MJGMB #72: Steph Curry Underrated Doc with Kenny DeForest

Well, well, it's my turn to say, well, well, well we're.

Back at it again. Baby Miles is out.

So I'm thrilled to be joined by super producer Jabbari and we're talking about the Steph Curry documentary Underrated.

We are talking top five.

Starting lineups and more with comedian long Overdue guest of this podcast, one of the first people we mentioned. We said we're doing a basketball podcast.

We need to Kenny.

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Steph Curry from the tile again, Kenny DeForrest. What's good man, dude.

It's such a p First of all, I am very proud that to be a person that when you started an NBA podcast, I'm one of the first people you think of, So that.

Is that makes me feel real good right here in the heart. Yeah, and we know, you know, because I'm on that showed us. I mean we got to play one on one, Like, you know, I'm not asking to meet me on the court. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just implied by your presence and all the kind of shots that you're putting up in the background while we're having the conversation. Uh, he's got a pretty j folks. Yeah, but I remember, like you, you would come on TDZ, we talk about the news, then we break for a commercial, then we talk about hoops during the part that wasn't being recorded. Then we come back and talk about the news, and so yeah, very early on we were like this, we need to have this man on to talk hoops.

Uh you are a bulls fan.

Uh from a bull situational Bulls fan are always No.

I want to be very very clear. I was there for the Ron Mercer era. You know, I was excited when we traded for John Salins.

Like you know, when we took Tyris Thomas. I was like, let's let.

Let's go Thomas era has begun, let's.

Go athletic upside over skill. Let the Blazers have LaMarcus.

Yeah.

I was just gonna say you didn't want LaMarcus, you were you were all about the Tyres train.

No, I wanted LaMarcus. I was so upset. I was deeply upset.

And you know, I don't know if we want to launchend to this already, but thinking about LaMarcus Aldridge and Derek.

Rowse and his prime just makes me want to cry myself asleep because that's exactly what we needed.

That's what we tried to get with Carlos Boozer, but we could have had it from the beginning.

If you go back through, like pretty much any draft, there's always that, but the ones that sting the most your own squad.

I understand that.

By the way, John Salmon's fantasy basketball stood for like a season and a half, I wanted him at that time on the Lakers. So I mean, I'm happy for you that you've got to experience that.

The Orlando Magic do that to guys. You know, you're like a role player somewhere else.

You go to the Magic, you suddenly average eighteen a game, and all of a sudden, Evan Fornie is getting sixteen million a year and no one knows why because he went to the Magic.

Yeah, that should be a category we talk about on the podcast. Is just like all time great fantasy players whose names. Most people don't know what stats was Salmon's filling up. We're not calling him Salmons.

I think it was actually Salmon's, or at least I was calling him that, so maybe it maybe it was, but he did it was because he did a little bit of everything and he got you steals and you know, you know, rebounds for his position.

We could talk more about your fandom as we go, but really everyone is playing for second place in our hearts.

After watching Underrated the.

Stefan Curry documentary Stephen Curry, Steph Curry, there there was a good moment where school announcer introduces him as stiff Stephen Curry and his mom is like, yeah, bozo, it's Steph Curry. But this, this is a triumph. The autobiographical documentary is always going to pull at your heart strings. It's a very effective weapon. But man, it got me.

How about you guys?

Yeah?

Man, I mean, for one, it always it hurts because I always use being too small and slow as my excuse for not being in the NBA. Yeah, and then you see that, it's like maybe I should have just like shot a thousand jump shots a day and I would have found my way.

Yeah, you know. I mean, it's unreal. He was a child, a child.

So this is the thing that struck me the most from the documentary is I was asking myself did they digitally shrink him for all of the like old footage from college and high school? Like in high school, you usually you'll see an NBA player who's like, you know, a point guard or something, and then you see them back in high school and they still look big compared to everyone else because they're playing in high school. But

But man, he looked small even like his early Warriors days.

