16Nov23 ADL's Weaponized DEI Has Blown Back On Them — The Mob Turns on Its Creator

Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the David Night Show. As a clock strikes thirteen, it's Thursday, the sixteenth of November. You're of our Lord twenty twenty three. Well, today we're going to jump right into some controversies from yesterday. We have a big back and forth about Elon Musk and how anti Semitici is. Matt Drudge is full on board with this. It is kind of interesting. And then of course there's also Nikki Haley

neo khan Nuki. Perhaps she's finally stepped in it. Maybe finally people will see what she really is about and what the danger of her idea of getting rid of anonymity on the web really is about. She is a full on, full on detalitarian. We'll be right back. We're also going to be joined later in the program. Tony Ardovin is going to be joining us. We'll be talking about the economy, what is happening in the stock market,

how they manipulating every single metric. This we always knew they were going to do this. Gerald Clinty's been talking about this for quite some time. They're going to lower the interest rates. They had to come up with an excuse to lower the interest rates, and of course they really pumped up the stock market. Is it really valid what they're doing anyway, we'll talk about that

with Tony. We also have coming up in the third hour, we'll be talking to Mark Thornton, Senior Fellow at the Mises Institute, and we'll be talking to him about what they do, but especially about a book that he wrote a few years ago, kind of looking at the commercial real estate crash back in two thousand and eight, taking that apart, because that is now part of the leading edge of what I think may turn into our economic crash

coming up. So we'll be talking to him about that as well. But let's begin with the the non controversial stuff, back and forth, race baiting, hatred, Israel versus Palestine, Jew versus BLM, all the rest of the stuff. Let's just jump right into all that. I mean, anyway, we do politics and we do religion here, so let's just jump into all the back and forth racism charges that are happening. And you've got Matt Drudge who yesterday had this at the top. He's got a picture of a

sea of Orthodox Jews there and he says Musk says Jews are getting what they deserve, and then he changed it to this this morning musk the world's richest bigot, another Twitter firestorm against the Jews. Well, it is kind of interesting, isn't it that, you know, when he uses this picture of you know, Passidic Jews, and they're the ones, really, the ultra Orthodox Jews are the ones who are not really supporting what is going on with

the Israeli government. I showed you the picture of a few I guess a week or two ago, of the Orthodox Jews or I don't know labels here ultra Orthodox the city. Quite I apologize I have I don't have all my labels down and all the different denominations of you know, Judaism. But you had these guys who look like that, who typically don't like what is happening

with the Israeli secular government. I don't join to fight the military. And I showed the picture of these guys being in the sneak attack that was done on them by the thug cop that was there, you know, like he's going to be walking past this one guy, and then last minute he sweeps his arm around and puts his leg behind him and slams him backwards down on

the concrete. I mean he could have killed him with the head. I mean we see that all the time and places like New York where people get sucker punched because the color of their skin and hit the ground, crack their skull, kill them. And then he started coming after this other guy, but there was a guy behind him with a camera and that kind of backed him off. So you know, there's there's it's not this monolithic thing. Like I said, there's a lot of different strains of Judaism. There's religious

Judaism, there's political Judaism. There's the people that are involved there and what he's criticizing. You still got the picture of that. Okay, let's get the video of that. Let's let's play that. Someone says he's got it. Yeah, here we go. Okay, who's the Jew here? Oh? Okay? These are the guys that that we're protesting the government, And of course Drudge puts their picture up to say that Musk is anti Semitic. So is that Israeli copy any Semitic? Then he's doing a lot more to

these people than Elon must did. Yeah, okay, so that's your task in this video point out who the anti Semite is okay, it's not anti Semitic to criticize the government. I'm not called anti French when I criticized Macron. I'm not called anti Canadian when I criticized Trudeau, or anti British when I criticized Bojo or whatever, on and on and on. These people are in a public arena, and that they can't handle the criticism, then get

out. Politics is different, and I try to criticize these people over their policies and over their actions and not over who they are even whoever I'm talking about, and so that's a very different thing. But it's the people like the ad L and the Southern Povery Law Center that have said no, they're

the same thing. A lot of Jews don't agree with that, and I think Jews need to understand that the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center and institutions of that ILK are the Jewish ku klux Klan and they need to disavow them. You know, they were the ones who, as people were putting up signs six years ago on campuses saying it's okay to be white, and that was a very effective campaign because it showed their bigotry, didn't it.

It's not okay to be white. Take those things down. And ADL and Southern Primary Law Center chimed right in started accusing these people of being KKK. It's like, no, you are the KKK. I said. For the longest time, over a decade ago, I was doing reports about SPLC, so called Southern Poverty Law Center, and I showed these guys. I said, they're nothing but a bunch of hate pimps. They go around and they

find people that they hate and accuse them of being hateful. And now we see that with hate speech and hate crimes and hate this and censorship on the internet and all the rest of stuff. I'm done with all of that stuff. And that's what these people were saying. We're done with all this stuff. Stop playing the games. It's come back. You've been hoisted by your own petard now because the radicals that you have created. Like I said yesterday,

same thing I said yesterday. So I looked at that, and I looked at what the tweet was that he retweeted what must retweeted, and I said, well, okay, that's essentially what I said yesterday during the program. And it's very much like I said yesterday, I've seen anybody else Compare the ADL and Jonathan Greenblatt to Robosphere and the French Revolution. But those Marxist,

that leftist revolution. You organize this mob to hate a particular group, an economic class in that particular instance, and then the mob turned on him. And that's essentially what has happened to the ADL and the SPLC. And if the Jews at large don't distance themselves from the ad L and the Southern

Poverty Law Center, then basically it's going to continue to metastasize. You got to understand that, just like the ku Klux Klan, the ad L and the Southern Pomary Law Center are a cancer, and you know you got to got to cut that off. It's like being a bit by a snake, poisonous snake. Remember that in the remake of a True Grit, she gets the heroine, the center of the story, gets bit on the hand by a snake and they rush her and she almost dies by they amputat her army.

You see her later at the very end of the movie, see her later in life with just one arm spoiler alert. So I said that first, but you know that still can't happen. Just before we left Texas, I sold my piano to someone and she came by and she said, you know, it's just a It wasn't. Just about a month ago, I got bit by a rattlesnake. I was not doing gardening, and you know,

there's one last thing that I wanted to reach out to get. I didn't see the snake behind the you know they're in the bushes, and it reached out and struck me. So she said, fortunately I was able to kill it, take a picture of it, and then go to the hospital. Said that's a rattlesnake. You need to go to a poison control center, and fortunately there was one nearby. They had anti venom. They started giving her the anti venom, but she said she showed pictures of her arm

and it swelled up like popeyes, you know arm. And the doctor kept coming in with a magic marker, and you know, he would make a mark on her arm as to where the swelling had stopped and put a time there and as the and then he would come back later on and do another one. They kept coming up and coming up and coming up for arm, and he was doing that to see what was going to happen with it. If it's going to keep going up to a certain point, he was going

to have to take that arm off, just like in true Grit. Fortunately he didn't. Unfortunately the Andy venom kicked in and it started subsiding and going down the arm again. But that's what the Jonathan Green Black Green Blat and the snakes like him have bit the arm of the Jewish people in America,

and you better cut them off because they are poison. They really are distancing yourself from them, just like we as white people, Southerners ought to distance ourselves from the k klux Klan. I have nothing to do with those people. I reject everything they've done. You know, they have co opted the Cross of Christ. They co opted the Confederate flag. You know, the Confederate flag. Ku Kluxkan is not what the Confederate flag stands for, just

like the cross is not what they stand for either. Nikki Haley is confused about all those things, and we'll talk about her coming up. She doesn't know or care anything about American history, especially anonymity, and she rejects the constitutions. She thinks that she's running for dictator. What she has to say, I'd be the disqualification the end of her run if anybody. But of course it's not because she's giving big business and the military industrial complex and will

give them everything that they want. But we'll get to her. Let's talk about Elon Musk and what was said. So the original post said this Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dielectrical dialectical, electrical dialectical hatred against twites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. That's exactly what I said yesterday. You know, I broadened it out a little bit by talking about the French Revolution. How you start these radical people and you

start a mob, that mob can eventually come for you. And I said from the very beginning, from the very beginning, day one, and of course has happened on a Saturday. I was gone that Monday, so first

time I talked about it was Tuesday. By that time, it was very clear that you had all these radical leftists and BLM, the people that the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center had been weaponizing as their little army, and of course the liberal Democrats, and that these people were turning on Jewish people, attributing to them the faults of their own government, you know, that were yet to come really, you know, but things that they had done

in the past, things that were being talked about doing. And so they were coming after the Jewish people because they didn't like what the nation of Israel, the political Israel, had been doing. And I said, you understand why they're coming after them. They're calling them colonizers and the rest of this stuff they're attributing them and projecting onto them, the same stuff that they've been taught in these elite universities and the same stuff that BLM has been doing.

So immediately turned on them. So and yesterday as I talked about the fact that at MIT they're blocking Jewish students from going to class, and I said, well, MIT has been blocking most white students and being able to even get admitted into these institutions like Harvard and MIT. You know, they're picking people based on the color of their skin, not the content of their character, their merit. That's been going on my entire life, and I'm fine

with it because I don't want to go to an organize. I don't want to go to a university like that. I don't have anything to do with it, and now that is a cancer that is spread. Used to be that that was just in the elite Ivy League schools when I was going to school, but now that's spread everywhere, and all these teachers are radical Marxists. I had a radical Marxist professor I dropped his class part of the core curriculum that had to take it. You know, it wasn't an issue in

engineering, but we had to take some core a curricula. And this guy who just had this chip on his shoulder. Unbelievable. But anyway, the person said, I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest let's just say concern now about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes and minorities that support flooding their own country don't exactly like them too much. And so Musk said, you have said the actual truth. So then you have the Atlantics

year Rosenberg. And this is being reported of course by Media Height, and media Height and Drudge have been feeding off of each other. You know, MEDII is quoted by Drudge, and then Mediaite returns a favor and they quote Drudge, and you know, they keep going back and forth and back and forth, keep escalating this, and so the Atlantic Sier Rosenberg I said, Musk has aligned himself with anti Semitic rhetoric. This is literally the conspiracy theory

espoused by the white supremacist the massacre the Pittsburgh Tree of Life Synagogue. Well, you know, here's the thing. When you say, well, I don't know that that's true or not. I haven't looked at the manifesto from these people. Isn't it interesting that the manifesto from the white supremacist so it's put out the manifesto from the transgender killers being carefully hidden by the FBI in the Nashville Police department. You said, that's the part of it as well.

And the simple fact of the matter is that you can. You know when you look at Ben Shapiro during the vaccine stuff, as Ben Shapiro was pushing the vaccine, he wanted to demonize anybody who opposed the vaccine. Oh, Ben Shapiro is such a clever propagandist for the establishment, isn't he? And so he gets Lewis farr Khan and Louis fair Khan said everything I was

saying, we weren't copying each other. We just came to that conclusion independently, But he used Louis fair Khan to demonize people like me Shapiro did, and to tell people that they needed to get the vaccine, which now he's distanced himself from because everybody knows what it is now, and that's the way

he works. I don't agree with Louis fair Khan on pretty much anything, but he said I don't know that I ever agreed with him on anything, but he was one hundred percent right about what he said about the vaccine, and Ben Shapiro was one hundred percent wrong. But he used that to demonize anybody who would push back against taking an untested genetic code injection. And that's

the same thing that Rosenberg is doing here. Well, you know, they've got these crazy people who murdered a bunch of people, and they said something like that. Looked kind of like what this is? Presumably so it means that you're like them. See, I was like, according to Ben Shapiro, I was like Lewis Ferricot, No. No. I hope people can start seeing through these tactics that they use, these controllers like Ben Shapiro, like Tucker Carlson, like Alex Jones that are given to you. I hope

you can see through this tactic that they use. You know, if you disagree with the politics or the policies of Bibi, then you are racist, you are anti Semitic. That's what they want us to believe. And so as they get into this echo chamber back and forth between Drudge and media, you know, uh again, I have seen all this stuff. I have been called by the ADEL I've been called racist, I've been called a hate bonger. I was singled out and attacked two weeks into this medical martial law

because I called it medical martial law. You know, it's obviously this anti government conspiracy theorist. Well you better believe I'm anti government, but it's not a theory that they've got a conspiracy. But of course they called me out and I'm racist because I disagree with them politically. So everybody's got to have

the race card put in their face. And the problem is that besides the fact that the ADL's mob has now turned on them, they have also given a pass to real racism because it's become such a you know, they cried wolf for so long about situations where there's not any racism. It's just anybody that they disagree with. Racist, racist, racist. You've seen this over and over again. People go to one of these protests and these people are

screaming racism in the street. It's like, okay, well tell me, you know, put the microphone in their face, tell me why you're saying that this is racist or hateful. And all they'll do is just look at them and scream racist, racist, racist. They won't talk. They have nothing to say. It's like when my wife Karen went to the Planned Parenthood place and she's got to sign up saying, you know, this is black genocide. What is happening here, This is the origins of Planned parents,

that black genocide. And so that's the first time we ever saw the anti fought people. And this motley crew of looks like a homeless street people show up and they've got a one one of these guys has got a black sign says nothing on it, it's just a black sign. And he stands there in front of my wife and puts it up, and she goes down, and he goes down. She goes up, he goes up, and they're going up and down there. He's got nothing to say, he just doesn't

want you to say anything. Perfect example of censorship. It's like a clown to show of censorship, to act it out, you know, actually acting out that I want to redact what you have to say now, not going to let you do it. And so again it's very interesting that Drudge uses the very people, the very Jewish people who have the most issues with the political state of Israel and with Bibi Netanyahu, uses them as poster children to

accuse people of racism. And again the echo chamber of media height after he posts that, they come back and say unvarnished anti semitism quote unquote Elon Musk catches all hell for a green with bigoted tweet. They say, And so this is you have a Matthew Iglesias because meanwhile America is riches man chimes in to say that Jews are getting what we deserve for being liberals. Well, your liberal policies will come back to hit you again. You keep confusing politics

with your ethnic and cultural identity. I'm not confused about it. You are, and you're trying to gaslight people that they're the same thing. You can be liberal or you can be conservative, and you can be Jewish either way, but you're trying to connect the two. You can be Jewish and disagree with the Nation of Israel, but I'm not allowed to disagree with the Nation of Israel. I'm not playing those games. You can call me whatever you

want to. I'm not going to be intimidated by you, and nobody should be intimidated by these people anymore. They're a bunch of grifting crooks who profit off of hate. And that's the video that I did eleven years ago. I showed pictures of the scumbags that are running the Southern Powery Law Center, and I put underneath that profits of hate. You know, they're prophesying hate everywhere, and they're accusing everybody who hated everywhere. But it's a p r

f t s the money that they're about. It's all about the money, and they're offshore bank accounts, so they've got hundreds of millions of dollars, over three hundred million dollars last time I looked at it about five or six years ago. Even the Left accuses these people of being phony charities and warns people about donating to the Southern Poverty Law Center The ADL. Matthew Iglesias. I guess this is not name. The Adel clearly had Musk all wrong.

