The Dave Pasch Podcast - Bobby Hurley

Team back in ninety two. We'll also talk about a recent documentary called The Redeemed Team and some of his takeaways from that, and we'll also get into the Sun Devils and what to expect from Arizona State in twenty twenty two twenty three. We have a pretty good chip on our shoulder. A number of guys have a lot to prove. I like our team. Frankie Collins has been a really good addition. Point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus

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Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next step. Okay, time for our conversation with Arizona State men's basketball head coach Bobby Hurley. So I appreciate you, Bobb becoming at studio to do this. I've had to use up like all my favors to this podcast, so thank you for coming in and doing it in person. I appreciate him. So, since this is technically a football podcast, we're not going to spend a ton of time on football, but I'm assuming growing up in Jersey. It was either Giants or Jets.

But you're a Yankee fan, So does that mean Giants because Giants and Yankees are connected or no. I took a lot of heat in New Jersey because I was I was a Cowboy fan, So yeah, really good in the late seventies early eighties. My dad got me hooked and he was a big Cowboy fan as well, so

it was great. The early nineties were awesome. I actually one of my great memories was prior to our NBA training camp starting, I was still in in New Jersey training working out, and it was it was Monday night football Giants Stadium to open the season, and it was

Cowboys Giants and it was Dion Sanders first game. So I had my I had my Emmett Smith jersey on and you know, people yelling at me because I was still, you know, at the time, an NBA guy, so people recognize who I was, and uh so, just maneuvering around

that stadium was really interesting. But I think Dion had a pick six for a touchdown and like a punt return for a touchdown, and I somehow finagled my way into a box that was right next to Jerry Jones, So it was it was like a dream come true that that night and watching the Cowboys win thirty five. You and Dion are both coaches now. He's like an ascending coach. He's going to get one of these big jobs.

I mean, he's obviously knows the game and playing the cornerback position, you're out there and you're seeing the whole field, and defensively, I'm sure he's got great concepts, but he's more such a dynamic personality. You would imagine from a recruiting standpoint that it would be a home run to to have him as your coach. Do you still follow

the Cowboys now? I assume you probably don't have a ton of time with recruiting and now the camp started and season starting soon to watch football, but not a whole lot. I mean, my son Bobby is now a Cowboy fan also, so he kind of fills me in on what's what's happening. And I don't. I think we lost Week one, but have played well at times. I think the records decent, the defense is pretty good apparently. Yes, Michael Parsons is a jest. Yeah, we need to get

you some gear. We need to like load up the Hurley family or some Cardinals gear, so we can convert you here before before the season's over. Did you play football at all growing up? Obviously, your dad was a legendary Hall of Fame high school basketball coach, so you were playing basketball, you and your brother Danny, but football at all while you were young. My dad played football and high school and broke his leg and had a

bad experience with it, so he steered us away. We would we would do some neighborhood stuff like back in the day, like in the city something. We would go play a different neighborhood. We'd have like five or six guys go play, and it was kind of for like bragging rights in the city. So I was pretty fast, so I was like I was just running fly patterns and stuff and or post like a deep post. But

I didn't want to get hit. So, well, man, you were a great athlete and you've got this intensity, so I got to imagine you had the intensity to play football if you really wanted to. Yeah, I mean I just again, it was not something that you know, I mean, we would play. We'd play touch football in the street and stuff, and so we always played, but nothing ever formal for me in that way. So I got a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, but the seasons starting soon, so let's talk a little

bit about the Devils. How's camp going and your thoughts on what you've got in terms of your roster. Well, I think, uh, you know, we have a pretty good chip on our shoulder. A number of guys have a lot to prove, starting right at the top. You know, we've had two two tough years, so you know, we're very hungry, very motivated. We've been practicing extremely hard, you know. I I like our team. Frankie Collins has been a really good addition point guard transfer from Michigan. Marcus Bagley

has been healthy. He had a really good practice today. So I think there are some positives. And we have good size on the front court, which I haven't always had here, and so you know, I think we could, you know, control the paint pretty well well. So I think there are a lot of positives that I'm seeing and still some things to work out. We're about a week out right now, so we're looking forward to it.

