Prison = Organ Farm, Boomer Psychiatry 02.02.23

dance halls of Jamaica are from. But it's also National Heavenly Hash Day, which I had I just so wold. I had this ice cream flavor over the weekend and it's fucking it has like everything else. I thought it was another of these new fangled to drugs that you no, no, no, kids are talking about, not like what I was trying to make you do CB two earlier. But it's also National Groundhog Day Optimist Day if you're an optimist. The first thurs name it was ground hug Day. Yeah, National

Taker's hog Day. Okay, groundhog Day, how about that? Always sneaks up on my ass, you know, and and and every year I'm like, not this time, I'm gonna I'm gonna have all of my groundhog Day plans ready to go fucked it up again and my Phil Phil pun

base's im making I don't do for me. I feel like when groundhog Day came out, my interesting groundhog Day was like, oh, it's groundhog Day, and then that ship yeah, and then it fell off like two years later, and I was like yeah, because also living in California like weather, like winter as a foreign concept. So yeah, Miles, we don't have a single day ground hug Day article in

today's episode we are gonna do. Look there there have been like something like seven hundred punks or tawny pills or something, so that that was the thing that always blew in my mind. Yeah, they just were killing those ye like what they go through five per shot. Just it's swapping them out. I don't know why I think that's funny. That's not funny. Be kind of animals. My name is Jack O'Brien, a k. Jack O'Brien. Baby on the tree top. When the wind blows, this booty will drop.

That is courtesy of my brain. Just that's what I was thinking this morning. And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host Mr Miles. Yes, it's Miles Gray. I'm still an expecting father. But let me tell you something. I'm a k A my bond stronger. Yes today, now that I change the water twice a day, this moldy missing killing me no more? My bong stronger. Whoa Okay, shout out to Britney Spears and Lockerron me on the discord that a ka will be very appropriate.

We find out where guest is. Yeah, yeah, but also I'm I am cleaning a bomb twice a day, are you? Is that a new Is that a new practice? I know that when we had a when I lived with a Bomb as my like third roommate, that we were very negligent when it came to keep our water changes. We changed the water infrequently. It's like what you tell your grant, Like you know when you visit your grandparents and you tell them how you want your life to be going and pretend that's how it's going when it's yeah,

I'm not cleaning that today. In my mind though, Yeah, I want to get on that program. Yeah, well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious comedian, writer podcaster who you know from Lady to lady you know from Brittney's Graham. But she helped start the Free Brittany movement and her new podcast Babstinents yea, her year of not drinking It's bads. No one changes a bong water like, it doesn't help. It just stays bong water. It's not even to help if

you changed it. Yeah, well it helps you keep your ship clean and the flavor is nice. But yeah, I mean that again, the it's like groundhog Day. Like when I get a new bong, I'm like, I'm into it, I'm cleaning it, and then like three weeks later, I'm like, oh, yeah, what happened to that old thing? Groundhog Day? I feel like that is like the one holiday that's not people aren't leaning into. Yeah, like we didn't even know until now. Yeah, you got to make it a thing, did you? Did

you care about groundhog Day? PABs? Well no, I mean I think there really is the only reason that anyone thinks about it. Right. Yeah, wait, but where'd you grow up? Did you grow up somewhere with weather? I grew up in Salt Lake City, So yeah, I guess. Um, for us, it wasn't No, it didn't matter it was more like it was like, well, the Mormons allow people to have rites in their church. That was the decision each year. And then I was like, nope, nope, I'm gonna go back.

Let's see what the groundhog says. It's no, it's no. And has your year of living without booze like been like a return to Salt Lake City because Salt Lake City, Hey, yeah, kind of a innovator in the in the teetotaling arts. Well, I feel like, um, Salt Lake is interesting because Salt Lake itself is very like it's like less Mormon. I didn't grow up Mormon, but it's it's like more so like rebelling a lot of you know, it's a lot of like it's an artistic community and stuff like that.

So Salt Like itself is like kind of boozy if you're gonna go anywhere in Utah. But yeah, it does feel like a return to like I didn't drink it till I was twenty one or anything. Like. I was very like like, just like this is when you drink. You know, it was not like normal quote unquote in my high school to drink really. Yeah, so it is it's been six months of not drinking um, and it's been you know, interesting. Uh. Finally I think I got

over the um. I went to New York and that was like horrible, and that was it was really hard. And then once I got past that, I was like, I feel like I can probably Yeah, New York. It's gotta be tough. If I cannot drink here. Yeah, I was gonna try to New York, New York if I can say, sober here, not drank here. You cannot drink anywhere? Oh yeah yeah yeah that's Have you had any dirty dirty sodas since since stuff? Oh yeah, those dirty sodas? Um?

I did. I tried pilk. I will say, how was it? Yeah? Yeah, of course. What do you think? What do you think? This is a non bullshit? Um? You know it was okay. Actually, I think the thing is you have to have more pepsi than milk, because if it's not sweet enough, then you're in trouble, right, Yeah, just dusting of pepsi ratio more pepsi. Yeah. Alright, bab's we're going to get to

know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about I think we have a theme today that is that we live in the dystopian future of eighties movies. It's it's just it's so much dumber than like people are always like, oh, we live in the Running Man, we live in fucking some other, we live in Robo. We live in a world that is dumber

than robo copn Yes, so we'll talk about that. Dr Phil's terrible show is ending kind of not really and also Dr Phil has like a media empire that I didn't know about. I can't believe Bull is based on Dr Like a version of Dr Phil that he was is like telling people, was like, yeah, that's that's what I used to be a human lie detector test and and you know how Yeah, mechanical ones are totally unreliable.

