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Hoop, you had a great weekend, everybody. Gang's all here in the home studio ready to go. A lot to recap, and we get ready for a national title game coming up tonight. Although I'm listening to ESPN promoting this and it's David versus Goliath. Huh, excuse me? Notre Dame a David. I don't think so. Now you might look at the point spread and say eight eight and a half. But Notre Dame one of the more storied, maybe the most storied franchise of all time in college football history, going

Here.

I think it was nice, it was fun, and everybody grabbed it, ran with it and speculated. But it feels like maybe that's been tempered just a little bit. So we'll keep an eye on what could happen this week now with Ben Jonson and Aaron Glenn, the coordinators with the Lions available to do interviews, have a poll question, play of the day, stat of the day, all of

The Chiefs do just enough.

And you have to do just a little bit more, and you didn't do that. So I don't want to hear the complaining from the Texans. You had a great season, you had an odd season. You came back and you had impressive football there at the end of the season, But you guys lost the game. You had your opportunities in the red zone, don't miss kicks. I mean, there's a lot of blame that goes around. Let's not start with the officiating, start with yourself. The commander's shocking the Lions.

Couldn't do it.

And the Lions, you know, they did their part from the standpoint of they put up points and they had yardage, but you had turnovers.

And that's the big difference.

You know.

We saw this with Jared Goff, and we saw this with Sam Darnold, like you're like, okay, all right, hey, these guys are looking good and then they weren't looking good and then all of a sudden, we seem to regress back to yeah, kind of the same old Like, is this the ceiling for Jared Goff? Maybe they had a wonderful season and they had a lot of injuries to overcome, and man, was there some pain in Dan Campbell's voice after the loss.

And you lose these games. Man, it's like the players, what they put into it. A lot of people don't know, you know, what they go through. You have to get up bodies, beaches, you know, mentally, start locked in on and do those things so long season.

Yeah, yeah, tough because if you're a lines fan, some of you, probably a lot of you book flights to New Orleans, and I understand why you would, because he thought, all right, this is our We're the team of destiny. You start to believe that until you realize you're not the team of destiny. That might be Washington, might be Philadelphia, might be Kansas City, maybe it's Buffalo's turn this year. But these losses, I mean, this is what you take

They stayed with that in the postseason.

I got Derrick Henry and I'm not using Derrick Henry at the end of the game. I would love to have had Lamar and Derrick Henry and say, you guys pick your poison, try to stop one of us, and they didn't do it. Here is Lamar after the game talking about turnovers.

It's a team effort, the buzzing his behind, making places happening out down that SPF four US came up short. And like I've been saying all season, every time we had situations like this, turnovers plaif fattor Pennanty is plaff fattor today twelve tonight the turnover had it, you know, and that's why we lost the game, because as you can see, moving the ball wonderfully is hold on to the ball.

I'm sorry for my language, car No.

I'm talking Derreck Henry had sixteen carries.

I thought, in this kind of game against that defense, at least twenty twenty five carries. I don't know what the downside is with that. You've been this guy ran for nineteen hundred yards, so it's not like you go, hey, you.

Know what, we're thinking about doing something different.

This is what you did. He averaged five and a half yards per carry. Don't get out of your comfort zone. Do what you do well. I mean, Buffalo's defense is not formidable. It's it's a ben don't break defense. I thought that they would just go here, we go, hey, Derek's getting the ball, try to stop him, or you have Lamar as well. But look, you get in these moments and it's one play or two plays, and that's your season. Here, this is what it sounded like last night.

Complete all he dropped it, Mark Andrews hit him in the wounds, and Mark Andrews.

Dropped it as he fell into the end zone.

One of the more surehanded players the Ravens in Raven's history, dropped it, hitting right in the hands.

Yep, I think and even Jim Nants thought that he had caught it just because of the angle there. And it's Mark Andrews because he should have caught it. Does it come down to him?

Yes? It does.

Yeah, that play extends, extends the game and extends their season.

Is it the reason why they lost?

