinds of teachings that we get from Jesus, those kinds of principles that are laid out for us in the scriptures. And when I say only four percent of adults have a biblical worldview, that means that only four percent of adults consistently believe what the Bible teaches and then display that in

their lifestyle. Why does that matter from a Christian point of view? It matters because we've been called to be disciples of Jesus, and what that means is that we're going to be christ Like. You demonstrate your Christ's likeness through your behavior, but you've got to have Biblical beliefs in order to have those

behaviors. So that's how all those things fit together. What we find is that about ninety two percent of Americans are syncretists, and what that means is that we've chosen not a single worldview, whether it's the Biblical worldview, postmodern theire'sm Eastern mysticism, nihilism. You know, there are many different world views to choose from. But what we do as a syncretist is we say,

I don't buy any of those lock stock and barrel. I'm just going to pick a few things that they believe that I like, they make sense to me, and I'm going to combine them with a few beliefs from other worldviews

as well. So, in other words, as a syncretist, you'll buy into postmodernism, you'll buy into secular humanism, You'll buy into Marxism, you'll buy into Eastern mystism, on and on down the line, taking bits and pieces from each of those and crafting a customized worldview that makes you happy, makes you comfortable, and gets you tracks to run on. Yeah, kind of do it o la carte, right, very much. So, Yeah,

that fits in with all the postmodernism as well. So you were talking about children and you said they start forming that worldview at what about fifteen months, just a little bit before Toddler, and then it goes up to thirteen. That's kind of interesting because so many societies have you know, looked at thirteen years old as the beginning of manhood or womanhood, you know, Barmitz for whatever. And that's not just in the Jewish society, it's in many

many societies. At thirteen, it's an interesting age, but we see that over and over again. Yeah, And of course, over the course of decades, we've had a lot of political leaders who, as they've been trying to figure out how can I stay in power for a longer period of time, have made statements about give me a child until they're seven and all rule of the world, you know, and give me a young person until they're

nine and they'll be mine for life. You know. So you've had people from Aristotle on down to Hitler and Stalin and now and Mussolini who have made those same kind of pronouncements for different purposes, but they've recognized the importance of childhood. The Catholic Church over the course of centuries has made similar kinds of pronouncements recognizing that importance. And that's why you have, you know, Catholic

education being such an important thing in the Catholic world. And so we've really dropped the ball on this. Yeah, I think we've really dropped the ball on that, you know, train up a child and the way he should go when he's older and not depart from it. Right, that's you know, Hitler understood that, Oh, it's that children don't understand that, right,

I mean Christians don't understand that, certainly. And you go back to the early chapters of the Bible, you go back to Deuteronomy six, and you've got a classic teaching there to Jewish families about you know what, it's your responsibility, parents, to take on the education of your children. So talk to them when you have the opportunity, when you're out on the road,

when you're having dinner, when you're spending free time together. You know, write these things on your foreheads, you know, post them on your wrists, put them over your door, post the things that matter. Make sure that you're always conversing to your children about these And I would say, yeah, that's certainly something that we in the Christian community in contemporary America have dropped. Yes, yes, yeah. When we homeschooled our kids, they

required us to create a name for our school. And so I said, well, let's call it the Parapetus Academy, because we'll do it parapetically. You know, we'll walk along with them in the way, in the same way that Jesus would do his disciples, and we'll point out as we're going through a life with them, the good and the bad of this and that, and try to put it in a perspective that the understand as Christians.

Yeah, and you know, that's one of the beautiful things about homeschooling is that you get to build that relationship with your children wherein they come to trust you, and you can have conversations on such a wide range of activities that both relate to academic subjects and that don't relate to academic subjects but relate to real life. And so, as we've done our research over the past couple of years, in particular, we found that homeschool children are the ones who

are most likely to grow up to have a biblical worldview. And it's precisely because parents have the luxury, if you will, of that time spent with their children looking at every aspect of life, not just worrying about addition and subtraction, but really trying to figure out what are the important life principles that I can convey to my children, sometimes through an academic subject, sometimes not.

Yes, yes, and they have sacrificed to do that, but it's that very interaction that they have with the kids that is their true reward. So it is kind of an interesting way that this works itself out if you've got your priorities straight. So from fifteen months to thirteen years, they're establishing

their worldview. And then what happens well during the teen years and through maybe the mid twenties or so, what we find is that it's a period of time where now that the worldview has been developed, young people are trying to figure out how to articulate it, how to implement it, how to refine

it so that it work most effectively for them in any given situation. In the course of that period of time, that fifteen year period or so, they're also sometimes changing some of their worldview, beliefs, and behaviors based on the ways that they're trying to articulate and implement it. But then what we find is from the late twenties on through sometime in the sixties, typically people just accept what they've developed during those earlier years and they actually become evangelists.

Most Americans, though, don't evangelize for Jesus. They evangelize for themselves. What they're trying to do is to get other people to buy into their beliefs and behaviors. Because if somebody else embraces your worldviewer elements of it, you feel better about yourself. You feel like you've proven that you got it right.

And then when we get into our mental life eight sixties, that then becomes the final worldview era of our life, when we sit back and examine how we did and we asked the question, gee, did we get it right? Could we have done it better? And at that stage most of

us I'm in that stage. Now, you know, we're grandparents or some of my you know peers are great grandparents, and so we're thinking about, okay, with our grandchildren and great grandchildren, should we be teaching and preaching and modeling something different than we had earlier in our life because now we can see, yeah, we kind of blew it in this aspect of our worldview. We still have a chance to get it right and to pass that on.

Yeah, that's a very interesting perspective. There's four stages there. And now your newest book, and you've written about fifty books at your newest one, which just came out Labor Day, is raising spiritual Champions, nurturing your child's heart, mind, and spirit. Tell us a little bit about the book and and the message that it's giving people in terms of how do you

do this? Everybody's looking for how to book, but a bigger you know, a larger perspective, I'm sure is what's involved in It's not just a step by step program. But tell us little bit about that book. Well, the book is based on seven original research projects that we did across the nation trying to understand parents and churches and adolescents and teenagers. We even did a study, a content analysis study of the most popular media that children are

exposed to. The television programs they watch consistently, some of the streaming programs they consistently are exposed to, those types of things. What I was trying to do in the book was to give us an understanding of what's happening in parenting today. What does the Bible exhort us to do as parents, and how can we get closer to that Biblical model of parenting given the existing culture

in which we're being called to raise our children. So it's kind of a full orbed approach to understanding all this why because as parents we have the primary responsibility to raise up our children, and how are we supposed to raise them? We're supposed to help them to become disciples of Jesus Christ. So the book is geared towards helping parents understand what does it mean to be a disciple? How do you disciple a young person? How do we know if we're

doing that well? What are churches that are doing it well doing? Because I want to be part of that kind of church. Most churches are not doing it well, as it turns out, but we found out that there are some that are doing it properly, inappropriately and effectively. What kind of church should you look for there? And you know, ultimately, how do

you know when you're hitting the ball out of the park that's great? Give us an example of something that you see that is in contrast to what is a good practice, a biblical practice versus what is a common practice with parenting? Well, a common parenting practice in America today? I characterize as outsourcing. And as I did the research, I discovered it's not with mal and ten that parents are throwing up their hands and saying I don't have the time

and I don't have the expertise to do this. It's because they love their children so much that they're saying I don't have the time, and I don't have the expertise, So let me do the best thing I can for them, which is higher experts that I want to bring in and let them raise my child for me. And so what we do is we bring in experts in education, tutors, we bring in experts in athletics, coaches, we bring in experts and spirituality, children's pastors, we bring in experts in various

hobbies and extra curricular activities. You know, all of these experts that we hire to do what we feel I'm really not sufficiently first to know how to do it, and I'm working hard to make the money to hire these people. So i don't have the time to do it. And I've got other interests than my children that I feel I need to engage in for some kind of self care, you know, get myself a break, lower my anxiety levels. That's why I don't have the time. So that's the way that

parents are approaching it now. The biblical model is actually quite different. The Biblical model says, when you have children under the age of thirteen, this is a season of sacrifice for you. So get used to maybe not working as many hours, get used to not doing everything you can to get the promotion, to get the raise, you know, to start your own company, to do whatever the things that are going to take the most time and

energy and effort on your part. This is the time where you put most of your energy and effort and expertise into raising up your child to be a follower of Jesus. And so your schedule is going to look very different, and in fact, what you do during the day is going to look different. Number One, you've got to have a plan for how you spiritually develop

your child. If that's your chief goal during these years, don't go about it willy nilly, just haphazardly hoping that something good is going to happen with their faith. And maybe if you just bring them to church services often enough and church events, it's all going to work. It's not the church's job, it's your job. The church is there to support you as you do that, and that's the kind of church, by the way, that you

need to be looking for. You talk more about that, but it's on your shoulder to be doing that task, and so you've got to have a plan. It doesn't happen by default. People do not become disciples of Jesus by accident, and with your children during those first thirteen years. The foundations that you put in place or don't put in place, are what's going to determine to the largest extent whether or not they ever become disciples of Christ.

Yeah, that's very true. You know, when I have talked to for a long time to people about homeschooling, I frequently what I hear from them is, I just don't feel qualified enough, just as what you're talking about. They're trying to outsource this to somebody else that they feel is going to

do a better job with math or this. And of course, you know you can pull in there's so many experts that are available but have classes on this that you can pull that in and they can do that, or you can set up some kind of a co op thing or something like that. But it really is born out of this feeling that they're not up to the

task. And we would always tell people, you only got to keep a couple of steps ahead of this kid, even if you didn't do well in school, you just got to keep a couple of lessons ahead of them, and you might learn some stuff that you never learned in school because you didn't like school, and you know, but the key thing is from a Christian perspective, is that God gave you these kids, and so he also gave you the ability to do what is necessary. And I think that's the key

thing. And it's that relationship that is there that is lost. As you point out, that's a great term outsourcing it to other people because you think other people can do a better job of this or that, and then you miss that time with a kid. You spend all your time doing shuffling them from one of these activities, from one expert to another, and you know, you just become kind of a soccer mom type of facilitator or chauffeur. You don't really ever have that time with them. I've seen that as well

as I've been growing up. That is an excellent way to describe it, outsourcing. I think tell us a bit. I'm sorry, go ahead, you know, and just to tag onto that one of the great dangers of outsourcing is that often those people are introducing different worldview perspectives to your children than you want them to have. So they might be a great soccer coach, but there may be things about anger and about treating other people and thoughts about

money, you know, growing up to be a professional soccer. But I mean all these other ideas that are being introduced to your children that are ones that the Bible might not agree with. And so when you hand your children over to these other authority figures, you're handing over your authority at the same time. And that's a great danger. Yes, that is really true. Yeah you want it. That's how we get the the Oli Kart syncretism right

exactly, with all these different forces that are there. You were talking about church, and so you know what, what kind of church is a good church that's going to support the parents. So many times I look at churches and they have so many activities that they've got set up. And I often think about a cruise that I went on with our family. It was Karen's parents fiftieth anniversary, and want to take everybody on a cruise. It was a Disney cruise and we get on there and yeah, this is a family

cruise. So it's like, okay, what activities do you have for the family. Well, we'll put a bracelet on the kids and we'll take them over here, and we got all kinds of stuff and then you know, you can do these things, and it's like, no, no, what do you have for us to do together? They didn't have anything for us to do together. They said, well, nobody has asked us about that

before. Yeah, you take this family cruise and you could outsourge your kids over there to be entertained and babysit and whatever, and then you could go through these other activities. And it's like, no, we don't want to do that, but it tells it. And so when I look at churches, many times I see that type of thing happening in the churches. What is the kind of church that is most effective at supporting parents and their task.

