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which beer cans be. It's beer Can Appreciation Day. Okay, Apparently this is the day that the first beer can was sold in ninet and that was like a novelty, right bottles up to that point, And wasn't that like a big thing with cores in the pool tab and yeah, yeah, they exactly all the way from Colorado. Oh that baby Billy in the first season of that's right on the way from them. They called it here on the Silvil,

but it now all the way from Coorado. But apparently, you know how like people say, like I've heard a bottle opener be called a church key. You know, you know what I'm talking about. They're saying the first cans had to be opened with a church key. And now I'm like, what the fuck is this all from? Like they were like canned goods, like the first ones they were there were four ounces a quarter pounds with the back. My god, that's amazing. It's just meant to withstand nuclear

annihilation sounds well. Anyways, Happy birthday to all the beer cans. So it was a bottle opener. We just called it a church key because we knew how drunk everybody who works in the church. Yeah, yeah, all right, makes that's amazing. My name's Jack O'Brien. A K. What you gonna do with all that plump, all that plump inside those shorts. I'm gonna make make make, make you site, make you site, make use site. That is courtesy of Warren the wear Bear, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my

co host, Mr Miles Grad. Yeah, my name is Hiddo, no hole with a dad. Bob changed the diapers as I listened to my motherfucking iPod. Okay that was from down road DAO, But shout out Pat on the discord who gave me a down road d O a k to change change of diapers with the iPod. There it is, which you know it's coming coming soon, coming soon. But yes to one of these days you're gonna show up and baby in hand and cigars handing out cigars. You know what, everybody, Jack, You're gonna have to smoke a

blunt that time. Yeah, I Will already, yeah, already cleared it with everyone. We're good and yeah, it's gonna be like that episode or that scene in Goodwill Hunting where he shows up and he's just not there and that that's the best thing, best news you've ever heard that gang, because it means baby is en route. Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hlarious writer, comedian podcaster whose byline has appeared in g Q, The Ringer.

He is the senior film and culture writer at up Rocks and the host of Film Drunk, The Frodcast, Pod Yourself a Gun, Pod Yourself, The Wire. Welcome back to the show, Vince Man seen in I'm so glad to be here, but unfortunately my lawyers have advised me against doing any more freestyling on podcasts, So I'm just gonna leave it at that and I'll let you guys, let your work stand for what it is. Yeah, it's really good, Thanks so much, Thank you so much. What's new with you? Oh? Nothing,

I did. I'm I'm coming up on months? What is it? Six Team of Dad Life? So congratulations upcoming to Miles. Yeah, how are you? What's what's six team? What's it like six team? Like, what do you when you look back at someone like me who's on the precipice and where you're out, where you're at six team in I'd say the first two to three months are right off because at that point, like they can't see you or smile, Like once they learned to smile, it starts to get

a lot more gratic. It gets like progressively more gratifying, Like they learned to smile, and then they gained the ability to laugh, which is great because then you spend all your time trying to But that first two months of just like pooping glow worm that wakes you up in the middle of the night, that's yeah, yeah, you know, I'm ready. You know, I've I've, I've I've I've spent countless hours holding a PlayStation controller wondering is there something

better I could be doing? So I feel like taking care of a newly birthed life form will be a good The only good thing about the first two to three months is that they just stay wherever you set them down. Yeah, that's what I say, is yeah, they're like get one of those Moses basket, Like just get

a thing. You could be just you know, throw over your shoulder and bring the baby around the house with you so and set them down in the river, just like Moses with a note and hope and hope he makes something himself, you know, Vince, I did want to talk about So I've lightly talked about Babylon, just like as not not in great detail. But I do hate when a podcast I like doesn't like a movie I

like and doesn't give the alternate point of view. When I got out of Babylon, went right to the Metacritic to be like, what what are people saying about this film? Am I crazy? Turns out I am, and one of my favorite critics then one, Vince Mancini, gave it a glowing review. So I just want to give you thirty seconds. Well, what's the case for Babylon? See? I mean, I love a scat movie, and I feel like he just over the top scat the whole time. And first of all,

I'm a huge sucker for that. Like the first five minutes is just uh, like a set piece where an elephant poops on the camera and then there's like a big cocaine orgy and then uh and Fatty Arbuckle getting a Golden Shower that was supposed to be Fatty Hardbuckle. See, I feel like I just didn't I wasn't there, I

wasn't crazy. You missed all the references, many references, So I don't know, Like it was three hours and ten minutes, and I expected to be really bored because I'm like, I'm King of the I hate long movies, Brigade, and uh, I really just wasn't bored for that whole movie. And even while I'm watching it, I'm thinking, I feel like I've seen this movie like two or three times before. Like it's almost the same as the Artist. It's almost

the same as Singing in the Rain. It's almost the same as like any movie that deals with like the switch over from uh, silent movies to sound like yeah, yeah,

we've seen that movie before. But I was like really into this one, and it kind of to me like the best kind of movie is one that's like sort of self explanatory, where like he was he was showing me why movies are magical, where I was like, I shouldn't like this movie, and yet here I am enjoying it and not being board, and there's I don't know that there was something to that to me like he was sort of he was clearly doing it deliberately, and I thought he was sort of making a case for

movies just being larger than life in that way. That's you just keep wanting to watch Brad Pitt do stuff for whatever. It is hard not to watch that guy. Yeah, all right, well there it is. And I didn't realize I had so much scattological stuff and now yeah, I was like like in Vince says, it's pretty shitty in a good way. I mean, I was watching it being like, I know a lot of people are gonna hate this, but question I like watching the fact. How do you

feel about Elvis? I see Elvis, I kind of think the same thing where I'm like, I know this is kind of bad, but I'm enjoying it, okay, because there's like there's clearly like for me, there was a fork in the road where I go, am I just gonna be like it's fucking bas Leman, and it's just a it's not a good There's there's nothing to say this is going to be good. It's bad as learnment. And then as I watched it, I was like so very