Not my biases. Before we get to any of that ship bebs, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is reeling about who you are? Oh my god, you know what I searched yesterday was like a focus app for your for Mac where you can like block certain websites because I'm addicted to this is so embarrassing because I was making people playing fantasy people but I'm addicted to playing Risk online. I know. I feel like this says if you want

to know about me, that says a lot. So I can't stop playing this game and I have to like literally block it because I am playing it all the time and it's bad and everyone who plays with me thinks I'm a man. Oh like when you're playing like the chat because you can chat and like will win a game. You can play with teams and will win

a game, and like yesterday we won a game. The guys like, good job, gentlemen over here, and I'm always just laughing, like who the funk am I'm playing playing with these like people who never want to talk to you. But anyway, yeah, I have to get a focus app so I can't play it. So it's very it's bad because you're not because can you play it on your phone?

Isn't there like a phone version? You can? There's a phone version, But the one I'm playing online is like a little bit different, okay, a little more nuanced, complicated, like the nerdiest thing you've ever seen in your life. Like when you actually see it, you're like, I'm Napoleon.

Is there any overall strategy you you bring to risk like any oh, yeah, like you favor that you think is underrated or is this just well it's like I think you have to be the problem with me is I'm not patient, so I'll just get annoyed and start like attacking people, you know, because I want to, And so I think patience is probably the best thing you

can have. But right, is there like when you play online with people, is there ever like a thing where you know, like they're exposing themselves as like being shipped at the game or like someone you don't like playing with when they move a certainly, yeah, you can tell. It's funny because when I started, people get mad at

me a lot, and I didn't know why. I Now that i'm playing more, I'm like, oh, I see right, because you can surrender if you can tell you're losing, and if you don't, if people are like what the funk are you doing? Just surrender? They get mad right right right, So it's like playing black jack and they're like, why are you hitting on seventeen? Just stop? And so it's funny because we get really pissed at you for

you know, fucking around. It's really embarrassing. But I mean, wait, did you look like is this like a like a latter day Saints. I'm sorry that it was just rolling into that, but like a new found interest for you in life? Or were you like, were you like into risk as a kid? I mean I played with my friends a little bit, but not like that much. I only say I think it's like they're not drinking thing like I was just like, you know, I'm like, I've just spent my time to find something else to do,

and I felt this possible thing. Yeah, it's one of the more it's it's definitely the healthier but way less cool ways that you can be addicted to risk. I feel like I'm addicted to risk, you know what I'm saying. I'd just like to live my life on the edge risk aversion, not this, not this guy. It was bad that you're just playing risk. I get computer all night. I think it was way cooler when Babs just kept trying to push like those board ape n f T

s on us. I'm sure my friends preferred it. If I was getting drunk instead of talking about this, well, then they're not your friends. Bad. Don't listen to them. They don't care about you. That's right. What is something you think is overrated. Honestly, I feel like the Knives Out movies are over rated. It. I'm not feeling it. I really didn't like the first one that much. The second one was better, but like I can't do the accent that Daniel Craig's accent um. Yeah, over it, Okay.

I feel like we're at a point where it's been brought down to a level of being rated appropriately. But it took some work. Yeah, I guess. I just feel like everyone was kind of freaking out about this last one, especially the first one. Everyone like kind of and I just don't. I guess the mystery is not good enough for me. Everyone really liked the first one. I feel like it was really hot and cold on the second one. A lot of people hated the second one. I know

they did. I feel like I saw a lot of people like loving it so and I liked it, so I felt stupid for liking it. I don't know, but I've done a lot of work in therapy and I'm coming out and saying I liked glass On in the Knives Out Murder Mystery. That's great. I guess I just know. It's like I guess I'm just like, Okay, fine, this is gonna be something they're making forever. Now. I guess we're at least going to say one more days. If I didn't even see that, I fell asleep on a

plane watching the first one. There's well, there's gonna be more. Am I missing something? Because I feel like everybody was so like turnked up for a glass onion at the end of the last year. That's what I mean. I don't know everyone's around people I knew. Yeah, I mean like, I don't know. I think I guess it's one of those things like, hey, did you see it? Like I was at a like a Christmas party and like everybody

was like, did you go see it? Oh? Yeah. I think it's just that there's so many things that are murder mystery, murder mysteries now, so many TV shows, and like it's I feel like that that part of it it's hard to pull off to be really like intriguing and really like surprise me. So I think that that part, I'm like, like, it's gonna be that's tough to kind of make interesting, And that's kind of what I don't like about it. What's something you think is underrated? My cats,

my cats are underrated. I think, yeah, what's your called? Cindy and Archie they're sitting right here. They're cool. Oh Cindy, you know, I just want to shout shout out to them. How long you have a few years. Cindy's younger than Archie. He's a big boy. Oh okay, how many how many cans? How many cans? How many cans? This there was my friend cats sat for a cat that had two full cans of calf food per meal, so eight four cans of caffoo perponsely sh it, no, we don't get them

that much. Yeah, and this this cat was like an abomination. I remember being like this is fucking abuse, Like yeah, that's like if they're sometimes it's like what are you doing? This is like not good for the cats. They're like,

well they just like to eat that much. And I'm like, you are in charge of the of the giving of the food, and they like the cat was like d claude too, So like when it was like hungry, was just like back the door, like in this very percussive way, but there were no clause and like this is like has tor you're just spelled Oh no, there's nothing worse than like being around people who were kind of like not the pets will or nothing worse than that. There's

nothing worse. The worst thing on earth, thank you, is someone who buys a dog from a puppy mill. Next anyway, Yeah, just shout out to them. They're cool, they support me. Are they named for anything? In Particulardy's named after Cindy Crawford because she has a little mole right there, and she's a little model, and Archie's a redhead, so I named him after Archie Comics. Okay, I'm a little weird. My first crush was Sidney Crawford because I'm a freak. Okay, whoa.