I know you're a non excuse guy, and I said this many times the last couple of years on the air doing games for ESPN that you guys were impacted more by COVID I think than anybody COVID and injuries, because twenty twenty, you guys are headed for the NCAA Tournament for the third straight year. Would have been the first time in almost sixty years at Arizona State COVID hits injuries hit. Has it been hard to recover from

that to a degree? And again, we have been playing so well the year they canceled the season initially, like down the stretch in the Pac twelve, within the last two weeks the regular season, we're playing for maybe a chance to win the whole conference, you know, and going on the road to UCLA and USC and then hit the Pac twelve tournament, we're the three seed, and just that tournament never happened, And so it leaves the doubt and wondering what could have been from that year because

I think of all my team I've had here, that team was probably playing the best late in the season. So disappointing not to get that. And then yeah, it was a struggle with some things in COVID. Other schools were impacted by it as well, just with injuries and stoppages, and but it's been clear saleing so far, knock on wood, and we're excited that. You know, it's a little bit in the rear view mirror. Now you mentioned Bagley being back.

How big is that because this kid, obviously his brother was an incredible college player, number two pick in the draft, and it seemed like he himself was heading in that direction to be a very high draft pick before the injuries. Yeah, very unfortunate timing injuries or he you know, he'd be in the NBA right now, as you touched on. But I think Marcus has been through a lot. There's been you know a lot of struggle with the injuries, and

it's been frustrating for him. He's a great kid, he's a hard worker, and you know, we're just excited for him to hopefully have an opportunity to show what he could do and uh and complete a season and and help us win. I think a lot of guys that have of NBA in their future sometimes could look past the present and not be as invested. But he, you know, he loves Arizona State. You know, his grandfather was one of the legends, Joe Caldwell, and as a little kid.

He would always attend a issue games, so it's in his blood and and you know he wants nothing more to have a great season. I knew that about Joe Caldwell. Doug Tamar always has it in his notes. But if you didn't know it, you would by working with Bill Walton, because that's all Bill talks about. It's five times a game. Like if you're playing Walton Bingo at home, you can cross off the Michael Crow, Bobby Hurley and Joe Caldwell squares by the ten minute mark, no doubt. It's yeah.

I mean, I love Bill. It was great. I saw him at Pack Towel Media briefly, and uh, it's always fun and it's always so entertaining and unexpected you know what what might be said? And uh, you know, I think the game speaks for itself and it's entertaining. But what you guys do and the back and forth I think is it's classic might be said or what might be done. You were there witnessing. So the cupcake you

guys beat. I think it was Washington there in the top ten, and you guys beat him might have even been like number one in the country. And he ate the he ate the candle, the lit candle, and then you came over, did an interview with it, and he did it again for you. I still have the picture the look on your face of you're in awe of it. But do you think because you yourself, I mean, you're still the all time assist leader in college basketball history. I mean you're one of the great players in the

history of college basketball. So is Bill Do you think that you have a deeper appreciation for him because of how good you were as a player? I mean, I think because we kind of me we accomplished different things, not exactly the same, but playing in those final fours and championships, that's the like kind of a common bond, even though we didn't cross over in the same area. So I always make sure the players understand who he is when he's at our games and what he meant

to the game of basketball. He's he's a legend and he loves I mean, he's I don't know if anyone prepares as hard as he does for his telecasts. And I don't think people realize that. You know, Doug Tamara knows how much time he spends talking about our players. You know, he wants to visit with them pre practice. You know, he really makes it makes us feel special. You know, when he's in the gym, he does enjoy

