Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty.
Episode four of Daily's I Gustay production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Friday, January fifth, twenty twenty four.
That's too many that's come on, boo nah, that's way too many number.
That's like buff buffer overflow error number of years. Right. If we were on like a four bit machine, we'd be done.
Well. My name is Jack O'Brien aka Soakang Time. Sex is not allowed, but check out this loophole. I just read Soakang Time, put the P in the b and have all the homies jump on the bed. So Kang Time might seem strange, but you'll still get a planet when you are are dead. I know how to abstain and still bone. That is courtesy of Resik. A throwback. I think Resik sensed my displeasure that we were in the year twenty twenty four and gave me an aka from a subject we talked about. I think back in
the late eighties, a little long time ago. I love you. I'm just curious how that came to you. Resik on the Discord like you're just like, oh shit, remember that story they talked about years ago? Anyways, thank you for that. I'm thrilled to be joined by a very special guest co host hilarious, a brilliant TV writer producer. You know him from the Joses Raises podcast. It's Andrew two. I just want to take a moment to.
A happy New Year to all the sun worshiping freaks in the white community. I don't know what you know, what you guys got going on, but happy New Year.
I guess shippers.
Yeah, he freaks weird mode life forever the l A true calis Well Andrew.
We are thrown to be joining our third seat by a very talented writers, stand up comedian podcast host of The Bechdel Cast, which takes down the patriarchy one movie at a time, and it is just one of the best podcasts in existence. Also happened to have a master's degree in film. The most anagrammable name in the English language such as nine tit Dracula. But when you read the name, when when you read the letters in order, it is Kaitlin Deruta, Yes.
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Danswer Uti Caitling. You were just on you're on like the last episode that we did before the break and I'm back baby, the Fuck Around episode. What a great time was that was so fun? And now, unfortunately I regret to inform you this is the photographic negative of that episode. This is the all business episode, just hard news stories one after the other, everything from images of Steamboat Willie piloting one of the planes into the twin
towers to Steamboat Willie drenched income. We're covering it all, folks, all the stories that happened over the break. That's that's basically it. We're just gonna talk about how Mickey Mouse hit the public domain kind of. And then there's a controversy bruin in the world of socks, socks or no socks in bed. I've been told this is I don't know, I wear socks about. I'm just gonna come out and say it, and I've been told that is unacceptable. But yeah, excited,
I knew. I like everybody sees to it's wild. I just there's like this op edge in the Wall Street Journal or something in the headline was like, if you sleep in socks, you're a psychopath. Health kicks up controversy and okay, I was like, wow, that's that's so aggressive, right two people, and they were all like, nope, it is correct. It is in fact, scientifically accurate. You need to get out of it.
Well, not when you do it my way. I have a very particular sock regiment.
I want to hear this. Oh boy jumped the socks, jump jump the socks, all of that plenty more. But first, Kaylin, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?
I googled Wolf of Wall Street quaylude scene, yes, because yes, yes.
We know it. We love it.
I am editing this little promo video to plug the Bechdel Cast tour the Jamie Loftus and I are going on in early February, so zeitgang, who's also a Bechtel head, grab your tickets. But anyway, so I'm like editing this silly little promo video and it's mostly a Barbie tour. We are mostly covering the Barbie movie, but there's one show where we were also doing a Wolf of Wall Street thing because.
Interesting, you know what movie cares?
Yeah, I mean that's obviously the CROs the the thing. But everyone's like why wouldn't you do, Oppenheimer? And I'm like, because I was asleep during most of those, I don't know what want it again? So we're doing Wolf of Wall Street. So I was just like, I was just finding little images to include in this, and I was like, ooh, that quaylude scenes pretty good. Yeah, googled that.
I couldn't help but notice that Oppenheimer barely does any quayludes in that movie referenced like when he does, I mean, it's I can't imagine he did zero quaaludes during the events of the.
Film on screen where the on screen representation.
Show don't tell.
Us really felt like that's the only substance legal or otherwise.
That just like completely can you get coludes anymore?
You can get a lot of shit that is illegal, even you can't get coludes. Where did thees you tried them?
No? I want to Oh yeah, yeah, I just I mean that is the premise of the scene in Wolf Wall Street, right that they are like they have five.
Yeah, they're like old, so they don't know how effective they're going to be, and.
They keep taking them. They're like these are busted. And then very much the experience that anybody who's taken too many edibles has had in recent years. But yeah, that's the idea. I feel like they give a passing explanation about where where the coludes went, but it was something like that. I think they were made pharmaceutically at one point, and then they may be legal. But it does seem like there's probably you know, as drug has become more advanced, there should be a market there.
A minimum and artisanal market for Come on, you.
Want to at least try it?
