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No Trend November 11/1: Halloween, Hyper Caffeination, HBO

Nov 01, 202324 min
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In this edition of No Trend November, Jack and Miles discuss their respective Halloweens, the hyper-caffeination of America (feat. Panera Bread), and HBO's thin-skinned C-suite!

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Speaker 1

Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of No Trend.

Speaker 2

November.

Speaker 1

Mmmm except for today. Except today, We're gonna We're gonna try no trend. Yeah, I can't. I can't help myself, man, you know. Shout out to to somebody. A large adult adult son of Frankenstein tweeted, November sucks, can't shave, can't not and you have to write fifty thousand word novel. And somebody replied the Shining, which I guess. Yeah, anyways, play is that? Yeah, benboy wors and well suited the Shining, which I think that was the reference, wasn't it?

Speaker 3

No beer, no TV? Make Homer go something.

Speaker 2

Something something something something. I'm Jack, that's Miles.

Speaker 1

Uh.

Speaker 2

This is our first post Halloween recording. Yeah, how is your Halloween?

Speaker 4

Miles bro We took the Geist Child out dressed as Fucking gray Goo or Grogu, the child from the Mandalorian Baby Yoda.

Speaker 3

No, I was. I was thinking about that.

Speaker 4

I wanted this is to here's the thing I got my first costume idea got vetoed by her majesty.

Speaker 3

I wanted to be Quatto from Total people like. I wanted to.

Speaker 2

Get child like. Yeah, I wanted to wear your belly.

Speaker 4

Exactly because I'm like, oh, you could use a carrier and just kind of put like a skin colored shirt over and cut it out and then he looked like quatto just growing out of me.

Speaker 2

Got across the belly.

Speaker 4

Indeed, didn't like that one, so we went with Grogu.

Speaker 3

But yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 4

I I noticed some new someone gave handed out, was handing on mister Beast branded candy like this is too much.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and it was called uh D's Nuts.

Speaker 2

Was one of the miles it was.

Speaker 1

That's why I like such an old head. I was like having a kid these days, this nonsense. Don't get me started on their fucking work ethic.

Speaker 2

Am I right?

Speaker 3

I just want to lay down all day?

Speaker 2

What did you?

Speaker 1

So? You know, we had a lot of trigger treaters as usual. As usual, I like, got a lot of candy, and then by the end, I was like, just just handfuls, just giving them handfuls. Just please just take the candy. I need to I need to be done. But so we got a lot of costumes through the house, and the ghost Face from Scream. Yeah, the most popular Halloween costume by a lot, I think, Oh wow.

Speaker 2

Like by a lot.

Speaker 1

I don't know if it's just an easy one or what, but man, it like that Scream six really caught the attention of the youth.

Speaker 2

Then yeah, the uthe.

Speaker 3

Them I saw, the youths I saw were so much.

Speaker 4

Bluey actually, and I saw a lot of a lot of a lot a lot of army shit too.

Speaker 3

I saw, Yeah, I see like look his intact gear and shit.

Speaker 1

I was like, this is kind of yeah, I did see like yeah, And also my seven year old is like Star Wars has been a feeder for him into like being really interested in the military, which I couldn't tell Jack further from where I saw this going. But yeah, now we're a military family. Now we're super conservative. Yeah, we salute one another. Also, Adam's family a lot of great uh family wide Adam's family costumes, which was LOVELYE we did, we did all full Star Wars. It was a blast.

Speaker 3

Total recall thing was right there.

Speaker 4

The baby's quatdo her magicty could have been the lady with the three boobs from total Recall.

Speaker 2

I can't believe she rejected it.

Speaker 4

I didn't even even bring up that was the coup de gras. I didn't even bring that up first, I was always had that in my pocket. First, need to make sure we got Quato over the line. And when we did it, I said, was even probably want to hear about the three breast lady.

Speaker 1

I want to hear about my next idea that you're always finding yourself saying that, then you're probably not gonna want to hear about my next idea.

Speaker 4

The second one I want to do is krying from teenage un and Ninja tyas also really good. It would have been a lot of like like pink paint, like he's too cute to look like, too beautiful.