No, but that will be the singular play that will look at that they and the other play will be when the ball got punched out because Josh Allen didn't play great. But what I loved about Josh Allen, and I preached this all year long, he's learning. He's learned how to play the position. He doesn't have to be superman. He doesn't have to try so much, try so hard, Fewer turnovers. That's how you win these games. Nothing fancy, just no mistakes. And that's the difference in this game.

Yes, there was a point in time where the Ravens had the ball. It was first in goal from the two, and I don't know how you don't give Dereck Henry the bass four straight times, so there's no way you're keeping him from getting those two yards four straight times. And I don't know that they gave it to him once.

Crazy to me, it did remind me of Marshawn Lynch, like they have to give it to him. The super Bowl's on the line, he's right there.

Just run it in. Give it to this dude. What do you throwing it for?

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Derrick Henry had five carries on that touchdown drive the Ravens had the third quarter, and the other eight drives that they had, he carried the ball eleven times. Yeah, I have to double check that stat of the day, stat of the day, that past stat of the day, stat of the day?

Here comes that what's stat of the day.

Creativity can be overrated sometimes, how time we just do something really simple, just simple. Don't have to you know, you don't have to do trickery, You don't have to be Ben Johnson in the lines.

Just sometimes you just.

Go here it comes and it's gonna hurt, yes, Tod, But then you can do that.

And then if you get stopped and it doesn't work out, you know, there's gonna be people saying they knew that was going to happen. Why would you do the same thing that they're waiting for. The Eagles got away with it. Everyone knew Saquon Barkley was going to get the ball, and he destroyed them even though.

They knew this was going to happen. But Todd, you just answered your own question. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. Obviously it didn't work for the Raves.

Ilver thought like, oh, they'll never expect this.

They think we're just going to.

Have Lamar and Derek run the hole.

When they stop him, we can have this conversation. They didn't stop him. It did not They knew that Saquon was going to run the ball. They couldn't stop him. And if I'm Buffalo, God, I know that one of those two is gonna run the ball. I just had to factor in the web. Like I was blown away. I kept going, God, this is really simple, isn't it. Why are they making it complicated? First Hour brought to you by the great folks at Maco. Most cars on the road could use a little TLC. At Mako, they

I don't know.

It feels like it's the Lions, Like I can hear it in Dan Campbell's voice. I don't know if John Harbaugh's voice. Can you play John Harball talking about Mark Andrews.

Let me hear his voice.

There's nobody that has more heart and cares more and fights more than Mark. We wouldn't be here without Mark Andrews.

That's what you say to him.

So now it's like anything else. I mean, destiny is a decision that you make, and sin is how you handle what comes in your life. Now, Marko handled fantastic like he always does, because because he's a high character person, he's a tough person and he's a good person.

So proud of him's a I'm proud of all.

The guys more of an uplifting Dan Campbell's like, I can't hide any of this.

This emotion is deep deep.

Yes.

Hey, there was a moment just after halftime last night when John Harbaugh came out and he's doing the interview and they're like, hey, coach Joe, you know what are you going to say? Whatever this and that second half you can start pluck And they're like, what do you say to Lamar Jackson? You know, sort of like a rough first half he had two turnovers, or what do you say to Lamar Jackson going into the second half?

He goes, I don't need to say anything to him. He knows what he's doing.

I don't.

I don't need to say anything. It's Lamar Jackson.

He's good.

He knows that he shouldn't have done those two things, and he knows what he needs.

To do moving forward.

He's fine.

It doesn't happen often, you know, And I had an unbelievable season. It's just like justin Herbert, what did he have three interceptions? And then he surpasses that Lamar Jackson doesn't, you know what four interceptions? They don't turn the ball over and then what do they do? Interception and I think maybe the re ran the wrong route and then you know, fumbles.

It's just.

It's so small, the margin between you win or you lose, and that's why Buffalo moved on. I don't think they tried to play any different than they had all season long, and it felt like Boldemort got away, just like last year. Just like last year. We'll take a break. Ryan Clark got a busy day, busy night, and busy week covering the NFL for the Mothership. His son is playing in the National title game for Notre Dame. We'll touch on both of those topics right after this Dan Patrick's Show.

