The Dave Pasch Podcast - Scott Van Pelt

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called one eight hundred. Next step all right, time for our conversation with the Great Scott van pelt So Scott. You probably don't even remember, but we actually met in the nineties. Both of us had hair. I think you were at the Golf Channel and it was at a US Open and Mike Tarico introduced us. I don't know that I've actually seen you in person, since we always see each other on TV when you know, we have a late game and we're throwing it too or whatever.

But happier for your success. Man. It's it's been incredible to watch What year is this now? For Sports Center with SVP? Is it year eight? Did you guys start in twenty fifteen? Yes, yes, we just began our eighth year. And you know, it's funny just to backpedal on just sort of how all of us in this goofy business sort of know each other. I feel like so many of us have done what you're explaining right. We've we've crossed paths somewhere. It's in a press room, it's on

a field, it's buy an eighteenth green, it's whatever. And then you go do your thing and I go do mine, and we're certainly aware of and rooting for each other as we watch, and uh, you know, things evolved and you've obviously done great stuff as well and continue to get to do all of that. And I've been lucky too, and I just feel like I'm I really enjoy how how our fraternity of Slash sorority, whatever you want to call it, it's it's it really is a fraternal thing.

I find that mostly we root for each other. I don't know if people get that, um, but that's always how I feel people mostly, And then you know, every now and you meet people that just suck, but that's just life. I mean, that's not exclusive to any specific occupation. But mostly it's a really cool and supportive family because it's such it's such a weird gig to do where you're on the road and weekends aren't necessarily weekends, and

holidays might not be holidays and all the rest of it. So, um, you know, we we signed up to do this late night thing and it's been fun. It was a total like just a whiteboard, you know, empty do what you want with it, and they've let us kind of do our own thing, and some stuff has stuck and others didn't. And mostly we just come on after games because we like to watch sports and try to reflect that and how we cover it. But it's it's really been not

anything I ever dreamt would happen, that's for sure. So Scotty, how did it go down with the approach? Who approached you at the ESPN about the idea? Was this something that you pitched them? How did it all come together? Because you were obviously doing a lot of different things at the time, including your radio show, and you were doing some Thursday college football pre and post and doing Sports Center. How did this show in particular come about? It was John Wildhack was in charge at the time.

He's now at Syracuse as an a d and good for the Orange of having a nice year this fall, and frankly could have won on Saturday at Clemson. That's

neither here nor there. John Skipper was our president at the time, and the conversation was just kind of an organic, what do you want to do sort of a thing, and I thought, I said, it'd be pretty cool to be able to take the idea of radio and bring it to Sports Center and have it a little bit less structured, but not just entirely abandoned the notion of who won the games and what were the cool things that happened, And so it was it was just out

of that conversation. It was the type of thing where I never thought they do it. I mean, Sports Center orgy know, has always been this sacred sort of a brand, and the idea that they give me the keys to the car, so to speak, and let me go where I wanted. I just didn't think it had happened. But then, to John Wildhau's credit, he said, speak like to use the car analogy. He said, Look, I don't want you

to stand in the middle lane. I mean treat it like there's a lot of a lot of lanes that you can explore and see what you want and see what works and what doesn't. And so that's that was it. I mean, it was just kind of born out of that idea that that maybe it would work, and it it was. It wasn't like it was a high stakes gamble. It was you know, it's midnight, you know, and the space after games matters. That real estate is important. But if it just didn't sort of take then we could

have just punted. But you know, it worked well enough that we're continuing to do it. And you know, on a night like on Monday tonight, as you and I talk, we follow up the Bears and the Patriots, and then Tuesday we follow the NHL, then Wednesday we follow the NBA, and and I mean it's I still love games. I'm sure you do too. If you didn't, you wouldn't call right.