Like I was like, did he hit a gross spurt like mid career in the NBA, because I like that. That is my first and biggest question from the documentary is like he's six two, Like six ' two is not a small person like Miles is six two. The first thing I noticed about him, and when I hang out with him again for the first time in a while, it is like, Miles is tall.

Miles is a tall person.

It's like an optical illusion because he's not small anymore. Like he doesn't strike me as small anymore. When I see him play. He just seems like a normal sized NBA guard. And I'm wondering, like, is it because he's grown so much in my estimation and I've seen him like just do so much on the court that I'm like, no, he's not small. He's like one of the best players in the league.

Is it hair? Did he put his hair?

Like?

Is his hair giving him an extra inch? Is it that he like his body filled out? I can't.

I can't really tell what it is or did they usually shrink him.

I mean, there may be a little bit of that, but now, honestly, I think you hit it on the head. It's more of his body filling out. Because it's one thing to be six to, you know, walking amongst giants or you know, like you know, under six to or whatever the case, we be walking tomoch giants, but to the point that you made. His shoulders are like twelve inches apart, you know what I mean, Like not just when you use it in college, that rookie year with

You know what blows my mind about his game. And I was noticing this. I mean I've been noticing it, but like this last playoffs was a couple of times. The way he's become one of the best finishers around the basket is like we know him for he's one of the greatest, probably the greatest shooter I ever played the game. But being that small coming in, it was like, well, there's no way he'll ever finish around the hoop in

As crazy as it is, I had forgotten about his ankle issue, and you know, I'm sure we were going to get.

To it, but when that part came up into DOCUMENTIO was like, oh yeah, on top.

Of being small, on top of being slide of build, he also had ankle and issues his first like three seasons in the league that would sideline him.

And they showed him like twist his ankle and like hobble off the court like six times in a row, which I remember that was what I knew him as when he first came in, Like obviously I remembered his run in the NCAA Tournament, but I was like and then like his ankles just gave out, like what he was like one of those like Brandon roy type people. Was just like, yeah, I don't know, his bodies just

His dad's jerseys and the Rafters.

Jerseys and the Rafters and they were like, no, thank you, sir, we've witnessed your game and like, no, it's not happening. Like that's how much he changed, because it's like all you can do is shoot, and it's like, yeah, that's it's kind of important. Though pretty good skinny, you think about it pretty good.

Well, And it's like the other crazy part when you add in not only was he so small, but he wasn't particularly quick That's the other thing, like the fact that that's a big part of his scouting report too. I kind of understand teams being hesitant because it's like, all right, you can be small, but you better be alan iverson quick. You better be like breaking dudes off. They can't stay with you when you're running off screens.

I feel like.

Decision makers and shock collars be a college or NBA, there's like a tendency to not want to overweight.

Uh, this guy is the son of a guy who's done this.

Yeah, sometimes they overthink it and underweight it because it's like, like.

To use the NFL as an example, you know, TJ.

Watt when he was coming out in the draft, everyone in the Watt family is like he's the best one, and JJ Watt's like an all League defensive player.

He's maybe the best player in the NFL at the time.

Every one of the families like DJ is the guy. And he still goes twenty third in the first round. And I'm sitting there going what is everyone doing? And now, of course he's an all pro pass rusher. It's like, I know you don't want to overthink it, but the DNA matters, and you know you've got the DNA and you've had to coach your whole life. Yeah, a guy who was known for being a great shooter was is your father and your shooting coach.

It's like, come on, take a chance on the kid. I bet he'll figure it out.

And it's one.

It's one thing if like the guy has a reputation for being a jerk or like, you know, difficult to deal with. By all accounts, Steph was awesome. By all accounts, he was like incredibly respectful. He grew up around the league. Look, I'm with you, Kenny in terms of understanding why there may have been some hesitance, But I will always say, Minnesota, you pick two, you pick two point guards in that same draft ahead, I don't care, And I don't mean

Said, yeah, you had two picks and you didn't go with one flyer on the person who ended up changing the league.

Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

We're going to keep talking about this documentary and other stuff, and we're back and just going to the point you make Anny about him having like great shooter as a dad, you get to see him go from shooting like the way going into high school. I think it is his as like he shoots from his waist like he should. He releases from his belly button and you see a shot.

