Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, twenty eight, Episode two of dirt Ally's I Guys Say production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, March fifth, twenty twenty four.
Yeah, yeah, we found Hey man, it's a scumbag buffet because it's two consumable items have their national day, National cheese doodle Day and National absinthe Day. So why why don't you bust out the sugar cubes and lighter gets your absent on, and then you know, top it off with some nice cheese dudles just to give yourself, you know, a.
Fully balanced meal.
Today is the Yeah, it's.
Like a it's like a like a Cheetoh, it's like a fuff cheeto.
Yeah. I feel like so the way you get cheese doodles. You ever see one of those fireworks that like turns into like a tub, like, Yeah, so that's how those are created. They do that and then powder them in cheese.
Who says America doesn't build anything anymore?
We're the great, the international greats. I feel like cheese doodles have to be wildly flammable. Right, yeah, why not, suspect.
Note, I don't know everything in America's seems like it's like eighty percent petroleum for some reason.
The corn, it's just corn. Man, well, which corn is ethanol? Yeah? Okay, bike?
So I googled cheese doodles to find out what they were, and someone had posted in our slash chips all caps wise, why did you change the cheese doodles recipe?
All caps?
Looks like six or seven question mark and exclamation marks all caps. This is actually a very big thread of people just whose lives have been ruined by.
Yeah, the rocket economy reaches offline and into your cheese doodle bag as we're going to get to Florida. But yeah, before you get into it, my name is Jack O'Brien aga. When I get to the party and I sit in a comfortable chair, then I unsit my pants and up boyd bringo stare till we get to the climax and we're coming again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to sit in a circle? Do you want to scream Winston Churchill circle jerky circle jerkle circle jerk That is courtesy
oh Cleo universe. Shout out to you and shout out to the Beatles.
Song ends with him saying, uncle blisters on my fingers.
I know from jerking off to front of beating.
Off in front John let that's right.
Yeah, this is of course a reference to the fact that the Beatles did jack off in front of each other. And we know that, and I don't feel comfortable knowing it without you knowing it. So there you go. I'm thrilled to be joined as always, I my co host, mister Miles Gras. It's Miles Gray.
Akaa boo in boo out, boo in boo out. Blue in I'm a monster ahead tastes better than the rest blue fequal dread monster head. Still a monster head tastes better than the rest blue fleecal dread. Yeah, my purpose stuit in blue, my poopersun in blue.
Yeah, that's the courtesy of Hugo Bask. Obviously that was to the Tuna machine head by Bush. And obviously that's a reference to my love of blue ice cream. That does affect the color of min of your pooh excretions, Yes, thank you.
It's also it's crazy, but schoolboy Q heard about heard you say that last week and changed the tent. This album to lips, and he was talking about of course both lips, the lips going in and your butler lips. Exactly gross gross, I think, yeah, sorry about that. Our guests love. I love getting like this up top when we have an expert guest. Yeah, just be make sure they know what they're in for. Just pissed off. I wasn't told to prepare a song.
Oh, next time, next time, many next time.
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What's exactly where it's from? Yah, dude, Rudy, Rudy, fantastic album.
Yeah, it's Rudy right with the ape like yeah, yeah.
Yeah, what great song? Great jacks?
Yeah yeah, all right, Well we'll start on a high note, ed, I mean next time. Yeah, we will give you ample time to prepare an AKA that either has to do with fecal matter or circle jerking with the Beatles or something like that, or something.
Of your own choosing.
You can start preparing now just saying that thing very what can I put the Bush's glycerine?
Yeah, Sometimes they just like, doesn't that song say got a machine Head? Yeah, He's just like it's a cool title, and I'm just gonna be like, got a machine It doesn't really the the rest green to they're red right, green to red.
Yeah, not exactly Shakespeare.
No, not quite. They would like come up with a cool word and then just be like I've got one of those.
They're not as good as the Hives though. The Hives are just complete nonsense that. My favorite better is Joko Got a Smoke b Gon a Gong Wow album. Recently it was like this is awful lyrically this, I'm like, I feel I can get to a concussion listening to it. We just want to get listening to it.
Yeah, that's what happens, is I feel like with the Bush Guy it is a little bit. Yeah, Gavin Rossdale is a little bit of the bubble, like the thirty Rock episode where John Hamm is a doctor who's just so good looking that. People are just like, damn, man, you are the best doctor ever. And he like doesn't know what he doesn't know ship He's like, hey, here try my special recipe orange chicken, and it's just chicken
cooked and orange gatorade. Like I feel like Gavin Rossdale is just so stunningly you think, Oh yeah, I think.
He's just a good looking guy.
Gavin Rossdale wasn't he.
I mean, I mean people were definitely over him in the US, in the US and when first hit, when first came out, for sure, I mean he looks.
Like a slightly upgraded Jeremy Clarkson. Come on, wow, I don't know.
I think I get. I gave him a lot of credit once he got with Gwen Stefani.
And he went with Oh so he is the reason why they haven't made a good album since Return of Saturn.
That's right, yeah, exactly, exactly.
Anyways, this is an album talk yeah, no, Ed, how are you doing? Where are you coming to us? From?
Las Vegas, Nevada?
Right?
Yeah?
Yeah, beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada.
How long you've lived in Vegas?
Three years?
Okay? Where'd you live before that? California? Was in Oakland? Oh?
Okay, Wow you went from the East Bay. Wow you really followed the Raiders. Oh yeah, well I didn't do it for that reason, you know. Would you look at the product on the field. I love it here though.
Yeah.
You like to go visit the Immortal Flame of Al Davis and right in front.
Of it the ragious Will to Win. Yeah. Yeah.
When you go there and do the tour, they all say that stuff to you. It's Baganda. It's just like, you can't be you can't be saying that shit anymore. When Maurice Jones Drew was like an exciting guy on your team, it means things have been bad for a while.
Yeah, yeah, man, j.
What is it like living in Vegas? Are you hitting any of the shows? Is that what I imagined to be? Just, you know, rat pack shit every night?
