The Dave Pasch Podcast - Quentin Harris

played at Syracuse. I actually did his games at Syracuse and then did his games when he was a member of the Arizona Cardinals. We'll talk about how he got into this business, when he started thinking about getting into being a personnel guy. We'll also discuss his interview with the New York Giants, he was one of the candidates for their general manager position. And then obviously we're going to get into how the trade went down to bring in Hollywood, what he'll bring to the offense in twenty

twenty two. At that point in the draft, is Hollywood going to have more of an impact than anyone that we're going to draft right now? And the answer was yes, So at that point it was an easy call for us. Also Ques thoughts on Trey McBride, the Cardinals second round selection, the two pass rushers they selected in the third round, some of the late round picks, and then also what Quentin thinks about Kyler Murray, his growth and the potential

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Please gamble responsibly. Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next step and here he is Cardinals Vice President Player Personnel, Quentin Harris so Q. I was mentioning in the open that I've known you half my life. I'm gonna be fifty this year, and I've known you twenty five years.

I was calling Syracuse games when you were playing there, and I remember my first year here in two thousand and two was your first year, and I remember seeing you getting onto the plane or I was onto the bus to go to the plane for the first preseason road game, and you were dressed like in a three piece suit because Paul Pascalone to the head coach, always

made the players dress in suits. What do you recall from your first training camp, your first preseason, your first season, because I don't think people remember you played well, you played four years here than you spent a year with Denver. Yes, yes, and you started some games. You played sixteen games I think three different years, so you had a longer career than most in the NFL as a player and then

obviously got into personnel. What do you recall from your first camp, your first NFL experience, Well, the first NFL experience, I could say is when I stepped into the building, and again playing in the Big East, we saw the fast guys, We saw that type of ability. But when I walked in, my eyes popped out of my head when I saw David Boston. I've never seen a physical specimen at the receiver spot. Outside linebacker. Defensive n you see guys like that, but a guy built like that

at the receiver spot. There was a gulp that went down my throat that that was the biggest thing that stuck to me initially of wow, this guy has traps on top of traps. Are all the receivers like this? So for me that was eye opening. But once I got settled in, because again I came in with a huge chip on my shoulder being undrafted, So once that part of wow, these guys are big or fast, but guess what so am I? So once that part settled, and I remember thinking, you know, I belong here and

I'm going to be here. So that's the thing when I initially got here that I can take from my initial experience. When did you start thinking about personnel? Was that something that was always of interest to you or did it happen after you were done playing or was it during your career? A little both. So let me take you back in high school. I was one of those guys that would buy the Lendy's, The Street and Smith The Athlon, all those football magazines the preseason. I

would read them, go through them. So I was always intrigued with the personnel aspect of it. But really it started when Steve mentioned to again, let me rewind a little bit. Steve was an area scout in Syracuse when I was there, So I met Steve a few times because we had a mutual acquaintance my strength and conditioning coach William Hicks with Steve, so I met Steve a few times when he was on his visit. So fast forward,

Steve and I had a great relationship. So the college scouts would come out during training camp and we would talk a little bit, and he was like, Hey, when you're done, you might want to think about personnel. So at that time I wasn't thinking about it until he mentioned it, and I was like, hmm, you know, I can stay in the football world. I love that. This is what I do. This is all I ever wanted

to do. So I would say it started maybe my second year in the NFL thinking about it, and then obviously when I was done, it was an easy transition, went from a locker to an office. You're a vice president. Now you interviewed with the Giants for their general manager position. Yes, you're going to be a GM at some point. I'm assuming that's a goal for you. Yes. What was the interview process like in the experience, Like, what were your takeaways from it and did it help you going through

this process with the Giants. Yeah, first of all, it was I'm very thankful for mister merrimister Tish for interviewing me. But it initially you know, you know what's coming at some point, but when you get the call like hey, we're going to interview you, your mind stars starts rolling. And for me, I really just had the step back because when you when you get that call, you start to think about every scenario, every section of the building

that you're gonna have to know and understand. So I really had to just step back and say, you know what, seventy percent of this stuff I've been doing since I got here in two thousand and eight, So I removed that part of the equation in terms of building, the draft board, free agency, all those things that all those things I didn't focus on as much because I was I'm flewing in so I really just focused on the logistic side of things, you know, things that Mattie Carciola

does and getting a better feel for that. So I was super prepared, I can tell you that much. And it was one of those things where there was no question that stumped me. You know, I had answers for everything. I had a detailed plan for everything, they asked about. And I really walked out that interview not with I don't want to say zero regrets, because I'm sure there's some small things, but I left that that interview feeling

like I would change very little. And even when I got the call, you know, from mister marrisaying they were going in another direction, I still felt really good about the interview process. And for me, it kind of lifts that veil up of what's behind the curtain because you just you just don't know until you experience. You can ask people and talk to people, but you don't know.