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Get to your phone calls as we always do every Monday, Best and Worst to the Weekend. It was a while back that I mentioned here's a wild card MVP candidate. Nobody would had brought his name up, but watching him play for his team and what he meant for his team. Jalen Carter and I mentioned it on the show that he's one of those that you don't think of because it's an offensive driven award. Jalen Carter probably made the biggest play of the game last night, and just that

Oh, I'm fricker or right it is?

You know, we got opportunity to play two super Bowls as a family. But these last few weeks have been absolutely amazing to you know, see your son sort of live a dream, see your son make a decision that was tough on him. In the offseason. He wanted to stay at ASU. He felt like that's where his loyalty should be.

I can be honest.

As parents, we thought it was best for him to leave, and we had those conversations, and when he kind of finally acquiesced to what we wanted and started to take trips, when he chose Notre Dame, I was elated. It was my dream school. But you know, in week two when they lose to NIU, and then as the season it goes along and Arizona State's playing extremely well, you're like, holy hell, did did we make a mistake? Did we push him into something that's not going to be positive

More likely to talk to him more today or less likely to talk to him today.

No, we don't change anything. VP Like that's the cool part about having been through it as a faller and my wife having been through it as a wife and now going through it as a mother, you know, like we understand what happens.

He kind of dictates how much we talk, how much we see.

Him on game weekends, and the one thing for him, he's like, pop, I don't want to change a lot because it's the championship. And so we got an opportunity to visit with him last night. Thousands of parents and families and friends were there also with their loved ones from the team, and he honestly stayed and talked to us longer than he normally does, so he got to see some family members he hadn't seen in the wild. But today he say he's going to wake up with

We have a ritual and you know this will be the last time we do it.

Always wait in the same exact spot for him before every game, And it started last year where I just write him a little note. I thought last year would be his last, but it ended up getting injured and coming back, and so this would be the last time.

I get to do it.

I'll do it from the field because it's obviously is PM game, But for me, it's like the It's the best part of the day.

I get to help you.

I get to tell him I love him, I get to hand him over a few words he gets to read before every game.

And uh, you know this would be our last time doing it in college ball.

Gonna have a lot of emotions there.

Yeah, I'm a cry I didn't I didn't like as a player. Honestly, when we won the Super Bowl, I didn't cry when we lost the Super Bowl. I didn't cry. I've cried more in these last three weeks than I like to admit, which I am admitting to you now publicly. But I think that it just shows you how much it matters, how much different it is.

But your son's going against some pretty good wide receivers. I would think you've had conversations on dad, what do you see?

No, not really. It's been a cool evolution of his playing career. We were driving in the eighth grade.

I forget where we were going, and he turns to me and he's like, Pop, i'd love to play a college sport. And at the time he loved basketball too. I was like, well, Saturday gonna be basketball. I've seen you do that, you know. I was like, you can play that to have fun. And I said, and it's going to have to be at defensive back. And he's like, well, why I play a wide receiver for two I was like, you know, I've been around those guys and I've watched him catch football.

Like it's just different. I said, but I can help you be a defensive back.

And he broke his ankle probably six months later playing basketball, and so we kind of had to rehab him back from that, get him prepared for a sophomore year, went to really competitive.

High school, and I mean, man.

We've slept at some of the worst hotels to go to some of these football camps.

We have been on planes, we've driven, and it was just that journey.

And so every high school game in sophomore year, I graded the film, I grade every play, and we'd watch it together.

And then the next year I grade every play and he'd watch it by himself.

And so it's kind of evolved whereas to know, he's his old man.

When it comes to football. If you ask me a question, I'll answer it. A lot of times.

He's telling me what he sees, he's telling me what he has to do, he's telling me how Al wants them to play.

And I think it is just the coolest.

Thing in the world.

Is Ryan Clark in the Mothership won a Super Bowl with the Steelers and weekdays for Eastern on NFL Live, I was just talking about the Ravens all season long. I said, I don't care what you do during the regular season. I want to see what your game plan is going to be in the postseason. I want to see if you stay with what made you successful. You got a great running back, and you didn't stay with that running back in the second half, a running back who was really good in the second half, they had

I thought early on.