I want.

My dad was like, all right, you got to get your shot like off of your chest and like up above your headline.

And I never made the uh never made that leap, folks.

Both my shots, by the way, were ugly as hell, so it was it was never gonna happen.

But man, he uh.

Just that that was like such a did you guys ever have that where you like had to make that conscious decision to like change your shot to like be a higher release jack.

I was five trying to play, you know, trying to play against real players, So yes.

I absolutely had to do that.

And to your point, his shot looks like the shot of a small guy that had to you know, figure it out.

So it's kind of like a fling.

You'll far be in for me to criticize, but it absolutely is a bit of a fling even.

To Yeah, I had to play down low a lot. And I was only six to two in high school and I grew two inches in college and six four now. But I studied Dirk like I if I was like, if I'm going to be in the post, it's got to be straight away. When I was I had like a different shot in the post and then on the perimeter. But by the end I was right at the eyebrow push. Yeah, but it took it took a lot, man, It took a lot to get there, because yeah, I was I was like a heaver when I was young.

Yeah on the head.

Yeah man.

And also real quick, just to your point about Virginia Tech not wanting him, I was watching that and I honestly think though that's probably the biggest blessing that could have happened to him, is to go to a smaller school to gain his confidence.

Because dude, if you go.

In that small to like that to the ACC, I mean, I don't even know if he makes it to his freshman year, you know, like you kind of its kind of good.

He has a leash to grow.

Like I played with a kid that was an incredible ball player, incredible high school player and went big time d.

One and it was it was too much.

It was like a lot, you know, and then he transferred mid major and had a good career. But I always wonder, like, you always want to go as big as you can, but then sometimes it's not a bad thing to go smaller.

You have a little more leash. You have a little more room to grow. The competition's not pushing you around as much. You can gain your confidence, you.

Know, piggybacking on that and jack to your point. Imagine he has thirteen turnovers in his first game in the ACC. Now I'm not saying it would have been to him, but he might not have you know, it might not have looked quite You might not have put thirty two up in that very next game.

Yeah, it helps, It helps your case, and it helps your coach have confidence in you when the next option isn't it is not like near the same level as you. You know, I don't know, just stray thoughts. First of all, I think we can now retire the this trope from documentaries. You're shooting an empty chair, the person walks up, you see them from behind, sit down for an interview, take the take the iPad from you, and they say, all right, you want to start that. That's how this opens. It's

Very effective documentary. But that that was the.

One moment where I was like, oh no, are we what are we doing here.

You thought they were running like a Windy's commercial before the duck Reggie Popu.

Yeah, I just I could have used more Reggie commentary. It was funny how the twenty nineteen like it was right around twenty nineteen where all of a sudden, the takes start getting so much spicier, Like prior to that, you have to like rely on interviews with his parents to be like everybody called him a twerp and like we're pushing him around, and then like twenty nineteen, all of a sudden, the takes come in and they're like,

Yeah, without a doubt, I'm sure you could find footage you could put together like no, no one said Lebron James could make it. You could definitely, you could definitely find plenty of footage of like Steven a smith being, Like I don't think he's he's he ain't a leader.

Yeah, do you guys remember that one Kobe commercial. Uh, it was probably like four or five. Specifically, it was like it was like him reading or it was a voice reading off like headlines that involved him, like basically detractors and doubters and things of that nature. That's the vibe that I got when I was watching this documentary because I always, foolishly initially used to think, like you're the great, You're like one of the greats to ever

So I don't know, to me, it was it was kind of inspirational.

It was one of those like he's like one of us, Like as I you know, it normalized him as opposed to, you know, being annoying.

I guess I could say, yeah.

The watching his workouts, like you really do get to get a feeling that you're like getting to watch watch him build his game like brick by brick and watching his workouts. I mean that that's something that people like show up hours early for the game to watch. But like that was something I could have used more workout footage, like just like watching him like do that thing where he like bounces off one foot and does like a step back that covers five feet and then like nails of.

