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We got a brown person. It's all the same, right, But I don't know, are you six too sure? Yeah, Miles. Miles is tall, and I'm always just surprised. Every time I see him again for the first time in like a couple of weeks, I'm like, man, you are you are a short man energy. He feels like a short person. He should be. That's not true. It's because he's approachable. He's like secure with himself, you know, so he I

don't know he has you know, I don't know. He just has the energy of somebody who is not defined by their height. And then when you see him, it takes a moment to be like, oh, you are taller than most people. Yeah, anyways, Dave, I'm not allowing you to cast dispersions on my comment about Miles being a tall, a tall gentleman. Dave's here to start drama. I'm tall too, I think. No, I don't believe that at all. I'm seven to the same height as Karen Abdul Jabar. No,

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hit the back of the room with extreme prejudice. It was hard for me to shake that that directive from from elementary school, where it's like user inside six inch voices, not six ft voices. But when you become a professional podcaster, you've got to use that six ft voice. Okay, you gotta get out there. That's six ft two voice, just like Miles Gray six two. Yeah, that's yeah, exactly. The extreme prejudice reaching the back of the podcast room is

just all the slurs of podcasters normally. That's right. That's how some podcasters hit that back of the room with extreme prejudice. It's a hard our syndrome. That's where they keep the minorities in the back of the room. So all right, well, Dave, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Paul, we might even get to know you a little bit better at a moment. First, for you to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about. We're recording

this on Friday. I don't believe they have released the video of the police murder in Memphis. But we do have a story about who those police officers where they were part of a special task force that was aimed at stopping street violence crazily enough. So we're gonna talk about these sorts of task forces, on how they get covered, how they come about, and why they aren't ever held to account and hopefully will be. Now I don't know,

we'll talk about Trump's return to Meta. They're they're welcoming Trump's back on Meta and all his campaign money because apparently he was like the biggest spender of all time on Meta in terms of political ads. Before we get to any of that, Dave, we do like to ask our guest, and you may know this, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

I recently googled Martini glasses, specifically Nick and No glasses because I broke one in the sink and I'm a big Martini drinker, and I found a set of four from the Museum of Modern Art in New York's website. I don't know why the moment is selling Martini glasses. They have like a whole like home goods store connected to that. I kind of like some of the stuff, and then I feel bad for liking it. It's kind of fucked up that they're horning in on Ikea and

Targets the whole thing. Like, I don't think Target's gonna start showing Mark Chagall paintings, you know what I'm saying. I don't think they're gonna start getting sculptures from Damien Hurst at Ikea. This is not appropriate. Let's still dare you. The art at Ikea is incredible and magnificent, and I could stare at it for hours getting lost there. Yeah, yeah,

I understand what you're saying. I get that, but I'm talking about fine art, not just you know, like a tableau of a bowl of fruit or something or magic Do they have magic guy paintings at Ikea? What is the art at Ikea? That? That actually is a really good questioner. And it's like I feel like them and like the people who put art in hotels have to

link up, you know what I mean. Like I feel like they're on the same way, like a black and white photo of a guitar trying everywhere I'm there's like live, laugh love stuff too, you know for sure? Right, Although that does feel like a little bit outside of IKEA's wheelhouse the Live Left Love. That's more of a target

Walmart something in that font, you know what I mean. Yes, Yeah, I'm trying to say, like would it be okay, I'm looking there's a Sander Patelski photograph of a pool, so like they have like I'm sure they have like somebody who has good tastes like buying art for them at Ikea. Yeah, we're just doing on this person. You know. Basically the MoMA is Ikea without the meat balls. This is what

I'm here to say. The art at Ikea is just as good as the art at the moment, as long as you're not a materialist who cares that the it's not they're not originals. I am always at the moment screaming where are the meat balls? That? Yeah, one could say that that Lincoln Berry sauce is artistic. It is an expression of humanity's greatest achievement. In my Yeah, I do sometimes wonder that, like when I talked about the Cheesecake Factory menu being like the thing that will be

remembered from American, like America's contribution to like civilization. They'll just be like marveling at our ability to put that much food together and like put it, put it out, and you know, just get it all together. I don't think it's about the menu itself. I think it's about attempting to read the menu in a poorly lit room. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's the experience. It's performance art. It engages the audience.