Try yeahs and Hell's Angels are back as a vibe.
Yeah, I mean the Hell's Angels mainly use them to counterbalance all the speed that they were on this amount. Well, someone's gonna have to fall asleep eventually. Why don't we figure out something to counterbalance all this trucker speed that we distributing? Yeah?
Wait, what is speed? Is speed?
Coke?
Are they the same thing? Are they two different?
No?
It's amphetamines pretty similar, very similar. Yeah?
Yeah, yes, so it is breaking bad cocaine is I assume Wolf of Alls three?
Yeah they do.
Oh yeah, what is something that you think is overrated?
Okay, so we're getting into horny territory in these next few Yeah.
Oh, folks, it's the first week of twenty twenty four.
I'm trying to set a precedent. Horn My god, I mean this isn't particularly horny, but these are about dating. I'm thinking giving a lot of thought.
So opp you're saying not.
When you date like me, I have a very specific sock regiment, and I have a very specific dating regiment, and it's all horning. Okay, overrated is height as a dating criteria. I'm talking specifically about men because so if you go, if you're on the apps, there is there are a lot of men who just put their height as the only thing in their profile because they've been conditioned to think that that's like the most important thing about them.
This is enough, how the cells of my body stuck up to That's enough of that me.
Yeah, my personality in its entirety. So it's very frustrating. And I know that they're doing this because of like a you know, a societal pressure, a beauty standard, blah blah blah. But I find it very frustrating not only that that beauty standard has become so prominent, but that men are responding to it by being like, well, you don't need to know anything about me aside from my height.
I also feel like somebody who puts that much emphasis on their own height is probably more likely to lie about their height, right, Like he issues going on?
But is it kind of it feels like what you're saying though, it's it is like a self regulating system, right because like people who put that, actually that.
Is the only thing that is interesting about I mean, that's.
True, they're kind of perpetuating this psychle.
So but I don't know.
I just feel like you don't you don't want to and you don't want to click on those people and swipe on those folks, and you know that it's doing its job both ways. If someone only loves height and if someone recognizes that that's idiotic.
Yeah, I'm about it, unless there wembing Yama. Are they victor wembing Yama? Are they seven foot four? And it is like the main thing about them that you would have to deal with on a dating basis is like this. We can't go most places. I'm way too.
I won't fit through the doorway.
Can't sit in a norm car.
Yes, that would make sense, but it is it's just people who are like I'm five eleven or whatever.
I That's why problem is you're like I am the average height and that's all you need and.
That's all you need to know. And Andrew, You're right like this, like this should be like a weeding out process, except that I would say in like eighty percent of profiles and I like, yes, I'm I'm like swiping left on like ninety nine point nine percent of people. But like, it's just so prevalent for men to have just their height or like one of three things they list about themselves is their height, and I think it's stinks.
We'll not stand for it, yeah, won't. That's terrible that people do this. Do they hold a coin next to them for like the yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they have just a tiny little quarter and they're like, I'm so much taller.
Than this, yeah, which then does open up a market for fake not to scale, like measuring tape in your yard sticks or whatever that you hold up next to yourself or your dating profile.
Yeah, oh man, let's get on this.
That's right, Yeah, all right, this is an enterprise if I've ever heard.
Justin, You're gonna have to cut out the next thirty minutes while we scheme this doesness plan and we're back and we're about to be rich as fun. Wow. What is something you think is underrated? Caitlin?
Okay, so what I think is underrated is being solo poly. So if anyone's not familiar, it's a type of polyamory or ethical non monogamy where you're just kind of single, your main relationship is with yourself, but you also have so many lovers. Great, it's the best of all the worlds, so many and it's something I've been exploring in recent years and I've never been happier.
I would say, definitely sounds like the best one. Yeah, I think sounds like a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I thought you were saying solo POLLI like that that was like negative Nelly, solo Polly.
Oh, not solo poly pocket Okay, yeah, solo polyamory.
Yeah, they would.
They sound like they might be contradictory because it's like, how can you have many lovers? But also, yeah, be solo, but we make it work.
And when you become solo poly, does that give you the magical power that you now possessed to use lover in a way that doesn't make me cringe because you're yeah, you can, you can do it. Now there there's I've met like a handful of people who can be like I've taken a lover, and I'm just like, yeah, that's that's how you talk, and that is how you should talk.
There's a great line to that effect in the movie American Fiction, which I will also sing the praises of later on as a piece of media I've been enjoying. But there's a great line where Jeffrey Wright's character is like, Oh, I'm so grossed out by the fact that you've just told me you've taken a lover. But when your solo poly, you get to say it, and it can say yeah. I also like to say that I have a harem of himbos.
There you gom h.
That's pretty accurate to my life.
Do they know their himbos?
