Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety seven, Episode two of Daly's Like Say production of iHeartRadio.
This is the podcast where we take I guess.
You could say, a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Yeah, it's Wednesday, July twenty six, twenty twenty three.
Oh you know what that means. It is National Coffee Milkshake Day, National Bagel Fest Day, National all or Nothing Day, National Aunt and Uncle stay. Shout out to the aunties out there. I don't say aunt, I say aunt. I don't know. I don't know. Are you? Are you an auntie? Are your aunt?
I think it's situational. Oh. I grew up playing in different places and some of them were aunts and some of them were ant. So like I think I call all of my aunt's aunts. I'm like Aunt Carolyn. Yea, yeah, because that's what when I was very young, that's what I how I was pronouncing it, but then definitely went through an aunt face.
Oh I stay, never left, never left. I also shout out to it's National Disability Independence Day, so full of celebrations for life ones.
Like whoever the dramatic motherfucker is? Who made it National all or Nothing?
Day, Dude, the fucking picture on the website is a guy tight rope walking across like a chasm. It's like, oh shit, man, I could fucking die. Man. It's all or nothing, man. So yeah, I guess that's what you're supposed to do, is just go all in, don't hesitate.
Just just be confident, happy, all or no. I think that's good advice for the modern world. Just go all in, you know, strong and wrong. It seems like that's working out well for all of us. My name is Jack O'Brien AKA.
You don't know what.
That fish should taste like, dude, you don't have a first clue which sweetish fruit? Ain't no particular taste. I'm betting you'll ever guess, but it's lingo refruit in your fish. That his courtesy of Scatty Magoo on the discord, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Groun.
Oh my god, it's Miles Gray. Shout out to the Lord of Lancasham, the peace Keeper of Pasadena, for preventing full out brawls at the Rose Bowl. That is my AKA. Coming off that last weekend, I'm still I was telling you this after recording, I'm still like effected by this, by all that shit that was popping off in the stands.
Anyway, these adults unresolved shit like fucking up their kids lives in real time. Yeah, like a very important developmental stages can be can be difficult.
Yeah, yeah, I hope. I hope like in that child's formative memory he remembers me as the person that helped his father, you know, become just overly violent at a at a sporting event. And I wonder if his dad's like, if that one dude didn't freaking stop me, I would have stomped him out. Don't be lucked out, guy.
So I told you about how I have that one kid who I imprinted on at like a very young age because it was when like I my job was pool boy and also like unofficial lifeguard, and I like jumped in it was a tiny pool. I just like waded over to him and pulled him out while he was drowning, and his mom like chose not to jump in when he was like, I was like, is he okay? Can he swim? Is that just a funny way that
he swims? And then like I saw her like two days later, She's like, he won't stop talking about you. And he was like a real like violent kid like that. I was like noticing, like he was like stopping his little sister's like dolls on the head and.
Shit, Oh wow, I'm just I feel.
Like I'm on borrowed time and that kid's gonna show up at my door, like uh, Anton Sugar at some point in the next ten years and just be like a friend.
Jack.
That boy was me No got anyway. Miles to be joined by an Emmy Award winning comedian and the host of the new podcast Indecent, where she talks to experts about what isn't isn't considered acceptable in today's society. Who sets the boundaries for today's taboos. Please welcome to the show Kick you Inside.
Hello, Thank you so much for joining us. You're an Emmy Award winning journalists, correct, and you're classing to join up by by coming over here. I like, what what made you transition from journalism to comedy. I'm always interested when people have like I went, I was a lobbyist and then was like, I want to do comedy. So I'm always interested when people are like, yeah, I did that got Miami. I got Miami. Now I'm doing comedy.
Yeah. Well, you know, journalism is a hard, tough industry, and so I decided to go to comedy because it's notoriously easy.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Of course of course at least the laughs, at least everyone's laughing together when things are going bad in comedy, I guess watching like a.
News yeah yeah, and I like getting paid nothing like it's good. So you knowialism comedy, it's all the same.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's exposure, exposure.
Entry level comedy is like a pretty great track to be on. Parents was impressed, and you know, they're they're like, oh that's great, and so what do you be making next year and the year after that.
It is funny though that it's like the same things, like where you see like interns who are like how are you able to be an intern at the New York Times and then get a job. It's like, well, my parents are like bankrolling. That's the same way. There's like comedians who are like the secret trust Fund. Comedians are like how are you out here without working every It's like oh yeah, yeah, secret.
Well yeah, I do think there's comedians who like secretly work but they don't want people to think they're not full time comedian. It's like, I'm like, you have to be doing something during the day, right, Like right, you're not.
Gig Yeah, yeah, yeah right. I'm a professor. Okay, cats up.
God, this is so embarrassing. I'm a philosophy PhD and a professor Joe exposure.
So I was at this thing where like a comedy club was like a presenting sponsor of like a like a jazz in the park day, and part of it was like, hey, just so you know, like I guess their thing was like as the jazz bands would kind of take a break, like a promoter from the comedy club would come out and try and get people like He's like, yeah, you know a lot of people are stressed these days. You know what's good laughter, Come on down to the club. We got a lot of great
comedians actually want to give you a taste. Now, this guy's coming up. His name's Robert. He does a lot of stuff for us at the comedy club, but he's now doing a little bit of some open mic stuff and I said, he can come up real quick, give you guys a couple jokes just to give you guys a taste. The jokes were almost made me die. This is the one I will tell you I remember a
word for word. He came up. He goes, hey, so, and like his whole style was like kind of Mitch Hedberg Ye, sort of like I don't give a monitor.
Perfect for that scenario.
