"Why Billionaire Apocalypse Bunkers Won’t Protect Them” 10.03.23

about the poor people rising up. And we've like we've touched on like people buying properties in New Zealand and like these like billionaire escape bunkers and things like that, and so when we were wanting to sort of discuss this further, it was like it was just great to like sort of see your work sort of completely overlap with that, but also have like a larger look at like it's really not so much about the bunkers themselves, but the flawed thinking around even wanting a fucking bunker

to escape it all. So, yeah, we're really stoked to have.

whole point of that scene it's a comedy. It's a comedy. This is laughable. These guys are nuts, right yeah.

And but the weirder thing is like he's an effective altruist. He's he's basically one of these people who believes that the human beings alive today, like the eight billion people around we're just like the Larval stage of humanity. We're like the maggots on the original medium, and the ones that matter are the posthuman ais that are going to spread throughout the universe. So if you have to make choices now that cause pain and suffering for these little

eight billion worms. It's okay because the super ais are going to be are going to be happier and.

go to space. It's like the the ultimate deliverance of the American dream, like on a cartoonish scale. But yeah, it's like people, really it does seem to be of the zeitgeist to like buy into this shit still, like we're starting to see some of the magic wearoff thanks to Elon Musk being a public dipshit, but it's it's still a mess. So we're going to dig into all of all of that stuff plenty more before we get

into the content of your book. We do like to ask our guests if there's something from your search history you would be so kind to share with us that's revealing about who you are or what you're up to.

And I guess that's revealing about me, because I'm like, I'm so torn as so I'm not even a COVID scept skeptic anymore. I'm just a COVID confused nick. Right, where did it come from? Is it bad? Is it less bad than they're saying? Is it more bad than they're saying? So I figured I would I would kind of split the difference by finding whatever whatever vaccine, I'll take it. But I wanted to be the least the.

of like listening to somebody's acid trip. It's like, I know it was really good for you, But to me, it just looks like some airbrush thing on the side of a van. Right. It's like, yeah, I'm.

I was at one of those one of those you know, tech bro retreats and a guy, one of the guys who came up with one of the social apps that I'm sure everyone is used once or twice on their phone. Your kids used it more. But one of the guys who came up with one of those apps was asking me if I'm afraid because he's he's been looking at what I've been publishing about AI, and am I afraid that when the Ais are in charge, they're gonna, you know,

come after me for saying negative things about them? And I'm like, dude, all right and he and he said he doesn't publish anything at all about AI online so that in the future the AIS won't attack him. And I'm like, God, if you think the AIS are so smart, aren't they going to be able to infer from your selective removal of all reference? Aren't they gonna be for how you think?

we ever will get to the level of Wikipedia. And a few years ago, Wikipedia was known as like a thing that you can easily hack and like change the data to say whatever the fuck you want, like that that is not a realistic, like you know, way to fact check anything, or it was like shorthand for like the lazy way to fact check something. And now it's like they're like holding it up as as an unattainable goldstone.

I don't have employment as a goal, right, Yeah. I want stuff I want meaning I want to maybe work on things, but employment let's look at let's you know, let's look at some of our underlying assumptions here. So it'd be great. I mean, the thing is that the discussion that AI could create is so much more interesting than the world it would create, because it's not going

to replace the job. It just it isn't. Sadly, that's not at least not how we how we would use it, you know, and we'll just create a new kind of work, which is like consumption, like going to the mall or whatever it is we're supposed to do to keep those things alive.

and that powers their stock price. And I like, in the same way that like the before we had a actual actually functioning internet, we had like the dot com bubble burst, I feel like we might see an AI thing where they try to replace all the jobs with AI and it does an incredibly shitty job, and then they somehow use that catastrophe to then you know, hire fewer people back.

just it's just camouflage. It's just further more layers away. It's like, you know, the dumb waiter. It's like, no, no, the slaves were still there making the food and huffing and puffing the stuff. We don't want to see that. We do always see that, right.