I don't think they know that I call them that. Okay, I think that they.
They think it's just their little secret and they always yeah. I will say the over or underratedness of this, this feels like a solo poly is a thing where the rating system depends on your original perspective so highly. Because I can't help but notice that Jack was like, that sounds great, It's pretty good, right, I was like, yeah.
I think that's rating. It's not underrated for him because it's.
I guess I put it in the underrated classic almost a class agory.
And that's the thing now category with such confidence, class agory is now a.
Thing, thank you, thank you so classification slash category slash class agory. I put it there because I mean, most people you know, follow like a pretty traditional like you know, just monogamy. I have one partner, I have one person. That's what they're seeking, that's what they have, you know whatever. But I've been sort of just examining that as a structure as an expectation in society, and I was like, you know what, I don't think that is for me.
And just like, i mean, relationship anarchy in general is something I've been exploring, and I'm just like, yeah, this, this is cool. This is not enough people know about it or are doing it. Yeah, And obviously, like a very important thing about it is to like be very up.
Very people upfront. So I was gonna say, there are plenty of fuck boys in the world who are like, this is actually secretly what I do, but no one needs to know about it. Instead, I pretend I love everyone deeply and we are soulmates, right. Amazing, this just in Classic Glory has been shortlisted for the twenty twenty four Words of the Year Mirriam Webster Dictionary.
So oh, I didn't even make it up.
Now you did, and that's how quick it became. You did it just now shortlisted. Awesome, amazing. Well, we are going to take a quick break and then we're gonna come back and talk about drums of Mickey Mouse doing nine to eleven. We'll be right back and we're back, and yeah, I mean, I don't know they're like that. I feel like I feel like I've seen seen all
the ones like that. You know, it's so basically SB Dubbs as we've all started calling Steamboat Willie, who is the unmistakable ancestor of Mickey Mouse and descendant of minstrel cartoons. But that's for another time, but you can look at
the similarities. There's a lot. But yeah, Steamboat Willie has hit the big public domain in the sky fring the Internet to do its best slash worst and you know, doing nine to eleven and being covered and come we're like that was like, I bet that's what the Internet's going to do. And they did that. There's also somewhere where he has his dick out, also to be expected,
but I don't know. But like, so first of all, this is like people will be quick to point out, Steamboat Willie has some differences from modern Mickey They redesigned Mickey Mouse for nineteen forty Sorcerer's Apprentice. So we're gonna like have to wait another I don't. I was gonna say like twenty years, but no, that's actually less than that, like yeah, ten years for actual like modern Mickey Mouse to be covered and come.
But I mean, will the world make it that long?
Let's see, that is the question. Well, to be to be covered and calm, not as parody, right, exactly, yes, exactly, yeah, I mean people were already free to do this. It's
just a celebration of like, no, it's legal. Yeah. So if you want to know the difference between Steamboat Willie and Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse has like big big eyes with like black pupils, you know, like the standard Disney like big eyed like kind of thing that's based on babies, Like they were like, oh, babies have big eyes, and that appeals to something inherent in humans, like we are genetically designed to not want to kill babies, and so like we like, we like them with the big eyes,
whereas Steamboat willie to quote Quinte speech, and Jaws has got lifeless eyes, black eyes like a doll's eyes. When he comes at you, he doesn't seem to be living until he bites you. And those black guys roll over white. Yeah.
I don't think I've said this story here, and maybe I've never said it at all, but the maddest I forgot when I was writing on Robot Chicken is I pitched a sketch that made up pretty far that was about Funko pops where every time you turned back it was like a haunted house kind of deal, and every time they turned back to the funk Co pop, its eyes would be that like beady black eye would be ten percent bigger until swallowed the screen, and they did.
He didn't let me do the sketch, and I'm so mad about it still, oh many right, but.
Yeah, so this is the first big character to hit the public domain in a while, which I hadn't realized. But Sonny Bono apparently Sonny Bono or Bono Bono, right, I've just been.
Oh yeah, because Bono is the YouTube guy. Yea, Bono is the sunny guy.
Yeah, as the famous rhyme says.
From the Beavis and butt Head version of I Got You Babe with share right.
Yeah, that's kind of the main thing he's known for, other than dying in a ski accident. But he also was a So he was like TV guy and then became politician guy, and in nineteen ninety nine he's passed a loss suspending things from hitting the public domain for twenty years for reasons having to do with corporations and
rich people enjoying money. Whatever. The justification at the time was that seems to be that they were lobbied by Disney and like George Gershwin's estate, and there's just everyone was basically like politics in the nineties really got away with a ton of shit because like they just had the world or at least like the mainstream media convinced that anywhere anyone making money was good for the country because quote the economy, like, why not keep it private
so people can continue to make money for Disney and the wealthy who can invest it back into Wall Street and Wall Street is scoreboard for economy.