the players. I mean, he's got sheets of paper everywhere, and it is he has notes upon notes about a player. And one of our jobs is we are supposed to humanize the student athlete. And he does a great job of that because he's asking the players about their background, about their their families, and he gets the stories on the air, and he does promote Arizona State. We know he loves Michael Crowe. We're gonna hear that. But Anderson, I mean, so he is fully invested in making it

a commercial for the programs he's calling the game. And I agree, and I think there should be more humanization of it and of the players and their stories and human interests. And you know, I'm sure there are people that love the the tacticians that the xs and oh guys that do the games. But Bill, I think is a combination of both. So I mentioned that you're still the all time assist leader in the NCAA, that that record has been there for thirty years. Kareem Abdul Jabbar

scoring record is going down this year. In the next month. Lebron James. I just did a game the other night and we talked about it a lot. It was one of it was the lost to Denver last week for Lebron. But that's a record that stood for thirty eight years and it's going down. Your record stood for thirty years. I don't know that it's ever going to be eclipsed because not enough guys stay what do you think? That's

how I always say it. Really, I mean, I know there are guys like Chris Paul that stuck around for two years and you know, I could really pass. I took pride in passing the basketball. It was it was the one skill that I loved beyond any other to make that dynamic pass, no look and showcase you know, unselfishness and uh and the vision that I had out there. And I like to be liked by my teammates. So you know, if you make a good pass and you set them up for a shot, then you're usually you know,

well liked in the locker room. So but yeah, no doubt it's it's gonna be tough to catch it. And I think it's also all the NSA tournament games that I participated in as a player. We were getting to the Final four three straight years, so it's just you're getting a lot of games compiled there. You're the second duke a lump that I've had on this podcast. I had JJ Reddick on last year. I just worked with

JJ last week. Really like working him. He's great. I don't know how much you've seen him on TV, but he's really he's outstanding. He's really I mean, he could do this for a long time and be excellent for a long time. He had some great Coach K stories about Chavlick Randolph basically getting ripped by Kah. I don't is there anything, I mean, it's been thirty years, but I'm sure you have indelible moments that you can recall about Coach K. Anything that stands out to you above

the others. Well, there's probably a couple. I think the one was more when we just defeated you and LV and they were They beat us the year before by thirty points my freshman year in a championship game, just humiliated in front of twenty million people, and now we're back in the same spot about to play them. They're undefeated, they're number one in the country and we're big underdogs in that game, and we go out and play the game of our lives and you know, a near perfect game.

And I just remember, you know, the moments afterwards and feeling like incredible, and then going to media with coach and just he and I and saying, did we just do that? You know, because he like really motivated us that whole week. He was like, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna be talking up UNLV, how good they are, how unbeatable they are, but we're going to kick their ass,

you know, on Saturday night. And really, like I get chills thinking about like the type of motivational tactics he used that week and getting us ready to play and win that game. So that one was a special one, and I think another one would be the Dream Team week when I was selected one of eight players to go scrimmage against the original Dream Team, and it was myself, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Jamal Mashburn, Alan Euston, Chris Webber. I mean, we had a squad and we were real

nervous to play that game. The first scrimmage. I just remember that that bus rolling up and there was hundreds of people screaming for Jordan and Magic and all those guys, and then we pull up in like a yellow school bus and all cares where they are, and so we're the Dream Team is going through their routine, and I'm saying to myself, I'm real nervous, man. I'm like, maybe these guys, they've won so much, they're not gonna go that hard today. The first day, and they were going hard.

I was like, the ball was just popping, everyone was talking. It looked like they had played together for like ten years. So now I'm even more nervous. They gave me like two minutes to warm up, and then we got to play the Dream Team, and I remember just turning it

loose and I had some steals, some assists, layups. Everything was clicking, and I remember I think I drove in and lay the ball and we went up twelve, and Chuck the alley called the time out, and I just looked over at Coach k and he just he looked like he always was in control. And I gave him a look and he was like he almost looked at me, like why can't you play this good when you're with me? Um? But but that's like how I felt like, Wow, like I just impressed Coach k That's pretty cool. So and