That's was very pretty. Yeah, and that was before the diet coke? Was she just straight up like she was claiming she drank full or pepsi, but she was definitely pepsi. Wow? Oh yeah, man, yeah, calm yeah, I was definitely. I was all nine. Oh yeah, that was a cut off shorts. Wow, she's drinking a soda by a convertible sugar pepsi pepsi. She didn't she had a spit bucket right next to her. No, no, not my Queen Cindy. She downed every single can, every take.

That was what a time when people drank pepsi. You know it was I drank pepsi when I was like eight. I was remember coming back from like a baseball practice, you know, it was like the summer, and I was so thirsty and instead of drinking water, just drank like three cans. Of people do drink that when they're just thirsty. Like I find myselfthing that sometimes and I'm like, what the funk am I doing there? I mean the fact that I remember it, like have a sense of memory

of it. You know, it's a it's it works, you know, it's more even even stupider. So I think it lit up all the like cocaine sensors in my brain probably, you know. I didn't like when the bloods and crips like real like you know, gang war was real serious in l A. I was like at the time, I was always saying I was always looking at my clothes as a kid, even though I wasn't living near that ship. But I was like, oh what about you? Like? What do I like? And in my mind, I'm like I'm

a crip. I'm like I like blue. So then when pepsi when Pepsi came out in the Blue Camp, I was all over that ship because I was like, miss me with that fucking red kid, even though there was like a little bit of redom the Pepsi kid, I don't know why, and like that was driving my subconscious pushed towards Pepsi as a kid. And then very quickly

I was like, this is whoa, that's fascinating. Yeah, I just I was just remembering that right now because in the picture of Cindy Crawford's like the old school red camp with like the blue and red on it. But then in my mind I was like, no, I was downing those blue cans, I remember, like a fucking fiend. Yeah. And it was all because of my perceived at least during a game. Boy, I hope that, Yeah, I hope fake immediences. Yeah. And then I think it's just more fashionable.

It's like, well, I guess Snoop is schoolboy queers are Yeah, alright, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and uh talk about some dystopian ship. Oh god, and we're back. And the Massachusetts Democrats have come up with a cool way for prisoners to be released that is not dystopian or weird at ah. Come on, I mean, you know, I just want to say this. You're going to know it's getting weird because I'm the First thing I'm starting off with is currently the laws around organ donation specific

to incarcerated peoples is as follows. The Federal Bureau of Prison says that prisoners may donate their organs while incarcerated, but only two immediate family members in the state of Utah allowed organ donation from prisoners who died while being incarcerated. Most other states do not allow organ donations from prisoners at all. Enter the Massachusetts Democrats of their state legislature. They have just introduced a bill with five co sponsors

that want to make this little change here. It says, quote, the bone marrow and organ Donation Program shall allow eligible incarcerated individuals to gain not less than sixty and not more than three not more than a three D sixty five day reduction in the length of their committed sentence in prison, on the condition that the incarcerated individual has donated bone, marrow or organs. So just treating the prison system god a body farm as a farm organs? Can

you give without that? Like you can actually give a lot well, I mean if you die too, I mean, like a lot can be I mean, but that's what I'm saying. If they're if they're making your sentence less, you have to obviously live, so yeah, narrow you could probably you know, you can don't and then like a kidney. Yeah, like there's not that saying, there's not you can't give a heart. I'm pretty sure one eyeball. I don't know,

but that's the thing to say. It's like so wild, right because it's essentially like, hey, disenfranchised person, now that you're here as a result of you know, you know, improper legal counsel, I want to knock a couple of months off your sentence by giving us your bone juice,

give us your bones bones. Like so like when the you know, when people were asking the legislators who wrote this bill, like what is like what huh why they're they're pointing to the disparity and availability for bipop patients

in need of a bone marrow or organ transplant. So that's the justification that they're giving for something Like many people say this program is on its face, legally dubious and unethical as fuck, but like democrats don't even have the fucking imagination to think of a solution beyond to take the prisoners bodies. Like if there's a disparity and

a lack of like access, address that, right. Yeah, the fact that you're your first thought when you hear that there is a like disparity or like a lack of availability for bipop patients is like, well, you know where there are a lot of bipop people, and you know they're like and you know what, they're probably pretty motivated to give up some of that sweet, sweet organ meat.