The dude has zero tolerance for anti Semitism and just wants the world to know that Hitler was right about the Jews because Jews advanced hatred against white No, it's the ADL and Southern Poverary Law Center, and you need to quit aligning yourself with this ku klux Klan version of Judaism. So again, the colonizer stuff from day one, that's Marxism, that's BLM, the black lying Marxist

calling people colonizers. I said, look, they're you know, doing the same thing to them as a matter of fact, and we'll talk about the fact that that's what the left is. That that's the mechanism by which they have flipped on these Jewish controllers of the Marxist mob, because they're now saying, well, you guys are privileged, you guys are colonizers, you guys

are white. That's exactly what they're doing right now. It is precisely the weapons that they used against us for political purposes, for their wealth, for their organizations, those exact weapons are now being wielded against them. Arman Domluski says Elon must thinks the Jews deserve what's coming for them because they didn't stand up for white people enough. What a stupid take this is. They didn't

stand up for white people enough. They these organizations again, you know, they they make the Jews synonymous with the ADL and with the state of Israel. Musk also received praise from white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Again, this is the same kind of stuff that they did with Lewis ferri Con, that Ben Shapiro did. That's their tactic. You got to be aware of that tactic,

guilt by association. Well, you said that the sky is blue, and this other guy said the sky is blue, so therefore you have all of the This guy is a hateful racist, so therefore you are a hateful racist because you said the sky is blue. It's the same thing that Ben Shapiro did. Lewis fay Con was one hundred percent right. Ben Shapiro was

zero percent right about the vaccines. But what he's trying to do with that was to show that if you oppose Trump's shot, or more importantly, big pharmaceutical shot, then you're as stupid and as hateful and as ignorant as Lewis fer Khn that's what he was trying to do. Good luck with that then, So Musk tries to backpedal after backpedal after you agreeing with an antisemitic tweet,

and fails spectacularly. Again, this is part of the Drudge mediaite, Drudge mediaite, you know, echo chamber, going back and forth and he you know, they they demonized it. They said, he you retweeted from somebody who's only got a couple of thousand followers. Well, you know what, the number of followers that you have doesn't really make any difference. It really doesn't, you know, I if your shadow band, nobody sees what

you're doing anyway. But but it doesn't really matter having a lot of followers. It's like you're telling somebody telling the truth or not. It's like having a big studio. Right guy worked for you to spend millions of dollars on I mean millions of dollars on massive video screens and all the rest of the stuff to impress everybody. You know, don't listen to what I'm saying. Look at the gilded lily that I'm selling you. I don't look at all

the decorations I've got around me. Isn't that impressive? You try to look so much like establishment media that maybe people don't realize that you sound exactly like establishment media. You're mockingbird media, and that's how you got all this money, right, saying exactly what they want you to say. So, look, you know, is having a multimillion dollar studio? Is that something that helps or hurts somebody's credibility? You might want to think about that anyway.

So they chime in and Mediaite says, yeah, that's right. The guy who owns one of the most influential social media sites in the world publicly agreed with tweet declaring that Jews push hatred against whites while also embracing replacement theory. Then he re upped his attacks on the Anti Defamation League because that's what this is about. You see, they want you to think that any attack on the ideal is attack on Jews. Elon Musk was attacking ADL. I'm attacking

the ADL. That's a different thing. And he goes on to talk about he says the ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people in Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenants criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. This is not right and it needs to stop. And he says, yes, decolonization quote unquote necessarily implies a Jewish genocide. Thus it is unacceptable to

any reasonable person. And I have to say that to the people. Look, when you criticize the policies of the Israeli government and you start to say they need to be eradicated and they need to be removed from the land, you understand that the same argument is going to be used to remove a land from us with reparations and all the rest of stuff. You guide RFK Junior

jumping into reparations and all these other Democrat politicians. You see, it doesn't matter whether you have had the land for four hundred years or four fifty, whatever it is, six seventy years, eighty years, whatever, It really doesn't matter. If they want it back, they'll call you a colonizer to steal it from you. If they want justifications steal it from me, they'll do that. Look, we understand how are boundaries and nations created. They're

created by war, They're created by violence. And so this is what we have, and we can learn to live within that, or we can decide that we want to redraw all the boundaries and change the nation and all the rest of this stuff, and then we can go into violence again. It's just that simple. Let's just leave it the way that it is and let us try to exist peacefully with other people as much as is possible for us. That's the key thing. And so don't fall into that trap of the

colonizer thing, because that's going to be used against conservatives as well. You're right that this does not extend all Jewish communities, but it is also not just limited to the ADL, says Elon Musk. Four minutes later, he went after the ADL again, claiming that the organization advocates for quote, anti

white and anti Asian racism. And he's exactly right. They've advocated for these policies, and so has RFK Junior of set asidence admissions based on your skin color, your ethnic group, and all the rest of the stuff at the universities and working for the government. Look again, you know, I'm glad

that they did that. I wouldn't want to be educated by these people, and I'm glad the government has all these rules, because I wouldn't want to work for the government that has rules like that, Like what we were saying about the vaccine mandates. It's like, Okay, well it's bad. You know, you're dependent on this, this is all your living and everything.

But think about your future. Do you really want to need to work for an organization like this that thinks they have the right to demand that you take an untested, dangerous shot, they demand that you take it. Do you really want to continue to work for an organization like that? And I've talked to so many people who say, boy, it's really been a blessing to not work for them anymore. Things have been as good or in many cases much much better, especially the people who did it to honor God, where

God has honored them. I've seen that story so many times. No longer having to work for some organization that treats you like their property, but maybe you work for yourself, So the risk of being repetitive sod elon Musk. I'm deeply offended by Adyl's messaging and any other groups who pushed de facto anti white racism or anti Asian racism or racism of any kind. He says, I'm sick of it. Stop it now. But they won't stop because they've

been blindsided by hatred and racism. It's a very profitable thing for them, and they're going to continue to project their hatred their racism on other people. And so one hundred percent agree with Elon Musk in this. Uh denver right away, the ADL drives anti Semitism. It does not prevent it. It's is its mission and inversion of its stated mission. Yes, in my opinion, he says, and I agree with him. I think it is. Now. This is what Victor Davis Hanson, the historian that said he said

and what he did. He got into the historical mechanism and he explains in detail why this is. He doesn't go back to the French Revolution type of thing in Robesperary being caught by this, but he goes back to the Third Reich and the Final Solution and all the rest of this stuff. And he says, uh, you know, this is how and why this is all bouncing back on the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Jews that

align themselves with these lies and this racism and this hatred. He said, when the mini satanic paradoxes of the Third reichs architecture of the Final Solution was a requirement mandated after the nineteen thirty nine outbreak of the war that Jews anywhere under German rule or occupation had to wear a yellow badge or an armband with the Star of David. Yet was not all of this elaborate bureaucratic need for

identification. Wasn't it embarrassing to the Nazi apparat? He said? After all, if the Nazi doctrine about the supposedly manifest aryan racial superiority, their nor to looks, their build, their superior intelligence, their stable disposition, If that were so persuasive, then why did they need for Jews to identify themselves? In contrast, the Star of david IDs were prima facia proof that the entire bankrupt Nazi project was based on the unspoken fear that millions of Jews were

indistinguishable in all respects from other Europeans. Yet, currently the entire industry of anti Semitic hatred has flipped. And that's what it is. It's an industry. Ad l Southern Poverty Law Center are an industry. It says, it's flipped from Jews as toxic non whites to Jews as toxic whites. The two common denominators of racial obsession and hating Jews remain the same. Left wing anti Semites have been so effective at galvanizing campus hatred of Israel and by association of

Jews in general. It's their careful effort to brand themselves as dei victims. Why tarring Jews with the empty white supremacy slur. Jews and Israel now supposedly enjoy toxic white privilege. They are libeled as veritable white supremacists. They colonized Palestine, and as European imperialists, as if four hundred years of Ottoman imperialism in the Middle East never occurred. Yeah, you say that, it's a historian. You know, people want to talk about slavery. Well, you

know, people who were most enslaved were the Slavs. That's why we have that word. Every civilization had slavery. But no, we're going to say that is a special American institution, special Western institution. We need to use that as the basis to dismantle Western civilization. But colonization and perialization has happened throughout the Middle East for millennia where it was a Roman you know, the Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire before that, and over and over and over

again before that. By the way, you know, when we talk about all this stuff, races, I said many times, is just a misnomer. There's only one race. If you believe God, if you believe the Bible, it says that He's made of one blood, all nations, all nations. So what does what does that mean? That means different people groups, But the Bible routinely talks about every nation, tongue, in tribe. But Michael Sava talks about it. He says, it's really the distinctions between

people, not skin color and things like that. The distinction really are borders, language and culture, borders nations, languages, tongues, and culture, tribes. So he's basically just changing the terms in a way that be more contemporary. That's the things that distinguish and separate us. And all this focus on our genetic background, our skin color and all the rest of stuff is not something that Christians look at. You know, Christ has erased all those

barriers. There's no male and female distinctions in terms of hierarchy and that type of thing. There's different roles, but there's no hierarchical distinction or separation or one is not better than the other. He said, there's no Jew, no Greek. There's also today no white, no black. All those distinctions have been erased. We need to see each other as all those who are in need of God's mercy and forgiveness, and not as you're the other and

you're evil. Right, we don't. We don't as Christians. We don't fight with flesh and blood. We understand that we're fighting ideas, and we're fighting the powers behind those ideas that continue to deceive people. And we need to see the other people that are opposing us, maybe even violently opposing us. We need to understand that they themselves have been taken captive. Again.

I think of the Lord of the Rings. I think of Theatin. You know, at the very end, Gondolf comes and he's being controlled as now privileged white victimizers. Victor Davis Hansen says pride Jews are not seen now any longer as victims of the Holocaust. You see, that was the other thing you had Jonathan green Blade out there over the weekend on media. It's become an oppression Olympics. It's like, that's because that's what you did. You

put all this stuff. You've got this victim hood hierarchy right that you've created for your institution, for your industry of racism. You have industrial racism being sold to you by the ad L and by the Southern Priory Law Center. And this guy who did this complains about an oppression Olympics. He's set up the oppression Games, the depression hunger Games for the longest time. It's a game that they play. He thinks he knows it very well. It is

the oppression Olympics. It just now that people have put them on the bad team. You know. Wait, wait, I'm not with these guys. I'm with you. No, we're saying you're with those guys. Now, that's what Victor David Hanson is saying. He said it was no acts that a racist BLM on news of the October seventh massacres quickly quickly issued posters glorifying Hamas and the hang gliding murderers. And that's the first thing I said.

So do you see how these people lined up? It was oh surprise that dei zars and professors and various ethnic and race studies programs proved the most prominent on campus and damning Israel and as Jewish citizens as racist and who was shocked when university administrators a cowardly mit campus is a good example simply warren Jews of no go zones rather than ensuring that there were no such zones anywhere on campus

for any one. And that's what I said to us. I said, okay, so now we're going to push back against this, and you've got the donors who are leaving the big universities. Don't don't you do any of that anti semitism, that anti white stuff. You continue that, okay, that's fine, we like that. The anti white, anti Asian, that's okay. Just don't do that anti Semitism stuff, because we're taking your money

away if you do. Jews seem to be collateral damage from the damning of an entire group of people, namely white Americans and Europeans, in a society that is supposedly wedded to Martin Luther King Junior's dictum that we should be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin. That is shocking how the racist DEI and woke industries have been given a complete pass to castigate and demonize an entire group without any concern for individual characteristics, or

for class, or for religious or for ethnic differences. He said, Indeed, white is as sloppy a term as Hispanic, just as a third generation Cuban American professional has almost no intrinsic ethnic political class, often no linguistic affinities with impoverished Oxicans who just crossed illegally into America and vice versa. You see why, you know, they've grown up. I knew a lot of Cuban

Americans growing up. Their parents had come during the Cuban missile crisis, things like that Castro in the fifties and early sixties and stuff, and you know, they they enjoyed their culture, their music and stuff like that, and

played in the bands I was in. I was typically the only non Cuban in the band, you know, And these guys really really rocked when it came to trumpet really, but you know, it was it was they were American and they identified with conservative values, you say, because it's that nation tongue and tribe and culture and things like that. And gradually, as he's pointing out, these people have been here for three generations. You know, they see the Cuban American you know, we like the Cuban food, like

the Cuban music. But you know, hey, we liked the American politics and the American system. And I've always lived here. This is my country. That type of thing, And so he says, and so too. A white male from rural America is working as a walder in the ozarks or logger and the severe Sierra has zero solidarity with a white Bay Area techi at Google or an Ivy League legacy preppie who is screaming from the river to the sea in Harvard Yard. But white is not just a ridiculous construct that ignores

the multiplicities of European ethnic and religious fault lines. The vast difference is in white class income and politics, and the increasing frequency of whites marrying non whites. When joined with a tier with the tiered epithets of privilege and supremacy and rage white privileged, white supremacy, white rage, he said, the result grows even more incoherent and sinister. Proof of this privilege of whites is it that their life expectancy is lower than Hispanics and Asians. Is white supremacy.

The fact that white privilege, whether they a suicide rate that is higher than Blacks, Asians and Hispanics, is white Privilege's dying in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq at double the numbers of the general population is white privilege. And an ordinate percentage of fentanyl deaths, A current percentage of whites and Ivy League freshman classes of twenty to forty percent despite making up fifty five percent of the youth

demographic. Yeah, what I was saying before, and I'm not even going to get into those schools, And good if you don't, because they're going to make you hate yourself, right, just like that national shooter. Hate your skin color, hate your gender, hate everybody else. That's the way they get it. Why does so called white rage not result in whites being overrepresented as perpetrators of hate crimes as are Latinos and blacks. Why are blacks

more likely to assault or kill whites than vice versa. Is there a term black rage that you see in the FBI statistics? Know about interracial crimes? Woke and DEI fans have created entire anti white privilege industries. We've got things like the Duke Lacrosse lie, the Covington Kids myth, the Jesse Smollett fiasco.