You and yeah plenty.
No.
So I'm a huge homebody. I don't like going out, so I am at home most of the time. But when I do go out, I like to be very precise. I don't like to go out for an evening. I want to go out, have dinner, have drinks, come home. Vegas is so convenient. You can get pretty much anywhere here in twenty minutes. This is great if you're I guess I'm addicted to staying at home and drinking diet cokes,
which is pretty easy to manage. But if you have another addiction, Vegas will find a way to bring it to you.
Oh yeah, or bring you to it. Yeah.
And so this place drives people insane, but was one of the best food cultures I've ever seen. Right, it's really cool. If you are in control of yourself, it's amazing you to death.
Yeah, the economy is like based on so like people who are in control of themselves get to like have better times than they would otherwise, because yes, the economy is fueled by all these people with very difficult problems.
But also it's become a lot more respectable, Like it's a lot more like going out to nice restaurants and shows and music now it used to be when it was going out and making a mistake or five Yeah yeah, yeah, Now it's less that it's the strip's much nicer. Freemont Streets horrible though, people need to stop saying, God, it's horrible that it's also really expensive now, yeah, very strange place.
So it was everywhere it turns out, Yeah, but every Yeah, last time I was in Vegas, I had the thought that this would be a good place to take my kids. So yeah, which the thought I had.
At the Luxor. And you're like, oh, yeah, you go see bodies.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, this sharks like there's a whole thing that's just there's a whole like thread of culture and content that is like just all woven throughout the strip that is like aimed at five to twelve year old boys. There's Times and Michael Jackson, which they're really into as well.
I'll be I don't want to put him in the sentences as boys, That's true.
There's I remember the time when my mom would go with her friends, just like they would go gamble. She would give me twenty dollars or something and be like, I'll be back in a few hours. Yeah, And I was like, Yeah, I can make this work and I combat or something.
Yeah, exactly, all right, Ed, we're gonna get into the rot economy and just that is Yeah, various things that I've learned from reading you and listening to your podcast. But before we do that, we like to get to know you a little bit better by asking you, either, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are, or what is something that you've recently screencapped that is revealing about who you are?
So my thing is if you go to my Google search history, it's like Queens of the stone Age Live four k and then a series of Boolean strings to see if any new bootleg has risen to the top. Because I'm a huge Queen's of the stone Age van seen sixteen times. I love this band. I listened to them all the time. And I just trolled YouTube because it used to be back in the day, back in the day, and I used to find the stuffs going internet.
Get people, email them, I have an FTP thing. You have all this bad No, it's just all on YouTube now, right, So like that is a large part of my googling and that and like someone slash Earnings, like I'm usually looking at like random tech earnings, just like reading Dross and then sitting there like banging my head against the desk, being like, how can this company exist? This is a bad company, right, torturing myself every day?
Do you question from ed is it? How do you exist?
You're like Josh Home, Josh Home earning.
Hey, I just got a spam phone call by the way. Nice cool, a little preview of what we're talking about. Yeah, phones, don't worry anymore. What is something that you think is underrated? Underrated?
Is Vegas is dining scene.
I've lived in.
New York, lived in San Francisco, lived in London obviously, and I'm used to so well London. I wouldn't say it's great dining culture, but I've been around great food cities, and I think Vegas is one of the best in the world.
What are you ly is what do you chalk that up to in the sense of like go to any place there and it's gonna be good, or that there's a high concentration of good.
The amount of the amount of B plus restaurants here is much larger than anywhere else. Yeah, so genuinely pretty affordable as well, and there are some really really really nice high end ones. Bizarre Me is one of the best restaurants in the world. And also every Vegas restaurant has a of like the service is always a bit of extra fun, right, you get a lot out of it, like that, there's a there's usually a little bit of a show, not like something stupid, but they're super charming,
they remember everything that the service culture. It's actually a surprisingly working class c very strong unions here, which is awesome, and the service like love their jobs in most even in cheapest places, Like it seems like a pretty great city for food, and yet people come here and they're like, oh, it's just it's just all chains, and yeah there are
chains here. There's every goddamn chain, it feels like. But like the actual food is great and you can find something pretty good even on really really crowded days.
Like so is this strictly to the strip or are we talking about this is everywhere?
So like what's your favorite because like if a theme restaurant got turned into a city, that's Las Vegas. Yeah right, there's a city sized theme restaurant. It's just cultural cultural. Yeah that's right. Wait, so what's your favorite off strip restaurant?
Just so like you know, we under like just to give me an idea of because I think we all when people go they are always looking like, well, what's on the strip, But there's all like I've had great Thai food. I think that's just on the on the just off the strip.
So this is a bar rather than a restaurant, but the wine patio library, there's the wine it's may just be called like the wine patio. Now it's in like a strip mall. It's my mate it used to be a smelia In took me there and it's it's always quiet, even when there's lots of people in there. Just the vibe is wonderful in there and chill and technically it's not quite off strip but cassa player in the encourse.
Pretty good for Mexican food, okay. My mate used to do the mezcal stuff there and the mescal is fantastic, Like it's just there. There are lots of fun places to go. Jira was it? No jing in Summolin it's a pretty good sushi, okay, but there are lots of like fun places to go and find and Summalin is it very much a master playing community.
It's beautiful.
It's more like Santa Monica than it is Vegas.
What as somebody from outside the US, like, what was your perspective on Vegas before you moved there? And because it feels like I sometimes say what I think, I think one of the things that will be in museums about our specific time in history is the Cheesecake Factory menu because it's just it's maximalist appropriation, which is kind of the main thing that America does. And I feel like, yeah, like you said that, that is what Las Vegas is, but it.
Does things well like yeah, the qualities pret like Yardbird inside the Venetian is one of my favorite restaurants anywhere. It's a chain there in like La and Austin. I love that place. There's just there's tons of and there are cheaper places that are great too. The buffet are pretty good. And I'd been to Vegas a lot before I moved here, like a lot. So I used to go with my film is a nuclear health and safety guy. You used to go, Yeah, funum, So.