And like one of the legislators he actually said that he was was thinking of his friend who was like in need of a didn't and couldn't get it and was having to go through dialysis, and like that was

this guy's lightbulb moment. I do want to see this like Freaky Friday movie though, where they give the guy this kidney and then he like starts living the life of the guys in jail and has to you know, like yeah, yeah, it's just so wild that for these people, they're like, well, coercion is better, is basically easier than tackling a systemic issue, Like when it comes down to yeah, it's just it's just such a painfully like obvious depiction on how like even democrats like how how they're thinking

works when they're trying to make the country a better place or more equitable, which is like, well these people like a fucking like they're in jail man. Yeah, like give him a like give him an organ coupon so they can leave early. That it's just so fucked up. That is, like you said, it's so dystopian. Yea, it should just be we need to address this disparity, like

there's we have terrible health outcomes. Maybe go after why people in need of like increased treatments and things like that, rather than where are there some brown bodies lying around you have like ticking hearts. Yeah, it's the technocrat like version of things, like there's always going to be a smart solution. We're smart and we'll just use our smarts too. Smart up a solution that takes a little resource from here and puts a resource there without like addressing the

overall systemic inequality that's happening. That's cut that's made things so fucked Also, why aren't they aren't people allowed to donate their organs? Like if they're incarcerated. It's just it's such a weird in the first place. If you were like on your card when you you know, if you die, you're like, I want my organs donated. They're not even

allowed to say yes to that. I think I think it probably is to prevent something like this, where because they are human beings who have very little rights, right they and like by definition have very little rights, like they could easily be taken advantage of. So I'm assuming they have the law in place to be like and

we we recognize that, well, it's also illegal. That's the thing is that you can't there's no like the the Organ Transplant Act makes it a crime to quote knowingly acquire, receiver, or otherwise transfer any human organ for valuable consideration for use in human transplantation. So like there's I'm sure there's that.

That's why it gets a little murky when you deal with incarcerated people and like what they are consenting to are not And then other people point to also like just the health disparities that are are in prison populations, like people dealing with like hepatitis or like HIV, AIDS and things like that, Like there's also issues within the prison system where people aren't getting proper treatment for just

in general, like being healthy. In the pros and cons is like, yeah, but they have diseases, so never mind, instead of like they shouldn't have diseases, guys, this is a fucking another reason why. It's like, yeah, they're not

taking care of the root problem, and this makes no sense. Yeah, it's just like I mean, and and the other thing too, is like, you know, suppose someone is so desperate right to like get out, to like be free, they give up an organ that a relative may have needed down the road, and they're like, I fucking gave mine up because they fuck you know what I mean, Like like just this is it's just so fucking complicated, but also just so immoral, and like the idea that like even

trying and evoke like this lack of access to make this like a reasonable rational thing to suggest just fucking blows my mind when it could just be oh, there's a problem with equity and access for BIPOC people in the medicals base, because we've known about this forever, but they're also we've also known about like this you know, trend not trend, but tradition of experimenting on black and brown bodies in this country, especially in like people that

are incarcerated or otherwise. There's no there's nothing about this that is like a departure from like America's worst habits or like impulses or instincts. Yea. The most like neo libbrain thing I heard prior to this was Maddie Glaziers, did you see like in response to the Tyree Nichols video, was like, we should do a Police for America program where we have like students from the best universities volunteered to be parts of the police force, like we did

for Teach for America. Like that we fixed the problem by like just harvard ing up the police force a little bit. Is just like these motherfucker's there. It's yeah, I don't know. There's no one ye no, well au, no one's willing to admit it's a failure, right, you know. That's if you can then you can start over. But if policing isn't a failure, if the cartial system isn't a failure, then it's all about it's all about amending it. It's all about yeah, rather than like, yo, this ship

is a fucking shining L in our faces. And it's a failure. And we we talked the other day about just how little crimes police are even able to solve. But like we're we still love live under this presumption that like that's what they're there for, to keep us safe. And rather than being like no, the statistics to me seems like this is a failure. Like this this way of trying to you know, keep people safe as an actual failure. But we're not, you know, there's not a

critical matter. Like you said, a shining L. I feel like that's what they should see, Like that should just be placed in front, placed on everyone's like doorstep that keeps thinking this is going like the system. We should use an actual shining L to be like this is a it's a lot, we fucked up. Let's start over. You don't have to be like mad at the police, but just admit that this ship is the failure. We gotta move on. Put that energy now into whatever this.

You know, a better way to support people is because brute squatting it well, we gotta we gotta always just really pay attention and savor each shining L that comes from the cars raal system because they're few and far betwell, wait, here goes another one, Florida's Wheel of Fugitive. A Florida sheriff is being sued for defamation to the tune of fifty thousand dollars by a man who is featured on Wheel of Fugitive. What is it? You're wondering? Where the

fun the Wheel of Fugitive is. It's the worst game show that you could imagine. It's Breved County Police Department Sheriff Wayne Ivy spinds a wheel depicting mug shots of supposedly wanted criminals. The winner is then urged to do the right thing and turn themselves in or else the viewing blick will take matters into their own hands. Uh. And the sheriff, by the way, is also like a big fan of like arming citizens and people like doing citizens arrests and ships, which are by the way legal

in Florida. Citizens. Rest Here, we're gonna play a little clip of fugitive is just do this is not real? I can't go on. Oh my god, all right, piece o W. I'm Sheriff White Ivy, the Bravark town and sheriff's officer. You know they had the runner. Everyone's considered innocent until proven, I know at the lower third, like running a chiron. That's like your fucking rights. That's so subjects identified and disgusting. This are they going to be like are just running a scroll at the bottoms like

