The Dave Pasch Podcast - J.J. Watt

and future Hall of Famer. We talk a ton about the twenty twenty one season as well as the twenty twenty two Arizona Cardinal season, but we also get into JJ's background growing up an elite hockey player, being a Milwaukee Bucks fan, what JJ would like to do after football, also all of his philanthropy efforts, as well as a time this offseason, JJ went to a bar just to

hang out with sports fans in Arizona. Boys very close there for about two hours and just had some beer, hung out, took photos with them, sign autographs wherever they wanted, but also got to just got to hang and just talk with a few of them and got to play a full round of Golden Tea, which was great. We'll discuss what the next step is for Kyler Murray, JJ's thoughts on some of the offseason moves by the Cardinals

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problem call one eight hundred. Next step. All right, here's our guest for this edition of the Dave Pash Podcast, j J Watt. So JJ. First of all, I'm sure Cardinal fans want to know how's your health because obviously you had an incredibly significant injury last year that remarkably you came back from the play in the postseason. You're here now for OTAs and workouts. How do you feel? I feel great. I feel great. Obviously I was able to come back for that. Haven't had any issues whatsoever

and fully normally functioning. How significant really was that injury because a lot of people at the time were saying it's shoulder, and then there was reports that it's a lot more ye shoulder. No, it was pretty bad. Thankful it's behind me for sure, but it was pretty bad. Initially they were only supposed to open up one big scar and then do like a scope on the back, and then when I woke up, there were two huge

scars and two scope holes. So there was a little more, a little more than they expected, and it was pretty much a total loss in there. But they put it back together extremely well, and I'm very thankful they have great doctors and great people helped me to get back,

and a little bit of luck as well. How did you stay motivated during that time because I remember you saying early on in the process that you wanted to be back for the playoffs and that was your goal, and athletes say that all the time and sometimes it's not realistic, and a lot of people thought it wasn't realistic for you. So how did you stay motivated and persistent to make sure that you got back for that game? Yeah, I mean when you're in the building every day, it's easy.

I mean you see the guys, you see them work, and you watch them practice and go to meetings, and you want to be a part of it as a competitor, as an athlete, you want to be a part of that, and you see it in front of you every day and not every day is easy. I mean it's extremely difficult. Some days are depressing, some days are tough, some days the rehab doesn't go as well as you'd hope it would.

And those guys seeing them every day and them coming through and tapping you up and wishing you the best every day and just chatting with your shooting the breeze, it just makes you want to get back out there and once it makes you want to work that much harder, makes you want to do everything the right way so you can get back on that field and help them out. So all that than this podcast, which I do for the Cardinals and in the offseason, it's not regular. My

season ended last week. My last game was Game six of Philly Miami, so I'm technically I don't have to do another game until preseason. Like for me, when my season's over, I watch the NBA playoffs, but it's not like I'm sitting around watching baseball. I'm kind of get away from sports and do other things. When the Cardinal season ended, what were your thoughts? What did you do? Did you want to get away from it? Did you want to go back and watch the tape and talk

to guys about it? Or did you just want to escape, you want to work. I think, especially the way it ended, and especially for myself having been injured up until that last game and then coming back, I mean I wanted to get right back to work. I mean I was unable to do anything for the second half of the season, so I was ready to immediately get back to work and put that loss behind us and do whatever we

could to be ready for the next season. But then you also, you do try and find your spaces to get away, try and find your time to relax, reconnect with family, get as much time with the wife as I can. And we took a couple of trips here and there, but for the most part, I mean I was back in with Buddy the next day. We just wanted to We just want to get back to work. Speaking of the NBA Playoffs, the Bucks, so I did Game three Boston Milwaukee, and I don't know if you

remember that game. That was a game Horford, who was on his hand. Yeah, I thought after that Milwaukee's gonna win the series. Obviously they didn't win the series. It could beat pretty baddling in Game seven. I know you're a Bucks fan. Peewaukee, is what west of the City Milwaukee. What was your reaction to Game seven. I mean, it was a rough weekend for me. It was a rough weekend for me. I had Chelsea Liverpool on Saturday, Chelsea took the Allen Pek's and then I had the Bucks. Obviously.