It's funny that you say that policy because the people that eat a cheesecake factory tend to have very bad eyesight because they're they're elderly nature. I don't know if only old people go to cheesecake factory, but I think it's predominantly people who maybe should have some lights on. Maybe we should crank that that dimmer a little bit so that we can see what we're shoveling in our mouthrank that dimmer wing Aham, Florida. You'll occasionally see people

with little flashlights on their key chains. Like the elderly like have little gadgets that I'm not aware of, but we do it with our phones, right, yeah, but they've got little like squeezy flashlights. I want to show up to the cheesecake factory and a full on fucking like helmet with a flashlight on it, like I'm going yeah, like I'm a minor. Yeah, like I'm gonna go rescue some tide children and also lots of realistics. But I

do wonder like, will Ikea be remembered. Will that be a thing that people look back on because it is like the predominant thing from our It will be the like when when they're digging around in the rubble of the US, mostly what they're going to be finding is

probably i Kea furniture, right, Yeah, I think they. I think that there's, uh, there's a real serious point to be made here, guys that the abundance that we all enjoy today, all the furniture, all of the food, all of the things that we have that we take for granted are going to be uh not possible in the next one years. So people look back on the the just pure greed and avarice of our society and be like, how did they? How did they do this? People lived like this? They got to they got to get an

appetizer and the main and then dessert. Unbelievable. They're gonna be shocked. So yeah, I think that Ikea and cheesecake factory and Sizzler and hometown buffet and Costco. We're all going to be considered like these quirky relics of a different time. I don't know if it's sad or not, but it's kind of way we view like Great Gatsby, like the way people are like we're having a Gatsby party that like have yeah with like three meatballs to be like great grandchildren. Right. Um. I learned this week

that Ikea is a nonprofit. Did you guys know that? What? No, that feels like that feels like a tax dodge exactly. I feel like it is and it's but it's technically a nonprofit. Yeah, kids, technically a religion like scientology. They don't have to pay taxes. I heard Warren Buffett is donating his entire fortune to Ikea. He's such a good guy. That's so cool. He's my favorite, Like he's my favorite spiritual leader. What is something, Dave? The thing is overrated?

Oh boy, okay, this is definitely not No, those meatballs are slamming. As we established, I'm gonna stick to movies because this is Oscar season. There's a lot of controversy out there about what movies were nominated, what movies weren't nominated. So something that is under or overrated is what we're starting with, right, Okay, an overrated movie that I saw this year. I am gonna go with Black Panther Wakonda forever. I know I'm gonna have to turn into all of

my my black cards and whatnot. For saying this, but I found that movie very boring. It was long, and I didn't really connect to any of the characters. That really missed Chadwick Boseman. Uh And so I feel like, yeah, I think we all did it. I don't know if I'm spoiling anything, but at the end, he's got a kid, right, He's he's had he had sex once, Black Panther had sex ones and he's got a little kid at the end, who's gonna, I guess girl up to be Chadwick Boseman

recreated with artificial intelligence or something. You know, they're gonna at some point we're going to get that. And I got kind of weepy with that. But like, for the most part, I was so bored with the little guy with his little lizz little wings on his feet and all the water. At the same time, I love to Avatar, So there's something wrong with me here. Okay, But have you considered that he's incredibly hot, the guy with the wings the water. I did consider it. I took it.

I took a beat. I said, Okay, let's see doy like this movie. I'm not sure that guy is really hot. Still don't like it. Maybe if you've been in a better movie. But I agree, he's a he's a handsome, sexy guy. I'm fine with. Okay, here's here's my The only thing that I thought was like a little bit strange. I feel like it was a little bit predictable in who the Black Panther was going to be, and I felt like they had that whole m. I t girl that character wasn't like fully developed in It felt like

kind of an on. But I'm such a superhero head. I was like, fuck it, let's go. You know what I mean, Like, I just go into those movies empty head, I don't care, and I have fun, young, dumb and full of calm. Let's go go. I don't know if everybody is comfortable with me me sharing this spoiler too, But if you haven't seen the movie and you don't want to know who Black pant the New Black Panther is, you maybe skip this Okay, so here we go five four,

three to one. Okay, So the thing about Panther is that it's really weird that Rachel doulas All ended up being the Black Panther. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was a perfect choice, you know what I mean to the work of Chadwick Boseman, who better than Rachel dolas All what one of the most important black people of my generation. Certainly, I do hope that somebody did skip forward and that joke's only for those of us who just don't give a fuck. We is the new Black

Panther does have an only fans? Yes, is that real? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, she's going yea. Also, little wingis on the feet that you like fly by sort of ice skating around through the sky on is a fun little thing that I don't know that it's just like Superman that they have Superman flying just through like sheer tyranny of will and alien superpowers and like, you know, that was

I feel like that's usually how we see it. So a fun new little way for somebody to fly around then allows you to say, little Wiggis on the feet is is a win I think for for the superhero genre. I did not see the movie. I saw that Doctor Strange movie by the by the director who I really like, whose name Sam Raimi, Sam Ramy. Yeah, I've liked a lot of his movies. I saw that Doctor Strange movie, and I was like, this is the last? Is the last Marvel movie I ever have to see? I think

this is I'm I think I'm out. I will say the new Black Panther was better than Doctors. Yeah. Yeah. Black Panther had Rachel dolaj All and Doctor Strange didn't. That's the difference. That's the big was If Rachel Dolasall isn't anything, I feel like that should be named Doctor Strange. You know what I mean? Right over here with that, Hey, hey, what is something you think is underrated? Dave? Okay, this is this is going to be more controversial than saying

I didn't like Black Panther that much. I saw The Whale yesterday. Our good friend Brendan Fraser. It's two hours of him going friend of the show. People are amazing over and over again, which is now, I just do it to annoy my girlfriend. I'm like, hey, Dorothy, people are amazing, are amazing. Oh, it's amazing. People have slagged this movie off a lot, and I've read a lot of reviews that have been very um negative towards the film.