So for me, it was going through that process the first time and really understanding and being being comfortable once I got in the seat, because obviously I was a little nervous. It's a you know, a big job that I want. It I really wanted, so I was nervous. But once I went through the process and stepped away, I'm like, Okay, you know, I'm ready for the next one. You know, it's just a little more confidence. I'm ready

for the next one. Because again, you go in so blind because you just don't know what kind of questions you're gonna get, so you try to prepare for everything sure, and that's why that's seventy percent of the football stuff I kind of just put on the back burner because if I can't talk about that, I don't need to be sitting here interviewing for this position. Sure, so that was my approach, but it was as an experience. I'm looking forward to the next next one that comes up.

But um, my biggest takeaway that it's uh, it ended up being more of a conversation. Because you think you're gonna come in and it's gonna be all formal, you're gonna be tight. It was. It was a it was a nice conversation. How much do you think? And we'll get into because I'm sure people listening want to hear about the trade for Hollywood and the draft and your thoughts on the twenty twenty two team, But how much

do you think? And maybe you can tell from being around Steve Obviously the job is, as you said, seventy percent of it is a val talent evaluation putting together a team. But there is the pr aspect, right, Yes, you're a great dude, you're a good person, You're very charismatic. Do you feel like you need to do more interviews, more things? Like this, to put yourself out there so that people see who Quintin Harris is, because that is such a big part of the job, the public perception. Yes,

I think so. In for me, that's a battle that I fight regularly with myself because i'm I'll take you back. I'm from Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania, Northeastern Pennsylvania coal mining region. Everybody puts their head down and they work and you wait for good things to happen. So I think I do agree I probably need to do a little more and put myself out there. But I've never really been like the self promoting type. Even though it may not be self promoting, you know, I just got to get over

that hurdle of just coming in and work and grinding. Um. It is important because people see it. Owners are watching television, owners are you know, online reading. So I think it's important and I gotta understand that. You know, that's another area that despite how well I do in terms of my job, there's also you have to have the presence. You have to be out there, you have to have

you know, be recognizable. So I think that's something that I've been working on, and I know I know Tim and all the guys they're like, hey, Q, don't we do this. I'm like, okay, I'll do it. Yeah, and again I enjoy it, but it's you know, it's part of me. It's like that a little humility aspect of it that I understand, kind of kind of get over. But you know, that's how I was raised. So it's definitely something I'm working on. And it's not that I

don't enjoy it. It's just, you know, we're always taught don't read your press clippings. Just go to work on to the next thing. It's tough because you have a job to you here and you respect Steve Kim who's the GM, and you want to do your job here, but obviously you have other goals. Yes, and I'm around either assistant coaches or people in personnel departments, whether it's the NFL or NBA or even in you know, college sports, and it's it's it's that tight role because your personality

is similar to mine. Just put your head down and work and if you work hard, hopefully good things will happen. You don't need to be the person that's you know, I'm not a first I'm not going to be on first take You know, I'm not going to be going back back and forth with Steve and A. It's just not my personality. I'm gonna go and do a game and I'm gonna it's gonna be about the game. It's not gonna be about me. And I know that you're that you're the same way. Yes, all right, So let's

let's talk about what happened last week. And when the news came down about the acquisition of Hollywood Brown, I think Cardinal fans everywhere, I know there were some people that said, well, look what you're giving up. But I mean, you guys were a playoff team last year. Yes, you're enhancing your roster by adding him. Can you take us through?

And I'm sure there's some things you can't say, but the timeline of kind of how this went down, So the talks were they were light, um previously, you know, a few days previously, light talks and the kind of heat it up and as uh, you know, we did an outstanding job of setting our draft board. Unfortunately, those players that we really covet it started going and knowing you know, when when Hop got hurt, knowing that you know, we're gonna need some depth and gonna need a playmaker.

