REAL ID Fake? Cybertruck Flops Even Harder 05.07.25

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Yes. Yes, it's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Yes, it's Thursday, May eighth, twenty twenty five, our first full day in the new real ID regime. I hope everybody's hanging in there. We're actually going to talk about this new real Ide world because the the deadline that they kept pushing back finally came for all of our asses yesterday May seven, Real Real I d Judge real ID

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I'm so sorry that appropriately stupid. Andrew. How are you doing. It's great to have you here, fucking great man wearing your Chippendale T shirt? R. What are they doing on that T shirt?

This is this is my favorite shirt. It is Chippendale dabbing. Yeah, my only regret with this shirt I got. This is a real shirt, official Disney merch. I got it. Yeah, this is real. This is not This is from when I I was working on a show that was shooting on the Disney lot and for some reason they gave us the employee discount at the Disney store on the lot. And this was already in like the this is so clearly again it's Chippendale dabbing. For anyone's it's not if

It just pulled the clearance bin directly up in the T shirt.

Shoot, my biggest short writer is not buying the whole stack shirt, just like as a gift you give out to people from now on. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

That is a timeless classic. Okay, they fucked up by putting that in the clearance spin that thing rules. What year was that?

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Anyway, this is my straight put a dash in the middle, so I have to assume it came from Andrew were thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious comedian actor writer came up in the New York improv in Theater Scenes Now in Los Angeles had some nice reviews in regional publications like The New Yorker Ever Heard of It, who called their acting virtuosic. The New York Times called them relentless. They have a new podcast, Worse than You. Please, Welcome to the show.

Mo Fry passes.

Hi, Yes, Hello, what's going on? How are you on?

This is so fun. I also forget when you send in bios.

It's like you forget when they're gonna be read aloud and you just have to have to sit there and it's like humiliate.

Be embarrassed. Yeah, anytime there's a New Yorker rave about somebody on our show, like that's that is the most meaningful thing to me.

It's a calling card, for sure. I'm not I'm not shy about that. It's like I could probably get bigger awards, and there's certain ones that are here just kind of like but did you hear?

But I don't know if you've heard of New Yorker. I also like to call The New Yorker a regional publication because.

It's not not it's not.

Also, do you guys remember when it was it Paul Ryan's like steps on or like Nephew dabbed in front of like the Wife or something like over the Bible in like twenty sixteen.

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I also wish that you had, like no one's really cornered the market on a niche Steve Jobs outfit, because like that's like a sort of innocuous just black tea and you know, jeans, but someone to have every single day to wear Chippendale dabbing shirt, right, is so good.

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I assumed you were going to get the whole clearance been just for it to like give out as gifts, But yeah, that's probably the better option, is just you have a closet that every single day hang it. Yeah, yeah, just a series of.

I fussed up my life could be so much better efficient.

Oh man, what a shirt. And by the way, Andrew joined the record and showed us his awesome shirt, and then super producer Justin had a dark wing duc T shirt. All so that's that's the vibe, that's who who we are.

I got to go find some Scrooge McDuck material. I'm like, what are we doing.

I'm trying to think of what I was watching around that time after school, because I definitely, like way too late in life, was watching Dark Wing Duck, Chippendale Rescue Rangers. I think there was probably another cartoon. I don't think Gargoyles was still on, and then like Conan reruns for some reason I think came on right after that. So I associate Conan, like early Conan with that time. What a time to be alive.

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Now so much Sandford and Sons at like three and it's like thanks for a really weird little white girl.

Yea, all right, we are thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things that we're going to be talking about later, A couple of news stories that are in the zeitgeist. Obviously, the Real I D Is in the zeitgeist, so we're gonna talk about the history of this real id act where it's like we need to make sure that our ideas are

It's delightful. Everything about this it just goes. It goes from like grin to.

Grid as you read, like cyber truck people also like want to sort of be combative and want you to hate them, But I'm like no, it's just like Sean and Freud like, I'm so embarrassed for you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just so conspicuous. It doesn't look like anything else. Like I just I can hear like a dumb horn playing in my head, like a dumb yeah. Like every time it's driving down the street, I'm just like, uh, you look like shit.