I mean, in my own experience, I've had sometimes sudden rapid transformation where I see the whole thing, everything without acid or anything. I just like, whoa, it all looks different to me now, and I start moving through the world differently, and I feel like our best, our last best chance for sustainable survival is some kind of almost like a global human mind shift that people would just go whoa, what were we tripping on here? And change the way they live. It's like, oh, I want to

make friends with my neighbors. I don't need to consume all this shit. I'm not driving to work. I'm gonna work right here. That that that that that kind of flip would would change everything. So and I do. I think especially when you look at the tech bros. You think that, you know, human beings are the problem and technology is the solution, and they're going to create a new stack or a new this, or re educate us and all that. It's like, no, we are not the problem.

We are the We are the solution. You know, these these systems are the problem. And I'm just trying to kind of help people see that we are underestimating our own capacity as humans to behave our way into a different reality.

hope to see something like that. I mean, I feel like, you know, as like organized labor becomes more and more, you know, as is more ascendant, that people are like in their own way incrementally beginning to sort of shed at least at the very least what they believe is owed to them, right, And yeah, that may be opening like a much more much larger door for some from for bigger changes, for sure, I hope.

put in the garage. You know, it's it's it's like pretty easy. And I know this is how you know, middle and upper middle class people can respond. But you know, those middle and upper middle class people are kind of the ones responsible for whatever happens. You know, it's it's you're not going to be asking you know, the the oh the ten million, you know Pakistanis who are up

to their waist and climate change water. It's like, oh, well, you guys have to change something, you know, say no, they just got to try to water you guys.

kind of do this kind of intellectual dominatrix act. Basically, you know, they bring out right this leftist, a narco syndicalist, cyberpunk asshole, you know, to speak to bankers and tech bros and say, you guys are fucked up, You're doing the wrong thing. Stop stop externalizing your harm, you know, and they, oh, thank you, sir, May I please have another?

You know, And they do that for a little while and then they just, you know, oh, we had rush cof because you know, we're cool and we can take it. And then they go back to doing whatever they were doing before anyway, you know, and maybe take some of my language and throw it on onto the brestle. So it looks like that. So I thought it was one of those, but then it turned out to be this thing, and I didn't I didn't realize it until after. I mean, I thought I was I was getting ready to go

on stage. I thought I was in a green room and they were gonna come in with a little they bring a little clip on mike and they put you out. But instead they brought in these five guys who sat around this table to talk to me. Now, the people think as I told the story that oh, the whole thing was for this five guys. No, the whole thing

wasn't for this five guys. The whole thing was some really wealthy people technology hedge fund thing run by one of those big places that does these things, and they invited out like fifty or one hundred of their best multimillionaire billionaire clients and family fund people to like a weekend at a resort with a bunch of like I was like the only one like me. There was like a celebrity chef. There was a PGA golf pro. There

was a guy who did tennis swings. There was like a like one of those painter guys, like the guy with the curly hair who died. One of those kind

of guys was there. Yeah, and right there was like a tontric massage person, so The idea was they got they got a menu of right, and then it was like, oh, you know Wednesday from twelve, you know to one, you could learn to make an omelet with the famous chef, learn to pluck a guitar with you know, Kenny Loggins or whatever, or you know, do that, or you know, spend an hour with you know mits, you know, top ten futurists through Nuggus Rush Cooff. And so five of

those dudes decided, oh we'll do rush cough right. So that was sort of what the premise of They came in and I thought, I'm doing a talk and they just want to sit around and ask me questions. So it started out like innocently like bitcoiner ethereum, where should we bet on? Or augmented reality or virtual reality you know, or or you know, whole language models or real language model, you know, all these kind of binary questions of which

I'm the person you don't ask that. Actually I'm always right about the shape of the thing, but always wrong with the brand like this. Before your time, I was like Beta max right, not VHF. You know, I'm like copy of serves better than AOL. It's gonna sick, but you knew that like home video was going to revolution, right, you just didn't know.

