The Dave Pasch Podcast - Justin Pugh

left guard. Will he be a center this fall? The fact that Justin's even here is maybe a little bit of an upset. He thought about retiring last year. I lied to everyone last year. Instead, I was gonna be my last one and now I'm going to take it one year at a time and go from there. So I'm happy. I'm glad to be back, I'm healthy, I feel good. We'll get into that and much more, including his thoughts on Kyler Murray, Kyler's growth, and what Kyler

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Please gamble responsibly. Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next step and now our conversation with Cardinal's offensive lineman Justin Pugh. So Justin, let's not bury the lead. You and I both went to Syracuse. I mean, that's the big story here. That's what people really want to hear is about your experience attending what we know fondly is the Harvard of

Central New York. Yeah. I mean it's a lot of pressure on me, especially doing a podcast, knowing that we come from the media, the best media school and in the US, so the pressure is on me as a football player to live up to that standard that you and others have trailblaze. So well, well, I heard your press conference the other day and you handled yourself pretty well. Man. So I don't know if it because you were talking about potentially retiring, So I don't know if broadcasting is

something you've considered it all? Did you consider it when you're in school at all? I considered it for a short time there. I've done a little bit of interning in the real estate world, and I liked that a lot. I've thought about maybe trying to do both, so we'll see. I haven't done the broadcast boot camp or anything like that yet, but doing things like this and getting out there and being in front of people, it's tougher as

an offensive lineman. If I was a quarterback, they just hand me a six figure job and put me on Sunday Night Football. You don't really have to do too much as an offensive lineman. You really got to be good at your job when you're doing it, and it's a lot tougher because you don't have that name recognition. You're right. I've worked with coaches, quarterbacks, currently working with a former defensive lineman, Dusty Dvorchik, who was All American

at Oklahoma, played for the Bears. Worked for a while with Chris Spielman, who obviously played linebacker. So I don't think you have to be somebody that's a quarterback or a coach. Those have traditionally been the best analyst, and obviously the name and the face recognition, so that draws the big buck. But you can still do pretty well

in this business as an offensive life. I think I might be better off behind the scenes, doing real estate, just having some good conversations at a golf course after around and giving my true opinion, because because a lot of times now you gotta watch what you say. I mean, you say one thing and you're canceled in a heartbeat. So I might just keep myself out of the out

of the limelight for a while once I'm done. When you were at Syracuse, Dick McPherson was still alive, the long time head coach there and coach the Patriots for a while. Did you get a chance ever to talk with coach mac a little bit? He came and talked to the team I played with both well, his one grandson, Macki McPherson, who was the starting center while I was there, So that was really my big interaction with the family.

And then Doug Morone, is my head coach, had played under McPherson, so he carried on a lot of those traditions, a lot of those style of coaching points, the hard nose running laps doing updowns before games. Everyone's looking at as funny while we're doing updowns. But meanwhile we go from the worst team in college football my freshman year to the co Biggies champs my last year. So Doug Marone had something figured out. I thought he was gonna try to make his way back up there, but it

wasn't meant to be. So I went to Syracuse and then went back to be their play by play guy. When you were there, Matt Park was the play by play guy. There was a guy in between us, Mark Johnson, who did play by play. The year that the basketball team won the national championship was a year after I got this job, was the Melo Syracuse National Championship. But when I was the play by play guy in football, coach Mac was the analyst, and he would swear on

the air every game, dropping f bombs. But he could get away with it because he's a legends Central New York. I mean they eat that up. You go. You go anywhere in Central New York, you're gonna either have a Dick McPherson parking spot reserved for him when I was there, or be him. It was with those two guys. Any good restaurant you went to, they had this spot right out front. Those guys were legends. They could almost say anything.

It's almost like Charles Barkley now you can get away with He can say whatever he wants and the people are gonna love him. Paul Pasqualoney, who was a longtime coach there, who I think is at Florida now, but he coach in the NFL for a while too. Coach Mac used to go to all the meetings. He just sit in the back and he didn't know how to answer his cell phone at the time. I think Mac was probably in his late seventies, and his phone went off.