He doesn't even go back as far as the first one. I remember Al Sharpton and Tauana Brawley, and of course Al Sharpton's had a long career as a race pimp, never had to answer for any of the lies that he told. The ironic but pathetic efforts of whites to make to fake a non white identity in order to get privileges, or to win admissions, or to get status and jobs. I think of Elizabeth Warren, he points out, you know, trying to pretend that she's not white but she's Native American.

Or Rachel Deleezel, who was white but pretended she was black so she could and even became the former head of the NAACP in Spokane, Washington. Identity fakery is traditionally an empirical guide to privilege, otherwise non whites' transitioning to white status, as in the segregationist and overtly racist days of the Old South. It's a matter right if you know the musical Showboat, which is probably passed out of most people's cultural consciousness, Now, that was the essence of

it. Yeah, I had this central character whose mother was black but she had light skin, and so you know, she's trying to pass for being white, and that type of thing exactly the opposite thing is happening now, As he points out Rachel delizel Elizabeth Warren, why did the New York Times dub Hispanic and half Peruvian George Zimmerman to be a white Hispanic They've never used that term or phrase for any other person, even though two thirds of Hispanic

quote unquote Americans self identifies white. Well, because they were trying to demonize Zimmerman by calling him white. They see that was part of the demonization. Call him whitem x. Kendy earned lucrative fees and honor area espousing anti racism and founded in anti racism academic center that produced no tangible research. This is what she van Fleet was saying last week. You know, it's not enough to you have to oppose and struggle session who you are and that type of

thing. That's what they're really up to. This is really a Marxist tactic. He doesn't get down to that, but that's she van Fleet knows what this is all about. The industry of white demonization also plays a role in the drastic productions in the US Armed Forces recruitment. The drop off in white rule and suburban males is demonstrable, and the reason is most likely their weariness with constant woke hectoring and discrimination. Look at what Mark Millie said in testimony

to Congress June twenty twenty one. He pontificated about ferreting out white rage and white privilege in the ranks, despite providing no evidence or data to back up his white bias is racism allegations. Another self loathing liberal well to wrap it up, Victor Davis Hansen says anti Semitism is on the rise, fortified by the campus dei and woke crowd. Hate crimes are soaring. Violent crime in general is on the upspring. Military recruitment is dropping. Trust in the media

is plunging. Anti Semites are proud and not ashamed of acting out their hatred. The progressive woke agenda is imploding. Yeah, they said inced again. To me, this all just looks like a replay of the French Revolution. You know, history rhymes, and so you know, instead of it being class based, it's race based. And that was a conscience, that was a conscious thing by the Marxists. I've said many times, you go back

and look at Bill Air's and Bernadine Dorn and their Weather Underground. They said, we want a Marxist revolution, you've got to have conflict between between groups, this Hegelian conflict. It doesn't work for us to talk about class. Class is so deeply entrenched in Europe. They could have a class warfare, class revolution, everythings they did in France and other places. But he said, you know, here in America, we can do it with race and

skin color. And that's what they've been up to. So that's what the whole thing is about. The one comedy nominator, says Victor David Sanson, is a now acceptable notion that is not just permissible, but it is encouraged to smear without evidence over two thirds of Americans as the sole beneficiaries of privilege, prone to rage and conspiring to ensure racial supremacy. And all of it is lies. All of it is for a Marxist revolution, a socialist revolution,

if you will. But there are lies, nevertheless, and useful to their promulgators, as they are toxic and incendiary to the multi racial consensuals society. If they're not addressed, refuted, and discredited. It has pastime for Americans to reject all racial stereotyping and the racist careerists who leverage it before we

all descend into tribal nihilism. And so for that, I'm sure that you know, you'll probably see his article featured up on the Drudge Report as somebody who has just died in the world racist who agrees with Lewis Ferrikhan and Nick Flintes and all the rest of the stuff. I wouldn't even talk to Nick Funtes. Some of the dregs that Alex would bring into there just amazing. But look the answer, how do we do this? How do we do this? Well, the answer truly is turning to God. God is the

one who brings peace. If we have peace with God, we will then have peace with each other. But we have to first get that peace with God. And so also on the drudg Report this morning, you look at that headline I showed you this was yesterday, must the Jews are getting what they deserve? Same picture and then different he had another Twitter firestorm against the Jews and everything. Then down in the corner right underneath this, he's got

this picture. Look at that. How damning that is. Can you imagine that you would have congressmen just a couple of them, I mean you others about five hundred people and Senate in the House and everything, and you got a handful of them less than ten kneeling and praying. Can't have that, Oh we're going to have Christian nationalism. Well you better turn to God, because if you don't turn to God and get healing in peace with God, you're going to be at war with each other. Everybody is That is the

answer, quite frankly. And so there's all these articles that Drudge puts underneath there for people attack him for that. Look, I got it. I you know, I don't shy away from talking about my disagreements with Michael Johnson, Mike Johnson and beginning with his support of Trump, beginning with his u turn for Ukraine. And that's the key thing, you know, we should pray for our leaders. I think still that he is a person of character.

I'm hoping even though he switched on Ukraine, I'm hoping that he's not been taken captive by the lust for power and position. And so that's what you need to pray for. Him. You need to pray that he's got the characters, stay the course, and just as important as character, he has to have discernment, which he doesn't have on so many issues. If he has character, he's liking discernment about some of these things. And so

you need to pray for both of those things. But you need to understand that what freaks out Matt Drudge and the left and the ADL and this Southern Bowery Law Center and all these people, what freaks them out about seeing somebody pray or even having somebody silently pray. Of course you know from an abortion

clinic. But for the most part, when they see a teacher of the fifty yard line kneeling and silently pray, or they see the Speaker of the House is a couple of other congressmen kneeling and praying on the floor of the house, they don't understand the difference between establishment and exercise, the free exercise of religion. If you're telling me that I can't kneel and pray, you are the problem. I am not the problem. You are the problem.

And you have a problem with our system of government, and you have a problem with toleration, and you want to censor people, and you want to compel people to do what you think is right. You're the one who is intolerant. You're the one who is a tyrant. It's not the people who are silently praying and exercising their religion that is protected, should be protected, will be protected in America. And if you've got a problem with that,

you're the problem. I'm not apologizing for it. Nobody needs to apologize for that. We'll be right back. Interested in a curated list of the finest classical music, find it now at APS radio dot com, Liberty It's Your Move, and now the David Knight Show. I see a comment from Guard Goldsmith spot on the ad L is a power thirsty political group, a secular cabal that has replaced traditional Jewish religious belief with an adoration of the state,

tying US statism to Zionism. ADL is ultimate generational corporate gas lighting, always using claims of defense to go on offense and to attack people. Spot on Guard, I agree with that completely. Malutin Milankovic says, to learn who rules over you learn who you can't criticize. Well, that is absolutely true. I guess you could say that even though Candice Owen works for Ben Shapiro, he doesn't rule over her because he's been very critical of him, and

this is the other thing that's been coming out of emotionally unhinged. He called her, and the two of them have been fighting publicly on Twitter, and that's the kind of thing that can get you fired. Now, he said, hey, if by all means quit, if if you think that your work at the Daily Wire comes between you and God, because he got very upset about the fact that she put a Bible quote up as a part of

their dispute. He says, you have been acting unprofessionally, and oh, she came back and told him, you have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for weeks. Now, Well, I agree with that. I think he has. But the bottom line is I don't think she should quit. If I were her, I would use his platform to oppose him and to oppose his lies and his hatred. I did that myself, so you know, do that till he fires you. But she's also kind of covering her basis.

She is being very flattering to Tucker, obsequious, even because this has been something going back and forth between them. Candice Owen, you know, was really kind of sheepish in terms of interviewing Trump. She's not going to criticize Trump. She's not going to criticize the vaccine stuff. And of course, you know Ben Shapiro, as I mentioned, one of the biggest pushers of the vaccine thing. But nevertheless, somebody asked Shapiro a question, and

this went up on social media. I'm sure by now you've probably seen it a little bit hard to hear what it says. I'm not playing the clip instead, I'll just read you the quote. He said, I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous, and then he went on to say her commentary on Israel has been disreputable. Hours later, she

posted on Twitter a Bible quote. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are when men shall revalue and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one

and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. So he took that personally, what you serve me. I've got the money, I've got the I pay your check. You do what I say. So at least she's not doing that. He came back. He said, Candace, if you feel like taking money from the Daily Wire somehow comes between you and God, by all means quit. Well, no, Ben, she's just saying she won't sell your war for money. It's I would not sell his

January the sixth thing for money. I wouldn't sell people. I wouldn't sell people into the fear and slavery of a lockdown. Buy my mask with info Wars on it. You know that's kind of stuff. I wouldn't do that. Absolutely will not do that. Owen has replied to that and said, you've been acting unprofessionally, unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for weeks now. We have all had to sit back and allow it, and have all tried to exercise

exceeding understanding for your raw emotion. But you cross a certain line when you come for scripture and read yourself into it. I will not tolerate it. She said, Well, I don't know. I mean if I kind of think she probably meant that if the shoe fits, wear it. But you know, the I don't know if she's got a history of posting Bible quotes

or not. But you know, there's a lot of talk about war, isn't there, And so we should remember what Jesus said about peace, and we should remember about how the love of money is the root of all evil, and how we can't serve money as our god and serve God at the same time. All that is very appropriate, not just to Ben Shapiro, but to all these people, Lindsey Graham, Nuki Haley, all of these people, and to our society in general. Everybody getting so raw and emotional

over this. And I understand and I think that that, you know, the pictures of children, especially babies, blown up and mutilated. I said, we need to show the truth about abortion. We need to take that for a positive thing. We need to get people upset about death and about murder and use it to protect life instead of expanding the death and the murder.

That's the problem I have with it. You see, both the people who support Israel and the people who support Hamas are both showing you pictures because they want more people killed. I want to show pictures of the sixty million plus babies that have been mutilated so we can stop that. It's a very different purpose. And you notice nobody's showing that. And even though you'll have the media, you know, depending on which side of the conflict they're on,

they'll show you their murdered babies, but they won't neither side. Neither side will allow you to show a picture of a murdered and mutilated, aborted baby. Aborted, yeah, aborted. That's and Drudge knew that. That's why he And it wasn't even a picture of a mutilate. It was a beautiful picture of life, the baby Samuel grasping the pinky of the surgeon in that surgery, the unborn baby. That was a powerful statement of life.

And it was Fox News who fired Matt Drudge for showing that on his program. And he knew that they would fire him for showing that program, and that's why he showed the picture. It wasn't to support life. I was very disappointed when I met him and he told me that because that's the first thing I said, because that's the best thing you ever did. Oh that

I just wanted to get out of my contract. He said. Well, Ben Shapiro slammed Candace for retreating, retweeting far left anti Israel blogger Max Blumenthal, and publicly monitor for defending Kanye West after his anti Semitic screeds. And

again, I don't see any justification for defending Kanye West. But this is again, you know, media eight, that is you know in all of this, and they're not going to criticize Ben Shapiro or Candice Open for their cheering of Trump and his poison shot or their cheering of the shot itself. But for them, the reprehensible things that they did were this tribalism thing. And it may be tribalism. Maybe she sided with Kanye West because they're black

and what he said was wrong. I'm not going to excuse any of that. But we don't want to be caught up in their racism. We don't want to be caught up in their Hegelian racism. We need to be aware of it and we need to understand how they're using it, but we don't need to be caught up in it. And so Owens has a long history of controversial and outlandish rhetoric. Yeah, you know, she she supported the vacts and gave Trump a pass and all the rest of this stuff. But

no, they're not talking about that. But Ben Shapiro hasn't had That's the other thing to Mediaite is this leftist publication, hard left publication, and they don't have any problem with Ben Shapiro. I mean, he's you want to say that somebody has made a lot of controversial and outlandish rhetoric. Statement, Okay, what about Ben Shapiro, you're a leftist? You pretty much? These people Mediaite pretty much disagree with Ben Shapiro on everything, but they're going

to give him a past because he's Jewish and they're Jewish. That's the amazing thing about this, Just like I think Candis Owen gave Kanye West a pass because they're both black. We need to be aware that we need to not be caught up in that. But Cat Turn on Twitter said I never could stand Ben. Glad you're finally catching up and they've now Shapiro and Owen's have

now on? Canis Owen have now unfollowed each other? NewsGuard News Guard Let's talk about the overreaching structure here NewsGuard with Microsoft, and of course if you dig deep enough, you're going to find out that they are, you know, of course their sister saying Election Guard. Election Guard was one hundred percent started by dark I think if you look at the funding of news Guard you'll

find that as well DARPA. There was a ten million dollar contract that DARPA gave to Microsoft to create Election Guard, and that was their sole funding. And so you got newsguards going to guard the truth and Election Guard that's going to guard the elections or maybe they're going to be destroying the truth and destroying the elections. Question is the age old question who guards the guardians? Well that's really the question when we talk about NewsGuard and Election Guard, Now,

who guards us from what they're doing? This is real clear investigations and Lee Fang, she said. The Twitter files revealed that Krovitz, Gordon Krovitz, former publisher of The Wall Street Journal, touted his product, his censorship product, NewsGuard, as listening to this quote a vaccine against misinformation. Oh, they love their vaccines and their pharmaceutical industries in there. Because I guess that could be true, because you know, the vaccines are ultimately a lie based

on misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, a lie designed to kill. So I think that's a good way to understand NewsGuard. It is like a vaccine. It is very much like a vaccine. He promised an out of the box tool that would use artificial intelligence powered by NewsGuard algorithms to rapidly screen content based on hashtags and search terms that the company associated with dangerous contact content. And

of course this is where they're going the artificial intelligence key use. They're not saying this right now, but its key use is going to be to increase censorship. And the increased censorship is going to be to stop podcasts. Podcasts are the one place that they have not except for Spotify. Spotify has always banned me, But I'm able to get on all the rest of the platforms for podcasts because they can't. You know, they're not really scooping these things

out. Those days are numbered. I'll soon be limited to the back of podcasts, like I'm limited to the backwaters of video broadcasting because I'll soon be banned with that thanks to artificial intelligence. They're weaponizing all of that. How would the company determine the truth for issues such as COVID nineteen. NewsGuard would

steer readers to official government sources only like the CDC. Other content moderation allies, said Krovitz, included the intelligence and National security officials, because again DARPA created Election Guard, and these are the people who are running the Mockingbird media and all of the rest of this stuff. Our censorship, folks, is coming from the Pentagon and the CIA, just like the lying news is coming

from them as well. The government works through seemingly benign non governmental organizations such as the Stanford Internet Observatory, to quell speech that it disapproves of. It pays to course speech through government contracts with outfits such as NewsGuard. By the way, it's not just the Stanford Internet Observatory. Another big player which I don't see. And they were big, big player. Maybe they're not anymore, but they were a big, big player in the round of censorship in

twenty eighteen. On August of August six, twenty eighteen, they did the massive censorship of info Wars, and then within two months they kicked off eight hundred different sites. Many of them were not pro Trump, many of them were anti Trump, but they were against the police and surveillance state, and it's the police in surveillance state that is running this censorship stuff. And a key player at that time was out of the University of Indiana and they had

an account on social media. It was called oh so me as in social media, and they had in charge of their censorship group where they were going through and identify find people. They were the ones who put together this massive list that you know, the Democrats wanted them to censor. The guy that was running that. You know, people don't people know about the Kinsey Institute, this sexual perverse thing, but a lot of people don't realize that's in

the conservative Indiana Kinsey Institute. And they had brought over a guy from Italy to be the head of the Kinsey Institute and he was head of the Kensy Institute for a few years and then when they decided they were going to set up a massive program of social media censorship of political dissidents, then they picked this guy. Is interesting how we see this unification of perverse stuff like the Kinsey Institute and these leftist socialists. It truly is a satanic agenda, isn't

it. NewsGuard is pushing to a why has broader screening process into libraries,

academic centers, news aggregation portals, internet service providers. The advertisers worst nightmare is having an ad placement damage even one customer's trust and a brand. Well, understand, the corporations don't care about customer trust. They openly flaunt their contempt for their customers. Just look at NASCAR, for example, or Coke or whatever right they have. They've got one customer that they want to please.