We used to. He taught me to. He taught me to.
Play craps as well, which is fun. But I used to go and his whole thing was disciplined. So we just walk around and find fun when I don't know, just the tables are a bit rough and we didn't want to go back to them for a bit. And thus my whole thing with Vegas has always been exploration rather than burning my entire bankroll down. Yeah, And so it's just I've always liked it, and the residential places
are great, Like housing is still decently affordable. I'm sure that's going to change eventually, like it is everywherehere else, But it's a damn side bet than California was. Right.
Yeah, yeah, it's changing rapidly, very quickly all the time here.
Yeah, nothing's affordable in California. That's the difference between us and everywhere else. Not a single thing. What is something you think is over it? In and out, in and out. The one affordable thing in California over it. It sucks.
I'm sorry that burger doesn't taste good.
Okay, I'm British.
Were used to cramp and it's just like the milkshakes are good, but the burgers are just crap. The fries are awful. California people always telling me like acting like this happens a lot. It's like, Okay, look you said this yesterday. Yeah, why did you call me to tell me that? But people will say it's like, oh, it's so good you got and I've had it in the
original place. I've had the various franchises or they're not franchises, various different satellite ones, and it's just gotten there, it's just whatever.
It's not going to shake shack. Yeah, it's not going to cheaper. It's much cheaper than both of those. I know, a Burger van in twicken them. That's better than in and out, you.
Know what I mean, anything made in a restaurant or a kitchen versus.
Scraped off the floor.
Yeah, I mean it's it's interesting too, because most people just say it's fine, rather than you got the point perspective.
You're like, dude, this ship is gross. It's it.
Call me twice now, Yeah, I'm cut in tweeting in and Out twice. Yeah, and protect it was just I was hungry and it was the only thing we could get.
Yeah, it happens.
It happens.
But it's also one of our most popular in and outs or one of our most popular over ridges.
I'd say, yeah, well especially no, not in that sense.
I think it's like anybody who interacts with it, it's it's like it's built up in this mythical way. And then it's like the same thing with like Chick fil A too, it's like built up in a way if you're not around it all the time, and then you're like all right, like yeah, fine, but I'm not like going to change my middle name to in and out like people would have me believe the result would be.
No. It's mainly the thing that's good about it is the price point compared to the quality. Like I think the fresh produce on your burger is really the thing you're like that is unique about it and the low price point. And I mean, my main reason for liking it is because of the Bible versus all my cups which brought me to Jesus.
And you know, I thought they were like weird libertarians or I'm thinking of someone else.
Probably, I mean this fact a little Bible verse. I mean, it's not it's not very specific. They don't have the quote on there. They're just directing you if you want to check it out his hands.
Hey, while you're eating Christ, have you tried Jesus?
Have you? Have you?
Have you considered the fact that this Jesus thing, he loved you so much, he gave his only bigotten son, he gets us.
Yeah?
Yeah, I love getting that commercial during the Souper Bowl Botles. I love that there was a commercial because it's like, who is the person's like, what the fuck is that?
Jesus not familiar and don't care to learn more.
We'll look him up.
All right, ed, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk about what you describe as the rot economy. Well, we've talked about on our show before as like the sense that things that we're served by companies are getting like worse, just every everything's kind of getting worse. So we'll be right back and we're back.
We're back.
And the things that we've talked about getting worse on here that they are endless examples. But it feels like capitalism is kind of broken of late, if you like. Maybe I don't know when exactly it started, but it feels like in the past ten year years it has been absolutely palpable that we've broken away from Like company creates a good product, You want good product because it's good. Therefore company profits and continues making good product. Like has
that that system has broken? And I don't know you've talked about it with regards to Google search. I've read about it with dating apps, But like, where do you usually start when somebody asks you what is the right economy? Where do you usually start?
I think Google is a great place to start, but Instagram is as well. So you go on Instagram these days and you think I want to see pictures and videos and people I follow. What Instagram wants to show you is something else they want to show you. It's much worse than Facebook. I'd say, they want to show you a video ad or like a piece of sponsored content. Facebook does this thing where they only show you like an animated gift of the first two seconds so that
you will engage with it. Right, And this is all because Facebook has matter I guess you call them now now, I'm never going to do it. It's been like three I'm not going to do it in this house.
We will Twitter in this house, in this house.
And the reason they're doing that is because these companies have effectively turned against their users. Now now their whole thing is that they must show growth every quarter, growth growth, growth, And the result is Google Search does not show you results that you'd like. They show you results that Google has regurgitated and messed around so that you'll maybe click a sponsored link, or because a company that has done something called search engine optimization has found the link that
they can trick Google into showing you. As a result, Google is worse, but Google does not care.
Gohople doesn't care? Right?
Fuck? They They still make They make money off the ads by showing you them. If you accidentally click one, they'll make money off that too. And it's why things are getting worse in so many ways. It's why you find companies that keep doing things. Another great example from Google pushing AI into their Google system, despite the AI
not being as good as the already existent Google Assistant platform. Now, they're doing this because they want to show the street that they are in AI, so the street will go, wow, I want to buy and hold alphabet stock. Right, you may think, now put one. Let's piss off the customers. Yes, but that's why Google has something called a monopoly. They pay what's over ten billion dollars a year to Apple, so that Google is the default search engine.
I wasn't aware of that.
So good, so good, It's all so good. And what you're going to do?
Use it bing? Right? Why don't we use bing? Is it just because.
Because it's just as bad, because it's just Microsoft's.
Well, it's the same deal, and the AI with that too.
Yeah.
It is a result of the markets disconnecting from good business. They don't look at companies and say, is this a company that can survive without hiring or firing a bunch of people at once. Is this a company that in the sustainable form of business, one that will grow steadily rather than pop and then potentially drop. No, they just like growth growth growth, growth, growth.
Right, and then eventually it's like make the product worse.