He didn't know the ringer was on in the middle of a meeting and Coach P. I don't know if you've heard stories about Coach P. Quentin Harris, who is part of the front office here, played for him and has great stories about just getting yelled and screamed at by Coach P. So he starts yelling and screaming throughout

the auditorium. Who's that? Whose phone is that? And it was Mac and Matt and he was all okay, like it was as soon as he saw that it was Coach mac he started apologizing, Yeah, I was sorry, Yeah, exactly. Speaking of Paul Pasqualoney, George de Leone was a coach for Syracuse for a long time. Offensive line coach coach

in the NFL. Passed away a couple months ago. I don't know if you ever heard about coach Deleone, but he did a really good job with offensive lineman for a long time at both the college and professional level. I never had a chance to interact with them because when I had first gotten there Greg Robinson, who also passed away, I'm pretty sure as as of late. I committed to him my junior year and that staff had came in and kind of replaced Paul Pascaloney coast Leone.

It was kind of a new regime. And then when I committed to him, they all got fired. Doug Marone came in, so there was that gap in Syracuse where it was a little bit different. Daryl Gross came in. We kind of had that USC influence. We were trying to be maybe a little bit too flashy for the central New York and we got back to our roots with morons. I didn't have a chance to really interact

with a lot of those legendary coaches. Will Hicks, who was the strength coach while I was there, was the one person that was the consistent throughout those eras and he helped bridge that gap. And he's still there now. He worked with a lot of the alumni and he bridges a lot of those older players with the newer generation and he's done a great job of doing that. Will Hicks actually my first day with the Cardinals in two thousand and two, I met Steve Kime and Steve's

like we had a mutual front. It was Will Hicks because I think Will was Steve's strength coach at NC State, and that's kind of how I ended up with the Cardinals. So when I was going through free agency, Hicks he called me up and he says, Hey, Steve Kim called me and he's wondering, look type of guy you are. He's like, I put my standard approval on you. I know your work ethic, I know who you are as a man. So him and my guy Jay Glazer were kind of two people that knew Kime and got me

connected and made this place feel like home. Because once I met Kim, it was like talking to myself. We get along real well. Speaking of that. So you had talked recently at a press conference about disappointment with your contract a couple of years ago, things working out now to come back this year. How did that go down? How close were you to retiring when we were you thinking in the middle of last season, Hey, this is going to be it? Or was it something that happened

after the season? Then? How did you start those conversations up with Steve again? Yeah, so I think before last year you know we're going Actually two years ago comes to me, I'm going into my fourth season with the Cardinals. I have no guarantees left on my deal. Our deals aren't like baseball, where it's fully guaranteed. You sometimes have two years of guarantees and three years of guarantees. So going into the fourth year, I didn't have any guarantees left.

COVID had just happened, the cap was going down, and I knew there was gonna be a squeeze. Thirty year old guys who haven't made a Pro Bowl aren't all pros. I mean, I knew I'm gonna be collateral damage at that point. Still, really quality starter can go out there and play good football. There's not many left guards out there that I think are better than me. And com comes to me and he's like, look, you're to take a pay cutter or have to release you. And it's

not like they don't want me here. We would love to have you. It's just that with the cap going down, we have to make some tough decisions and then here's the number we can be at. If you can meet us there, we'll keep you on the roster. So I said to my age and I was like, there's two options here. I mean, either I take the deal or I retire. I'm not playing for another team. And he's like, well, let me just go out and see what else is out there. Everyone else is going through the same things.