Yeah, exactly. Whens like, hey, so I've been reading some JK rowling lately. JK wow. And then like everyone do anything and I grown, but like in the funny, I was like, oh yeah, yeah yeah. So I was like, you know, we all got to get it in where we can so respect to that that joke. At least he didn't go somewhere transphobic with it. He just kind of made a just a weird play on JK.
That guy's gonna be president.
Yeah, that joke did distract me from the impending climate. But catastrophe for a moment, as promised, all right, Kiki, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about how the X rebrand of Twitter is going v Well, we're gonna talk about Glenn Beck's new book and like the inevitable right wing mental boomerang. And also I like I was intrigued by the cover.
I don't know if I fell into the glen Beck trap, but the cover of the book has three three men on it. It has Joe Biden flanking somebody who nobody knows who.
Is Marlon from the Island of Doctor.
Looks like Marlon Brando from the Island of Doctor Moreau crossed with like Rupert Murdoch.
Maybe yeah, that's Murdoch, but but it's Klaus Schwab, the leader, one of the leaders of the I m F that they were like, this is going to move some copies.
So but we'll talk about that theory. Well, we'll talk about the some of the tragedies that Oppenheimer completely glosses over. Yeah, yeah, like that one, all of that plenty more. But first, Kiki, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Well, it's pretty dark. Are you ready?
Yeah?
Yeah, let's go.
Okay, yeah, it's not even noon yet. Let's go.
Yeah, you just think about that JK Rowlling joke real quick. Okay, I'm ready.
Get to a good place. I can bring it in.
Yeah.
So my last weekend news I tried to pitch the story that we never were able to do because we didn't get a call back. But I was living and working in Baltimore at the time and the like beloved giraffe at the zoo died and I wanted to know what they do with zoo animals when they die, like do they have a diraffe funeral? Do they bury them? Is there a draft graveyard? Like what happens to them?
And we never got a call back, and it's been bothering me for years, so very recently I googled it and apparently they all get cremated, but not for reasons that you might think. They get cremated so that people can't sell their body parts like on the black market.
Oh right, and get like a giraffe skeleton. You're like, nobody's getting this skelly right.
If we can't have it, you can't either.
Wo.
That is so selfish. I want to buy a draft skeleton.
That's some very tall ceilings in your apartment.
Do they have horns?
What's the ship on the top of their head?
Yeah, some of them have like those little.
Guys antennas for wi fi.
Oh yeah, five g Yeah, yeah, those aren't because they have ears and them like knobs too, right, mm hmm. Okay, that's that's my that's my stupid question that I want to contribute to this discussion about giraffe anatomy, giraffe head knobs. We'll see what comes up that. Yeh, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah.
Oh okay, Austin, Where can I buy them?
Zoo?
Yeah exactly, Google giraffe OSome cones for sale?
So wait, did you google the shopping tab of Google or did you image results?
Actually on Facebook marketplace, they're very friendly to the black market, right.
Wait, so at the time when you were covering that story to the giraffe just kind of passed away to the natural natural causes. It wasn't like a dubious drug over just death, was it.
Yeah, fentanyl's really infiltrating the zoo. Yeah, no, I think the side of natural causes.
Actually.
Okay, wait on that same subject, do you guys know this like famous hippo Fiona is like I think Cincinnati Zoo.
I am not no, nope, milling oreat yes, okay, go on.
Hippo content is huge on the internet.
Fiona is a slab and apparently like that's the same zoo that Harambe was shot at. So they've just done this whole rebrand with his hippo and I'm like, no, you can't like get away from your dark past.
Oh yeah, wow Cincinnati, So are they just like cranking out stars at the Cincinnati Zoo or something.
Apparently they got a really good pr team.
Yeah, yeah, for real.
When I google Cincinnati Zoo Hippo, I see that they're mourning the loss of Henry the Hippo. Oh fag at twenty seventeen.
Oh twenty seventeen. Okay, well they.
Probably killed him.
Yea father, famous Fiona, Oh father, Oh.
You hate to see it. You hate to see it.
They're kind of setting us up for disaster because hippos are you know, they they will kill motherfucker, like real, They're They're very deadly in the right circumstances.
So that was like my one little kid like annoying factoid. I say, like, hippos are actually the most dangerous, like if like to humans, it's not this or that, but yeah, that's what they do.
It's what they do besides mosquitoes. That's my kid's favorite fact right now animal is mosquitoes.
Because you're going very narrow for like blood born illnesses.
Yeah, okay, which my younger kid up because he gets a lot of mosquito bites. He's got that sweet sweet blood that mosquitoes craze.
Yeah.
Yeah, so nothing, nothing you can do sitting in bed waiting for mosquitos to come and bite you to death.
But he doesn't, like, he doesn't fuck with him be like ooh, you know, like you could get you know what you could get from that mossine.
I think he does like when we're not around, Uh, it would be my guess. Yes, fact, my youngest hair has turned completely white.
Second word was zeka.
Yeah.
What is something, Kiki that you think is overrated?
Something that is overrated?
I think that in the year of our Lord twenty twenty three, we should be allowed to put our elbows on the table when we're eating. I think that this is a stupid rule that we're still abiding by. And I looked it up and the reason is because apparently our tabletops used to be like on logs, So if you put your elbows on the table, would like flip the whole table over. But like that's not a problem anymore. So I think we should be more rude when we're having dinner.
Wait, the etiquette of elbows on the table was born out of eating off of floppy logs. What the fuck? I just thought, Okay, yeah, I mean it's funny how quickly I started. I just had my elbows on a table. Like I think once my mom or like my grandmother gave up on trying to get give me any sense of etiquette. But damn hm, okay.
I know.
I mean that makes sense.