I mean, the watching games is still endlessly interesting because things happen you just can't ever imagine, and greatness and happens and disappointment and all of it, and we get to document that. And that's sort of that's the space we've lived in since whatever it was twenty fifteen. I guess it wasn't that fall. And we will be throwing it to you Wednesday. I'm doing Lakers Denver. It's uh jj Reddick and Richard Jefferson. It's the first time that

the two have worked a game together. So I'll actually be thrown at you after we're done. Like I said, I haven't seen you in twenty five years, but we end up talking. That's the business in a nut job. Yeah. One of the reasons I think your show has worked is because you're so likable on the air. And I'm curious how much do you think the radio show helped in that regard. I had Golok on a few weeks ago and I got to do one college football season with Mike and just seeing the number of people that

are just attracted him in his personality. And I feel like for a play by play announcer, for the most part, you're playing a role. You're calling a game. You're not really putting your personality out there. Although maybe it's different when I do college basketball with Bill Walton because you can't help, but you know, get into conversations outside of just calling the game. My jobs to document the games.

As a talk show host on radio or doing Sports Center, you you're allowed to have your personality really out there

and people gravitate to you. Scott, how much do you think doing the talk show, combine with all your history with Sports Center helped create what you've got going now enormously because what you learn in radio, which I've said and I'll say again, was the hardest thing that I did, And I don't know what else could be harder in this in this field because it requires hours and hours and hours of conversation and interesting conversation and it's every day and it's a lot, a whole lot, And Rissillo

helped me massively just to know, you know, I've always credited him for saying, you know, okay, well we'll talk about the Bears and Patriots in a block of wait, wait, what's the topic? Right, just saying we're going to talk about the game. Fine, Well what's the topic. What's interesting about the topic? Is it fields? Is it who's the quarterback in the indiand is it narrowing that down? But anyone can do that, anyone on radio can talk about sports.

What you should get to share there is who you are, what you think, what matters to you. If I don't mind being, you know, vulnerable and sharing part of my life, the highs and the lows. Talking about losing our dog, Otis, our Wheredesian ridge back this past spring, I mean it was. I mean, you're gonna bear your soul. I sat on television and balled about my dog. I can't tell you, Dave, how many times. Just I was in a Maryland football

game this weekend. It was homecoming. These strangers come up to me and they say, the thing you did about your dog, that thing you said about Otis. They know his name? I said, I tell my wife, like our dog became famous posthumously. You know, and when you share yourself and the way that Mike and Mike did in the mornings about their children and watching their kids grow

up and sharing that part of their lives. If you're willing to, then your audience gets to know you as a human, not just some person they say on television, and they care about your life if you're willing to share it. And I've done that, and so undoubtedly that part has helped. I think people recognize that I like sports. I tell them while I'm from they know I'm a turp. When Marilyn gets, you know, beat, then I get I gotta wear it, I get heckled. But when they win,

people know I'm psyched and they're psyched for me. So that coupled with having done sports in er for a long time, getting to sit alongside a guy like Neil Everett who we had a great relationship with, alongside Stuart Scott, who he and I had a great thing. You have all these different ways that you connect to an audience, and radio was the one that made it really personal. And so that's been a huge, huge help to connecting

to an audience. Because now it's harder than everything, easier than ever to have a show, harder than ever to connect to people because there's so many of them to sort of choose from. Yeah, you mentioned Neil. I've gotten to know Neil a little bit through Bill Walton. Neil will come to some of the Oregon UCLA games and then we'll go out to dinner. I think they also

have a tequila company to yeather. I don't know. Neil will shout out a zunia sometimes if people are watching Sports Center and they just hear Neil shout that out, or if you hear Bill shout that out. Apparently it's a tequila company that I think they Well, there you go. I wouldn't surprise me. It could be anything with those guys. As we know that Neil is one of the truly, he's my brother forever. I love him. He's such a such a gentle kind, unique soul man. I'm just so

blessed that I got to know him. I don't know if you'd say the same of Bill. Watching you guys, I don't want to turn the tables on you, but I do. Can may I ask one question? Oh yeah, of course, that's whatever. Do whatever you want? How do you do it? Because we had Bill on once and he's such a joy, But it's like getting on a ride in an amusement park and not knowing where it ends. Yeah,

so you probably are aware of this. It has been out It is out there that they're doing a thirty for thirty on Bill and his whole life and a big part of his obviously going to be his playing days. I mean the interviewed Kareem, Doctor, j ry Bird, Magic John, I mean, you name it, Michael Jordan, they interviewed, well, I met with them in March for about an hour because they want to do a piece on Bill with the broadcasting and they were they were asking the same