They didn't have the sort of success they wanted to have, And when you go throughout the season with Todd Munkin, that's what we see. You know, there are the games that Derrick Henry doesn't rush for one hundred yards, they don't win. And I think people try to correlate that

They love to use, Isaiah likely in that way it.

Becomes a Justice Hill game a little bit in the past game, or it becomes a Lamar Jackson drop back pass game. And I think even with Derrick Henry not having early success. I thought in the second half he put his imprint on the game, Like, that's not why they lost, Right, you go to the first half, and it wasn't the interception by Lamar Jackson that think they went three and out after that. But it's the big fumble, the DeMar Hamlin tackle with the return by Von Miller.

Is Josh Allen consciously more cautious or like a where like situational football We always talk about that, but he just seems like, hey, I normally would try to do a little more. Feels like he's got maybe a seat belt on and it's a wise thing. Is that conscious?

Yeah? And you know, I don't even know, you know, DP.

I don't want to call it a seat belt because people will say or they'll think it's a negative thing.

And what you're saying is true. It's positive.

He understands, let's not go lose the game right. When people talk about him not winning the MVP last year, they always point to his stats, saying how much.

Better they were than Lamar Jackson.

But he also had eighteen interceptions and that was a way to hurt his team. This year, he cut that number down tremendously. But when you watch him, he's taking what the defense gives him. If it's a third and four, he has no problem only getting five yards, only getting six yards. He's not trying to take the shots down the field. He's playing with the level of efficiency and impatience.

That matters. But to me, also like a joy of not.

Being sort of forced into doing certain things to get people the ball, not doing certain things to prove a point. He seems extremely relaxed and comfortable in who he is and who he's playing with and because of that efficiency, because of that patience, because being of playing risk averse, that's why this team wins this football game.

One team turns the ball over, the other team doesn't.

More surprised the Ravens lost, or the Lions lost.

Lions Lions, And it's just like this weird thing because when you think about all the defensive players the.

Lions have lost, it makes total sense.

Amik Robinson, who have been playing well on the outside, he gets hurt very early on in that game, and so it's not one of those things. Oh, you know, there isn't a reason why they couldn't get stops defensively, but they had been losing all those people the entire year. You know, most of those players weren't available against Minnesota when they took them to the woodshed.

And a winner take all game in.

The last week of the season, and so it was surprising to see just how bad they were defensively, but also the turnovers and interceptions by Jared Golf which truly caused them the game, because when you think of some of the games they had to win down the stretch without those injuries, it was because the offense was unstoppable and offense protected the ball.

They didn't do those things against Washington, and it cost them.

The public perception, national perception is Mahomes gets calls that other quarterbacks don't get. As a former defensive player, your thoughts on that topic.

Well, I think a lot of quarterbacks get calls that they shouldn't get, right. I think there is a conscious effort to protect quarterbacks at all costs, and.

Officials are humans, then they just are like they know which ones are different. We felt the same way about Tom Brady, right, and we weren't wrong. Think about it.

When Tom Brady gets hurt in the first game of the two thousand and eight season, there's an entire rule built the round the way he got hurt, right, which still stands today. You can't hit quarterbacks below the knee, and so there are these quarterbacks that are treated differently.

I think when you see it on.

Display at in such a large stage in slow motion, it feels to us like, Okay, that's just a bad call where they're cheating from Mahomes. But the Will Anderson play, we look at it and we go in slow motion like, yeah, he definitely didn't hit him in the head.

When it's happening in real time? What is the official seat? Right?

You go back to Sam Donald to get in his face mask, like basically take it off against the Rams. Throughout the season, we're like, well, how you miss that? So maybe that's one of those things with Mahomes. The one that paid me the most was when he's running around, he doesn't really slide, he just kind of gives himself up and these guys are trying to tackle him. He's playing freaking dipsy do with the line on the outside and jumping around and cutting back in and holding the football.