And so you know, shitty quality tended to win. Like AOL look at them, yay AOL Right that they'd worked for a while. So anyway, they asked me all those and then finally, you know, I'm answering those as best I can, and then they get to like Alaska or New Zealand, you know where should I put my bunker? And I decided I put on my I don't know what court Jester tweak the rich, which is what I do my Dominatrix hat. So I'm like, okay, so you

got your bunker. And the one of them was showing me the plans for his bunker and it's like, it's got this heated swimming pool. I'm like, oh, you know, there's a guy up the hill from me who's got a heated swimming pool and there's always a truck in front of his house with like a new filter, new heating element. How are you gonna get like parts for that heated pool after the apocalypse? He like opens just little moleskin book parts for heated pool. It's all right.

go at any minute. Like okay, so you've got navy seals coming to your to your island. I didn't ask why you know it's not why isn't it Army Rangers? I mean sure, didn't you see the market Mark movie Army Rangers? Are like, yeah, that's on zero dark thirty. Yeah, that was good. I want them.

I mean, that's your your apocalypse is not but or they were talking about having implants and everybody that could also be used as kind of electric shocks that people are doing wrong, things like Navy seals are gonna go. Really, they're gonna like that. So I was just amazed that these guys, right, they're smarter than us, Right, they own these big companies, they're billionaires, they're supposedly smarter, but they're

so dumb. They're they're they're so panicked. And and that was really what maybe want to them go write a whole book or think about this longer, because it's basically, here are the richest, most powerful men I'd ever been with, yet they feel, you know, utterly powerless to influence the future. The best they can do is predict the inevitable event and then prepare for that, so they don't think of the future as this thing we co create. This future

is this inevitability that you then build for. And that's and that and and the idea the hubris. To think that they can build a technology or a spaceship or a metaverse or a bunker and quite literally leave humanity behind was was crazy. But but what I realized, and this was the thing, this was the techy nightmare of it, was that it wasn't just as I always thought. It

wasn't just capitalism. It wasn't just oh, look they came to my beautiful net Wired magazine announce an attention economy and then use the net to abuse people and make sticky websites and surveillance and all that. No, it's that these kind of there's a there's a tech pro psychology that kind of came from the beginning, which was about getting away from people. And I realized they weren't. You know, the climate change was not the reason why they were

building their bunkers. Climate change was the excuse they're using to justify building these these you know, solo paradises. The excuses they have for going to live on Mars away from everybody else, or to build you know, robot sex slaves instead of real people. You know, they want that that that this is not the nightmare for them, This is the dream.

does at this point. Just I think for a lot of people, the dream of the apocalypse is like I don't have to go to work, like, you know, like because you know, it's the thing that people have said that you know, it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism, and like, so, how do I get out of this system that dehumanizes me. Let's just go with the zombie apocalypse because I can't picture anything else. Yeah, but it for them, it's the

same thing, but but in a different way. It allows them to have the ultimate kind of control, the ultimate blank slate where they can build their own society, which seems to be what they like. You describe it as the mindset that is sort of epidemic. And yeah, Silicon Valley, which is kind.

of them. It's think of the New World as as as a clean slate as you're working like x nilo, as if from nothing, and that's the way the tech pros think of it. So, yeah, going to the dark side of the moon, going to Mars, going with somewhere like that, or seasteading, right, putting out all these little rafts into the ocean, and make your own nation. It's kind of like the little rascals when they'd make their

little clubhouse, like no girls allowed. Right, I'm gonna make my own place with my own roles, and I can clone and I can affects with teenagers and know whatever I want because I make my own laws, you know, self sovereign. I'm a self sovereign individual in my own crypto currency and my NFT based society. It's like okay, you know, and that's the problem with you know, they got plucked out of college when they're freshmen right by VCS. They didn't take enough light, right know, they.