Understandably so, I think the way that it handles obesity, I don't even know if we should be using the word obesity. I feel like some people feel that's a trigger or a slur, but people, bigger people. The way it handles it is not great. There are there are there are scenes where he's like bathing or trying to do various things, takes the shirt off, and this music plays where it's like the creature from the Black Lagoon

just popped out of a bathtub or something. It's really kind of like horror movie adjacent, and it's also like, um, it's deeply, deeply not subtle. This is one of the most obvious movies of all time, but I was also

moved by it. I don't want to get too deep into talking about the Whale on this podcast, but I did relate to some of the themes of the movie, specifically about being apparent about divorce, about guilt in how you're raising your kid, and feeling like you failed yourself or you failed them, feeling shame, like these are all emotions we all kind of go through and I connected

to the movie. And I think one of the sad things about the way we talk about films or art in general, how we talk about creativity is often literal. This is a deeply literal movie, but it also has things to offer if you engage with it in any kind of way. But I think people look at any any film they go to, especially movies that are prestige films, and they say, if it doesn't conform to exactly what I think and it doesn't make me feel good every single second, I'm going to set it on fire and

I hate it. And I would rather engage with this kind of stuff honestly and with empathy towards the filmmakers. Granted, these filmmakers are often white men who are very wealthy and don't need my empathy. But if I'm not an empathetic person going to a movie, if I'm not thinking about what the filmmakers trying to say or hope to say, then why am I bothering with it? I might as

well just go see Black Panther again. You know, I want, I want movies to move me in in in a real way, And I think there are things to like about The Whale, even though it can be very stupid and very offensive to certain people. The fact that it's about large person and called the whale is not not starring someone who is that that suit. I don't know if you know this, but it's a metaphor. He's not really a whale, He's not really Hold up, dude, I thought Free Willy was going to be in this. Yeah,

it does turn out people are amazing. So yeah, now that's gonna be stuck in my head. I'm gonna make that my alarm. Uh. I will say that I was thinking about this with the discussion of everything everywhere all at once. I love that movie. I thought it was amazed saying that, I do think like there was like a lot of criticism from like white people who couldn't relate, and part of what I was thinking about it today was like, I mean, obviously there are aspects of movies

that you like in aspects you don't like. And I don't know why exactly what you said we have to have everything be perfect because people aren't perfect. It aren't isn't perfect, but there can be like things that make you feel something different and also like it. Not everything has to be for you, Like, if something is harmful, I understand criticizing it and the whale in those ways are is very harmful. But if something isn't harmful and it's you just thought it was like corny or cringe

or whatever. People were tweeting about everything everywhere on all it was like, just leave it. Let people be cringe. That's not harmful, you know what I mean. It's people people are critic because I think it's because it got lauded so wet much. It's finally being accepted, like Michelle Yell being the first. Yeah, so there's a backlash, and it tends to be like a racist backlash, you know, like it's from white people. They're like, I can't relate.

It doesn't look like me. Um, so I think or and then they kind of try to come up with other reasons other than raise. But yeah, so I think there's that now. So there's like discourse about it, and I'm like whatever, I enjoyed it and I had fun and I moved on, you know, at the at the end of the day, I think it's true that people aren't amazing. Some people aren't amazing. I think, yeah, there there is so much art being created and so much to consume that I think people are looking for an

excuse to hate something or not like something. And then you pair that dynamic of like from the consumer end with the like critical or just like word of mouth critical element of every time you say you like something, it's a risk. Like it's it's very easy to just be like one of end people to be like, yeah, I don't I don't really like that because blah blah blah. You know, so like staking your claim to something I actually don't agree with that. I don't think it is

like a risk. I'm not more likely to judge someone harshly for a recommendation than I am for them saying that they hated something that I loved. But I do feel like people are just like guarded and they're like I don't want to let I don't want to. I don't want to be vulnerable and say I liked this thing. You know. I also think like that is very true in terms of like social currency. But I also think like a lot of takes are actually like physically financially monetized,

you know what I mean. So if you're making controversial statements or if you you know, just like something like you can legit or in money off of that through social media, you know, so it's easy to like people want to have a take and jump in on the discourse and make money off of it, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'd be way more successful if I said absolutely ridiculous