Speaker 3

I don't know why it was like fine, but.

Speaker 1

Yeah, rely on one of the most beautiful humans I've ever seen to look ugly, just like I feel like you got to play to your strength.

Speaker 2

A little bit here.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1

But anyways, I hope everybody had a happy, safe Halloween. Let us know any trends you picked up in your Halloween costume observation, Any any great ideas you saw well executed.

Speaker 4

Oh you know what I like though, and I wish I don't really have trigger treaters in my neighborhood. But we went to this part of town where there were, and I like when people have.

Speaker 3

An adult something for the adults.

Speaker 4

Don't got the alcohol, but like someone's like, hey, I got like y'all want some food, Like I got bags of chips, like like as if it were like a marathon, like hating some oreng slices because I know you're like you're just gonna be walking around with Kizzie candy, but you're like a hot dog like someone was grilling and shit.

Speaker 3

I was like, yeah, that's a nice community service.

Speaker 1

I like that dimension of shar the out I was giving myself as nobody wants like something outside of a package, like they're not going to trust it, you know, no.

Speaker 3

For sure.

Speaker 4

I mean I trust me. That was my first instinct. But yeah, I was like, man, as.

Speaker 2

The night wears on, you're like, yeah, actually give me that ship. Yeah.

Speaker 4

I'm at the will of people. I'm trusting people every damn day, So fuck it. If you got a hot dog and if you're flipping Lucy Glizzies out here, fine, yeah.

Speaker 1

And they also were like kind of grossed out because I had already taken a bite of it before I offered them.

Speaker 3

But you know, you're like, actually, I don't like it. But here.

Speaker 2

You could have it back.

Speaker 1

All right, let's talk about the hyper caffeination. Oh God, America, dude.

Speaker 3

So this coincides with something to happen.

Speaker 4

I was recently had a Panera bread and I was getting soup in a bread bowl, as one does on a hot Los Angeles day, you have to. But when I was at the fountain trying to figure out what to drink, I saw a bunch of these like charged lemonades, and the flavors were like interesting. It was just like it was like mango, yuzouz, citrus, strawberry, lemon mint, although.

Speaker 3

Lemon seams redundant because we're dealing with lemonade here.

Speaker 4

But anyway, and then when I looked at the description, it said had added caffeine, and that made it a no for me, dog since energy drinks aren't my shit, and also like they're not like I don't think of

caffeine caffeita shit as being refreshing. But then I really looked at the amount of caffeine and the servings, and I like, there are a lot of people have posted this is a picture that I took, but I posted in the dock just to get Jack's take on Yeah, what we're looking at here in terms of milligrams per serving. So if you get a thirty ounce version of this drink, it has three almost what three hundred and ninety milligrams of caffeine.

Speaker 1

Yes, three hundred ninety milligrams of the That is a spicy meat ball of caffeine. That is a crazy making amount of caffeine. Man, That is seven Mountain dews. That is Starbucks Trent Tuck the thirty ounce coffee like that, the Starbucks train Di I've always assumed is like that's gotta be the most caffeine that like one can consume in a single like with one hand, you know, keeping one hand for hand. No, we are, we are beyond that.

We're it's it's almost two of those in what looks like a non caffeinated beverage like this is it's.

Speaker 4

All those circulator fountain things like where you can see the liquid. It's not coming out of like a tap behind like you can see the lemonade in the clear container, like, oh, this one's pink.

Speaker 1

Okay, it's it's two no dose pills exactly. That's they just I and it feels like they probably just ground up no dose pills and put them in there like that's it's so much caffeine.

Speaker 4

I've never taken a fucking no dose, but that sounds like a nightmare.

Speaker 1

I did a sleepover when I was in middle school, and uh, like we were like, we're staying up all night and one kid, one kid took two and lost his mind and also threw up, Like.