questions and you know, how do you do it? And what's the key? And I think I've had other teammates of his, including Lionel Hollands, who is a teammate of his with the Blazers, tell me this that Bill views me as Kareem and that I'm kind of his rival, but I'm his teammate. So for the audience's sake, we're rivals. But when when the lights are not on and we're not on the air, we're teammates. Does does that make sense? Like I guess I grasped that and that helped me understand, Okay,

it's not personal. It's a game. This is part of the entertainment, and it allows him to feel like he's playing in Game seven of the NBA Finals against Kareem It makes sense. It's just it takes a rare talent to be able to do it so capably. I feel like you and and Benetti. I remember watching Benetti and Maui and just being blown away because I mean, it's Dayton's playing whomever at noon it's or something, and he's like,

have you read on Fire the Vanities or something? And I'm thinking, oh, this poor guy, and Bannetti hits it back at him with pace, and then just for the next two hours, it's just this running who knows what. But the ability that you have to weave in the actual calling of the game, which matters to the two Oregon UCLA fans that are watching. They'd like to just have some sort of context of the play by play,

but also never missing where the he's meandering. I just I'm marvel at it, and I just uh, but I also know, I mean, I don't do play by play, so I don't try to put myself in that seat. I just but I think it's it's a truly a rare man or a woman that could sit there and actually do it, and you're great at it. I appreciate it. I think a lot of it too, is just we're very different, but we're both accepting of the other and

our personalities and our beliefs and backgrounds. And you know, one of the greatest compliments I got, And this was very early on. This was twenty thirteen or fourteen. I had done the Pactol Championship game with Bill, and I had a Warrior's game. I think it was the next night or two nights later. I walk in at the time. First of all, Luke, Bill's son, is one of the assistant coaches. I walk in and Luke comes over to me and gives me a hug, like you look like

you need a hug. And we're doing this and so, and then we go to a sit down with Steph Curry and we're about to start and Steph goes, why didn't you answer his question? I said, excuse me. He goes, you didn't answer Bill's question. And I'm like, Steph, what are you talking about? He goes, Bill asked if you had ever been inside of a volcano while it's erupting, and you didn't answer it. I'm like, because I just kind of blew off the question, which I do a lot.

I think actually people kind of enjoy that more than if you actually answer it. I don't know, right, but how cool is that? And you asked earlier about having a radio show, and am I said about sharing my life? I did a thing about my daughter on the show once in a segment we call one Big Thing. Then the night after I did it, it was her birthday.

She was six, and Steph scores twenty three and the fourth they beat Houston in Houston to knock them out of the playoffs, and Steph Curry is on with us, and I'm he's always gracious, and I'm trying to let him go and I'm trying to say goodbye, and he says, no, wait, wait, hold on that thing you did last night about your daughter, man, And I mean, you just those things blow you away,

don't say. I mean, you know someone's out there on the other side of the television, But when it's somebody that you're talking about on the television and they're consuming it actively, I think that's not that it's better or worse than anybody listening to you and me talk right now.

But I just don't know that you're ever really prepared for that, right right, And it's affirmation that you're what you're doing is bringing joy to somebody else, right, you're in attaining which is in a way that you know. I mean, Steph, So how you you I assume who's who who among us has been inside of volcano when it's rupted, and now of course I have. But if you say that, it kind of you know, you're almost

better off just kind of going back to the game exactly. Yeah, that's that's the thing, I you, It's like having It's like my kid in the car in the back. I just I answer a lots of other stuff that's just non secutors. I just figured out he didn't really want to know that if he doesn't last again. Oh man, good stuff. Well let's um, let's talk a little football.