things all the time. And uh, when I wake up in the morning, I have a choice to make every day, which is do I want to be a complete soulless shill for horrible things or do I want to just be a normal guy. And I choose normal guy most of the time. I'm this close to choosing shill. Okay, that's what capitalism does to you. It It nails you against the wall, makes you see it seemed like the adult, responsible thing to do. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Okay I am. I am a queer brown woman,

all right. I could sell out so easily to the right, you know, I would be so good. There would be shock waves Canada. Owens is so powerful in conservative media because she she stands out and she can be that person that someone drags in and says, look, see she doesn't mind police violence against unarmed citizens. And she's black. Yeah, it's just like black police officers. They cover up all the things that nobody wants you to see. That's right, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be

right back. And we're back, and as we're recording this, we still haven't see I don't think they've released the video of the five police officers beating Tyree Nichols to death, but just generally, like I don't know, it feels like we're at a moment that everyone is girding themselves for that and we're getting some reporting on the context. By the time you hear this, the video has probably been released.

But one of the articles I just wanted to highlight is about the unit that they were a part of, and we see that we see this a lot like we saw it with the Gun Traced Task Force in Baltimore. These cops were a part of a unit of forty officers who were designed to stop violence. And the acronym they gave themselves as a unit for such a benign peacekeeping mission was Scorpion Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace

in Our Neighborhoods Unit. Because what sends a message that you are looking to gain the trust of the community better than like the antagonist from that Esop's fable, the about of you know someone who yeah, it's a Mortal Kombat character. It's the thing that like the person in the substa will trust for one second and they're like, what what the fund did you expect? And I don't know it. Just we've gotten a lot of really hard to refute evidence that maybe the police are a bad

idea over the past year. We're going to keep getting it. And just the way that the mainstream media metabolizes this evidence is the problem, like it or it's a huge part of the problem, Like they don't stop and look

at it often enough. The cops in the subway shooting, like running away from danger and telling people close by to call nine one one was just echoed by a video where someone fell onto the subway tracks and a bunch of citizens jumped down to lift them up to safety while a cop stood on the side and like waved his flashlight at any trains that might have been coming, because you know, someone had to do that, but he he picked the cush job in that scenario. He was

doing that so casually too. He was like taking breaks and stuff, and like that was like, what is happening, but it's as long as the mainstream media responds to any So this Scorpion Task Force was a response to murder rates in Memphis going up after the pandem and the way that that you know, rise in crime was covered by the mainstream media was a fucking crime in and of itself when when you actually go back and look like people actually did the work to see what

was happening, and they found that a lot of these programs, these social programs and and public schools were frozen for a long period of time, and those are things that are there to keep people doing things as a community and you know, interacting and doing productive things. And when those things all stopped, there was a rise in the murder rate. And the mainstream ideas analysis of the rise of the murder rate was that the police feelings were hurt and that's why there was a rise of the

murder rate. Like that is ultimately what their version came down to, because like any that, they also said that it was because they got defunded, which didn't happen, Like any defunding was ultimately minimal. So I don't know, I just as we're experiencing the coming news cycle, like I just want to be conscious of the fact that we this is going to start a new conversation about defunding the police, and it's going to be treated as or

what what else? What else could we possibly do? You know, we this is the only thing that we have is creating these like task forces that are like the troop surges in Iraq, like where they just like send people in to be like extra violent and send extra people in and like fund extra fund the police. And it's like, I just want everybody to keep in mind, like that is not what the data says, that's not what any

of the evidence suggests works. And we have like so we're just being fucking bombarded with evidence constantly that that's the case, like policing, doubling down on policing doesn't fucking work. And that's like it's disgusting, it's really sickening that it

feels like George Floyd died. We went through everything that summer trying to like defund the police, and now they've just taken this narrative and said that we have when we haven't, and that that's why, you know, it's like it's kind of like the right being like, oh, this is what the world has come to, and you're like, yeah,

this is what capitalism has made the world. You can't just say it's socialism, you know, you can't just say that it's the opposite of what it is, because like the numbers do speak to the fact that funding police actually causes more violence. It raises like crime rates when the NYPD was on strike, prime rates fell in other in other cities, and like you know, in Massachusetts, I think there was like a police station that was like

disbanded and crime rates fell. Like it all points to defunding the police and funding social services as actually stopping like violence. If you want to stop like people from dying, you cannot fund a cops city in Atlanta. You cannot fund all of these so called like training organizations or

military militarized the police and have no repercussions. Because the reason they're acting like this, the reason that they're able to, you know, kill black people, unarmed people on the street or even in their homes, like with that disabled man that happened like recently, he came out with his hands up and they shot him as soon as he opened

the door. The reason that they're acting like this is because they have those, and I have tanks, and they have gangs as just in you know from Knock l A about the l A p D. You know, like they have the protection of a system and if you keep funneling money into it, they're never gonna stop. This is this is domestic terrorism, That's what this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think it's it's really important to talk about all the times when police officers don't do what they're