It's not like I'm gonna go to another team and all of a sudden the Cardinals having no money because of COVID, but X team is gonna be flushed with cash. So I thought about before last year retiring and I never had thought or question playing football. Like I said in my press content, I was, you know, you get a scholarship, I'm going to school for free. You get yourrafted in the first round. Of course you're gonna play. Cardinals give you a big contract. There's no reason at

any point to question playing football. You really have to question your love when you're when you get a pay cut or they say, hey, you're not one of the top guys to quote unquote top guys anymore, and you're gonna kind of fill a role for this team. We need you to play left car You're you're gonna take a thirty three percent pay cut. There's gonna be a bunch of incentives to even get to that point. And I really had a question, and then I, you know,

am angry. At first. I want to say, screw the Cardinals. I'm gonna go somewhere else. And then you stick back and you're like, these guys changed my life four years ago. I love being here. I love being part of this team. My family didn't get to come to any of those games with COVID the year before, so I didn't get

to say goodbye with them. I didn't think it was gonna be my last game, so I decided to come back and play one more so during the season last year, I thought, you know what, I got to say goodbye of the game. The last game of the season. I had about thirty friends and family out to it and everyone was under the impression the hey, this probably would be it because going into the offseason, I think, again, they're gonna come to me with a deal that I

don't want to take. And it got to a point where I just texted come and I said, Hey, if you want me to play next year, this is the number, this is how it's going to be, and me and him, he's like, all right, i'll call you back tomorrow and he has talked a bit well, and then we got the deal done. So I lied to everyone last year and said it was gonna be my last one, and now I'm gonna take it one year at a time and go from there. So I'm happy. I'm glad to

be back. I'm healthy, I feel good, and that's the main part. If I didn't feel good or couldn't go out there and play my best, because last year I played my best football, and I think going forward, I'm going to continue to get better and better. I've kind of got that veteran savvy going right now, so we'll see. I think it one year at a time. What weight did you play at last year? Like two eighty five to eighty And now we played the Rams the first time we played the Rams. I was two hundred and

seventy eight pounds in that Rams game. So everyone's telling me I'm too skinny right now, and I'm like, I'm four pounds off of the whitest I played at last year, and put my film on. If you think it's a problem, put my film on. And the Cardinals obviously watched the film and they're still paying me. So something. I gotta get the way back up. But there's there's in our offense. We go so fast, and the way I play it

lends itself. I'm a very aggressive player now. I was opposed to sitting back and kind of just being like a garbage can. You talked about Aaron Donald. Somebody has to block Aaron Donald. And in that game, you guys, did you blocked him? He didn't make it. I don't remember if he had any pressures in that game, the first game in LA and then obviously things changed the game here and in the playoffs. What do you think

was different? And I'm sure you've been asked this a ton for not just the offensive line, but the offense in general as the season went along, not just obviously losing DeAndre Hopkins a big deal. But what else happened. Yeah, I mean, obviously Kyler went down, I got hurt. I didn't play in that Monday night game against the Rams. I was still I came back the following week. We

have to be better in the biggest situations. We have to do all the little things right, because that is what loses you those big games, the Green Bay game where you know we're eight and no we're driving down to beat him, and we and we have little mishaps and didn't come down to that last play game. It came down to earlier in the game where we're putson around out there and we fall into a little hole

and have to make this miraculous comeback. When you play in those biggest on those biggest stages, in the most important games, where everything's on the line, you have to execute at the highest level. We were able to get by a lot of times last year just being more talented than everyone we were on the field with. When you get late in the season, guys are dinged up, you're not as healthy as you want to be. It's

the little plays. It's doing the little things right where no one even knows you're supposed to make that block or you're supposed to, you know, make that check, things like that. That's what wins those games. And that's where we have to get better. And if we don't take those steps, it's gonna be the same result. What do you think your role is going to be this year? Because with Rodney Hudson not here, there's been talk that maybe you know, Rodney's retired, he's not coming back. We

don't know for sure. Is your role going to be center or are you gonna have to play both guard and center. I don't know. I've never played center before in my career, but I've seen guys play center late into their careers. Guard is a much more I want to say much more. I mean playing on of line is physical throughout, but guard, with the amount of pulling and trapping and you're one on one more often, Center, mentally is just is so much tougher. And in our offense,