If you flip the table and get dinner all over somebody's lap, that's super rude.
But like that's not a risk anymore.
What is Yeah, I guess what is it like eating a hamburger with your elbows on the table kind of thing? Just having yeah, or just having a wide base with like your fork and knife with elbows playing. I'm just trying to give I'm just trying to put myself at the table right now and figure how Yeah, I'll eat a sandwich like this with my elbows just big right Like I'm.
In my thirties. My back hurts. Let me put my eulbles on the table.
Yeah, it's probably like good for core strength, not to have them on there, but also we need a rest in the fear of our Lord twenty twenty three.
My head is heavy, yeah, or you're here literally holding it up? Yeah, please please stay with it.
What's something you think is underrated?
Something I think is underrated is saying less. I feel like the pendulum has swung too far the other way, Like we got two in our feelings as society. We're like too vulnerable, We're too we're using like too much therapy speak Jonah Hill. But this all comes from I recently saw on TikTok this trend called crying girl makeup, where girls are doing their makeup to make it look like they've been crying.
And I'm like, we got we gotta stop, we gotta stop fetishizing being sad.
That's not good, right Is that just to have like kind of like red irritated eyes with like vague memories of mascara or something.
Pretty much that's exactly right, and like that was kind of shiny, like you might have pink eye or you might have been crying, right, Is that?
This is where I'm like old, I'm like, and that's and that's appealing.
Now, Yeah, I mean I don't know, like I'm thirty one, so I remember when on Zanga people were posting like emo semi suicidal song lyrics. But I think we should have stopped there, like we don't need to be making ourselves look like we've been crying. We have plenty of things to actually cry about.
Yeah, exactly, like let your band t shirts announce like your mental state. You know. That's like I remember, you know, like the goth kids were really good. It's just been like, oh, I can tell from your vibe you probably were crying, but you're not. You don't have it on your face.
Yeah. When I picture crying girl make up a picture like streaks of like dark eye makeup, but this the image results seem yeah, more like pink, pink eyed with shiny, glossy cheeks.
Right, And I do think we should fetishize pink eye, like let's do that make up?
Wait, what is it called? What is it? And what do you call it? What's pink? I actually called?
Is that?
No?
Juck devitis? I'm a staph infection staff but no, yeah, yeah, yeah, did you ever get I never got pink eye, So maybe I should start fetishizing it because it's just one of those things that's always been out of reach for me, or maybe I should just like, yeah, have my face farted on more often.
Yeah, you can get someone to do that on Craigslist, like pretty easily, actually, I mean pretty cheap for you'bit surprisingly cheap.
I mean with a newborn, with a new baby. You know, I think if I just time it right, I could probably just get a direct one to the face anyone. Yeah, yeah, you never know, you never know.
All right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about some.
News, and we're back.
And Elon Musk's sprint to completely devalue Twitter as quickly as possible is it's kind of impressive, Like, yeah, he's doing work. He's putting in the work.
It's weird because it feels like it was by design from the beginning, Like he's like this is fase, like I'm in phase three, but all it is is just him not hearing no from anyone at all. Yeah, and for the past twenty years, we are Yeah, yeah, X dot com is not doing great. Apparently there's already problems within hours of announcing that, you know, it's X dot com for starters, like just just you know X dot com X. Many derivations of that have already been trademarked
by literally hundreds of companies, including Meta and Microsoft. So many people are like, yeah, I'm expecting lawsuits probably around this and their ability to use that as a brand. And then we also found out that, like when they tried to take the fucking bird logos off their headquarters in San Francisco, the police just shut the whole thing down because they didn't have permits to like be operating like the heavy machinery you needed, like to work on
the exterior of the building. And yeah, and it's just kind of like those are like the little problems, and now we're he's also finding out that Musk has changed the names of the conference rooms to shit like sexy but like with like the like a capitalized X, or like x posure e capital x po s u r E. And many people are right to point out, like, let's not forget he was accused of groping and exposing himself to a flight attendant, that he basically got to put
them on mute because of a big cash settlement, and that his other companies, like we hear NonStop reports of like how it's like toxic sexist culture, the places like Tesla. So i'd imagine yeah, going into meet me in Sexy for a talk. I'm sure it won't lead to any kind of complications. If there even is hr at Twitter right.
Now, I'm sure he got all of them to quit, like right away. That seems to be phase zero of the plan.
Yea.
Is it called tweeting now or is it called xing?
That's we don't fucking know. I think I mean, all out of habit, we're all calling it tweeting. But this is this leads to the next point, is that because we're like they're abandoning all that brand familiarity of like Twitter and erasing sort of the word tweet from our cultural lexicon, it's only going to cost Twitter about twenty billion dollars in brand value. So that's what that has done.
I'm not sure what that means, but i'd like when I do the quick maths why the last report we heard is that like basically it lost half of its value when he bought it at forty forty some billion dollars. So then if it lost twenty dollars in brand or twenty billion in brand value, I don't know, I don't know how to do that math, but it sounds like not good.
I think it's two billion dollars as the left using quick maths.
Yeah, okay, so if we have forty four to twenty two minus twenty and that it's a two billion dollar company two billion.
Which is impressive. He's killing it if his goal was to completely rob it of all value, which like finance bros who like are adamant on him not being an idiot or like, that's I mean, it makes sense when you think about it. It kind of makes sense.
How so, sir? It's like, you know, like you do want to you want to unburden yourself of all that brand value. It's like expectation, you know what I mean, kind of start from scratch and make all that money back. I guess, Kiki, how you how have you been, you know, navigating this evolution of Twitter?
I don't know.