Okay, so they.
Yeah, thankfully that's all changed.
Now, so it's no different.
Yeah, it's we just have social media to point it out it's not true. Yeah.
So wait, they were trying, they were lobbying to make it so to like delay things going into into the by twenty years so it could stay private so they could keep profiting. Yeah, okay o neat.
Yeah, that's the thing that is like so funny. It's like to imagine them being like, you know, for for some kind of vague moral or economic reason, this must happen, and then just the finding the line of twenty years, like if this is important, why not forever like or what? Just like somehow they were like, oh, twenty twenty is good. Twenty is good. We'll be rich enough that will never come.
Yeah, we'll just be incredibly rich by that time. So there have been NFTs because people are still falling for that. Apparently Mickey Mouse cryptocurrencies those are somehow different. A glut of AI generated images featuring the old Mickey doing drugs or slathered and seemen previously mentioned. Yeah, kailudes might be interesting. I'm sure that the kids don't know though, you know.
Yeah, copyright, I wonder if the copyright on the name on the presumably brand name Kaylude is probably still in a fact, whereas Mickey you get sued by like Pfizer or whatever, still holds that pat.
Was Quaylude the name, brand, brand, street name for that drug. I'm curious, like, was that the Kleenex? Look at us.
There's no spell very strangely, which makes me.
Think that it is.
Yeah, it's not the chemical name, and it's not like some ship that you just come up with.
The chemical name is messquey.
Loan, Okay, pretty close.
It's a hypnotic sedative. I didn't for some reason, I thought it was an upper Okay. Oh, no, must be the the brand name.
I guess. Yeah, it's the aspirin. Yeah it's yeah, there's it's. Oh. I love this. I love sewing back lodes. Bring back Ludes is our message in twenty twenty four. But I mean it's understanding, like there's sort of a surprise and effect happening here where people are going particularly hard on Steamboat Willie because Disney has like famously been fighting this moment for decades, like they called the Sonny Bono thing. I think the Mickey Mouse Saver or some some shit like the Mickey Mouse Law or.
Yeah, so like people, if the Disney Corporation is in danger of not making as money as much money as I wanted, put out a Mickey alert and it all goes to our phones and we all like have to protect the copyright of Mickey Mouse.
That's the Mickey Mouse Protection Act is what is called. So predictably, just hours after Mickey entered the public domain, we got a trailer for a horror movie in which a guy in a Mickey Mouse mask is like a knife wielding serial killer.
And didn't they just do this with Winnie the Pooh also.
And also the mask looks like shit, like the Winning the Pooh one, Like for some reason, they just they're like, Okay, you're allowed to use it, but you have to like make it out of a paper bag in like fifteen minutes. Looks like total ship. Yeah, it's also set in a Chucky Cheese esque restaurant because of this excess of five knife Freddy.
Okay, so it's yeah, five knife Freddy. Is that is that you doing a joke?
Is that? Yeah? That's what we called it. I think it's actually when you're your co host on the Bechdel Cast, Jamie Loftus was on We were a little just outed.
Myself as someone who didn't listen to that.
Didn't listen to your own. I listened to everything Miles has ever been on it, including phone calls that he doesn't know I'm listening to.
You have like a secret baby monitor in his house just for you.
That's right, And sometimes I whisper things while he's asleep, just plant incept ideas. But yeah, it's five nights at Freddy's. I'm sorry, Caitlin.
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't like a classicory google.
Right right, could could easily be, but so just the least original original film ever proposed.
The thing that bums me out about these is like like they had it ready to go.
It's like so uncreative. I just wish some some just.
Like like this. The creativity is like shockingly low for this, for this whole like all of it, the whole class of these may Yeah, it's really it just bums me out. I don't know, I just I want something funnier. I guess, yeah, well.
I think funny would be too close to so like none of this is really legal, like you Disney could like sue any one of these that they wanted to out of existence. It's just a gamble like whether that draws attention to it or not.
You know, that was a thing that I learned when I worked at Comedy Central many years ago, that like I it was outside of it, but it was maybe this is a private conversation with not soci're repeating but doesn't matter that much. But like, you know, I was told that often because you like kind of have the impression like, oh, you can't use Coca Cola in your things, so you got to use this thing because of copyright
or whatever. And it's rarely that, Like it's usually just that like the business affairs and ad salespeople would like to get Coca Cola as a sponsor pay them.
Yeah.
Yeah, so like you are free, but it has nothing to do with the like base legality of like can you use it?
And it's such a like detraction from the quality of movies. I mean, I think you've told us that before, but it's like so interesting to me because it's such a like if you could just like it takes you out of the movie so much to have people drinking from a can that is like yeah, says soda on it crackle cola, Yeah, exactly.