I'm curious because you know, obviously you're watching games all the time, and you know you're on after the Thursday night game, so you watch the Cardinals beat the Saints last week. Give me your sense of what you think there are three and four? They are a game out of first place in the NFC West despite struggling mightily offensively for the most part this season, which is so weird because just to be honest with your listeners, I mean,

I know Cliff a long time. I like him. He's an easy guy to like, right, fair enough, Yeah, great guy? Right right? So we I mean I go back to like the college days, and we had a moment you know, a lot during our Rascillo days on radio, and it's just like I didn't. I mean, I thought, like a lot of people thought he was going to be the sc you know, offensive coordinator, and then well it took a left and as he said a couple of weeks ago, like this is new to me. I've never struggled with offense.

When they went to Sea Allen scored nine points, I thought, whoa, what are we looking at here? Now we get a little more context with Sea Alle and you think, you know, like, good to Pete Carroll. Good for them, they're they're they're competitive, don't They're leading the West. Good for Gino Smith, good from the whole bunch of them. Um the way things have gone. But I have a friend that always say is if you say good for you, it sounds like

it's it sounds patronizing, but I'm being sincere. I think it's great that they've done as well as they have when everyone thought they were just sort of punting on the present. Well, it doesn't look what they are. I think the good news for Arizona clearly is you're not in division with Philadelphia. You don't find yourself. I was behind the leader, um, and you get you need to be better at home. Obviously that's a secret. But you know what I looked at it. I looked at it

was a schedule before they buy. And there's not a single game that is easy on that not long. And but there's also not a single game that I think isn't if they want it would surprise me because I think the NFL right now is as weird as I've ever remembered it, just in terms of how few teams I really accept as being excellent. I mean, Minnesota's records says they're really good. Are they I don't know. I

watched how they beat Detroit it felt like they've stolen one. Um. I watched how they beat New Orleans the same thing kind and so I don't know that they're really good or not. And When I watch Arizona and I see new comeback, I think instantly, man, that's that's the difference a guy makes. Like when I watched Aaron Rodgers struggle, I think, how much of that's not having seventeen a guy he just trusts on third and five to get him a first time, to keep the ball, move the chains,

I think a lot. Well, how many times the Hopkins get targeted in that Thursday It was like fourteen and you instantly see the connection that they have with one another, and how much of the differences that make to an offense A ton So I mean, I think they'll they're likely to be better. I think with the two bags that filled in for Connor last week, they both played well. It sucks that Hollywood Brown got hurt, but you know,

maybe more can stay healthy. You've got enough weapons out there that at some point I just have to believe the offense is going to look like it's capable of looking and what it does. Then there's no reason that Arizona can't win enough games to be in the mix for a playoff spot, particularly given what the West is. But if they want to mess around and play like they've played at home or they want to mess around and play like they played it, but up in Seattle.

Then looking at these games before to buy, there's not one of them looks like an obvious win to me either. So I don't know if that's reasonable, but from a long way away, that's that's what I've noticed when I watch it play. To your point, though the NFL, it's it is crazier than ever. Who saw Carolina pummeling Tampa Bay and Brady looking as pedestrian as he has And oh look that that was? That was that was? That was a string I said on the show in Sports

Center like that. In the end of the year, like towards December, I'll I always sort of say this is the best one and the worst loss of the day, because the stakes are such that you know, if you're in the mix, you just can't afford this loss. It's premature to say that, you know, something's the worst loss of the day, but I didn't think it was yesterday.

I think if you're Carolina and you've traded away your best player on Thursday night and you're on your third string quarterback and you're sort of trying to figure out what are we going to be well, you're not supposed to be Tom Brady and Tampa Bay and tam Tampa. This Tampaga is awful on Sunday. Awful. Yeah, this were three points, and I wouldn't say they were lucky to do that because they got in the red zone. But Brady looks a mess, Rogers looks a mess. I'm here

in Washington. I mean, Washington beat Green Bay. Those two together, keep we keep. I think we do this thing where we just presume good teams are good forever and then and then when they're not, you just sort of baffled by it. Well I'm baffled, but neither one of those teams looks like a good football team right now. You obviously have a close connection to Washington, and I'd love to know your thoughts there on the team, first of all.