Twitter used to be my favorite platform, but I try to get on threads, you know, like if we're gonna be in a billionaire's terrarium. I feel like threads is the new move, but like threads is so corny, Like I can't get behind threads. It's it's like I was telling somebody it's like when you go to an open mic, like the day after New Year's and there's all these new people there that have never done comedy before.
That's how Threads feels.
It's like all these people that don't know how to tweet, and so it's like weird attempts at being funny and then like you're seeing content from people you don't follow.
So yeah, or like like people I went to school with who now are like to your point, are like, I got one liners check this out. I was just reading jk Rowling thread that shit, Like, yeah.
That guy's killing it on Threads.
Thread. You get another one that I'm pretty sure is just one of these ole in like Rickles or Rodney Dangerfield jokes. He's I'm sorry we keep bringing this guy up. The other one he said was so I had to go to the doctor, my mother in law's doctor, because yeah, we had to talk about her sleeping medication is not strong enough. She's not sleeping. She's supposed to put her to sleep. Like he's like, it was that was the That was the cadence of that joke for like, huh all right.
Uh wait, that was the joke.
Yeah, like basically meant to be like it sounded like kill in law, but it's like these pills ain't working docs she's still talking, uh huh.
Yeah.
So anyway, I'm telling you that guy's gonna be the next TikTok star because people are going to stick around for the punchline and never find it, and the engagement is just going to be through the room.
He's no time.
They're like, he's doing that up there, He's doing art up there. Yeah. Yeah, Elon though, it's uh, it is wild, like what he's just what are are these ideas? Are these just reactions without a plan. I'm trying to really understand, like what the what the room is like when he's pitching this shit to like the other Twitter people.
Yeah, I mean it really feels like we saw what the room is like in succession when Kendall Roy was like pitching, you know, like anytime Kendl Roy is pitching, and it would just be like, yeah, so set it to a supergrowth, double click at five times, pulling banking play skyrocket growth to the moon, something like that, like just cat like just tossing off these casual as sides of like you know, right.
It's the temperature in the room. What's the temperature in the room.
Yeah, take the temperature for me.
Yeah, it's just not because yeah, they like his play at X dot com is that he's hopes it will be some kind of all encompassing omni platform, including banking. Why the fuck would anyone trust you like they We don't even trust you to run this website efficiently like that. That is just a place where we type words.
Yeah, Jaquita banana and dole fruit don't even trust you enough to be on there anymore after they got fucking impersonated so many times. But yeah, sure I'll put my savings. I put my savings into X dot com savings.
Yeah, no, I would rather be on neopets dot com my making. There's like this guy, he's proved that there is no such thing as a billionaire. How do you have so much time to come up with so much dumb shit?
Yeah, it's truly. It's not because of the ideas, folks, It's because he's just weird. I guess. Uh, Kendall Roy chat game is just a pretty good I guess. I mean, we saw what happens like in that CNBC interview when like someone actually asks him a question, he falls the fuck apart, and they'll bring up a meme about fucking princess Bride and you're like, oh, that's not an answer to the question, sir, But okay.
Well, I just think you should have stopped, like what you know, like Dave Chappelle like brought him out in theater and everyone booed him. Like for those people, that would have been enough to like hide in a cave and never come back, but he just dumped it down.
Yeah, truly, Well, he never gives up. I know, We'll give him that, Yeah, because everybody's just telling him to keep going because he has enough people that he's surrounding himself with that are just like genius, sir.
Right, they're just haters because you're balling so hard, that's all. These are great ideas. They're broke boys.
Yeah, well balling with a har g.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, balling bawling.
Good. All right, let's check it with Glenn Beck. It's been a couple of decades, but yeah, he like, I haven't had to say or think about Glen Beck. I think in a decade have we ever covered Glenn back on this show.
I feel like maybe as an aside, But it's not I don't think as a focal point to be like Glenn Beck remember him, because he's just been he's just fallen into obscure since like his heyday of the late outs.
Yeah, he's He's got to be a cautionary tale that like Fox News anchors tell each other, right, like, because he he was riding high and then got fired kind of at the peak, at the height of his dressing up as a founding father ness.
Yep, yep, exactly to lead the charge against Barack Obama.
Wait what did he get fired for?
I don't think it was ever, like really clear other than like contract shit, but like not not thinking he was paid enough. And like check me out on Yahoo Fantasy Sports that it's actually has nothing to do with fantasy sports, but it's like the streaming app that they use for that. You can go over there and you know, if you type in this exact URL, you can find a live stream of me standing in front of a blackboard with cosplaying as Ben Franklin.
Yeah exactly. I know when he left, he was just sort of like I'm leaving Fox and people. Yeah, oh okay, And I think that caused a lot of space because it think I think at the time people were speculating that it could have just been like toxic content equals ad exodus, and just that little bit of having him for a little bit just they were they got scared
really quickly. But either way, he left. He's gone on to do nothing that we have ever mentioned, but he manages to say, you know, somewhat relevant in the right wing take us fere But recently, like many other bigots of his kind, he has gone after Target for not going full Westboro Baptist and disappearing gay culture during Pride Month, and he basically was like, we have to boycott Target because YadA YadA, grooming blah blah, protect the children's And
now he's got some dumb ass book coming out and he is complaining that Target isn't selling it in their stores. He says, dear Target, this is onder tweet. Why is Blowback a warning to save democracy from the next Trump? A purely political book allowed to be in your stores but my book is not. And you're like, sir, you just spent like weeks on end telling people to not shop there. You hope they burn because demons run it.
But then you're also like sell my book please. Honestly, the book itself is like a conspiracy laden pile of Nazi farts, so there's not so much to discuss there in terms of substance. But again, like it is good to point out it is being sold on Target dot Com, just not in their fucking stores. Which again, have you been to the book section of a Target and I use book very lightly.