like I'm like, this is fucking nonsense. But at the same time, I was like, it's so wacky that I'm like, I can't say I'm bored at all. It's more just like it's a good for me. It was like a fun outrage watch. Yeah, and he kind of, uh, he kind of made fun of the idea of musical biopics, like you expect an Elvis movie is gonna like play the biopic hits and h His was like when someone covers a song and you can barely recognize the melody

in it, where what did they do? This is like a crazy remix where he's like, just yadda yachting over a huge passages that you expect to be in this movie. Yeah, and I like the Elvis would just blatantly go to the black neighborhood and be like, oh, this is where I came up with my my new song. I just they co signed it. They co signed it, they co signed it. So yeah, it was we We did say in our year review it was the year of maximalism

with everything everywhere, all at once. Are are are being movies that I enjoyed, that a lot of people seem to enjoy, and that we're super maximalism, and both of those movies are our maximalist movies. Like they're just like jammed packed to the gills with movie, which I think, you know, so maybe even if I wasn't like on the right wave length for them in the moment, definitely worth checking out. Alright, Vince, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better, and astro Teller listeners a

couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about how students at Stanford are starting to warm up to AI chatbots. Good signed for academia. Oh my god, this must be this must be difficult for everywhere for ever. Yeah, Professor's students been like, Dad, I give a fun enough to actually think about this. And then if you're not using the chap out, are you like the people at the Olympics not use it? Not like doing blood doping or whatever, you know, right, Like it's like, yeah, I

mean I get it. You can go to sleep at night, but you don't have that gold medal. That's right. You gotta c plus your English. We're gonna talk about Eminem's. They've decided to pause their quote unquote polarizing candy mascots because Tucker Carlson doesn't want to fuck them anymore. So we'll talk about that becoming an official part of the cultural conversation. We're gonna talk about a documentary that dropped at Sundance that's apparently unfinished, but it was happening in secret.

It is called Justice, by the director of Swingers and Mr and Mrs Smith, and it's his first documentary, Doug Lineman, and it is trying to like look into the sexual assaults of Brett Kavanaugh, the many claims, and uh yeah, it seems interesting. We might even get into why somebody should just burned them on the Lisa, all that plenty more. But first, Vince, we do like to ask our guests,

what is something from your search history. I one of my most recent searches was Charles the Second, how many grandparents? I don't know if you're aware of the very inbred Habsburg King. He's like a weird obsession of mine. And the answer was he had nine great grandparents. You're supposed to have sixteen. But he came from like a long line of number a long line of uncles marrying their nieces. Like it's really hard to figure out the family tree

because it's so inbred. But like the the number of great grandparents is like a nice, nice like mathematical thing you could put on it, loop backs in mobias strips in there. There's something. For whatever reason, hearing an odd number was the most unsettling thing. Yeah, he's got a family tree. That's just like an extra drawing. Yeah, right. Yeah. The Habsburgs were really like they just kind of carefully bred and married their way to power. Like yeah, for

the most part, Yeah, that's how they did it. And then they were great at like you know, every other potential are dying and then you know, inheriting a bunch of stuff. Yeah. So, like all these rom coms that tell you you should like marry for love and you know, just do what feels right in your heart, you wouldn't

know the name Habsburgs. You might not even know the country Austria if if it weren't for a bunch of people just you know, biting down and marrying for whatever was whatever their dad told them to do, essentially to make them their family the most powerful. And this guy was like a good culmination of that because he like apparently is he had the huge Hapsburg jaw where he could barely chew food and was apparently like apparently was also in continet and uh, you know, differing accounts of

just how messed up he was. But they kept bringing in like other princesses from other places to try and see if he could produce an air And I just like the idea of, you know, these people keep bringing in princesses to see if they can procreate with this guy who is like it's like himself, and it's like,

I have nine grandparents. You're like their family line is like Legend of Drunken Master, except like where they just where where the alcohol instead is replaced by inbreeding, and it's just like we got like inbreeding is are superpower, but it's also like eventually going to fuck us off to the point that we can't even like see straight. Anyways, I like to throw in a good Legend of Drunken Master reference as early in the possible. What is something

you think is overrated? Vince? I think canceling plans is overrated. I don't know at what point, like it became a thing to brag about how much you enjoy canceling plans online, But I don't know. I personally hate when people do that, and I don't think it's that cool, and I think you should. It's more fun to meet up with people. I think it's it's cooler to just say no, yeah right, yeah, I don't cancel them, say you want to nah, because

then the person knows how much food do you get? Yeah? Exactly? Oh yeah, No, that's that's poor form. You know what I mean. If if there's a head count and you've got to provide or whatever, and then people suddenly like of the guest list, like you know what actually nah? Yeah, and everybody has that one friend who doesn't like to disappoint people. So there there maybe is like an automatic no and there and there yes is actually you translate

it back to a maybe in your mind. Yeah, they're like, look, John is gonna say yes, but it's a no. I know him. Two days out he's gonna be like, hey, actually, I'm like already know alad nobody sorry, we we didn't even buy enough for you. Man, it's I don't know what you said. I've known you since pre school, man, I know what, I know what. Yes, me, I got doing frozen pot stickers and Casey decided to show up. That's gonna be your food. It's a very good point.

It's it's a thing that I think it's been an underrated on our show, and I vehemently agreed with that because I do have social anxiety and sometimes it feels like a lot to show up to a thing. But usually when I show up to a thing in after the fact, I'm glad I did right. But I think

more than I think more. The thing that we liked about the canceling plans thing was just was more so saying no to offers of plans, because I feel like that was the big pandemic shift for me, was you say yes to everything pre pandemic, and then I was like, nah, Like being able to like have my own boundaries actually really important to me. So then on the other side of it, I'm like, yeah, you know what, Actually I

don't think I'll be able to make it. Where I used to be like I might, you know what, let me check, let me look, and now I'm just like, man, I didn't gonna work. Maybe next time. I did have a friend who was like an aggressive, aggressive invite turner down there where he would not only say no, but like reply to the group email with all of the reasons that he would not be doing that, and you know what had to respect it. Oh yeah, that's brilliant.