And then well, the product gets worse than the street doesn't care. It's not like they have to put Yeah, we completely ruined Google Search in their earnings, and they don't care. These people don't care. The people who are actually investing at the scale the Google gives a shit about don't really care. They care about They don't even care about profit. I don't know why you even said profit there. They just care about revenue growth, market growth growth.
It all costs and it's why things are worse. And it's why Apple shoved out the Vision Pro half completed, because they just needed to show the street that Apple is still making new things in the gives you a wed damn headache. That's like an unfinished product.
Yeah, talking about that. So Ed, you know reviews tech products and review the Apple Vision Pro and you called it the single most interesting and annoying of technology ever made. Yes, pretty much. You just like can't type with it.
Yeah, so it hasn't on screen well in air, I guess keyboard where you have to like poke it, you have to poke the bits and it just doesn't work very well. You can't really touch it. You can't use your little fingers on it like you were type of knob keyboard. You have to poke at it like a gorilla. It's very weird. And also I tried to use it several times on an airplane recently and it just gave me a headache. Right, And it's insane by the way that this is not a bigger story that Apple's new
thing just gives people headaches. But you know what, the hell who cares? The street loves it.
Yeah, in the street not being crench out Boulevard, but Wall Street, yes great.
And the wider markets yeah, right. And it sucks because the result of this, the result of markets rewarding companies that show revenue growth rather than make good things that people like and building companies sustainably, is companies are no longer incentivized to innovate. They're not incentivised to make cool new things. They're incentivised to find ways to grow their pocketbooks. And sometimes it's profit, sometimes it's just revenue.
Right when did this like inversion happen where we sort of left we completely jettisoned ourselves from like, yeah, you got to make something novel to earn the money that people are going to give you. I mean, because it felt like there was a time where it's like like every iPhone doesn't feel revolutionary anymore.
It's just just.
Something they change one thing that people hated about the last one, like dude, get ready for the revolution or whatever. But when when did that actually become like really sort of maybe not articulated, but really I guess in a way really measurable or noticeable.
So I think it starts since twenty eleven with a guy called Marc Andres and one of the principles andresen Horowitz, a large venture capitalist firm that is very influential in the valley and also one of the early investors in Facebook a bunch of other companies.
He wrote a thing called software is eating the world Now. The people that.
Glanced at it once and said, WHOA, that sounds good didn't really read it deeply. What he was saying in there was that tech companies should not be valued based on their actual financials and what they do and build, but based on a vague sense of like innovation and what tech can do for society, the promise of tech
and the theoretical thing. And then around that time as well, one of the other guys, Ben Horowitz, put a thing out saying, basically put out a blog that said, Yeah, maybe we don't need to just have companies that build sustainably. What if you just had them grow as fast as humanly possible. Imagine what we could sell them for. Very
out with what they thought. This inspired the venture capital community to start investing in companies not just based on whether they thought they'd grow sustainably or otherwise, and whether they'd fulfill a market thing like a market need, but only make them fulfilling market need. Only make them grow to get as many people and live basically on a
form of venture backed welfare. Uber being a great example of a company that turned a profit maybe two quarters in its existence, and they were propped up by venture dollars. They were they used their unfair market share because they could just wade in with low prices. Cut cab companies out not. The cab companies were great, but that's what they used right. And then Uber just grew and grew and grew unsustainably, and now they're just cutting fares for
right for drivers. Now they're screwing the drivers over. The experience is worse. It's harder to get an Uber, and it's more expensive when you do right, and they still deeply unprofitable. Companies like Uber were extremely prevalent in the middle of the twenty tens. That was mostly there was the Uber for everything thing, but every startup felt like
they weren't real companies. They were just stuffed full of venture capital dollars to eat as much market share as they could before they got sold to a public company or merged with another one.
Very rarely, sorry, real quick, I need to take a break. My Washio driver is here to pick up your Washyah.
Was one of them around that.
For Uber, laundry for pet Goldfish.
But something happened around the mid twenty tens when I think they realized we don't really need to try quite as hard and tech just started making promises without delivering them, and the streets still loved them. These companies still kept getting acquired. These Redictus, and a bunch of consolidation happened as well. Qualcomm kind of hoovered up a lot of
the bluetooth technology, Meta Bore, WhatsApp, they bought Oculus. These things happened that didn't seem bad at the time, but slowly tech was consolidating everything, and then just tech stopped delivering innovation at the pace it did, which isn't really its fault. Sometimes innovation slows, but the valuations kept going up. They come on up and up and up and up and up. Yeah, and then it just became obvious that the things that people were valuing these companies but on
we're not really based on reality. They weren't based on them being good. But then the moment they went public, something weird happened. They suddenly started falling apart. They weren't doing too well, and you'd think at this point you'd be like, okay, so maybe this would make the tech companies change their businesses to be some kind of profit generating entity. Oh no, absolutely not. They just learned how
to show growth metrics. Why do you think Snap, a company that has very rarely made any money at all but now makes I forget exactly that I think that they are a billion of revenue. But nevertheless, but they don't make any profit at all. But because they can always grow, grow, grow, and the teens use them. Oh that's a good company. Despite the fact that Snapchat is one of the more insane apps. You opened it recently, It's like a minefield of different buttons and noises. It's like going to the
fucking circus. It's insane. Every Uber there's like eleven different buttons that.
You can hit. Now trying to perversion of Uber. That part of it, right, is to make it unusable so that old people don't figure out.
How to use.
No.
No, it's to try and sell you as much as possible, get as much growth adjacent Metroce's bullshit as possible, and then flog it to the markets. And it works. And it works so well, even though the product is worse, even though customers are less happy, Yeah, because that doesn't matter as long as number go up.
Yeah right, and they yeah, they stop paying attention. So to get the growth, usually they have to build something that pays attention to the user, like actually fulfills the user, you know, interest or something the user wants. But the second they get to you know, going public and answering to Wall Street. It just becomes completely decoupled, and it becomes a thing where they're only paying attention to the people who are speaking for investors or writing, you know, things for.