I mean, it's tough when you got a guy like Milton out for the whole series and Jannie is trying to do everything in his power to put the team on his back the whole series, and he was incredible, but it's just kind of inevitable that at some point it's he can't keep doing it the whole time. And and then on Sunday had the Suns and it was rough as well. So it was pretty tough sports weekend

for me overall. But at sports, I mean, that's the beauty of sport, you know, Like you go on Twitter after the games, and I saw somebody put up this thing of Yannis and it was saying, like the Bucks last seven years with the honest and it was like first round playoff exit, second round playoff exit, first round playoff exit, Eastern Conference Finals, NBA Champions first round playoff exit, and they they were they were listing these things like

it was a bad thing. And I was thinking to myself, there's an NBA champion like you literally have in that list NBA champion at the way I mean, and you're just like we're just all of a sudden, just breezing past that, Like it's like this guy's had a failure of a career, Like it's it's just funny to me in today's world, how it's so we're just trying to find ways on people and it's just we we we were so quick to do that and not nearly as quick to lift people up and to give them the

praise that they deserve. And so it's just it's always funny for me to watch that type of stuff. So more on Yannis, because I remember the first time I met you, and I'm sure you don't remember because you've met thousands of broadcasters and reporters over the years, but it was two thousand nine and then two thousand and ten,

which was your last year at Wisconsin. It was really when you were taken off in ten, and I was working at the time with Chris Spielman and Bob Greasy, and I remember even Chris when I met you, looked at you like Wow, that's a big dude. And Jannis is one of those guys like you and you're in that category. I don't think people realize how big you are. And I don't think people realize like what Jannis looks

like when you see him in person, it's different. Are there any professional athletes and maybe you just stick with NFL where like when you first see a guy that maybe you didn't know very well or you didn't see him in pads, you when you see him, you're like, man, that dude's a lot bigger than I thought. I don't know too many in the NFL. I think of most in the NFL have been about what I thought. But I mean I met Yeaman when I was in Houston, and I mean that, Yeah, it just blows you away.

Like we went out to lunch and watching him sit in a chair at a table like is mind boggling. It's you're trying the whole time we were eating, I was just trying to wrap my head around and like his life. I was just trying to think about how he fits into cars and how he buys clothes and all these things. So, um, I think NBA definitely is like that as well, Like when you go sit courtside of the game and you're truly up there and you're

seeing the guys, and it's pretty incredible even us. I mean, I'm a pretty big guy, but you watch those guys and they're seven foot and they're doing things that are unbelievable. So you have a lot of respect for that. In the NFL, I'm no, I can't. I can't really think of one guy that I was like, Oh man, that guy's gigantic. That's because you dwarf most guys, So I get it. It's funny because y'all, what you know, he's not just tall, he's thick, like his lower body's thick.

And Jeff Van Gundy's a buddy of mine, and Jeff coach him. It's hilarious back when Jeff was coaching him. And I assume you know Jeff from Houston because he's a huge Texan fan, and it was like having and Costello with with Jeff and yea, yeah, he's well proportioned. He's not. It's not like he's just tall and lanky. He is. His body looks like it fits his height, and it's I mean, I just I can't figure out where he buys his clothes and how he goes about

his daily life. I don't know if people realize you were a great hockey player growing up. Do you still watch Stanley Cup playoffs? Yeah? Yeah, I admittedly don't tune in too heavily until the playoffs, but the playoffs. I was talking to my wife last night about it. The Stanley Cup playoffs are my favorite playoffs and all sports

to watch. Just everything about it is so intense. And obviously last night you had a couple of games and you had the Rangers Penguins go, it's overtime, and it's game seven, overtime, winner takes all, and just those moments where it's one goal wins it, and you know that there's gonna be the elation of winning, and there's gonna be the devastation of losing, and it's you just you can't beat that. Were you on a traveling team growing up? Yeah? Yeah,

I played on a team. Yeah, I played on a trip a team that played all over Wisconsin, Canada, Minnesota, Michigan. And then I also played on another team that went over to Germany and played in Germany and a couple of tournaments over there. So yeah, it was it was pretty cool. Can you stopped playing because of football? No, I stopped playing. It was just extremely expensive. We were a middle class family and I was fortunate to be

able to do it for a while. But three boys playing on traveling teams are our parents kind of said, we can't afford anymore. If you want to play on the local local team, you can, but we can't afford to be on the travel teams anymore, and so we kind of turned our attention to the other sports. Did you know about the tradition of Wisconsin hockey like when you went there? Yeah, because I grew up in Madison and I was I went to football and basketball games