these people are guilty guilty right remains. Anything you say, cannon will be using getting like my rights are now coming in the form of a lower third as anybody else. Let's see who our future above the week is here in Bavark County. This is so insane. Speed up the wheel, will you? This is like I feel like I'm at a church carnival right now. Alright, folks, there's our future

above the week, white female data birth twelve five. This ship is fucking what Then they just show this person's face, their data birth, all this other ship because also it's what does it have to do with wheel fortune? It's just exactly right, are you buying a letter? Yeah, you're not doing anything. They're just spinning a fucking wheel. And then they're just saying, here are all the people. By the way, here's everyone's names, but this specific person you

should arrest if you see them on the street. You should approach this person like this is so insane. I can't believe this is real. Yeah, so the little disclaimer at the bottom is like, hey, we're not saying they're guilty, We're just saying that they are wanted at the time of this that this wheel, Except that's not even true. Like so this person basically sued him because at the time that they recorded it, he was already in prison.

And then it he like goes on this viral video that this motherfucker is making and like can't get a job, Like he got let go of by his job because somebody saw him on this like video that this. It was like on the way he was first day of work and he gets a call thing, sorry saw you on this Like this, this guy is real piece of work. He routinely urged the public to arm themselves should terrorists invade or Land. I guess ragging that he's one of

the most politically incorrect sheriffs in the country. Blamed the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting for not fighting back

hard enough against their attacker. And yeah, it is now urging random people in the street to scour the street first so called fugitives, because again in Florida, you can citizen to rest someone, which is you know, so he's like he he so he was probably salty when like Sheriff Joe R. Pyle was getting all the fucking oxygen in Arizona, or he was inspired by him like that. That's how I'm gonna do it better by having a completely just debase myself at every opportunity and show that

I have no soul whatsoever. Yeah, okay, anyway, so this person running that shafs depart. But I think like putting their picture on the wheel and just like spinning it is also like it plays into the cruelty of it all, Like it's like debasing to just have these like herassing mug shots on on there, like people at their lowest moment and then just like spinning them around, like like toying with their fate and their their lives in a way that you know, it's just it is dumber and

more evil than the society and RoboCop. It's truly just so extreme. Yeah. And by the way, A and E was in talks with this motherfucker to bring Wheel of Fugitive to national television at some point, weren't they wasn't any doing like cops Live and Ship too, probably like that that they had to take down. Yeah, Live p

D Live p D was. And also like at the beginning of this Wheel of Future thing, they show each person individually, so it's like they're still telling them to go after everybody, you know what I mean, because since there there, they're all on there, they say everyone's full name, they show their picture, so they make sure to show you every single person on there before are like, oh,

this is who we're gonna zero in on. But it's obvious that they're just like or screenshot this Facebook video and you can look at all of them exactly if you so please. Yeah, what would this TV show even be? I guess, oh, just it doesn't matter. I guess there are teams higher production value, Babs. We saw it the guys on a shitty green screen. The wheel could be digital or something. We can do more augmented reality stuff

and a R A R kind of thing. Yeah, I think that's all it would do is just bring more fucking shine. Yeah, Like I would have that like remember when CNN had the hologram like the yeah, holographic like versions of the people for like the election, Like they would just have like the mug shot rendered in three D and like you like in studio with I just imagining. And also the people on the show would be like, oh, we're the worst people you can think of that want

to be on a reality TV show. Now let's have them go out and arround to people, right yeah, and then we get footage of like people just going out and trying to make it, make it that that's what it would be, right Like, it would definitely just be citizens like hunting people down doing their best Tommy Lee Jones impression R. A analysis of nearly a year's worth of episodes of Wheel of Fugitive found that nearly one third of the four forty eight people featured in those

episodes were not fugitives. So just like, I mean, it's like the local news, just a video designed to make society around you seem scarier than it actually is and make it seem like you're like surrounded. But they couldn't even like fill out a wheel with enough fugitives, So yeah, they didn't. There weren't enough fugitives for them to do it.

So that's on the that's on the production team for having you know, making less options on the wheel to yeah, you gotta yeah, for the number of menu options for people you can pick off because they're fugitives. Wow, well it's a I mean yeah, the A and E version would probably be fucking demonic. Click. We have full three D renderings of people on an actual wheel, and then he throws a knife and the one that hits on the hologram board is the one that's selected. I hope

this guy wins this lawsuit. This fucking yeah. I mean.

The other thing is that, like they're going, I think the probably conscious gamble they're making is that the people they're slandering will never be able to stand up for themselves and like jokes about the amish kind of thing, Yeah, yeah, exactly, they you know, and in most cases, like one third of foight, I'm not great at math, but that's over a hundred people you know, didn't didn't catch the like had happened to them, or that it was like secretly

out there like ruining their job prospects. But what one person did. But you know, it's probably a pretty pretty safe gamble. You know that those budgets could be going to something else, Yeah, you know, then buying the sheriff of fucking a v setup so you could do green screen graphics. I got some crazy idea, man. Yeah, have

you ever seen Wheel of Fortune? Yeah? Well I haven't, but I figured there's got to be something where you spin a wheel the words no words, no words, there's nothing spelling at all, because I can't even spell the fucking I can't even spell fugitive, right, man, will of the fugitive? That fucking sound like someone had they had to record that. Yeah, that multiple people, the space yelling out wheel of Fugitive. I can just see it, like

it's like the We Are the World video. A lot of these fucking backwards people who are like so into like, well, oh ugitive? Was that good? Phil? All right? And Ivy like comes in and he's like no again. It's like the Quincy Jones of it. Yeah, I want to hear your teeth, nash In. Yeah, so true piece of ship. Let's take a quick and very real thing, true pieces of ship and a very real thing. We'll be right back with more pieces of ship. Oh for breakfast and we're back and Dr Phil m hmmmm, oh my god.