Were the reasons, like, you guys aren't my favorite conversationalists. I mean it was usually no, it was not like it was not like the Banshees of Initiat, and it was usually more like he didn't want to drive more than ten minutes, and it would be like, oh, sorry, I didn't bring my h my East Bay passport because I will not be doing that. What's something you think is underrated? Beats? I really like like a good beat.

You know some people too earthy for them. No, the vegetable forms as as prepared by dre Is that not what people are talking about when they said I might be confused. Be good for the digestion in my personal experience, in my personal body, roasted, pickled, boiled, I like them all. Wait roasted? Oh yeah, roasted, that's the best way. How are they usually making them when they come like on a salad when they're cold, like beats on a salad

when they're how is that prepared? I think it used to be usually boiled, and now I think people have moved over to roasted because it's better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it just takes a long time, like golden beats of a roasted golden beat and beat juice, like drinking beat juice, just to like a pee rose. It's always fun to

watch my peak come out pink. Yeah. I feel like it'd be more fun for me if I wasn't a color blind so because like I can't really pick up the red in the urine or the or the stool as as well as people that aren't color blind, and I feel like I would get a kick out of that. Are you able to, like with those glasses work that they say help for people to be able to see

more color spectrum? Or is that just like an op on social media to be like, I think mine's mild enough to where it does it really help that much them? I think. I don't know. I don't know what the science behind it is, but I've tried different kinds of them, and it was never like, oh my god, I'm seeing for the first time. It was more just like, well, that looks a little more red than it would otherwise. There you Yeah, yeah, anyway, I'll pee rose on your behalf,

thank you. I think you know. On that note, I like asparagus because like it's it feels really gratifying when like twenty minutes after you eat something, like you there, you know it's in there. I wish there was more foods that I could be like, oh, it's like a prize for eating your vegetables a little bit. Yeah, what smells terrible, right, Like we all agree it smells bad. There's no one who thinks asparagus pist smells good. What

do you mean? I mean, like your own farts smell bad, but you're also kind of fascinated by them, right, Like I had heard there are some people who like will order asparagus piste through Reddit for him and then like had a chip to them and just you know, like wear it like cologne. But like that's not me, and that says that it's crazy. That was a fatty arbuckle thing. Yeah, that was the I didn't. There's a whole last list of ship that makes your pepe smell really Asparagus is

one of the most impressed. Like I'm always impressed how quickly it just hits immediately, and then it also will hit like a day later. Sometimes you know it's coffee, Okay, coffee, you know, I know the ones are coffee. You're like, whoa, Like if I drink a ton of like like uncut cold brew, that definitely comes up. They say Brussels sprouts interesting, okay, because it produces methyl cain or captain like gas. That's

one for making urine smell less than stellar. Okay. I'd say beats go like falls into that category of things that got a bad rap in the eighties because people were only preparing them one way. For me, beats were like canned beats, like bright red canned beats just I don't know why, but like yeah that and that was gross, like just but the same with Brussels sprouts just being boiled, and now they're kind of cool again because people were like, oh, you don't have to like make it in the least

appetizing way. They also apparently bred out a lot of the bitterness of Brussels sprout, So it's partly preparation, but it's also partly like that they've figured out the plant plant science that made them less funky. Yeah, I hate that.

That's like when, like you when you have like arugula and you realize you're, like, man, they fucking took the teeth out of a ruf like in America, Like it just doesn't have that kick anymore unless you go get rocket on the other side of the pond and you're like, oh, peppery. Everything is just being bred to eventually tastes like gatorade and like, yeah, I love this riptide rush salad. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back to

talk about some news. And we're back. And yeah, students at Stanford are starting to do what I would be doing if I was a student anywhere. It was exploring exploring the capabilities GPTs. These these chat bots, they're so fucking you know on point. I mean, we saw how they wrote like the Bible and the Voice of Tolkien

and it was pretty good and things like that. But apparently in like a Stanford, they did a survey for all like the students who just completed their fall finals for two and a growing number of them are starting to rely on the AI for finishing assignments, are getting ideas.

People answered this question. This survey very in a in a number of ways, but they said they pulled around forty students and about seventeen percent said they were using chat GPT to assist with their assignments and exams, and they said, of those seventeen percent, a majority reported using the AI only for brainstorming and outlining, and then only five percent we're actually honest or like yeah, yeah, I just submitted material written directly from there without any edits.

So I think I think five percent were I mean, I can see how maybe it would help you organize your thoughts, but at that point, like, what are we doing here? You know that the survey was conducted using the honor system that that catches so many people for plagiarism when they turn in the paper and then immediately confessed to plagiarizing. Yeah this, I'm not buying these percentages, but it is interesting to me to just think about,

like how how constant this is going to be? Oh, I mean didn't it seems like it would have been Standford guys that invented the chat GPT, so elon that other guy. I mean, Ellen only went to Stanford for like three days, like like literally forty eight hours. But it feels like the chickens coming home to roost a little bit, right, And the professors right now, they're like they're already discussing like in their own slack channels, like

how they need to like alter the curriculum. Others are like talking about going full bloodite on these students and being like leave your fucking backpacks and bleep bleep electronics at the fucking door when you take this test. Now here is your pencil and paperpose you as like a not very creative professor if people can face your class using a chat bot, Yeah, I just have to commit my essay to memory that I just wrote a chat bot.

But okay, and then you know, so like a lot of other the other professors have kind of been shocked by, like how fucking brazen some students have been. One professors like, I mean I told him, I said, look, if you're using chat like bots and ship, at least put in your work sited, so like you can at least fess up to the fact that you're using these tool or whatever.