I don't know if it's it was on this podcast, but I did find the ideal. I did see the ideal use for a cyber truck in Echo Park, which was there's one in my neighborhood. Is a couple of bucks away that is wrapped in a vinyl wrap promotion for a vape juice store. That the first perfect use of a cybergruck.

That is the final form of the cyber truck.

I feel like that's radioactive, Like don't touch that.

Oh my god. No, everything does welt in its wake. But it is like, yeah, there's like that's my neighborhood.

That is, I think it's in my neighborhood. I'd like see it all the time, and it's got a it's covered in a shadow from Sonic three, like the character shadow from Sonic three, like decal. It was just like again, it's like that's kind of like it should be designed like us.

You should come with that stopping job.

Tell these people they can put that on a Honda. It's like we are saying this much money, and like, am I most generous? I'm like, sure, car shapes and colors have been so homogenized and that's terrifying. Most generously, I can say, you want to stand out again, put that decal on a Honda, Like what are we doing?

They just the timing wasn't great for them. They had it on back order. They were ordering their cyber trucks. And then the guy came out and gave went full strange love on the global media center stage, just a full Nazi salute. Oh you gotta feel for them, not at all, you have to feel something I do. It is we'll figure out what and we'll talk about AI

Okay, well here's my thing. I'm a Googler, That's what I'll say. We start there, like anything. If I have a thought, I'm eight hundred Google's in you know what I mean. Yeah, And so already we're I'm going to tell you that I had to like go on my extra history to find it because I I delete everything I Google. It's like, I'm not I know, I'm not hiding anything. I know the data is tracked, but emotionally it feels better to just like no one knows I

By the way. Uh, you know, if you're a person who likes to go from thought to Google really quickly, Elon Musk has a new product that you're in love.

Oh yeah, it's beta, it's in my brain right now, you haven't already.

Amazing.

Absolutely.

My two ones I think that are most revealing were one, what essential oil smell like leather? Because I really like this one perfume, but it's not non toxic and it's really expensive.

It's not non toxic.

Yeah, much toxic toxic, it's not toxic.

My favorite Indian restaurant back in Madison says on the window excellent vegetarian and non vegetarian food.

It is covering the bases.

Yes, So you like a perfume that smells like leather, A scent that smells like leather that is toxic, and so you're wondering if you can mimic it via essential oil.

Yes, exactly.

And then my other google I thought was revealing was symptoms of hepatitis A because I saw there was an outbreak in LA and it's it's like I think it's like fecal and oral transmission and everyone's nasty. So I was kind of like, oh God, I have to be ready, like we have to look for in symptoms in myself and others.

I don't know how I can't. I can't keep track of all the heps what hepe is fecal. It's like I think the.

Food one if I recall okay, other the craziest hepatitis that I dodged one time was there's a place in uh kind of like like South LA that serves blood clams savice. And I did not know at the time that blood clam, the little blood part of the blood clam is close enough to human blood that hepatitis s could live in.

Oh oh my god.

I mean, Andrew, I gotta say this would be one of these situations that if if you had gone it that way, I would have been like, on the one hand, I love you. On the other hand, like you ate something called blood clams cevice.

Yeah. Yeah, they also serve him on the half shot.

And was it delicious?

I wouldn't be. I'm a pretty like just fucking do it. It was a little much for me. It mostly tastes like a big old it's the blood bloody clams dogs. Does it taste metally, Yeah, yeah, it's like it's not iron. I mean it's it's like iron a proto hemoglobin sack. It's the thing. It's like the miracle of evolution where you're like, oh, this is when it was clam and then probably this became blood. That's fucking anyway, Sorry, sorry for that's important. Yeah it was clams.

Is that how they described it to you when they when they were like.

Not there, this was this was this was a Wikipedia Yeah.

Yeah, this is after you're like, maybe I have HEPSI.

Yeah yeah, yeah, you know you got to do some some wild ship to feel live these days and feel dead and and then actually be dead, you know.

So important.

Anyways, Well, we hope the googling on the symptoms of Pepe any any surprising symptoms there is that the one that turned your eyes yellow?