the center makes a lot of the calls. That's why we've prioritize that position every offseason. You see we had a Q Shipley and Mason Cole that went out and got Rodney Hudson. We clearly value that position. So for me, it's like if I'm gonna keep taking pay cuts a guard. Maybe I should move to center and see if I can do that, because if I can play center at a high level, obviously we prioritize that. So for me as a business decision, it might make the most sense

for me to play center. But I'll do whatever's best for the team. I've played guard. Playing guards like riding a bike for me, and you can put me out there and I know what I gotta do, so to get some reps at center and see how that shakes out. It's interesting, it's fun, it makes you break a mental sweat, and I learn a little bit more. Oh maybe better if I want to be a broadcaster, because you gotta learn coverages and do all those things. So at the

very least it's going to help my broadcasting career. So help the listener that doesn't really understand what a center goes through mentally, and that you're learning through minicamp, and I assume will learn even more here between now and training camp. What are some of the differences from a tackle which you've played in the NFL, to guard, which you've played mostly and then being a center mentally mentally, the tackle doesn't is worried about blocking the best pass

rusher on the defense. Like that's why, I mean, everyone's seen the movie The Blindside. Hey, we're gonna put you out there and you're gonna block Vall Miller. You're gonna block Khalil Mack. The guard is a little bit more physical because the tackle on third down earns his money and we're a passing league, so let's not joke about it.

The tackle is the hardest physical position to play on the field, Like any position, they're going backwards by the best athlete on the field is rushing out on full speed. At guard. These guys inside are getting better and better. I mean, Aaron Donald may go down is the best defensive player of all time, and we gotta blockhin. Then we got a pool and block eyes. You have to be able to be versatile movement space, and there's a lot of collisions At guard center. You're getting up and

you're getting everybody aligned. So the guard just relays whatever the center tells him to the tackle, and that's kind of the end of the communication. At center, you're looking at safety rotation, trying to see where they're bringing the pressure from, and working with the quarterback to get everyone on the same page. Once you id the defense and get everyone blocking the right guy, then you have to get the cadence from the quarterback and make sure all

that's going well. The best centers and quarterbacks are constantly changing up their cadence. I mean, you look at Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. He's he's running a masterclass on it. And that's that's the nuance of playing that position that I'm not there yet, I'm, you know, trying to learn now.

But Rodney Hudson and mastered that as well. There's a clip in Tennessee where playing the Titans Week one, Rodney Hudson realizes that they're bringing a zero pressure, changes the mic point and we start working to a different player. We score a touchdown. The little things like that is what you know, goes beyond what you can see on film. You have to be out there and know, like, hey, what scheme are we running? What are you supposed to do?

Oh wait, you saw this coverage switch. It's all about safety rotation and changing a mic point, scoring us a touchdown. So doing things like that, it's what makes the center position so unique and so important. What are the conversations like with Kyler when you're playing center, So he'll come up and he'll give you the play, and then you're iding and getting us on the right page. So Kyler will come up and Hill just give you, Hey, here's a run play to the left. Now you have to see, hey,

is the safety capping the linebacker? When I said capping the linebacker? Is the safety hovering behind the linebacker, which then gives the linebacker an ability to trigger and blitz. Okay, well, he's potentially able to blitz. We have to work to him. As an offensive line. We have to put the offensive blockers on the potential blitzers or rushers from the defense. And so once Kyler gives you the play, uid get it's all on the right page. If they ever out

number hey Kyler, let's check this. Or Kyler will be like, hey, we got too many numbers over here to the left. Let's switch it and run a play to the right. And that's one of those things where you're working together to get the offense and the best play, and the center has to do a good job of helping Kyler, like, hey, let's check that out of this. This is not a good look we're running. We have four blockers and they have five blitzers where we don't have enough. It's just