supposed to do. Right, think the subway guy. You know, where's the bravery, where is the where were the brave police officers in Uvaldi? They wouldn't is a great example. Yeah, that I should have included. I mean, I mean they there was a Supreme Court case that justified that they do not have to prevent crime or like act when crime is happening. That's why that Parkland officer was allowed to run away with like no repercussions. They that is

not their job. They are protected by law to not do the job that we are using our tax dollars to pay them to do. Yeah, it's it comes down to power dynamics, right when you have the power, when you have the upper hand and you can use that power. Two commit crimes, you're going to and when you don't have power, when you are required to be fully selfless, to be brave, to be a protector, you're not going to do it. Because you got into the police force not to be brave. You got into the police force

to have power. And we have continued in media entertainment two propagate the narrative that police officers are awesome and isn't it cool to be a cop? You know, you turn on chips in the seventies and it's like, wow, they get to wear sunglasses and red around on a motorcycle. Isn't that neat? Or like started to turn off Brooklyn. Yeah, and it's like this is the greatest job. Yeah, but

we don't see the heroism. That is the hallmark of selflessness is to give yourself for someone that you don't know, a stranger. That's what it should be about, is protecting people. But it is not about that. It is a It is a social club for people with no empathy. Yeah.

I think another telling thing is like the more you dig into all of these points that we make, the more in city a sick gets like the number of you know, like cops get to the reason that there's so many cops shows is because of that um deal that they have where they you know, people can use cop precincts and things to like or you know, cop I want to say accessories, alts, but like cars, things like that in order to film and they can do

it for free. It's like a deal with media. And in the same way that mainstream media in terms of reporting is on the cops side. They just take these police reports and run with them, despite knowing that they have over and over again whenever there's video, you know, and sometimes when there is video, they still lie about it, you know. So it's like it's insane that they just

get this freebie and this benefit of the doubt. And I will say that the people who do exhibit that selflessness and that visceral ability to sacrifice themselves and their lives to protect people are the ones fighting against cops.

Like Roywood Jr. Just on the Daily Show, did an invest or, you know, a report about Cops City and the people who are organizing against Cops City and they're literally living in the forest, and you know, they have people have Tortunita, you know, was killed by an environmental activist, was killed by cops during the protests and or you know, trying to protect and prevent Cops City from being built in Atlanta, and they're they're like literally living. All of

those people are like literally living the forest. They've disguised

their voices and their faces. They at any point to become victims to this iss them because we know to cops target people who protest against them, and that those people are like actually putting their lives on the line because they don't have you know, tanks and guns and everything, and they're literally going up in a fight against those people who do in order to protect the environment, protect the community, make sure a black and brown community isn't

invaded by this insane training center, or that you know, cops aren't further militarized. It's it's wild how how the media paints those people crazy for actually standing up and doing something. After years you have these amazing underdog stories like built in to the reality, to the paradignamics of the civilization you're making media for, and you like still bend over backwards to like make stories that like center the police as the protagonist. It's it's fucked and just

like it definitely doesn't make narrow of sense. It doesn't make for like good storytelling. But there's just a lot of inertia there. There's a lot of like institutional you know, inertia. And yeah, you get you get the cool you get to borrow police cars and drive around, run the siren on your movie or whatever. Accessories. I like it. They love accessories, the police. They're special with their little costumes. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be back

to talk about some bullshit. And we're back, and I don't know, I don't know if this is a huge development, but it feels like it could be, like the more

the more I think about it. So Meta is welcoming Trump back onto, like they're going to allow him back on their platform because he asked, like his campaign petition, Meta to unblock his accounts and argued that the ban on him that happened on jan like after the January six attacks has they said, dramatically distorted and inhibited the public discourse, Which is wild because that's like a perfect description of what his presence on social media did for

like all the years that he was the president essentially, and Meta just agreed, and we're like, oh, they asked, so we kind of got to let him back on. But they also announced that they have new guard rails in place, and according to Meta's vice president of global global Affairs, if Trump keeps posting violating content, it will be removed and he will be suspended again. He's literally doing that but on truth social right, Yeah, he just doesn't like that's the thing people are like, yo, we

don't have to imagine what he's going to post. He just like created a like shadow land version of like social media, where he has continued to do the exact same thing, except now he is a full believer in the death cult that he is like the godhead of It's it's like really scary. That's like a big like

things have not gotten better since he was banned. He like the he started doing those speeches with like the big orchestral like swelling music that like comes from the Q. And on soundtracks like he's like he's like Q. And on mix tapes that they were selling that are like very popular SoundCloud no like literally CDs that you can buy where they just like stole music from different places.