One customer and that's the government, or you could say, you know, the government representative of financing for them, Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street. These people who have their esg agenda. Yes, the esg agenda is their marching orders. It's not about making a profit. It's not about you know, hey, we want to sell Coca Cola to white people. No, we hate white people here at Coca Cola, and we're not going to apologize for that, you know, or bud Light or whatever a NASCAR,

they they have the esg agenda. That's where their money's going to come from. And they're going to sell the government's programs because and they really don't care about the public and so all this stuff about saying, well, you know, we've got to go through and censor people because imagine how mortified and pearl clutching NASCAR would be if they saw if their ads, you know, ran on David Knight's program or something, probably would be clutching their pearls.

No matter what they're saying is, oh, you got these hateful right wing people out there, and we don't want to have our products associated with them. And that's not what they're doing at all, because they don't really care what the public thinks about them. They're open and their public hatred and their esg agenda, their environmentalism and their you know, their socialist they call it.

They don't call it socialists. But you understand China, by the way, is one more thing I want to talk about before we stop with the censorship and the speech issues here, and that is the fact that CNN is saying that China is using the world's largest known online disinformation operation to harass Americans, says a CNN review. Now this is true. They have a motive in saying this because again CNN is the mockingbird press and they're pushing the you

know, China is our enemy narrative for the military industrial complex. It wants a war with them, So that's why they're talking about it now at this time. But I think it is true. As I said before, I got the one time that I got kicked off of YouTube with a warning was right after this show started. I put up a program and that lasted for less than a month, and I got three strikes. One are the three strikes was when I said twenty twenty was the year the world became China.

That was the beginning, a very beginning. The first strike I got was that, and then I got on their radar and they quickly took me off. And so where was that coming from? You know, if the Chinese government has built up an online disinformation thing, and if they are, and I think they probably are, this is probably true. The onsought of attacks often a vile, deeply personal nature, part of a well organized, increasingly

brazen Chinese government intimidation campaign targeting people in the United States. It criticized the Chinese government. It was very critical of the Chinese government. It's also critical of our own government. So it could have been either one of them who wanted me kicked off, or it could have been both of them. The bottom line is that you two will do whatever the governments tell them to do so. Somebody from the American government says, get David Knight off, they'll

do it. If somebody from the Chinese government tells them, get David Knight off, they'll do it. It's kind of a race. I guess it was to cancel. First victims face a barrage of tens of thousands of social media posts that call them traders, dogs, racist, homophobic slurs. Now, this is not the approach that they used for me. But I think the back door censorship by calling up and we've seen ample evidence of that in

the Twitter files known as spamouflage or dragon bridge. The networks, hundreds of thousands of accounts spread across every major social media platform have not only harassed Americans who have criticized the Chinese Communist Party, but have also sought to discredit US politicians, disparage American companies at odds with China's interest, and to hijack online

conversations around the globe that could portray the CCP and a negative light. Now, I said that twenty twenty was a year the American government became China, and so just look at this in the same context of that, to say that the American government seeks to discredit politicians and companies who are at odds with the American government's interest and to hijack online conversations around the globe that could portray

the American government in a negative light. We have become a CCP. When we come back, we're gonna talk about the woman who would be king uh Nookie Haley, because that is exactly the strategy that she wants to do. Elvis, the Beatles and the Sweet Sounds of Motown. Find them on the Oldies channel at APS radio dot com. Using free speech to free minds, It's the David Knight Show. Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name, they're always batch king you want to be? You can see say

you want to be everybody knows your name. They need to verify every single person on their outlet because and I want it by name, because when you bought smug, I've provided them with my government. If smug is on your driver's license, then look, you can put smug in parentheses. But I want everybody's name. I want everybody's name. She wants to Internet to be a place where everybody knows your name, and it's going to just be this warm, fuzzy, you know, friendly bar type of atmosphere like we had

it cheers. You know, everybody knows your name and they really that's what's being sold to you. This is a lie that's being sold to you by Nikki Haley, by Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson, I'm sick and tired of these anonymous trolls. I understand, you know, I've I've seen that kind of stuff as well directed at me. And you know, people can be very vicious and seems like they get even more vicious if they're anonymous, if they can do it behind a pseudonym or something like that. But you know,

hey, they've got no power over you ultimately. But she wants to know everybody's name, and she is making the argument that if we know everybody's name, everybody's going to be friendly and nice. How's that working out for Donald Trump? Wait? Know Donald Trump's name? You know he's he's not too nice? Actually? Uh no, na kon Nuki I tweeted out and said, so what gives warmonger Nuki Hayley the authority to demand everybody's name that's

using the internet? And I said, it is disqualifying that she even wants it. She's just another wanna be tautalitarian. Just say no to Nuki, and she thinks that she's running for dictator. It's amazing. She says, it's a national security threat because everything to her is a national security threat, and you ought to be killed if you get in her way. I mean, she's one of these people. It doesn't just want to silence you. She wants to go to war with you. She wants to kill you,

imprison you. She is a very dangerous person. Seriously, I'm not joking. She is very dangerous. Always has been a leftist, authoritarian demagogue who is in her orientation, but of course running as if she's a conservative. She continued to say, you know again, let's go back to anti semitism. This is how we're going to sell it. Anti Semitism is the magic

thing, right, It's like taking your racism up to another level. Anti Semitism was always bubbling underneath the surface, so now she's going to bring it up. Now we're seeing this massive exaggeration of it, but no one is talking about it. Why. She said, Well, the truth is, if you look at social media, the misinformation and the dramatic sides of social media instigating this why because it's being pushed by Russia, Iran, North Korea.

First thing I have to do when I become president is I've got to have the social media companies show America their algorithms. Well, of course that's not going to happen. We're not going to see their algorithms. Are not going to see their messages from the CIA and the Biden administration or the Trump administration. We're not going to see that. And then the second thing she says is we've got to have every person on social media should be verified by

their name. This will get rid of all the Russian bots, the Iranian bots, the Chinese bots. How do we get rid of a bot like her? You know, how do we get rid of the demagogue bots? They'll just say whatever the CIA, the Pentagon, and the CDC want them to say. Those kind of bots. I'm sick of the bots who are running for office. I'm sick of the bots who are running our country a bunch of bots. We're going to get some civility when people know that their

name is next to what they say. No, we won't, well, we won't at all. This is always, and she's being savaged everywhere for this, and rightfully so W and D headline farewell cat turn. You know, presidential candidate wants a ban on anonymous social media accounts Reason Nikki Haley's crazy plan to require verification of social media. And I said, lest anybody think that she's being taken out of context. So this is something she did not

say correctly. She said it not once but twice. It wasn't just on that program there, but she had also done it on Fox News. And as you saw her on that podcast The Smug Guy, he actually goes by the name Comfortably Smug on Twitter. They said he was notably perturbed because he has an anonymous account, and so Ron De Santis pointed it out. Glenn Greenwall pointed it out. Reason pointed it out that we have a very long tradition of anonymity, As Reason says, it is a cherished aspect of political

speech. Are we going to get rid of anonymous ballots too, you know, so that we can stop the cheating and stuff like that. Anyway, they go back and say, you know, James Madison published the Federalist Papers under a pseudonym. Uh and Ron De Santis said, you know who were anonymous writers back in the day. Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, James Madison.

They all wrote the Federalist papers. They were not national security threats, nor are the many conservative Americans across the country who exercise their constitutional right to speak. Well, maybe she doesn't care about American history, or maybe Nikki Haley Nimroda is actually wolfully ignorant of American history. Maybe she's just a DemoGod, demagogue, totlitarian who wants to get into this. But one of the

ones that they're not mentioned, they are going to any detail. If you go back and you look at my son says, we only want the news guard Ministry of truth bots. Only our bots will be allowed. That's right. If you go back, though, and you look at anonymity and you look at Jefferson and Madison, what was one of the things that they did anonymously, Well, they did the Kentucky Virginia Resolutions criticizing John Adams Alien and

Sedition Acts. Why would they do it anonymously, Well, because John Adams is alien and Sedition Act was an act of tyranny, and he would have locked them up as being seditious. Just like Joe Biden, very important to be able to have anonymity. And by the way, you don't have anonymity to the government on Twitter or any of these social media accounts. They will find you. So you know, keep that in mind when you start saying stuff. Don't get stupid about it. Just understand that. Don't be stupid,

like a lot of people are stupid about January the sixth. Don't be stupid about this stuff. It is ultimately not anonymous. So people pointed out, as I said, where do you get the authority to do that. It's blatantly unconstitutional, absolutely unconstitutional for her to to do that. She's just another She's just another bimbo that's been put on a pedestal by Trump because of identity politics. That's all Nicki Haley is. But she also has the support

of big business in the military industrial conflicts. They absolutely love what she does. In this Brightbart commentary, I say, the New York Times article praising her, ignore her giveaway offer of cheap blue collar and white collar labor to investors, said, most politicians do not know the business side of immigration. I said. One person who was trying to get in a control he said, Nikki Haley is so out of touch. I think that her super packs

are swaying her judgment. Yeah, I mean she just met with Jamie Demon of JP Morgan, who's going to be giving her a lot of money. What she was saying in terms of we need to open things up. We need to let CEOs import workers and graduates that they need. That was her other thing about all this. They need these people, she said, For far too long, Republican and Democrat presidents dealt with immigration based on an annual quota. She told room full of supporters, we'll take x number this year,

We'll take x number next year. The debate is on the number. That's the wrong way to look at it. We need to do it based on merit. We need to go to our industries and say what do you need that you don't have, So think agriculture, think tourism, think tech. We want the talent that's going to make us better. And this is the same type of thing that Vivaate the Snake. Ramaswami and Musk we're both saying, oh, we want to have the best people on our team.

You know, let's get we can't find anybody any good here in America. Let's bring somebody in from the countries that we came from. And that's exactly what she's saying here. She is opposed to the fabric of America. That's her term, the fabric of America. But she's opposed to the fabric of

America. She's opposed to people in America having an opportunity. She wants to bring on other people because it's going to benefit her, just like it benefits Ramaswami and Musk to bring people in who are intelligent to work for less money than Americans will. Uh. And you know it benefits her because she can bring in the money if she brings in the people. She's playing to the chamber of Commerce and people of that ilk and she's playing in the military usteral

complex. And hopefully with this statement about getting rid of anonymity, you understand what is really behind that. That is about setting up an Internet ID. And they come at us in a number of ways. Conservatives have typically come at us by saying, well, you know, we got all this pornography problem on the Internet, so we've got to have we've got to have a way to keep kids from getting on there. So everybody's got to have an

ID, or they'll come at you with artificial intelligence. An artificial intelligence is creating all these fake videos and everything. So you're going to need to have an ID to prove you not the artificial intelligence, or they'll say we got all these people that Biden has let in. It is really a problem. But you know, I've got a solution, says Ronda Santis. I'm going to have a everify where you have to get permission from the federal government.

They have to verify that you are American citizens that you can get a job. That solves a problem, right, No, You solve the problem of people coming in without any documents. You solve the problem of artificial intelligence. It needs to identify its fake content, not that I have to identify that I'm a human being. And of course the pornography thing is a spiritual issue

that you're not going to solve by a government intervention. But they use every single one of these things to push an ID, an ID for the Internet, an ID for everything, because especially for the Internet, because they want to run. They want your life to be lived through the Internet. You will buy your work, you'll trade through the internet, especially because you're not

going to be allowed to go anywhere in your fifteen minute city. So it's very important for them to have control and identification on the internet, and that is why Nikki Haley is doing it, and she's unfortunately not alone, even on the conservative side. Sort of perception sos. They want to make sure they can put you on a list. They need to have your name. They know who we all are. They just don't want to expose that they're

spying on us by going after anonymous accounts. That's right, It gives them backwards cover already doing it as Yeah, anyway, Risha m. The term is it's a matter of national securities, just the cover for detalitarian government. Always has been, always will be. Laurie, the most powerful effective disinformation networks are those that target Christians incognito with part truth and have infiltrated the camp they aught right for example reason some X Fox News moved into it. Yep,

Brian deb McCartney. This program of knowing all on socialist media has been in the works forever. It is the timing that they're playing with as the narrative shift and the sheep are identified absolutely right. As I've said for the longest time, that's what the Internet was designed for. That was designed as

a surveillance and control system by a psychologist at DARPA, JCR Licklider. And then when it became the technology started to become practical in the late nineteen nineties, they jumped into it in every aspect with all the venture capital stuff. That even had the CIA create their own venture capital firm, and they kept them running, kept the cash flowing, so these guys could offer everything for

free. And now you know, they've closed the gates on this ghetto, now that they've got everybody roped into social media, and you don't want to go to websites anymore. By the way, the David Night Show. Go the David Night Show. Remember that website, and that's where you'll find the links to the programs. Because it can be very difficult to find us.