Yeah, one of the things that I try to get Christian parents to do, or any parents really if they're going to engage with the church, is to recognize, you know what, the single most important ministry in the

entire church is the ministry to children. Because if what we're there to do is to build up somebody's faith, develop that faith, reinforce that faith, release that faith into the world, all of the foundations for that happened before the age of thirteen, and so what's going on in the children's ministry is the single most important ministry in the church. So when you go to a church, don't go they're saying, Gee, I hope they make me happy,

you know. I mean, frankly, what our research has found for the last forty years is that adults don't change. You know, So you're going to go in believe in what you believe, you're going to come out pretty much believe in the same thing. We did a longitudinal study track people over thirty plus years and found that the worldview adults doesn't change. Most Americans do with the same worldview that they had at the age of thirteen. And

so, you know, let's look at that children's ministry. What do you want to look at? Number one, take a look at the children's pastor. One of the pieces of research that we did for this book was with pastors across the country. What we discovered is that seven out of every eight children's pastors do not have a biblical worldview. You can't get what you don't have. And so when children are going to seven out of eight children's ministries,

they're not going to be taught biblical truth. They're going to be taught stuff. What that satisfies the needs of the ministry? What are the needs of that ministry. Well, parents are saying, you know what, I want my child to be safe, I want my child to be happy. I want my child to be around some good kids, and I want them to be exposed to some kind of religious teaching. And that's about as far

as it goes. You know. We know when we talk with senior pastors across the country, again a majority of whom do not have a biblical worldview, We ask them, how do you know if your church is healthy and successful? They said, Oh, we measure five things. How many people show up, how much money's raised, how many programs we offer, how many staff people we get to hire, how much square footage we've built out. Look, I'm a measurement guy, so I'm glad they're measuring something.

But as a measurement guy, I know you get what you measure. Yeah, So when those are your measures, what you're going to get is a megachurch, a place that's well marketed. But keep in mind that Jesus didn't die for any of those five things, So those shouldn't be the key measures

that we're looking at. So when you're looking for a children's ministry, look for this stuff that matters to Jesus, because if it matters to Jesus and it matters to the Church, that's what they're going to be sharing with your child. Oh that's great advice. So you know, it's time with the kids. There is no there is no substitute, you know, quantity with the kids. There's no substitute in terms of quality, in terms of outsourcing

the kids. And it's very important that you understand who is going to be holding their heart at various times, right, and that that really is the key thing. I think people need to think of it that way. You know, if you think of somebody holding something as fragile as a heart, and you don't realize that that is really what is happening at these very tender ages, is very very malleable. And it's kind of interesting that you point

out that the worldview of adults really doesn't change. Of course, we were told that, you know, I believe it because in the Bible, but your research has borne that out. So it is interesting because we do have people who've had some exceptions to that. I guess that would be the exceptions that have had a very difficult upbringing, but God has stepped into their life and worked in a way to radically change them. Right, But that's really

the exception, would you say? It is the exception. And one of the interesting things I did, actually the biggest study I've ever done, was on that very thing. And what I found is that there are the way that people change is God allows them to go through a crisis. You know, we tend to think of a crisis as something to avoid at all costs. It's painful, we don't want to endure it. And yet God uses crisis to get our attention and to shake us up enough to reconsider some of

the basic foundations of our worldview. And what I discovered is that there tend to be six different crises that are most common that are effective at shaking us up enough that yes, we can move more and more toward having a biblical worldview. You know, an ugly divorce, that the painful death of someone who is close to you that you loved, contracting or a debilitating illness or having some kind of debilitating injury, losing all of your possessions, and a

natural disaster, spending time in prison, and going through personal bankruptcy. Those six things represent a majority of the crises that have enabled people to get to a place where God could continue the transformational process in their life, and they moved away from a secular mindset and heartset more toward a biblical mindset. So yeah, it's possible, you know. And that's the hope that parents need who blew it with their young kids, you know, because it's never over.

If you're just hearing this and you're saying, oh my gosh, my child is fourteen, sixteen, and eighteen, you know, what do I do now? It's like, okay, don't give up hope. By the keep in mind that the papleship is a relationship. It's a relationship with Jesus first, and it's a relationship with another disciple, somebody who wants to bring you into that relationship with Christ. So it's all about relationship. What do you do with that relationship? You invite that other person on the journey with

you. It's not somewhere you give them homework, and Simon saying, go and learn these verses, go and figure out how to make this reel in your life. Or so like, hey, let's check this out. Let's see how this works together. You know, we'll read the passages, we'll talk about the passages we'll go and we'll we'll exhibit the passages in our lives. That's how discipleship works. How do we know that because that's what Jesus

did. Yes, yes, well that really is true. And you know when you're talking about that through crisis and through pain, that that's what C. S. Lewis said. You know, God speaks to us through our pain. And actually I think you use the analogy of you know, the blows of a sculptor changing us in our life. Wants to go through that.

But it is a really loving process. And I think we go back and we look at the crises in our lives as I'm about your age, and we we're in the review stage here, and we look at the most difficult times in our life. That was the time when God spoke to us and moved us in a different direction. Yeah, that is true. And our tendency is to try to restore everything to quote unquote normal. Yeah,

that's right. Well, often the reason that we're having the crisis is because normal ain't working for us to be willing to say, Okay, this might be a great opportunity for me to rethink this a little bit. That's that's the direction God may be pushing us. That's true. And when I look at the some of the discussion points here about your book, embrace an eternal perspective, properly define what a successful life is. That's one of the key

things. You know. If God is going to you know, as you point out, if the normal is not working for you, maybe He's got a new nor normal for you. It's going to change what you really want and how you define a success is not just simply being comfortable maybe as something else isn't it? It is? And you know, for those parents who are trying to get a handle on okay, okay, but where do I start with all of this? I feel overwhelmed. I'm not a thee elotion.

I don't know where to start. One of the greatest discoveries I feel that I've ever made out of the data, you know, I feel like Isaac Newton. Here is a really late one that is like one or two in the morning. I'm playing with data. And one of the things I found is there are seven particular beliefs that fit together and can serve as a

great Biblical worldview foundation. What the data showed is if you embrace all seven of these very simple biblical perspectives, and you try to carry them out in your life, you'll have an eighty three percent probability of going on to develop a complete biblical worldview. If you reject any one, one or more of these seven I'm calling them the cornerstones of the biblical worldview. If you reject one or more of the cornerstones, then you've got only a two percent probability,

wow, of a biblical worldview. That's how important these seven elements are. And you know when people hear them, you know, devoted Christians laugh, Come on, that's Sunday School one on one. Yeah, but apparently most people didn't pay attention during Sunday School one on one. That's why he's turned it fifteen months. That's right. Tell the real quickly what they are.

I'm dying enough. Yeah. I mean. Number one is you not only believe that God exists, but you know that in terms of his nature and character, he's all, all knowing, all loving, you know, all powerful, he's perfect, He's just He wants to be involved in your life because he created you, because he wants to love you. He wants that relationship. He knowing, there's that kind of God who's perfect and just, holy and so forth. That's great. But cornerstone number two but recognize

that we're born as sinners. We sin throughout our lives. We're born into that approach, and every choice we make has consequences, and our sins have eternal consequences. And so cornerstone number three is recognizing that the only real antidote to that consequence, the negative consequence of our sins, is Jesus Christ.

So what we can do is acknowledge that we're sinners, you know, own up to it, fess up to it, ask him to forgive us for our sins, and most importantly, truly repent, genuinely repent, which means that not just I'm saying, yeah, give me, you know, eternal fire insurance, but it's saying, I really feel remorse over the fact that these choices of mine, these sins, break God's heart. I don't want to do that more so, God give me the strength to fight back the

temptation to keep sinning. Cornerstone number four is saying that you know what we know what those sins are because God gave us his word, He gave us principles for life. So he identifies sins, He identifies the right way to live, He identifies what gives him and us joy. And cornerstone number five is saying that, and the Bible, in the course of doing so, gives us absolute moral truths. And so it's not based on our life conditions. It's not based on our feelings, it's not based on our situation,

it's not based on what's most popular or most common. God has given us absolute moral truths, and when we reject those, we will reap the consequences of what we've sown through that rejection. Cornerstone number six goes to what you were saying, recognizing what success life is, and the Bible tells us that. God makes it very clear that success is not about money. It's not about cars, it's not about the trophy, spouse, you know, any of that kind of stuff, fame, et cetera. It's simply about being

consistently obedient to God. You can be a homeless person wearing rags, not knowing if you're going to get another meal, but if you're consistently obedient to God, you are a success in life, not in the world's eyes, but in God's eyes. And then the final one is understanding that when God created you, he loved you, and he gave you a purpose for life,

and that universal purpose that all of us share. There's a unique purpose he'll give to each of those who are following Jesus, but that universal purpose each of us has is very simply to know, love and serve God with all our heartlind, strength, and soul. So when you put these seven things together, it completely changes your understanding of how life works, who you are, why you're here, how to live, how to gauge whether or

not your life is making the difference that God wants it to make. And yet those seven things are very easy for us as parents to wrap our arms around and to be able to share those with our children and to go on a journey with our children pursuing those seven things. And as you were alluding to, you know earlier, the way I say it to parents is, look, you don't have to be a theologian. You only have to be ten seconds ahead of your kids. And if you are, this is going

to work. It's going to work. Great. Invite them on the journey with you. That's right, Yeah, yeah, If you can outthink that fifteen month old, say a few steps out of them. You got it made and God will give you what you need to do that. You know, He always does equip us for the things that He assigns to us.

And that's that's the key thing, stepping out in faith. And we've had a lot of people have to do that over the last couple of years when they were confronted with things in their own life that we're going to be shut off to them if they didn't violate their conscience. And so I think that may have been a difficult time of training for many people in our society.

And so that makes me very optimistic about the future because we've had a lot of people who have been under the sculptor's chisel over the last few years and came through from the other side and to this new normal. They've got a very different perspective after having gone through that. Well, that's certainly a sage

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And I have seen this over and over again. You had Rodreyer said he had his friend's parents who had been in Stalinist, Russia, were getting very upset. They said, this is exactly the same stuff we saw in Russia. This is exactly the same stuff she saw in China. And we need to understand where these people are taking us. And we need to understand what their tactics are. So joining us now is she Van Fleet. Her book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. Thank you so much for joining us,

Thank you for inviting me. And you came to prominence. I mean, you were just kind of living a quiet life here in America, and you came to prominence in loud in Virginia because you were speaking out against some of the things that you saw in school. You said, this is exactly what I saw as a child growing up in China. This is the communist tactic. Tell us a little bit about Yeah. Of course that was something

that I was not prepared for. So I went to school board and thinking I'm just doing my duty and have no idea that my video of envirol. Same time, I was shocked to find who few people know anything about communism and fewer people know about the Culture Revolution, And say, that's why I say that people have no idea what Walkie is. They thought it's something new,

they thought it's just oh the left the wind praising. But for people who experienced culture Revolution and who lived down to communism, you don't have to experience the exactly what I experienced. The Chinese culture revolution. If you live under communism, it's we recognize it instantly. This is communism, That's what

Andrea was saying. He said, the people who have lived under it, whether you know it was Russia or China, they can smell it a mile away, because you can't, Yes, you can't not look the other direction.