And then this professor's like, I also got one that just had this sentence in the third paragraph that said, as a large language model trained by open Ai, And you know, I'm like, what the funk? Like some of the professors like, come on, like if you're canna even cheat, like fucking do some work you pieces of Ship. Uh so I don't know, I mean like what to do now? Right,

Like it's it's good at telling stories. We've realized that, Like it's really good at like narrative style, like like like these sort of rhetorical styles of different outlets and things like that. But when it comes tothing for like more complex that involves like numbers and sums or programming, like it's people get people are getting found out really quick. But it's not stopping from people from attempting it, which

is really something. It just seems like they'll need to do all the essays as like written exam essays, right or would it be like more like fucking Socrates and Ship, Like you gotta go kick it with your professor and like just just like you know, chop it up and then they go, Okay, this motherfucker understood the assignment this semester. Like if you don't have to think those kids are gonna have an earwig with chat and GPS, GPS CHET GPT telling them exactly what to say. You're you're crazy

and you haven't you weren't raised on eighties and nineties. Yeah, like in your theology class, your professors like so do you believe that the parable of the stoning of Stephen was the beginning of the other ring of Jews in the New Testament. And then the person's goes what that means? Nathan? For you, it's like just I don't know. I'm sorry, I didn't. My ear wig buzzed out. Do I believe that the stoning of Yeah, yeah, it's interest interesting times

for sure? I think yeah. And I think it's just weird to think of, like how you begin to see this shift? Right, Like I graduated college in two thousand seven, and that was, like, you know, spark Notes was like the highest of the high terms of something like eight. You know, if you didn't read like whatever this beloved or whatever books or whatever, you could just jump to

the spark Notes. But the idea of like even getting a hint on how to structure an essay, I can already see being like, all, I'm gonna write my paper thirty minutes before I have to turn it in. Now, I mean that's the tool. Like if that, if that's the tool that exists, they should be using it. I mean, if you can, if it's out there and uh, and you can make it into something coherent that works I don't know, it seems like it seems like you did

complete the assignment. Yeah, yeah, I mean as long as you're not turning it in site unseen without like reading the essay that was written for you and then like adding your own thoughts. I mean it's probably it's probably not great. It probably is smart for these teachers to alter their curriculum a little bit, but I mean it's importantly it's stealing a job from the student who was getting paid by other students to write their essays for for them. Like if that's just going to some AI

now right exactly? Yeah, that and that that's the real problem. You know. Sparks notes were so badad by the way they were meant, they were meant to expose you. Yeah, like if you came half cocked with like a spark notes fucking refresher before a lecture or something, they're like,

I'm sorry, what was that analysis of this? Yeah? I had a friend who showed up to this final that everybody else I knew had like studied a lot for and we're like really worried about and we knew that he hadn't studied at all, and uh, well, as soon as he got the test handed out, he started, he pulled out his his contact lens and was like stabbing himself in the in the eye with it, and then walked up to the front and was just like, I don't know, I'm having like an allergic reaction. Can I

take this? Take this later? And we got the test postponed for himself, and I appreciated that as a creative solution. That's a hustle he uses to this day. That's a that's a that's an education that you'll never forget. My most effective one was using nine eleven to get out of the chemistry test in high school. Yeah, yeah, I can't.

I can't use that one again. Ford. You have ever have coworkers that that pretended to have a child so that whenever they needed a day off and be like, oh, you know, Joseph just having a really bad day, I gotta go pick him up. That's pretty wild, though, mystery fake shadow child. I have a friend who had a troubled brother for a long time. Oh, using that one, yeah, the old troubled brother Dodge. Yeah, that's that's more brazen to be like, Man, my kids sick again, and yeah,

this funk October. You don't also because if you don't have kids, you're like so clue like and other people do you're so clueless about kids because he's got like that he got things. Yeah, I'm sorry what some kind of necrotic bacteria or something I don't know, s evertising or something. Get CPS called on you even though you don't have a kid, because they're and then they're even more word You're like, I don't have a kid, to like, this is so alarming, sir, you do have But there

we go. We wrote a Signfeld episode and we didn't use ai that that was your cue to do a Seinfeld thing. So somebody on like before Miles goes, can you get them to do a Seinfeld? What are they gonna do about my jokes? It's just gonna it's gonna take my's gonna take my job, all right. Eminem's have decided to pause their polarizing. They're getting campaign that those are their words, so they issued a statement beginning with America, let's talk. We spin a chair backwards too, and sit

in a chair backwards. But their hat on the other way. Yeah, it's always just serving when someone says we need to talk, or let's talk. Like when you schedule a talk, like just you the talk and don't leave it, don't leave me in suspense. You can just start off with the sentence that comes after America, it would be the exact same thing. Yeah, after that and the last year, we've made some changes to our beloved Yeah, that would have

worked just as well. But it goes on to say that Eminem's gets it quote unquote and realized that changes to their quote beloved spokes candies are quote unquote polarizing. Hence they've been put on an indefinite pause. So they're not using the spokes candies anymore. No more sexy Lady Eminem's. That was the problem. Yeah, Like it basically came down to how horny the green Eminem made. Tucker Carlson was

like the downfall of those spokes Eminem's. So everyone was talking about with so many It wasn't just Tucker though, there's so many other conservatives who like, like even it's and normally Tucker says something and like everyone falls in mind, but it's like so many people at the same thought simultaneously,

which is very interesting anyway. Sorry, Yeah, So, yeah, he had a segment last year where He complained that a new promotional rapper featured three female candy characters and a platitude about how the company is celebrating women across the country who are flipping flipping the status quo, which is like some you know, girl boss bullshit, like corporate you know bullshit. It's not fun to have to be like, no,

fuck you, Tucker Carlson. We're with m Andem on this one, because you know, this is just a cynical play to make money. But he then devoted a segment to a bizarre ran about how the cartoon Eminem's had been redesigned to be less sexy, with the green Eminem swapping her boots for sneakers, and like a real attention to detail there, like he's only he's only horny for people in boots as opposed to sneaker. Yeah, because he likes to lick boots.