Speaker 4

Okay, yeah, could to keep in mind that it will put a child into some kind of terrible state. So anyway, I just read a story in Rolling Stone about how a young college student, this woman died after drinking this

and now the FDA is looking into it. Now obviously these are this is what is being alleged by her family, but they are they're basically saying like they're suing Panera because they felt her daughter had quote a reasonably comp like was reasonably confident it was a traditional lemonade or electrolyte sports drink containing a reasonable amount of caffeine for her to drink, because I don't know if it was

labeled to this extent. The lawsuit also said, tragically, the reason why most likely that this could have brought on the death of this woman was that she had like a very specific heart condition that can cause arrhythmias or like abnormal heart rhythms when you have a huge amount of caffeine or doing a lot of strenuous exercise. So you're like, oh my god, that sounds like the perfect storm for tragedy, and it seems like it was. And

Panera responded not by pulling the product. They just put up a little fucking placard that's like, hey, this thing has caught caffeine consuming moderation.

Speaker 3

Not recommended for the softies.

Speaker 1

I almost got caught in a elevator because they had a similar they had this elevator is broken signed, but it was like off to the side on the wall, Like I almost I did get stuck in an elevator for like three minutes with on my way with my one of my kids to go pee.

Speaker 2

So he was the real nightmare.

Speaker 1

And like that, you can't just put up a sign to the side of a thing and assume that it's going, like when it's a thing that could like endanger people. Yeah, and again like there's too much institutional memory of drinks like this that aren't hyper caffeinated, right, people said, you know it's.

Speaker 4

When you're like, oh, lemonade okay charged, Yeah, like yo, turn up on this lemonade. But yeah, I already yeah, no charge lemonade. But I remember when I went in, like on that side, it just says like like with like with added caffeine for energy. Never told you the milligrams, but again that was enough to put me off of it.

And it's wild because people on TikTok have been like pointing out that these drinks are a fucking hellspun mixture that has some people just like having the jitters all fucking day, or people literally saying, quote, I feel like.

Speaker 3

I was like dying from this thing.

Speaker 4

And you know, like the Panera bread, like the subreddit, like there's employees that are like, honestly, we should be keeping this ship behind the counter, like this is not like then they're like icee kids drink this shit all the time.

Speaker 3

It just seems super wild.

Speaker 4

And at first I always figured these kinds of drinks were like just our capitalist jet fuel to like help people get through their work day. But like the increasing amounts, like we're talking about Prime and now this like there just feels like there's something like darker going on, like like these are just becoming cheap drugs.

Speaker 3

Or something that we can just get anywhere, yeah, or something I think, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1

Right, Like, I think it's obviously a combination of the two, like a jet fuel to get us through the day, but also like the fact that we need something to get us through the day is kind of dark, like the day.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we're I feel like we are. We have been for a while.

Speaker 1

But you know, we're a nation of addicts, and we just want something to deliver us from feeling what we're feeling at all times, you know, like deliver us from feeling the baseline human condition. We either want noise, we want you know, the characters we worship are always like triumphing over feelings set like they just don't feel vulnerable.

Speaker 3

Yeah, they're not drinking energy drinks that.

Speaker 1

They don't need it, they're just yeah, and like, so we just pursue an escape through drugs or you know, caffeine or consumerism, or you know, fighting each other on social media or you know, just an unhealthy relationship with guns.

Speaker 3

You know, just ye for everyone.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but it does feel like one of the cheat codes for capitalism is by selling addictive or mind all drink substances.

Speaker 2

Like that seems to really help like get them hooked.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and yeah, down your three hundred and ninety mils yea.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's it feels, it feels unhealthy where if like we're in a I feel like people don't want to admit that we're in the it's like kind of dark and meaningless eddy in the course of like human history, and so we just need something to make us, to make us gilding.

Speaker 2

Else get to.

Speaker 3

The next sunrise and just maybe it'll be different. That's yeah, grim.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, like the history of like the sustainably profitable things, a lot of them have like addictive substances behind them, like the tobacco stuff, Like a lot of the like unhealthy foods and shit. There's always something that's like coming forward, just like I was. I was just thinking about nicotine addiction, like now that I have like a little distance personally and like historically, I think from like the peak of my personal nicotine addiction.

Speaker 2

But like also you know when people just.