Yeah, because it's a liver disease and seaundice.

Here's the tough part though, It kind of like plays out on its own, and I feel like there's such like a prevalence of liver issues just in like our generation because of toxic load that I'm kind of like, I will it play out, like yeah.

We'll just kind of and mix in with all the other ship and then it's it's part of a balance rather than a disease on its own.

Say that that's probably true.

I just do.

That's what we're here for.

Not only not a doctor on the opposite of a doctor. Whatever that is.

Vibes based medicine is what we practice here.

Mo.

What is something you think is underrated?

Oh?

Non lucrative hobbies?

Love it?

Yeah, hugely underrated. I am.

There was an injured baby hummingbird in my backyard last week and this I texted this woman who like runs a hummingbird Sayingtuary and she happened to have a woman who volunteers for her that was near my apartment, and it was like, I go to her place and it's her hobby. She has a full time job, but she just like rehabilitates little hummingbirds in her house. And it's not like she's doing it on the gram. She's not doing it. She just really enjoys it.

It was awesome.

How is she coming across the all right? Sorry, my braind just went to like a dark place where it's like she's injuring those fucking hummingbirds.

Oh Munchausen's by, Yeah, yeah, how do you find so many injured hummingbirds?

Can I tell you?

I mean, the little guy is a little barreling through the air like a snitch, like you know, like I'm just.

Like I love hummingbirds. I notice hummingbirds, and I've never seen an injured one, but I mean you found one, so there you go.

My mind went straight to like like the hummingbird version of like a World War One like battle hospital, so like a little like hummingbird frush under one arm and a teeny tiny hummingbird cigarette out of the end of the of course. Yeah, flashback, hummy.

I love hummingbirds so much. They're so they just seem to be little like droplets of like something operating at a different like time space continuum than the rest of us. It's just like that thing is moving like a fucking UFO. There's no way remarkable. And then you look at the weight of their little barrel chest and you go, hell, yeah, why are you so proud this little one?

Can I talk about pride? This little one?

It was like a baby it had fallen from its nest. And the way it looked at me when I was like holding it was like, hey, let me down, this is humiliating, And it was like they're so proud.

It was crazy, the ones so tall, Oh you think you're so cool? It really was. How's a baby hummingbird? Like fingertips?

Like bizarrely, it was like about this big like like maybe.

Around yeah intro, wow, I love this. That is amazing, And I do think we need to bury ourselves in non lucrative hobbies. I've been talking about the trends in mundane like people doing mundane ship just for the sake of doing mundane stuff on like TikTok, and like the video I keep coming back to is like these people who made chocolate chip cookies with but like without using their hands. They just used the trash grabber things.

And see this is them the ill school ship that rules exactly.

It's just like that. I feel like we need that right now, just like it cut off from any ideological content and just like the stuff that people used to do, and like when they stuffed themselves into fucking foam booths and like sat on flag poles for days.

My friends and I it was before the garage door opener sensor was it. We'd try and roll under it like Indiana Joe and.

Yeah, so dangerous, but it was.

We spent hours just trying to roll.

Under its door that way.

When I was five, you're sort of talking about what you want is like if there was a way to make a fraternity that was not wildly misogynist exactly.

Yeah. I just think there are like some things that we can take from them, like just pick around the misogyny, you know, and there's like a delicious little bites in there that you get cake.

Those bites are sixteen goldfish. They make you.

Still that don't still mean to cold fish. But I thought there's like some non mean stuff real quick.

Just speaking of chocolate chip cookies, I just want to tell you guys about a product that I had recently. I visited my sister in Atlanta and she had cinnamon chips, which was I mean, that's ultimately was cocoa, butter, sugar and cinnamon. But they were the best thing I've ever had in a pancake. Holy fuck, oh pancake. Yeah good.

Can I tell you I am actually a chip huge on a cinnamon chip because to me, it is the epitome of a nineties coffee house.

Is a cinnamon chips gone?

Yeah?

I had never heard it. Is this the thing that you knew about?

I was shocked it's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch. It's it's been But it was like, I think all the Barnes and Nobles Starbucks hats still have some chips. Okay, but it's it's not popular and it's good.