Three Like that was so fun. I could watch that for hours.

Like that I could have used more just him casually making like three quarter court shots, just because that's a unique superpower that he has.

Did you notice at one point they he was just casually shooting a half court left handed three pointers, like just just to do it and sinking them. But during that workout, at one point in the footage, he's just like, Okay.

Let me just shoot a couple lefties. Just ridiculous.

Yeah, I think part of the trick of the movie is covering up the fact that this this man has an actual superpower and has since he was a child, Like, Yeah, being able to make threes with your left is no joke.

Have you seen his golf swing?

Like it's just the most perfect, Like it's better looking than any golf swing that you've seen on the PGA Tour.

It's so beautiful.

Well, I mean, that's that's just until Chuck.

What's really crazy too? And I was talking to this, I was talking to my boy about this. And to be clear before I say this, I'm not a Lebron hater. You know there's a lot of Lebron haters out there. I am not a Lebron hatre. But you could argue that Steph changed the game in a way that Lebron did not. Leron is amazing, But it's not like he's the first tall point guard, you know, like we've seen magic before.

He's an elite athlete to the level that we've never seen.

But when Lebron started playing, I wasn't like, oh, I've never seen this, Like he reminded me of Scottie Pippen, you know what I mean. It was like, okay, big point forward athlete, two way player, elite defender.

But I've seen that, not on Lebron's level, but I've seen it.

Steph like he there's a reason NBA has played the way it is now, and it was because the Warriors.

Showed teams what spacing can do.

And that's when now everybody has to shoot threes, everybody has to clear out. To me, that's traced back to step and like, oh, we have to guard this guy as soon as across his half court and then the space that creates everybody else. And yeah, it's insane that he started off as this, Like could he even make a team?

Right?

Yeah, exactly, it's yeah.

He I feel like he changed the game more than anyone since like Luel Center, like whoever, Like like everything changed, and then you know Kream comes in, everybody is like being center oriented and then for.

All like decades, that's the that's the plan.

You got to do that, and like he's completely reoriented everything. I will say, as as a Lebron lover, when he went against Detroit early on, I forget what year was in his career. I think it was like second or third year and then like was just getting to the rim on the best defensive team in the league every

And that's all I mean, Like, yeah, totally, I'm tired of the Lebron hat takes.

The guy has earned our respect. If you're a.

Hoophead, yeah, you can critique him all you want. That's what it comes with the territory being an all time great. But enough the guy. The guy's unbelievable. But again, I just and you already said it, I just think Steff changed the way the game is played.

It's remarkable, it really.

Is, if you think about it.

I mean, we can look at Lebron and you know, as much as we want, we can't duplicate that.

The belief that comes with you know, like if you're a.

Kid watching the game, you might you'll think Lebron is incredit you might think these, you know, the big guys are incredible, But all of a sudden, you see this little guy, whether he's six two or not six two and three quarters or whatever the case may be, you see this little guy out there just flinging it up and you'll, you know, dipping in and somehow you'll you'll

So I totally understand that.

And also the idea that you can add to your game, like just.

Because you come into the league because of your one skill, which is shooting. I mean, I remember early in his career they were like, Steph's not a point guard, he's a shooting guard. And you watch him now franking Ankles, no look passes. I mean, he's not going to lead the league in assist but he doesn't have to. Yeah, but he's a legitimate point guard. He's a legitimate three level score and he came into the league as a three point specialist.

That's it. You know, you can add to your game.

Yeah, it also makes you wonder like some of these guys that come up with more talent, It's like, is it a work ethic thing? Because you have access to the same shooting coaches like to me working on your jumper. Like guys that come to the NBA and never get better at shooting, I'm like, what have you been doing? Or like your free throw percentage doesn't increase at all throughout your career.

I'm like, how is that even possible?

Yeah, yeah, at the end of practice you just you know, shoot a hundred free throws or whatever. It's like it's inconceivable, honestly, But I.