And if you want to try to make it a little bit easier to find us, assuming that the search algorithms on the different platforms are honest, if you like us on those platforms, I don't help people to find the broadcast. So if you like us on a bit, shoot on Rumble, on Odyssey or rock Finn, when people go to these sites, they'll be able to see us better, more likely to find us. So that is something you could do to help the broadcast quite a bit. Doesn't cost anything except

just a little bit of time, Josh bed Nicky Haley. Isn't her real name? That's right? Yeah, Nimroda something else, and she I think she married somebody that was named Haley. Angus mustang this from a woman who doesn't use her real name. Yeah, that's that's the key point that you're that you're making here that I was a little bit slow to pick up on. We want to know your real name, Nikki. That's that's what they should have said. That's good, that's what the guys the podcast should have

said. That would have taken her down a notch. I would like to see in her reaction come back with that. But they're not going to challenge her. Not gonna challenge her. Well, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. Stay with us. So, unlike most revolutions, whether people rise against the real economic of pressure, in our case here in Boston, we are fighting for purely an abstract principle. It is, however, not nearly so abstract as a young gentleman supposes the issue involved

here is one of monopoly. Today the British government will monopolize the sale of tea in our country. Tomorrow it will be something else, liberty. It's your move. You're listening to the David Knight Show, all right. Joining us now is Tony Ardaban. It's great to have you. Tony. Whyswolf dot com is his website. He sells gold silver and he's got some great structures there a community with a wolf pack and I've always dealt with Tony and

he's also set up David Knight dot gold. Let you know that you heard about him through us, and so joining us now is Tony Ardaban. Thank you for joining us, Tony. Always great to be here, David, thanks for having me. What's on your mind this week? I mean, it's been an interesting week with what's happened in the financial markets, hasn't it

Well. I think we anticipated this happening eventually. Owned Jerome Powell's raised rates faster than any time in history to try to curtail the massive inflation from the damage that they did to the dollar during the COVID era, and of course the economy is starting to falter because of the addiction that the Western economies have

to cheap fiance currency and debt creation through the central banks. Now that they're not getting their supply, they're looking to the supplier and saying we need it. And I don't know if they're going to get it or not, but

the markets certainly anticipate that. CNBC is that there's going to be a Santa rally towards the end of the year, and I thought that's pretty interesting because Santa isn't real, and neither is the stock market or these these ESG black rock type companies that are out there, and I think this is I think part of the course in the in the times that we're in, David,

And I'm not sure that they're actually going to lower rates. I'm really not, because this is something that it's been odd their behavior, and I think you're starting to see what's really important to these central banksters is the control of the global money supply, not so much the economies in which they rain over. I mean, they can pick winners and losers. And again, I'm not saying that they won't lower rates, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

I'm not one of these analysts on CNBC I don't buy into the to the stock market. Most of it's absolutely fake, as you and I discussed pretty much every week here, and I certainly wouldn't be one of these traders that's going to get really excited about it. But you're going to see that. I think you're going to see people thinking that happy times are here again. And I'm not so sure. Yeah, there was a headline on zero hedge. Some may want to buy insurance on this tiny zero point one percent

CPI miss. In other words, inflation increase that sparked a face ripping rally. And that's the key thing. You know, people have been looking at the and thinking, well, you know, how much longer are they going to go before they lower interest rates? As Gerald Celentia said, we got an election coming up. They want to, you know, do some artificial stimulation to the economy to probably lower the interest rates just before the election,

and and you know, try to bring that about. And so with this tiny, teeny tiny thing, they said, well, we'd expected inflation to go up this much and because it according to our statistics, which is you point out, we know they always lie. They always lie about the unemployment numbers, they lie about the consumer price index, and they always even go

back and readjust previous quarter in order to make the trend look better. You know, so they do all these obvious lies, and based on this obvious lie, you have this massive stock market rally, and everybody said, that's it. They're not gonna they're not gonna raise interest rates anymore, and they may actually start lowering them. And so that's really what this whole, this whole rally was based upon, was the fact that they put that out there.

There was really even if you believed it was true, there was nothing much that had changed. But they saw this as a signal from the Fed that maybe they were going to ease up, and they wanted to believe that. I think because of what's coming around with the election, so much of it the economy and everything's really tied to the monetary policy, which is why

they started the Federal Reserve in the first place. You know, I was reading something yesterday, just statistics on what happened after we went off the gold standards. That's where my mind always goes my wheelhouse. Gold was up two thousand percent from nineteen seventy one. In nineteen seventy nine. It was the stock market. Has the stock market kept pace with our inflation? Really think so? I think that's why they want to put people in all these financial

products. I mean, when you were a kid, not every commercial was about financial products like it is now, whether you're four to one k's or

iras or what stoock or what trading platform to be on. That's so ubiquitous now because we're losing purchasing power in our currency every single day, and the powers that be I think, you know, looking at the global picture, which is really where you need to look when you're thinking about currency, is where is the dollar going, you know, losing its its share of purchasing

statistics. Looking at the share of the dollar used being used as a currency around the world, two thousand and one, it was seventy five percent. Twenty twenty three, it's forty six percent. So we're seeing this decline in the dollar being used as the world's reserve currency. Even Iraq. I saw

a tweet on gold Telegraph a rack has stopped. It's illegal to use dollars or to withdraw them, or to take part in the Iraqi economy with dollars now, which is a huge departure from where when I went in, they lost their currency overnight. I got to see their currency with the gnar with Saddam on the face. I got to see that die in real time. Now, people were running out of the banks with boxes of paper notes that nobody wanted, and they used dollars. So that's a that's a massive shift

where they're not even allowed to use them anymore. So I think that's happening more and more around the world. The dollar is the enemy, especially to these petroleum rich countries that may or may not be on the United States head list or you know, because we have the forty different sanctions in thirty six different countries. Another thing that popped up that I thought was really interesting and I've wondered why for years, David, there's a miracle up on Kiko.

I love your take on this. There's an article up on Kiko where there's an investigator who's trying to piece together the crew holdings of China, of the gold holdings of China, because I've often wondered why did they they secret they stealthily bought gold starting at the beginning of this century. They've been stealthily buying, not putting it on their books. Gold is not exported from China.

China has sixty thousand gold mines. Sixty thousand wow. And so somebody was piecing this together and thought, okay, let's look at the actual numbers that flowed through the Shanghai Exchange and what didn't flow out. And so this one one investigator has estimated that China actually has thirty three thousand tons. Wow, and what that's in their populace and then nationally held about sixteen thousand tons. Wow. Well, right now, supposedly the United States is the world leader

in gold holdings because we haven't been in that buyer since the fifties. We haven't been adding to our supply since the nineteen fifties. We have about eight thousand tons. So this investigator, I thought this was a really interesting article. China's stealthily buying under the radar, using their exchanges, using their gold mines, their nationally controlled gold mines. As a matter of fact, Robert Kiyosaki, who wrote Rich Dad Portaut had a massive goldfinding in China as a

private you know, corporation, went in there and an investor. He found the gold. He had investors. He went to go pull it out of the earth and China stopped his permit and they took it over and nationalized the mind. So they are hoarding gold, keeping gold inside their borders, and they could have twice as much gold as the United States, which would give them leverage to step in and say not buying, which they're not buying treasuries

anymore. And I know that Janet yell At thinks she can pay for two Wars, two more wars on the credit card, but you know the main lender is dumping US. So China is dumping the treasury and buying gold. So there's something I think geopolitically. I know that I'm not supposed to go because CNBC tells me there's going to be a Santa rally and everything's okay. But I'm not so sure. When when China becomes the world leader in gold holdings, I think that changes the game significantly. Yeah, I agree.

And when you look at Janet Yelling, I think she's had too many mushrooms in China. I think that somehow called her judgment that or the power one or the other. The mushrooms or the power has gone to her head. She doesn't know what she's talking about. But I think you're right. Yeah, the Chinese take a very very long term approach, don't they, you know, for everything that they do, and it is a criminal organization, as you point out, coming in and nationalizing the gold mine that he finds.

As you were talking about that, it made me think of the small time crooks that we've got in this country, like the FBI who went in that. You remember the story of these guys who found a Civil war gold and you know, they had to report it to the federal government. The FBI comes in and says, we'll take a look at this, and they kick the guys out, and there's all this noise going on, and you know, machinery and everything for several days and they can't come in and look

at it. And then the FBI comes out and says, now there's nothing there not Now there isn't And so you know, tell the Audi. I hear these stories all the time. I was in my bank of Missouri. The teller there a few months ago was telling me. He says, well, my family they bought a table and an auction and they were wondering why I was so heavy for so many years, why is his table so heavy?

And then finally they want the legs came off and they looked in and somebody stacked twenty dollar gold pieces in the way, like Paul Away, and so it was this point, mean they had maybe a two hundred, I don't know how many they had. It it was a lot, I mean, she said, was the legs were full of twenty dollars gold pieces, and they called the FBI. Why you know all the table and I people

find of course they lost the gold. Yeah, they turned it in, lost the gold and because they can ever get it back, and there has to be an investigation because it does you know, nineteen thirty three pre nineteen thirty three gold coins, and so this was considered gold hoarding, you know. So, I mean it's long since been lifted to executive orders to Gerald Ford that you can illegally own gold. But that's something that FDR. Did you hear this these stories all the time. Somebody found a lot, you

know, because people after nineteen thirty three started burying the gold. Not everybody turned it in. Have evidence of that in my shop because I buy these coins all the time. So if you find gold coins, just call wise Wolf. I'll tell you what you can do with them. You own them I don't know what the why you would call law enforcement. Let's it's something I don't know. But if you if you're on your land or it's your item, I'm pretty sure you own it. Well it was it was in

this particular case. It was like National park Land or something like that, and it was tons of gold and so you know, it's like, there's no they're going to be able to hide that. But I thought it was amazing. It was just, you know, in your face theft and they're trying to sue them in court and try to get This thing has been going on now for years. The first time I talked about it was about four or five years ago. But yeah, it is that. That's kind of

the little penny anyway that our government steals from us. But of course, you know the Chinese Communists will come in and just say nope, that's mine. You know, you're out of here, and they do that. All that's part of the China price. You always have to have. The Chinese Communists have to be your partners in it, you know, the upper ranking people, and they will steal your goal mine. They will steal the plans that General Motors had for a car and do it in competition to them and

and release it a couple of weeks before GM releases their car. They do that all the time. You know, it's the piracy that the intellectual theft, and then just the outright theft of whatever it is that they're working on.

But you know, there's also when we look at this, it's what's happening with gold, it's the financial markets, it's the inflation and everything else, and the manipulation of the prices as you point out, and you know, whatever China is doing and whatever is happening in the Shanghai the paper gold

market. A lot of discussion about that. But there's also this this report from actually from a trend's journal about how top bankers are dumping their bank stocks and and this is happening is of course banks everywhere, especially in the UK. They've talked a lot about it, dumping their customers. You know, it's looking more and more like, you know, the banks are in a

difficult position. You've got the commercial real estate issue is to be affecting the middle sized and small banks because when you had the two thousand and eight crash, they came up with new rules for the big banks that were too big to fail, but they still let the small and medium sized banks get into these risky loans for commercial real estate, and now they're at big risk for

that because that is all going belly up. There's going to be a sweeping erasure of small banks, and then the big banks are out there killing people's bank accounts for no reason. All thousands of people in the UK every year are just getting kicked off now of their bank accounts without any explanation or recourse. Who saw with Nigel Farage when they did to him, because he was well known, he was able to reverse this. But that's not happening for

most of the people. The thousands of other people who are having that happen to them. This war game this out a little bit. You go back to FTX and Sam Bank man Fried. You have that total collapse, and it has to be crypto because crypto is the enemy. You know. There's

all this speculation and it's all a scam. Of course, that causes the stress and the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and banks like Silvergate which I used to send my wires to to get my bitcoin, and all these regional banks start having all the stress and some get bought up, and I think that

was always the point. It's it's always consolidation into the larger and larger banks, and this is a pathway to central bank digital currency because you only you're going to have just a few different banks, kind of like you have a few different companies. We're really really a two or three, you know,

with the with media holdings, right that are parent companies. So the same thing with the banks, and they're all auditioning to see which one is going to better roll out fed Now what's going to be the bones and structure of the central bank digital currency? You know? And maybe you're going to be

de banked. But it's okay because you can download your app from the Federal Reserve and get your central bank digital currency with with your biometric data, David, David, it'll be it'll be attached to you through blockchain, so it's safe and we can control the money supply and won't we've had too much inflation and the answer to that is a central bank digital currency. It's always problem reaction solution, them causing the problem in the first place, laming it on

something else that has nothing to do with it. And I think I think that's what this is all about. I saw the same articles, and I think there's a delayed reaction not to cause a bank panic. I think maybe there was a deal they were told not to sell off their stocks until now there's been a bit of a delay in what happened with Silvergate and what happened

with Silicon Valley Bank, and that those regional bank stressors. I think they're going to see more and more of those closures, and the big banks are going to buy them up and buy their assets, and we're going to be in the middle of it because a lot of us are going to be debanked. I agree. Yeah, I think we're going to see the same type of narrative that we saw with the big social media companies. Well, they

are corporations. They can do whatever they want, private corporations. So we find out later on what we always knew was that they were taking orders from

the government to do this kind of stuff. So if you get these, you know, you wind up things like the commercial real estate and other issues like that start making These small banks and medium sized banks got a business left and right, and then you got the big guys that are the ones left standing, and you know, hey, they're private so they if they want to kick your bank account out, they can, and they're but don't worry, because we're the government and FED now is going to UH and FED coin.