To me the example I was given, I don't remember who said this, but like you just can't like defame the product, like you can't have someone drink a coke drop dead from a heart attack and then all the characters say, that's what always happens when you drink.
So as long as you're not like slandering the brand, Yeah right, yeah, like quay Lude for example.
Right, which we've always said on the show, is very good for you. It's like taking your vitamins in the nineteen seventies, you know.
I wonder just so you can't you can't misrepers that you can't have coludes and just be like these get me high with no consequences, like I just did.
Yeah.
Well, I was an extra on a movie set one time, Huge Brag. It was a movie that never got a theatrical release, but Emma Roberts was in it, and it was about a high school basketball team. And I was in this like cafeteria scene where there were vending machines
in the shot. But originally the vending machines I think were pepsi And then they brought the like production brought in basically like huge stickers that said Coca Cola on them to place them over they though to make it seem like, yes, a Coca Cola machine.
Wow.
I don't know exactly why they did that, if that was some sort of like agreement with Cola or I don't or if they were like, we want money from Coca Cola but not PEPSI. I don't. I don't know enough about it, but I just found that fascinating that it was like, oh, you like specifically brought in stickers to like make to change what this product would be.
Yeah, the director is just like, no, these people have cocina. They would never No, it's not this is real. This is taking me out. PEPSI.
Emma Roberts the fuck out.
Of here does not track.
Emma Roberts does not exist in a universe alongside PEPSI like that. That doesn't It's like, you can't put Michael Douglas in a movie set in the past. You can't put Emma Roberts in a movie in which there's right, It doesn't make it.
Even if he was in Like if if Michael Douglas was in a period piece, you'd still need to add minimum put like a BlackBerry in his hand.
He doesn't love like that was a period. No. That. So William Goldman, the screenwriter has he wrote Princess Bride, and he has like what one of his books on screenwriting, I forget which one it is. He talks about how his theory for why Ghost in the Darkness I think is the movie it's like Jaws, but a lion in
Africa that is like killing everybody. And then there's like it's the eighteen hundreds, I think, and they're like the quint character is this like stoic lion hunter played by Michael Douglas, And everyone heading into the movie movie's release was like this is a sure thing, like we have
the next Jaws. And then it like tanked. And his theory for why it tanked is that Michael Douglas just cannot exist in like a movie that takes place outside of like after the Earth, before the nineteen eighties, Like he just like needs to be a horny businessman like that. That's it.
Like it's kind of unsettling to even just imagine Michael Douglas in the same room as an animal or in the same like right, so like like anything that isn't Yeah, he tried it.
And fatal attraction. Look what happened to that rabbit? Jesus Anyways, like that, multiple movies actually hit on the same like multiple trailers dropped or I guess this one didn't have a full trailer. But there's like a Whore, an animated horror movie where Mickey Mouse will torment a group of unsuspecting faery passengers. So they're like, steamboat will what's the first thing we all think about with Mickey Mouse that
he was on that dang steamboat a long time ago. Well, what this movie presupposes is he's still on that steamboat and he's angry. But like so that winn the movie exactly, like does he do it in like weird like animation, like like giving looks to the camera, like whistling out of the side of his mouth as he's like no.
Kind of lightfle up double knee bounce per step.
Right, and that is how I walk Canonically, I walk into a double knee bounce everywhere I go. But that shitty winning the Pooh movie, Caitlin, you referenced that is the first in the class. This classic wory of movie was made for one hundred thousand dollars, like evidently, like every one of the dollars not spent over that is on screen, Like they're like, yeah, no, that's just a dude in a mask that like you didn't even bother
to get the best mask for this job. Whoa. And that movie made five point two million dollars because people were just like mad at it, and so it got passed around and like the director of one of these slasher Mickey Mouse slasher movies, this is the direct quote. We actually love the negative feedback because you know, it just draws more interest. There seems to be, you know, a market for people that want to hate this kind
of stuff. And it doesn't matter just if you watch the movie, if you pay to watch the movie, then yeah, that's all we want. Said the director of art Off about that. Give a fuck? What do you Why are you talking to me? None of this matters, just so out,
so nihilistic. There is like a thing that I've been noticing just as a trend across media where we no longer distinguish between Like people were talking about how viral one of those Israeli comedy sketches went, you know the ones that like I guess Brent Gellman was in one of them and Michael Raviofort but they're just like super offensive, like yeah, and people were like it's gone viral. These things are like it's like no people, people aren't like
laughing and passing it around. Everyone's like horrified at this thing. But there there just does seem to be a way that we're just like flattening it out. And it's just like all attention is not only does it like work, but it's just evaluated the same is It's just like, yeah, that's that's a success. Shamelessly mask off. We don't give a fuck unless it's a shitty Mickey Mouse mask Yeah, I mean it isn't. It isn't. It's like you know the like, oh I like the negative press.