Speaker 1

Smoked everywhere, right, it's truly wild that like we spent so much time addicted to a drug that doesn't even make you feel good.

Speaker 4

It's just is your appetite a little bit, Just like.

Speaker 1

It can like give you a momentary feeling of relief, but like it's I don't know it gives you. I think for me, I'll just speak for myself. The thing that it gave me was like something to focus on besides in the middle distance, you know, besides the human condition. It gave me like another thing to be like, well, it'll it'll all.

Speaker 2

Be all right.

Speaker 3

You know.

Speaker 1

I didn't think that out loud, but that's what I was thinking at some level, is like as soon as I can get a little nicotine like that.

Speaker 2

Yeah, or better.

Speaker 4

I started smoking, like especially like in college and at certain jobs, because it gave me a reason to get the fuck out of the space I was in where it's like if it was class, I'm like, man, the second get I'll have.

Speaker 1

A cigarette and then or it's like a second I have a break.

Speaker 3

I'm not gonna have a break in the break room.

Speaker 4

I'm a goal fucker outside in the alley and then at least like do that like ben Affleck meme where I'm.

Speaker 2

Like looking at this stuff, looking at the sky.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but anyways, you can't well there's one thing you can always leave, even even if you don't aren't smoking just walk out of the fucking place you are and go outside and take a take a lap around the block.

Speaker 4

I know. But see that's how it's like sort of built in because a lot of times you're like shamed at a job. We're like, where are you going? Yeah, and you couldn't be like to sit on a bench out, so what the fuck is your problem? But then but if you go, oh, you're going for a cigarette, You're like yeah, and then suddenly we're fine.

Speaker 1

Yeah, anyways, maybe steer clear of this. I don't I don't see it like I I was. My first thought was like, well, I've got to try this ship and just like see what it does to my brain and body. And I still probably do for the purposes of science.

Speaker 3

And yeah, for sure, try Vietnamese ice coffee before you have this.

Speaker 2

I know, I got a lot.

Speaker 4

There's a hierarchy of caffeinated beverages you need to experience before you ruin your life off this.

Speaker 1

Yeah, me, my heart and my central nervous system have a lot ahead of us in the coming months.

Speaker 2

All right, let's take you quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.

Speaker 1

And there's a pretty wild story about HBO that was just published in Rolling Stone.

Speaker 2

Rolling Stone.

Speaker 1

Shout out to Rolling Stone. Still like doing some good good work out here. Yeah. So, apparently HBO are being sued for by a former employee who's claiming that he was harassed and faced retaliation and discrimination after disclosing a mental health diagnosis to his bosses.

Speaker 2

HBO denies it.

Speaker 1

It's in court, but the case and the discovery the evidence revealed some things going on HBO, specifically with like some of the executives who have since been promoted, Like one of these executives has been promoted to CEO at HBO. But HBO allegedly got this employee to quote perform menial tasks not related to his work duties, which included creating fake online accounts to respond to critics. Yes, yeahv shit skinned ass motherfuckers. It's a normal sized caller. Yes, I

love that, love that big. It's a normal sized collar. Find a new angle energy. So it all started in twenty twenty when then president of Original Programming Casey bloy Is recruited an employee to quote go on a mission and they were mythed at, a Vulture TV critic who criticized a single scene in a reboot of Perry Mason, which that was a show that was like pretty well reviewed, right, I believe my guess is that this scene was pushed for by this executive and they were like, no, that

was my baby, not U asshole, not today. So an annoyed Bloys hit up HBO Senior vice president of Drama Programming Kathleen McCaffrey, suggesting they find a mole to post something that could make the critic feel bad.

Speaker 4

That's in quotes quote feel bad, Like that's the length, like we wanted to feel bad.

Speaker 3

Oh yeah wow.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

They didn't ultimately go through with that one, but then they did. When Alan Seppenwall from Rolling Stone gave a middling review to a Joss Whedon show that literally does not exist.

Speaker 2

Nobody remembers it coming out at all.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so nobody remembers Joss Whedon to be fair anyway.