You can't call that.

You can't give them fifteen yards and you can't give them an extra set of dollars and they end up scoring a touchdown on that drive that essentially puts makes it a two score game. Those calls have to be reviewable. If you don't want to review him during the season,

Game to not say he felt cheated.

I don't know if this analogy works for you, but later in Floyd Mayweather's career, it wasn't about trying to knock you out.

He was just going to play defense.

You've ounce smart you, Patrick, Mahomes is not blowing you away with stats. This isn't forty five to fifty touchdown passes. It's a I'm just going to to kind of spar with you, and then you're gonna make one or two mistakes, you leave Kelsey open, We're gonna score. You know, my defense is really the calling card of this team. I don't know if you see that, but I was kind of feeling like Mahomes at times doesn't seem like he's like,

Yeah, I think that's I think that's the key with him right now.

This man has shown up so many times in critical situational football moments that he expects to.

His team expects him to, hell the other team expects him to And.

When we saw him get into trouble, was trying to relive those forty five fifty touchdown days without having forty five fifty touchdown people.

To throw it too.

Yeah, you know, and I think he's had to make that adjustment. I mean, Dan, you know, like we all have an ego, right, Like we all feel like we're good at certain things and we want to be sort of seen and perceived that way. And for Patrick Mahomes, he was perceived and seen as the best.

Quarterback on Earth.

And you want to be able to push the ball down the field, you want to be able to show those.

Skills, but right now, that's not the way they can win football games.

And ultimately, as you begin to win football games and you're no longer having sort of the statistical output that you used to have, but people are still saying, yeah, but you're the guy, right, Yeah, he doesn't. He won't win the MVP.

This year, but everybody's chasing him.

You start to realize that actually winning is more important than anything, and that's what he's doing.

Are you sitting tonight watching this game?

So I didn't sit the entire second half of the Penn State. I stood up the entire game, and so I don't know. I like to call myself like a calm dad, because I really am. Most part high school. I didn't say much Throughout all of his years in college, I didn't say much. I just kind of set off with myself and watched the games. But it's been impossible for Georgia. It was impossible for Penn State. Uh, and it'll probably be impossible for Ohio State tonight. I mean, hell,

Was high, and so she's like, yeah, I'm gonna clean out my emails. And so I don't think she has any emails.

To clean out tonight, Dan, So maybe I'll just give her my phone because I have like eleven thousand underregulars.

Oh, you're going to be a mess, hopefully in a good way. Hopefully I'm messing a good way.

Europe.

You know, you know what's crazy, Dad, Like at the end of the game, you love all those moments, all those tense moments, all those stressful moments, because you win. If you don't win, then it's just three and a half hours of your life. You know that you felt like you were going puke.

Good look. Thanks for joining us, Ryan Man, thank you so much.

Day every great day.

That's Ryan Clark, his son Jordan's safety for Notre Dame. It's Ohio State and Notre Dame in the title game.

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Does that sound right? Man?

Come on, that's the lowest attendance in the history at lambeau.

Field because no one could get to the field.

There's a snowplow, two snowplows in front of the bus from the from the hotel, and the only people that came to the game, literally were people who snowshoot in or snowmobile. Outside of lambeau Field was like three hundred snowmobiles.

Is how the game went.

We were wearing white, and we didn't wear Of course, we forgot all the winter gear, so I wore Everyone's wearing their suits underneath their clothes like anything you get a hold of they were wearing and we were wearing white. I go out there and play, and I couldn't see anything. My second game as an NFL pro, I'm like, Bro, I can't I don't know where anybody is.

And I thought for a little while that I wouldn't complete a pass. Dad. It was I. It was in the second quarter. I'm like, I don't want to be the first player in the history of the NFL that didn't complete a pass.

Hold it.

So I had James Wilder by running back.

I was like, James, look, I got to complete a pass, bro, So I'm going to drop back.

Just come in front of me and I'm going to shovel it to you. And you can look in the stats.

I think the first half I was two for fourteen for minus three yards.

You had eight completions I think, and six were to James Wilder in that game.