I have one other thing that's very sad. The real decoupling was toward the end of the twenty ten, which was when venture backstops realized, why don't we just do this growth shit early? Why don't we just stop growing at all costs as early as possible?
Right?
And that's where we are right now. That's why startup investment is around AI. It's like search engine optimization, but for venture capital, people are no longer building companies to serve a market need. They're building companies that they can sell to venture capital who can pump them full of money so that they can sell to a bigger company. And I realize this is all quite complex, but it
really comes down to this. People are no longer building companies, or at least a large amount of them, aren't building companies to sell something to a consumer. They are thinking, how can I appear to have the growth metrics that will get me enough money so I can grow this company into something I can sell right, Yeah, and it sounds very cynical, but it's what It's been happening for
a while. But it's now got to a point where the shark, the shark has been jumped far too many times, and people are noticing, they're very upset.
But it's being sold not to people, not to the people who it's supposed to be serving, right, it's being sold to this third party investor.
There's enough of a product so that a user isn't just literally using nothing, though they did try with crypto, by the way, to do it without that right that companies had no product at all. It was just yeah, look at the AI companies, these generative AI companies, Chat GPT. Chat GPT legedly makes over billion dollars of revenue. Don't know what profit though they're not making any What does chat GPT do? No one could really answer, like, it does a bunch of things kind of but why do you need it?
Right? Right? General purposes. It's a general purpose technology, right, I need.
It to eight billion dollars and this thing it generates stuff that can be kind of useful, but also it sometimes.
Just lies, yeah, just making things up because sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, No hallucinates okay, yes, which I mean it's actually like tripping, and that gives it kind of a cool, fun drug y vibe.
Well, I know when they use that tongue because it's not technically lying because chat GPT doesn't know anything, right, it is it has been trained on data, but each time it is generating an answer based on a dita set, So it can't lie because it doesn't have a concept of truth or information.
Yeah right, it's just yeah, it just it's figuring it out as it goes along.
All. Yeah, so this whole process, Like I have not been on the dating apps, but like reading that. That's something that's been coming up more lately. Is that like match Group I think is like match dot Com bought all the dating apps and they are ultimately you know, people who have been on them for years are like, they are as bad as they've ever been right now. And the companies are incentivized to, you know, basically get you to pay for a version of their product that
costs money, that is a subscription service. So they give you a free version that sucks, get you to pay for a more expensive version. I guess that's the oldest capitalism. But then like, they're also incentivised to keep you single, like they you know, if you get married, they lose two consumers.
I'm actually really glad you bought brought up dating apps because they are the perfect rock economy company. Yeah, ostensibly it makes sense they'd want to keep you on the apps as much as possible. That using those apps, their goal is to keep you on as long as possible as with any app, So really their goal is to fulfill the need of making personal connections. So I haven't been on them over a year, like thankfully Engaged, Thank Christ.
It's horrifying out there. So glad. But these apps used to be like Okayqubid used to be one where you'd send longer messages. Hinch used to be we'd meet kind of normal, weird people. Coffee Eats Bagel was just strange, but it was better than Plenty of Fish, which was a place where you got scammed. But nevertheless, these places where they.
Made it actually is getting scammed from me. Yeah, ooh my god, you took so much of my fucking money.
But by and large, these apps made their money off of the premium subscription, which allowed you to do things like send mold messages. Which made sense. And that makes sense because you get freemium product and then you'd upgrade. However, because these are all by a public company that needs to show growth, growth, growth of revenue of users, what have you, Well, they realized, what if we had a
bunch of micro transactions. So each of these apps has some sort of paid for super like, which means you can really show someone you like them, and then you can pay a subscription so that you can send more messages, do more likes. But all of them have basically copied the Tinder model of the swipe bright Swhite Left. So you're right, they do want to keep you single because the only way out of them is to pay them a shit ton of money. They don't hinge at the
very least. I know that they reserve your best matches unless you pay for them, and they're extortion at the experienced, like two or three dollars per a rose or something. And that was for the like all the like, normal people who didn't have AI generated captions were on there. Yeah, and it was just so straight Well I guess it
was an AI back in twenty twenty two. But nevertheless, these companies now dating apps are no longer for dating, therefore finding ways to convince people to spend as much money on them or trap them in an endless thing where if you're anything less than Instagram level beautiful, you'll
have trouble meeting people. And it's so fucked up because you'd think that they would, you think that this would affect them, but no, they're making more money than ever because people have no other way of meeting other people. Our society is not great at introducing you to new friends. It's harder than ever. An adult friend Finder was not the website I thought it would be. But it's horrifying
because this is every app now. It's the same with Bumble, It's same with Hinge, same with Tinder, Tinder as some like five hundred dollars version. I don't know they just I feel like they make these things up just to get headlines. But I think it's all owned by Match, right, yes, and it's all owned by like one company, right.
So you can't get out of there.
There's there's just like this really interest, there's this disconnect right where it's like, as consumers were like, yo, this shit sucks, Like what the fuck happened?
Right?
But what are they gonna do, right, But then there's like this level of insulation, right for the people that are making the apps, and then the venture capital people who are like, yo, I can make a ton of money on this, and there's like this insulation like really from I guess you know, there's like the market, which is what they're they're like they have eyes towards that. Then there's the people that are using the product they could give a fuck about.
Tinder was one of the last quote unquote good startups. I don't think it was because Sean rat is peculiar, fella, but that was one made before the shift happened.
Right.
Tinder in its original form was swiping right and left. But I don't even think it monetized at first, right.
But I mean, like you know, like and I've heard you talk about this too, is that they're only going by what's being encouraged and all. Obviously the investor class is saying like, if you make the line go up, we don't give a shit what you're doing. Just make the fucking line go up.
Used to go up, money go up.
Yes, So how is it that you know, like, and I think you've pointed, you know, it's sort of like, partially it's because obviously investors they're gonna encourage it. And also the media is not really really critical of what's going on. What's like the consumer piece? Is it just to merely say like, well, we're gonna boycott this thing?