Yeah, there's a couple books there.
It's like ten books. Usually that's there. It'll be like whatever if there's like a Stephen King book, whatever the popping kids book is, and then like a couple like random things.
I'm looking at the fantasy section or sorry, not the fantasys the book section.
Target.
It's still great because this is the same guy that would be like, I don't think Target has to sell to gay people, but they do have to sell my book.
Yeah, that's exactly that, which again it's just so see another moment like this where you have a right wing hate grifter do the thing where he like screams about woke corporations and then only comes back around and is like, help me because I also rely on you for my book sales. What is this? Yeah?
Good news is they are selling Prince Harry's book and cat Kid Comic Club.
Oh oh okay, yeah, so yeah, cat Kid's going off.
It's the next shared cinematic universe that's gonna fuck everyone up in like ten years. I yeah, I was trying to figure out, like I'm not going to read it, but the cover got me because and I think inadvertently, So, like you've got Bill Gates and Biden flanking some bald guy. Like Bill Gates looks like he's like an operator, Like he's wearing like a black like paramilitary uniform with his name on it in case he didn't recognize Bill Gates,
says Gates. And then like they're flanking a bald guy who again like there's no way you have any idea who this person is, but I guess in the world of wild Nazi fart conspiracies, like he is a household name and like a recognizable face. His name is Klaus Schwab. He's one of the leaders of the IMF, so I mean the International Monetary Fund. Probably, yeah, he's probably not like the coolest dude in the world. And so the book is about like watch out for the Great Reset,
because the next step is gonna fuck you up. And the Great Reset is this like international economic theory that was set to debut at Davos and the Davos that got canceled by the pandemic. But it's like basically international billionaires coming together and being like, climate change is gonna make people mad, and so we have to like bring the values of companies together with people and like stop being so completely distanced from what matters to people, which
that sounds like a good idea. Their method for doing that is through deregulation and like getting private companies like more involved in ruling the world.
Oh, like law enforcement or that kind of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the conspiracy is that the Great Reset was actually the cause of COVID. They like created the pandemic so that companies could come in and seize more power, which it seems like it's like basically impossible for companies to have more power than they have right now, So like why kill millions of paying customers across the globe and like freeze the economy for a couple of years to
do that. I'm guessing the explanation of the book is some combination of like they hate white people and they don't like freedom or some shit, but don't I don't know. It seems like a mess. I feel like they were like, who is this is this ya literature? Like it looks like it could be like a Hunger Games style book mixed with like a Tom Clancy book, And yeah, that's why they're not putting it on shelves.
Yeah, they've got a whole new thing that they're pressing. They said that, like in the book, there's like also the Great Narrative Movement that is going to completely change the way we It's going to address how we're perceiving the decay of like traditional values throughout the colonizer world. So and then there's like mentions of the CCP and Vladimir Putin just for good measure. So I don't know what it means, but there's a lot of words that resonate with people.
I guess it's all connected. I remember like seeing images of his show like post Fox, and he's standing in front of a chalkboard and it is literally that that meme from It's Always Sunny, with like all the different things connected and like different like circles, like words that he circled and then like drawn an arrow to another word but I also, like this just reminded me of
did you guys ever read the book Freakonomics. Do you remember when that was, like hell, such a popular, Like it was like smart It's like bestseller, smart person.
Everyone in their bathroom.
Yeah, yeah, everyone had it. It's still a popular podcast. The author, Stephen Dubner, I think, is the New York Times journalist. He like I remember like at the height of that, I think it was his podcast like popularity. He like did an episode where he just like hung with Glenn Beck and like Glen Beck drove a race car around and then they just like riffed on like some theory that driving race cars will make you drive safer because you're like aware that they're dangerous or some shit.
But I just I feel like we've never fully reckoned with what a reactionary hack? Yeah, and like that book in particular, like that guy, I think in his follow up Freakonomics, like he had something about how the climate crisis was actually not that big a deal because someone was gonna like come through and solve it, and he like compared the climate crisis to the crisis in New York City at the turn of the last century, when like there was horse poop everywhere because everyone was driving horses,
and he was like, but progress naturally came through and solved that for us with cars. So now climate change is just like the latest thing, and we're gonna figure it out by putting a bunch of gases into the atmosphere that'll make it cooler, and we're good here.
And that is such like fucking white guy thinking, yeah, yeah, where it's like sounds like it sounds like your mom solved a lot of problems for you behind the scenes that you weren't aware of either.
And I don't know how to fold a T shirt.
Yeah, just want to end, But if I leave him around, someone folds them and puts them in there.
So so I just want to say if he wanted us to be scared of Bill Gates and Joe Biden, like why did he make them look so cool on this book cover?
Like they look like the hardest fuck here Bates ever looked.
Joe Biden looks like he could like shoot a fucking jet out of the sky with like a handgun. Like that's how like his like face is like, what's fucking next for me? Which I'm we're usually usually he's asking that out.
Of confusion, like this is what Joe Biden I would vote for?
Like he looks present e gauged, he remembers that.
He's president, got good eyesight.
It looks like he looks like he just killed room of bad guys with his laser eyes. Yeah, like the Biden on the cover, Like it's laser eye Biden. It's like dark Biden, just with his laser eyes turned off.
Right mm hmm.
Yeah, he's charging and the guy next to him, he looks totally enough for the Turtle Club. I don't know who he is, but I mean, you said who he is, but I still don't really, I don't understand.
That was a lot of words.