Because I could see James was like he was close to me. He would scream at me like I could hear him. I could hear him, so I knew that he was close.

Well, isn't an advantage for the offense in weather like that?

I think it is because anytime it's slippery or then you know, you know where you're going and the defense doesn't it makes you know, obviously the mistakes are bigger because the footing. And yes, I thought, as long as you have a quarterback that can that can mut it, that's a huge I think it's a huge advantage.

Give me the game that kind of puzzled you this weekend.

Well, you know, obviously the Commanders.

What I loved about what they did was they went into a you know, tough place, number one seed, and they just ripped it right.

And they didn't wait around, they didn't wonder, they didn't kind of feel it out.

That playoff football is about taking it from bloody hands, and so if you're going to do it, especially in those in that situation, you've got to run it out.

And and what I mean.

That's all they did is they just ran it right out to the fourth quarter and and and the Lions is that's what playoff football is amazing. You don't realize how like baseball, basketball, it takes a week and a half to figure out who's gonna win a series. In football, you've literally in a half you can lose it all in many ways. The Ravens in the first half, a couple of turnovers. You know, am I really gonna win?

And it's a tough spot.

But I brought this up with Ryan Clark of ESPN Last Hour, and I said to Ryan, is Josh Allen consciously trying not to do too many things like put on the cape?

I don't can as a quarterback?

Can you consciously think about don't try to do too much like you've done before?

Dan, That is the art of quarterbacking exactly. If you can't do that, you won't be great. And I think that's what Patrick Mahomes has moved into, That's what Josh has moved into a place where they can be Superman, and they can be Superman almost every play. And you remember early in Patrick's career and Josh even as of last year, they put on the Superman cape so much that you actually can't. It doesn't work, It blows up

To threaten the line of scrimmage.

Doesn't mean you do it, but the threat has to be there because it's so You've saw it all weekend. How many yards are there free yards for quarterbacks? Touchdowns, first downs? And if you don't have that ability, you are behind the game. Jared Goff behind the game. He has to throw his way down there all the time. And you saw when you have to throw your way down there all the time, it wear's out where the

And goes is the maturity of Josh Allen.

Where does composure come from?

Well, in some ways, you're you know, it's like a gift from heaven, right like you you have a way of dealing with you know, I Adrenaline comes into your body and most human beings, it shrinks your brain, you get tight, you sweat you and sometimes things get tight and people respond opposite, like your heartbeat goes slower, you kind of calm down. And and those are the guys

What can I do? You know what?

Maybe I'll try this. And that's how he that composure was God given and he showed up with it. And I also think for him, particularly when you have a professional athlete, Dad grew up with a certain mentality that most of us have to go to the NFL and have to work through the composure thing. I think he kind of showed up that. I think Peyton Mannahan the same kind of spirit.

But explain Jade and Daniels.

So I'm telling you just did some people respond and a presence under pressure opposite of what most humans do. It's it's it's irrational to the human experience. But some guys just and that's why they're great. And great quarterbacks generally have this ability as the as things use look quarter that's the filter for quarterbacks. How many quarterbacks you see when it gets tight, they oh my gosh. And then the game gets smaller, they don't do as much.

And some people are just built different, and he's built that different.

You can see it and uh in today's game, he is the ultimate prototype. He is threatening line of scrimmage every play and can as he learns, he'll get he'll figure out. You know, some of the things we just talked about Superman Cape, but he starts it, threatens it every every every play and with a with an innovative play caller.

And you've talked, well, you don't have to talk about this, but I'd like to say half.

The league has an innovative play caller who understands the game has changed that there's more space. How do you deploy people out in the space is not like twenty fifteen? And how many teams in this league, Dan, I have stretched my eyeballs out. We're still running plays from twenty fifteen and thinking, oh.

This is the way we used to do it. We were really good.

We're like, bro, those days are over. You give me an innovative play caller. Cliff Kingsbury is amazing innovation. You saw some of the cool plays over the weekend. People are coming up with crazy stuff that's amazing, and you can deploy it in this way because the game has changed. The field is bigger, and then Jayden can just fill it all up and it's fun to watch. And look, if I'm the Commanders, I'm going to Philadelphia on a championship weekend, I'm going to run it out just like

That's the way I would do it.