You can use that kind of stuff, and we'll we'll give you the banking thing. These private banks, you know, they're they're not nice guys, but we're great guys. We're we're the government, and so we're going to let you come in and have your bank account here as the provider of banking services the last resort. And of course it'll all come with CBDC and the digital ID and all the rest of this stuff. But you know they'll be they'll position themselves as as a feature, not as a bug, as

a savior, not as a censor. I think is what they're going to do. I think the the I M S came out and they and they said yesterday, oh, the climate is really good right now for central bank digital currency, and they're laying that out. This is the next move that central banks are going to make. Yeah, no kidding, that's I think the IMF and then they have the unicoin that they were proposing, so all these the central banks of central banks, in the Bank of International settlements talking

about the same thing. It's always some creative destruction at the beginning, and you know, we're going to for safety and we have to regulate this, and these smaller institutions don't have the capacity to regulate. It's kind of why they've they've pushed out a lot of the small operators in the crypto business. David, you better have some money now. I was some of the first bitcoin ATMs back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and those days are long

gone. You can hardly even get a bank account now. I had to sell off most of that business. It's very tough to get into a new bunch of regulations, you know, if you want to get a deal with crypto and everything, more of these know your customer rules. I mean, they're ramping this stuff up to make it absolutely impossible to do any of this stuff. Jason Barker's we're talking about that stuff. Civil asset forfeit. Youre azs why they did with the gold. We don't have to accuse you of

a crime, We just just take it there. Honor Seeker says, at least John Dillinger had some dignity as opposed our federal government when they rob the banks. But of course they're going to rob the banks and they're going to rob us as well. That's really true, Angry Tiger. They must consolidate in order to usher in CBDC. I agree absolutely, and angus mustang thank you very much for the Tippy said soon. So now we would have to verify our identity to use social media, but not to vote. Yeah,

you'll never have to use your identity to vote. You'll always be able to do that without probably your digital ID or your CBDC or anything else. You know, you can just always go in and and pull a lever, and they'll pull a lever for you even if you're not there. I think vote early and often. That's why you don't need your biometrics. You don't need you don't need your digital wallet to do that. You can just show up.

Yeah, that's right. Well, you know again this article here silver and gold, why paper still moves the physical prices and that is one of the things you know. I in my IRA, we put it into some of the ETFs, you know, like g l D and SLV, and then I noticed that they were not moving. Uh, the spot price was moving. As it's something phony is going on here, and I started looking at it. You know, talk about the difference with that. We've mentioned

that before. How you know, a lot of people get into it that way because it's an easy way to trade it. You know, you buy it for a tenth of what you know, they sell it. The price is one tenth of kind of I guess the supposedly of whatever the price of gold is. Of course, that's a lot of different places where you can price it, but it's like a one tenth of an ounce that you can get into it, and it's as easy to buy or sell as a piece of stock is. And so a lot of people get into the paper gold

and paper silver. Talk a little bit about that decoupling and what it is really behind it. You already mentioned, you know, the kind of secret gold stash that China's got. Does that figure into this kind of manipulation of the of the paper gold? How does that? How do you see that? I think so? And we talked about gold holdings of these countries are more secret than their nuclear facilities, nuclear weapons of the public than the gold

holdings. And now this is this is an underlying war. Who gets to control the money supply? Of the world and the reason that in the West and especially our exchanges, in my opinion, and there's been a lot of great journalism far beyond what I understand. They control the paper market of gold to suppress the price of gold, because the dollars at war with gold has been since nineteen seventy one. Because once we decouple from the gold standard,

Richard Nixon took us off of it, closed the gold window. We have a free floating currency. We have a fiat currency which is Latin for by decree, and so it's it's back by nothing. Gold is out there on its own, still being the world's reserve currency, if you will, but not really called that. It's just a commodity. So when gold prices go up, you're what you're seeing is the decline of the purchasing power of the dollar. So they in the nineteen seventies you had, like I said earlier,

two two thousand percent increase in the price of gold. So they had to raise interest rates to the teams to stop the loss of purchasing power in the dollar. And that's what was under Paul Volker in the Federal Reserve. And so right after that they really controlled the paper markets, David, you can see them stepping in and in the silver market alone. And I have

some very smart people I follow have noted that. You know, in times when people have tried to get the silver market to spike by buying silk, physical silver, like in February of twenty twenty one, they bought out every dealer I knew was out of silver, and the next day that the price went down in the spot price. No one could find it, but it was gone. And the reason is because the paper market sold off one point five times the annual supply in one day. They sold it. It looked

like it was being dumped. So the same thing with gold. How do you really know? It's hard to say, but the central banks, again working hand in glove with the bullion houses, can manipulate that and they can make it look like that gold is being sold off or it's not as sought after. I promise you, if you took away the paper markets and it was you were forced to get physical in your hand gold or silver, those prices would be dramatically different. I don't know what they would be, but

it would be different than what you're looking at. Now. That's the true, the true manipulation is to suppress it, which is kind of flies in the face of what normal people think, because if you're doing inside or trading, you want to get that price to spike or you want to get some kind of profit from it, and so it's it's countering two what we understand. But that is the United States in the Federal Reserve or war with gold. They have been for a while and that's going to continue. And that's

especially when we talk about those gold holdings we haven't added to. There's only one central bank not buying it. It's US, the United States, and is not buying It's not in that buyer of gold anymore and hasn't been since the nineteen fifties. Yeah, yeah, Harps says paper, gold and silver are really just expensive toilet paper. You know when you look at all of this stuff. The way they can manipulate it, and that's the key thing.

You know, real money is what you hold, and real money is gold, and so you have to it is they have so many different ways that they can manipulate the market. You know, just as the Federal Reserve can just out of thin air, you know, create money, Wall Street can do the same thing. I mean, just look at the way they

spend these narratives and so forth. But for the longest time, as I pointed out earlier this week, Moderna went for over a decade, had no product, but they kept making tons of money with great stories on Wall Street.

They give people this great story about this new product that's going to be coming along, and everybody would buy their stock, they would cash in some stuff, and they would keep going, and then that wouldn't pan out, so then they would come up with another story about another product that was also vaporware until they got to Trump. But I saw that with Blockbuster Video, they were able to put that on the stock market because we were competing with

them, they were able to get unlimited amounts of money from the stock market, even though they were losing money every single year. And then they would use that ability to lose money. They would use that to put mom and pop stores out of business. I remember them coming into our area and putting you know, they would select one retailler at a time, and they would put a big store right across from them or right in front of them in an out parcel when they were in line in the shopping center, and put

them out of business, so they use that for predatory practices. It's the same way that you know they manipulate the gold and silver markets. These people who have you know, these markets have allowed them to do this type of thing. So I think the real key is when we look at the long The thing that I find interesting about the gold stuff is not what is going to happen with inflation of the rest of stuff, but it's about this complete

financial system reset for control and surveillance. That's what concerns me about it. Yeah, gold is freedom outside of that system. If you've got physical gold with you, no counterparty risk, you're in a lot better position than having your funds in the bank. And I'm not telling you to go close your bank account. I'm just saying you look at the pressure on regional banks or banks that are friendly to people like human beings, don't treat you like a

number. Those banks are under a lot of pressure and are going to be in the future, especially with these economic changes that are only going to benefit the few. So having out something outside of the system, especially gold and silver, is really important and knowing how to use that, knowing that what kind of product you're going to get from a dealer. It's very important right

now because there isn't enough. There isn't going to be enough supply. As soon as the people that are watching CNBC, I think there's going to be a Santa rally that I don't even know where to begin, because you're talking about a system that is you just discussed earlier. It's no longer based on profit, David, We're not. Our stock market is no longer based. It's all fake and it stems from having fake money. I mean JP Morgan

said that gold is money and everything else is credit. Wrong, everything else is debt now and these companies that are running they're zombies. They don't make money, but they don't die, so they going to buy into this system. And I don't think there's going to be a good outcome here other than what they are engineering, which is a reset. I mean, it's a

financial reset. So the best way to be outside of that is to have something with no counterparty risk and something that's always been money and always will be, and that's gold and silver. And my opinion, yeah, I agree, Yeah, it's going to be they're going to lower the hammer. I mean, we just saw this again in Australia. They had a major internet provider go down and telecom company and nobody could get do any transactions because they

made everything so cashless. It's such a vulnerable system if you don't actually physically hold it. And then you know, in terms of infrastructure, they had some kind of an attack on forty percent of their ports got shut down and stayed shut down, and that was probably also you know, that was definitely a cyber attack of some sort, probably on the financial side of that.

But again, you know, we've seen this over and over again. The attacks come on the financial side, and so as we become more and more tied to that, I think it's going to be more and more vulnerable. Handy says this year was the first year I've seen my county accept a digital wallet as a payment option for property taxes. There'll probably be a requirement for certain interactions with the government to use some kind of a CBDC, but again, you know, it's going to be a mix for people to be able

to be a little bit outside of that system. Before we end, tell us a bit about what's going on at Wisewolf, well, a couple of things that there's never been a better time I think in history to really examine being part of this system, like we just discussed being part of the stock market, the four oh one K, the iras and all the things that were set up after nineteen seventy one to help you not remember that you're losing purchasing or in your dollar or not realize it. And we make it really

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We sent you fractional silver sometimes gold, especially in the higher tiers you'll get fractional gold, but all sorts of variety, different coins, gold packs, the gold back notes where we bought more of those this last week, and so much variety, I mean, sovereign coins, generics, bars, everything you can imagine flowing through Wolfpack. We got nearly eight hundred members. I'd

love to see that get to a thousand. I think that should be our base level because the more people that join, the better prices I can get, the better buy ins, and I've been doing a lot of great buy ins lately. So go and check that out, and I would I would also mention too, David, one of the products I was just in in Las Vegas last week. I set up a new media company and you're going

to be a part of that with freeworld dot Fm. I just got to get the hookups done with on your show and in my show, we're already streaming. Freeworld dot fm is up and it's live. It's going to be a free speech platform and with great hosts like yourself and any of your listeners. Just give us a try. But we're gonna we're working on the logistics right now. But it's another it's another lifeboat for those of us who want free speech. I'm just I'm using the I'm making hay while the sun is

shining. If I've got a little bit to put into investing, I'm investing in US. So I was out doing that last week and I set up a new media company, so Freeworld dot FM, and it's going to probably host the David Knight Show every well every morning. Yeah, we've been trying to We've been trying to get it on it. We've got a couple of issues because of the the platform that's there and the and you know that it's MAC or PC that's there, so Travis is not here. When he gets

back, We're probably going to be able to get that. You know, I'll have enough manpower that we can get that solved. But yeah, looking forward to doing that. I got one question before you go, Tomicdog, says David. Can you ask Tony if platinum will remain flat or does he see it moving higher soon? Uh? You don't get involved in platinum, do you it's just gold and silver or do you do other metals ideal in

platinum. I had one of one of your listeners had a pretty large IRA and bought a significant amount of platinum about a year ago, and I had to source some. And your government mints make platinum, like Canada, United States, most most all government mints have platinum. You know, it's using catalytic converters and other things that you know require that for the technology that's been flat because of you know the production of cars and other things that are going

into the evs. But I do think that just over over time, I think platinum will move just for the sheer fact that the dollar is losing purchasing powers. So there's other uses for platinum beyond uh, you know, auto manufacturing, and I think you're going to see more and more of it. So I do think platinum has a potential to move. And it's definitely definitely not going to be something that's going to be discarded. M So, yeah, I mean there's I think there's a long upside to plan them. Well

it's good. Yeah, maybe even copper who knows it, would get the original copper pennies and stuff exactly, anything that's physical, you know. I mean, they want to they want to put us in a virtual world. We've got to go counter to that. They want to consolidate everything globally. We need to go local everything that they want. We know what they want,

we go counter to it. And it is so so good to have you on, Tony, and thank you for what you're doing, looking forward to the Freeworld dot FM platform and and all the other things that you're putting together. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you,

Dan, thank you. All Right, folks, we're going to be back in just a moment, and we're going to be connecting to Mark Thornton, who is a senior fellow at the Mesa's Institute, and we're going to talk some more economics, and we're going to talk specifically about what he saw happening a few years ago and uh and what he thinks is going to be happening from his perspective, will be right back in a world of deceit. Telling the truth is a revolutionary act. You're listening to the David Knight Show.

Join us shortly when we stack things up back to back, we have to do the invitations sequentially, but he should be joining us very soon. Well, we're waiting for him to join. Steve Molloy that I've talked to many times, and his site is Junk Science as he's pointing out. You know, Tony was talking about how the move away from internal combuestion engines is depressing the demand a little bit for platinum because of the catalytic converters and things

like that. But Steve moy says evs are easily the biggest failure of centrally planned industrial policy in US history. Yeah, we're going to have a lot of these things because they're centrally planning everything. Now. The windmills are failing. We've had companies like Slender and others are failing. They want to do everything in a central way. They're centrally planning our central grid and they're planning to take it down. Says this despite massive subsidies. Ford lost thirty thousand

dollars per EV sold in twenty twenty two. Twenty twenty three's losses will be even greater. GM has abandoned its target of selling four hundred thousand vs next year. Ten years of EV driving requires fifty thousand and taxpayer subsidies. He says, that's equivalent of a gasoline costing seventeen dollars and thirty three cents per gallon. Think about that, because of government subsidies, that we're all going to wind up paying, and he says that's just for openers. Okay,

we got our guest ready. I'm gonna take a very quick break and we're going to be right back. Stay with us analyzing the globalists. Next move and now the Deevid Nutshell. All right, welcome back, joining us now as Mark Thornton is the Peterson Luddy Chair in Austrian Economics and a senior fellow at the mess Institute. And so I want to talk to him a little bit about the Mesa's Institute. I refer to their articles frequently, and so I'd like to talk a little bit about you know, what do we mean

by Austrian economics? Who was Lukewig von Mises and a little bit about the Mesa's Institute. But he also wrote a book that is available at their site, and Skyscraper Curse. And it looks like with a crash and commercial real estate that we're going to be looking at a skyscraper curse coming back their return of the Curse. But joining us now is Mark Thornton. Thank you for joining us, Sir David. It's great to be on your program. But

with government solving all the world's problems. I'm not sure if we're going to have anything to talk about. That's right. If we got a problem we just haven't done by government, but especially at the federal government level, because that's all the problems need to be solved. There. Tell us a little bit about the Mesa's Institute. The Mesas Institute is now forty years old.

It was founded by mister lou Rockwell. We're right here in Auburn, Alabama, and we're about economic education really from the perspective of the Austrian School of economics. Ludwig von miss fa Hyak, Henry Hazlitt, Ron Paul and many others were the smallest but fastest growing school of economics. And I think it's a you know, it's a the science really behind free markets, and we're trying to get it out to as many people as possible. That's right.