But how do you do that when financially, you know, these receivers are getting paid. So when we got to close to our pick and we finalized everything, it was a situation. It was like, look, we're getting an outstanding player. Obviously he played with Kyler, gives us some juice in

the vertical passing game. But the biggest thing is when you're talking about paying I believe fifteen million total between the two years, the two million this year and the picking up the option of thirteen million, when you're looking at other guys, because people are like, well, why didn't you target this guy or that guy? Those guys are getting paid and right now, we weren't in position the

really you know, taking on those types of contracts. So at that point in the draft, is Hollywood Brown going to have more of an impact than anyone that we were going to draft right now? And the answer was yes. So at that point it was an easy call for us. Super excited, you know, I know Kyler was like, I didn't even know about it, you know, but it was one of those things that I wanted to keep quiet,

and it happened rapidly as we got closer. I know it's hard probably for you to speak to this because you weren't in Baltimore. But I was surprised is that they made the move given that they need weapons for Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson clearly was surprised based on his tweet. And you know, Hollywood's numbers have been pretty good as you look at their system and then maybe the Cardinal system. How do you think he fits better here? Well, obviously

they're a run first team. They like the play action passed of you know, deep overs, So Hollywood's opportunity. He's gonna have more opportunity here than he did in Baltimore. So I think that's the biggest thing, because you know, even though we do have a solid run game, we're gonna throw the ball around. We're gonna use four wide, five wide at times, so for him to fit in and you know, be excited about opportunity because I think that was part of it too, you know, the opportunity.

If you're a receiver, you want the ball. So I think it was you know, the differences offenses for Hollywood is going to be very good for him. So when you told Kyler what was his see that I don't

know the conversation with Kyler. I wasn't in on that at part of it, but I do know, you know, the conversation that I heard that he's super excited because again, you're getting a teammate and they had big numbers out and know you I remember doing one of their games at Iowa State when they were both there and he

threw like a seventy five yard pass. He you know, Hollywood got behind the defense, and that's I started thinking about that play, like we you know, we've had guys that can do that, but he's a threat every play where you're taking the top off the defense. I mean, you got to worry about him deep every single play. Kyler's not afraid to throw it deep. And now you got everything else opening up underneath. And you got to

remember too. One thing, and I think Rondelle did a nice job, but one thing we've been lacking over the years is that run after catch guy. Now we have two of them, because after the catch, Holly can Hollywood can cut to a bubble screen take it to the house. Rondelle can do the same thing, and that's something that we definitely wanted to improve. Now we have two guys that can do it. We have two guys that can

make miss match, which is in space. So you mentioned that most of the guys that you were thinking about taking were gone. Is there a player that you looked at? You know, now that the trade is over with, you look back and see, Okay, like when Tyler Linderbaum, I mean he was a player that I know the Cardinals liked, a lot of teams liked him. Was there anybody else that you were like? You know, had we not made that move, we might have taken this player at that point.

I think we did like Linderbaum. But I think at that point we wanted an im mediant impact player and that's why Hollywood ended up being that guy, because we did like Linderbaum. He's I mean, he's he form. In my opinion, he was a he's a camp miss center. You know, when it comes to a guy that's going to have a successful career, But we wanted someone who's

going to impact the game immediately. So do you feel like in all your years here that this year, compared to others, was more about enhancement rather than building through the draft? I mean you're always looking at the future, but just looking also what you guys have done in free agency. It's not like you guys are going out and trying to make over a team. Yeah. No, it was definitely I would say this for our draft, the way it ended up shaking out, it ended up really

being more along the lines of best player available. I think we really because there was guys that kind of stuck out that you know, Oh, why did you guys take Trey McBride. We loved them and he was We had a high grade on him and that's why we took him. So I think this is more of a not necessarily was a need based draft, but best player available that ended up being that ended up feeling needs for us. So I think it was obviously want to enhance it, but it wasn't a rebuild. It was just

really a best player available. Tray McBride, you mentioned what do you see his role being in this offense? Is he more similar to Zach Ertz or to Max Williams. He's more si to Max Williams, a little younger, a little more athletic. Again, in this day and age, it's very difficult to get a tight end who can catch the ball and be a receiver as well as running block.