Or what like is or is this completely this sort of all of this activity is happening on another plane of existence where that everyday consumer is like, dude, I'm completely at the fucking will of these greedy.
Well, what it is is monopolies, right, it's monopolies. And the people charged on cass What do you think flying sucks so much? Because all of the plane companies, like, we can fuck them on a certain level, we could, we can all agree that these people are a little pig to make these little pigs.
Pain, What are you gonna do? How are you gonna date? Right?
How are you gonna date? If you want to use Hinge, same deal, coffee, Meeks, Bagel, same deal, Tinder, same deal. All these apps copy each other, and all of these apps move, they all normalize towards a hole where they all kind of look the same but have a slight enough difference, and then people will get all of them because they have no other bloody choice. Google Search, What you're gonna do. You're gonna use dug dug dough. You can use bin right, idiot, No way, what you're gonna
do that. You're gonna use Uber. You can use lyft because that's your real only choice.
That's so grim.
It gets grimmer, It gets grimmer. Think about your restaurants. You know that those door to ash and Uber eats orders, most of these people they have to give up, like twenty thirty percent the restaurants have to give up to the delivery apps. What they're gonna don't have delivery right right? And there are companies fighting that, but consumers don't have choices. There is not strong anti trust in this country. No, no, they stopped Spirit and Jet Blue merging. That was actually good.
But otherwise, the hell else are you gonna do? You're gonna use another one of the dating apps that don't exist. You're gonna use another delivery app. You're gonna use a delivery app which has less stuff on it? Oh, why don't you use Cavea? Oh wait, Caviar was bought by door Dash.
Right, what about post Mates?
No, that's ubery and the Postmates part is gone it's and all of this is making everything worse. Amazon is full of nonsense. Now, Amazon is full of all of these terrible Chinese knockoffs which had names like Google Spook, and then you look and they all have five thousand and five star reviews because they've broken the system. Because Amazon doesn't really care. Amazon cares. You buy stuff and it's cheap enough, and they can do.
It, turning my couch from Google Spook from Google spook me with the lead covering.
That's the thing. What you're gonna do? Where are you gonna find stuff online? Walmart, like I said, Wulmont is now using the party sellers.
Right like it's yeah, it really feels like it's broken out. But beyond tech, let's uh, let's take a quick break because I want to I just want to talk about how it feels like this is part of something bigger that's leaked out into basically everything. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back. And you know the thing about the companies, the people making the decisions deciding what these products actually are and how they interact with the consumers, like that being completely insulated from the actual people using the products or viewing them as piggies who we don't mind if they get sucked out of a out of
a door that pops off. The bowing jet feels like it's of a piece with like you'll read these articles about how economists are baffled, and they're like the old rules of macroeconomics no longer applied, Like just look at the pandemic and the you know, there was supposed to be this massive recession because fucking everything shut down, and yet we kept these good economic metrics throughout or like the you know, the stock market never fully crashed on us,
and we're we're baffled, and it just feels like the whole thing is part of the system where the people who are at the very top and who are like involved in the stock market are completely insulated from everything going on below. And yes, it's all like it's that as much as it is like a problem with tech, and tech has made it has been like the thing
that has allowed the disease to spread more quickly. It feels like it's good old fashioned just like yeah, like monopolies and like all the shit there was a problem in the early twentieth century, late nineteenth century. It's just like you just have these people who are making all the important influential decisions who are one hundred percent just decoupled from the people who their decisions affect.
Yes, and that is the overwhelming problem and a symptom of an economy ruled by weak labor standards and we anti trust right and the market, you're right, is a problem. Outside of tech, Boeing being a great example of a company that just wanted basic safety, Tesla another great example. They're not they are not a tech company. They are a car company. Elon Musky's trying to claim they're an AI company because he's just a crook and a lion, that's all he's capable of doing.
Right.
Tesla is a great sample as well of just like a stalk completely decoupled for it. It's a meme stock at this point, but.
It's such a successful me. I mean, it's a meme stock that has made is the richest person in the world, right, Like that that was yeah, But can you just talk about can you talk about like what how people perceive Elon Musk? Like my dad will say to me, like Elon Musk is, like, I mean that guy must be so smart, right he Like I've even heard this from like people who pay attention, like work in finance, and are like, I mean the guy disrupted like three major
markets in the course of like a couple. You know, they're the I think the public image of him is this like Tony Stark, you know, once a generation genius, and like that is how he like he invented Tesla in his garage or some shit, Whereas like, you know, he how did he actually grow his fortune? What is the thing that he's good at? I think you've like compared him to the CEO of Google, Like they're good at the same thing, which is creating the illusion of growth.
That Elon knew is a marketer and his heart he is an operator and a marketer. He is good at mobilizing capital and good at convincing people to put money into other things unless it's a consumer product, right. He has never done well with any kind of consumer product. Car He has done like largely because he knows how to hire people, or at least he did before he went crazy. He has always been kind of a shithead. That's also an important thing to know. He has never
been a great guy. The myth of Elon Musk being the super genius that invented Tesla is also wrong. He did not someone I forget who there's a cup front for. There's a couple of people who actually designed Tesla's and found at the company. Elon came in with money. He was just he invested and you know what he invested well, and he's been a champion for this, but he's also got lax labor standards, horrible racism problem over it. This has been what he dogpiled the report called Aaron Bieber
in like twenty seventeen. I believe he has been this guy forever. But what Elon is good at is hype. And he realized in like twenty thirteen that the press
would pretty much print anything he said forever. And hears that again and again and again in a way that should not be legal, right, Like, I'm actually really like that if we had a strong enough sec to actually like, surely there is a side where it's just a guy being like, yes, so we put the first neuralink chip inside a person, they can now see the future, And it was like, yeah, let me just put down to the NBC dot com that sounds.
True to me.