I was surprised because we adopted our daughter from China. I was surprised when we went there about fifteen years ago that to see all these pictures of now everywhere, because I knew the uh, the hardship that people going through, how many people had died, the cultural revolution, all these other things. I was surprised to see him still essentially revered. Uh. But but we do that, don't we, in various kinds. Yeah, and the marks you know, the really the evil genius that his idea, a toxic

ideology, led to the deaths of more than a hundred million people. He was still has has been revered by this uh left, and by the professors and the university and the students there as well. So yeah, because this ideology has never been public trialed and denounced. And uh, that is the

problem. And that's why your book is very important. Tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up as a child and the cultural revolution did did you get sent out into the rural areas and every think as they were doing. Yes, Yeah, it a long history and it's complicated and it's I do my best to just make it sure and still, you know, makes sense. Okay. So I was in my second semester of the

first grade when culture revolutions started in nineteen sixty six. So I had one semester of more or less normal education and then the and I remember very little, but I do remember, you know, in the reading class we were learning sentences that just describing nature kind of peaceful, kind of memorable, and a normal kind of thing. And then that was it. That's the only

thing I remember. And then heading on to the second semester, that's when the culture revolution started, and pretty much immediately the school was closed because all the principles and teachers were ulstered by the students because they were they become the target of the cultural revolution, because MAO condemned all all of them as counter revolution reactionary intellectual authority, meaning they were the enemy of the state should be

austered. So the students turned against their teachers, and the school were closed, closed for me two years and for other places as far as long as four years. No school, total chaos, and so we as little kids and nothing to do, so we went to the streets every day. And then what we witness is the unfolding of the cultural revolution, of the struggle, sessions parade, of those people being denounced and the Red Guards debated each

other and pretty soon and canceled culture. Definitely uh smashing of statues and uh taking down anyside sign boards of school, of stores that were traditional anything that is not communist or revolutionary. We're all uh smashed and destroyed, and pretty

soon turned into violence. You know. I did an interview not too long ago with an individual who wrote a book about a Project Veritas whistleblowers experience in corporation and how they were pushing you know, this critical race theory and things like that, and he was very upset about it. He was black, and he was still upset about it. He didn't like it, and so he started taking notes and then he became a whistleblower for Project Veritas and he

wrote the book. I want to talk to the guy who wrote the book with him, and really for him. He was saying, Yeah, you know, all this stuff that's happened in critical race theory and all the rest of this stuff, people want to call it Marxism, it's not Marxism. It's like, well, it is Marxism. It absolutely is in so many different ways. I couldn't believe it when we said that. I didn't really, you know, get into it with them because I really wanted to find

out this guy's experiences. But you know, it really is purely Marxism. Talk about the struggle sessions and people can understand if they understand some of the specifics of these things and what does struggle session look like, they'll start to see how it aligns with what we're seeing here in the United States. Yes, yes, but I want to add to what you just said. Too many people. I'm not talking about people on the left, I'm talking about

conservatives. Still, we don't have enough people understand the nature of Fokism. It is a pure cultural Marxist Marxism, and it's pure Maoism. And that's why I call my book Maus America. It is Maoism with American characteristics. And that's why I don't like to use the term woke. I mean, first of all, these people are not awake, they're not conscious of what's going on. And the people who use that term, that's another trick that

they do. And they come up with their own labels for themselves and their labels for you, and we must not use those labels because that's what propaganda too. The ccp U is the same word. Did they really? Yeah, they did, they did. And in Chinese it's called the g wu meaning awakening inside you a consciousness. And we have to raise our class consciousness

and see everything in terms of class. And so any way, anyone that somehow run against the party narrative is casted as the enemy of the state or the black class, and that you always want to do anything to remain in the red class, which is the allies of the revolution. And constantly everyone has to raise their class warkness or consciousness no same terminology. People, of

course, they don't know because they never learned the history. Okay. I think it's interesting in this country too, that they got everybody to agree with.

Okay, we've got the Red States and the Blue States. It's like, no, the Blue States approaching Marxism socialism, the Red States, the Red is all always been the color of the communists, as you just pointed out, Yeah, exactly, and so they for you that to muddy the water, to confuse people, and you got people out there saying, yes, we're the red state where the I know, I am so disgusted with communism, but for the longest time, I don't want to wear innocent red

because that just reminds me of communism, of revolution, of blood, of violence. And then come here, okay, you know we are you know, the public hall is red. But then I found out the Democrats did the switch because they don't want to associate with uh Communism, which is exactly what they what they are anyway, So now I wear, I embrace red because now I'm conservative because stuck with the color red, we just have to

make the best offer. I just try to avoid that term and that red and woke as much as I can, because and you know, if you got I can you look at Antiphi. I got a friend who was in Germany and he says, you go back to the nineteen thirties. They haven't even changed their flag. They had the same flag in Germany in the nineteen thirties that they've got now. And so yeah, it is amazing how they just import this stuff over because Americans don't know their history and they don't know

what has happened in other countries. They just they swallowed hook line and sinker. So tell us about the struggle sessions. Yes, strago session? What is Straugo session? And actually I'm going a little deeper what that really means. A struggle session is a term and the use not just doing the cultural evolution. It started as soon as the communists took over China in nineteen forty nine, and then one of the major campaigns they launched is called land reform.

Land reform is the what communists did to fulfil their promise to the peasants who support their revolution that they're going to give the free land to them. All right, that's okay, yeah, and I got some free gift for you here. Okay, good good, yeah, okay, So they here listen to it. How do you get all the peasants together and fight the

landlord in order to get their land? Mhm. To raise the class consciousness because they the peasants did not know such a thing as a class that was an alien to them, So they have to be taught and just like DEI training, So the Communists trained the peasants and told them you are poor, not because you did not work hard, not because you are not smart. Mm hmmm. And we're seeing that now in terms of reparation is because de

agree that. You know, there they used and in Europe they used class, and that doesn't work here in America because you know, nobody really saw themselves as being a different class, but they did see themselves as being a different race, a different skin color. Yeah, so that's what they focused on, and that's why there's been so much focus on white privilege and all the rest of stuff, and why you know, the reparations is really very

much like the promises of land reform. They even go back and say, well, you know, after the after slavery, you're supposed to get you know, an acre and forty mules or something like that. Or you know that they actually make these figns of analogies. Yeah, yeah, same idea. But anyway to raise your class to be woke. It's the condition to have a revolution. And then the peasants find on they said, okay, we are poor. They were taught we they are poor because the rich explored

explored it and oppressed them. So now now everyone now there are two classes. There's a black class, there's a red class and their enemies. And then the goal of the red class to is to eradicate the black class. So that is the beginning of the political identity. And that was the saying that the CCP used to permanently divide American other Chinese people. Okay, going back to the h So the struggle station started in their land reform in nineteen

forty nine to nineteen fifty one. The same formula they absolutely the Yeah, the same tactic is the landlord or the rich peasants will be struggled against like a public trial, and the peasants would condemn them, and the peasants were coached to retell their suffering and then blame all their suffering, all their problem to the landlord and then an end. And then they they were saying, what we will do with the landlord and our death to the landlord, and

then dragged out and executed. And that's how it started. And during the Culture Revolution, the enemy has shifted. It's no longer the landlord and the rich peasants. They become those in power, meaning those were the CCP bureaucrats or the CCP leadership. Why because mau felt like he was no longer in control of his party and who wanted to purge everyone. He can't purge everyone because that would look like he was after his own party. He had a

better idea. He mobilized all the young people from his government schools and his universities. Those were called the Red Guards. So they took the mobilized the Red Guards, gave them power, pure power, and dismantled the police and the law enforcement. And no one can stop them. Anything they do was justified. Thing they do has no consequences. So they went after those in power, all levels of the government, from the village to the central government.

So that is what the Red Guards did. Struggle session is I witnessed the struggle session for the governor of my province. So because the governor was pretty tall, so they got two basketball players, two to hold him on the stage, and so to make the governor look small. And then the Redguards have a love speaker and denounce him, and so then people shout slogans. And during that particular struggle session, I did not see violence, but

he was beaten. He was struggled against she. He probably went to like a hundred of this kind of a struggle session. And his wife was also part of that struggle sessions. And during one struggle session, they pulled the red guards, pulled all her hair off, and eventually she committed suicide. So that is a and there is a violent struggle session that people were beaten to death right on the spot, and they were my older which is just verbal abuse. That's what I looked at. But that's not it. It's

not just strugglesession is not something against denounced enemy. Struggle session really really means struggle against yourself. And in the CCP's world is a criticism and self criticism. As a young kid, I went through, it's a routine. It's every week there is a political study and then we have to read some of the mouse quotations and then we carry out this self criticism and self criticism. So each kid will say whatever the person, you know, the kid did

not do well enough according to MoU's instruction, So you denounce yourself. Wow, And we see that today. We see that today that kids have to denounce themselves because of their you know, their gender, you know, uh, and and their normality or whatever that we would say, or their skin color. It's exactly the same thing that you see that. Yeah, so you denounce yourself and then you denounce your classmates. So we go around and

round around. You say, okay, I did not do this right, you know, of course we did not say we have privilege, you know, just say well, we're not up to mouse instruction and we should do better, and then say so. And so that day I saw you say this, and I saw you act like that, and that's not right. So it's that is really the core. It's not those kind of a public trial. It is at every level, every person is involved in struggle session.

So that's exactly what we're seeing now. Ei, you denounce your privilege if you're white, okay, and then and you swear that you'll do better, right, and then you denounce your coworker who you heard saying this and that, And that's absolutely the same thing. Oh yes, I remember the testimony of a young girl who was pressured into gender mutilation of and surgery and things like that, and she said, you know, I got into this

group because and I forget what it was like. It was some pop group that she liked or some game that she liked or something like that, and so just a special interest group. But everybody that was in it was into this type of struggle session thing. She didn't call it that, but she said, you know, they were all leftists, and you know, and I was just heterosexual, and I was white, and I had to denounce myself to be a part of this group. And so I started denouncing all

that. It wasn't enough to just say, okay, you do whatever you want. I had to hate myself for that, and I had to make these confessions to them. That is what they're doing to all the kids. It's amazing how they have very insidiously and subtly and undercover inserted all of these

psychological tactics that were used by mouth in America. It's amazing, of course, because people have no idea because they don't know history, and people like me, it sees thro right away because it's the same, absolutely the same thing. So you can't be just not a racist, right you have to be anti racist? Yes, yes, yeah, so exactly the same idea. Yes. Tell us a little bit about the cancel culture, of course, which is tied with that as well, and the need for them to

destroy statues. We just saw this fetishized destruction of a robberty lea statue, and you know, they took up, you know, a very high quality video of them melting it down, all the rest of stuff. This is a very very important thing for the communists to take down statues and to raise the culture that's existing there. Yeah, the goal is to erase past period. Hencel culture is really too. In China, it's called a destruction of the four old Old idea, old culture, old habit, old custom.

Anything that is traditional, anything that is a pre communist communist regime has to be erased, has to be destroyed. And you start with something very symbolic, right, anything that is everyone can see. And then what you do, You go and destroy the statues. And so in China we do not have many public statues as in the West. Most of them were religious statues such as uh in the in the Buddhist temple or in church. And that's what they went after they destroy all the statues and UH. And that's not

it. They changed their names of everything that is not traditional, that is traditional, such as institution names, store names, food brand sounds familiar, Yeah, exactly. Names we're deep into this. We're deep into this, aren't we. So the four oles old ideas, old culture, old habit what was the fourth one? And old customs old customs. Interesting Now it's

just the civilization of China. Yeah, it all has to go. Why because if you want to install Maoism as the supreme ideology or the religion of the land, you have to remove everything before it, and that and and and the cancel culture went to the next stage. Okay, destroy everything in the public okay. And this is there were more. They were hidden in people's homes. I won't have to go after that. That's what they did. They raided people's homes and took whatever they think is old, destroyed them,

or confiscated them. This is the largest looking operation in the history of mankind. Wow. Wow, of course you know we have the irs is going to be made five to seven times bigger, depending on which budget they go through. And that's what I'm concerned about, is that they're going to go around confiscating not necessarily statues because people wanted them in these statues are things

like that in their own but go around confiscating any physical property. Tell us a little bit about what they did to the family, because that is a key part of this. You know, in America, was there as part of the four holes with that, I don't know, would the family fall into one of these in terms of a culture or custom or something like that. Yes, okay, I'm sorry, Oh that's okay. Take your time, drink, drink something. If you'd like to go ahead, go ahead,

I'll cover here for you. You said that again. You know, we look at things like critical race theory and stuff like that. Again we're talking about race rather than class. That's the difference in communism in America versus China or Europe. But again, old ideas, old cultures, old habits, and old customs. And I imagine family fits in there somewhere absolutely. So for family, you don't have to guess. You just read Communist manifesto.