That's why we loved Trey so much, because he's a guy that can line in line and knock people off the ball, or he can flex out and be matched up a versus a safety and you feel good. So that was one thing we were very excited about with Trey. All Right, you your two pass rushers. You took in the third round, Cam Thomas, my J Sanders. Tell me I saw my J this year. Had Cincinnati early in the season. Obviously they had an incredible year and they had a really good defense. He was a player that

stood out. I remember in the game, and maybe his measurables weren't first round, but the guy was making plays. So I'm curious him. And then player that I really don't know much about, Cam Thomas. Tell me about bout those guys. Yeah, so I'll start with Cam since we took him first. But Cam is a from a San Diego state. He's super at athletic. And what you loved about Cam is you loved his interview, You love the intensity, but and you love the way he played the game.

And also with Cam is he showed some ability to put his hand in the ground and play some of the five play some of the outside backer stuff due to his athleticism. So we really loved his motor, his temperament. And again it started more so last year. We wanted to bring in guys who have that leadership ability and Cam was one of those guys. Even though he was a younger guy, he showed the leadership ability and we

love that. Now, Maje, you look at his numbers, you're like, they're kind of a whole hum But if you really study the tape and you really study how disrupt if this guy is and again to your point, didn't have elite measurables. And I think there's a little misinformation out there because he weighed two twenty eight, but he did get sick, lost some weight. He plays at two forty Okay, yeah, he's a he's a two forty, two forty seven type of guy. And last time we spoke he was two

forty two. So he ended up getting sick, losing some weight. He gained the weight back, but Maja, you're getting a guy that is a tempo center. Um plays with his hair on fire, tons of upside. Now he's gonna have to work on finishing rushers because he missed about seven sacks just because he's you know, he plays with that temple in that effort. So there's little details that all these guys need to work on. But specifically, Maja is just going to have to just to slow down a

little bit. And that's always good when you can tell a guy just to slow down just a little bit, as opposed to prodding him and getting him going. So we're super excited about both those guys, both disruptive players. The other guys that is almost a JJ Walt clone in his mind. He loves JJ has the number has the SLeague speaking of Cam Thomas. So we're super excited about these guys. There's always at least one guy drafted rounds four through seven that it ends up being a

perennial Pro bowler, and there's usually multiple. So there was a player that was drafted on Saturday, History says that it's going to be a perennial Pro Bowl player if that player is somebody that you picked, And obviously, I'm sure you think that one of the guys you picked or multiple has a chance. Is there anybody of those guys that were picked late that you're really excited about you really think has a chance? Yeah, I really like Lucida Smith, our guard we took out of Virginia Tech.

This guy is athletic, he's an excellent pooler. He's tough, he's physical, and a lot of times, you know, you watch NFL lineman and you're like, ah, he's tough, he's strong, but he's slow footed. This guy is everything. So he was a steel in my opinion for us. He's one guy that once he gets his opportunity, it's it's gonna be tough to remove him from the seat. And I think you know his temperament. And again when we talk about bringing these A and B football characters guys in,

he's one of those guys. Is you look at the acquisitions overall from the offseason, There's a player that I brought up several times in conversation I've had publicly when people ask me about the team and what the team's doing, and a lot of people said, well, the Cardinals need to draft the corner in the first round. I said, you know, there's a player that the Cardinals got who was with the Vikings, who was a first round pick

two years ago. And Jeff Gladdy. Now I know there were some off the field issues which I believe have been checking care and you guys did your homework on Jeff Lady. Yeah, off field issues have been cleaned up. And again, if you remember back, he's a guy that we loved him to draft as well. Obviously couldn't get him, and we feel like, again that's another steal because you're getting a young first round We had a first round grade on him. We're getting a young player in our building.

And again the depth wise was a concern last year, so I think we addressed that with adding him. But he's a guy. He's a press corner guy and you know VJ likes to play man defense. But also this guy is smart when when we asked him to get in the when we're gonna ask him to get in the zones, he shows the aptitude for that. And again he's another guy that's going to come in, bring his

lunch pill and go to work. All right, last thing on the moves that were made in the offseason, and we can fast forward a little bit to what we think about the fall. Clearly one of the initiatives was, hey, let's keep our core. Zach Ertz, James Connor and Colt McCoy were obviously priorities for you guys, how he played when Kyler was hurt, but also how Kyler looks up to him and the relationship that's there, and ERT's being

as productive as he was, and James Connor. I don't know if anybody could have foreseen what Connor did last year. Maybe you guys did. If you did, you guys are geniuses, because the guy was one of the best players in football last year. Yeah, Canny do it again. Yes, And this is why. It's his skill set and more importantly, how Cliff uses him because people just thought, you know, James as this, you know, tough running downhill player, when in fact, you can move him out to the slot.