This guy is a liar, But people are printed his shit forever. He promised Autopilot like three years before it even got close to existing. He has made up stuff about Tesla for over a decade. He is just a liar, but he's realized that this is how shit works, that people are just like people will just ball for this ship, and people will why his lies. He hasn't really corrected the record that he isn't the inventor of Tesla, despite
the fact that he didn't invent Tesla. He didn't invent any of the SpaceX stuff, right, he didn't invent the Starling thing. He didn't invent any of this stuff. He's just the hype man and that was better before he was Like what if I wanted to just posted something Hitler adjacent on Twitter, that'd be great.
Like he's just I.
Actually genuinely think as well. People turning against the tech industry, people being anger at tech, have done so because they've kind of seen what he is, what Elon is, the kind of person he really really is, and how little value he actually has, and also they've seen how poorly he's run Twitter, right, right.
Yeah, is there like you know, like with all this, like we all know basically there's just it's all this illusory shit. It's just to give the like the feeling that there's growth, but not offering a product that actually drives it and the and people are investing more and
more but into something that like doesn't exist. What does it look like when it, like the market corrects or the bubble pops or will it or they're so deep in it, like, because I'm trying to like, what does that reckoning look like for people like Elon Musk and things like that Musk less.
So though I think Twitter at some point will have a reckoning, I think it is inevitable that this company burns more money than it makes, and also with the fact that Elon now has to replace multiple members of the board of Tesla, right But the thing that I think is going to be the reckoning is artificial intelligence because right now they're trying to put generative AI into everything, a product that no one really knows the reason why it exists, but they're putting it into everything.
And the way that.
This is growing revenue is Microsoft invested in open ai and Google invested in Anthropic, the two largest model companies, So that's guaranteed revenue those companies have to use them now bookable cloud revenue. As the AI industry grows, so does their revenue guaranteed, no antitrust law to stop them from literally just investing in a company that would then invest the money that they just invested back in the company.
It's a horrible circle. The reason that I think this might fall apart is because they're also scaling up their data centers to match this demand. Because AI is extremely compute, sent demanding. It's extremely demanding. You cannot just run it on your computer at home. You need specialized chips, and you need a lot of them. And so as they massively scale this system that's deeply unprofitable, Eventually people are just going to not use it if it's not useful,
if it really isn't actually useful. So suddenly you're going to have companies like Microsoft and Google that invested billions and billions of dollars and hectares of real estate for data centers, and they're going to find themselves with their dicks out. They're gonna be like, oh shit, we put
all this money into something that no one wants. I think that will have a severe enough correction that things will get slightly back on track or it destroys the entire tech ecosystem for a few years and everything's kind of screwed.
Hil. There's a big.
Chance of that because this stuff doesn't make any money. None of these things are profitable, none of them, not one of them. And if users, if users stop using it, even if they're forced to, what's left all of this real estate, all of these data centers in videos market cap, Where the hell does all this money go? It doesn't go anywhere. It will affect the tech industry and it will be bad. And I think people are laughing. People are kind of done with Generative AI already, Like a
regular person does not know why they need. Chad gbt the seven million dollar Super Bowl commercial for Microsoft's co Pilot AI. They had a thing in there where it's like, do me a logo of a classic truck, Mike's truck. If you actually type that into chat into Microsoft Copilot and chat GPT. Generative AI can't do letters.
It can't do.
Letters, so it's like massa but it looks like a thuluyah And it's another thing. And there's another thing in there where they're like, oh, do the code for my open world game. These aren't ideas. No one's doing this, These aren't normal people things that people. No one's all that, and was like, wow, I can now make an open, woke game. No one's not fucking stupid, or at least if they all, they'll do it and then nothing won't happen.
So I remember this one story where I was like, like, I talked to somebody who's familiar with Marcus was like so much of like the market growth I forget what year it was, but was like propped up by AI stuff, and so I was like looking, I was like, so what does that mean? Because nobody really knows what AI is? How is it being propped up? Like how how is
that translating to value? And like one of the metrics that they were using was like all about a user adoption of chat GPT and how it was like the fastest adoption, like faster than TikTok, faster than any social media up to this point. And it turned out to be bullshit, Like it was internal numbers that were bullshit that they were lying about. But the thing that was exciting and that got people excited enough to like invest money was the lie. And so that's still the thing
that just lasts. Like it really feels like in addition to you know, the them being the input of information coming from the investors, like they're also controlling it so that no bad news gets circled into that system. And it's just this like bullshit economy that just like cycles back and forth in the top and like won't it won't allow that input of information that all of this is bullshit, and then people aren't using it.
Really, I feel like what's going to happen is this push, this big lie that you're correct about, by the way, is going to have something bad happen as a result of it. If you remember, back in twenty twelve, Night Capital, Night Capital was a hedge fund that, due to an incorrectly installed algorithm, invested billions of dollars in stocks it could not afford. It lost them about four hundred and ten million dollars. They ended up having to sell for parts. Yeah,
something like that to people time. Yeah, well it wasn't even falling the people. It was just it never stopped buying. That was It's a quite complex thing, but the algorithm was off, so it didn't have appointment. It stopped buying stocks. It just bought way too much. Haven't we all been there?
But something like yes, I feel sick, something.
Like that is going to happen though. Yeah, and Gemini, which is Google's generative AI, they had a big problem where you typed in what do the founding fathers look like? And it generated a black guy, a black like the concept of like a Chinese George Washington is terrifying to be these woke, like anti woke guys. But that was actually significant enough that summed up a shy this year
of Google had to say something about it. I think something bigger and worse happens with someone who adopts generative AI that destroys the company. I think it it does something so significant that that scares the market. Because there was a Wall Street journal story a few weeks ago where they were saying, anthropic and open, we're having trouble selling their stuff because of the hallucinations, because these mistakes
it was making. And in the article it's great you can see the journalists trying to be like, so, how are they going to fix this? And the quotes were like, well, at one point, we'll tell the model to not say anything if it doesn't know for sure, and then the next thing with someone saying yeah. But the problem is if you tell an ai that sometimes it will just stop answering at all. Go no, mate, I don't trust myself right now. It's like taking someone's keys away when
they've been drinking. But that's the thing. At some point, people are going to notice this doesn't do anything. This is not They want this to be the next there's a phraser. No one ever gets fired for buying IBM, right. They want this to be that, but it isn't useful, and every person who's a big fan of it, it's like, well it will be and then you ask how, and they're like, I am really sorry. I got to take a phone call. I'll be back in three hours. Please
don't wait here. I do not have an answer, And it's just I also think that this is over willingly. This kind of stuff is becoming more and more obvious for the regular people, and they're going to get angry. I'm angry about it.