growing up. I never went to hockey games. Yeah, no, I have it literally might still be somewhere in a box somewhere, but like in my childhood bedroom growing up, I had we like when I was probably somewhere eight to ten years old, we would go skate with the Badgers like they have like a skate you could skate with the Badgers, and we went with them and I got all their autographs on their team picture and it was hanging up on my wall for shoot probably until

like five years ago. So it was yeah, no, I knew all about it. The Coal Center the interest, Like, I think hockey has the best introductions in all of sports. I think that they do the best job with their audio visual in terms of the intros and the music and the announcers and shutting off all the lights and everything. I think it's incredible. So I was always attracted to that. And the Coal Center does a really good job with their presentation as well, so I love going to games

there when I was in college. I'm sure a lot of people are enjoying this conversation, but they're they probably feel like we're burying the lead here and not talking about the team. So let's let's talk about First of all, I guess your thoughts on the off season so far and what you think of the moves that the Cardinals have made, whether it's free agency, the trade with Hollywood and the draft. Yeah, I mean I obviously paid attention to it a little bit, but I also just control it.

I can control and do my job right to have Hollywood. And I saw him the day that he signed and or the day that he got traded or however however, and all went down, but he was in very quickly after his trade and got a chance to meet with him and looking forward to him very very fast. It'll be great far offense, open things up even more. Can never have too many weapons on that side of the ball. And then the Draft. I mean, we'll see how it

all plays out. You never know, you know, with the draft, it's people love it, people hate it, people nobody knows, nobody knows, and we all hope it turns out incredible. So looking forward to seeing these guys work, looking forward to see how they go about their business, and helping

them in any way I can. So I was doing a lot of interviews leading up to the draft and during the offseason locally nationally, people asking about the Cardinals and a lot of people saying, well, they're not doing anything. And obviously a lot has changed since then, the Hollywood Trade being one of the moves that was made. But also just in general, you guys were seven and oh and ten and two. It's not like there needed to be a rebuild. So my question to you is how

close do you feel this group is? Because I'm you know, Adrian Wilson's been on this pod, Steve Cliff, Quinn, Harris, and everybody seems to think like you guys are close. You could feel twenty two and contend for a championship. Yeah, I mean wouldn't be much of a point in playing if we didn't think we could make it happen. You know, I'm looking forward to the opportunity. I'm looking forward to

getting back out there with the group. I mean, we started out seven and oh last year, and unfortunately it didn't end the way that we wanted it too. But that feeling and that the way that we were rolling, in the way that we were going about things, there's no reason that that shouldn't have continued. And there's no reason that we can't make that happen again and continue

it and sustain it. As you look at the room and you think about the possibilities, do you see some similarities to some of the teams you're on in Houston that won the division. I mean, I have bigger aspirations than I've ever had in my own career. I mean I've obviously won division titles and things like that, but i want to win the super Bowl. I mean that's the goal. So I'm done with any small goals. I'm

done with any moral victories or anything like that. I mean I'm here for one goal and one goal only, and that's to win a trophy. So that's what I'm working towards, and I think we have a good group who's capable of doing that, and it's just a matter of putting it all together and doing it consistently week after week and making sure that we put in all the work. And as you know, the quarterback position is the one that's most scrutinized, obviously, and you played with

some really good quarterbacks in Houston. You played with a great quarterback, and you played with some quarterbacks that you know, frankly, weren't very good, and you guys still were able to win. Kyler obviously has an elite skill set and he clearly has grown since his rookie year before you got here. What do you think's the next step for him? I mean, I think that just playing it up. He's done it. He's played at extremely high level. I think it's just

obviously we need to finish out of season better. I think that's but that's not just him, that's on all of us. I think that it's being able to do it take us to where we need to go from a playoff standpoint, and like I said, to go win a Super Bowl. And every year in the league, you get better, you mature, you have you learn the game, you play differently year to year because you have more knowledge based, you have more experience, You're you're mature and wiser.

So I'm looking forward to seeing his progress and looking forward to seeing the step that he takes this season. How involved are you in his life in terms of having conversations, whether it's in person or via text, you know, because a lot of times you have, you know, the offenses on one side of locker and the defense on the other end, there's not much conversation going on even you know, a way from football. But I know, just based on your history, you're a guy that you know

you're invested in your teammates. So I'm just curious that relationship with Kyler. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's there. I mean we tex text message and FaceTime and things like that. I mean we're not we're not having dinner every single night, but we're definitely talking all the time.