Actually, like it's like that's like that is like the fifth emotion you have.
After like you know, I know it's a budget, it's kind of goofy, but like maybe this is gonna.
Be good and like no, okay, but like call you know, I'm just saying like that that is also a type of just hope. Yeah, I guess right, Like it's not untrue, but it's also like, you know, I'm positive this person's dream wasn't to cynically snatch. I mean, admittedly a decent amount of money, but not a good Hollywood you know, favorite Hollywood director amount of money from this enterprise. So yeah, they're still disappointed.
The way I read it was like he's like, yeah, man, it's great, but it could be. He said this with like a glassy, far off gaze in his eye, you know, but he's just like feeling his all of his life's dreams dry up. Yeah it's still dark. Make me feel better.
I mean, it's still money. I guess we do enjoy money, I suppose.
But it is the thing of like when people are like, yeah, I made it bad on purpose, then that's I was, and that was intentional, and it's part of the commentary. And it's like, no, you didn't. You tried your hardest and it was bad, right, And that's okay.
Yeah, it's okay. You're bad. It's okay be bad. There's there's so many people in the world. You're one of the bad ones. It's okay.
At least you have money.
A lot of people are bad don't get money. At least you can do the job that your boss has asked you to do. That's pretty good. That counts for something, Buddy, You're gonna Disney can still like totally prevent people from using their early version of Mickey Mouse on consumer products, like the way that people use logos. It's like that it the closer you look at this, the harder it is to distinguish, like what actually changed, because Disney could
still sue you out of existence. I think the thing that changed is that, like a horror movie, there's no way that anyone would confuse that with being something that Disney was putting out. And so this is like the same. Legally, this is even though it on its surface seems like the most subversive thing to do, it's actually legally the safest thing to do because it's the most evidently like satirical.
Yeah, I think the thing is it's like all all this ever has done. This shit is like slightly changed the risk calculus for litigation, you know, with a slight change in one portion of the copyright law. But you know other shit is blah blah blah, Like yeah, yeah, it makes it slightly more of a pain in the ass for them, Like it gives your lawyers one more paper they can file that then gets swatted down by the Disney lawyers. Yeah yeah, yeah, that does cost Disney money.
That costs the billable hours. But like we'll get shit. Yeah they don't. They don't give a fuck. They will spend you into the ground.
Yeah. One of the most famous examples of Disney threatening legal action over the use of Mickey Mouse wasn't for a scathing parody, and in fact, there is like there is a short film in which Mickey Mouse is sent to the Vietnam War and shot and killed immediately after getting off the transport. And they did not sue that they were because they were like, oh, that would just draw attention to this. So that came out in nineteen sixty eight and they were just like, yeah, go knock
yourself out. But they did sue three daycares that had unlacensed Disney murals. Yeah yeah, yeah, because that.
Could be seen as like over Disneyland, Yes, Jaycare is Disney branded.
That's our end game, you guys. We will take all of your children into underground bunker with their characters painted all over it. That's not for you to use. All right, let's take a quick break and then we're gonna come back and talk about the controversy that everybody's waiting to hear about whether you wear socks in bed. We'll be right back and we're back, And yeah, as I mentioned, there's a Wall Street Journal article, if you sleep in socks,
You're a psychopath. Health tip kicks up controversy if you sleep in socks, You're a psychopaths and quotes, so it's quoting one of the sources from this article, but it's this is like one of those articles that mainstream institutions do sometimes where they you can tell like they are having fun or they're trying to communicate the idea that they're having fun, and there's like it's full of just
shitty puns. So brought it to my attention. I started like googling around, like am I weird for wearing socks in bed? And yes, very fucking weird. People are not. Like there's a Reddit thread that is all about this, and you know, it's full of like aggressive opinions on both sides. But like the percentage of people who responded and said they wear socks is like between five and twenty percent of people wear socks and bed. Everybody else is like what like when I ask people there horrified
at the idea that somebody would wear socks and bed. Yeah. I don't know. Sleep specialists. They think it's a good idea because they apparently, if you keep your feet warm, then your body has to work less hard at like warming them up, and so it actually keeps your body temperature lower to have socks on your feet somehow your.
Body, okay, because the whole rest of your body.
Is like working to keep your feet from freezing off or someone. Okay, okay, seems like bullshit, But I don't know why, especially with this being such a wildly unpopular take. I don't know why sleep experts would be bring this up other than it's the heat marketing that we talked about before.
Right, all right, well I'm ready to disclose my habit.