Guess what he's gonna do. He's gonna create a mismatch versus the linebacker. And I think that went under the radar. But at the same time, I don't think that a team is going to be able to prepare for all our weapons. So I do believe he's going to have the same success in what he brought to the table. And you know he was actually he was one of our higher rated running backs in that free agency draft two years ago. Out of free agency period two years ago.

So I believe he's gonna be able to replicate it. Part of it his skill set, but the other part, Cliff is a magician when it comes to moving guys around, creating matchups. So now he's he We're excited what he's gonna do. Obviously we're having this conversation in early May that the team is going to change between now in week one, there's gonna be moves. You guys are the way you guys have done things over the years, you've

never done which I love. I love the fact that you guys are always searching and I assume part of your role is you've got to know everybody on every team because if there is a veteran or someone that's cut in camp or before camp, you've got to first of all know their skill set, but know the money and then had that conversation with Steve right, is that a big part of your role. That's a huge part. And really it it started already in terms of when

we talk about building our ready list. So all those free agents that are still on the street, we have all those guys on a ready list, ranked and ready to go. So those are the free agents. Now you touched on guys that are currently on rosters. One thing we always do every year is each player on the active roster is going to get a report and put in on them. So we're going to have an up

to date, accurate grade. So when a guy a team calls and wants to trade a guy or a player gets cut, we have an active grade as an alert. So once a guy, if a guy has a starting level grade and he's cut, that alerts everyone. All right, let's take a look. Let's dig a little deeper. So we're we're always prepared. Everybody has a report, we know

who's out there now. The money thing that's you know, that'll fall in Matt Harris's hand for the most part because we'll bring guys and he's say, hey, this guy may not fit under the cap or whatever the case is. But we're super prepared in terms of our ready list. Adrian Clenn Fox, those guys who kind of had the pro department, Andrew Casking, all those guys do a phenomenal

job of being on top of it. And it's funny because it's it's one of those thankfullest jobs because you spend hours of watching tape making sure these guys, first of all fit what we do. And then second of all, how will we stack them? How do we rank these guys? And you know, we've done a phenomenal job in the

last few years. So as we fast forward to twenty twenty two without knowing exactly what the roster is going to look like, because obviously things are going to happen between now and then, what do you think based on how the season ended, what do you think is the biggest concern for you and the thing you're most excited about. I think the and I think this all the other thirty one teams probably say the same thing is staying healthy.

That's the biggest concern, is staying healthy, because you know, one guy can can derail a season. I do think that if you really look at it, we need to understand that we're going to be hunted when we're winning, and I think we're gaining that mindset of understanding we're going to get Every team's a game. So I think for me, seeing the guys that we're bringing in and just the mental standpoint of understanding what we're gonna get and being able to weather the storm weekend and week out.

So that's something that we're gonna have to work, and I think we are. But the biggest thing I'm excited about is the defense. I'm excited about the pieces we add, the pressure we can generate, the tools from Isaiah to Zavin to how we use Buddha, how we use JT. We have a ton of talent Zach, JJ, all those guys up front, So I'm excited about the defense and

what they're gonna do. I'm curious about Zavin because obviously towards the end of the year he wasn't playing, and sometimes when he was playing, he was in a different role than many saw him. What do you think is in the process of him becoming a more viable option for you guys, what do you think that's gonna take.

I just think reps, just continuing to get better, to continue to see things, and again, as you know, once the season gets going, it things fly by, and I think for Zaven the opportunity wasn't there, whether it was based on who we were gonna who were matched up against. So I think just him getting more reps of just

becoming more comfortable, that's gonna really set him apart. You played with Donovan McNabb for four years, right, It's I know Kyler's different than Donovan obviously, but I mean there are some similarities because they both are pretty good athletes, yes, and can throw it deep down the field. Yes. Is there something about maybe Donovan in the way he played and his moxie and leadership skills that you're seeing from Kyler. So, first of all, when you watch don actually play, there's