It's all. It's always a tantrum that, like, I mean, they love capitalism, but as soon as they're not like the target audience for something, then they're mad, Like why is it this about me? Personally? Used to be horny for the grand Eminem. Now she's wearing ugly shoes and I hate it. Those sneakers ain't turning me to grant it. Downstairs, I got a problem with this, Like what the funk is going? That's something like this is so weird because their language is like that. They feel that, like it's

bullshit too for them to say it's polarizing. I'm like, you don't if you believe in some ship like you don't see people. I'm never like, I'm sorry from my polarizing remarks that I believe that prisons should be abolished, Like you're you're only saying that if you're like trying to seed to the other person's perspective. They like there was some validity to that, Actually that of a swing we've heard you were listening. Isn't this all taking attention away from the fact that AND and m's are not

very good? Like how often do you, as an adult person eat Eminem's, how peanut Eminem's I'm funk with heavy? I I just okay, to be honest, every I've had to go to like the pharmacy to get a bunch of like inoculations before the baby comes to ship. And every time I go, I'm always seeing new kinds of Eminem's because whenever I see Eminem's used at the liquor store,

and it's always like peanut almond plane. But then I went and they had like fudge brownie and like one with a cookie center, and I was like, yeah, I mean, I'll funk around. They're apologizing for the fact that the base product is uh forgettable, and that other foods you like inside like pizza, they go the combos route. They just they're doing combos. Yeah. I don't know, I really

like them. I was. I was, They're like in the early two thousand's, I was like adamant that they should make pretzel Eminem's, so I guess I'm like a little bit of an eminem fan boy. And then that they came out and they weren't good, and I was like, man, what did I do in my life too? Yeah, but you can see why there's no there's no controversy over the spokes candies for Reese's pieces because you know, nobody

cares about the marketing for those because they are actually good. Yeah, exactly right, right, Yeah, nobody's like et wasn't fusable enough. We need to Actually, it just reminds me remember The Demolition Man, where like in the future everybody, like the popular radio stations are all playing uh like commercial jingles. It kind of feels like that's what we're doing now. We're arguing over like whether the jingles used to be

better or not. I meanwhile, we're like, what about all the people that live underground who don't have access to the traditional economy? Were like, enough out of you. Dr Cocta is about to speak and Dan Cortez is on a grand piano singing the Jolly Green Giant theme song.

I remember that scene too well. But yeah, the Eminem's thing, I'm like, that's one like this has to be them just doing like rage marketing, like a like, are they just doing this to to like go to Tucker Carlson to then be able to pivot off of that, which

is such a weird. But if that's the plan, then why back down and make it seem like you're the Tucker Carlson was making a valid point about how the Green Eminem, and there was also initial signs that they were listening to Tucker Carlson even before this, because he was like, she she's not even wearing boots, Like that's

not hot, She's wearing sneakers. They redesigned the Green Eminem to have boots again, and but this time he was like, but now she's a lesbian, which is not like I guess she held hands with the brown Eminem and then ed like six years ago. But it was like a meme that circulated its way to his Facebook wall or wherever the funk he gets his news, and he complained that there was a plus sized, obest purple Eminem, which is just a peanut Eminem, Like that's the that's that's

the shape of Eminem's. Man. Yeah, it's not like she spelled before. I mean, it feels like the if you're the marketing person for Eminem, you're basically making decisions on who has the most boycott cloud. So before it was like, Okay, we don't want to get boycotted by people who think that the Green eminem is two sex positive, and now we don't want to get boycotted by the one who

is not horny enough from the Green Eminem. So it's like, I don't know, we're playing out culture war battles and like really random arenas like the eminem spokes people, it's great, yeah, and look they're winning, folks. I just want you might win some, but you just lost one. Libs, I wonder what that commercial is going to look at like though

that they've had to painfully tease. So now they're saying, but we got somebody that everyone can agree on, maya Rudolph Myls Like cool, thanks everyone, I am an acceptable choice. Thank you for Tucker's carl Yes, Tucker Carlson's favorite human a woman of color, like are we That's gonna probably outrage him more. That's why I hope it's a it's

a grand number. Maybe could you imagine if then they like double down in the commercially, like, ah, we got you, but you thought we were gonna backpedal, and we're like, this doesn't even make sense anymore. Just shut up. Yeah, it would be not at all. I was gonna say, it'll be interesting to see what they do. That's a lie. It won't be interesting. That would require me watching the super Bowl. Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break.

We'll be right back. And we're back. And so we're learning more about the alleged assaults committed by sitting Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh from the director of Swingers and Mr and Mrs Smith because yeah, oh yeah, and the very first born identity. Yeah, wow, look at this guy. So this was like a surprise album drop, like he funded the whole thing himself and like signed the whole crew too, n d as to make sure nobody knew

this was coming. And people within the entertainment pressers saying, like, it's pretty like the documentary world is not large. There's like, you know, a handful of three people get to make those. So people were really surprised that they were able to

pull it off and keep it a surprise. So they sped a rough draft at Sundance and so it's the first documentary by director Doug Lyman, who made all those movies we were talking about, And most of the documentary is about the accusations made by Deborah Ramirez who previously recalled that Brett Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken

dorm party. It sounds like they're doing like floating this out, using it to get attention, and then like going to get additional kind of material from the process of like

having a public that they're making this documentary. But they say the biggest reveal in the documentary is an auto audio recording of Max Steer, a Yale classmate who had previously stated at the Kavanaugh had his pants down at a party, but on the leaked tape he details the time of drunken Kavanaugh attempted to insert his penis into the mouth of a young woman at a dorm party while she was nearly passed out on the floor from drinking.