It's really good. It is mostly cocoa oil or palm oil or whatever.

But oh yeah, whatever, no problem.

What is something more that you think is overrated?

Keeping in touch?

I hate your mouth. This is I am so mad at this. I hate it too.

It's also so overrated because to me, like texting, keeping in touch with this certain like there isn't depth to it, and so it kind of feels like a performance, like what's.

Up you doing? Good?

Okay? Well, was get in touch?

But I go.

I love yeah, you love me. I'll see you when I see you. If you need me reach out, I'll reach out if I need you. Yeah, the whole keeping it No, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it like a.

Good you know, leave leave it for like an annual nice conversation as opposed to a hey, just checking it in a right good like you already know what you want the answer to be as you're checking in, and you want it to be short.

And it's specific. It's not like emotional check it. It's specifically the check in because you feel like you should because you care about that person, so you're giving that signal, and it's like, no, cut them out.

They know you love.

Them, They should know if they love you, they would know.

Okay, I love for getting a little toxic.

Actually it's your fault that I don't check in on you.

My my core group of friends from high school, at least four of us have like birthdays a week apart, and by the time it's time to text the fourth person, it's very tiresome because I am out of shit to say. And we have already talked three times.

He's been dealing with this since he was fourteen. That's so funny.

Yeah, last last dude on the block. It's like I already said happy birthday to early twice. Right, all right, let's take a quick break.

We'll come back. We'll talk about real IDs, and we're back, and I mean, I gotta ask the group, how are we doing on our real IDs? Folks? Mo Andrew, are you real id up?

I let me just make one comment to you, Jack. Yeah, I feel like it's more like real id's nuts.

Thank you.

There you go.

I do appreciate you just just dabbed like the Chipmunk T shirt. I think I have mine.

I don't know. I had to get my license for renewed last year.

So that's it, right, That's exactly how I feel. I think I have mine, I got it renewed. I don't know if I said yes, right.

Yeah, fuck, I don't know mine. So the story, the story should be read in the context that I'm just like mad that real ideas are a thing, and that I haven't done it yet, but I do think they're stupid. Yeah, we've been hearing about them since this The Real ID Act, passed back in two thousand and five as a response to the nine to eleven Commissions recommendations that the federal government set standards for issuance of source of identifications such as driver's licenses. Basically just a.

How's how's their track record on recommend swish one word swish.

They nailed it.

Kobe, Kobe from the logo.

They Yeah, it is bad. It was, you know, war on terror, horrible travesty of human rights violations. But yeah, they so they put that out there and then kept pushing it back, you know, just kept getting pushed back, and now they expect us to believe that it wasn't pushed.

Back I mean, oh what, oh a gaslight?

We all will? I just feel like I was so used to it getting pushed back that I shouldn't have to then go out and get it.

You know.

Okay, that just feels unfair to.

So many times I'll just passively get it.

What makes me laugh is that if you don't get it right, you just have to have an extra measure of security. I guess, which makes me laugh because it reminds me of that remember that early days snapchat meme in like twenty fifteen of that Sikh man with the turbine and it just he wrote across the screen and he's in front of security and goes about to get randomly selected.

Yeah, exactly. It's just a pretext for them to choose to give you extra security attention, which I'm assuming they're still going to do even if you have the real idea.

But there's more.

I mean, and this goes back like American America has a long history of identification documents being used to control and surveil black people, and it's rooted in the violence of slavery, and it's after effects and you know, we we've covered this before on the show. But it's just a way for the government to impose its will on you and cast doubt on you and you know, do

Well that's the moment and when these things come about. The only kind of hope I have is because you can't appeal to empathy or ethics or morals when it comes to this, like to crossing whatever aisle quote unquote, But when it comes to like bureaucracy and folks having to you know, take days off work and go into the DMV and go, and you just have to hope that money then makes them complain and you're like, Okay, maybe there's some some shift that will happen.