going to be protected from climate change. For some weird reason, They've hired like Hollywood studio chiefs and architects and and and agricultural specialists to build this thing, this perfectly high tech, modern like Dubai like renewable city that's going to be

totally sustainable and perfect. The problem was there were these twenty thousand Bedouins living back and forth on that land sustainably for the last what like five thousand years, Right, we just gotta get rid of those twenty thousand sustainable exactly how to survive the PLoP down our sustainable you know, software solution stack. So they got that there are these other ones.

making the three D printers? Where are we getting the plastic goop that we stick in the three D printers? You know, remember when daisy wheel printers and printers came around, Then we got every time there's a new generation of printer, you'd see printers on the curves of the sidewalks of New York, right, get replaced. It's like, no, it doesn't,

it doesn't quite work like that. But yeah, this this mindset is the idea that with really that you can earn enough money to escape the the to escape the damage that you're creating by earning money in that way, or that you can build enough technology to get away from the externalized harm created by building that technology, so you you have you know, even you look at it in the real world, like, uh, you've got all these apps that are leading like teenage girls to like cut

themselves and hate themselves and vomit and be depressed and all that. It's like, Oh, don't worry, we have another app that's gonna solve the problem with that app. Here's a wellness app and a mindfulness app. And you know, it's like, good luck with that, right, You're just adding on more and more, more and more screen time into people.

meta on something and keep going meta. So there's another thing to hype up to get more capital into the stock market, and it's always ignoring like this simple truth, which is like but what if you like, what if you actually reckoned with what what we're doing right now rather than like, well, the solution to pollution is this pollution credit that you can now get and we're selling it on this exchange, and you can also invest in this exchange I've created. And it's never about sort of

like dialing it back. It's always just about how are we going to just keep adding and piling on to kind of you know, to feed this insatiable hunger, to keep just extracting and expanding.

like you put your blinders on and move and move forward, forward, forward. So, right, so you start with something like central currency, which we don't have to go into why why are where that that happened? But central currency is basically one kind of currency that we use, which is interest bearing. So because we use central currency as the one currency, our economy

has to grow. Right, You've got to pay back the bankers every time money is issued, it's issued in interest to pay for the It's expensive, mind, So where do you get the more money? You need your economy to grow. And once you need your economy to grow, well, then you need it to grow faster tomorrow than it did today and faster the day after that. So all these dudes, everyone's looking for exponential growth, and you're right. You don't get that just by selling more pizzas. You could only

sell there's only so many mouths. What you do is that rather than you know, you, rather than sell pizzas, you buy stock in the pizza company. All right, Now, I got stock, and I just put in some money, and that's gonna grow as long as the pizza rea grows. It's fine. If the stock doesn't grow fast enough, I'm gonna buy a derivative of that stock, which is like I could buy the pizza stock three months in the future. So now I've compressed all that time, and yay, now

that's not enough. I can get a derivative of the derivative, and so on and so on. You just keep going meta on the thing before. That's that's basically that's what financialization is. But financialization now is way bigger than reality. Right, the derivatives exchange of the New York Stock Exchange. They had the New York Stock Exchange, and they had a derivatives exchange. Derivatives Exchange got so big it actually purchased the New York Stock Exchange. Right, So it's like the

tail eight the dog. It didn't wag it, it consumed it, right, and it's going to and why where does that leave reality? That's how you get you know, mortgage crises and all this other stuff. So you got that going on in finance, and then the same thing going on in technology, where you've got you know, businesses, and then businesses get aggregated by this website, and then that website aggregates the aggregators and so on and so on. You get Mark Zuckerberg

going from Web one to Web two. Right. Web one was websites, Web two is Facebook. He plays out Facebook. Where does he go after that? Web three?

another one. It's like really good. But if you look on the edge of campus, there's a tent fill there of the people who've been improplished by the very same companies.