there was a story you've told before. Maybe maybe you can go a little bit deeper here on your teammate Christian Layter, who wasn't on your team, he's on the Dream Team and Magic got mad at him. Is that is that what happened? Like you beat him? Yeah, I wasn't, Dave. I wasn't going to share that. It is part of

what I just talked about. It was, Um, we had went on a big run and and uh, you know, Christian and I had always you know, butted head some and he, you know, he was hard on me, and uh he could be an ass sometimes to play with, but but in a in a way that we always pushed each other like and challenged each other and stuff. So it was probably good, but you didn't always feel that way in the moment. So him being hard on me,

I had a little bit of payback. I came off a high ball screen going to my left hand and Christian was guarding the screener and his job is to step out and make sure I just can't turn the corner and go to the basket. He stepped out briefly, but not long enough for Magic to get back in front of me. So as soon as he left, I just darted right down the lane and laid the ball

in and Chuck Daly called that time out. I looked over a coach k and and then but the many time Magic was tearing Christian the pieces, it was like, hey, you rookie, you step out, you know, and it was just it was crazy. And I had never seen anybody like talk to Christian like that, so it was it was a little in a sick way inside it it felt good, Hey, it's the bully meeting somebody a little

bit bigger, right, you know, with a bigger rep. And then he's a guy that you know, Magic is not a guy that you say anything too, so he just had to take it. Yeah, was there anybody particular that you were in awe of? Do you remember like walking and be like, oh my goodness, that's so and so. I mean you again, you were a great player, and you were top ten pick shortly after that, But was there anybody that you were like man or when you played the game or the practice and you were done, like, wow,

that guy's a lot better than I thought. Good question, well, Jordan had my attention a lot like just I was always looking where he is. I had the ball out of my hands. I was always wondering what passed He's going to try and steal and go dunk it. So I was always trying to like think about where he was on the floor. I had to guard him one possession and he just he said, mouse in the house, let's go get me the ball on the block and he kind of did that that patented fadeaway jump shot

over me. That was a memorable one. I mean, I don't know. The guys were really good, I mean, really down to earth, asked them questions. You know, my brother Dan had me on a mission to get some cards signed, you know which trading cards, which you know, those guys were great again about doing that, so it was pretty cool. David Robinson, man, he was a guy that was so good, a light on his feet. I don't know how he

blocked the shot of mine one time. I thought I had to lay up and this guy, I don't know where he came from, and the ball was like in the third row. Scottie Pippen. It's another one. I realized I was going to be in trouble if he was guarding me in the NBA, because he laid off me about three feet and with his wingspan as Billy to jump, he just blocked my jump shot. And then he was laying far enough off me I couldn't go buy him,

So I basically couldn't do anything with him. Speaking of well, first of all, before we get to the NBA, in your time in the NBA, have you watched the Redeem Team documentary on Netflix yet? Have you seen it? I have, Yes.

I thought it was phenomenal. And the thing that stood out to me about well two things was Kobe and how that maybe changed players viewpoint of Kobe, because when Kobe unfortunately passed, you had a lot of players talk about how they used to pick his brain and how helpful Kobe was to them, where before that it seemed like he was kind of standoffish from those guys. That

stood out to me. And then the other was the command the coach k had of that group, considering he's a college coach with the greatest players in the world and all future Hall of famers. Yeah, I just think, you know, again, that was a great documentary, well done. I think a great tribute to Kobe and and just uh you know how it was portrayed, and just seeing him jump over to scores table to save a loose ball and what he did with Pau Gasol in that

first game and with something man runs him over. Yeah, he tells the guys, I'm gonna run him over. It's like one of his best friends. I mean I had chills when I saw that. I mean that was big time. You know his story when everyone went out in Vegas and he's he's going down to the workout room at five thirty when everyone's rolling in and the impact that that had. So I thought there were a lot of things that I really gravitated to that I could even use to talk to my players because all my guys

like idolized Kobe and they watched it. So it was great. But but Coach k was always brilliant, you know with his messaging. You know, I think that he spends a lot of time just making sure he could find ways, you know, to motivate his guys. So have you been able to talk through that with some of your players and what's their reaction been to some of the things that they saw and now try to implement themselves. Yeah, I mean we just I mentioned a few of those examples.