a calm about him. He never really looked pressured arousal, and Kyler has that same demeanor in terms of, you know, good play, bad play. He kind of has the same face. You know what he's like, is he happy or is he mad? Or is he But it's all whether he's throwing a touchdown or or or an interception, it's always the same face. And don was like that in terms of the calm demeanor he has um but in terms

of the leadership component of it, Uh, they're different. Don was like the jokester, you know, he wanted to have a good time. Kyler's business like he Kyler gets on the field, we're going we're going to work. You know, we have an objective to win this game, and that's what that's that's how we're going to work. So that that's kind of the difference where Kyler is is really not that don wasn't locked in, because he was, but

the how they handled themselves on the field. I think that would be the difference in the two last question on Kyler, And I've talked to Cliff and Steve about this, and they've talked about this on on this podcast and Adrian as well and Michael bidwell as well, that you're seeing growth from Kyler terms of how he handles himself with his teammates, or handles the huddle or the locker room. What's the next step do you think for Kyler going into year four, which for this whole organization is a

big year because we've seen steps. Each of the last three years made the playoffs, didn't win, but now the expectation is not only to make the playoffs, but get to the super Bowl. We saw it last year, and I think he needs to take that next step forward of bringing everyone else's game up with him. And that's

the great ones. The great ones make the guy who's an average player into a good player, and I think that's what we're seeing in Kyler to see these guys that are good receivers, running backs, offensive lying, good players raise their game up based on how he's playing in his presence. So I think that's the next step for Kyler. All right back to you. If I'm a Cardinal fan, and because again you're all about business and you know you're You're not the guy that's out there trying to

self promote and say, hey look at me. So for people maybe don't know a lot about you, what's something that you would want Cardinal fans to know about yourself? Uh, myself, You're gonna get a humble, hard working person that I am. Quirky. Um. I have a wide range of interest from telescopes to uh, Lord of the Ring books to music. So I'm I'm very reversed. I can fit in any situation. I can. I can have dinner with anyone and feel comfortable. Um, I'm a guy that I fit in everywhere. Tell me

with the telescopes. So what do you mean tell us telescope? Yeah, what do you start stargazing? You? Yeah? I got a Celesti on one fifty telescope the GPS on there, I can type in the coordinates and if I want to see Mars, type in the coordinate coordinates and will automatically do it. Um. I love hiking. I love the outdoors. Um, I'm a bit of a jokester. Some may say, you know so, I just like I enjoy life, like to

have a good time. The big thing with me is, and everybody will tell me, relationships are important to me in terms of work relationships and camaraderie because I believe if you have an awesome work environment, people are gonna work harder, they're gonna be more productive. So that's kind of the vibe I want to get off, give off, and you know that's what we try to build here where not just one department has this you wanted to

permeate through the whole building. Last thing, Q, who were some of your mentors who were either players that you looked up to or coaches or people in personnel that have helped shape who you are who I've had a lot of those. I'm gonna go really my first, like true football mentor, because again in high school you're always the best player, so you know you really don't have a mentor. But coach Pascalone, when I got the Syracuse and when we stepped in that building again as a

true freshman, we reported it was like the military. We had to shave our beards. We had to be clean cut. And then you're like, you know, why do you have all these rules? Why this? Why? Why do I have to wear a suit everywhere? Why? Why? Why? But then you understand he was preparing us to be men. So I have a great appreciation for Coach P and he I learned so much from him about just the business side.

Because all those lessons we learned at Syracuse, we can apply them to any any walk, any in a part of our lives. U I would say Rod Graves has been huge for me. He gave me my first job. Really, you know he uh, He's been a huge mentor for me. We still talked to this day. We talked the other day. Rod has been instrumental in my growth the last few years. When we're talking about taking the next step. Um there, Wow, there's so many people, but I would say the Rod,

Coach P. Obviously Jason Ltte. When I first got here, I was you know again, like I said, I came from a locker to an office and Jason Lytt and myself we started at the same time. So I look that he was my first set of eyes I laid on someone in the personnel side, So a lot of things I do. You know, we're based off of how Jason moved and operated. So Jason Ltte was also another one. Don't bring up Jason's name. He's he's on the bad list right now. He owes me a steak dinner because

he texted during a preseason game. He's like, Hey, if you can somehow I'm watching, If you can somehow get in that Steve Kim and I are are still friends. If you can get that in, I'll buy a steak dinner. And I look at Wolf, I'm like, what does he think? I'm an amateur? So of course, like I tell the producer, Hey, come back, show a shot of the Steven and congratulations to the Buccaneer's Oh Jason light he used to be he the Cardinals gym of the Bucks and he and