It laid out there are clearly there's three things they want to abolish. One is private property now that it's religion. Another is family. So that is laid out there, you know, clear for everyone to see. They have to destroy religion because in order to implement communism as the religion and and be this is very very important. Communism is not and a community is a religion. It is and even though they say that against religion, but it

is a religion that it replaced religion. So they have to destroy religion and uh, and they have to destroy family because those are the foundations of any society. So that started very early on, especially in schools, and so it was very very clear to everyone, not just to kids, but to parents as well. The kids belonged to the state, Yes, and parents understand that. And so if you have to choose between your parents and the

state, you choose the state. And there's no question about it. Many kids reported their parents during the Cultural Revolution to their authority, and some of the parents were arrested and some were executed. It was so clear in my mind, in every kid's mind, the party was our parents, and the chairman now was our parent. And that is if you talk to any any people lived under communism, it is a common threat. They destroyed religion,

they destroy family. Yeah. And of course those of us who knew about that understood and saw that when Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child, you know, you turn, you destroy the family, you put the children under the care of the government. We had MSNBC running public service announcements a few years ago. Melissa Harris Perry I think was their name.

She we've got to get over this idea the children belonged to the parents, and at that point in time, they hadn't really found something that they could use as a wedge. Now what they're doing is they're using this transgender thing as a wedge, and that's where it's coming in. But it'll be other things, you know, it'll be denounced to be the other things. Yeah, there'll be other things. That's just the first thing they're doing right now. Yeah, yeah, that was not on the horizon. And you

know people are looking at this. Oh okay, fine, you know the villages is there. They're going to help to do it, and but you know what, where is the conflict there? And they and so they came up with the conflict for the first they sell you the idea that kids belonged to the state and to the society and to the village, and then they find the issues of conflict to punish the parents with have been doing that before.

Transgender. Transgender really just showcase that how they are trying to categize between parents and children and actively set children up against their parents. But for decades they have been teaching the values of Communism and Marxism, and even though that's not what Americans know about, but they have been developing the children with a

new set of ideologies and created this conflict between generations, right. And there's a lot of family, especially in recent years, a lot of families just broken up, just like the cultural Revolution, because they don't agree with each other ideologically. And they have been doing that for a very very long time. And they will find other issues, and they will find any issues to advance their their agenda that means to take the children away from the parents so

they control them. That's right. Yeah, you know, just as we saw that they used class in China and in Europe as a dividing thing, and here they use skin color. Then I think also in the same way, this dividing wedge. I've seen this as you talked about. This has been going on for decades, of course, and I remember one of the first cases that I saw this is up in Massachusetts, and it was a father who didn't want his eight year old girl and a sex education class that

at the time was not into all of these. She always say, highly deviant sexual practices that are going on right now. It was just straight side. But she was eight years old and I don't think she's mature enough for this, and they said, well, she has to do it. So he went to school to take her out. They rested in for trespassing and the judge said, when you drop your child off at the school, you have surrendered them to the state, and we will act loco parentis in place

of the parents. And so there's been this wedge, you know that they've been making the wedge of the sexual wedge. They've been making it wider and wider with all the different diverse practices and everything. But just as they began to use this wedge of sexuality against the parents and the and this really kind of does go back even to the mid twentieth century, you know, we had the and then following up you know, in the nineteen fifties a generation

gap, and then the sexual Revolution all of this stuff. They've been using the sex thing as as a wedge issue, especially with the parents, and they've really weaponized it in a very visual way, especially in just the last few years. But they'll find other things, as you point out, and always do something. Yeah, sex was the are secret weapon. But it's really anything tranditional, anything kind of a normal their challenging right now, right.

And therefore, in the communist country that we were taught we were equal to the parents. We can educate our parents. So many times we were taught that we were better than our parents because we know better, we are more updated in our learning, and so we should always watch out our parents and make sure they are up to date with their learning and so. And that's why in the communist countries and they worship or or they give power to

the youth, and that's what we're doing now. The young people they know were led to believe that they know better or they know what's best for them. And the same ideality, the same idea that the children are better off knowing what's best for them than the parents. That's right. And I saw that, you know, even though I was a child at the time, you could see that there was something different that it happened, and it was really flowing out of the schools they use, the schools even at the beginning

of all this. The idea that we've got in America, one of the things that's made us very vulnerable is we love the idea that we're constantly reinventing culture. Our culture is very fluid. I would imagine that in China it was a lot more conservative and not as fluctuating as it has been in America. Because of the embracing of media and entertainment and of the Baby boom, teenagers and all the rest of the stuff, they were able to then have

this rapidly evolving culture that really kind of played into their hands. I think was it more conservative in China when Mao came in in terms of culture of the family. Yeah, it was very transitional. Yeah, but during the culture everything turned turned upside down in the culture revolution. To us, the world was turned upside down. Just like today. We're told similar things. I think some of them were not as extreme as what do we see America.

But we were also told that there's no difference between men and women. We're the same. We are whatever men can do, women can do better, the other half of the sky, the other half of the like Biden told it, and so in Yeah, so we dressed like a man, we talk like men, we think like men, we act like men. So if you go to China in the sixteen seventies, you see a sea of gray people look like and you can hardly distinguish the gender. And so

we were made into a genderless society. And so so Mao and always brag that he liberated women and from the oppression of the of the old society and of the patriarchy. But they did not give them choice. So they're all liberated from from the whole hold you know, shores and their children were sent to daycare by the government, so they were forced to join their workforce. They become the work bee for the party, the work side by side with

the men, so they become men. So it's it's not extreme ASTs say that women can be men and men can be women. But it's the same idea, the same idea, same idea, same idea. Yeah, yeah, we just adding a kind of a sexual deviance overtone to it. And it is that radical leveling, which is another you know, everything in communism is leveled, right, Uh, you know, we take everybody down except for the people atop. Uh. Everybody else owns nothing and they're happier and

all that, aren't they. Yeah, Now that's what I say. Now we're taught, uh that we're taught that we should own nothing and be happy in Chinese h in the communists China in most time, especially that we had nothing and we have to we have to be happy. If you show that you're not happy, if you show that you're dissatisfied, you were end up in a struggle session or in the pulogs. Yeah, yeah, that's why.

That's that's what they're working on here. That's exactly what. Yeah, if you if you are not happy, you know, well you better take you know, the brave New World approach. You know, you can self medicate with drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever to just drop out of the world. But if you pay attention and you get upset about it, you get the nineteen eighty four treatment. And uh yeah, that's It's amazing how this is all coming around and we're seeing exactly the same type of thing.

So what do you You're you've written the book, You've gone around and talked to a lot of people and giving trying to wake up Americans. Are they starting to see the light in this? I do? I think when I started to talk and I remember one particular place and I went to talk and I talk about cultural evolution, Red Guard, and I just noticed there's this kind of blunk look from the audience and I realized, my god, they really don't know anything. I have to start from the very beginning, and

I can't just say the cultural revolution, what is cultural evolution? Why culture revolution? What is Red Guard? How it comes into being? And there's just too much to explain in that, you know, like forty minutes speak And in the process, a lot of people ask me. You know, I met a lot of people in the past two years and they said, you have a book. I'm going to write a book. And it's because that I know that I need to write this book to explain everything in more

detail, how and why and where and all that. And I hope that it's going to be helpful for people to understand what the Chinese culture revolution is about and why it's so similar to them American culture revolution that is unfolding in front of us. Yeah, you know, people talk about communists version. But the reason they mentioned that is because these people a brought the exact same tactics and plans and and you know, pretended that this is just something that

they thought of. And if we don't understand the pattern and how this has been used and what it led to, it's going to be really bad. Now, were there during the period when there was a lot of starvation and things like that. No, No, I was born in the in that time, and it started in nineteen fifty nine, lasted three years. So no I, so you're not, as your child, you're not really caught up in the great leap forward type of thing, right. No. I

was too little for that. But everybody, you know, like my parents' generation, know about and stories are still alive that I know enough growing up. But I did not understand why. But I just understood that it was a time that everyone was going hungry. And those were lucky ones because they were in the city and they have ration, They have ration of a certain amount of food even though everybody was going hungry. But in the countryside,

that's where death took place. Up to fifty million Chinese peasants died. Well. It's very interesting how both Stalin and mal use so many of the same tactics. As you're pointing out the struggle sessions and everything. You know, Stalin had his purges, but then at the beginning of all this, you know, Stalin had his helamidor and Ukraine goes to the place where it's the most fertile and starves of people to death. MAO does the same thing with

this great leap forward. And it's very troubling to see that now that we have our technocrat overlords who were saying, well, we're going to have to change the way you do food, and we're going to you know, dismantle the food supply, We're going to dismantle energy, We're going to do all this stuff. All of that stuff seems to be that same tactic seems to

be on the horizon. And of course that really is kind of at the leading edge of the oppression, because first you have to take everything away from everybody and do your great reset before you can impose this new system. And I think they've got a timeline for this new system of twenty thirty, so I think they're going to escalate this pretty quickly. What do you think, Yes, I think that that people absolutely need to understand this. Communism has

nothing to do with communalism. Right, communal we're just sharing, we're happy together. We take away private property so there's no exploitation, we're all happy together. Communism is all about one thing, control, yes, okay, control everything in people's lives, control what you can have, control where you can live. And now we're told fifty minutes the city is where we should live, what you can you, where you can move during the mouths time.

They control in such a way that nobody can really move just to visit another place, because they give you coupon for food, and the coupan only apply to where you live. So if you say I'm going to take three months vacation travel around the world the country, you can't do that. First off, you have no money, and second you coupon could not apply to another city, so you kind of start where you were, and they and how many children you can have? Right one before they want to have as

many as children as possible. They follow Stalin's policy as many, and then they change it only have one. You have more, you dragged to houseband and forcefully your baby will forcefully abort it. And then what you can say, there's no freedom of speech zero, okay. And and if you have to praise the party, you have to praise the correctly. If you praise

the party incorrectly, you're also in trouble. And mostly mostly people pay attention what you can think, So that is communism in a nutshell control and so you so people think, do you know that, uh, that what you're told was live when you were you know, in the school. How do I know? I have no idea because all the information was controlled. I

have no idea to compare to anything. Right, It's just one version of everything, one version of truth and UH and it's from the party and UH and and the one source of information that's from the uh, the party media or from the school. Everything is controlled by And so when you have no other information, you can't think. You cannot think critically without access to information. And that's why are start working so hard on censorship now. It is

it is a very insidious program. And of course it's interesting when we talk about the one child policy because you know, what what China has done is that they've aligned themselves with this globalist climate movement, and the globalist climate movement is is a perfect fit, a perfect rationale for them to institute communism. You know. One of the clips that I've played several times is justin Trudeau, he was asked, what's your favorite country in the world besides of course

Canada, and he says, China. Because I could tell everybody what to do to save the environment. That's exactly what this is all about. They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do, and they're going to control everything in our lives on the basis of that, including how many kids we

have. And of course the whole climate and environmental movement was born out of depopulation and the idea that humans are a virus and we've got to reduce humanity, which is exactly what Stalin and Mao wanted to do with their starvation programs. You know, there's too many people here to control, so let's reduce the number of people here and let and as I reduced them and devastate the population in my country, I can show my authority and establish myself as the

you know, the dread authority in this particular country. It's amazing how they have followed through to the letter all of these same policies, and it's all it's a plan that's just rolling out to us. And also, you know what's happening in China now right They ran out of cheap labor. They are in deep, deep trouble and the population is so aged and they really the future is diary. And then you know what the party said you should have

three and see that that is worse than depopulation. In the very beginning, Stallin encouraged first after the Second World War, right, they have like award to mother who have nine children, ten children. Amol did the same thing. So they control everything according to their needs. So now they ask people to have three. Well, that's not that easy. You just ask and people just have three. But they started with party members. Party members,

if you want promotion, you were required to have three children. Wow, well that's communism through of everything. Just fliip the switch and now we're going to do something completely different. And so did you have any experience when you were when you were there in terms of Christian persecution, the underground church that is there, I know that's uh. I had no idea what Christianity was. That's the truth. And so no idea because religion removed out of our

lives. The only thing that you know in China, the largest religion is Buddhism has been Buddhism. Okay, so they are temples and even though some of them were destroyed, but there are still some in the city and so but they turned into parks. So growing up, I go into this so called Buddhist parks, so I know there's such a thing. And then we're told they're all superstitious and uh, and it's all backward and primitive. So I just go there and look at the Buddha. I'm just thinking, that's

just so stupid they make a statue like that. So religion was absent in our lives, and of course I know better. We had a religion that's Communism, and we have a god that's Mauth, and we had our Bible, that's the most read little book, right, but only in the early

eighties. And so I was working in the university in a college for training school teachers, and then Americans started coming in and they want to see churches, and so by then some of them started to open, and I was shocked to find there is a building that I passed through their countless times was a church. And so I took them there, the American teachers, and there I met a young young guy and so he said they he was like, you know, I was twenty in my early twenties and he was two.