Didn't we hear this? Like we heard we heard these allegations too, didn't we Like wasn't like Debra Ramirez one of the people that they Ramirez was definitely one of the people. Then there was like an Anne this anecdote too, and the f is like yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked

to everybody. Yeah, I think there were similar things. I don't know that I had heard that one in particular the mouth one, but other Yell classmates in the suggests that Kavanaugh's team contacted them during the FBI investigation in order to try to steer them in his direction, which he denied under oath during his testimony. So the film basically contends that he committed perjury. Like that's is that

a disqualified? Like the thing about the Supreme Court is like they're appointed for like like is there any sort of is there any sort of avenue for him to face any consequences for anything impeachment. Impeachment which realized on which is a political you know, the the whole thing is still a political exercise, right, like in the same way that like he was approved by Yeah, it's still

going to go from the House to the Senate. I mean they voted to convert confirm him while all this like well that stuff was still going on, and it wasn't even in doubt that he was not going to get confirmed, which is like again, it feels like they're presenting this information to the public as if we have any sort of lever to do anything about or any

doubt about what kind of piece of ship this guy is. Yeah, and but and like when when all this was going on the first time, I thought, Okay, we're worrying about what this guy did in college. What about the fact that of the nine Supreme Court Court justices that are like approved for life and have like this insane amount of influence over the American people, two of them went to the same high school. Like that is weird to me, Like, how do you have like him and some other justice

went to the same high school. Like that seems like it should be an immediate disqualifier. Yeah, that was the same handful of law schools, and Brent Kavanaugh's father was like one of the most damaging like evil lobbyists of Yeah, it's it's bunkers. Yeah, I feel yeah, I feel like that they're this avenue is like something that people could understand why he's bad, Like they're trying to find, you know, the something that the layman can understand. I'm like, oh, okay,

well what if he was a rapist? But it's like he has ten other reasons that he should have been disqualified for before we even got to that. Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, it is kind of it's hard to see something that's sort of like those January six documentaries you see come in and you're like, yeah, I know right, you guys were the ones that were to do something about it, Like you don't need I'm I'm all in on fucking doing something about it, don't like most of

most people are. And I mean that's what's kind of a little weird. Like you're saying, Jack, like they hope that this like slow walking of it will inspire other people, but like at that point, is there going to be just uh, you know, we get to like a tipping point of evidence and allegations that they're going to try and do something that they haven't successfully done since eighteen

oh five. The movie apparently opens with Lyneman seated on a couch across from Christine blaisie Ford, who questions him about why he, a Hollywood director wanted to make this film. And I don't know, I haven't seen it obviously, but it does feel like we never get and then she is really not in it for the for the back of their head during that Q and A. But and then it shows her testimony. He's like, because the only way to take down a white guy is another white guy, right,

And that's what I'm hoping to do. What we really need is another He needs to be forced to do another tearful press conference where he admits that he likes beer. That was because that was what happened the first time. That was still like one of the strangest things. Like even when he like accused Amy Klobuchard, like are you a drunk? Like when that, I'm like, ya, this is we've we've left the planet here were you're seriously talking

to this man? When I catched my four year old and a lie like a at this stage of his lying development, his responses to get angry and like that seems to be what what Brett Havin I was doing is like he knew he was lying and just was like, well mad about something at this point. Yeah, what is it when when you have the facts, pound the facts, and when you don't have the facts any side pound

the table. That's right. Regal Cinemas is closing more theaters despite Avatar to like, you know, being one of the biggest movies around. They still have around five hundred theaters and are working to shed debt and stay alive, which, yeah, we're just headed towards monopoly, like an AMC monopoly. Yeah. Or Amazon, well, you know, Amazon is also a lurking too. They're they're they're dipping their tone in the movie theater business.

I can only imagine what it's. It really does seem wild that for all the amount of like just energy there's been around like movies just in the last year that well, I mean, the whole streaming economy is sort of a way to skirt monopoly rules because because they used to be you know, like your studio couldn't own the distribution platform, they couldn't own theaters, and that was why we had like this entire industry of exhibitors because

they were different than the studios at by design. And then the streaming was like, oh, how do we how do we circumvent that? And so now it's like two monopoly plays trying to do battle with each other. But

I feel like that's bad. That's gonna end up being bad for movies, right, Like if AMC is the only kind of power in the in the distributor for the you know, theater owner monopoly, Like it just feels like it's gonna be We're gonna have We're gonna have the m C. You on an infinite fucking loop when like when like those things merge, because then it's just all going to be about the bottom line. They're like, well, this ship gets uses in the seats and that's all

this business is about. Like we don't, We're not here to indulge people's creative I don't even think it's that, Like I wish the the end goal of a movie was to get asses in the seats, But now I feel like the end goal of the movie is to create users of that brand, Like the goal of a Marvel movie is not like, let's make a bunch of money on this one movie. It's like, how do we

create a bunch of daily Marvel users? So yeah, towels or daily shows or fucking even a news show eventually, right, But I feel bad because the Regal Cinemas commercials were really really bad? Were they the were they the Nicole Kidman one? This one has people doing like NonStop movie references throughout the theater, and it's just like and then Danny Trejo shows up. I'll just play a little bit because like it's they lays they lays it on thick. It's not a man person, it's called a satchel. You

can't sit with us. So you're telling me there's a chance I know it was you afraid oh broke as f okay that I don't even understand how these lines, the references don't even fit together. It's like, is uh, come see more movies so you two can be uh

obnoxious and desocialized. So the Danny Treo thing is he takes a sip from his drink says I know it was you Fraido because someone he thinks someone finished his drink, and then the pot next to him, says as if and points to there, like that's not a thing that's

ever happened. Someone went pp and his coat. I think that is the next line somehow, like no, no, no, no, no no, But like wait, what's the next line after that, because they just go no and then this hold of them me just we we do have to follow this from It goes from I know, is you freder too? As if okay, f lies what you sit on the

throne of lies? Oh okay, I think that's a Will Ferrell line from something m It's it's so weird how somehow the like really heavy handed, like trite version of the MC one is like, oh fucking love that right, because it's like so it's so over the top, you know what I mean. Or it's like, man, this is so like Nicole Kidman isn't working with any of these movies, but she's selling us on the magic of movies than

not the magic of being obnoxious to your friends. Yeah, like what I tell you about doing that goonies, Hey, you guys should have public So it's a little weird. It's the worst part of movies and movie going. People who only speak in movies. Yeah, right, double down on that.