You know, talked about sacrifice a lot. You know, on a good team, you have to sacrifice. And a guy like Dwayne Wade, who's playing probably one of the best players in the NBA's coming up the bench and he handled that fine. So I think there's a lot of

good lessons that you could learn. And just seeing like guys like Kobe just the willingness to do the little things and the dirty work, and talking about guarding Genobley and you know when he's maybe one of the great scores of all time, but he took it personal to try and shut him down in the game they needed him to guard Manu. So there's a lot of things

that you could talk to your guys about. Coach k Retires will go down as one of the greatest coaches in the history of sports, one of the most successful coaches in the history of sports. Can you talk about the challenges that John Shire faces? Now, I mean you played there, you know what it's like. It's it's probably the toughest place to play maybe in sports for an opponent.

Because of the success and because of the proximity to the fans, what do you think the challenges are for John trying to keep that thing going because a lot of times people say, you don't want to be the guy that takes the job after the guy. Yeah, you know, but John, obviously he's in a great spot getting that job, which is one of the best jobs in college basketball. Yeah. Well, I've been an assistant for three years before I became a head coach, and there's when you slide one seat over,

it's a big difference. You know, you're you're completely in charge of many more decisions instantly throughout the course of the game. So there'll be a learning curve there. But you know, he's young, and you know he's been through the wars with Coach k he sat next to him, he's picked his brain. He's you know, he's got great energy, so you know, and the recruiting has been very stable. You know, it's not like they've dropped off in terms

of getting the top talent. So that's definitely gonna help. You mentioned being an assistant. You started coaching just a little bit over a decade ago, and you know, obviously we'll get into a little bit. You know, what happened with your NBA career but there was that long period of time where you weren't coaching. I want to touch on that as well. But what finally clicked in terms of, you know, I think I want to do this because

obviously you've done very well as a head coach. Well, I mean, it's something that I never knew I would take basketball as far as I took it, I always, you know, my self esteem as a basketball player wasn't great, Like I always didn't think I was good enough and continued to push myself and never thought that I would

even get to the NBA. So coaching was always something that I knew that I would want to go in that direction because my dad was a long time high school coach forty five years and in the Hall of Fame as one of two high school coaches. So I was around the game and that way my whole life, and sat in those rooms with him after a bad loss when he was steaming, and you know, I just saw how much he wanted to learn the game and invested time in doing it and watching film and all

the stuff he did. So I knew that it was kind of my destiny to want to do that. But with the NBA not going away, I had wanted to with my career just kind of had a bad taste in my mouth. I had the car accident that I dealt with, and I was a little burnt out from basketball, so I think I needed a little bit of a breather.

But deep down, like every March madness, I like I was saying, Wow, I want to be coaching in the NSA Tournament, and or in October I'm like wow, like I should be coaching, and then I would be sidetracked with other business stuff that I was doing. And but certainly it was it was always itching at me to want to do it. You mentioned the car accident, which I know you've talked about probably more than you want to over the last thirty years, happening in your rookie season,

very early on in your rookie season. Do you think if that didn't happen, your career would have been longer, or do you think because of kind of what you said earlier, you lacked some self confidence that maybe it wasn't going in the direction ultimately that you had hoped. Regardless of that, well, I mean I think I was leading all of all rookies would assist when it happened you know, I was starting, but I wasn't setting the world on fire. I was struggling from the field shooting it.