And then also you got Jim Mercy taken shots of Daniel Snyder trying to you force a sale of an ownership. You know, we have that here in Phoenix with Robert Sarvaen. To me, that was eye opening because again I keep referencing things I've said on Sports Center, but it's just obviously that was the topic of conversation and we had Dan Graziano one, and I said, I don't know this to be true, but I can't imagine that Jim is out there saying that on his own. I clearly think

he would. I don't think Jim needs anyone's permission to say what he thinks. But I don't presume that he's out there saying that unless he believes that there are others in the room that feel the same. There's a significant hold on a second, hold on a second. We have we have to manage this. We have to manage the room. Fellas. I have two young kids, we have rustlemania. We can't have it. Answer ourselves, answer ourselves, okay, so forward. Failing as a dad. The amount of listening that's going

on is minimal. I've been there, brother, I've been there. Man. I feel for you. Oh, this is what happens when you have kids, your forties and you're an old guy. You have you have three timeouts. If you need to use one, you can um so on the earth say bit. I don't presume that he speaks without feeling like there's some consensuses and overstanding that there's somebody else in the

room that feels that way. And that's eye opening because typically these guys don't break lank and so in DC, as you can imagine, that plays really well because people here largely would love to see it something change in regards to ownership. Um, spend a long time. It's been a long time since they've been any good and if you're an older guy like me, you remember when they were great. So, um, it's it's just it's that they're just an energy around it. It's just such that they've

lost a fan base. If you'd have told me when I was a young man that someday Washington would be last in the NFL and attendance, I would have just fought you on site, just on principle, because that's that's an impossibility that never could have happened, and it has. And so I mean, it's just it's I guess it

speaks to that anything could happen. Um, if you think back to the RFKA days and what was and now to the FedEx days with you know, stadium largely is overtaken by whoever they're playing that week, and it's just sad. I mean, it's just it's a it's an incredibly sad state of affairs. And you know, I think URSA is saying that had a lot of people here that are in that sort of sell the team camp, saying wow,

what does this mean? Well, it hasn't been anything yet. Um, I just no idea what will happen next, But a lot of Washington fanciers are sort of waiting to see a couple more and then we'll let you go. So we kind of mentioned a second ago about the dog. So and I texted you you you had done the story the summer on Otis and I don't even have a dog, and I text you to tell you man, I was like, I was emotional watching it. I don't have a dog. I haven't had a dog since I

was a kid, and I was emotional. So you get the new puppy and the puppy. Kevin Clark was on this pod. I think actually the week that happened, it might have been the week before what happened? And how did you guys survive to get through it given what was going on in the background. Well, it was kind of you. You were one of many people that reached out and showed, you know, your kindness after we lost our dog. It was it was off horribly sad, anyone

that's ever had a dog. No, it's just how much they mean and how integral they are to the family. And we thought following the summer, when we were traveling so much, that maybe we'd have the time to actually pay attention and and correctly take care of a puppy, because it's a great deal of work. So um Otis was and our dog, Read is a Rhodesian ridge back, and there ended up being these big balls of muscling. Um. He's going to be a big, big guy eventually. At

the moment he's little um. But what dogs and all living creatures do. Davis the poop And so he came walking in behind me as I looked into the zoom camera, and like a true star, he got right into the frame and he squared up his shoulders and he squatted and he took a big old dump, and so I took I took a twenty, and then we went ahead and made it a full and we cleaned up the mess and um, and we carried on, because what else are we to do. He's a puppy, He's gonna do

puppy things. But those things continue, They're just not happening on podcasts. So it's just you're sort of scurrying around behind the guy making sure you can get outside. But um, you know, he's the new guy in town, and we're we're grateful to have the new puffed. And it's just very different because otis we got right after I got married and so it was just me and my bride at the time. We now introduce the new guy into this chaos, some of which you got a chance to hear.