So he said he was Christian and because his parents have passed it down to them, they just do it at home. I was like, really, I have no clue. I really had no clue that there were such things that in China there was among us, there are some underground Christians. So of course later you know, it opened up a little more, and in the nineties and early two thousand, but now you know it's crashing. Then they're closing churches, and the churches that are not closed become the party

churches. Yes, and if you go to some of the churches in the in the order, it's a mouse portrait and she in pins portrait. Yes, and next to the cross. I've talked about that many times, said, if you're going to put up across, you've got to put me on one side and on the other side. And I said, did they realize that they've got Jesus and the two thieves on either side? I know. But so if you today, if you go to China, you can still

go church. There's still some open. Those are CCP Church, Ccpeace Church. Yes, the real church is underground. And later after I came out, I met more people who were part of that underground church. So yeah, church they called the Church of the Three Person's Self or something like that.

Don't isn't it something like that. This. Yeah, the three self was a policy that installed earlier on and you know basically they are going to make church Chinese church, you know, and not even Chinese church a CCPs church. Yes, yes, So if you go to today, if you go to I went actually I checked the Association for Buddhism in China, Christianity, Catholic whatever. If you go to their website, the lending page is the support the Communist Party, the support socialism, the support forget it.

You know, they're not They're not really independent. And you find that, you know, what they started doing, even the churches that were doing that, you know, trying to balance grape to the Communist Party. Uh, they would then come in and tear them down anyway, you know. I mean it's just you know, it depends on what their women is. I remember. But when we were there, we were there for a couple of weeks, and then as we went south into Hong Kong and were on the

train, I saw it crosses for the first time. It's like, you know, I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't seen any churches or any

crosses or anything like that the whole time we were there in China. You know, it's all underground, but it's pretty big underground from all reports, because that kind of persecution really grows a church, and it grows real strong church members who who they're They're not going to be coming for the ice cream social, that's just the way they're there for because they're really serious about it. Well I tell you this, so yes, yeah, that's another thing

people should should know. On the Communism, there's absolutely no freedom for religion or faith. Yeah. Well, I think they're right to understand that the church is their enemy because I think that is the most effective guerrilla organization to oppose this kind of authoritari isn't. Christianity was the roots of our liberal society in the West, and it's going to be the way that they're going to

uproot the Communists from the ground up, I think in that country. But you know, when you're talking about the fact that even they wanted to control what you think that was when Rod Dryer was talking to people who had come from Russia and places like that, and and in the tradition of Selsey Knitsen, he actually named his book Live Not by Lies because that was an essay by Solsy knits and that's what they want you to do. They want you to as you point out, they as a child, you're given one source

of information. That's just the way that it is, and so you just go with that. But for the other people, and if you come up with eventually, they're going to come to you and tell you that they want you to repeat two plus two equals five. And if you don't believe it, yes, exactly. And so that's the thing. It's about breaking your will to eventually come in. And I think I think that's another aspect of

what we see with this gender stuff. You know, you have to regardless of what you actually see or know or whatever, you've got to deny that and go with what they say is real. And so that's the key thing, you know, And that was one thing that the souls Knitsen saw that it is the common thing amongst all these different tutalitarian societies is that ultimately you're going to have to bend your what you know is true is going to have to be bent to what they want you to say, just as a power

exercise. And we see that happening now in the United States. And that's why it's so important for people to say Nope, not going to go there. And to understand where this all, all of this is coming from, all of these things, as you point out Mau's America warning America of the fact that this is a plan, it is an agenda. They've executed this plan, and it's going to be so much worse for us because now they

have the leverage of technology. And also this morning, I watched a clip of the interview of by this guy George he used to be the Clinton's advisor a Greek claim I can't remember right now, George whatever clapless Yes, and an interview a congress member, and and he just keeps doing that. Can you can you say that twenty twenty election it's not stolen? And then when he was talking about something, he bring it back, He bring it back, he bring it back. Can you say yes or no it is stolen.

That's exact the same tactic a woman. Can you say this man is in uh standing in front of you that he is a woman. You have to say it. Can you say it say it now? Same? Same. It's a struggle session, isn't it. Well, yeah, it is time for us to struggle against these people. And you have to people need to understand. That's why your book is so important. People need to understand the tactics. This is nothing new, there's nothing new under the sun.

You know. Solomon was wise enough to say that. And of course this kind of stuff has been going around forever, but it has been honed into a fine tactic of psychological manipulation by the communist And now what they're going to do worldwide is take that tactic, that agenda that you lay out here that Mao did, and they're going to wed it to modern technology to give them

more leverage on people. I think, just realize they have established the truths right, the climate is changing and they're going to destroy the earth if we don't do anything otherwise, you're a denier, denied deniers. And that is exactly what Mao did. One truth and everyone has to go by it. And if you question it, your enemy of the state. Yeah that's right. Yeah, we see that over and over again. It is so important for people to see this again. The book is Mao's America, a Survivor's

Warning. The best place to get that anywhere the books are sold or do you have a website that you'd like to that you saw that directly. Yeah, I don't. It gets you a little bit more money. So I always want to offer that to authors because I know that they make a little bit more money if they sell it direct. But again, Amazon, anywhere

that books are sold. Mao's America a Survivor's Warning very important. Thank you so much for speaking out about this and telling people this and speaking out and these, you know, the beginning of the struggle sessions that are there. Thank you so much for a message that is so needed and a historical context and perspective that is so missing in America that people can find in your book. Thank you very much. Thank you, Thank you, she Van Fleet,

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to talk to you. David is always good to be with you. Thank you. We're living in interesting times, aren't we. As we were discussing briefly, and as we're getting you put on here, he said, while we look at what is going on in the House historical day, as we have the speaker for the first time thrown out Speaker of the House, first

time that's been that's happened. What's your take on all that? Well, and for a very good reason, you know, the only reason he got to be speaker after fifteen votes was that he made some very specific promises to the Freedom Caucus and especially the hardline conservatives as part of that caucus there aren't

totally unified. But he broke those promises in the April deal with President Biden, where he passed that on the spending bill which was way over budget and didn't consult the conservatives, and so basically Matt Gates as leader of the hardliners and the Freedom Kacas said if you don't stop this, if you do it again, we're going to oust you a speaker. And he did it again. And Matt Gates in his press conference wasn't a formal press conference. He

just gets besieged by the press as he leads the House chambers. And after his our debate with the Chamber on the motion to vacate the chair, he outlined very specifically again as he did before the House, why he is voting to vacate the chair. Number one, Well, in general, he's talking

about violations of the regular order of the House. The regular order of the House is that you have the twelve bills appropriation bills passed through committee, and then you have debate, and then you have amendments, so you allow amendments to those bills, and then you pass them into dividually. And he was complaining because they were running behind schedule. McCarthy wasn't in a hurry to get this thing done, and Gates requested that he canceled the August recess. He

said, we don't have time for six weeks to take off. We've got a deadline September. We've got a lot of hard knocks to go through. This, McCarthy didn't do it. He allowed the recess to go forward. He also has instilled a four day work week. A four day work week when you're talking about a huge backlog of an appropriations bill, and that means they start at six pm on Monday and they quit on Friday, and that's essentially a four day work week. And Gates was complaining about that. But

here's the specifics. McCarthy promised that he would never be a bill presented to the House over one hundred million dollars without the possibility of amendments, and he violated that on numerous occasions, refusing to allow amendments. He said he would you never use the Democrats to provide a majority over the wishes of the GOP majority. If he did that on the Ukraine funding bill, he passed that with the majority of Democrats voting with the minority of Republicans to pass the Ukraine

funding bill, which didn't make it out obviously into the main bill. And McCarthy created also a secret side deal with Biden over a separate Ukraine spending bill that would be done. And it basically says, you know, both these border tightening regulations and the Ukraine spending need to be a separate bill. You don't want to put these in an omnious bill. They're very controversial and they need to have an up or down vote from everybody on those two specific issues.

And this goes to the problem of the omnimous bill, where you lump everything together and then you make everybody vote yes or no on the entire bill. And so if you want to you know, anything at all, and you're a jenda, you've got to vote for the whole package. So those are very bad. But in any case, there were seven or eight total Republicans that voted to Alice McCarthy, and they got their way. I was surprised that McCarthy said I'm not going to run for speaker again. Before he

left the speakership. He appointed Pat McHenry of South Carolina to be the Speaker pro tem and of course he's a puppet to McCarthy, and he immediately said, well, we're not even going to vote for the next speaker until October eleventh, which is a full week away. I played a clip of McHenry. He was really trying to break the gobble when he's lammed. I don't know if he saw the picture of him, and he says, well, a lot of jerms and he goes with all his might trying to hit that

thing. He was pretty angry about that. I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, the Gates was very unhappy about that. He said, you know, we don't have time. We've got a put them together another bill and resolve. This thing is by November seventeenth, when this continuing resolution ends, and so he said, you know, we've got to go to work right now. We need to have the election this week. Gates is suggesting Steve scalise as, who is the GOP majority leader in the House right now,

as the replacement for McCarthy. I think Jim Jordan, although he was opposed to this vacating the speakership, and he's kind of happy with McCarthy because McCarthy, true to his word, he did give conservatives major positions on the committees. But that's about all that McCarthy did is gives conservatives major positions. So Jordan was head of the Judiciary Committee, very powerful committee right now relative to

the impeachment of Joe Biden or the impeachment investigation. But he's still I believe would be a good speaker as well as Steve Scalise. Well, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. And again wall Street's take on this is that it increased, says the change that there's going to be a shutdown in November, but you know, maybe it won't be quite as long, you know, more than two or three weeks, but they think it will

happen now because of the delays that will be involved with this. But you know, I talked about this earlier Joel, and I was looking at I had a little bit different take on it because of what Thomas Massey said. I played the clip for people what Thomas Massey said there. He is part of that team that negotiated regular order with McCarthy as a condition of his speakership, and he said, look, I voted to I'm the only person here

who voted to remove Bayner, who voted to remove Ryan. He says, I'm not voting to remove him because we did get back regular order to a

greater degree. Said yeah, we got a lot of things happened that we don't like here, but you know, you'd had the situation with Pelosi and Bayner and others who had put in these omnibus bills and ran everything from centralized to speakership through a very lightly controlled committees, and people are not allowed to make amendments from the floor, basically shutting down the rules of order, Roberts rules of order, whatever, you know, the regular order that would allow

people to participate in it. The whole thing was tightly and centrally controlled. And that was the key sticking point, I think, and all that. And he felt like things had improved in that direction and they keep going in that direction. But you're right, it now has turned this whole thing into turmoil. And you know, Chip Roy had had pushed very hard for that, Thomas Massey had pushed very hard for that, and I you know, they both voted to keep him in at this point in time. But of

course we have Nuke Gingrich now very upset about this. And I played a clip for people just to remind them where Nuke gingridg has been. It was. It was a political ad that was done by Ron Paul back in twenty eleven when both of them were running for the GOP nomination, really kind of defining what a flip flopping snake new Gingrit and his point, as he said, Dwell, you know, we've got these rules, and so Matt Gates needs to be kicked out forget about what the people thought who elected him.