leading toward a climate apocalypse. And you talk about how that assumption is purely based on like their mindset of like this extractive kind of their addiction to tenx growth is really what's driving the inevitable move towards a unsustainable world and climate. And like if you if people are able, if like the zeitgeist is able to switch over to this more these more circular economic models. We have enough water,

we have enough resources. That's what we've found over the past Decadeyeah, you know, but it's.

the planet and then I can stop. And when I listen to them, they sound like addicts, you know, where it's like, dude, I just got a drink until this project is done, just until this, just until the next thing. And there is no it actually it's it's now, It really is now. There is there is no next first, there's no next big thing that's gonna say. I was talking to a billionaire who says, Oh, I've got this

carbon capture device. We're gonna put it right on the back of the car and right on the back of the truck and it's gonna suck the carbon out so we don't even have to go to EV's Like, oh good, the fuck luck with that, you know, or oh eco city thing, it's like a pill and you drop it into the water and the city's going to grow out of it. That's you know, magical, crypto perfect city for children and regenerative agriculture, and there's a stack for this

and a stack there's no thing. But it's hard to tell people like right now, how do they start?

in the same place, but you win the argument. So I do that thing about, you know, instead of buying a drill from home minimum viable product a drill from home depot and making all this waste and using it once, go to Bob's house, knock on Bob's door and say, Bob, can I borrow your drill? Right? And Bob is gonna bring a big, thick, matterfucking drill that plugs in the wall the way God intended. And he's gonna come over

and say, Doug, you're a fucking nerd. You don't know where to you don't know where to find a stud. I'm coming over and drill in the whole for you. Right, He's gonna make the hole. It's gonna be great. But then like three days later, that weekend, I'm supposed to have a barbecue at my house. Bob's gonna smell the barbecue, and Bob's gonna think, wait a minute. I went over and helped Doug drill a hole in the wall, and he didn't invite me over to the barbecue. So now

I'm gonna have to invite Bob over. All right, So I invite Bob to the barbecue. That's fine, and Bob turns I know. It turns out he's nice and his wife is kind of nice, and his kids are cool, and they're like, all right, well that's so bad. But now the other neighbors smell the barbecue and they're like, wait a minute, why is Doug inviting Bob to the barbecue and not us. Before long, we're gonna have a

block party and everybody's gonna be having fun at this barbecue. Right, that's the nightmare, Right, that's the downside the brand thing. But now that we're all together and talking, how did we meet? Well, you know, I borrowed Bob's drill. Now people on the block say, you know, I wonder I was gonna need a new lawnmower. But instead of me buying a new lawnmower, what if we just like use two or three lawnmowers for the whole block and we just share the ones we have because I don't use

it more than a couple hours a week. So now we're buying less lawnmowers, buying less drills, and we have more money to start doing stuff. I'm teaching Bob's kid algebra because I'm paying him back for the favor that he gave me, and it's all working out. Someone invariably gets up when I do that in a talk and says, well, yeah, but what about the drill company? Yeah, bad for sale? What about right, and the person who was the job

at the drill company and the old lady? Someone said, what about the old lady who has a pension fund that's dependent on the stock and the drill company for her to uh for her to survive it's like, well, luckily we're going to be taking care of that old lady because now we have a neighborhood, and hopefully we're gonna wind this down. That's why we're not doing it in revolution. I'm not saying everybody today stop buying drill, right,

it's not going to work like that. But slowly and surely, as we replace some of that activity, the power of these giant mega corporations kind of diminishes. This huge, you know, ridiculous global supply chains end up kind of shrinking down, and we slowly kind of turn the corner towards something

more social, more circular, more on the ground. We take some of the weight off government and social service programs to take care of us, We take some of the weight off the climate, off the economy, and all that stuff. All at the same time. The next what I meant by you know, I have more hope in people that people could kind of flip and go, oh this is fun. Right, Yeah, I'm okay with this.