Steve Young, hall of Famer joining us, we get caught up as members of the media, which you were a member of the media, but also Hall of Famer. We look at postseason success at the quarterbacking position, whether it's fair or not. We look at that and here's Lamar Jackson probably on the verge of a third MVP, and then he bounds out again. How important is postseason success maybe for the legacy of Lamar Jackson In the end.

We have to live it out, Dan, you know you have to. You just it's the fact. It's a percept. Look, perception is nine tenths of the law.

It used to be possession in law school, but perception is nine tents of the law. In other words, if that's the way that everyone wants to respond to Super Bowls, then you better get on board. And I think Lamar is on board with that. You can see it, you can see the pain.

I love that guy. I think he's an amazing football player.

And as he gets to become a more sophisticated passer and the Ravens lean in, I appreciate the hybrid they're leaving the Harbaugh run the ball, play great defense, like that's twenty fifteen. Like you I've got to enter into this new space that I think the Ravens have done in new play caller, and you know, and I think he's making the transition. And he's he is the most dangerous player in the field almost every time except for you know, when he run plumbs into Patrick or runs into Josh.

And so the pain is real, the reality is real.

You're not gonna you're not gonna you're not gonna have the perception of the of who you are as an athlete without it.

And that's just the way it is. And he's and you can see it in him.

He goes through the regular season and they run through the rank and file of the NFL ravens over and over and over again, and you can see it this year.

He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever, I'll see in January. I'll see in January. I'll see in January. You want to be Ambach, Yeah, I'll see in January.

I don't care. I don't care. And so that's why yesterday was particularly painful. And and like he said, after the game, what a stud When you know market dropped the ball and everyone say, well, that's the game, then he's like, no, bro, I had two turnovers. I can't turn the ball over. And that's the thing about the

Did you're talking about perception.

The perception is that the officials play favorite, certainly with Patrick.

Mahomes consciously, subconsciously.

No, I honestly I think Pat is a you know, hon is he superman when he wants to?

And he's figured that out. He's an artist, and look, you.

Can say he should just you shouldn't use the art of the presence of mind that he has on the field to lure people into trouble.

He's like the kid down the streets like, hey, let's go down here, and you know this will be fun.

Try it.

You know, like no, And he lures officials into the same way. I think in so many ways.

He's just you have to you might you might say I hate Patrick Mahomes because he gets preferential retreatment.

He got trust me on this.

Now he's not the officials get get graded. All they're thinking is I want to get it right. I want to get it right because I mean to get graded in the NFL and I want to run the super Bowl and I want to I want to have a playoff game. Like That's all that's going through their minds. They are not thinking, oh wow, I got to help the Chiefs out. Now everyone on the outside is like,

He has a way of giving a sense that that was that was a foul.

Did you get preferential treat Did you in Montana get preferential treatment?

It's a different time, Dan, You might say preferential treatment means that they didn't really get to l w you in the growing in the way. Rather they got you in the they got you in the chest. You know what I mean, Like, no, that's a press mental treatment. Is that they didn't actually draw blood, like hey, no blood this time, So that's good.

Uh.

I think I think you had you had officials that your friends, you know what I mean, like like you got to Jerry, Mark Bright and and and uh, just guys that you've ran into all the time in all the big games, and you had conversations all the times.

Like I remember Jerry was great because you throw a ball.

It was tough ball, you know, led the receiver open, you know, in traffic, and he's you'd get up.

From getting pounded and goes, hey that's a good ball, nice.

Throw, you know, like he was a fan.

Did you ever get an official gift? No, of course, like you paused there for a moment, like a jersey a football.

Did you ever know Jim Tunney was my favorite? But like no, you know I would I have never other than Jim I spoke. He became a friend later.

The area.

Uh, and you know the story when one of the officials I did get proferential treatment briefly because his daughter. He says, you know, you see, he's in law school and when I was going to law school too, and he's like, you guys should go.