Yeah, I feel like just things are going to get more annoying and maybe that will help. Like this makes things more annoying, Like obviously the fucking economy like is gonna be shitty and make things I don't know annoying is the right word, but just harder for people. Tedious, yeah, tedious and yeah, just having to over and over just like go through jump through bureaucratic hoops to as a as a wise philosopher once said aka Sarah Palin a few sentences ago.

It is it is super cute that she like clearly didn't get like multiple conservative like rhetoric upgrades. She's still doing this like big brother shit, Like what are you fucking in nineteen eighty seven? That are you talking about? Like you guys are.

Past that, you guys are a big brother?

What are you brother for twenty years? What are you talking about? Funny?

I like, I actually like you did her passionately being like Hey, you guys, this is pretty scary.

Huh. But Alex Jones, also like old school you know, conservative in some ways, has suggested that Trump's fascist government overreach is really just because he's being manipulated to support real id so like real idea is actually the thing that he's all right, like you've been trying to get to so he can like actually they can get like more control over you, which I don't know sounds plausible at this point. Oh god, but yeah, it just seems.

It seems tough in these situations because he's right, it's bad, but it's like it's because it's barring like you know, esl folks from Taylor having the right like test ability at the DMV or the right paperwork for people who don't have, you know, birth certificates, like all these different things. But it's that onion thing where it's kind of like worst guy you know agrees with you, and it's.

Like no, well yeah, And all of their fantasies of like conspiracy theories are just them imagining what it would what it actually is like for people of color in this country. Yeah, like if that happened to them, you know, so they're gonna start pulling you over and they're not gonna let you have guns, and they're gonna, you know, like it's like that is already the case for many of the people in the country. It's not gonna happened to you.

But yeah, yeah, and they can't fathom Trump like doing it. What's so weird is every time they're like, and they tricked them, they tricked old boy, and you're like, what.

I mean, I think they're they're just kind of leaning into what they have, right, like he he because Trump now seems more trickable than ever just even it's just evident. So I think now they just had to add a little a little zag to their zig maybe, right. Can I just say I I flew recently at UH and at least at Atlanta Airport. The video of Christy nome Like doing the little like you're about to go through TSA speech was the most I've ever felt like, oh,

It's really there's so many ways that it feels verhoven Ish, like we're RoboCop and fucking Starship Troopers is like just not right. Yeah, yeah, no, not as funny at all.

Just yeah, it has it's a it's a gritty Verhoven reboot by like you know, like your Zack Snyder types.

Right, Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it's like if a good director was reimagined by someone who sucks at this.

Because they are in like, we're all like, oh, it's just opian. It's like this movie. It's like this movie.

It's like because those people watch these movies, right, It's like it's created because of that, and so then it feels super next to reality, like.

And they're like they they watched Starship Troopers and like seems good.

Yeah. Those bugs, those bugs gross. Also, you can get free donuts, and you know, you might assume that you have to get your real ID to get free donuts, like giving blood.

But you don't.

Krispy Kreme is offering free donuts as like a way of taking the edge off for the real ID process, which may maybe this will be the time I've been been told by our listeners that I need to try fresh Crispy Kreams at some point. Have you not done I still haven't done it.

I mean you've had twenty years since the phenomenon started.

What are you doing here being bad at life? I guess. But yeah, as we've talked about, you don't actually like you can still fly without the real idea you will go get put through extra security, which is the same security people are already subjected to quote unquote randomly by

People essentially humanized as Jack as someone who again just was like, whatever, I'm already at the d m V. What what information did I give them? If I have a real ID that I wouldn't have wanted to do, you know, I don't.

I don't have that because it's.

Like a fingerprint or some ship. I guess I just assume they have all that already, but I don't genuinely don't.

Blood that was part of it. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing about me and the d m V. I was just spraying blood all over anyways.

So one thing you got me walking into a d m V. It started to get here about that line goes fast.

Yeah, I will say I managed to lose two pairs of prescription sunglasses this last trip to the DMV or two trips to get this ID, which fucking sucks. You lost two on I left trips, I left left one there and then I got a replacement, and then when I went to pick up my ID card, which I again assume was real idea, because I I feel like I would have remembered if I took a stand and then I just left those there. Also, don't let me have sunglasses?