Think there is a piece of staff that is missing from this that is like, you know, Katie, there's a good scene where Kadie comes to as the celebration party they throw after like he breaks the all time you know. It opens with him breaking the all time three point shooting record, you know, halfway through his career, and then there's a party afterwards. Katie shows up and he's like, I thought you were this little white kid when I met you, like ten years ago.

I walked into a gym and.

There's this little wite kid, Like, but he's making threes from half court at that point, So like, I really think that there is a like it's not it's like having touch from sixty feet is like a weird thing that we're just like, man, he must have practiced that a lot.

But it does feel like that is something that we don't.

Necessarily think about as like a inherent ability, but it is like something that he has and has had, like from early on.

He's got to have like he's got to have like the most elite depth perception, true and coordination. That's and that's that people don't talk about that, and I coordination is a big one. You can be an elite, ask ye have that.

Yeah, Well that one workout that they showed, you know, right before the shooting, where he's doing like the two tennis balls, he's catching it, he's crossing over catching the tennis ball, throwing it with the other hand, all of that type of stuff where while I get it, like there are people that can do that, he's doing it.

He's doing it with such ease. It it makes sense that he can do these things.

And those are the those are the skills that I think, you know, your average fan doesn't notice. Right, It's the same thing with Lebron. It's like you look at Lebron, you see this elite athlete. You know, the quickness, the jump thing, the strength, but it's the mental process. Like everyone who's ever played with Lebron, it's like the guy just sees the game differently. I think Steph is Steph is. It's it's one thing to be able to stretch the floor like that, it's another to be able to say, Okay,

Yeah, it's it's cool. Uh Like basically no notes for this documentary, though, I think people should go check it out. Actually if you're a Steph skeptic or.

Even another example, if you'll indulge me with another example, it's like when Shaq added passing. It's like once Shack became aware every time I touched the ball, three guys are going to come running at me, and Shaq started being able to hit those no look passes that you know. Our vetus was like that, like it's just like a different obviously now, but it's like being aware of your impact on the defense and then what to do about that,

Yeah.

Hey, speaking of things that people should go watch. On August seventeenth, there's there's this special coming out on YouTube called Don't You Know Who I Am? And this isn't me letting you go. This is me making up for the fact that I forgot to mention this up top. You have a special coming out and you talk Coop Center. Is this correct, Kenny?

I do, yes, Yes. So I grew up playing I played AAU as a kid. I played, I started on my varsity team in high school, and then I played two years in college as a walk on.

That's how you become a comedian, which I say is special.

But I opened the special, I tell a story about the time I had to guard Tyler Hansbrow one on one in a high school active and uh, and it went about as well as you would think. And uh, and I kind of trace back me starting comedy to that moment, yeah, and realizing that I an't like those guys and uh, and so you and I. There's like two actual basketball stories out of the book. D of the special in the middle is kind of me talking about the uh, post athletic drop off that a lot

And I started talking. I started telling these jokes, and I really felt like I was striking.

A nerve because a number of people that were coming up to me after the show being like, Dude, my cousin, my brother, and my sister that you know that, yeah, no one.

I can't believe no one's talked about that.

Yeah, you know, and I've lost a couple buddies and to drugs, and when you talk to people afterwards, it's like, yeah, I just don't think he ever moved on.

You never found that next thing. So the special is kind of about.

Like putting it to bed and finding your next love and finding a place to put that energy is basically what it is.

So that sounds cool, man, that sounds awesome. Everybody should go check it out.

Yeah, I mean I needed to check it out because I mean, I, okay, I'll be honest. After my high school career, I was just in a better mood because I was like getting dunked on by Dan ged Zurich less, So I don't identify at all. That was That was my psychot encounter was I was like, all right, I'm going to body up Dan good Zurich and I got bodied.

In fair and see you guys, Dan Gadsey reach if I'm not mistaken as a legit seven footer and Tyler six eight year old, that's exactly that.

But those were those are some pretty rough, rough matchups. Yeah.

No, I said this in the story and it's true. So the point where I wonder if my coach got paid off because Roy Williams was there watching the dad and I swear to god, my coach said he made me guard him one on one and he was like, no help, they have shooters on the perimeter. And I was like, so I literally got put on an island in front of Roy Williams and I was like, wow, just serving me up, like a yeah.