Oh Dr Phil. Also just like we just started with an exasperated mention of it, and we all just kind of let that say, the comparisonive of Tommy Lee Jones and how cool he is in the movie The Fugitive, and how open he is to like what like what you know, often like being wrong, and just that compared to the real cops that we have. That's how you're like told cops were Yeah, this is this is the thoughtful. If they had to kill a guy, it's because they

thought about it deeply. It's part of the character. I didn't arrive at this moment lightly. He says he doesn't care if he killed his wife, but he actually does, and that's what's cool about him. All right. Dr Phil, who as we've mentioned before, is not a licensed psychologist, is ending his show in which he's acted as if he's a licensed psychologist for twenty one seasons, so you know, breathe a sigh of relief, except it's not really ending.

Reruns are gonna be syndicated with new wraparound material filmed with Dr Phil through at least the season. I'm surprised they even like break those break this show into seasons like ours. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I was like, this is I guess let's call it a season. But yeah, he has He also hosts two podcasts, is the producer of several other TV shows, and is now hinting at a new TV endeavor that will allow him to engage with a broader audience because I have grave concerns for

the American family. This guy is such a fucking creep. Like I used to when it came out. I love the show because I had no empathy and I had no lived experience, and I like to show where I could laugh at people who are down and out. Yeah, and Dr Phil would be like, what hell like you're addicted that you're addicted to drugs because you're tormented childhood. Now I live in the real word phone and you're

like if you're like yeah, And I'm like exactly. And it's like such a fucked up way to even portray like what help is or what a fucking therapy or a psychologist or any of that ship is because at the end of the day, you go and you can they point at you and laugh like is really what it? Or get or they gawk at you. I still I can't believe he's still on Like how I don't even know he was still on the air. How is this

still going? Yeah? God, I wonder if there are people who are like I've not I don't want to try therapy. I've seen Dr Frenk, I know how that ship goes. Like I'm gonna be just you'd be surprised how many people come on the show and they say, Dr Phil, I know what you're gonna say. I watched the show all the time. I'm enabling my child, like, and they was like, and I know that. And then they're like, well,

then what are you doing? But are people you know, because they even tell Dr Phil like my life and shambles, I watch your show every day and I can I can say these buzzwords and I still can't get anything out of value from its, right. She was like, all right, well let me tell you in person. I live in

the real world. I love as well. This is like a really fucked up episode that a lot of people were commenting on where there's this young woman who like was obsessed with this makeup artist on Instagram that she never met, and it was like insisting that like they

were in a relationship when they weren't. And when she comes on the show, like Dr Phil is like just talks down to her the whole time and she had like a lot of trauma in her past, and he like lists it all like on a like on a fucking graphic and you're like, dude, this is really like to even write this ship out, it's like feels very fucked up. And then and then he'll do stuff where she'll be like, well, I don't want my mom my birth mother here, like we have no context for why

she wouldn't want the birth mother. He's like, well, this is my show, so do you want to go? And she's like no, no, Dr Phil, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's like, that's what I thought, because I decide who's on my show. And you're like, what, You're not even helping this person. You don't live in the real world, motherfucker.

You have been like the weirdest little microcosm where you are like the god emperor who gets to determine everything and just like past judgment on people in a way that does not exist anywhere else like you are you are a sick fuck No, you're like an uber rich person who comes down out of their little tower to get to just yell at people. Oh, look's wrong with you fucking creeps? Man. I gotta go in my Bentley helicopter goodbye, like he really did. There's look, so I

have this weird. I'll check in with the Doctor Phil episode every now and then because, like on YouTube, it'll have like the most salacious hook where you're like, this is not offering humanity to the subject of this episode at all, and it's like, you know, it's like it's wild to me. So I look, there was just one like elderly woman who was like a terrible like a nightmarish grandma basically or mother in law. And come to find out, like he pulls out all this terrible all

these terrible things that have happened to this one. And then if they get to the end of the episode and you think he's gonna offer her some kind of insight and goes, hey, so you know what this is MS suggestion for you? He say, you start going to therapy. You know why because you've got a lot of stuff messed up right now. And that's like, and that's gonna do it for and that's gonna do it this week for us folks check us out on Facebook dot com

slash dr Phil. Like that's the like the end of an episode and you're like, this has no fucking value. I mean, to be fair, I hope he's doing that to everyone who comes on the show, right, Yeah, he does exactly, but it's so weird. But like even as a as an audio track therapy just because you're pretty messed up and you're like, that's not a thing to say to someone who needs therapy, like you says that needs to help and go because you're pretty fucked up.