Yeah, everyone listening, We just got to get you a string. You know those little.

Or just like pitch black contact lenses like the guy from corn.

Yeah, or transitions they make transitions contact lenses. You just have to stare directly at the sun and then your eyes turned.

Can I tell you I didn't. I didn't such a literal princess that my friend calls because I didn't see it. I didn't look at the sun or see a sunset until I was twelve because I was told not to look at the sun, and nobody said there's a time constraint on it, like you're allowed to look when it's setting.

That's true. Nobody does tell you that. We just all are like, this is probably.

Fine, right, yeah, he said, okay, all right, and then I got to see a sunset at twelve.

But it was incredible being being conscious of the first time.

Yeah, I see a sci fi future where you're the only person who isn't blind. Yeah yeah, you know.

Yeah, but you're also like a vampire that got cured. That's very like poignant to remember seeing a sunset for the first time.

Yeah, well it is because dear sci fi point. The reason we found out is because my parents and my sister were all driving the car. My parents were like, look at that beautiful sunset. I start screaming because I was like, I'm going to be the only one to see for the family, and I like, stop.

Throwing your body in between their face and the race. Yeah all right. Uh moving on to just pure shod in Freuda the So it seems like cyber trucks have just totally stopped selling, Like and again, I just have to Sarah rump r u MPF for media. This is the most I've enjoyed. It's not like there's nothing that jumped out to me like stylistically, It's just an article. God damn did I enjoy I was like, I think

Someone had a sticker on their car that was like, I know, I can't afford to get a new car like to trade Yeah.

Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's happening across Teslas, but like this one is that's the only acceptable decal. Other than make juice is a giant decal. That's like I know, so I did not I don't pay attention to the news, but I'm.

Like, how dumb can you be? Honestly, Like, it's yeah.

Now that inventory. So they were already calling it like the biggest flop of all time when there were like just two four hundred cyber trucks sitting on the lot unmovable. That inventory has skyrocketed to a new record high of more than ten thousand cyber trucks. So it's like four times where it was when they were like this is the biggest disaster in the history of cars. Maybe it's like it's four times that, and like they just can't even like they can't even explain like what's happening. They

I mean the honestly, like last year, the only tiny ray of hope I had for the election was when Elon joined. I was like, listen, literally everything he touches does turn to absolute failure. So the problem was it just the timeline. We just didn't give him enough time to cook. If he joined, like you know, mid election cycle, I do think Elon could have ruined Trump's.

Chances, right. Well.

I also think like the reason there's no sort of counter narrative, right is because then we'd have to talk about billionaires and it's like, Musk, it's like three hundred and thirty three billion, what is it? He is?

It's like or is not? Eight hundred million is a drop in the bucket.

And that's what the cyber trucks is called a crossing to sit there, right, And so it's like it's just kind of because there's no discernment or accountability within billionaires. He's like, yeah, it's not a flop to me. It's like it's whatever. And that's the hard part, and I think that should be more. The focus is that a company is able to use these resources like and like and just no problem, no accountability.

Yeah, yeah, Well, wealth has been concentrated to such a degree that one of the worst auto decisions at all times can be absorbed by a moron.

Yeah, and he can act to the degree that he can be like, actually I did that on purpose. It's actually for tax purposes. Can I tell you for me?

Your impression is eternally troubling every time? It's actually a win soctually socually.

Oh yeah, I also I didn't you know, I have heard like people are talking about how he and Trump have gone their separate ways. This article also gets into like how Trump's policies are just directly and vigorously fucking elon musk, Like.

God speaking of essential oil that smell leathery and are extremely toxic. Imagine being in the room with those two fucking dickheads, just the smell coming off their bodies.

He's just right. He bought an election, like put all his time and energy into like buying an election for this guy and got at just got what everyone who thinks they can like play Trump gets Like everyone who at like thinks they're going to get something in return from Trump, they always get completely fucked over. And yeah, I don't. It does for a moment make you be like, wow, he's like really doesn't give a fuck. He's like pissing off the oligarchs, and like, will they ever get together

It's it's like watching it's the perfect con Like Trump knows they can't do shit about him, right, And it is in that way sort of glorious. And if we didn't all have to collectively foot the emotional, financial, and possibly physical safety bill, it would be funny.