I mean, that's the nature of the team. You understand the leadership of the team, and you understand that the quarterback is such a vital role to the team, and any way that I can support, any way that I can help and try and make his job easier is what I'm here to do. I know it's maybe a hard question answer because you were hurt for a good part of the year, so you weren't out there every

week with a lot of the guys. But who were some of the young guys on defense that stood out to you last year that you're really high on here going forward? Yeah, I'm I'm I'm just I'm looking forward to seeing them all. I mean, I think that we've got a lot of a lot of guys. I think Marco's got a lot of potential. I think Byron obviously played extremely well. I mean when I look around, I try and when you say young guys, they're most of the room is young in my eyes, so I look

at everybody. I'm looking forward to seeing the progress. I mean, you look forward to seeing what's Avin is able to do with the bigger role and with a full off season, an actual offseason program, and Isaiah having a chance to have an off season program and being able to have that year to grow and mature and learn. And then on the D line, you got a bunch of young guys who you're looking to flourish and take that next step and see what they can do. So it's exciting.

I'm looking forward to it, and then obviously the draft picks and we'll see what they can do. You're rare and that I mean you were a hit right away. Not many guys come in and have the kind of impact that you did, winning multiple Defensive Player of the Year awards early on in your career. I'm curious, what's the key for guys like Xavin Isaiah, the younger guys that you know have flashes moments where things are great, but getting consistently good. What's the key for those guys,

do you think? I think it's all about time you put in, and I think it's about repetition and just consistency. I think that the more time that you're able to commit to the job and that you're able to learn and grow, and the more time that you have to learn the playbook and the plays and see as many looks as possible, whether it's walk throughs, whether it's practice, whether it's offseason program, training camp, whatever it may be, and being able to do those things over and over

and over again. That's when you really get good. I think that having an offseason program is going to help him a lot, because we haven't had one true offseason program for a few years, especially since they've been in the league. And then it's just going out there and flying around and playing football. You know, at some point, this game comes down to making plays. It comes down to being on the field and just making plays. And I think that you're gonna make mistakes. Guys are gonna

make mistakes. I make mistakes all the time, but I think that you have to make those mistakes one hundred miles an hour, and you have to make them with an intent and a focus to be trying to make plays. I'd rather a guy be doing everything in his power to make a play and screw up that way than be thinking and inside of his head and screw up because he's too slow. So they got to go out there play and when you do make those mistakes, you got to learn from them. But it's all about repetition

and consistency and work. When the schedule came out, was there anything that stood out to you? I know for me, the bye week being in December. Now, as a player, maybe you don't care you want to go every week. I don't know, um. I mean, the first couple of things you look at as a player is obviously who you're playing first, and then you look at the Thursday

night game and the bye week. Those are the two, the two big ones that you do look at, and it is a little bit later, but I mean you also can't control it, so there's not much you can do about it. The Thursday night game being at home is definitely better than being on the road. I mean, Thursday night games are what they are, but when you don't have to travel, it does make it easier on

the body for sure. But other than that, I mean, we knew who's we knew all seventeen teams we're gonna play, and we're gonna play them and I look forward to kicking it off. How often do you talk with your brothers? How often did you talked to t J at the end of the season when he was going for the record? We talked to each other many times throughout the day.

I mean, we have a group chat that has probably I don't know, fifty to one hundred text messages per day in it, and FaceTime with him multiple times a week. Both of them, and we're extremely close, extremely close, and so I talked to him at length and during that run and during the end of the season and everything, and it was especially it was special to watch, and I still think that he got it. I think that there was a I still don't understand why he didn't

get credit for that second sack in that game. But hell of are unbelievable. You know. One of the things that I love about you and what you bring to a team is you you immediately become an ambassador for the team and for the city that you're living in. And one of the things this offseason that I don't know that I've ever seen a professional athlete do before is just decide, Hey, I'm going to go to a bar and just hang out with the fans and have some beers. Like how did that come about? And what

was the turnout? Like how long did you stay? It was good? It was great. Came about on Twitter. I don't even remember exactly how it started, but somehow we got on the topic of dive bars and I started thinking that I've been in Arizona for a year but didn't really get a chance to hang out with the fans because of COVID and we had all the rules in place, so I couldn't It wasn't much you could do last offseason in terms of meeting the fans, so I wanted to do something where I could at least