But he like at one point, like this music starts swelling up, like as he was delivering a speech and it was like Q and on music, and his audience was like giving the Q salute. And they're like, yeah, well, you know, well, well we'll put a content warning if he's you know, like they're basically saying, and they also said for borderline posts and for rule breaking content that it deems newsworthy newsworthy, the posts will stay up, but Meta may also remove the reshare button for those posts

or stop the post from being recommended. So he's literally allowed to violate their own content rules if it's newsworthy, which it is by definition because he is the former president who leads a death cult that like a terrifying percentage of the country believes it. But it's also so funny.

They're like, if he does something newsworthy on our platform, which we are allowing him to do by letting him back on our platform, will allow it to stay up, Like, bro, just don't make him make news, Like what are you doing? It is both less like guard rail than a sneeze guard and also a little bit like trying to put guardrails on the Titanic as it's thinking like it's just so yeah, I also like I want to have a life where I have such influence that, like a billion

dollar companies have to make special rules for me. You know, they have to let me in and make special rules because that's how hard I touched them. You know. It's a perfect storm of disaster because Trump is obviously flailing with this campaign so far. It's bizarre that he announced so quickly, but I imagine it was for the purposes of fundraising, because that's the number one drift of Donald Trump's worlds, which is fundraising. And also meta Facebook is

uh not a particularly relevant place for conversation anymore. That's when it feels like a death rattle for that platform. And so when they look at the numbers and they say, oh, you know, we're we're hemorrhaging money. Nobody cares about the metaverse. This is a complete waste of time, you know, places like TikTok or eating our lunch. What do we do

but bring back Donald Trump because that ups engagement. He's gonna buy ads across the platform to reach the audience that he still has, which is primarily on places like Facebook. It worries me, like anything that Donald Trump does worries me, obviously because we lived through his presidency. But at the same time, it does feel like one of these like kind of last ditch efforts on both sides to rescue

the relevancy of things that were relevant a decade ago. Right, It's like the end of the Notebook where they hold hands and die together. But it's like the dark version of the true loves of like Insurrection and Creator. You know, Yeah, it's it's really sad to watch on both sides, Aids. And I at least have some kind of hope that because Facebook is already so desperately lame, that it will

continue to wither away because of this decision. I yeah, I can totally see the internal argument and like how how was framed. I also have for a while now had my eye on Mark Zuckerberg as like the next big domino to fall in the like formerly center like mainstream media darlings to who like basically embrace open fascism because he's got all the ingredient, Like he behaves like a fascist while still saying the right things for the most part, so that that's like one symptom that he's

going to ultimately just come out of fascist. He's been like vilified by the sort of neoliberal mainstream that used to like think he was pretty cool. So he probably like feels very hurt by that because he was like getting something from that before and then it went away.

And he's also a billionaire and is like, you know, it's either realized that like having that much money is basically a crime at this point because of like all the problems that are facing the world, or you become a fascist and like embrace one of the many philosophies that are like available to you that allow you to you know, just be like and it turns out I am the hero of this narrative. I don't I don't know. Mark Zuckerberg is pretty pathetic. Oh he's he's too much

of a weasel. I just think he's too much of a weasel to ever really be popular in those circles. I don't think he has the charisma or the shamelessness of the truly successful fascists out there. Elon Musk is a perfect example of a guy who's just like I'm desperate for attention. I don't think Mark Zuckerberg wants attention.

I think he eats some sort of white gruel paste every morning and powers up and then powers down before bed and doesn't really have any sort of understanding of human nature or what you know people think about him. I don't, I don't. I just think he's like an alien, and so I think he does. Okay, I think he does want attention. Otherwise, why would he leak that sweet martial arts video that made us all so thirsty? You know what I mean. I feel like he's not doing

it the way Elon Musk is. Elon Musk is like, please love me under like everyone every right wing person's tweets, And actually I think I'm pretty funny. So yeah, interesting, interesting, But I look at He's never once uttered that he thinks people are pathetic. But I think like Zuckerberg is not looking to come out at a Dave Chappelle's show. I think Zuckerberg is like, I'll just be like, you know, like the nerdy, nice guy that like people overlook but

like I'm like getting totally ripped. I'm working on my tan on this, like but like what is it? What did he do? Like windsurfing thing? You know, He's just like I'm gonna be like the cool billionaire you know that doesn't go through a divorce. You know, I think he still wants to be liked but but not in the same way that Elon Musk. Not in the same way. Now, yeah, he's going to be posting feet on the racial chats

and that's what he's gonna do. Yeah. I feel like the Winkl Lost Twins would have been more overt with it, you know, more of that charisma you're like, but yeah, yeah, if the Winkl Lost Twins had won, that we would all be like in prison camps now. Yeah. So anyways, another big indicator, like as Dave you you mentioned, like they Trump and his campaign entities have spent a hundred and fifty seven million dollars on meta since like that

was between ten and like when he was banned. So he he's the number one political ad buyer and there's a reason for that. Those ads are super fucking targeted and really good at reaching people, and you know, you can spread Like I think one of the ads that got banned was like him using Nazi like imagery in his ads and they're like, whoa, that's that's a bridge too far, and he's like, well, I've been I've used it across a hundred ads, Like what is what is that?