Uh yeah, wow. I mean, I don't know. There was a time in the early twentieth century when like but not Please just went unchecked and then we had to like have two Roosevelt's coming, like Teddy Roosevelt come in and like break up monopolies, and then his cousin for some reason like come in and and said, it just feels like we're at the like pre I don't know,

we're at a nator, Yeah, we're at the second Gilded Age. Yeah, we're definitely at the part right before everything falls apart, and like best case scenario there's like some sort of breaking up of the monopolies and some sort of socialist movement. But I'm just I'm just sad they got through that entire promo and not one bar at quote, which I feel, come on, the thing is like two minutes long. I could subject you to it, but I think I think we made it out bore at free somehow. I've seen

that twenty times, so I'm sure. Yeah, no, no, no no, that's a complaint. Yeah yeah, actually yeah, your whole Babylon review was about that regal s m a intro thing and how there's no bore at quotes I found surprising. All right, and finally let's talk the Mona Lisa. A hoaxer posted a video of police cars in Paris and was like, the quote is the most TikTok just like dumb shit p o V. You're while you are in

Paris when the Mona Lisa is stolen. The video was more than eleven million times, confused a lot of people. The story was verifiably false. But then the same TikTok user posted a follow up video video claiming the painting was indeed gone, but the staff can't say anything. Oh come on, you think they'd tell you if it was stolen. That's that's peak. I have a girlfriend, but she lives

in Texas, right, you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, yeah, of course they're not going to say the thing that's a lie because I'm lying, But I'm gonna come at you first and try and get their rhetorical edge on that narrative. Yeah, there's also glass Onion, a knives Out Murder mystery spoiler alert. I love that that is the subtitle to that, almost as much as Ryan Johnson does.

But the Mona Lisa, like, it's about a tech bro Elon Musk character who has the Mona Lisa, and it's like, yeah, I just rented out, no big deal, and bad things happened to the Mona Lisa. So that's another reason that

it might be in the zeitgeist. But people have been arguing for a while that it's like the Mona Lisa is a bad thing for art, Like, I I didn't realize that of like the Louves Galleries, visitors are there to see the Mona Lisa and then and that like the process of seeing the Mona Lisa like is basically standing in line at the airport. You just like stand in a giant line with a bunch of like in

a giant like cordoned off thing and walk up. And if you've seen it in person, you know that it is the size of an iPad, Like it is fucking tiny. I mean you all, you just you just need to listen to that Lonely Island song about it, Like that's the that's the best part. Have you heard that? Have you heard from pop Star? The movie pop Star? There's a song called the Mona Lisa Your renover rated piece of Ship, And it's just like the whole thing is

just roasting the Mona Lisa, That's fantastic. Feel like the only part I remember it was there, does there Riza give a line in that, like a loose line in that to like kind of bolster his like rap cred. I think because someone says he's like one time I just saw him eat the whole blunt and I was like, this is great, and that's all I remember. But yeah, it is, like I think, because it's just one of those things. It just become shorthand for art. Yeah, it's

like Einstein shorthand for smart guy. And so every quote that someone wants to say it's smart, they give to Einstein, and chances or if you've seen an Einstein quote on a bumper sticker, it is not actually a thing Einstein said. Yeah. But so yeah, it's a it's a huge pain in the ask for the Louve for security staff and yeah, there there's this long New York Times article. I wasn't familiar with your Lonely Island reference. I read the New York Yeah, yeah, the paper of record. I'm over here

down with the with the with the piloid. Yeah, but some days the Louve has to close entirely because of how the Mona Lisa like is just over just mobbed by people who just want to be like I've seen the art one. Yeah, it is weird because people just go up like they'll just take a picture and they're like, all right, I'm supposed to do that a tiny picture. Yeah, alright.

I feel like this is one of those things where the root issue is that people are just the worst and we want to try and find like, oh, is it the paintings? It was like, right, not as the people suck and the more of us there are that know of something, the worst it's gonna be for that thing. Yeah, that's kind of my takeaway from this piece in the New York Times is just like it's gonna be It's gonna be some other painting if it's not the Mona Lisa.

But so I do have a proposed solution because the reason the Mona Lisa is famous in the first place, like it was a known painting, but it wasn't like the known painting until nineteen eleven, when a small mustachioed man entered the Louver Museum in Paris made his way to the Salon Karre, where the Mona Lisa was housed and just hid in a storage closet, came out the next morning before it opened, dressed like somebody who worked there put the Mona Lisa basically in his pocket and

then and then walked out, and everyone was like scandalized by it because it was like a pretty famous painting and it basically became the most famous paying based on that, and once they got it back, they were like hundreds of thousands of people would come every day to see it. So it's basically an early meme. Like it's just a meme that went viral. Like this New York Times art Gold compares to Kim Kardashian, but it's like, I think

it's more of a Harambee than a Kim Kardashian. Yeah, Like we're not sure why we're still into it, so we are. You're not sure what the funk happened there, but we're still like gotta see dicks out from Mona

Lisa boys. So my takeaway though from the origin story of its fame, is that something I've always said is that like art theft counter to like what you saw in uh, the Thomas Crown Affair, like art theft is generally very easy, Like when you go back and like look at the most the list of like the most like valuable art heists of all time, it's almost always like a smashing grab thing or like somebody just like has a gun and I was like, hey, I'm taking

this and down we're like literally shoplifted like off the all and like put it in a smock that they're wearing. So somebody just needs to steal a better work of

art than that. People want to be more famous in a in an ingenious way that makes people interested in it, And dude, that's probably the next level of like art market manipulation is like inside job theft to be like, what we need to do is get your art piece stolen, and that's going to exponentially raise the value when we recover it, because there's a lot of a lot of ways to manipulate the market. Like it sounds like you've been talking to that TikTok person first of all, yeah, yeah,

you have been talking to you artists. I'm like, look, man, I'll steal your ship for a cut, you know what I mean. I don't give a fuck. What's like the good version of the Mona Lisa that people could make popular and it would make people appreciate like how good art can be. I mean that question would require me to be a non dipshit person who's like not like Mona Lisa art. That's the only thing I know. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, I know fucking banks Oh ship, dude, that's banks What

did someone stole the banks? Dude, dude, Someone's still banksy, bro. Yeah, I mean I don't. Yeah, I think it's just it's interesting to see people get into art however they want to. But yeah, I mean, like I think some people like when especially tourists, treat art as like not even a thing that they're necessarily taking in. It's like, well that this like seminal work is housed in the building, I

gotta go say I stood near it. Yeah, like and then you miss all the other cool shit because I think again, like this, it all builds on top of each other, like where it's it's you know, like we taught, we laughed like it's a medieval meme, and then we now like with social media, now people have to prove that they've been near the famous thing at any possible moments.