He has violated the Republican Party rules, the rules of Republican Conference, and we need to kick him out of Congress for doing that. What do you think about that? And what do you think about what Thomas Massey had to say? Well, you know, I have a good deal of respect for Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey and Chick Roy too. They are voting in fact for the fact that they did get good committee assignments on this and that McCarthy

did come their way. But my response to Massey would be, but remember he only came your way in terms of allowing amendments or allowing the regular order on easy things. On all the things that were the tough issues, he

went over to the Democrats. So he betrayed you on all the crucial issues and only gave you the easy stuff which you didn't really need, you know, and well you need it, of course, but they weren't the crucial things that are sticking points like border regulations in the Ukraine vote, etc. But you know, New Gingrich is really a snake in the grass. He's a globalist, I believe. You know, he got elected with his what was a contract for America, and I think it was a contract on America

basically. And as soon as he was elected, the first thing he did, did he pass anything on the contract with him? And not a thing? He went the World Trade Acceptance of China, red China into the World Trade Organization WTO. That was his first issue. It was a total globalist sellout right from the get go. And you know, he has played both

sides of this issue. He's really a very slick operator. So he has called for Matt Gates to be removed from the Republican Conference, which is the conference which decides a lot of these issues, etc. Now I'm not a big fan of Matt Gates in terms of his moral conduct. He is a party guy, and I don't think he's been necessarily moral in his you know

conduct. But he's really a good debater. He is a person who really laid down the issues to the press as clearly as anybody on the violations Arty, and you know, to remove him would be I think a big mistake. We need somebody would be a big right out there. I think it'd be a big mistake to violate. It's as well, you know, we don't like him in the party, so I don't really care what the voters think. I mean that the biggest mistake of it interest in terms of a

precedent, that they'd be setting to remove him for that. Yeah, well, you know, they are having an ethics committee, and this was kind of McCarthy's threat over his head. It's interesting that McCarthy said after he was Gates said I'm going to put in a resolution to vacate the chair. He said, well, go ahead and try it. You know, just McCarthy was defiant, and he really didn't think of it passed. I thought perhaps, you know, maybe even the Democrats would come to the rescue of McCarthy

because he'd been so helpful to them. But I think they voted in favor of watching the Republicans be in disarray rather than rescue somebody who really was helping them. Now they're not going to get someone as bad as McCarthy, I believe, and I think they're going to have to go to someone who is a little bit more to the right, or they're not going to, you

know, get elected. These eight people can stop anybody from getting to be speaker unless the Democrats want to throw in with the liberal Republicans and really get a very bad person in there. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. Did you point out the ethics issues that Gates has, and then of course, you know George Santos has got huge ethics issues, and McCarthy was absolutely supportive of George Santos, So it'd be interesting to see what happens with

that. I think one of the things that really surprised me was, as you point out, McCarthy said to Gates, he said, go ahead, bring it on. So I thought, well, okay, he knows what's going on, he's going to he's going to win this thing. His inability to read the room, you know, I mean, how do you How are you that clueless as a speaker that you don't know if you got the votes for something like this. I mean, but maybe he's just you know, it's just bravado. But that was one of the key things to me,

going back to a new Gingrich's contract with America. I remember that thing ten point program, you know, Joel. I ran for Congress the next election in ninety six, and my central theme was I said, I've got a contract with America. It's called the Bill of Rights, and here's how its being his ten point It's a ten point solution to what our government is right now. And I said, here's how's to been violating every one of those things. I've made flyers of that, but that was my campaign to

run for the Contract with America. At the Bill of Rights. What district did you run? It was in North Carolina and it was in the Charlotte District. So I did that back and I think it was nine. I think it wasn't where I live. But you know, you don't have to live in the district, you just have to live in the state. And I was kind of the sacrificial land for the third party to run there. But I was able to get into some debates. But you know, it

is interesting to see where this is going to go. And I guess the key thing is, you know, is there anybody when you look at the people that are there. You've got Tom Emmer, You've got Scalise, you know, maybe Jim Jordan. I mean, you know, you think it's going to be one of the one of those three those seem to be the highest profile of course, you know, the majority leader and the whip, and then Jim Jordan is always, you know, out front in front of

the cameras. Who do you think might make it through? Well, I think it's either going to be Scalise or Jim Jordan, whether or not Jim Jordan will run or not, you know, and lose this position on the Judiciary Committee, I have my out. So Steve Cleese is in the prime position the mere fact though that Gates wants him. We'll speak against him to the people who were very angry with him about this, and there are a lot of Republicans that were angry. But I don't think I don't think.

Yes, it's true that McCarthy would have compromised that them and would have avoided to shut down. But as I pointed out many times in the worldfare's grieve. We really need to shut down the government in many ways. And you know, they don't have to actually close the national parks, they don't have to close the passport office, they don't have to do any of the stuff that really inconveniences America. Plenty of money coming in constantly to keep those funded.

But they need to shut down, you know, foreign aid. They need to shut down any money going to Ukraine. And you know, I'm not against We've talked about on our program before. Because Russia faked their own demise and put Ukraine into the boundaries or put the don boss and crime in Ukraine to give them an excuse to invade at some future time. I'm not in favor of letting Putin get away with that. You know, we need

to supply arms to keep that Ukraine from falling. But I'm not in favor because of the corruption in Ukraine of any further actual funds going to Ukraine, whether to pay the salaries of other people or to pay for their deficits. You know, no money for Ukraine. It's just too corrupt. This is a leftover from the Soviets because when they fake their own demise, they left all the communists in the bureaucracy, and that's why they continue to exact bribes.

That's why you had Boodizmad. All the former presidents of Ukraine have been corrupt and you know, secret buddies with the oligarchs in Russia. It's a very bad situation. But there's plenty of ways to cut funding. And I realized you can't get you can't cut social Security and the welfare thing that they'd screen bloody murder. But there's plenty of things that you can cut that don't hurt most normal people and keeps the government in limbo while you hammer out these

things. But we've got to stuff going under it. Yeah, you look at you know, the plan that Republicans came up with when Biden says we got to get eighty billion dollars more for the IRS, an agency that's now getting thirteen billion, and the Republicans said, that's crazy. Only sixty only a sixty billion dollars. We won't do it to be you know what, is it seven times the size? We'll only make it five times bigger than

it currently is. And that's the kind of stuff that just makes my head spend With Republicans, it's like, what what is the just just a little bit less government than the Democrats want to give us. And of course you talk about the coruption Ukraine. Even Bill Gates said most corrupt country on Earth. The Pentagon is even saying we got so much stuff that's you know, we sent to them, that's leaking out everywhere. This is a big problem

Ukraine. Is getting I mean, the UK is getting tapped out in terms of you know, it's a war machine in terms of sending them stuff. And this is all highlighting something I think that is an even bigger fundamental problem of the West, and that is the erosion of our manufacturing database to the extent database, our manufacturing base and infrastructure to the extent that we can't sustain some kind of a big war effort. What do you think about that?

As somebody who follows us much more closely than I do, Well, we can certainly ramp up like we did in World War Two and start to produce these things. Whether or not there's a will to do that. There usually isn't until you get attacked. But you know, with the speed at which you know attax and come now was your missiles instead of just ships across the sea coming towards you like happened in Pearl Harbor, which of course was provoked

by Roosevelt. This was a false flag operation if there ever was one. But yeah, we have the manufacturing capacity to do that. And I mean even in strategic minerals. For example, the inter reasion that China has a lock on the minerals is they've undercut the prices we used to produce all the strategic minerals in the United States out of Nevada and parts of California. We

have them all in the United States. They just aren't as economical to produce unless China decides to cut it off, and then we could start producing again.

But I think that both the West and you can come up to speed, and they are ramping up, you know, in military production in order to provide the arms for Ukraine. The big problem in Ukraine is this triple layered defense system that while the Ukrainians were waiting for American tanks to arrive, you know, four to six months, the Russians built this three tiered mind

trend system that is very difficult to penetrate. Now, if they had strategic bombing, as the West has the capability, you could obliterate that line. You could blow up the entire minefield so that none of you could drive right through it. But they don't have strategic bombing. God is artillery and high mars and other types of things, so they have to slug it out trying

to get through that line. And I don't see Ukraine doing that. I just don't think you're without strategic bombing that you're going to be able to penetrate that line. Now, neither do I see Russia being able to take anything more than the don boss of the Crimea. So I think this is a war of attrition that's going to go on as long as the West continues to provide military arms to keep the artillery and the rockets supplied. I don't think

Russia can win, and I don't think Ukraine can win. So where this is going in the long term, I'm not sure, but I'll tell you Conservatives have really been snookered by Putin, who has been putting on a propaganda show about being anti LBGT and pro Christian and all these types of things to convince an anti New World Order, to convince the West, or at least the conservatives in the West, that he's going to save us from our own

globalist and it isn't true at all. It's just a PRIs treble. Loud And has pointed out from New Zealand a very good series of things showing that this propaganda move by the continuing Soviets as I called them in Russia, has been very effective towards getting conservatives to be pro Russian rather than Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a Hegelian pr move because again, you know, the West cannot control their contempt for Christian conservative values no matter even though they

see Putin doing this, they can't bring it upon themselves to pull back at all from the Rainbow flag or any persecution that they're doing with people, or the pronouns or any of that kind of stuff. So their tone deaf or they're defiant about that, and so that leaves him a strategic opening. You know, you're talking about the mind fields and everything. I saw a thing the other day of a thing called spider boots. Maybe you probably know about

it, but the audience probably doesn't. And that's their approach to trying to cross these minefields. Just how crude that was. And all it is is just a little elevated platform they put shoes on, and it has like four extended prongs and a steel plate underneath it, so that if you step on one of these mines, the explosion is not going to be directly under your

foot in your leg. It will be maybe a little bit in front of you or you know, and it will be directed somewhat away from its still going to really, you know, severely injure the person, but maybe not take their leg off and have them bleed out immediately. And I thought, that's the best they've got. Here's some spider boots, go walk across that

my field. It really isn't the best they've got. They have the flailing machines that go in front of an armored vehicle that extend out about twenty or thirty feet and it's a big rotating series of chain that flail on the ground, set off the mines and it doesn't hurt the change when it blows up,

but they can drive right through a minefield. Just that Ukraine doesn't have very many of these, Okay, all right, Yeah, it seems to be a real sticking point, as you point out, you know, it's a very complicate things in terms of the amount of minds that they've got, and it seems to have really stuck them. But I guess it's because they just don't have enough of that machinery and they don't have their strategic bombs to

take out those fields either. Yeah. It truly is amazing to see how this is progressing, and of course it is escalating, and that's one of my questions to you as we see Russia. You've said for the longest time that Western elite want to invite a nuclear strack. That is part of their long term plan. We see Russia doing civil defense drills, and of course civil defense has never been really a concern of the American government. We're going

to have an emergency broadcasting system thing happening this afternoon. But you know, so what is it that you would tell people, because that's something that you cover in your books. Strategic location, and that's a factor. You know. Now there's other aspects to strategic location, which is the breakdown of society, and you know, the Soros district attorneys letting people back out on the streets, criminals back on on the streets. We're seeing that kind of violence

escalate. But also proximity to nuclear targets is part of strategic relocation, and then your secure home and other aspects of this. People can find those books at Joel Scousen dot com. Tell us a little bit about give us little bit of advice, as the best we're going to get is maybe an emergency broadcasting system. I call on our phone. Well, there's a lot of hype now about the five G test that's going to come out of two PM.