So it almost feels like that we're being delivered from this very powerful, you know, way that we become part of a network connected to other people, made up of other people, Like that's very natural, very human, like how humanity got this far. We're being delivered from that by these powerful people who are like mapping onto us. They're weird thing that is like that doesn't value that, that doesn't see the intrinsic value of that, and it's making us miserable, right yeah, yeah.

industrial age television era. Oh, let's use it to influence people and get them to buy more stuff and all that. And it's like, well, maybe that's not the digital thing. I mean, it's not sustainable. It's too when a digital algorithm can can reconfigure itself in real time to influence your behavior, it's like, this isn't gonna work anymore. This isn't just gonna get people to buy forward cars, right, because people don't even have jobs at ford that where

they can afford a ford Car. It's like this is this is flipped in a different place. So I think we have to stop kind of using media to get people to do stuff and start looking at using media and technology to provide people, you know, some of what some of what they need, which is it's a it's a big it's a it's a big mind shift, but you know what, you know what I mean, this is like a very different media environment that this stuff works

differently than industrial age stuff. We're not just coaxing people. It's if television was more like social media, which is more like say the missionaries, they go to a population and they propagandize them, They get them to worship the new God, and they do a lot of intelligence on them. And then the missionaries send the intelligence back to the crown. And who comes next the conquistadors. Right, they know how to data population works. They've got the intels, they go

in and they get them. That's kind of what the AIS and the digital things are. They're the conquistadors not just coming to influence us, but coming to annihilate and replace us. And that's uh, wait a minute, that's not that's not gonna work. So that's why we have to flip the script and say, well, what you how can

they how can they serve us instead? And this technology could you know I once you start saying wait a minute, once you get out of the framework of how do we retrain people for better jobs once the ais come, and start thinking instead, how do we retrain people for lives of meaning and pleasure and leisure? And it's like, ooh, that would be that be.

when this tech comes online, everybody's fucked. So the only way we can keep them at bay is by giving them like a pittance every fucking month. And that's universal basic income. And it's always interesting to see, like in your analysis, like a lot of these things that we are we're getting preached to us by like these tech people. It's always like it's never actually to solve anything. It's it's a solution that is just it's it, but it's a it's a new product packaged as a solution that

is never actually tended to address what's happening. So we're in this snow, but like this constant, like this never ending thing that only leads to increased like to your point, depleting our resources, you know, degrading the environment. Which for them, it's like, well that's the end game is then it's gonna all break because I'm too good at capitalism, and then I got to shoot the pores.

taxi market. I'm going to disrupt the book market, But what about disrupting the market market asupting that with abundance? You know, It's like this is this is so much easier than writing another clue to make this current system, you know, churn another ten years while you look for a way out. And the other side, you know, like the Koch brother side of this thing. You know, those

guys are the big climate deniers. If you go to an actual Koch Brothers conference, they all believe in climate change. They've got all this stuff on what's gonna happen and the methane gas and the this and the that. But their objective is, don't let us be the only ones who know what's happening so we can prepare for it, while the rest of society is is is told that this is a myth. Yeah, yeah, the very like elitist

thinking that's happening. It's really cynical. Yeah, yeah, the mind and the more that that happens and the more paranoid people get, then they get into QAnon and five g Towers and the Great Reset and that COVID was here to reduce the population of the world. And you know, because I get it, it's comforting to believe there's like an Avengers style Doctor Evil super villain George Sorow's Jew, you know, who's who's controlling the world with his you know,

from the Italian embassy with space lasers or something. But it's like, I know, however comforting that is. It's time to grow up and say, no, no, we are we are in charge here, We're actually this is much simpler. This is much simpler than it looks. The only time we really get into problems is when we're trying to operate at scale, you know, like Zuck or Musk or whoever.