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, can we get a little drunk. I want to hear here, like like the little they use, the little tippitty thing they used before, like they reveal in deal or no deal, what's inside the briefcase?
Yeah, yeah, okay, put that sound effect in and okay, this is not this is the dicloimactic. I will wear socks to bed in the winter when it's cold, cold, and I want to say form, but oh my god, the crowd are losing their.
Fucking ten large that that was gonna be your answer.
But they are socks that are like my specific bed socks. I will not wear them around the rest of my apartment. I would never like put them in shoes and go out and then like also then wear those into bed. Anyone who like goes about their days in their dirty socks and then and then wears those same socks to bed. I do believe that those are well, you just turned.
Into a Southern Belt leg hon now you see. I do believe that those people are well. Yeah, that One of the articles I found was debunking or like you know, dismissive of sock wearing in bed based on the idea that like we're just coming from the gym in sweaty socks and like popping into bed. It's like, no, what the fuck, Like we don't have one pair of socks. Like the point is that they're like dry, clean night socks that you put on after you take a shower.
Yes, here's my my question for both of you freaks, though, did you is this behavior that was like acquired or did you never?
Have you ever?
I mean, I'm sure you've ever, but did you ever, like on a regular basis sleep without socks and make make a decision to be like I'm a socksman or.
Socks on, and I was.
Both inappropriated and just flowed off my dog. But you know what I mean, like, has it always been socks? You know?
No more or less? So I actually there is. So the thing that's interesting to me about this is that there really seems to be a broad like propagandistic push against wearing socks in bed, like I want. My mom told me like growing up about the scariest nightmare she ever had and blamed it on wearing socks to bed. Well, she was like I and I think it was because I wore socks to bed and that's and.
She was trying to scare you out of that.
I guess, like it's but it's just like the Reddit thread like has somebody like that, People are like I physically recoil at the thought of wearing socks while asleep. I think sleeping with socks on feels grotesque asleep with socks when I'm too drunk to take them off, And honestly, waking up with socks on is worse than the hangover, that that person is going to bed with dirty socks on. And then somebody else wrote one of sock sleepers are
serial killers? True stat that I did not just make up on the spot, and Andrew, you agree that is true?
Yeah, that one, I I will just say, I have never thought about it. I just reflexively like, don't like like having socks on when I sleep.
I have a few counter points. Yeah, one is.
You do and too.
Okay, Yes, socks can be gross and can become gross, but also so our feet. And if I was like in bed with someone who had gross feet and they were like rubbing up against me and like they hadn't clipped their toenails, and like recently, that to me would be grosser than wearing socks to bed. Second counter point, I run very cold. I am always chilly. Maybe that's it, and I if I and like I'm also I have like pretty bad insomnia, and so conditions need to be
like absolutely perfect for me to sleep. It has to be, you know, not too noisy. The bed has to be comfortable, My anxiety needs to be at a manageable level. I need to be the right temperature, and usually my feet are too cold without socks, especially you know, in the colder months, So I like will lay awake all night long if I if I if my feet are too cold because I'm not wearing socks.
So feet and fingers are the only parts of it. Yeah I'm cold. Everything else about me runs super hot. But yeah that's the case. Yeah, I should, I should mention it. I also am completely nude other than the socks when.
I just yeah, just three socks on.
Okay.
That reminded me of that Flight of the Concord song business socks, which reminds me of I think a more a more relevant conversation here is if you wear socks during sex, Yeah, that is psychopathic behavior.
Yeah, because then you also have the garters on because you don't want your socks down having sex, so you want to keep your sock guarters on around your knees. Steamboat Willie's back, steamboat Willie fucks with sock garters.
It's out and his socks are his socks are up.
I don't know. I also like sleep on my face, so I feel like maybe I think I have like reverse claustrophobia, like I need to like because I think a lot of what people need to be I need to be like smart. Yeah like that. I think what a lot of people are responding to when I read their negative responses, like get the ship off of.
Me, like I don't want anything, like, you know, I think that's actually as we're talking, I think in a vacuum, like I will take the socks off in my sleep, like if they're on, Like if in the event that I have, for instance, like falling asleep, you know, maybe sooner than I anticipated for whatever, you know, chemically induced reason.
We're on so many ludes, Yeah.
They'll wind up off.
They'll wind up sometimes across the room, so it doesn't want them on.
Yeah, it's not my choice. Really.
That's like it's like a body rejecting, like a kidney transplant, right, yeah.
I mean like if your unconscious body is just like being like get these get the coffee.
Yeah, I think there's nothing I could really do about it.
Nature has spoken in that case.
But yeah, whereas your unconscious body isn't it certainly isn't going to be like okay.
Putting socks on.
If I fall asleep without, so I will wake up.