get out there and see the fans. And so we went to a dive bar and it was great. It was actually great. You know. The one thing that I asked that the fans was if they just be cool, like just I mean, I want to do this, I want it to be great, but just if you're cool, it's going to be great. And to their credit, everybody

was cool. Everybody was very cool. I was there for about two hours and just had some beer, hung out, took photos with them, sign autographs whatever they wanted, but also got to just hang got to hang and just talk with a few of them, and got to play a full round of Golden Tea, which was great. And the people were they were really cool. They just kind of let me hang and chill, but they also got their chances they interact and say hello and hear stories,

and it was a it was a great experience. It's it's something that I would do again. You're very philanthropic. You've always been what are some of the things you have going on right now? I assume you've got things going on in multiple states. Yeah, well, I was just

talking to my mom about the other day. We're trying to find because we've already donated to I believe it's either eight or ten states here or in Arizona, and we're we're looking at other schools in the area to try and continue to work with now that that I'm here on the ground, and I also want to go out and visit some of those schools and things like that.

When I left Houston, we did a half million dollar project with the Boys and Girls Club where we created basically digital labs for the kids to work in so that they could keep up with the technology of today's world and trying to make sure that they have all the tools necessary to stay up with today's society. And we're also working on a fundraiser for this fall, just

trying to trying to continue. We've wanted to do my charity softball game for the last couple of years, but with COVID and the uncertainty of it, we haven't been able to plan it because it takes almost a full year to plan every time and with the uncertainty, we haven't been able to, but I'd like to do that, especially with how many great minor league stadiums are down here. It's a great opportunity. But yeah, just trying to find other ways that down the community and try and help.

Was that DK's camp the other day and got a chance to meet some of the kids in the area. So I'm enjoying it. I love it out here that people have been great. I'm very fortunate and my wife and I are really really enjoying it down here. I know you're focused on playing football, You're very good in the setting, and you've always been good with the media.

I'm curious as you look at Tom Brady getting four hundred million dollars Romo Akeman, who now is a colleague of mine at ESPN, Like, what do you think about television as a future for you when you've done playing football. If offered four hundred million dollars, I would take it. I would take it. I'd talk about whatever they wanted me to talk about, and I would do it with

a large smile on my face. So that's that's I've always said, you know, early in my career, I always said I didn't want to be on I didn't want to be an analyst. I didn't want to be on NFL shows because I there's an aspect to it where you have to speak on other people's jobs when you

don't know exactly what their assignment was. And I've always that was one of my biggest caveats, was that you know, whether it was me playing game and a guy was ripping on me for going in the wrong gap, and I'm like, well, you don't know that's that was the gap I was supposed to be in, and things like that. I'd never liked that aspect of it, because you're at some point you are going to have to guess and assume that you know what that person's supposed to do.

But the further along I've gotten into it, and the more that obviously someday it's going to come to an end, you realize that you love the game and you want to be around the game, and you do want to to have that aspect of it, so you try and try and find ways to do it in a more positive light. And it's definitely a consideration that it's come to the forefront more for me than it did earlier in my career, and I think it's something that I could be successful at and have have fun with. So

we'll see. I mean, it's it's still down the road a bit, but I'm it's a possibility. Who knows. What about college football? Do you still like college football? Do you watch much college football or no? I enjoy watching it. I do enjoy college football. I love the atmosphere. I think college football for me is much more about the fan base. It's about the culture. It's about the traditions in the history. I mean one of my like, when I'm done, I definitely want to go to different college

football towns and experience a game day atmosphere there. I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to live the dream that I once had to just RV a full season from game day to game day the best cities, but I do want to go experience in the swamp in Florida, see what that's like, Death Valley and LSU. I've been to Kyle Field at Texas A and M Obviously, I've been to Wisconsin, ohiuse state some of these places I would like to go in Nebraska. Haven't been to

a game in Nebraska. My brothers said, it's an unbelievable atmosphere. Haven't been up to Penn State to see what that's like, and there's there's just so many different atmospheres that I would love to experience in the tailgating and the food and just everything about it. Obviously, college football has changed recently here with the landscape and the way that it is going about its business, but I still I still think there's a real special aspect to it. I like