If you want to operate locally, like ninety nine point nine percent of us can operate locally, and we could, let's just dedicate one million people to thinking at scale, you know? Is that enough? Ten million people thinking at scale? It's like, let them go do that, so we could just take care of each other.

let's make this work. And sure enough, it got to a point where it invited all this resentment that we had that race massacre.

cut off either. But boy, oh boy, when you see a lesson like that, when you see the way American farmers got out of the depression, you know, through stuff that really looked like communism and got cooperative land ownership and local currencies, you realize what we need is a more balanced set of economic instruments, you know, different ways of operating where we're doing favors for each other doesn't look like wrong on some level. You know, people these days,

where can we want to do a clean transaction? We'd rather have someone we don't know come in and clean our house for money. Then the neighbors kids are trying to, you know, right, do something.

that really drives home like what we're up against. Where so it's the people assembling our iPhones for Apple are made to use this toxic fingerprint cleaning solution to make the new product, to just make sure there's absolutely no smudges on an iPhone when you open it in the box. When it comes out of the box, it is toxic. It poisons them, but they.

coming up that innovation like we have. Well, like what we found is that if they see the smudges, then like they start to become like get a vague sense of unease with the world.

but like more blatantly. It is their entire business model to remove the workers at the store from our lives by replacing them with packages that just show up and you know, I mean, and they're not high like they have a company called the mechanical Turk named for like that that's a historical event where like a robot beat everyone at chess, but was really just a chess master in a like suit that was made to look like

a robot. So like it's we're up against a lot of very complex things that like knows exactly what it's doing, that is really going out of its way to try to deliver you from having the thoughts that you're talking about of like maybe I should like hang out with people in my neighborhood, Like maybe, you know, maybe maybe this isn't as simple as I want it to be.

Maybe the thrill that I get from opening this box and having an iPhone there that looks like the object from two thousand and one, you know, like that that isn't a thrill that I should be pursuing. But they're working hard, but it does feel like we're getting further and further away from like just fully being absorbed by their bullshit. But I don't have a ton of evidence for that.

And there are there are pills that can help us emotionally survive in a world where we don't have that human contact certain whatever SSRIs and antidepressants and all that. But there's also ones that are sort of encouraging complexity. There's all the new people out microdosing and trying mushroom

therapy and doing other things. Although I'm still confused that you could take a fucking tech bro, send them down to South America and have them to do a bunch of ayahuasca and you would think it would bring their great reckoning and they go, oh, you know, I've got to reconnect with the world and the people and the thing.

But it's like somewhere between their their ayahuasca trip and their their G five flight back to San Jose, they reverse engineer that the friggin' social network they've made is that solution.

You know, anybody who's fallen in love with an anime character knows what that is. But it's it's a stage, right, It's a stage of adolescents, not a fruitful place.

It's just another manifestation of this thinking that is actually the such a destructive force right now and gets into everything from the momentum we've carried into like our our our perception of science and nature and you know, like returning to the womb using technology and things and all these other things. So it's a really great book, and yeah, encourage everybody to check it out because it's it doesn't disappoint, especially if you enjoyed this episode, which I'm sure you did.

which is part of City University of New York. And we're just doing this kind of stuff. So if you want to get a master's in theory and media studies or tactical media, come and will and will and we'll play live.

word that means it's kind of the mindset. It's like techno utopianism and and uh life extension and effective altruism is this paper she wrote called testcrel Hallucinations Psychedelic and AI Hype as inequality Engines, And what she does is she compares the sort of the new psychedelic industry hype to the new AI industry hype and shows how they're kind of the same thing, and both of them are designed to do the same old thing to keep the poor down. And I was just like, dang, I really

hadn't seen it's the same thing. What they're doing, what they're gonna do to psychedelics is the same thing that they did to the Internet in the nineties. They're about to do to psychedelics. Just watch Amazing Miles Where can people find you? What is the work of media you've been enjoying at Miles of Gray all over the place?

I love to see it. A tweet I like is from Mike Kaplan at Mike Kaplan m y Qkapla and who tweeted you never hear about people who are good to the bone, like to hear the bone hear more about them tweet.