All right, I guess I'm not playing for you NC.

Thank you, Yeah, thanks coach.

So yeah, man, Dan Gadzurich, that's a good one, man, those are my favorite stories. I love when I find out people who like, who's the best guy to dunked on you? Because there's always one, There's always one really bad one.

Yeah. I just kept getting getting up.

I was I was thinking of the movie Rocky instead of like Hoop Dreams. I was just like, you know what, at the end of this, I'm gonna be stronger, and instead my teammates just couldn't make eye contact with me for the rest of the season.

If it makes you, guys feel better, you guys got dunked on by NBA players. I've been dunked on by you know, guys have been overseas and you know I've been by everyone. Man.

It feels just the same clear, I've been dunked on by just the nicest dude at the Why yeah.

Yeah, been dunked on by I was like, oh my god, I've never dunked before.

That was wild.

At the end of White k he finally catches it. It's you.

That's right.

All right, We're gonna take a quick break, and Kenny, when we come back, we are going to enter the danger zone, the fastest segment in podcasting.

Hold on to your butts.

Hold on to your hats if you're wearing them, because they're gonna be spinning around, both your butt and your hat.

We'll be right back.

And we are back and all Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.

I don't think he's ready.

You've really stepped in at this time. Friend. This is the rapid fire segment.

This is where Jabari and I are just fireing questions at you, like so many tennis balls and basketballs and Stepf's workout drill and you've just got to juggle them. And the other thing we're gonna be doing is like being really bad at keeping this moving. And that is not a design flaw. That is because I'm bad at keeping things moving as a podcaster. So you're just gonna have to keep us on track and the segment starts right now.

Brian, could you start the clock please?

Wait wait wait wait, I don't don't. I don't think he's gonna hear you. I don't think he's gonna hear what you say? It like that.

Yeah, he is all the way across the room, you know, want to you, Brian? Wow? All right, all right, Kenny.

We're asking each guest which young player will have a breakout season in twenty twenty three twenty four, as we saw with Steph. You know, sometimes that means this is suddenly their team's year. Some of the guys that have been tossed around time Maxie, I've been noticing a lot of people dropping the wreaths just time, Maxie. Maybe that's gonna turn things around for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Kate Cunningham, al Shan Goon, Austin Reeves.

Is it too early to say? Webbing Yama? Probably Scoot? Who Who do we think?

Who do you think is gonna have a season where all of a sudden this is the only person anybody can talk about.

I'm gonna go with Jalen Green. I like what the Rockets did a lot of wow. But I think I think giving him Fred Van Vliet to take a lot of the pressure because his issue has.

Been efficiency in turnovers.

But otherwise he's already scoring in the twenties and I think Van Vliet helps him. I know Dylan Brooks is a knucklehead, but he's also a second team All NBA player yep. And you know, people kind of right off Dylan Brooks, I get it. But you know another great defender that was a total knucklehead and then found new life with a new team, Metal world Piece maybe ye. So sometimes the change of scenery helps guys like that.

I also like Kevin Porter Junior off the bench.

So now the Rockets suddenly like you kind of got better positions with Van Vleet because you slide him to sixth man, where I think you just let him cook off the bench, and the Rockets are so bad. People don't realize Kevin Porter Junior average twenty five and five last year. I know that because of Fantasy basketball, Like that's the player. Then you got you got Tarry Easton

I think Jayalen Green is going to be a big reason why.

It's funny.

Uh.

Jabari and I were at Summer League and I remember he turned to me and he said, is Jabari Smith junior even out there?

This guy stinks?

And then he put thirty points hung thirty on Jabari's head. And that is not a story that I just changed from being about me to being about Jabari.

That that Actually here's the other thing too.

You know.

I said that I said this guy that you.

Crime.

It was melmost like you've done this.

That's where I was going with it.

I was not slandering, but no, I was right there with Jack saying like, and then all of a sudden he hit four threes in a row and said, shut up to both of us.