And there's been an awful lot of hype around the internet about five G. And one of the most I think spectacular falseh is being promulgated is that five G can somehow trigger little nanomachines that have been injected with the vaccine and create havoc you know, in your body. Well, you know, that's really a lot of hype in my opinion. First of all, five G cannot trigger any biological device. It can destroy things if you get too close to a five G radiating source for too long of a period. It can

destroy biological process but it can't trigger any biological processes. I have a son who works in the cell phone industry as an electrical engineer, and he does testing on all the five G, four G and three G you know,

cell phone technology and their towers for radiation frequency, et cetera. And you know, he admits, yes, there are any EMF can be dangerous if you have a very strong radio source up against your brain, you know, for a long period of time, But they're very care interesting enough, he says that five G, by the way, because it is a higher frequency, has much less power takes much less power to transmit than four G, much less power than three G, which is at a lower frequency still,

and so actually the radiation effect is lesser in terms of damage because of the lower power of the transmitter. Now that said, if you've got an apartment and across the street as a building with a five G antenna radio riding in your apartment, that's too close. Yeah. Yeah, And what we've seen

in New York is exactly the same type of thing. They started putting it up in neighborhoods and people wake up in the morning and there's this thing right next to their window, right next to the window of their kid in the cradle, and they look at it and it says this should be located at least ten feet away from somebody whatever. They they call the people and said, hey, this is what this tag says on here. Can you come out and do something about this. They came out and they removed the tag.

I'm serious. That's a true story. You know, that's reported by the New York posts. I think it was. But you know, that's

the total disregard that they have for people. And of course the other aspect of it is that you know, different frequencies, of course, affect us differently, and we don't really have a lot of data about five G. You know, the only EMF biological research that was really done to a large extent was Alan Frye, who was doing it for the Navy, and you know the fry effect that they found people hearing clicking noises and things like that

at different frequencies. But different frequencies are going to affect you different ways. To me, I see droll this this five G stuff rolling out. I see it being done in the same way they rolled out of the vaccine. They're just contemptuous of any particular health effects, and we'll figure that out down the road. But you know, we've got to get this thing done right now, so you're just going to deal with it. And that's my concern

about all this talk about the test later today. I think, you know, there's very real concerns about how five G is going to be used. With the broader band and more capability of carrying data, it's going to be

used for surveillance and control purposes. That's a given. I'm also concerned about the lack of health information about these things, and I think that you know, the sensational detail that's out there is going to be used to discredit those real concerns about potential health and the reality of the smart city control grid that

they want to establish with faster bandwidth. All of those are legitimate concerns, especially the lack of long term testing and the one tests that have been done unfortunately don't tell us the two crucial aspects we have to know whether or not the tests are carried out properly. Yes, they irradiated mice with five G. They don't tell us how far away and how strong the signal was from

the mice. You see, those are the true crucial factors. I can put a transmitter right up against them and fry their brain, you know, within within a couple of weeks. But unless you know that it's been a

realistic setup, we just don't know how these things operate. Now, remember that we've now been operating cell phones in the three G and four G now for decades, and we don't have a lot of well or any medical strong evidence of any medical effects of people even having the cell phone up against her. Now five G is coming in. I don't have a five G phone, but other people do, even though they're not doing a test. We're going to see if holding that phone to their year is going to have deleterious

effects to people. Yeah, and we have situations where they put cell phone clusters close to an elementary school because they said, hey, it's convenient for us, and they said, well, we got some cancer clusters with us. And so you've had some local communities say, well, you know, we want to fight this. There was a nineteen ninety six telecom act put in by Clinton saying you will not object to antenna locations based on any health concerns, only a step concern. So if you don't you know, if

this is a historical district, then we got this antenna there. You can object to that and we'll come out. We'll put a box around it that blends in with the surroundings. But if it's a health concern, forget about it. But a lot of these jurisdictions, this is an important thing I tell people. You know, the federal government can say whatever it wants, but where the rubber meets the road is at the local level. And we

need to start standing up at the local level. And we've got several examples and communities where they felt that it was a hazard, and they stood up to the telecommunications industry and had them move those antennas. And so you know, that's that nineteen ninety six Telecom Act came ten years after Fauci Shepherd shepherded through that Vaccine Childhood Vaccine Act that gave product liability to the big pharmaceutical companies.

So we see certainly a pattern here and it is something that we need to be concerned about. But as always, you know, adding false details to stuff, and the people who've talked about it have said, you know, us, eighteen gigaherts, it's going to trigger this, and it's like, well, as far as I can tell, eighteen gighurts is not even a five G signal. It's not one of the frequencies that they that they

focus on. And then at the same time to say very specifically it's eighteen gig hurts, you'll come out and say, well, my concern is that it's all these frequencies at once. It's like, well, these frequencies, all these frequencies that once are hitting you all the time. Anyway, you need to be concerned about the cell phone that you leave in your pocket all day that's going to have, you know, just like holding in that cell phone next to your head, your cell phone is sending and receiving signals,

you know, even when you're not making a phone call. And so if you got that thing setting in your pocket or on your body all day, you ought to be concerned about that. That's not a wise decision, but it is. You know, there has to be some some context for this and some some wisdom about this stuff. And it is again unfortunate that the government wants to put out stuff like this without doing health tests. But you know, the big issue is and and again you know, fast internet with

broad bandwidth is not a bad thing, it's a good thing. But of course it does enable these surveillance and control systems that they want so they can do real time biometric analysis. And that's the thing that really concerns me is artificial intelligence and how it can be used for data mining and rapid recognition of

the biometric data that they have for people. I see AI's threat not as you know, some computer that's going to become self aware like the terminator, but I see it as a very very dangerous tool of very very dangerous people. What do you think, Yeah, I agree, with you on that, David. You know, it's very important to understand two basic things about overall preparation. You're going to first of all, understand what are the big

threats coming? So many people get so many concerned about these tiny, small threats. The big threat coming, of course, is a nuclear world war with Russia and China. And you know the reason I say it is inevitles because all three basic power structures in the world want it. Chinese communists want it, Russia wants it, and the globalists want it. They want it because it's the only way to drive Americans into losing their sovereign and joining a

militarized global government. In order to do that. Of course, that's why they passed in nineteen ninety seven PDD sixty instructing our nuclear missile forces to absorb a nuclear missiles for strike because they know that Russian and Chinese want to newter the American military and then blackmailists into's mission. They do not want a newke City's. They don't want to destroy the infiy. They don't want a new power plants and pollute the land forever. They want to occupy them. They

want living space because China can't feed their own people. You know, most of China is desert and they cannot grow enough food, and what is irrigated often gets flooded by the Yanksee River and other rivers. What I'm saying is is that that's the big threat that you ought to really be preparing for. And one of the deterrens for preparation is the hope of a savior, an

earthly savior. Now I'm all for you hoping that God will intervene, but unfortunately, I think we've lost the moral blessings of God because of the corruption of people within our Western society, and this transgender and homosexual craze which is growing by leaps and bound, is guaranteeing that we lose the blessings of protection of God. And there has to be judgment consequences for these types of things.

But you know, when you tend to think that Trump is going to save us if only can get reelected, I think that's very unlikely due to the ability to steal the election, as they showed in twenty twenty when, for example, you know, the biography of my uncle w Clion Scousen just came out and it's available on Amazon and it's very interesting. He ran this great Center for Constitutional Studies and gave thousands assemblers, educated over four hundred thousand

people in the United States on the Bounding Father version of the Constitution. And then when Reagan got elected the second term, all of the funding from private donating dried up. Everyone said, well, Reagan's going to save us. And then when Trump got elected, the same thing happened again. Yes, is that you know? And when the phony fall of the Soviet Union happened, it happened again and said, oh, well, communism isn't an issue

anymore. And the sale of his famous book that they can communists just drop through the roof because people thought that communists had gone away, and that was a very great propaganda coup on the part of the Soviets to fake their own demise, to get aid in trade, and to disarm the West. So it's been a very difficult battle. But my point as a core paredness expert is that when people have hope that someone's going to come in and save them

politically, they will not prepare. I agree, I agree. Can we even see that with gun purchases, right, Well, what happens the gun purchases you know, well, Obama or Biden get down and everybody starts buying guns. Trump gets in, all the gun sales go way way down.

They don't even care about that level of personal protection, which, by the way, you know, if there's crime in your state, in your city or whatever, whoever is present isn't really having an immediate effect on that, but it does have an immediate effect on even that level, at that street level, as people see it. I agree with you. So what's happening is that people really need to be concerned, not only about five G,

which is always in major metro areas. Five G is not a problem in rural areas that antennas cannot be close to you as they are in buildings and high cities. You just need to be out of the big cities when this war comes, because believe me, this war is going to be precipitated by a nuclear emp strike which takes down the grid. It's going to be down for at least a year because we don't stalkpile any of the long distance transformers

that allows you to get the grid back up again. You may be able to start an individual power plant, but it can't transmit across the country. Without these transformers that up the voltage to go thousands of miles and then down the voltage again to a usable voltage. All those transformers are made in China and they're big as a truck, and we don't have any of them stock pilot except maybe two or three, and there are thousands of them in the US. So if the good is down for a year, within three to

five days, people are going to start to pillage. They'll be starvation. There won't be electricity, they won't the sewers won't be operating, the water system won't be operating, and so you need to be able to get out of the big cities. Now. People are obviously tied to the big city because of jobs. That's where the most of the jobs are. But I can tell you that when the city's become a mad Max scenario, they're not going to be any jobs and they're not coming back for a long time.