simple football math. It's even though the Syracuse graduation, we can figure that one out. I'm still figuring out. I didn't go to a Look, I didn't go to class very often at Syracuse. So give me a sense of Kyler's growth in terms of understanding all those things from year one to what you saw last year to maybe some of the things you've noticed through mini camp. Yeah,

it was night and day. I mean, as you come in as a rookie, you're just going off of your skill and your talent and being the number one overall pick. He had a lot of skill and a lot of talent that has gotten him by since he started playing football when he was young. He's always been more talented

than every other guy in the football field. And he was able to kind of play a little backyard We had some backyard football moments where things break down, he rolls out and makes a miraculous throw, and we still do that from time to time. It's taking those easy play that the defense is given to you. Okay, we have the safety's rolled over here. I know we're getting

nickel pressure. Let's just dump it out to Rondel Moore and let him go get five or six yards as opposed to scrambling around, running for forty yards, running for your dear life and making this miraculous throw. Those are the types of things he's gotten better and better at, and it's gonna take taking that next step, integrating cadence, integrating audibles and getting us in to the best plays. Those are the things that'll get us to that next level, and I'll get us over the hump and I'll win

us those big games. I saw a tweet from you recently where you were at I think I don't know if it was top golf, it was somewhere where you were using the clubs that Kyler gave you. Guys ready gave every offensive line in a set of golf clubs, which it's in ten years. It is the best gift I've ever gotten from a quarterback. And Eli Manning gave some great stuff, but that was the best offensive line

gus I've seen. Okay, because there are a lot of people that say, well, Kyler, we're not seeing the leadership. Kylie needs to grow, he needs to mature. What are some of the things that we don't see that. You guys see with Kyler and where he's grown in that regard. Yeah, I mean, first you have to look at it. We have probably the most veteran offensive line in the NFL. I mean across the board. DJ Humphries in year eight, I'm in year ten, Ronnie Hudson's year twelve, Kelvin Beasham's

year eleven. We had maxcar Cstar last year, who was year eight or nine. Kyler is in his third year in the NFL. I mean he's going against a stack deck. Like the offensive line, we're the salty veterans. We're gonna be the ones kind of taking that role. And when I was in New York, Eli Manning was not a vocal leader. He was the first one in, he was the last one out, and he did everything right. Kyler comes in, he does everything, He does everything we asked

him to do. Like everyone's getting all bet out of shape. He's missing voluntary workouts. Through voluntary workouts, we weren't here like last year with COVID, we didn't have the voluntary the year before we didn't have voluntary workouts. There's a finite time for a player with his skill set to get paid. There's a business to football. Everyone wants to

forget about the business of football and everyone. You look at what golf has going on right now, and everyone everyone forgets about the business of football, and fans don't want to hear about it. And I get it, you want to see us play on Sundays. But at the same time, if Kyler were to go out there and not get paid, and then go out there and have an injury and then never get paid, he sacrificed that a finite period of time to maximize his capital. And I'll never blame a guy for doing it. I mean,

gods are gonna get pissed. He's gonna have to deal with the backlash. I was here four years ago and we didn't have Kyler Murray. Remember that team. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks come through the store. Justin in twenty one years, we had the worst offense and I think NFL history. So when Kyler got here, light went back on, irrelevance came back on. We started playing primetime games again. We've been in the playoffs, We've been relevant.

Our fan base has something to look forward to every year. There's something to be said about that Now obviously there's you know, people don't like the way you look. Look at Eli Manning, the Eli Manning face that's plastered everywhere. No matter what happens, you're gonna have issues. If someone came and followed you around with a microscope, and I saw Odell Beckham deal with this in New York City.