Yeah, from way up top.

We were screaming it from the rafters.

But I don't know if you heard this instruction at the top.

You're supposed to keep us going, so like, if we start to deviate or we start to talk about some other stuff, you have to snap us back in the line.

And if okay, well excuse me. So Also Jack.

Mentioned earlier that we're going to be firing you know, you know, questions at you. I'm more of the pea shooter from Harlem Knights. I'm that third guy with just a little pop pop, so here you go.

And I'm more of a pew pew pew there it is. Yeah, what so.

Would you make if you If if you were all.

Right, I was going to be his answer, I wouldn't have even asked the damn question.

And okay, all.

Right, Well, if you can have any player skill set for a date, who's and what skill set would it be?

I would want to know what it's like to dunk like Zach Levine.

Oh, I want to know what that feels like, I mean, I used to be able to dunk a little bit, and that even that I still dream about it. I still dream that I'm flying through the air, which I wasn't even flying through the air, because you know what it is to float like that.

Come on, let me, let me, let me have it one time.

Who are you dunking on? Nobody ever asked this, That's what I want to know. Who you're dunking on?

And I'm dunking on I'm dunking on Rudy Gobert and saying that's for COVID.

Wow, that's what I'm saying, So jack on my shoulders.

That would be fun to dunk on people on people's shoulders and just have them explode apart, like powerful dunk.

I'm dunking on you, Miles and Jabbari in a trench coat.

There it is, there it is.

I definitely have a new answer to this question now that I've watched Underrated, because I feel like like there are parts in that documentary where they cut together so many like mistakes and like turnovers and missshots that you like, forget what you've watched up to that point. You're like, does this guy stink? Is just Steph Curry. Did I make up the past five years where he's like one of the best players in the league.

I think he's holding back on us.

Like I think if I was Steph Curry for a day, I would just try some things out, like throw a football into like I feel like he would be the king of dude perfect shots, timely ref that all the kids are.

Still talking about.

But I feel like he could threat like thread an actual needle with thread from like a football field away. Like he's just not revealing that he has a literal superpower because he doesn't want us to know. Anyways, you're supposed to keep me on.

Trash more quiet, all right, come on, hit me.

You can take two players from all of history to create your Mad Boosti's edition NBA Jam team, which should be coming. I mean the league has heard this segment. I gotta think that's coming pretty soon. But which two players are you taking?

Steph Curry and Shaquille O Neil.

It's the correct the correct answer. Yes, I've said this before. It's that that's the right answer. I'm sorry, folks, that's the answer.

That's fair. That's fair. Let's keep this going a little bit.

Yeah, let's go, come on, come on, Ultimate.

Peak, Prime t MAC or prime Paul George.

Wow, I'm gonna say t MAC because I don't feel like people are as disappointed at him as there Paul George. There's a lot of questions with Paul George. There's a lot of like does he have it? I never heard anyone suggest that t MAC disappears in the playoffs. I'll say that I never heard that brought up and so.

Managing.

Yeah, the second round said it about t MAC. But that's not the right there.

That's a good point. Maybe we just didn't expect it from t MAC. Maybe the expectations were lower.

But yeah, I think it's that thing with like twenty nineteen and that's when the spicy takes come in the documentary. It's like, all of a sudden you have people being like Steph Curry is bad at basketball. I think like it's harder to be a player, or maybe easier because you get so much more motivational material.

But you know what, I will say this hold on. I had to think about it first second. That was a rapid fire. Paul George is also in his peak, he was like a true two way player, and I don't remember t mac ever being known for his defense.

So Paul George final.

Answer there it is.

I think it's the right answer.

We recently, speaking of Steph, we recently got his all time top five. It was Magic Johnson at point guard, Michael Jordan at shooting guard, Larry Bird at small forward. But then he revised that because he has been on the internet to Kobe Bryant at small forward, Tim Duncan and power forward, and a Shaquille O'Neal at center. Uh, are you making any revisions to that starting five?