So it's only like I think, exponentially like just sort of driven the desire for people have been like and here's proof that I stood next to this little pick all right, ells just covered in angel wings like angel wings graffiti like this. I collected them all. I went to all fifty places where you can stand in front of the angel wings on a wall and take a selfie in in Los Angeles. So I completed the quest. I did have to take a picture next to the I Love you All in Austin. That was That was

part of the that was part of the trip. We had to do it. Yeah cheers sign Yeah, well events, pleasure having you as always, Where can people who find you follow you all that good stuff? You can find my writing on up rocks as always. Um podcasts, there's the film Drup Prodcast, which is just us, you know, cracking wise about current events and movies. And then we do a the wire rewatch podcast called Pod Yourself the Wire.

That is a that's the second season of our original podcast which was about the Sopranos, which was called Pod Yourself a Gun. We're actually do ing a live Pod Yourself a Gun this Saturday with your producers are special guests and yeah, that should be that should be a good time. That's an s F sketch fest. Amazing. Where is that the piano fight bar? That's a fano fight that's right just for people? A ya areas night gang. I know you're out there because whenever we've had shows,

you pull up, So definitely pull up to that. If you like fighting and and pianos and also the pianos, come on down. Are you? Are you doing a whole like sort of retrospective. I think, oh yeah, Matt was saying, you guys gotta you guys got some fun stuff. Well, we hadn't done an episode about the Many Saints of new work the follow up movies, so we're gonna do that. We're gonna do our the Many Saints of Newark episode as a live show. Oh any previews? Are you also

an apologist for the Many Saints? Um? I wouldn't say I'm an apologist. I thought it was. I feel like it as a as a pilot for like a future TV show, I kind of enjoyed it, But as a movie doesn't I don't think. Don't think David Chase knows the movie format well, So it's like you get weird storylines that take up too much time in the movie and then kind of don't pay off. Yeah, he was saving it for a future episode. Yeah, awesome. Is there a tweet or some work of social media or just

media in general, uh, TV show, film anything? Yeah, I saw tweet I liked this morning and it sort of plays into our eminem discussion. This is from Murder x Brian. The only Wolke mascot left standing is the musa x booger Man. Yeah, King, King, that's funny. And what what is your movie film of the year? Do you have? You announced that? You know, I liked a movie called

Funny Pages that I really wish more people saw. And I think if that was really good, I mean just in terms of a lot of weird people, a lot of people that look like growing up garbage pail kids. It's gonna tasting. Yeah, you see the director, this is the first movie he really has an eye for um casting. I guess. Yeah, funds very interesting people. Miles Where can people find you? What does the tweet or work of

media you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray or wherever there's at symbols And also check Jack and I out on Miles and Jack got Matt Lucy's our basketball podcast and if you want to hear me, just spiral into it. Just despair watching fiance check me out on four twenty day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra uh tweet, I like, let's see. Oh. First of all, shout out to every person who tagged me and shams that Shams tweet saying that Ruey Hachimura was on his way to

the Lakers. Yes, fellow black and these legend is going to be playing in the City of Angels. I'm very excited about that. And thank you for everybody who was like Miles will like that because he is also Blazian. Is it is it official? That's happening? It's Sham's is saying therefore finalizing it right, Okay, you know what I mean. It looks it looks like it's it looks it looks

like it's happening. And plus like the Lakers love the Wizard, like I don't know, we've we were cozy together when it comes to trade, so it feels like there might not be too much friction there. Um. So shout out to everybody who tagged me in that because yes, I do look up to this man even though he's younger than me. And then another tweet is from at lob Chansky tweeted, I think it's so cool that every CEO at every company suddenly decided exactly five to seven percent

of their workforce needed to not work anymore. What a weird coincidence. Huh huh huh what was that about? Huh? Yeah? You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian. Do recommend Neptune frost on. I feel like we might have cut it out when I did last time, but that's gonna be my media recommendation. That movie fucking rules. Uh, sci fi musical very cool. And also a movie called The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I

didn't watched that. So my six year old favorite genre of movie and the only one he's interested in watching right now, is robot movies. So we went. We went hard on it with Star Wars in the past week. What about robot Jocks. Yeah, I don't know, Jack now up, dude, that ship is wild robot j o X. Okay, sorry I was spelling it wrong in my head. Of course I know robot Jocks. I actually don't have to know robot jocks. Oh it's something. Oh man, it's like it's

like Jude in mex Suits. Just it's it's about a future world war. There's no more war, so countries just have you know, they do war by with with with robots. Yeah. Yeah, that's more realistic than real steel where it was like underground robot. This is full on sanctioned. Yeah, like yeah, all these people just like scrapped together giant robots that they can box with in this abandoned warehouse. It was PG. Damn.

I didn't realize the robotox was PG. I thought it was like more hardcore than that, but that could have just been all these movies from me five. Ye, all these movies like Jaws as PG. And like you have to do a second round of googling to be like, wait, what is actually appropriate to a child? Because yes, I saw it when I was four Star Wars is not apparently appropriate for six year olds, but close enough two

years off. Look, if I'm watching Cronenberg's Naked Lunch as a seven year old, you know, and that's that's what I thought, But it turns out that like that rule doesn't apply. Like if I watched Indiana Jones when I was for like, my kids are gonna be fine with it, and yeah they'll be as emotionally malagest. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at daily zi. Guys were at

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