I don't believe when you said I am at I I thought you meant impossible missions Force, like from Mission Impossible, because isn't that like the name of their the group that he's part of. Anyway, Uh, just another factoid I just want to point out. I think, like as as I like just kind of peruse a little bit more
about what the book is. It's like any fucking conspiracy book for the right, which is essentially meant to say, like all the progress you're seeing around you is fucking evil, and you're gonna have to explode the corporations or people of goodwill in order to preserve our like archaic way of living because in like just sort of one of the descriptions goes on to talk about how Glenn Beck and the co author reveal the most important technologies and
cultural changes that will soon cause an unprecedented level of disruption in the United States. They also outlined the dangers and opportunities associated with these disruptions and provide a plan to protect individuals and families from losing their liberty. Yeah. So yeah, basically, I think which means you're there perceived right to be terribly racist and hateful in public. Maybe I think describe it.
I think that's usually what it means.
Yeah, But anyway, when in the intense struggle for the future of humankind, whose side will you be on?
On the on the freakonomics guys like he was fully in on. Like there were those leaked emails where people tried to like cherry pick it was like the first like you know, Podesta emails leak, but about climate change, where they like pulled all these emails and then like cherry picked these little details to make it seem like climate scientists were lying about climate change. And he like went on Fox and was like, I think we have to take a whole new look at the entire narrative
that they've been giving. That's like this New York Times reporter who wrote Freakonomics. I mean, I'm sure people have like written that book off at this point, like who we're paying attention, But I do feel like it's still out there and still has the cachet of like being associated with the New York Times. And he's a fucking complete hack, right, Ah, yeah.
This is news to me.
I thought it was just like a good bathroom reader that everybody got behind.
I didn't know he was a kuk well.
I think at that time what he was saying was like just vague enough that you couldn't quite parse, like, you know, maybe what his ultimate worldview was. And I think also just like the shorthanded like New York Times.
Good, Yeah, New York Times good, we should all just think a little bit more like economic economic economists.
There and UI all over and U I all over all right, Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
And we're back. We're back, and if I seem a little distant, it is because I'm coming to you from the like fifteen seconds in the past. For some reason, there's a fucking long ass lag that is happening. I'm pay that hearing everything everybody says. Ten seconds later, I apologize to our guest, I apologize to my parents. I'm better than this, I promised.
Didn't apologize to me, though.
I apologize to Miles, of course. I just feel like you're used to it at this point.
Yeah, the non apologies, Yeah, a little too used to them at this point.
All right, should we talk Oppenheimer? Well, I don't think, Miles. You haven't seen Oppenheimer yet?
Nah?
Nah this week though, this week I will go to look at Killian Murphy's spooky face and imax, I.
Think spooky face. I need his botox beautiful face.
Wait, hold on, okay, wait, what so you Killion He doesn't look haunted as fuck to you.
Yeah, but maybe that's my thing.
Okay, I'm just making sure we're seeing the same thing. I'm not. I'm not knocking you if that's what you're into. But I'm like, he he haunted. Uh but I get that. Then that's why he stays working because you can't fake that face like.
A good, hollowed out husk of a man person.
Yeah.
Yeah, have you seen the pictures where people like took pictures from the front row of the Imax.
And it's like it's just so warped because it's just a wall wall sized close up of his face and it's like, man, his right jowl is really the star of this shot.
They shouldn't, they shouldn't. They shouldn't sell seats that close to the fucking screen, because I saw a barbie in the second row and I was definitely testing like the limits of like what is too close to a screen because it's like a bigger screen, and I was like, my head was like jerking around. But then also, like the perspective does shift a bit when you're the viewing angles so acute. Anyway, why why am I going to
complain to the capitalist theaters? It'd be like sell less seats, okay, to make the experience better for everyone.
Find if you just stand on your seat and in an athletics position and then just look back and forth really fast the whole time.
That helps, Yeah, blends into one image.
All right. So Oppenheimer as we mentioned on our weekend digest as making way more money than anyone expected. Currently has ninety four percent approval rating from critics and audiences on Rotten Tomatoes, and it's coming under some heat for some things that it just kind of glosses glosses over.
Yeah, I keep I feel like this week I've seen NonStop articles about like like what the movie gets right and what is made up? Or are the things like here's the real Oppenheimer story or you probably didn't know were not there in the Oppenheimer movie that seems like to be a lot of taking up a lot of space right now as people watch it.
Are the articles like they actually dropped those bombs on pans, Like do you see how big those things were and like super hot. They don't know if you know this, but like that's those bombs like killed a lot of people after it wasn't just him having sex with Florence Pugh all the time in front of Congress.
Yeah.
Yeah, But so I guess Oppenheimer illustrates the devastation and his guilt only through like subjective visions that Oppenheimer has. The whole movie is told from his perspective, right, like stays on the perspective of Oppenheimer himself, which conveniently allows a movie about one of the greatest horrors in modern history to be blockbuster entertainment for mainstream audiences.
Right, it's like, but he was so conflict when he made it though, just so you know, but also people's shadows were burnt into concrete from the blade.
He felt bad, Yeah, right.
Right, right, Yeah.
I don't know, like hot take, I feel like like it's almost like going to McDonald's, Like I don't go to McDonald's to feel good, Like, yeah, I don't think everybody's going to Oppenheimer to like learn history, Like you're just learning about this weird dude.
Yeah.
I think it on some level, like I get that, like as a as a work of like entertainment, It's like, Okay, there's plenty of like bummer shit you can watch if you really want to like drill down into like the
atom bomb and shit like that. But I think for like when you're talking about someone who's what they're, what they're, what they gave to the world, and you kind of avoid like what that actually ends up being, then it feels a little bit like whoa are you telling the whole story to just kind of focus on him there, because I I think there is so much complexity there that you can make like a good story out of.