And so it's a matter of when do you prepare to leave. Do you want to leave during the chaos of a Katrina hurricane, when all the freeways are backed up and people have run out of gas from the traffic jams. You want to be able to get out of town before that, and that

means that you have to prepare an exit plant. In my book Strategic Relocation, I talk about how in major cities there are beltways freeways going essentially a moat because you can't get across those freeways except in places where they on or off ramps. Now, if you look carefully on Google Maps, you'll see there are at least two or three places to get across the freeway with an underpass or an overpass that do not correspond I repeat, do not correspond to

an off ramp or an on ramp which to be jammed. You need to know where those crossing points are. If you have rivers the walk, you need to know where the bridges are and how to get through those things, and map a route doesn't get on the main roads but uses the back roads. I recommend to people in strategic relocation that if you cannot leave the big cities, at least you get moved to the periphery of the city, get to the outskirts of the city, get to the suburbs on the edge of

the metrol and commute in. Then at least your family has a chance of being the first out without going through all the major suburban areas in the city. Now, in terms of danger, the greatest danger during any period of social unrest is due to population density. Now there's a major exodus going on of all of the major Democratic controlled cities that have these woke prosecutors that there's no cash bail anymore. You just release them and as soon as you the

police arrest them. Is very demoralizing to the police. They don't show up for their court dates because they're not having to pay bail anymore. And so we have a major exodus going on from La San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Every major Democratic controlled city is having an exodu for the people because of these crime problems. And you know, I wish the Conservatives were leaving too, and some of them are, like

they have left California. What it's done is it's driven up prices in the West, which are highly rated in my book Strategic Relocation, because, for example, the Inner Mountain West, the cities of states of Idaho, Utah, Western Montana, and northern Arizona center there are hundreds of miles from from major metro areas and you have to cross deserts and mountains to get to those areas from those major metros, which precludes people from walking from Nevada to Idaho

for example. Other thing, but the trouble is of the Californias are driven up all the prices in those areas because of the exodus California. So now the cheapest areas are still in the Midwest Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, other places like that. The South still has a great deal of some cheap land. But the problem is is the South has a warmer climate. That's why people are flocking to Florida. For example. The Florida is a zero rated

state because it's only got two ways out of that state without electricity. You can see those traffic jams trying to leave the state and becomes very difficult to live in a place like Florida or the South without electricity for air conditioning, etc. Oh yeah, I know. I grew up in Florida without electricity. I know how it was, and I know that that was the electricity

that brought made it livable for people to come there. Let me ask you this though, you know what you're talking about, you know, planning your escape route, making sure you got some bug out and you got someplace to go. But what about the cars, and they're the effect of the MP on the cars, what do you think is going to happen from that point since all the cars have gotten increasingly under electronic control. That's true, there

are dozens of computers. You can't hardly even fix a car anymore, any of the modern cars. You have to have high tech computer reading equipment, et cetera. It's a mixed bang. Nobody really knows what's going to happen,

especially with the new super MP weapons that are being developed. But this much the government has published in their test that it's going to take at least eight or nine weapons around the United States to take down the entire grid, not just one EMP, because there are you've got to blow fuses as you

go across the country. So you can put up one b EMP and it goes out, you know, for five hundred miles and then it dies because the fuses are blown around things and it doesn't continue on through the interconnectivity of the grid. And so with eight or nine weapons, it means that only Russia and China are going to be able to do that. North Korea or ira and don't have that kind of do those. But under each weapon, there's an area about three hundred miles where the radiation is the most advanced,

which can really damage cars. But outside that three hundred miles circle, it's likely the most cars will restart again. Eddy currents formed in the computer chips will maybe shut it down, but you can turn the key off and turn it back on and they'll usually restart. That's what the government testing shows. So I'm not sure where those eight or nine weapons are going to be placed.

But here's the basic philosophy. You ought to have older cars. You don't have to go pre nineteen eighty five to non computerized cars, but that's the best solution to have one of those older vehicles around. But you can even have prior to two thousand and four. And if you get for example, Volkswagen Diesels, they have one computer. You can buy them cheap and

used market. You can have a spare computer you can just plug in if it goes bad, but generally they only have one ignition computer, and it's much less likely that they're going to you know, fry that car. Those cars from two thousand and four earlier than that, there's a lot of nice cars still available in that range that are fairly EMP resistance, and there's certain

things that you can do. There are EMP covers you can put over a car like a car cover, which will diminish the radiation that gets to the computer chips. You can also put toll roids, which are small round magnets that open up. They have little hands that open up, and you can put it around the cabling leading to your computer so that it absorbs the electromagnetic

pulse that comes down towards your computer. A lot of people don't know about that, but they're fairly inexpensive, maybe four dollars a piece on the internet. I cover these types of things in my book The Secure Home, and then you can you can EMP protect your house with Siemens puts on a first surge protector for about three hundred dollars. But you can put on your panel

that stops the surge from the power lands shunts it to ground. It doesn't predict the house from absorbing EMP within the electrical wiring in the house unless you've wired your house and conduit, which nobody does anymore, and so you do

have to have individual protectors on your computers and other things. But all those are readily available, and so to have a search protector, that'll be because the electromagnetic radiation would be carried perhaps you know, in terms of a surge, it would the surge going through the power grid would be greater than the direct electromagnetic radiation from the EMP is what you're saying. That would kind of extend the effect through the grid. Well, that's interesting, you know.

And of course, so again you know, having a place that you can go to bug out, as you point out, getting on the outskirts of a city, having a route that you can take that's not going to be blocked by the interstate because that's where everybody's going to go and you're not going to have And that's the other part of it is that everybody's getting accustomed to

driving with the maps on your phone and nobody's using paper maps anymore. So you better better run those route so that you know it, or you got a paper map to follow it. To get some pay I wonder if they even sell these things anymore. Triple even does cryptics or something like that. But yeah, make sure that you got some kind of a paper map and

paper instructions how to get out there. But any other things that you would say in terms of an EMP because I do agree that that is most likely or something's going to happen, and we get more vulnerable to it all the time, don't we. Well, that's right, and remember that if you've got a natural gas heating supply that can't run without good power, they need compressors to keep the pressure up in the gas pipelines, et cetera. That

it's good. So having propaane propane tanks as a backup is one thing, but that will only last a certain time. And without electricity, the propane refill trucks won't be able to refill, as it requires electric compressors to refill, the trucks that come out to service your tanks, and the service stations where you're going to get refills where your tanks are not going to be operating

because they're out of power. I've always seen that whenever there's a storm coming through in Florida, you know, we've lost all the power to the thanks, so you can't get a refill. So many things to think about with all that. But you know, here's another thing. As we're talking about all these different aspects here, Joel, if they don't do any EMP. They might just go the really really slow route, which is climate change.

Because all the stuff that we're talking about in terms of taking down the grid and making every making life miserable for us, they're doing that in a very slow motion way through climate measures that they're taking against people. Aren't they do all this, you know, missions control and everything. THEVP now even putting out prohibitions and demands for you know, shutting down power stations, which is

a first, we've never seen that before. Well, I have a theory though that I think the dominions at the lower level in the globalist conspiracy do not know about the war coming. All of the people touting at the wef AI Robotic Society climate change, shutting down all electric vehicles, they're going to be a world in a world of hurt when EMP comes along. Can you imagine all the people electric cars with no way to charge them, who haven't

installed a fairly substantial solar system to do that. Yeah, yeah, they're not going to. And it's the same thing with the Central Bank digital currency. You see, none of that works without the Internet, and the Internet isn't going to be working when the grid comes down. Even the elite are going to need cash, and so I've been saying that my world affairs brief. If it comes, and it probably will come before the war, it

will run concurrently with cash and they won't be able to eliminate it. Besides, there's trillions of dollars of American dollars everywhere. All the honored, even the elite, you know, are going to need cash because you know, when the electricity is down, cash will be king for a period. It'll take a while before gold or silver will get back into circulation because most people don't recognize. My brother gives out silver dollars as tips, and often he

gets bell boys and what's this man? You know, they don't know what it is. Yeah, that's funny. Talk about what happens, you know when you try to prepare and get off the grid. The vulnerability of solar panels to an MP, well, there are MP protectors for panels, and all it does is blow out the dios and you can buy replacement diet and just put them back in to the back of your solar panels and they're operating. MP will not affect the solar cells itself, just the diodes. But

then you also might have. You know, if you've got some kind of an inverter to to change it over for AC power for your appliances or something like that, that is also vulnerable as well. Right, Yeah, and there are EMP protectors for those two. Transtector Corporation has a full range of solar and EMP things. So this stuff is available. You can protect your

systems. It doesn't require some expertise, but it's all available online. The most important thing that you can't buy that you have to create yourself is remember that when there's pillaging and refugees and massive social unrests think Mad Max movie. I mean, it's going to be that bad someday, you need a place to get out of the way, and not just to retreat that's in a rural era, because as they pillage the suburbs and then all of that's gleaned

down out and they'll start to get out into the rural communities too. If you have a rural retreat or even a semi suburban home that's got a basement, I am a very big believer you need to put in a high security shelter into that basement that's concealed, so that you've walled off, you've got a fake cabinet that you have to find the door to get in there, so that when people come to pillaging your house, etc. You can just leave the doors open so they don't break in. Go into your high security

shelter where they can't find you, and get out of the way. That's the most important strategy, especially in a nuclear war, that you can put a ten inch concrete ceiling over the top, and in most places that's sufficient to cut the radiation significantly, so that you can survive the radiation. And you know, a lot of people give up and say, well, we're all going to die in a nuclear war anyway, so I'm not, but you don't die. Fifty percent of Herosim and Nagasaki survived without any protection.

Now they wish they were dead. They all got sick, you see, but they survived. And you see, God only determines you know when you die, and you may live and wish you had prepared. So I spent my life not only try to warn people about these existential threats like the nuclear war has coming, but how to prepare against them. And I hope that people take my advice and not rely on Trump or any conservative getting elected again and saving us because even if Trump were elected, even I would not be

able to root out the deep state because they control the judges. They control the NSA that would have to get the wiretap evidence on them to present to the judges, and the judges are controlled, they might throw it out. I mean, this is way way too big for electoral and conservative activism to

eradicate. We've waited too long. It's really in power now. So we need to prepare and pray to God and get on our knees and ask not just that he saved the country, which is not probably in the cards, but did he inspire us of how to use our limited resources to be able to prepare so that we can survive because He will provide away from most people and for a remnant, as Gary North used to say, to survive this. And I think I tend to be part of the remnant, and hope

people listening are too. That's right, and it is going to be something that again should point out. God has the history of taking down entire nations to show his justice. And yet even in the midst of all of that, as we see as Israel was taken away into captivity, one of the most hopeful passage in the Bible in Jeremiah twenty nine, which says, now I know the plans I have for you to prosper, not to harm, and he tells them, even though you're going to be in captivity on the

other side of this, I've got plans for you. And God does have plans for us. The key thing is for us to see him as our protector and not some politician. That is the trap and all of this stuff, and that's why I try to tell people. It seems to me like they're trying to make him the focus. Just as you know, the Democrats are wildly enough in Congress to say, the Republicans are having a civil war, let's not get in their way. Let us fall back, and we'll

let them have their civil war. We'll watch it. They are using. I think Trump is kind of the Mason Dixon line. Everybody knows, including the Democrats who are doing it. Everybody knows they're trumping up these ridiculous charges and they see how corrupt and one sided, and how there's no equal protection of the law, and they know that that works to help Trump. But they're setting everybody up, I think for this massive disappointment. I was just

talking about that earlier today. Joel Tucker was interviewing Victor David's Victor Davidson about that, and you know, and he was saying, well, we'll see, let's see what happens in twenty twenty four. And it's like, don't put your hope in that. You know, there are things that you can do individual and that's why I wanted to get you one to talk about that, things that you can do individually, Things you can do locally in your

community and your state. And we don't need to just focus everything and all of our hopes on the presidency because if we do, that puts us in a very vulnerable position. And like you, I don't think that the election is really going to be an honest one. I have thought that for the longest time anyway. And now that we've had this vote by mail stuff which was put in by Faucian Trump in twenty twenty that wasn't taken off, that's now become a fixture of our lives. And so you know, that type

of stuff has gotten even more corrupt. I mean, it's gone from control of the ballot and control of the debates, and you know, not going to have any debates of it. You know, they control every aspect of this process, including the final counting of the votes and the stuffing of the ballots, and now they've got a brand new way to do that, and

nobody's even talking about fixing that part of it. And I look at this just like I said in twenty twenty, it's like, I don't know why I'm voting for anybody because all the people that I voted for just stepped aside and turned the government over to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats were issuing orders to me to wear paper masks on my face and all the rest of the stuff, and said, I am, I'm kind of done with his politics stuff

at this point in time. So I think that's really the key issue that we haven't done anything to take back those aspects, and we need to understand that if there's not going to be any legal reform of these new institutions that have been put in place and are solidifying around us, that we need to make individual preparation. That's why what you do is so important. Again, Joelscousen dot com is where you're going to find the books that Joel we didn't

even get into a building, the secure Home. I have to get you back on and talk about that soon. But Joel Skousen dot com to find the books, and World Affairs Brief dot com to get his take on what is happening geopolitically. Thank you so much for joining us, Joel, thank you, thank you. It's always good to be with you. David, thank you. Have a good day, everybody, thanks for joining us. Let me sell you the day The Night Show you can listen to with your

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