Yeah, No, I think everybody should be angry about it. I just don't know, like it feels like they have built this system to insulate them from our anger at this point, and at a certain point, I don't know what it looks like what the what the event is that makes it so they can no longer ignore that anger, because yeah, I'm definitely a product of having grown up in this system, and you know, my first memory is being like Clintonian, you know, bullshit, and just like not
being able to imagine something different. But something different is definitely coming.
I think that it's just you're going to start seeing the Facebook advertising model breakdown. Yeah, online advertising is becoming less profitable and less useful. As though as that starts dying, the tech industry is going to realize that they've got a big problem when when Meta's market cap goes down and when AI stops generating revenue, when it stops being the buzzy thing that you have to install, that you have to integrate even if you don't know what it does.
What happens, then what's up? Mark Benioff. Every time, like I think, at least once a year we'll say that AI is now in Salesforce, and he has done so since like twenty sixteen. Every year Right Sales Sports claims that has AI in it. It is just a giant con. At times, it feels like that, and it feels like I know it sounds a bit conspiratal, but it feels like they're laughing at us on some level.
Yeah, well, yeah, I feel like they're also scared, right, Like they they should need to, so they need to allow Google to become a monopoly and like, you know, just abuse the smaller companies to remain profitable because Google is too big to fail, because all of these companies are already like that lie that you're talking about, that like that crashes the economy, like and that is the thing that everybody's on the f that's resident down to you know, the top point two percent of the economy
like can't allow to happen.
But even then, Google doesn't need to operate like this. They make like ten billion dollars of profit quarter, right, they don't need to run like this. The economy doesn't have to run like this. Tech companies were plenty profitable before, and there are ways to do that.
Uber.
The thing that really frustrates me about Uber is had Uber been done slightly differently and much slower, it could have been the single most disruptive and important tech company of all time. Had they done everything they did but made it so that this is the crazy thing. Had they done like labor rates baked into it would have made them less money, would have made them slow. But just charge them, charge people more. People would have paid more.
You would have created a new class of employee. Yeah, one covered one protected a massive change in labor. That company would have been worth several trillion dollars just to Yeah, would have taken them twenty years to get there, but
they would have been. Instead, we have this massively unprofitable, labor screwing piece of shit company that has the monopoly on cabs because cabs were built on another kind of exploitative system, the medallion system, right right, And it's just things can change, And indeed, I think they will through awareness alone, because when I did the first Rock Economy episode, I've got so many emails people being like, oh shit, I didn't know that. I feel that more people knowing
will put that pressure around there. People will stop using these products, and as users stop being interested in like these dogshit products, things will change.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just more about creating enough of the awareness around it, because I think most people get caught up in the razzle dazzle of it all, and you see, like even the people who you know, like it's like, we're a country that's ran by older people who don't understand technology, so they're not with they're not understanding what the borders should be or the guard reil should be.
So that creates this environment for people to just completely shift the thinking to be like, rather than you know, like making a product, what we need to do is like sell one of those companies, because that's how people talk and it's not about making the thing. It's like, yo, man, we've got to create a company we can sell and
that's just it. And because of that, there's no value in it, and it merely just becomes about the act of making said company and then flogging it to side and a ton of money.
I will wrap it.
Up because I know I've gone on and on about this, but the actual thing that I think this comes back to is a societal problem with the concept of business itself. I think that they we have lionized big companies over good companies.
Yeah, yeah, I go.
I run a small PR firm and I have in people for years like you need to scale, and I'm always up why and they're like, because that's what big good company is big? Yeah, it isn't a big we lionize managers and management. But I think especially the pandemic proof there, it's very obvious that the managers and the CEOs don't do the work right. Yeah, and I think there's a labor awakening. It's slow, but it's happening that will change almost every step of everything.
But talking about now, this whole conversation has been you know, having worked at and run Cracked back in the day and just you know, it started out as this website that had these really good articles because we had like a handful of really talented people, and we kept like bringing these talented people into focus on making the good product.
But there was also these people who were like focused on doing the ads in the sidebar and like making those ads trick you into thinking you were clicking on content. And that is what the entire Internet became. Like the people who made the content got choked out, and the people who do the sidebar fake ads that trick you into thinking you're clicking on content where you're actually clicking on something that is going to fuck your computer.
And yeah, you know who go off of Reddit, a community entirely made up of free contributions. Sam Altman right, he made four hundred million dollars. Yeah, like Dad is the guy, not the moderators, not the redditors who made the Internet better for their redditing. I guess you'd call that no, Sam Altman a guy whose only role at that company was to put money in at one point.
This is something that I feel like if more people are aware of, they will turn on the tech industry and they bloody well should Yeah.
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I'd been listening a lot Queens of the Stoneages in Times New Roman, which I realized as a band I've now mentioned too much on this podcast, came out late last year. It's an amazing album on midd last year. It's an amazing album, but I stopped listening to it for a few months because I'd massively overplayed it and then just got right back into it. I love that band, so it's like their second best album. It's really something.
What number album was that that cat was at the first seven? Oh wow, man, okay, I think after the one that Dave Grohl drummed on.
That was sort of the when I stopped.
Yeah, that was song the Deaf that was the second one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing. Miles, where can people find you? What's work media you've been enjoying?
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Just a grim tweet.
Because there was a recent study that was like, there's not a placenta on Earth that doesn't have microplastics.
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