Steve are still close. So Jason like right away text like darn it and then h he still hasn't. He still hasn't paid up. What we always say in personnel when we're gonna sign an undrafted free agent a guy to a high deal, until it's in writing, it doesn't matter. Now I think he'll I think he'll do. It's just a matter. I was down there. I did for Westwood when I did their game against the Rams where they lost. But he was a little busy at it. Well, I'm

gonna I'm gonna text them and shame them. Please do I'm I'm definitely gonna do that. I'm I'm gonna shoot him in text and and um, I'll only charge you ten percent from my for my for my you know, it's fair, that's fair. That's what That's what a broadcast agent charges. Sadly, uh is it ten percent? Okay? Yeah, it's a little different for players, right, players are what three four percent? Usually three? And then you'll have these these agents that will come in, Hey, i'll do your

deal for one percent. You know those those types of agents that do it for less. Right, So think you right now, if you're Troy Aikman's agent who just got a lot of money from ESPN, and you're getting ten percent, and maybe that at that dollar figure, you're not getting ten percent, But for for guys like me, that's what that's getting less. I don't know. So there's players without agents, for guys like yourself. Do you know any colleagues without agents?

And how do how does that work? Yeah, there are some. There are some people that don't have agents. Most of the time, an agent helps negotiate. It's not necessarily about getting you the position. It's more about handling the stuff that you don't want to handle. It's you know, doing all the negotiating. And you know, because if I went in there, I would probably just take the first offer because broadcasting is it's it's a lot different than being

a player. Like I worked with Brian Greasy for a long time and it took Brian some time to understand, like, wait a second, if I'm the best, I should be doing X game. And I'm like, this is a different business. The best player doesn't always play. Things are very subjective, you know, usually the cream rises to the crop. But I mean, look, there's only one job. There's only one

Monday night football job. And Brian eventually got the Monday night football but it took I think it takes former players when they get into this and coaches like a while to understand like there's a little bit more politics and more subjective than just now. I'm not saying there's not politics and football. Yeah, well, the same thing when you're talking about some of these higher end jobs sure,

I mean as a GM and coaching. But in terms of as a player though, I mean you made the team as an undrafted player because you're enough to make the team. Yeah, And that's that's one thing. Coaches don't want to get rid of good players, you know, So when you know, you always hear this all the coach you know, didn't like men this, didn't that. Did you really do everything you needed to do in the weight room, in the training room, did you in the meeting room?

Did you really do all those things? So some guys get clouded, and sure it comes to that. So I definitely understand. Well, listen, man, you've been great, and you know I'm a big fan and so I'm a little biased, but I you do such a great job for the team, and I know that the organization really appreciates you. And I also know that at some point you're going to be running an NFL team, So just remember us a little people when you get that gig Q. All that I know is I turn on the TV, I see

and hear you. I don't turn on the TV and see and hear me. That's all I know. You will you will Sunday. Thanks man for doing this. Appreciate you. Thanks, Dave. I appreciate you so as you guys can hear from

that interview. Q first of all, is just a great guy, great personality, great person and obviously knows his job very well, versed in not only the Cardinals, but I just love the fact that he is so up on what's going on with every other team that he basically has to know the roster for every team in the NFL in case a player gets cut or there's a player that, as he mentioned, Jeff Gladney was one of them, a player that they liked in the draft a couple of

years ago that they've kept tabs on him and things didn't work out in Minnesota for Gladney. The Cardinals took a chance on him and they're hopeful he can be a big part of their defense in twenty twenty two.

I love what Quinton said about Hollywood Brown, not just the deep ball, but the bubble screens, how he can play a role similar to Rondel Moore in this offense, and how it enhances the Cardinals offense because as we saw last year, as good as the Cardinals offense was towards the end of the season, the offense wasn't as good, and so at the beginning of the year when they were seven and oz and ten and two, they were

out scoring teams. But towards the end of the year they're actually winning with defense, and his Q said he likes the defense. He's really excited about the defense and what Vans Joseph is going to do with this group. We are presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow us on Twitter at Pash pod.

Thanks for listening to Quentin Harris, Vice President player Personnel on this edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.