Right, Let's take a let's take a quick break so that we can all just laugh quietly to ourselves about that, and then we'll be back. Let's talk about AI will be right back, and we're back. And yeah, so there's an academic slash like capitalism. Guy used to be that used to be ahead of used to be the head of AI prober So he's like not just an academic who's like standing on the sidelines being like, you guys are dumb. He what is one of the guys.

Jack I just interrupted say, like any version of the job title financial analyst or commentary blah blah blah is much better look to described by capitalism. Guy. Capital They all fucking are.

Yeah, capitalism, Yeah, we're that's just gonna be a segment of our show Capitalism. Guys, what are they up to? But he like he doesn't even think like AI is bad necessarily, He's just like they've chosen the wrong path. But it did feel like for the first time I was reading somebody talking about AI in a way that actually made sense along alongside like what we've been seeing.

But you know what's crazy to me is it's like we're like forgetting the fact that it is a pure mirror and aggregate of us and what we're feeding it and the algorithms we're feeding it and the personal data. And I'm going like, of course, of course, course, like we also have sycophants as our biggest political touchstone and news it's like we're talking about of course it's that.

Yeah, Oh it's so funny.

Yeah, I mean this feels like again and this is the one hope for this version of AI is. I guess that the whole like media apparatus is bought in because so much of the market is propped up on like AI hype that they're just not going to report this because like that feels like a massive story that like chat GPT releases their newest version and it's a step backward, like in this thing that's supposed to be

But here's my my thing.

Though.

I always get like half it's like burn after reading where it's like there's more idiots than you think at the top, and half sort of like maybe this is part of a bigger thing where it's like nobody has promised accuracy with AI.

Nobody has promised truth or accurate data.

So when data is given to an individual and they can see so apparently that it is not accurate data, then there's the issue, right, But that to me doesn't necessarily say that. That's not the kind of point like that's not like the idea that the data can be chosen and picked by people doesn't speak to accuracy of data.

It's just who's giving the data.

And that's where I kind of go, oh, then that's showing a hand too fast and not effective in the way it is being ty traded to people to use more actively but not necessarily ineffective as a medium or thing itself right as.

A product, right, like they're and the trick that they did is they never said it was like fully accurate, and they like claimed sometimes it hallucinates.

Well they.

But yeah, the implication is by giving you a product that it says can like write your legal briefs for you, and like right, like they're implying that like it can do this. Like it's like it's like Tesla being like we have a self driving mode that like legally they can't call it, like they can't say it can self drive.

It's like it's good at what it does, it's not good at what it's good at. The bosses want you to think it can.

Do that's right. So that that's the big thing. The one thing that he points out, is it's very good at mimicry. And that is the one thing that I'm like, yeah, that is true, Like that's all the stuff I've been impressed by, like the you know images, like the studio Ghibli thing is like that's fun. You know, that's like I see that as like a fun little like apple.

I can't believe we're not talking more about John Anderton though, and pre crime, Like why aren't we bringing up minority report.

All the time when we're dating?

I mean like that to me is like the extrapolation of data to say that somebody is going to do something is just going to serve to support deporting people to venement, like you know, all these different things.

Oh yeah, they're going to claim that it can do that.

It seems like they may have deployed versions of that in like Gods of It. It does sound like they're already doing that pretty big time.

Yeah, yeah, I will.

I think this is a quote from at Citron But if I'm wrong, I'm sorry about that. But I I some writer pointed out that like a this all this large language model stuff is like billion or trillion dollar solutions for at best million dollar problems, right, like really good. It's it's just like, yeah, like this stuff is like kind of helpful for some things, but it is not close to what it takes to run this shit and develop this this thing that is like only okay, Yeah, so.

This guy's prediction for what it because I do think like the thing that's creating all the momentum and why this is like a thing that we can't stop fucking hearing about constantly in the mainstream media is because there's like a lot of money invested in it. And the thing that this guy's saying is like, it's not gonna

But yeah, losers who have been told they're the smartest thing ever BYPT which yes, exactly losers like.