Everywhere you go you have a camera on you, You're gonna do something that somebody's gonna have something negative to say, especially in the world we live in now. No matter what you do, they're gonna be a negative connotation associated with So. Yes, does Kyler have a MOPy attitude on the sidelines from time to time? Yeah, so do I, but they don't have a camera on me when I'm sitting there angry after we have a turnover we lose

a game. So that's the one thing I'll never fall a guy for trying to cash in on all their hard work. It's interesting you what you've said is what Zechert said on this podcast, what JJ Watt said. Adrian Wilson we had on in the middle of the last season, the same thing, and Adrian said, Look, I wasn't always pleasant. I was grumpy a lot I want to win. When we walked down the hallway, Adrian doesn't even say hi

to some people. Adrian's still got that mean look on his face, like you don't even want to talk to him. I'm scared. He's bigger than I am. He is, he still is. So the guy's like forty yeah, I know he's a monster. He's yoked. One more thing on Kyler and you mentioned not being there for voluntary He was here for mini camp and he doesn't have his contract. Like, to me, that says a lot about Kyler as a leader, like he understands he's gonna be here, they're gonna get

something done, Like that's the goal. Everybody's made that clear. Obviously Kyler is going to be a Cardinal for a long time. But the fact that he's been here what he didn't have to be and he doesn't have his contract, especially after some things that happened in the offseason, which I'm guessing in some ways he probably regrets with how things were handled from his camp. You don't have to answer that because it's really none of your business, but I just feel like that says something to me that

he was here. Most people didn't think he was going to be here, at least outside this building. We always run into the ambression that he was going to be here. Obviously he may not be as happy as he would be if he had the contract, but he's been here, which just lets you know the two sides are getting closer. If it was if it was farther apart and they weren't seeing eye to eye and then things weren't close, I don't think he would be here. He's here. He wants to win games. At the end of the day.

If we win games, things take care of themselves. And showing that we're working towards that I think. I think it's only a matter of time for this thing gets done. Hopefully it's done before camp, so we just have, you know, everything in the rear view and we're going to winning games at that point. What are some of the differences that you've seen with Cliff and how he's grown in his role and how the offense has changed or I mean, the run game clearly is a lot different now than

it was year one. What are some of the areas you've seen Cliff grow Because to me, Cliff has always come off as, first of all, if you don't like Cliff Kingsbury, it's your problem. Like Cliff gets along with everybody's like the nicest guys are is and he's very

smart and he's very humble. And the offense looks a lot different than what he had at Texas Tech, and I think a lot of people didn't And I did games for him when he was at Texas Tech, and I mean the offense is in some ways the same, but a lot of it's different, and a lot of people didn't see him adapting, but he has and he's winning games and he's in the playoffs. Yeah. I think what Cliff does well is he doesn't micro manage every little situation. He puts people in positions to do their jobs.

Cliff loves getting people open, he loves coming up with the past game concepts. And then he has Coach Kugler, our offensive line coach, do a lot of the run game stuff. So it's like, hey, coach Kugler, you've been part of very successful rushing attacks. Bring some of that knowledge. Now sometimes they get into whatever stuff and Cliff obviously is the head coach. But I think that's the one thing that I love about Cliff. If he puts you

in a position to do a job. He expects you to do your job, and that's something that has shined through. I think in our first year we were still kind of fine tune in some things. What do we do well every year? An offensive line or an offense the running backs, you figure out what's the best scheme for you, and that's something that changes every year. With Cliff's ability to adjust, that's his biggest strength. He's never gonna pigeonhole you into one thing and just kept saying, hey, we're

gonna keep running this play untill it works. All Right, that doesn't work, Let's do this and and find creative ways to get our ball carriers the ball in space. And that's something that he does better than than anybody. All Right. The running back room. With losing Chase Edmonds, he got you know, James Connor obviously coming back, had

a Pro Bowl season. You got Darryl Williams. How do you see that position shaking out in terms of its effectiveness and any changes that you see there with that group. I think James kind of keeps that that same role and he will go out there be short yardage, he'll he mean, I mean, he was getting out in the passing game, doing screens, doing all those things. He was unbelievable. I think a guy to look for is you know, Benjamin.