I think we were still in the process of building and putting pieces together there. I don't think it was ready to be a winning situation. I was adjusting to that, which was very tough. I went from hardly ever losing any games to being, you know, one of the worst teams in the NBA. So when it did happen, knocked me back. It's hard to prepare for anything like that. It was, you know, a len the recovery. I think, you know, I had a partial term my ACL which

didn't help. And I think the biggest injury though was, you know, I should have had a seat belt on. I didn't have the belt on and was ejected from the vehicle and so the impact of landing, you know, did quite a bit of damage to my left shoulder at some nerve damage in there. So just the my arm, my left arm really didn't fire the same. I became more of a right hand dominic guy. So there were some things that came out of there that I just

tried to battle through. But we're not you know, ideal in terms of trying to be an elite athlete at that level. And I don't want to dismiss it all what you're saying, because obviously there was a serious situation, but you touched on something about I want to get your take on this for somebody here like Kyler Murray who won championships in high school, pretty successful, winning Heisman Trophy at Oklahoma and struggling to win the team, struggling

right now, made the playoffs last year. But you know, because you've been there, somebody that won championships and then you're trying to figure out how to deal sometimes with guys that maybe aren't on your level talent wise, and

trying to build a winner. How difficult. I mean, you've done it at Arizona statement, there's a great example of you doing in your coaching career, taking a program that kind of was hovering around occasionally being on the bubble too again without COVID three straight years in the NSA Tournament for first time in sixty years. I just think you've got to be stubborn, and you can never be satisfied or accept losing, and it's just got to destroy

you inside. And I think the great competitors really you know if they say they hate to lose more than they love to win, and it's just it eats away at them. So you know, as long as you have that going in your belly, then then you're going to figure out a way to get the job done. So after your NBA career, before you got into coaching, you were doing horse breeding. How involved were you were you racing horses, Like, did you know everything there was to know about it or were you just kind of a

casual observer. Well, it started for me back in high school occasionally. You know, my mom worked, she was a teacher assistant. My dad was a probation officer and a basketball coach. So I had babysitter, and babysitter took Bobby to the track, you know, which I don't know is the greatest place to be taken. But um so I saw the horses. I didn't understand what was going on. You know, he was you know, he was betting, uh,

you know, on the races and stuff and stuff. So I had a little bit of a knowledge of it at that point. I had a lawyer friend of mine that was a thoroughbred owner and he was he sponsored my ProAm team when I played in the NBA in the in the Jersey Shore League and we were called the Alan Hurst Barber's. Um. So you play for the team and you get a haircut, you know eventually, you know, once every couple of weeks. That was my my deal with that team. It was actually the last game I

ever played in my life. Was was that game? I tore my my ACL fiddle last time and had to hang it up. But that was nineteen ninety eight nine. Um So anyway, uh uh. Brian already had owned several horses. He brought me to the track. He had this new one that he loved, and and I was getting ready to play my first NBA season and he had me go to the workout. And you know, the horse looked fine.

It was running fast. But they're all out there running and I don't really know the difference between which is so um he said, do you want to invest? And it was twenty thousand dollars I think, and I had the check ready, and then at the last minute, I said, look, Brian, I don't really I need to concentrate on basketball and I don't really know what's going on, so I'm going to take a pass on this and ended up that horse. He invited me to watch her run and like this

huge race. It was a big purse like a year later. So kind of filed that away and um, as my basketball wind it down, I got more involved. I did more research on it, and uh, it became a way to substitute like the competitiveness that I had in basketball, and kind of dedicated towards that. And they, you know, trying to find something new to invest my time in. Doing a few more quick ones and we'll get you out of here, I know. He get filmed to watch

in a season to get ready for. In nineteen ninety six, you were in a movie called Blue Chips, which I think was the first time that there were that many athletes together other than Space Jam right, which wasn't you know it was animated and they've redone it since. Well what do you remember about that? I think you were playing for Indiana for Bob Knight in the movie. Yeah, well a duke guy playing for Bob Knight. Yeah. I

was nervous about that because he's you know. And again when I when I got there for the shoot, it was all live footage, so we just played Shack and Penny's team and they just they just shot raw footage. So I didn't have to act, luckily because I got no no skills there um. But he had a way. Bobby Knight just had really a way of about him, just presence about him. You just felt like a little