But his idea for where this ends up is just like it's not going to be it's going to get less and less expensive, and like because nobody has like that the information of like how to do the thing that all these AI companies can do, Like everybody knows it now. It's not secret information as we saw with the what was the Chinese deep Seek.

Yeah, I say to the extent I ever use large language model stuff. I always just go to deep sea.

Just use deep It's not the worst. Who cares it's it's it's cheaper, it kills less, like it uses less resources. But like he's he keeps comparing it to spell Check in the article. He's like, look like spell Check, it was a thing that was like cool when we first got it, but nobody like made a billion dollars selling spell Check. It's just like a thing that's everywhere now and it's like everybody knows how to program it into whatever they're doing. And so like every everybody's going to

Wait, but not it for what and who?

I mean it as in, if these dumb focks think they can build like the equivalent of a conscious mind out of silicon chips, Yeah, this is not how you even do that, Okay, Yeah, which.

Is what we also understand because.

Yeah, but that's what I mean.

With these Like with these articles though, I get confused because I'm kind of like, it's not it for the tech industry. It's not it for art and technology, Like what is it not? If that's where I So I get what you're saying that because it is confusing sometimes.

Yeah, well, because the other problem with with the media about AI, I will say, I think is that like everyone has different incentives, Like all the tech people their goal is a world where they don't have to employ human beings. Yes, people like are being pitched this idea that oh, you can I don't know, fucking write a novel with just by asking this or whatever the fuck you know what I mean, or this is like a

Are to you, right, I think so that we use it and train help train it. I think even the thing.

They didn't count on is how bad that training was because people are fucking stupid.

That's so funny, but that's so such sweet, you know, Like I love that.

Yeah, it is just going to be used to try and advertise to us. We talked earlier this week about like the model that they're developing in the background that they're like, we're moving from the attention economy to the intention economy, where now we're going to sell your intention.

Yeah, you know, I listened to that, and I just my whole thing the whole time is like I felt better because it's sort of this behemoth and sounds scared.

But then I'm going like, oh, but it's for ads, yeah.

For ads, and also it'll suck, Like that sounds terrible. The second people know that's what's happening, I feel like.

I don't know, maybe connect your value from things a second. We like help people have i don't know, grounded emotional bases as individuals. Like then I'm not so worried.

Yeah that's true if it's just adds well.

And also it's specifically designed given or not specifically designed, but like it's fallen into like the way the market and the culture around it has it is the worst people are by far the most susceptible to it. So I'm kind of not hating it. I'm just like, yeah, that's right, you should. I actually would not mind you reaping what you saw because good fucking god.

Yeah, well, Mo, it's been a true pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.

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Yeah, is there a working media you've been enjoying?

Okay, So I vacillate between like you know, niche artists of like nineteen twenty and Summer House, and I love sort of the connectivity of it. So I was trying to think of different media. But the one prompt he was at tweet and I just wanted to share a tweet that I think of all the time, and it's for twenty twenty and it's my favorite. When everyone's talking about like male female bodied dynamics or all of those, Rachel sent it.

Tweet it.

Sometimes guys are like, wow, I'm intimidated by how organized you are, and I'm like, okay, well, I'm intimidated by the fact that you could kill me with your bare hands, and that comes up in my head all the time. I enjoy every time I think of it. I feel so scene. I love it it so much.

That's great, Andrew, thank you so much for joining. Where can people find you as their work of media.

You've been enjoying don't find me? I don't know. Andrew t podcast is leave Me Alone the I mean the two works of media. I'm going to see Sinners a third time this week. I love that movie. But I guess the more obscure piece of media is there is a YouTube DJ named Jolzo. She's Chinese. Let me She's Chinese.

Col DJ sets on Oh my goodness, this cool DJ set.

I remember these songs.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian on Blue Sky at jack Obi the Number one Yeah.

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Pearson took a picture of a rack at the at the grocery store and on one shelf was National Geographic Pope Francis a Life of Service, and the next one was Time Magazine, Hello Kitty, the Power of Cuteness, and he said, sucks they never got.

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