That's me. That's Dr Phil al right, folks in the plus it's on. I hope this didn't mess anything up for you. I feel like all of his power lies in his mustache. I feel like if we could get the mustache, he would be bereft. Yeah, he would not. He would look strange. I mean that mustache is conspicuous and like precisely where together Oh my god, no, yeah, oh yeah he did drop. He looks like Rudy Giuliani's like Bully Brother without Yeah, his face just kind of yeah,

I don't I don't like it. But okay. So he's also the creator and producer of multiple scripted dramas, concluding bull what like It. So had been on CBS, right, because I'd imagine like he's he's like just yeah, that's right. It was. It was like an CBS nighttime scripted series. I remember there was like all sorts of problematic ship with like how the star was treating women co stars, but it was a drama, so I didn't quite get what it was. All it was like Bull is like

takes no crap from anyone. He's just so like he's like a human lie detector who tells it like it is, and that is supposed to be inspired by the early career of Dr Phil mcgarraw. But he's a trial it's a trial consulting firm. Yeah, yeah, with with lawyers to be like I'll tell you how it is. He's like the trial science guys like you want, but you want a jury who thinks like this, who thinks these people aren't even human. That's how you get your That's how

you can get your client off. Like it's that kind of stuff like this, you know, trial science. There's this interview where like people are asking him he the way he pats him his fucking self on the back is absurd. Like he was talking about this show like a Critics Choice or something panel, and he said the show was never he said, quote, it's not autobiography, autobiographical, it's just

inspired by me. And then he goes on to say, I like the way the show tracks, how we did the right thing and tried to take the higher moral ground in these cases. We kept the moral compass. Sometimes the law doesn't always get it right. And oh, sir, oh so you're you're the person there to person turns out, Yeah, so it turns out you're like, and that's me something,

the guy who knew more than the legal system. Shout Up Bull stars Michael Weatherly is Dr Jason Bull, a plus on the name, in a drama inspired by the early career of Dr Phil McGraw, the founder of one of the most prolific trial consulting firms of all time. Brilliant, brash, and charming, Dr Bull is the ultimate puppet master as he combines psychology, human intuition, and high tech data to learn what makes jurors, attorneys, witnesses, and the accused tick.

I mean that guy seems like the ultimate puppet master. Oh yeah, I mean, have you heard about his his onset behaviors? Oh yeah, yeah, Mike, Michael Weatherly, Yeah yeah, he was like, yeah, because I think this was when Eliza Douchku was on the show and he was like, this guy's making lewd comments and ship and that she settled with CBS for like nine and a half million. When he that was he was like part of the investigation and the CBS, which so cool. So that guy's

playing Doctor Phills paralleled analogous character. But and then he also produced the show The Doctors, which I wasn't aware of, but I think it's like a daytime sort of chat show. It's basically like an offshoot of his Doctor philm with real doctors. He was like, what if the Doctor Show had real doctors? I was like, Dr Phil also made appearance back in the day when Brittany was put into her conservativeship. He showed up to the hospital that weekend.

What's your take on him during that period? Was he like, do you think he was being opportunistic? Probably apparently he was like friends with the parents and that's why he showed up. Yeah, which makes a lot of sense the way he because you look at the way he treats younger people who are like struggling mentally. It's always this patronizing boomor ship, which is like, well, here's the deal, son, I got bills to pay, so I'll pay them. I

don't care if I was in the Iraq War. Like you're like, what's just like what the fund is this? Like it's not even advice, but it's just always it's just so dismissive of everything, which makes that completely tracks now because they're probably looking for somebody who would like confirm that, like their worst urges are the correct one. We just need to imprison her, right exactly that basically what was going on. Yeah, I can get you lithium.

You need lithium, I'll get you lithium. I have half my fortune tied up in those uh teenage camps where you kidnap your own child and send them to a wilderness camp and try and break down their personality. That's where most of my money at this time. Whatever you need, I also got. I got lauded in them too. They

don't really like that. No, my god, I got. He's also the producer that show The Doctors, which was recently levied with a human rights complaint alleging race discrimination, sexual harassment, and retaliation behind the scenes. Yeah, the New York State Division of Human Rights. In US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission received a complaint alleging race discrimination, sexual harassment, and retaliation.

And like I said, basically, somebody was fired for suggesting that the show needed more diversity among the staff and guests, and they were informed of their being realised or their agent was informed of their being released by McGraw's son, Jay McGraw, who owns the show and Los Angeles based Stage twenty nine Productions. So I bet that's a cool place to work. Well, I live in the real world

where people. So my son runs a studio that I bequeathed him based on made up stories about when I was a magical man who could tell jurors who was lying. I live in the real world, the real world. My son built this production production company from the top down. I will not be here to hear his name slandered. I live in the real world. I live in the world.

It's fucking wild. And there's some really good, like cutting commentary videos on YouTube just pointing out like how at every turn he just he makes the absolute world like if you're actually trying to help someone or talk to them and not just make like salacious TV. I feel

like he just to me has ultimate dad energy. Maybe that's because my dad slightly looks like him, but just yeah, that patronizing like for some reason people are just like, yeah, okay, you're telling me what to do, I must do it.

I think it's really what's really dark about it is that like he because he's using like psychology speak and therapy speak, the presumption is that he's actually approaching this with some kind of empathy or Karen, because he goes Dr Phil, yeah exclusively, and you get there, he's like, I shut the funk up. You ain't arguing with me. I got on my fucking sid not today, motherfucker. I'm

Dr Phil. You know the show Don't Stop for a hoe. Okay, Like that's his energy with these people, and it's like it's truly maddening when you like just kind of you kind of see like these people go on there like yeah, maybe this will help, and then at the end it's just like, well, you're messed up in all these ways and you need a dog and shout out to North Star Kennels who are gonna gift you your own up. I'm actually I'm down with this advice. You need a dog.