On a date, you know.

And I'm like, all right, fine, you know, and uh, and then I got foul.

I mean, I got hit and he threw the flag and he says, she likes Mexican, you know, and like, let's miss up.

So wait a minute. If it came out you were.

Dating, dive into this one.

If you were not dating, I'm not bringing up Marie Osmon. How long did you date Marie Osman?

Well, we had a couple of dates.

Bro, you're scrambling now, you're not getting preferential treatment.

That's all right, that's what I do.

That's one of the games. Come to me, Dan, It's twenty twenty five minutes my game.

So just don't wait.

Man.

Imagine if it came out that Josh Allen was dating an official's daughter, you were dading, you.

Two gun, then you could really complain. Then you could really complain instead.

Of just we didn't know about it because we didn't know that you went out with somebody to get preferential treatment.

You know what super Bowls certainted. Now.

I did never go out stop, it didn't happen.

Relax.

It was just a fun moment that I was trying to like lighten the moment when you're hearing a tough show.

I'm just trying to you know, bring some you know, ballast to this thing. Man.

You know what, now you've now now you know how the Chargers felt in the Super Bowl when you were lighting them up and you never ever stopped throwing the football.

Steve Right, Hey, hey it was.

It was Mike Shannan told me pregame eight touchdowns, we're throwing eight.

Touchdown Really he did no, He looked at me right in the eye.

Well you could have.

See, you know how serious he is. He's like, he's Mike, let's go over it against Shanahan. So he was like, we were freaking and we were going over it again.

Right.

Well, you know how long the Super Bowl is. It goes forever, right, and so finally he's like, let's go over it again. Let's go over again. Mike, I can't go over it again.

Man.

I know you love to go over it again. I do too, but we can't go over it again. He goes, Okay, they touchdown.

You know you were the leading rusher in that game too. Those are the days, Dan, Yeah, I know what it could have been. Remember when Shannon she came into halftime. You know what he did and he looked me dead in the eye and he went like this four and so that's halftime. So when they took me out with six, he was he was petted. But that's Mike.

That's why Kyle's That's why Kyle's.

Great, a great innovator and an amazing play caller, because he's like his dad.

Like they like father, like son.

That apple did not have fall fall from the tree because that Mike was. Mike was all about pounding people into absolute submission.

And I loved it. I was amazing.

And what did we learn today?

Did we learn that Steve young career tainted it a little little bit, dated an official's daughter just to get preferential treatment. Okay, I mean I respect it. I mean that you're you're a winner, is what you are, Studd. Whatever it takes.

I'm a Dodger, as you know. Yeah, that's that's what runs deep in the blood.

Yes, yep, that baseball career. They're still talking about it.

But I could have what I could have been, Dan.

You were the shoheo Tani of Greenwich, Connecticut.

What I could have been?

Yeah, you know how hard it is to be to beat your way out of the mead streets of Greenwich.

You did it. You did it.

That is not easy, bro.

Yeah, how about a round of applause for Steve everything over time? You did it.

Things are tough out here, man.

No, no, somehow you you did it.

We're very proud. We trudge along.

So when you went to BYU, your BMW was used, like they didn't give you a new one.

Bro, sixty five Oldsobil Dynamic eighty eight. My dad drove out.

He's like, hey, you know, if you need a car, uh, you know, we got the old olds here that could you know?

And then I'm like, I don't. I'm in Utah, that's thirty thousand miles away. He goes, I'll drive it out. You know, it'll be fine and.

Great, young freaking drives it out, drives it across the country.

I'm like Dad.

That thing is you're not gonna get You're not gonna get off.

The queen you know, the Queen's Expressway.

You're not gonna, I mean, let alone, you know, getting over the throat to neck like you're.

Long direction. Dad, I understand, don't worry.

You're on a round. Just leave it alone, all right, all right, we're gonna go the long way. I hope you have a great day.

You're the best, Dad.

Thank you, Steve. That's uh, Steve Young referential treatment. Let's go out with the officials.

Daughter.

She likes Mexican food.