Like that email interaction, like you know when you like violate a Twitter it's like terms of service or whatever. And they're like, hey, Paula be we're worried about your mental health. Like OK, and you're like, appeal, I'm gonna kill myself just not now, you know. But like what do they do that? Like does he get an email that's like, hey, it violates community guidelines that you said you love Nazis And he's like, I'm gonna appeal this.

I did say that, and it is on you out, but I am going to appeal this, you know, Like how does that work? Yeah? Since what is love not part of the terms of service? Oh, that's against the term disservice to love something organized community? You know, we just have a little group. We get together and we light a pyre and uh, we march around for a

little bit. What's the problem. And in the case of you know, using Nazi imagery but doing doing it well paying Facebook, the thing that needs to happen is that like a bunch of people have to call it out in the media two for them too then be like, oh,

we really hate to do this. And then there's probably some like really like glad handy emails back and forth being like oh guys, uh, this is probably a mistake and totally you know, well intentioned, but you've been using Nazi symbolism in your ads constantly pause like you have finish in your teeth, But Nazi symbolism in your ad will give days to get back to us on this one.

It really is like like up to the advertisers to pull out you know, like and those people aren't gonna do it unless there's outrage with you know, like this citizens. You know, like unless there's outrage with the people. So it's it takes like a it's a whole like tiered thing of like, Okay, we have to like threaten the advertisers, to threaten these social media giants to get you know,

these fucking hate speech off off in front of our screens. Well, this is the problem that most people will never see that stuff. It's exact targeted to the people that it will work most effectively on. Yes, the algorithm knows you're really going to like this imagery from Triumph of the Will, so we're going to feed it to you so I

will never see it. I'm not on Facebook, so I'm not even interacting with people who have seen it, which means that there is a whole their ecosystem, there's a whole other world where this stuff is being pumped into your brain. And that's the thing that I find the

most insidious about Facebook. If Mark Zuckerberg tomorrow said, uh that he thinks that Jewish people but he is Jewish, if Jewish people were terrible and need need to be put into camps, that might be better for the world, because then we would be able to say this is bad. One of the great things about Elon Musk is that he is so terrible at his job, which is the figurehead of a company, that we can all point to

the stupid stuff that he says. We can all look at how right wing and and hateful he really is deep down. You can't do that with Mark Zuckerberg. You can't do that with Facebook or Meta or whatever the company is called now because it is it treats itself as completely politically neutral. It says, we don't believe in any of the things that are on our platform. We take no responsibility for what is on our platform. We

have a responsibility to the shareholders. We have a responsibility to make money, and so that allows them to whitewash everything and you can seem banal, it can seem non threatening. It can be oh, we're not called Facebook anymore now we're called Meta and we have this metaverse. And actually this company is really exciting, and it's about community. It's not about community. It's about propaganda foisted onto people, paid propaganda, which is the worst thing because the people with the

most money have the most access to the megaphone. That's scary to me. Scarier than him being a right wing guy, is him being just completely focused on money. That is true, And but I think like one of the things, well a few different things, like the metrics don't even prove that their neutral beyond like the theory of like, oh saying all of this hate speech versus we want to feed and house and educate people. That's it helps not neutral, you know what I mean, Like if you look at

the two sides of it. But in addition to that, the metrics show that like you know, the like right wing posts are being shown to more people and like a more targeted a way, and like people on the left are like don't have their posts like promoted as as well, I guess, or even like suppressed sometimes I think they had like a news story on that, like within the last year. But oh yeah, I mean reality is different from perception. Yeah, reality is what you're talking about.

The perception is or Facebook, it's a place photos of your kitty. And so as long as the perception remains neutral, people will not be upset the way that they should be the way that they're upset about Twitter, because it is out in the open and it says this is what it's supposed to be. So I want them to be more about out front, up front about it. I want them to be saying these things and being clear

about what this platform is for. I mean, it's it's the same back to the cops, right, It's all about branding and perception, all right. Well, Dave, truly a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you? Follow you? All that good stuff? Oh boy? Well, I'm still on Twitter. I hate to say it, but I'm still there because I don't know what else to do with my life. I'm at Dave Underscore Shilling for the

time being. You can follow me on Instagram at d W Shilling if you want to see pictures of my son, which is uh. I guess I should probably start deleting those. I don't want people following him around And uh I, I you know, I'm still writing for the only time, So if you have style, interests, needs, curiosity, please read me in the only times. There you go. And is there a tweet or some other work of media social media that you've been enjoying. Oh boy, I'll go back

to the Whale. And anytime somebody posts a photo of him on the zoom in the movie teaching his class, a kind of a kind of chuckle, not because he is playing a larger person, but because of how ridiculous the makeup is and the faces that he makes in this film. It feels like Dick Tracy sometimes. So anytime there's a meme with Brendan Fraser in The Whale in it,