Speaker 1

Joe Whedon by the way, uh his name is just Joseph Whedon, and he was like, Joss, Yeah, baby, we did Josh Joss a Bank and Joss Whedon together.

Speaker 3

By last Josien Josh Byron.

Speaker 1

But they hired a low level employee to create an account under the name Kelly Shephard, an uh Texas mom and herbalist who just went after Alan Sephawall. And then they they got mad, like they just used this to just have thin skinned clap backs against people for daring to criticized, like various pet projects of theirs. And Bloyse, who is now the CEO HBO, got upset about a comment from an anonymous user on a Deadline article complaining

about the cancelation of the show run. According to the article, he texted McCaffrey, how dare someone write that double exclamation point and suggested more Lineta.

Speaker 4

Someone randomly commenting on a fucking website, like not a journalist, someone like in the comments say exactly quote fucking why did they like?

Speaker 3

Why can't they bring it back? A? Are you for real?

Speaker 2

Isn't that amazing? That? Yeah?

Speaker 1

And this is just a again like somebody being like I really like the thing that you once made and wish you brought it back. And he said, how dare they write something like this and then went on to say I want to say something along the lines of lol, okay, they're just counting their Emmys or something like that. Later he suggested, maybe we say we must have passed on their development and they are bitter.

Speaker 4

What the fuck that is so fucked that's such an l I'm sorry, Like for everybody here, there's no way you can make compelling television if you cannot even hear any kind of criticism, not even criticism, just yeah, the observations of people who are interacting with your product that you're like, oh, they just bucking haters. Yeah, okay, Yeah, that's a really good energy to have when you're thinking about what kind of the next thing you're going to develop or market?

Speaker 3

Will fuck off? Wow?

Speaker 2

Yeah, come for me, Casey, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4

Use your fucking use your handle though, and you never passed on anything I had, because I could you go kicked me out? O.

Speaker 1

God, the shittiness of the like proposed well, okay, they're just counting their Emmys, like to a random internet commentary, I think they're gonna be like.

Speaker 2

Oh, they do have Emmys.

Speaker 3

Actually yeah, oh that's that's right. I'm not counting Emmy's and they are.

Speaker 1

You're right, they're so it's so funny, like you could just tell which decisions he was involved with, because like these are relatively like minor criticisms like they're not like I wish that show wasn't canceled.

Speaker 4

The thing that the Vulture TV critic wrote, Catherine van Arendoon this is this is what she wrote about Perry Mason that got this guy to fucking blow a fuse is broke, and this is about there's like flashes.

Speaker 3

Of him being in World War One, and this is what she was directly talking about.

Speaker 4

I said, quote, dear Prestige TV, please find some way to communicate male trauma besides showing me a flashback to the hero's memories of trench warfare. That's fair, that seems interesting. I get that that's like an overuged trope that you know, like these like male protagonists like their trauma only comes from combat or whatever, like that's the only dimension of it.

Speaker 3

But then to that, he's like fucking go fucking ham on her.

Speaker 2

Now she's she's over in this town.

Speaker 1

So then we cut to Casey and there's like a flashback and he was in World War One and like that's where he gets his you know. But like clearly he greenlit that scene and it was controversial and like very expensive, you know, right right right, Like this is a detective show and it has a scene of like trench warfare and like that couldn't have been inexpensive.

Speaker 4

And you know, my grandpa was in World War One, really and I think that's why he never talked to me or hugged me.

Speaker 3

So maybe we can do that for Perry.

Speaker 1

Yeah, so clearly, like did he ever go online after a Game of Thrones finale?

Speaker 2

Like that?

Speaker 1

Probably like some of the meanest shit I've ever seen, really about anything.

Speaker 4

Look at this picture of David Zaslov and Casey Bloyse together.

Speaker 2

Love them.

Speaker 4

They just just absolute titans of industry with skin made of asbestos.

Speaker 1

All right, Well, those are some of the things that are trending on this Wednesday, November. First, yep, we are back tomorrow with a whole ass episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourself, yep, get the vaccine, don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 3

Fight bye.

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