But I get why people be like, huh, you kind of gloss over, like what where all that work left? But okay by part of the story, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So one of the details that I writer Jam kind of points out it also gets glossed over in addition to the dropping of the bombs in Japan is the land in Los Almos, where the Manhattan Project was based. Was like, first of all, forcibly secured and indigenous and Hispanic communities were relocated. Lands were seized by armed soldiers who showed up with letters written in English that like the people who lived there couldn't understand because they sent
no translators. And part of the reasoning that the military and Appenheimer specifically used to pick Loss Almos as the site of the Manhattan Project was because competing sites such as in Utah would have meant evicting white farmers, and they also saw the dispossessed Hispanic and Indigenous residents as a potential quote cheap labor force for the Manhattan Press.
Oh my god, so they're like, Okay, once they're displaced, they're going to be desperate enough to come work for us.
Yeah, So like even if you're centering his point of view and like his decision making going into this, it is like you were having to do a lot of work on his behalf to just make him seem humane. And the big thing is like, and this this part feels wildly cinematic, like the sort of thing that Christopher Nolan would have to explicitly be like, man, that would be an amazing thing to show, is that like they knew the area around the Trinity test site was like
far from uninhabited. So they're like all these communities who lived around the like where they set off the explosion, who are not warned about the dangers of the experiments and like so they're like dozens of families within twenty miles and these are like largely poor families and ranch
and farmers. And there were like all these storms on the day that they were supposed to conduct the test, and a physicist warned Oppenheimer that this could be a catastrophe, and Oppenheimer relayed this message to the military by saying, the weather today is whimsical.
Oh, it'll whimsically carry radioactive fallout miles away? Is that what he asks? Very whimsically? Oh, the whimsy of radio radioactivity? Okay, okay, Yeah.
He had that cool quote about being become death destroyer of worlds, burning a hole in his pocket, and he was like, I gotta use this thing, man, Like, this is gonna fucking rule when we set this thing.
Dude, you gotta put you know how thick the glasses are, you gotta put on even fucking look at it. It's gonna be fucking wild. Bro. I love though too that the guy who told him that was in Rico Fermi. Yeah yeah, and Rika of the Fermi Paradox for people who liked to talk about like space life out there.
Yeah yeah, make a story about him.
Yeah yeah, seriously.
So just a little like scene that was omitted. So the a meteorologist warned that the weather that morning was likely to spread fallout far and wide over New Mexico's civilian population, right in the middle of a period of thunderstorm. The meteorologists complained in his journal of the scheduled test, What son of a bitch could have done this? And so as the storm raged in hours before the test,
Fermi warns Oppenheimer there could be a catastrophe. Oppenheimer took a break from the reading the poetry of Baudelaire to relay to the military the weather is whimsical.
Thing.
I love that he's fucking reading poetry, like just being as he's about to like end the lives of people and like, you know, poison generations.
Right right, right, because yeah, the fallout is like a still a legacy to this. Yeah, I definitely know about it.
It affects people's DNA.
Also, that quote is so corny, like why, like I don't know if you're like quoting what the fucking death thing? Like that guy shouldn't be allowed to make decisions, I don't know, right right, he's.
Like, but he's gonna help us flex our power on the communists. That's the real big part of this too.
Yeah, So they went through with the test. It was essentially a dirty bomb by today's standards, because it like didn't succeed that well. I think only there was like twenty percent of it that didn't go off, or maybe it was only yeah, yeah, twenty percent of the core went off and the rest was you know, scattered across New Mexico and beyond literally ruined a batch of film at a Kodak factory in Indiana that's close by.
Based on my rough geography and knowledge of the United States, so they're New Mexico and it blew all the way to end. Oh no, that's very wow.
Yeah what.
Oh boy, that's twelve hundred and sixty seven miles from the middle of New Mexico. Dan okay, so huh huh all of Middle America.
Yeah right yeah, thikes yeah, And like that wasn't as far as it went. That was where it went and ruined a batch of film, like right, That's how it was still that powerful that far away. The military collected radioactive fallout and you might you might assume that was in order to document and make decisions better, but it was totally just based on like legal ass covering. And for thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site,
they were awoken that morning. So this is the detail, like this is the most cinematic, like fucked up depiction of this entire experiment that I could imagine. So the thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site are awoken that morning by a goddamn nuclear blast that a thing that like has not been possible, doesn't exist as far as human assumptions about reality, like human understanding or has been right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Most of those people didn't even realize what had happened until the news of the bombing of Japan and their land crops, livestock, and water were irradiated, leading to generations of people suffering from various types of cancer in the weeks after the test. They were never advised that their land crops, livestock, and water may may have been contaminated. Like,
it just feels like that's all incredibly cinematic. Yeah, but we can't tell the story from the perspective of the people and have to do like the Great Man theory of history, where everything's controlled by a protagonist who is sitting with detached amusement and reading poetry and you know, making massive decisions that affect the lives of thousands of people in millions.
Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah.
Honestly, Hales Have Eyes had a better They did a better job of depicting the impact.
Yeah, truly, The Hills Have Eyes is a story for the people about the downwinders from the fucking Trinity blasts. Yeah, and like again, it is wild too, because to tell that story you have to reveal a lot about the United States government, about how commerce works, about the motivations to just be like, yeah, we're actually don't want to displace white people. We want to displace like Hispanic and Indigenous people. We don't care about the poor people downwind.
And if they try and come with us with evidence that they've actually suffered because the test thing, we're just gonna fucking turn a blind eye because those people have no they they they've never had and never will have any kind of financial recourse due to what happened there. So that's that's most they'll come work for us. So yeah, exactly, it's like, hey, if you want, we'll test your body for a couple bucks. Huh. That could be fun.