I will laugh. I don't have one in particular. I just love the fact that they did this movie, that the makeup is nominated for an oscar and he looks like a cartoon man. Yeah, that's Aaron off, that is. Yes, it's sort of kind of a sibling to the Fountain in a way. I think if you like The Fountain, you might like this movie way less science fiction in The Whale. Sadly, there's no spaceships or time travel in this one. But yeah, he's a I like a lot

of his movies that did. The Wrestler is probably his best film. But he is not a subtle guy. Is not a subtle movie. The subtlety of re Quiem for a Dream. Yeah, he just gets a big double into dildo and wax you over the head of as he says, anyway, I just want to I just want to depart by saying one more time, people are amazing play where can

people find you? Follow you? And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying, um, Paula Deganalen everywhere And I've been watching Okay, so I do have a tweet, But I have been watching a lot of like nineties movies like and a lot of like you know, like Julia Roberts he rant. I'm going to go back into Brendan fit Fraser's catalog. But I just watched Boomerang for the first time, like nineties eighties stuff, and uh, I

enjoyed it. I mean, sure, it's hella homophobic and transphobic, but yeah, that's something that I had to turn my at off for whenever watching anything from comedians of that time, but for those comedians of that time. But I enjoyed the rest of the movie if I, you know, blacked out that part. The one tweet that I do want to talk about. Okay, So Chris D'Elia posted on his Instagram or something his ugly ask face and then he said catch Chris d'lia in New York on February eighteen.

And then my friend Mohanned al Hiki el Shaky m O h A m A D E L s h I E K Y posted that screenshot and said, yeah, I hope they do catch you. You know, I hate these rapists, y'all get them off the streets. Chris Hansen descends from the ceiling, yeah, from from to Catch a Predator. You guys remember that, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, when he would descend from from the ceiling, they definitely should have

done that. W W your style, Yeah, just like the guys like Batman crashing through he brought for his child victim, and like Chris what's his name like descends slowly from yeah, behind him. I've been enjoying just some tweets, some simple statements that have been tweeted out by celebrities. Yesterday, I enjoyed the Sandra Bullock tweeted, I was so scared when we were making gravity and then up there in space so much I was like, I love I've been watching

her movies. I love her. Yeah, I do too, She's so good in the Lost City. What a what a star? Whis Khalifa just tweeted, I'm just starting to realize how funny the granddad from the Simpsons is. Oh yeah, I retweeted that that's good stuff. Loved it. Yeah, you know, it's been thirty years, but my man finally came around to big. Too many Abe haters out there. Yeah. Abe

was one of the best Simpsons characters of all. Yeah, truly, So that's some of my favorite that gift of him, like walking in the time backing into the bushes, might be my two favorite Simpsons get like and not Like, I'm not like and I These are my secret favorites. Those are probably also the two most popular ones. They're two most commonly used, but they're used for a reason. They're both solid, beautiful and also. Rigottresh tweeted, what is a good male acting performance where he is bored at?

Which is? Did you pick the original? I mean I picked the TV show. Actually, do people know about the HBO TV show where he was boring Ali g show? Yeah, like people that was where it all started. Yeah, I know, I know, But like, do I feel like that's due for like young people being like you on TikTok It just becomes a dance trend, like the new Seinfelder Friends

or The Office. I do think that like a lot of people don't know where, Like I have been rewatching Seinfeld and have not realized like how many pop culture references come from that show, And so I feel like people are starting are probably they're probably a lot of young people who are like my wife and have no idea why they're saying. You know, there's there's a whole legion of people who were like, did you see the Frasier from the show Frasier was on a show about

a bar? Oh my god, so we're seeing him drink beer. It makes me happy. They shouldn't know everything, you know, Let them know what they know now and then you know. And I'm not one of the people who gets frustrated when they find out and they're like, have you heard of cheers? I'm not like, yes, you idiot, thank you, thank you. I'm so happy that you're experiencing this. You've got all this time and you're not spending it watching old television shows. You absolute piece of ship. You can

find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website Daily zy geist dot com, where we post our episodes on our foot notes where we link off to the information that we talked about today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Super producer justin what is the song that you think

people might enjoy? So I've just been listening to these short little TikTok songs that you know, pop up to like a minute and a half, and this one came across my radar. Uh. This is comedian and rappers Zach Box. He was on another show I work on. My mama told me Sipping my tea incredible song. There's like the jokes per second are astounding. It's it made me laugh like several times, and the beatast fires. So this is zack Box Sip in my Tea. And you can find

that song in the footnotes. All right, thank you. Justin. The Daily Zey Guys is a production of I Heart Radio for More podcast for my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. But we are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to you all then bye,