the road trip with JJ. You could probably do like an ESPN plus like four hundred million. That's the price. Take four hundred million, will make it happen. ESPN. Just give me a call. You gotta go to a night game at LSU. There is nothing better than a night game at LAS. So I had back it was shoot, it must have been seven or eight years ago now, when I was down in Houston. This one of the people I was working with endorsement wise. It was our bye week and they said, Hey, we're going to take

a I have a jet over to LSU. It's a night game LSU Alabama. And they were like one two at the time, and it was our bye week and I was dead, and I was like I'm so tired. I just want to relax and like hang out here with my family. But LSU Alabama, how do I pass this up? And I ultimately decide to pass it up just because like season, I wasn't going to mess up

my season and I just wanted that rest time. But that's the one time where I look back and I'm like, maybe I should have just gone, because I hear those of briefs pecial amazing and Nebraska is interesting. And I know at that time when you were at Wisconsin, they were still in the Big twelve, so you didn't play there. But if you play Nebraska as a visiting player, they will cheer, and some of my brothers they will applaud you.

They're very nice. Yeah, that's that's what I hear. It. It sounds like they show up for warmups, like it's a pack stadium for warmups. And when I grew up, I was watching I always used to watch our tunnel walk,

like I always going back. I would watch the YouTube videos of their tunnel walk, and I thought it was the coolest tunnel walk ever, and like that was one of those things that as an athlete, as a high school kid, I was like Can you imagine that feeling of just walking out underneath the stadium of one hundred thousand people in their place. You're just they're just waiting for you to enter the arena. I just I thought

that was so cool. We got to get at you out here in a couple minutes, so too quick questions on this year's team, based on the start last year and even the start two years ago, how important is training camp and early in the season for you guys in terms of building what you want to build and then also carrying it over throughout the year and being consistent so we don't have that fall off at the

end of the season. Yeah, I mean I think that obviously, the consistency and the carrying it through to the late half of the season is the important aspect right now. Where you have to start fast. I mean, you want to do exactly what we did last year. You want to start seven to O and you want to but we need to keep it rolling. So it's extremely important to us to get off to that good start to do well early in the season. But just as important is our health and our ability to maintain as we go,

And I think that's obviously what we're trying to improve. Lastly, for you, between now and the start of training camp, what's your schedule, like, what do you do to get ready for the season? Training? I mean training every day. We've got six day a week training schedule, and um, we're an OTAs obviously right now. We're starting up the actual practices next week. But we've been together doing our what we're allowed to do right now, and then we'll go through the Ota pase where we actually get to

play a little football, which is nice. And then after that it's about a month of training. My brother's getting married, so I'm looking forward to that. Um, we'll have that wedding to attend, but other than that, it's really just training, trying to get a couple more weekends in here there, spend time with my wife and go see my brothers and see my family and try and make sure that I get a chance to see everybody and hang out as much as I can, because once the season comes

it becomes much more difficult. Get some more golf rounds in, try and improve the golf game before that goes for six months, you know, even though it's already so it doesn't matter. But yeah, it's really just all about training. I mean, my entire offseason scope is to create the best athlete I possibly can speed, strength, flexibility, stability, and then hand it to the coaching staff and say here, you use it how you want to and go out

there and play good football. Well. As somebody who was part of the nineteen ninety Wisconsin State championship golf team, I can tell you that the golf game always goes to crap no matter what I shot it to us all, I shot sub ninety for the third time in my life yesterday, and I was extremely pleased with it. So I'm riding a high right now and I'm considering retirement from golf. I don't play anymore. So I just I couldn't do it. It got too stressful. Man. It's hard

to get it's hard to be good and get bad. Yeah, I know I could. I could, I could understand. I look forward to hopefully experiencing that someday. Well, thanks man for the time. I really appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate it. Great to catch up with JJ, as you can tell, just a great guy, so easy to talk to. Whether it's about the Cardinals and what happened last year,

what to look forward to in twenty twenty two. Also JJ's philanthropy efforts, what possibly could be his career post playing football for the Arizona Cardinals, what he thinks about the next step for Kyler Murray and the defense. What JJ did growing up playing hockey, and also his days at Wisconsin as well as his time as a Bucks fan and his thoughts on Janis and what happened with the Bucks here in the playoffs, as well as the Suns. Always enjoyed talking with JJ. Hopefully Cardinal fans got a

great kick out of that conversation. We're presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can also follow us on Twitter at pash pot. I'm Dave Pash. Thanks again to JJ Watt. You've been listening to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. Four four