With three young kids and now a puppy, and so mostly I just try to survive until I get to leave for the sanctuary of work. What time do you normally go in? How long are the meetings and the prep to do a show? And what time do you get out of there? And then are you like you go to bed at four in the morning, wake up at noon type person. It's it's not so that we meet it like four to thirty Eastern. We do. We

do a zoom. I think a lot of the things that sort of came out of COVID is that we realize we don't need to be in the office sitting there for that many hours. It's sort of counterproductive. So we meet via zoom because we can just as effectively do that. We probably meet for between half an hour, sometimes it could go as long as an hour. And when there's a lot going on, you're trying to sort out what's going to fit in what isn't, and I generally get I'll eat at home with our family and

head in sometime in theres seven o'clock hour. And on a night like Monday, as you and I are talking, we'll do our pod, Steve and I'll do our pod tonight, we'll watch, we'll do the Monday Night game. We'll come on when it's over. Depending on when the game ends, we'll be live until maybe twelve thirty, sometimes one. And you know, Sunday night was chaos because the Yankee game got pushed back I should say the Astro as they won the Astro game got pushed back through the rain.

So it ends as we come on live, which meant if in TV the first segments called the A Block, the A Block for the re air show was live at one thirty in the morning. That's not normally the way things go. So Sunday was a long night. Didn't get home till three well, I stilept till probably eleven today. But it's just it's just weird sort of third shift life, you know what I mean. Like you operate um during a time frame where there's nobody on the roads coming

home at night, which is great. Um, you're able to pick up your kids from school during the day. You're present for a lot of stuff that a lot of folks might miss, and then you miss some weird stuff that other people wouldn't you know. So, but this is sort of what we signed up for. But you know I'd be doing it anyway. I watched the games mostly

when I'm off, just because they interest me. So you know that the schedule is different than most, but it's it's kind of the only thing I've done for twenty whatever years. So now it's just very like a very well worn in lane, you know what I mean. Well, listen, I'll let you go because I know you got to get back to the fam. I could ask you about one hundred more questions. We're good, no one's bleeding, everyone's still upright. If you have I mean, if we could

go rapid Fire, I'll just okay your questions. Sure, okay. Rapid Fire is favorite guest meaning favorite regular mine for your show is Tim Legler. Do you have a favorite, or I don't want you. I don't want you to get in trouble if you answer this, but do you have one? I see what you mean. Well, I mean no, I honestly don't, because when I'm talking to Damian Woody,

I'm having a blast. When we have Ryan Clark on after Money and Night Football, I think, how does this man have the energy when he was on Get Up this Morning? When we have Legs on, I think nobody's smarter telling me about basketball than this guy. When we have people sort of you know, different athletes that I've had the chance to talk to through the years, I'd say Pat Beverley was always one I loved just because

I thought he was just so himself, you know. I mean, and now you know you're seeing him do some stuff in like a podcast space, which only makes sense, and you saw him do some media last year after they got the season ended. That didn't surprise me at all. I thought he'd always really kind of break, he'd cut through with people just because he doesn't give a crap. But I mean, I'm lucky to have so many people that whenever Tim Kirchin pops up, I think, oh, here's

my guy. You know what I mean, it's so many of those Doris Burke talk at basketball with doors like I talked to dB until the cows come home. So I'm lucky in that sense that there's so many people I enjoy it. I hear from Stanford Steve often during college basketball season for obvious reasons because he's Stanford Steve and we're doing back twelve games. How long have you

known and worked with Stanford Steve? He became our producer on radio a couple of years in with me and Ryan, and knowing him as you do, you can understand how easy it is to to just sort of latch onto

the guy. He's he's a great company, he's funny, he's an incredible sports fan, knows more about more than anyone that I know, and it's it's blows my mind, Like I get I know why I remember my team's regional path, you know, because it was my team, But he remembers just I remember ninety two the West Regional is a phoenix. He's like what And he's never wrong. It's just us just one of those people in cyclopedic knowledge. And oh, by the way, he was the number one recruit in

high school when he came out of high school. He was a five star guy, but he never big times. So we just sort of instantly hit it off because he was just such a great company and amazingly loyal friend. And I've told the story often, but for your listeners are just the cliffs notes. Was when we had that meeting with wild Hack and talked about doing the show. I said, look, Stanford Steve needs to be on. They're like,

what is he going to do? I said, well, he's gonna be Stanford Steve And they said, well, what is that? And I said, I don't really know, but it's just trust me. He's just I need him to be there, otherwise I'll feel sort of, you know, I'll naked and alone. Well, you guys have great chemistry too. I feel much more comfortable with his presence and you guys have great chemistry. It's I enjoy when when you have him on. Um, all right, last one not the fake SVP is your