Yeah, give us a little bit of an idea of the audience when we talk about Austrian economics. You know, several of the founders who are from Austria. Course, but you know, what is it that's different about Austrian economics versus what we typically have with our you know, what people learn in college with macroeconomics or Keynesian economics and things like that. Tell us a little

bit about what distinguishes Austrian economics from that. Well. It was founded in Austria by Karl Menger in the nineteenth century and one of his primary students was Ludwig von Misus, and Ludwig von Mistis applied Menger's method, which is based onduction and logic and human action rather than on mathematical models and econometric analysis. Plug in the numbers and see what comes out, or see what you want

to come out. And as a result, you know, the Austrian school was basically able to develop economic principles about the laws of supply and demand, marginal utility, those kind of things. Those basic things that you see in an introductory textbook, and everybody can basically agree on them. But most economists, which we call the mainstream, they go off, you know, and use their mathematical models and their econometric analysis to come up with anything they want.

But with Austrian economics you have to stay very close to the logic of human action. And through that method that Mesis developed, he was able to develop modern monetary theory. In his very first book, he was able to critique socialism in the socialist calculation debate and prove that pure socialism was an economic

impossibility. And then, of course his magnum opus Human Action basically laid out everything about everything from basic economic analysis to things like the business cycle and fiscal policy and everything else that we want to basically talk about today. He was the person who put forward all of those great contributions, and that's why we celebrate him and we try to extend his work and to teach his work here

at the Mesa's Institute. And it's still not you know, I know when I was in college and I was taking economics and we would get to macroeconomics and it was like, okay, forget all the the you know, the real physical world of how your budget work and everything, because if we're the government and we make that if we make this thing really really big, then none of those rules apply anymore. And it's like something about this seems really fishy. This is kind of like saying, if I get a big enough

rock is going to float up into the sky. So yeah, it's uh, it was like that just doesn't make any sense to me. And you know, Austrian economics is really, as you point out, it's more focused on human action, on reality than on this obfuscation, this fiction, that that this massive det just doesn't matter. But of course that is. It's not that I think that Kynesy and economics has really been capable of explaining things, because it hasn't. But it's been a useful crutch for the central planners,

hasn't it. Oh? Absolutely, you know, we we stick with supply and demand in real world prices for the most part. Knesy economics, for those who have suffered through it in introductory college courses, God bless you, is more like an exercise in plumbing, where you have a series of pipes and valves, and you have leakages and injections and all sorts of plumbing related problems that seemingly the expert plumber could fix simply by turning a dial or

tightening a pipe or soldering something together. And we all know that the real world economy in the US alone is made up of three hundred and thirty million people. The worldwide economy is many billions of people, and they're all doing their own thing. And the Keynesian approach, the Kynesian macroeconomic approach of turning a few dials overlooks all of the basic problems, overlooks the negative effects of

taxation, the negative effects of regulation. They just assume that, for example, regulations will fix problems at a zero cost and the world will be happy thereafter, when in reality it distorts all sorts of decisions on the part of entrepreneurs, on the part of input suppliers, on the part of consumers and labors, and basically just gums up the work it works. And so Austrian economists try to stay very close to the real world and how it actually works.

And as a result we have a general policy outlook where we want to have the government have hands off as much as possible in every conceivable situation to allow the free actions of individuals that respect property right and so forth, that

that's the way to allow people to achieve their potential. And achieving their potential, they're really serving other people and it's really you know, economics has thought of is you know, a fierce, cutthroat competition thing, but ninety nine point nine percent of it is cooperation between employer and employee, between the consumer and the supplier, between whole giant worldwide webs of networks, of the factors

of production coming together in order to produce the goods that we want to consume. So it's really much more of the idea that the economy is cooperation and competition certainly exists. We all compete on the basis of price, whether it's the price of our products, the price of our labor, the price of the resources that we own, and so forth. We all have to compete at that level, and that profit and loss statements that we all have to measure up to keeps us all, in a sense honest in this game of

competition and cooperation. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, especially like your analogy of it's as complicated plumbing thing I think of it. Maybe they should call it the Rube Goldberg school of economics. Another complicated bag on the side. Oh this didn't work. Okay, let's add this other complication to it. As highly analytical, as highly complicated, it doesn't really work

very well. I've always thought of this as I've always thought of the free market as versus canesy and economics as a neural net distributed system versus a centralized computer. It just seems to me that you know, even if they think that they are the smartest person in the room, there's no way that they've

got sufficient information to be able to do that. That's the the you know, the invisible hand and the open market where everybody is is interacting with each other, and that's the one thing that they haven't been able to grasp. When we look at the central bank, digital currency and the you know, the surveillance aspect and the control aspect of that that they're trying to impose on us. To me, it seems like, again because it's ultimately authoritarian.

It isn't like they're going to look at this and say, well, you know, what be the most efficient way for us to do this, or that you know, now we got more information about what everybody is doing. I think it is simply more of a ham fisted, authoritarian, centralized approach. It's not really going to be leveraging a technology to even get a better view of what is happening so they can run the system. They just want to run the system whatever happens, and they want to make this to run

to their advantage. I think is really what we're looking at. What do you what do you think about this? Coming central bank digital currency. The efforts to do that, you know, is are we going into a more centralized control approach and economics? Are they going? You know, certainly that's what the politicians want. Oh yeah, the central bank digital currency. The only positive is that it's positive for central banks and positive for the government to

oversee and be able to check on everything we do. There's no positive economic benefits to having that type of system. If they really wanted to have a close to ideal monetary system where they didn't need monetary policy at all, where they didn't need the vast bureaucracy thousands of econometricians and tens of thousands of bureaucrats to manage the system, then they would go back to a gold standard that we were established with this country and silver money and things of that nature.

That is the ideal monetary system for human economy and the idea that you know, well, you can have digital currency, you can have digital money, but there's no benefit that they can describe that isn't just solely a benefit to the central bank in the government itself and I you know, and it would

be terrible for the economy. It would hurt a lot of people. There's means going around on social media of all the harms it would do to certain groups in particular, as is typical with policy, it would hurt the most disadvantage groups in society, from the paupers and the poor people, the beggars, the people who live hand the mouthed, the people who don't have bank

accounts. What are those people supposed to make of this central bank digital currency that are completely shut out all sorts of transactions that we make on well, in the fringes of society, to you know, the streets of Manhattan. Cash transactions are absolutely necessary and required. It's really the only way to conduct business of any sort for those particular groups. And of course it helps large corporations. That helps the government, it helps the taxing authorities, it helps

the central bank. I think they're probably going to allure those people I see. I think they're probably gonna lure those people in with lure of welfare payments and healthcare things, because that's what they've already done in India. You know,

take the number and you get this stuff. Because it's all about dependency, you know, and they can you know, that really is a key way that they want to pull people in I think they'll use that dependency to rope in the poorest people and to get them to take the id to take the central bank digital currency. I think that's you're right. They're going to victimize them. They'll be the first ones inside the open air prison, being

surveiled and controlled with everything. You know. They could make the argument that hey, we'll be able to we'll be able to have more visibility about the metrics of the economy and we'll be able to fine tune it and do that better. They may make that case, but that's not why they're doing it.

They're just doing it for simply for control, right, Yes, And I anticipate that they're going to cause some crash of the system where people are going to lose access to their money and lose access to their accounts and won't be able to transfer money, and whether or not the government can solve it immediately with central bank digital currentencies, they will implement a central bank digital currency, or they will attempt to implement a central bank digital currency as a consequence

of them crashing the system in some way. And we're already seeing little hints of this where transactions between banks and settlements between banks are getting gummed up at various points in the system, and I think that a comprehensive crash of the system would, you know, would scare people into accepting this idea of a central bank digital currency. And that's something that they could pull off really at

any time. And even if they didn't do that of their own volition, of course, we are talking about government and they, you know, have screwed up everything else, and so they can certainly manage to do something like that as well. I agree absolutely by accident, yeah, I agree.

I got to comment here from guard Goldsmith as a liberty conspiracy and he says, when I was teaching Austrian economics here in New Hampshire, it was great to see how many students got it and then continued their education by watching mesa's media and getting mesa's institute documents. That's good, and of course I want to talk about that as well. And I want to talk about your book, which is available for free right at themeses dot org. Of course people

can also get an audiobook. There's a fee for the audiobook, but you have it in various pdf and ebook and things like that for free. And I want to talk about how that really seems to be folding into another big problem that's come into the economy. But before we get into that, Guard also commented about Lugwig and he says, Theses almost didn't make it out of Nazi territory. He and his wife were trying to make it to France,

I believe, and almost we're arrested by the ss. Richard Eveling did great work in the nineteen nineties and saving a lot of his work that the Soviets had stolen at the close of World War II. Amazing stories related to his work in life and his economics. That's interesting, you know, I wonder why these centrally controlled economies like the Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union would want

to have his works, except perhaps to destroy them. Right. Yes, When the Nazis invaded Austria, one of the first things they did was sent a crack troop of intelligence officers to Mesis's apartment to get him and his papers and forth. But he had already left the country. They took his papers, they took his furniture and everything and brought it back to an intelligence lab in Germany. And we thought the papers were lost, but Richard Albilien and

others found the papers in an intelligence warehouse in the Soviet Union. So when the Soviet Union invaded German they took all of Mesis's materials, thinking because Mesus had discovered that pure socialism, which both the Nazis and the Kami's both advocate, you know, socialists. Yeah, the Nazis were the national socialists, that's right. Yeah, so they both wanted this complete totalitarian socialism. Mesas

said, no, that's impossible. You have to have property rights, you have to have prices, you have to have money, you know, wage rates and all those kind of things determined in marketplaces. And so the Nazis thought that Mesus had held back some secret of how you solve the problem of socialism, and then the Russians the Soviets also thought that Mesis had hidden that problem. And of course there was no solution. Mesis didn't have the solution

to socialism except to get rid of it, to abandoned it. And of course the world has seen not only was Mesis right about the fallibility of any kind of socialism, but they've also seen that throwing off the socialist yoke in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, and to a large extent in communist China. Once they once you throw off this yoke of complete totalitarian socialism,

production starts happening. People are better off, people live longer, people are happier, you know, and all of these things that Mesis predicted about the economic system came true. And you know, and we could do that here in the United States. You can do that anywhere in the world. Just reduce the amount of socialism and government in your economy and you'll get the benefits of the free market economy. Yes, yes, And of course this isn't

the theory. We've had massive experiments to prove it. Just take a look at East versus West Germany or North versus South Korea. The same people, you know, exactly identical. And what you do is you cut the country in half and you have half of them living under a centrally planned economy. The other half have a freer economy, if not a very free economy.

See the same thing with communist China versus Hong Kong. And of course Milton Friedman did a long series Free to Choose, where he spent a lot of time talking about Hong Kong and how things at that time were very free in Hong Kong. So we've had the experience and we know exactly what this looks like over and over again. If you had a satellite picture. I've seen this over and over again, satellite picture of South Korea at night and it's

all lit up. In North Korea, it's all dark because there's nothing there, and they just completely destroy everything with their economic system. There was something that was a trying I think I can't remember the name of it, and trying to think of the name of it as we started the interview here came to mind the economic theory that's being put out by the Biden administration these other people. That was really kind of the basis of their so called Inflation Reduction

Act. There was a woman who came up with this and and she kind of rejected the technical aspects of of of kingesy and economics. She kind of simplified it and and everything. But it's still just an excuse for the government to do whatever they wish. Maybe you remember the name of it. I can't remember what else. Modern monetary theory. That is modern monetary theory I

MMT and I used always call it the the the magic money tree. You know, that's what it early stands for, is yeah, modern monetary theory. Yeah, that's a little bit about it. Yeah, that's a long established fable that goes back for centuries really, and it is the basis really of our monetary policy. The idea that you can print up pieces of paper

to create economic prosperity. That you can take ink and paper that are very well and good and productive, put them together in the form of a dollar bill or a million dollar bill or a trillion dollar bill, and somehow or another that's going to create more resources. It's going to create more workers, it's going to create more energy, and more productivity and more products, goods,

and services. It's always been thought of as a fable by economists, except now that we get to more recent times where economists are so unhinged from reality that they believe, well, maybe this does have something to it. Maybe we can just print up money and put unemployed resources to work. And so modern monetary theory basically sets that you can borrow, you can print, and you can spend to keep the economy on an upward and always upward trajection.

That any shortfall from full employment, any shortfall of GDP growth from trend you can just make up by borrowing and printing money and then having the government spend it. But actually, you know, right now, I think is a good case in point, because right now the government statistics tell us that GDP is growing at a fairly brisk pace. And yet when you look around the country, and I'm sure many people in your audience right now are suffering

from inflation and lower rages and things of that nature. Why all the economics suffering in an economy that's growing at a brisk pace. Well, the problem is is that they've been printing up money. They've been borrowing money, and the government has been spending it on programs and subsidies that don't make sense in the family budget. Okay, it's not food, clothing, shelter, electricity

that they're producing. They're actually doing things that actually undermine the production of food, clothing, shelter and so on. And so that disconnect of economists and the implementation of that disconnect, that modern monetary theory disconnect, we're seeing that in real life today. Yes, the government is borrowing, the government is spending, the government is printing up money to pay for the whole thing. But what happens in the real world, is that we're not getting the things

that we actually need. We're just getting entries in national statistical accounts that don't put bread on the table. Yes, yes, yeah. The the we've never had a more centrally planned economy where they're planning to shut down our energy infrastructure, change all of our transportation system, and they don't have anything that works to take its place. It's all just rewarding their friends. And when I look at this modern monetary theory, like you point out, it's just

taxes and printing money. And you can't replace applying demand with taxes and printing. But that seems to be what they think they can do. And you look at the the the inflation reduction taxi or whatever they called it. Inf you know, they they decided that, you know, they give all this when they print this money up, they give it to their friends, and there are things to get out of control. They raise taxes on their enemies.