bit of intimidation just being around him. So I really I had everything real basic and fundamental chess pass, bounce pass, none of the over the head or behind the back. I just put that all to bed. And but there was one that was one story. It was pretty funny. They take all the live footage and there's only one stage shot at the end, and everyone wants to get out of there and leave and go eat or whatever, and so the director comes over and it's the lab

play there. They're getting that orchestrated and they throw it the lob to Shack and he dunks it and then they win and they go nuts and they store them the court and everything. So we're in there and it takes like fifteen twenty minutes to get the camera set up in the right position, get the fans where he wanted them, and the whole thing. So the director then comes back in the huddle and he's like, all right,

we're ready for you guys now. So as we're leaving the huddle to go back out, Bobby Knight grabs a couple of guys and he says, grab Shack. Don't let him get it the lab. So they run the play and and and I forget Penny's thrown the lab to Shack and and the ball just sails out of bounds because something we just grabbed Shack and they're like cut, cut, you know, and h Then they had to reset all the cameras again and everything and get the shot figured out.

So that was pretty funny, you know. I actually worked some games with Bob Knight when he worked for ESPN, and I really enjoyed working He was actually really good to me. And it's funny because he put his arm around me during an on camera and I other than the Bill games, that's the most my phone has blown up like Bob Knight, like you're you're being initiated into the club. When Bob Knight puts his arm, I thought he might hurt me first, but it was a gentle.

It was a gentle uh arm. I'm guessing Blue Chips is better than Batman's versus Superman. Dawn of Justice. I was in that. I don't know if you've seen it. Oh, I haven't seen that, so it's not good. Um, the Zack Snyder cut, which is a movie that he wanted to make. Ye, it's so if you if you get the movie, there's Zack Snyder cut. We're in that football scene.

It's again I didn't have to act because I'm a sportscaster, but we we introduced the Ben Affleck Batman like the It's like between Superman getting in trouble for something that maybe he did and they think maybe he's a bad guy to now introducing Ben Affleck. There's a football game that's going on and we're announcing it. But don't waste your time. I'm gonna go look for it now. Much more important things, I think to watch. Last thing, how do you think you've grown in your time at Arizona

State eight years now as a as a head coach? Well, I mean I think, uh, I think the last two years have taught you a lot of lessons. They were very frustrating and hard to live through. I think being a little more tolerant, a little you know, a little bit more forgiving, you know, on myself, And I think Uh, that's been a plus. I think I'm showing a little more patients, uh, towards the guys I'm coaching, and and uh I think I've I only had one time technical

last year. It was it was a big one. But uh so I'm doing better I think with the officials or trying and I don't know. I mean, I I like our team this year. I think I've delegated a little more. I think I've been too much of a control I got to control everything, and I've given more to Jermaine Kimbro for us defensively and giving him more of responsibility my associate head coach, and that's freed me up to focus in on our offense and special situations

and and just the overall field of the game. With having to feel like you're in charge of everything. Well, I always enjoy covering your team. So you're a class act and I love watching you guys play. I'm hopeful that you guys get back to where you were finally through the injuries and everything and get back to where you guys were a few years ago. I know we have you guys a bunches here, so look forward to seeing you in the season. Same here, Dave, thank you,

thanks man, appreciate you. A lot of subjects covered there with Bobby Hurley, along with his time as an NBA player and playing for Mike Shashevsky at Duke and going up against the Dream Team. Some interesting stuff on what he did after his playing days before he got into coaching. It's also good to catch up about the Arizona State

Sun Devil basketball team. If you think about the injuries and COVID what happened to Arizona State, they would have been in the NCAA Tournament for the third straight year, which would have been historic for the Sun Devils. Hopefully they're back, and it sounds like based on what Bobby was saying about the roster and the health of Bagley, there's a chance Arizona State is among the contenders in

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