But yeah, the best is when he'll he'll he'll hear all this complex ship and he just ends it with, Damn, you're pretty messed up. You need a therapy. North Star Kennels owned by the McGraw family and runs by teenage labor of teenagers we've kidnapped and put into Scared Straight Wilderness or what you do is, hey, is your team acting up, We'll send them to my north Star team camp where we'll get them right. But they're really just laborers.

That is Yeah, that is the whole industry. But I don't I don't know how much we're talking about on this show, but it's it's like they if you have a kid that's acting bad, like parents will reach out and basically do what Britney Spears appearance to just like get it off off your hands, kidnap them, take them away. There's tons of those. There's like, you know, pregnancy equivalent ones to Jesus, Yeah, that wilderness camp. That is a huge industry, Like I remember that one was growing up.

I feel like Dr Phil's gotta be gott to be involved in yeah, because it is like just an extension of like your kid doesn't need like help, he needs to be fucking screamed at while he's shivering cold on the mountain side right to love. Yeah. Yeah, because here's the thing. I can't break the cycle I've been subjected to as a child, so all I can and I'm not willing to even confront that. So the solution is

to brutalize them. Yeah that's hey, kids, they got it too easy, not for us in the real world where our parents had PTSD from World War Two and didn't have it figured out. Thank you, Thank Babs. Such a pleasure of having you as always. Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff. You can follow me at Bab's Gray on Twitter and Instagram and all that stuff,

and uh, yeah I'm out there. I'm gonna be doing a lot of stand up this year, so follow me and find me coming to your town hopefully offer a dirty soda, you know. Yeah yeah, um and then yeah, Abstinence is my sobriety podcast. It comes out well every week sort of. And Lady to Lady is my comedy podcast,

comes out every week on Wednesdays. Yeah, any surpris eyes is about abstinence or sobriety that, um, you know what sucks is my stand up is a lot better in that, Like you're just so clear on stage, and yeah, I'm just like I'm very clear and like more just sharper and all that stuff. So I feel like I'm more

tuned into the crowd. Like what was your what was your like pre stage regimen, Like I think like in the last year, I've kind of been having like a drink or two or been like getting you know, kind of like just been getting loose before my sets, and it was now, yeah, you take the stage kind of just like, yeah, I've got something to say. Yeah, I just kind of like to like loosen up. But I was like getting too loose and just not being sharp. And now I can see a huge difference, and I'm like,

that's so annoying. This is for me just like I see everything. Yes, I know all yeah, is there a tweet or some of the work of media that you've been enjoying social otherwise. I mean, I was just gonna say the Last of Us, Okay, that's not really that's you know, a TV show, get into it. I watched the whole video game, a video game I've never just

watched before. I watched my boyfriend play it, and it was very good, and I'm like excited to see the show, which I was still expecting, Hey, you haven't watched it yet. I watched like the first few episodes. Okay, current it's great. Have you guys watched it. I'm banking them because I'm I really want my partner to watch. But like it's easier when a show like that we can just keep going. Yeah. No, it's definitely one of those. But it's it's it's great.

I mean, I played the game too, and I'm like if and based on everyone's like, you know, I slightly read how people are talking about each week. I'm like, oh boy, it's a heavy lift. Actually, one of one of my tweets that I was gonna do was at listen up nerds tweeted, you will not get me to watch The Walking Dead for people who still do, word, that's hilarious. But I am going to watch the ship out of that. Actually, yeah, I'm not over like zombie stuff yet, so I guess I'll always have zombies in

my heart, you know, always. Yeah, it's a problem. Actually, yeah, you have whatever. You cannot donate your your organs of the zombies. You'll see, we'll see it'll be a Supreme Court case that's taking it all the way to the top Miles, Where can people find you? And what is a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying? Uh, find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also find me on Miles and Jack on mad Boost.

These new episode just dropped and also for fiance. Uh, this might be my last episode before I go on parental leave. I think it's so close, like within the next two days versus yes, I'm to say that I'm distracted is an understatement, but I still you know, when I have the time, I'm coming back. But yeah, uh so, thank you for everybody for all your well wishes and your wonderful d m s and tweets and and and

comments and stuff. I'm I'm I'm just I feel very loved and supported as I go into this, so it means a lot, And please continue to listen to the show. I will be back and I will be Daddy then and my takes will be who knows, where did you come back? I come back even Yeah, And I'm just like fully on some Dr Phil ship. I'm like Jack. I live in the real world and we're not worried about stuff like systemic way supremacy because we got bills to pay. A tweet I like is from uh at Gallant.

Greg just tweeted, oh my god, I just got that tar is short for conduct or uh. In addition to the last of us tweet, I like to tweet from Lauren at Not a Big Jerk tweeted, what's a performance where the actor is so when he does the performance for that, it's no one to do. I think that is the last one. Now, I think we're good. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at

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enjoy Miles, what song do we think people might enjoyed? Okay, so let's uh, let's you know, it's Black History Month and I want to play this track one of my you know, favorite tracks from Eddie Kendricks when he left you know, he's on his solo ship left the Spreme and it's called My People Hold on and if you know Jay Dilla, you know he sampled this uh in Donuts on the track. People. Um, but the original track is just really dope and just a very you know,

got great energy. So put this in your ears, Eddie Kennedy, my people. All right, Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of I Heart Radio for more podcasts. For my Heart Radio is the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcaster, wherever you listen to podcasts. That's gonna do it for us this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will to all that by