Someone's got to be able to shoot a three? I mean, what are we just going to clog the lane? Come on, give me, give me Larry. We were We're like, yeah, I know we respect for Kobe, but you got to have somebody stretching the floor, bro.

Come on, yeah, especially in today's game.

Yeah, Michael and Kobe are redundant.

You just put the same You put Michael Jordan and then a Michael Jordan cover band on the same floor.

Maybe you haven't been on the internet. Mentioned he listened.

He was unbelievable at it, and I don't blame him.

Of course, you want to be like I wanted to do but you know I need someone to shoot a three jack.

Do you have a fun I would put Steph out there?

Yep.

I think I put Steph out.

There, uh at two, put m J at three, or you know, put Steph at one, put MJ at two. Uh and yeah, maybe Steph Steph at one, m J two, Lebron at three.

The Lebron Lebron needs to be out there.

Man. Yeah, just respect to magic. But there's your point forward.

Yeah, you know that's gonna help.

We're good play making. Yeah, we're solid.

And I might go dream at center.

I like it. Yeah, yeah, man.

And just which Tim Duncan just came up. I'm so excited that Wendy went to San Antonio and Tim Duncan is on the staff. Is just going to teach Wendy to be seven to Tim Duncan.

And you can already shoot. It's preposterous. What's about to happen.

It's gonna be so fun.

Last question, sure is the most important one? Himmy Jack? Where JABORI?

Oh, okay, so I know a little bit. All right, what you played Jabar? You're five to ten. You're a point guard.

I was a five teen point power forward.

Okay, So you're like a five ten Draymond, You're gonna give you think basically check what are you bringing at the table?

I was like a six to one Draymond couldn't shoot worth Ship, but would defend and let Dan Gedzerig dunk on me until he was exhausted. I was like ropidoping him. I was like, surely he's gonna get tired of dunking on me. That's not in no way an energizing thing.

Right, Yeah, maybe if I go fetal position, he'll feel bad for me.

Have I sold myself?

Uh? Yeah? The jumper smooth, My jumpers nice.

That's one thing I can tell you. That's one thing I can think.

I'm taking.

What are you talking about shooting on this team?

Bro?

You don't want my wreaky ass jumper and but but I play defense and I always make the right pass.

Even if you can't shoot. I want guys on my team that say they can shoot. I want delusional confidence, Yeah, I want I want I want you coming in going for ten and being like, yo, pass me to ball, I'm hit me.

I'm trying to go over over nineteen.

Yeah, I got get searched for.

I want them right there.

My free throw like routine before what I would shrug my shoulders and be like, I'm not getting even make it. Anyways, I did that before every free throw that was That was just.

I actually believe that you did that. That's funny.

What's the fucking point? Oh sorry?

Yeah, anyways, Kenny DeForrest Uh truly a pleasure. We've been excited to have you on Boosties for a long time and you did not disappoint sir. We'll have to have you back on again soon. Where can people see you? Uh, find you, follow you all that good stuff.

So I'm on I'm on Instagram. I prefer Instagram.

I just feel like if you're trying to follow an artist, it's kind of the most like you're actually going to see me promoting my shows. I do have a TikTok I pust a lot of videos there. The special comes out the seventeenth of August, and I'm going to do a lot stream on YouTube, like a live release on YouTube where you can watch it with me and comment, ask questions, and I'll be on I'll be answering those.

I might be back on Twitter one day, we'll see.

But for now, I'm just trying to focus my efforts on those couple so that I can still have some energy to like write jokes and stuff just on the on my phone all day.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I don't know what your problem is with Twitter. We love it here at mad Boosti's.

Just killing it, literally destroying, literally destroying it. All right.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien and on threads where I am. I'm not very active on Twitter. I'm even less active on threads, but I am there at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore, Bryan Jabari, where can people find you?

You could find me, of course on the Twitter Jabori Davis NBA.

You can find Miles of course at at Miles of Gray.

Yeah, not sure about his grades.

Yeah, he's there in both places here. We are all right. That is going to do it for this episode of Mad Boosties.

We are back next week to talk more NBA, and we will talk to all then bye, goodbye,