You know. It's really kind of the way this thing works and practice, and so just another excuse again for what it is that they want to do, you know, and so they use it as kind of they use these economic theories. It's kind of their court gestures to do whatever they want. But if we get back to the real world, you know, when we look at Austrian economics, it looks, you know, in the real world, it's got to follow the same examples that you have if you're running

a business or you're running a household or something like that. And so with that in mind, let's talk about your book twenty eighteen, The Skyscraper Curse, and how Austrian economists predicted every major economic crisis of the last century. Now that's pretty large, but you know, we've got this developing commercial real estate problem that seems to have been kicked off by the lockdown and people working from home and the vacancy rates and everything, and even in a booming area

like Shanghai. Because the Chinese communists wanted to show their power, I think was perhaps their motivation. I'm kind of reading into what their motivation is, but it seemed to me like it was a power play, kind of like

Mao's Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward. He decided that he was going to lock down Shanghai and show his authority there because maybe they're getting a little bit too much freedom and a little bit too much independence and now you see there and in Guangzho and so many other places that were bustling and unbelievably crowded

while I was there. Now they're ghost towns that are happening. And there's a concern that, you know, even though it's not at the same dire straits that Shanghai is in, New York City's got vacancy rates of about forty percent, and you've got a lot of people are holding these high interest rates

that are variable, that are just collapsing and turning them back in. How does that current phenomenon, how does that fall back into what you were talking about back in twenty eighteen, Well, the skyscraper curse is just really an illustration of the Austrian business cycle theory, And the Austrian business cycle theory turns on artificially low interest rates that artificially low interest rates now cause entrepreneurs to make

bad investments, investments that won't pay off in the future when interest rates rise. And so, of course we had more than a dozen years of artificially low interest rates because of quantitative easing, because of zero interest rate policy, all sorts of Fed mechanisms to reduce interest rates to spur on the economy. They wanted to turn the dial down in order to increase investment and increase employment

during a slow time in the economy. But of course it was slow because of the housing bubble, the previous housing bubble, and things started to look really bad. After I published my book in twenty eighteen and twenty nine, the economy was going down the tubes, and it was essentially saved by COVID and the COVID rescue package, which sent interest rates back down to zero, and the FED soaked up trillions of dollars of government bonds and mortgage securities.

So for those couple of years, you could borrow money essentially worldwide at almost no interest at all. And so we had a big boom of additional spending, investment spending, and commercial real estate on top of all of the real estate that had been built over the previous decade. And so we have a massive overhang of real estate, commercial real estate, office buildings, houses,

you name it, we over built it. And now that inflation has forced the Fed's hand and forced them to raise interest rates to try to squelch the price inflation that they in effect caused. Now we're seeing the initial signs of breakage in commercial real estate. Skyscrapers big and small are failing, they're going into bankruptcy. They're being resold at a small fraction of what they originally cost to build, or what they might have been sold for a few years ago.

Now they're selling for pennies on the dollar or quarters on the dollar. And I expect to see much more of that going forward, with the Fed holding interest rates higher and possibly inflation remaining much higher, much longer than anyone in Washington d C. Cares to admit. Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. And I thought about it as you were talking about

I never really you know, we talked about the stimulus checks. You know that they tried to appease people that they locked down and put out of business and put out of work. Well, here's your little stimulus check. But they wrote a really big, gigantic stimulus check to all the big guys, the big players, the big banks and Wall Street people and everything. Gave

them a massive stimulus check to keep this thing going. And it seems like the first bubble when they created the real estate bubble, the residential real estate bubble, low interest rates, they kept them down for a very long time. You look at that, at one point, the Federal Reserve just starts raising it, you know, like every month or whatever quarter of a percent,

you know, twenty five basis points. And then they just went until everything popped and they crashed, and then they started doing the same thing again,

but even bigger. And then, as you point out, you got the stimulus check that's written with a low zero interest rates to all the these bankers and businesses and anything as part of COVID, and then they start the whole cycle has been started all over again since the real estate market crash, as you point out, with all the uh, the the the quantity of easing as well as interest rates and everything, they created it and did it

even bigger this time. And then they started when they won, when it came time for them to burst it, they started jumping it about three or four times as much as they did the first time and created massive disruption with this. So as you're looking at this year, you're thinking that we're going to continue on with inflation quite some time. Do you think it's going to go into a hyper inflation type of scenario like we've seen in Argentina or Venezuela

or some other place in Zimbabwe or something. Are we going to go into really really high hyperinflation? How do you see this? Well, I mean, I'm worried about that because it's not just real estate that's been borrowing money, but the federal government has been borrowing, you know, trillions of dollars of new money, trillions of dollars rolling over of the national debt. And remember they were borrowing, you know, ten year government bonds for less than

two percent. Many governments around the world were borrowing money at less than two percent for ten years. And now they're having to start rolling over that stuff. And so interest payments on government debt is rising because everybody's upside down on their portfolios. And as a consequence, the interest payments on the national debt have risen very sharply, from a half a trillion to near a trillion dollars

now in a very short period of time. And we're adding a trillion dollars of national debt it seems like every few months, and you know, we're on pace to be borrowing trillions more over the next fiscal year with that interest payment on national debt increasing over time, and so and the fed itself is upside down on its portfolio. So it is losing money now for the very first time. It's it's lost one hundred billion dollars in the last year.

It's probably projected to be losing two hundred billion dollars, and that's added into the government's debt, and so everything is going in the wrong direction. And the only thing that has continued to hold up is well, the seven technology companies in the S and P five hundred. If you take them out, the stock market is either flat or falling and has been if not for those seven giant tech companies, you know. So that's that's that's just not a

good sign. And the other thing that's been holding up is the US dollar. The value of the US dollar has been holding up, and it's precisely because all of the other currencies in the world are so weak that people are sending more and more of their money to be invested in the United States as the least worst currency in the world. So that's been holding up. But once that starts deteriorating, and that starts fueling oil prices directly, for example,

yes, I mean we're on the path to hyperinflation. We're early enough now that we could do something about it. But you know, there's no stomach in Washington, d C. To make the kinds of changes Slashing government spending, cutting taxes on workers and investors, rolling out or rolling under vast swaths of government bureaucracy, returning those resources to the productive side of the economy. That's what we really need, and there's no stomach in Washington, d

C. For that. There's no stomach for reducing welfare payments and curbing entitlement programs. All of those things seem to be off the table generally, and those are exactly the types of things that need to be on the table immediately so that we can get off the road not only to hyperinflation, but of course hyperinflation is just one step short of the road to totalitarianism and dictatorship. So this this, you know, it's not just that prices go up and

everybody has more money in their pockets and so forth. This is the road ultimately to the destruction of the economy and the destruction of the American way of life, I agree, and the takeover by totalitarian government. We're all, you know, everybody recognizes that that's the direction we've been going with the COVID lockdowns and so forth. That's the direction that our politicians have us in the direction of I agree, yeah, they want us on the road to serve

them because there'll be the feudal overlords they're going to be running this. I mean, you know, we look at this like, no, we don't want to go to the roads, but they do. And that's one of the reasons why I think this appears to be really kind of a deliberate takedown. You know, I think it was last week. I think they didn't hit the trillion dollars in terms of just the interest payment on the debt. I think I reported that last week it did hit finally trillion dollars because I

was like, wow, it's amazing. But as you point out, they keep going further and further into debt and the interest rates keep going higher, so of course that's going to happen. And the famous saying the Road to Serfdom was actually the famous book by fa Hyak, who was a student of Ludwig von Mesis, and Mesus and Hayak both wrote books in nineteen forty four.

Hayak wrote The Road to Serfdom. Mesis wrote the book bureaucracy where you know, an omnipotent government as well, Mesis wrote, And they were warning us that the tendency in American government that far ago was that we were going in this direction where we just felt good about having more government programs, but ultimately you would get to a point where the people no longer had control over their own very government. That's right, Yeah, that's the path that it

always takes. You know, when you talked about the fact that the dollar is doing well because we have the least worst of the central banks, it reminds me of you know, we've got I think it's this weekend there's going to be the election in Argentina with Javier Malai, who is a free market economist. I don't know if you know him or if he's connected with you, but that's one of the things he was saying. We got to get rid of the Argentine I think it's peso and we've got to replace it with

the US dollary. He says, I think all central banks are awful, but he said exactly the same thing. He said, you know, they're they're not as bad as our central bank. What do you do you know anything about Javier Malai and what is happening there. Has there been any correspondence with the Mesa's Institute in him. Well, he's not affiliated with us at this point, but we've written about him on our web page several times and

we're following him very carefully. He considers himself an Austrian School economist and a student of Murray Rothbard, who was really the great modern Austrian economist and our first vice president for academic affairs. So he's very much in our camp. He's very obviously intelligent person and he's got the right instincts with respect to policy, and he doesn't want to make the US dollar the currency of Argentina.

That's just a transition policy away from their hyperinflationary tendencies down in argent Argentina. They've tried these kind of measures in the past and ultimately they've come back to fail, and that's why he views dollarization as a temporary transition policy back to a sound monetary system of gold and silver, where everybody out there in the economy their money is gold and silver coins, something the central bank can't do

anything about, something the government can't do anything about. If we hold money that has an intrinsic value and cannot be printed at the whim of a central banker or at the whim of some economist or a politician. Yeah, so he's definitely from the Austrian school. We have very high hopes that he'll do well and he'll be able to implement a lot of his reforms. But basically

he wants to cut a lot of government spending down there. I mean, they have a bloaded government sector down there, which forces the current government to print money to pay for it. If you cut the government sector significantly enough and you open up the free market economy, then you simply don't need the

printing press, and sound money is really a prerequisite for sound government. That's a point that mesis Mate made a long time ago, is that he was considered a medallist because he believed in gold and silver coins in the hands of individuals as the most significant guardian of the pre market society that prevented government from in effect taxing the population through the printing press. Yes, and so, and of course that east luck, that's right. You know, the American

founders experienced that. That's why they say, you know, it's going to be gold and silver and it's going to be minded. But because they'd lived through a continental dollar that was just a worthless piece of paper, worthless than a you know, not worth a continental and so they wanted the same type of thing he's living through one hundred and fifty percent inflation. It was interesting.

I found a book that was done by Axel actual Kaiser called street Economics, very much like what you're talking about that Misus did, taking practical examples out of everyday life and saying, you know, this is how the world works, and this is why we need to organize ourselves this way economically and so forth, as opposed to you know, the Keynesian abstraction and saying, you know, no, everything works differently when the government is doing it.

That's become a very very popular book in South America. He knows Javier Malay and he just recently got it translated into English. But yeah, it is interesting to see, you know, whether they're going to come back to their senses or not. It seems like the biggest obstacle to him coming back is they're trying to throw Taylor Swift against him. I mean, she's got a

big popular following there and right before they're going to have the election. She's going to be there for the opening concert, and she and the lefties that are following her are already starting to make noise about Javier Malay. So we'll see if he can beat Taylor Swift and all this those But let's get back to your book here. The Skyscraper Curs. That's an interesting title. Explain

to us what that means. Well, it's just that there's a long history dating back about one hundred and fifty years now where whenever a world record setting skyscraper is built and completed, right in the aftermath of that is a world economic crisis. And so what this tells us is that when central banks go through long concerted efforts to artificially lower interest rates for a very long time, that eventually somebody comes up with the idea that they're going to build a record

setting skyscraper. It's very difficult technologically, not just the money, but every time you build taller, you've got to come up with completely different and new ways of building a building. Designing a building, all of the elevators and the water system, sewage, air conditioning, everything about it has to change a little bit in order to make a record possible, and so you can go back into the nineteenth century and every time you see these low interest rate

periods, a record setting skyscraper and then a big economic crisis. And so the skyscraper is really just an illustration of what's going on throughout the economy. Everybody's you know, with the new interest these new low interest rates, everybody is implementing new technologies, stuff that is future related technologies. When we're seeing that today with artificial intelligence, for example, that probably wouldn't have come about

for several years. But because Google and some of these other companies have just tons of money sitting around, they were able to finance those kind of research efforts and bring them online before their time. But the skyscraper, again is just an illustration of what goes on in the economy, except for maybe mom and pop grocery stores and restaurants, where everybody's adapt adopting new technologies before their

time. They're changing their structure of production that's not really in sync with the true interest of consumers. And as a consequence, once interest rates start to rise, all of these investments, all of these investments in technology and future tech anology really break and it brings the economy into an economic crisis. I'm all, you know, I'm all for technology, and I love futuristic things, but if we do it as a society, we're barking up the wrong

tree, essentially. And the skyscraper is just a really good illustration of how that takes place when we can't really see it in our everyday lives. And I explain how this works using some simple examples for people to understand, and also examples of how the economy develops naturally in terms of implementing new technologies and new production techniques and new structures of production in the economy. So there's a natural way to do this, and there's an artificial way to do this,

and the artificial way leads to economic crisis. That's interesting. That's very interesting. As you're talking about this and thinking how the you know, they as they build these skyscrapers and they're pushing everything to all new level, going to do this in a way that's never been done before. I'm thinking maybe it's

a tower babble curse that's that's going on there. Or the Titanic. Right, wait, we got this new uh, this new ship and it's unsinkable and because at the heart of it is really kind of a lot of pride that goes before these falls, but it is it is interesting to see that happening as a phenomenon. And as you're talking about this a skyscraper curse, you know, one of the things in the commercial real estate uh as, as it's starting to become a real issue, they have these things called mezzanine

loans. Maybe you know what it is, but I'd never seen that before. For the people who aren't in the business, they said, you know, it's it's called a mezzanine loan because people do this high risk loan because they're not the they're not at the top of the capital stack, and so they're further down if things if the skyscraper gets cursed and it collapses, there are a few floors down and they don't get paid right away, and so

it's much riskier and they get a higher loan in it. But there after the two thousand and eight crash, the government prohibited that for the big banks that they bailed out. They said, because it's riskier, so you're going to do safer things, they said, But that's another level of risk that these small and medium sized banks assumed in the interim, which is going to be another thing that is going to wipe them out, perhaps because now these

mezzanine loans are really you know, they're collapsing left and right. Yeah, I mean, the idea that the government bureaucrats can regulate financing of investments is just ludicrous, you know. And they themselves opened up this opportunity by not allowing certain banks to be involved and then yet making funds available in the economy for one or two percent. So naturally somebody is going to come along. Somebody is going to be willing to borrow money at two percent in order to

lend it. Making these mezzanine loans for financing large construction projects and earning ten or twelve percent. Somebody, somebody's going to do that, even though they don't Yeah, they don't. Yeah, that's right. They take the bait, even though they don't have collateral in the building, and even though it's maybe not as long a term loan as the initial investors, the people who are covered with the collateral and so forth. You know, somebody is going

to be willing to take that bait. And uh, you know, and I don't know what the overall figure is but of course, the the market as a whole with commercial real estate is trillions of dollars and we're starting to see the cracks in those markets, you know, where projects are failing, right, and it's going to affect everybody's because it's going to it's going to be a massive curse for the entire banking industry and that is going to filter

ound and affect everybody. Absolutely is. It's been great talking to you. Thank you for coming on. Mark Thornton and he is a senior fellow at the Mesas Institute. You can find his book that we've been talking about. There's a lot in there. You can see that for free as a PDF or an ebook. They have an audiobook that they do sell, but you can find other information very use full information at mess dot org, m I sees dot org. Thank you so much for joining us, sir, Thank

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