For them on so many socks on? I do? I have three pairs of socks on well, Caitlin, such a pleasure having you on the daily zeit Geist. What a joy? Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
You can find and follow me mostly on Instagram at Caitlin Durante. You can also go to my website Kaitlyn Durante dot com for I don't know information, I don't know if I if I'm teaching screenwriting classes, I list them there, uh and like put the registration links, and the Bechdel Cast is going on tour, like I mentioned, So if you live in San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, Austin, or Dallas, we are coming to those cities in early February. So you can go to link tree slash spectel Cast
for all the tickets to the show's there. So come and say hi to Jamie and I and we'd love to see there.
There you go. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Yes, I also alluded to this already, But the movie American Fiction that came out pretty recently, I very very much enjoyed. I think it's super smart and funny and I laughed a lot, and I highly recommend it.
I have not seen it. My movie watch over the Break. My family likes to go to a and this is crazy, word a little weird, like to go see a movie on Christmas? We And what the fuck's the guy who
was so excited about Kaitlin's answer, Oh sucks all show? Yeah, sot Ferrari And the degree to which that movie, like, apparently before seat belts, when there was a car accident, people were spring loaded in their car to just like sho if you ever dropped a pair of AirPods at like a air pod case and they just like shoot out all like that. That's apparently what used to happen to people in car accents. I will say, damn no more, but it's pretty wild.
I haven't seen that movie yet, but I find it fascinating that it is that it came out only a few years after Ford Versus Ferrari, So like, why all these Ferrari movies all of a sudden and it stars Yeah, there it is, and that if I'm not mistaken, Adam Driver is playing I'm not sure, but he's doing like an Italian accent, right, yes, And wasn't the whole thing with that Lady Gaga.
Movie, right, Gucci's a Gucci Ferrari Gucci.
Adam driver was also doing an Italian accent that everyone was like, why is this a thing? Everyone's really doing a bad job.
Jared Letto really took a lot of this. Okay, I see, I see full Mario, like just it's me. It was in that one. This one's definitely like not not as silly as that one, but you do come away being like this is the This is such a strange form of type casting that he has thrust himself into, of like being a Italian historical figure who was having marital problems and is the namesake of a still famous brand and who like kind of has an Italian accent but
not really. But it's like both like the Ferrari movie. I thought he was going to be like a race car driver, you know, like the name, like his name promises, but he's just like the a CEO. Like it's like very much like a business guy. Yeah, yeah, he's just a business guy, like trying to deal with an affair and like a vision and stuff. It's still cool, Like I don't hate it. Michael Man want the car races. The car races parts are fun. The car races parts are fun.
Is it Is it still it's set in like the seventies? Is it still shot on like the grainiest digital video camera you've ever seen?
No, it's set in the I would say the forties or fifties. Okay, yeah, and it's it's shot like a you know, just clear like you like, it's clear, you can you can see.
There's nothing on my camera like his movies that are like shot on that like pixel vision.
That record is like an audio tape or whatever. The most that I've watched a movie recently and been like, oh my god, this looks like shit. I didn't realize it at the time was Collateral. I was like watching Collateral, I was like, why does this look like absolute shit?
Yeah?
I think it's just like going to from whatever he did back then with digital to like the high death screens that we have now. It's a little yeah, was it?
Colteral was shot on basically like actual security cameras. It was just like it was something where it was like, yeah, this is the point. It looks like fun.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, basic amazing. Andrew, where can people find you? Is there work media you've been enjoying.
Let's see two things. One is I have over and over again apparently been saying the wrong date. We're doing a Yozis Racist Sketch show, a SF Sketch Beest show on February third at seven pm at Cobbs Comedy Club. Apparently I have fucked up the promo every time on my own show, so please please.
Come see that.
And work of media sort of, my friend and bootlegged this recipe for miso butter with chili crisp from I think Momofuku and uh like two parts butter, one one part like miso, just whip it together, chili crisp on it, and then you do the thing with the spoon where you kind of like go halfway and then turn it and make the little round of the butter like the little, you know, oval shape looking thing.
Anyway, that's what I've been doing.
That's what I did over all every conceivable holiday was like spend a quanelle, Yes, thank you, the spoon thing. You also do it at gelato places. I guess, I don't fucking know. Anyway, That's that's the media I've been consuming, is I guess YouTube videos about how to do that thing and how to do this butter.
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Yeah, this song is by Nuja Best. He's an amazing sample based producer, much like Jay Dilla.
He's from Japan.
He unfortunately passed away a while ago at an early age. But this is one of the first ever tracks that he made and it's not very easy to find anymore. It's a jazzy remix of one Love by Nas. It's great, clean the house music, as Miles always says. So you can check out one Love the Noujah Best Remix in the footnotes footnotes.
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