Twitter handle at some point where you impersonated. Is that why you did that or were you just trying to be because it really like latched on because at the time I don't even know that the fake Twitter accounts were that big or if they were somebody somebody. Well, first of all, it seemed like early in the Twitter days, at least early for me knowing about it, everyone was

the real sell and sell. And then someone did pretend to be me and they were making all these ridiculous um you know, just saying things that I wouldn't have said. And then you know, I can't remember exactly all the different whatever whatever it was. I mean, it's just it was if anybody was pretending to be you and saying things that wasn't it wouldn't you. You wouldn't want that to be anyone to think it was you. So I

wasn't the real me. I was just I was not the fake one, and that that was where we started. And however many years ago that was that was it in the Twitter space, which I was as anti as as a lot of people are sort of like this is, um, who cares if you're eating a sandwich? But you realize, oh, it's not necessarily eating a sandwich. It's this is where we find out everything that's happening in real time. Right sure, all right? I lied last one? Um Live golf versus

the PGA. Is this ultimately good or bad? For golf, good for the dudes, it got all the money. It's just I don't think it's I don't think it benefits people to like the game because you don't. You don't end up with him as any of the best people together. Um as you would hope, you'd you'd hope that these people are playing. I don't know, pick pick a PGA Tour event, you know, the memorial, you know, or some some tournament we've seen a lot through the years were

you're just used to seeing all those all these people playing. Um, you know, not having them all together benefits nobody. And it's just it's a bummer. I get why they did it. I mean, it's a pot full of money. I don't I don't know who among us if they were. I mean I get people saying that where the money comes from, and that doesn't you know, I understand that, but none of us are presented with that moral alema of one hundred million or not, right, Um, And so it's just

I don't know, I don't know where it ends. I mean, at some point they will have had it, they will live, tour, will have as many people as they can get on it, and there won't be any more guys getting posted at least for the foreseeable future. But uh, certainly for the last year and a half. It's been an incredible amount of conversation. It's just I don't know, I don't know where to go with it anymore. Last week, one of our production folks, it's like, what do you think about?

You know, Rory's talking about what Phil said, and I said, how how many weeks do you guys want to do this? You know, how many? How many times do you want me to do Rory responding to Phil who said this about Live, I mean, this is this is a dog chasing tale story. Nothing's advancing, We're just saying the same sorts of things where I just don't think every side's

pretty well established. I know what the Live guys think, and I know what's the PGA two where people think, and that isn't going to suddenly change um, at least for the time being. So I don't think. I don't think it benefits anyone that loves golf to not have people playing together, because then you don't ever really know for sure, you know, outside of the majors, who who the best player in the world is that week? Scott you've been so gracious with your time. Go back to

your family. My son, I'm late to pick him up also, so okay, Well, at least they didn't at least at least hopefully he didn't fall off the bed and injure himself in the middle, which hopefully we could carefully edit around the part where I I did the poor parents. Yes, yes, well my son's almost seventeen. If he's still he's falling off the bed, then we get issues. But exactly, you didn't wait till you're an old, middle aged guy to

start your family, so presumably exactly he's fine. Well, my best too of your family, and it's kind of you to spend the time with me. I thank you for asking Scott until we meet again twenty five years down the row. Yes, sir, you are the best. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate it all the best. Continued success, man, thank you too. Scott did a great job answering the rapid fire questions. I had about ten more, but I had to go. He clearly had to go. Hopefully his

kids are okay. But man, what a great guy, what a great guest, so good You can see why he is loved by millions. When I tweeted out that he was the guest on this show. I got great response because of Scott's wonderful work on so many platforms, and like I said, I'll be throwing it to him Wednesday night when the Lakers Denver game is over right to Scott. But I literally have not seen him in person for two and a half decades. It's just a crazy aspect

of this business. But thanks so much to Scott, and thanks to you again for listening as well. You can follow us on Twitter at Pash Pod. We are presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Healer River Resorts and Casinos. I'm Dave Pash. Thanks again to Scott Van Pelt and to you for listening to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.