He looked great in mini camps so far. He's probably been our best outside zone running back that we've had on the roster, even last year, and he had to learn how to pass protect and that was really the only thing. You can't trust the guy to be in the game if you can't trust him to pick up in pass protection. And he's gone night and day from last year to this year. So I think he's gonna have a big jump. The new guy from Kansas City, I don't know him too well, so we'll learn more.

He's a big guy. I think he'll be able to go downhill and help us out there. And then Jonathan Ward's another guy. It's always run hard for us, So I'm excited for the running back room. Unique guys that are gonna run hard, hit the hole and keep it going. And I think we've got a bunch of guys that can do that. Before we get you out of here. What's it like being a husband. You're recently married April correct, So a couple of months ago, Yeah, a few months ago.

It's it's not much has changed, to be honest with you. We were living together for a few years out here in Arizona. Before that, she was getting ready to kill me if I didn't propose. But we had a beautiful wedding down in Cancoo, Mexico. All of our friends, family, had some of the teammates down, so it was it was a great time. And now she's she's really happy. So hopefully we got some kids on the way soon. We got two dogs we're dealing with right now, so

that's enough work for us at the moment. But hopefully after the season, once things settled back down, we'll be expecting father, so well hopeful. And you are in Arizona year round, correct? I'm in Arizona year round? Yeah, I do. I work out in the off seasons and I go do a little internship out of real estate firm here in town. So it's a nice little one two punch. So I don't know if we're gonna be going anywhere anywhere anytime soon, but eventually we'll be down in Florida.

That's where most of my family is. So going from the football field to real estate, it seems like it would be night and day in terms of the preparation and the mindset. Am I wrong or is it similar? It's very similar. It's it's got the same camaraderie. I mean you have like you have the architect, then you have the GC, the general contractor. Then you have the person that's meeting and getting all the entitlements in the zoning, and all these people have to work together. It's just

like a football team. If one guy goes out and does his job. The architect designed this amazing building, but you can't build it for the right price, and you can't get the zoning done, or you can't get the financing right. It all falls apart. So you got the one quarterback to kind of the rainmaker. The guy from our company's name is Jeff. He's the best, and he kind of puts us in position to make He caused the play, and then we all go out there and

do our little jobs. I'm trying to figure out where I fit in there. I don't know if it's a left guard or center, but we'll see. We'll see how Maybe it's a wide receiver exactly exactly. Well, I hope you play football for the Cardinals for a long time. If you don't. If this is it and you decide to go into real estate, I think you're missing out. Man.

You do pretty well with this And I don't know if it's just your comfort level, because I've heard you over the years handle yourself very well with the media. I don't know if you've just always been comfortable. But you got good energy. Man. I think you could do this for a living if you wanted to. We'll see, we'll see. Maybe we'll co host a podcast and we'll see how that goes. All right, man, we can pitch that, we'll find we'll find us somebody to spend some money

on the right a check. Appreciate the time, Justin, Thanks man, awesome take care man. Justin was good. You could tell he's so comfortable with the microphone. Had a lot of great things to say about his career, about Kyler Murray and just the way he was able to break down the differences between being a guard in a center and then communicate to you guys. Hopefully you were able to follow him as I was. I thought he did a

really good job of breaking everything down. Great stuff on his Syracuse career as well, and also congrats again to Justin on being a husband and potentially a father in the future. You can follow us on Twitter at Pash Pod. We are presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Hila River Hotels

and Casinos. We've had a lot of great guests since we debuted the Dave Pash Podcast last summer, going back to Kurt Warner, Cliff Kingsbury, Steve Kime, Vance, Joseph Buddha Baker, JJ Watt, zach Ertz, and now Justin Pugh. We're gonna take a little bit of a break, but when training camp starts in the end of July, well we will have more guests on the Dave Pash Podcast, and not

just Cardinals guests. We had JJ Reddick and Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Terrico and James Rode and Frank Caliendo on this podcast, and we promised to bring you some guests outside of the Cardinals building and also outside of football as well. Thanks again to Justin Pugh, Thanks to you for listening to another edition of the Day Pash Podcast.