Yeah.
It kind of reminds me when my sister and I we went to Vietnam and we went to so over there they call it the American were not the Vietnam War.
Yeah, And like the pictures in the museum are so.
Much more horrific than anything you've ever been taught over here.
It's not a gi with like a sleeveless you know, fatigue jacket on with cigarettes in his helmet singing fortunate son. It's like, yeah, and that's what it was. We don't know about chemical warfare of these other terrible things of napalm and shit like that, right, right, yeah, yeah, that's always like that's always it's That's what's funny, is like
that's what I guess. It makes sense because America, like the film industry, is not always going to really crank out those real sort of sober eyed depictions of what are like imperial wars end up looking like on the other side, it is going to be like, yeah, there's Oppenheimer, he did that, and yeah, maybe it was kind of like these guys in Germany kicked some butt and then they came back, and there's still just kind of like we're always we're not left with like a real total
telling of like the humanity of war. But hey, that's for the European filmmakers to do, because they have fantastic anti war films.
Right, Is this.
Movie funded, like I know, like Top Gun has like military funding behind it? Do you know if like Oppenheimer does.
I don't know, I mean, unless they're usually like it happens because you want to use the military's toys and They're like, fine, if you want to play with our toys on camera, then like we have like a sayance and stuff. So I'm not sure with this one, but i'd imagine I'd imagine there was some consulting on some level, probably, but yeah, I have no idea.
There's an election coming up.
Yeah, right, we'll see how this is used for. I don't know which party will benefit from Oppenheimer. It seems like Barbie is definitely being used by the right to beat the culture wars to death, but I don't know yeah about Oppenheimer yet.
I Mean, it is crazy, like the people who are called the down Winders, who are like directly affected by this, like the fallout, like the government won't acknowledge or compensate those families. Yeah, that them specifically, they're it's like yep, nope, that never, we're not talking about that.
Yeah, I can't hear you. And yeah, so they.
Again feel erased by history due to the film's glaring emission of their story and erased by the government, and like Biden last year extended the government's Radiation Exposure Compensation Act, but it still doesn't cover anyone affected by the fallout from the Trinity test, and some lawmakers are trying to use the movie's popularity as a way to finally change that.
But so like maybe there's a good thing that could come out of this, but it's it doesn't seem like it's based on sort of the narrative trajectory of the movie that that would happen.
Right right, right, Yeah, I mean we see this all the time, like just cancer clusters that pop up near like EPA super fun sites or like or how long it takes for like the EPA or the government to be like, oh yeah, that is a cluster of cancer cases that was caused by something that happened like in La like where the Jet Propulsion Laboratory is, you know where they were like doing a lot of work trying to figure out how rockets, how they can make shit
travel very far to just either destroy things or send things into space. That contaminated a lot of water like in the San Gabriel Valley. That meant and there's like these cancer clusters that popped up that took a while for them to be like, oh, yes, this is okay, so we need to put like a full time water treatment like everywhere near this place, because yeah, we were too busy, like playing with chemicals to figure out how
to kill people better. It just feels like I can't imagine for every like the groups of downwindows there are, there's you know, there's plenty more. I mean, we think of how long it took for people even in Flint, Michigan, to even be acknowledged.
Yeah, so sorry, I'm just googling how far the propulsional laboratory is from my house when happen.
Oh, this is in the sixties. It's fine, it's fine, You're you're, you're, you're completely different water district, So it's okay. People in Pasadena and lakean YadA, flint Ridge and Alta Dina that are typically the ones that we.
Don't like that anyway. The parking is terrible.
Yeah, and they didn't let black people own property till very late in the game. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have our feelings there.
Well, Kigy, such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all the good stuff?
Yeah, thank you guys for having me. I am on Instagram as It's Keith Anderson. My podcast Indecent Mkeig Anderson is also on Instagram as indecent Keiky and you can stream us anywhere.
You got your podcast?
And is there a work a media that you've been enjoying.
I'm watching Righteous Gemstones right now.
My boyfriend loves it, so it's very like BROI humor, but I'm getting behind it.
It's fun.
Have you watched all the seasons of it?
We're on the most recent one.
Yeah, okay, yeah, I still have to watch. Well, that's it's three, right, season three now? Right?
Yes?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm waiting till Yeah, it was that complete before I dive back in, because yeah, I love that show.
Danny McBride, he's a genius.
Miles, where can people find you? What is a work amedia you've been enjoying?
Wherever you have at based applications Miles of Gray gr a W. I just find me there. I'm doing shit. Also, if you like true crime, I got a new true crime podcast out called The Good Thief where we talk about the search for the modern day robin Hood of Greece, which is a really dope story, so please check that out. You can find Jack and I talking basketball on our
basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got Mad Boosties and I'm talking ninety day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra on four to twenty day Fiance, and some work of media like I'm Not Gonna front Man, the Steph Curry documentary, underrated, pretty good, pretty good, not gonna lie. I mean, I think it was not that I was going in to be like this better suck or I'm not a Curry hater by any means, but it really helps underscore, like how exceptional he is, so inspiring story and a guy who respects
his mother. We love to see that.
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I think let's go out on this track from a band that only put out like two songs called lyon Uh, And I think people have probably heard this track like it gets around. It's called You've Got a Woman, and it's like a really dope track because it was like this Dutch progressive like frog drummer wanted to put a band together and found this vocalist and they put together like this psychedelic soul track and it's just like it.
I don't know, it's like one of those tracks you listen to and you're like is this now or this was from the future from the past, So check this out. This is Lion with You've Got a Woman? All right.
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