Confirmation Bias On 9 Million. Anna's Streamingest Streaming Corner 01.27.23

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write angles. We know that that's right, well, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a writer and director behind absolute classics like Eagle Heart with Chris Elliott, the Academy Award nominator bore At Subsequent movie Film, and the new comedy classic Mind Bending docu series Politique Goldman. It is Jason Will and thanks guys, thanks for having me. It's like coming on. We are

very excited. We're very excited to have you on. We've just been talking about the show NonStop, and like I was saying before, it's not often we get to talk to somebody who's made a show that we're like, oh, yeah, I like that. Yeah, we just like we just talked about it from our our altitude. Thank you for that's cool. No, mostly it was just making it. So I'm just it's not often I get to talk about it. It's like to be at that point and not not have to

work on it anymore. It seemed like a lot of work. That would be my first note. Yeah, it's a show that's designed to prove when you watch it that it was a lot of work. You showed your work made. Yeah, we we have a segment streaming corner that listeners are aware of, but the way those usually come together is on a Hosnier texts us at like you know, midnight.

Sometimes she's just finished watching something and she's like, you guys have to watch this immediately streaming corner stat and you know with the in the case of the vowel Season two of The Vale, for instance, I've I've been a little bit slow, a little bit negligent on my response to that prompt. But this one we immediately got into. We're talking about the next day, and that was before we knew you were coming on. So this is, uh,

this is a thrill. We're gonna do a on a streaming corner in act three and talk Paul T coltman with you here, all right, Jason, We're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk about the Woke Wars continue with a w beer and and Xbox, one of them intentionally stepping and waiting into the conversation. One of them, I don't know. I can't imagine that. Xbox was like, oh, this is gonna this

is gonna piss off felt. It feels like engineers are like, hey, this is a an increased efficiency we've found. Yeah, we're gonna talk about Alex Jones's long standing up session with Stanley Kubrick, where it comes from some weird things like there's a lot of conspiracy thinking around Stanley Kubrick movies that are just They're like there's like a hidden message in there. I was like, No, that's just that's art. That's how art works. There are ideas in the art.

Were picking up. What's he saying with that? Yeah, so we'll talk about that, and of course we're gonna talk pol T Goldman. But before we get to any of it, Jason, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I was just looking at my history from yesterday. We had caper vinigrette which I was trying to figure out how to make for dinner, and uh and also racist

Dutch theme park doing uh my Friends podcast. And there's a theme park in the Netherlands called Efteling that recently, after a long battle, changed some very racist rides that they had, So I needed to bone up on that theme park. International theme park controversy. Wow, there's there's a couple of theme parks dealing with some racist controversy that they're having to undo. Are the are the Dutch like crying over the fact that they had to change their

theme park like they do it? They were really holding onto it and this stuff was way more outwardly racist than anything that that was. No, So monster Cannabo Okay, yeah you found it. This is fucking violence and it only changed like very recently. Yeah, and uh, I mean it's a whole it's a whole different culture they have over there, I suppose, but they also have like a very racist rip off of It's a Small World with scenes of like Africa and Asia. I mean, just like

crazy stuff that this still existed. But and then they changed that, but they kept Msieur Canniball. They were holding onto that one. They finally changed that one, but I wanted to make sure I have my facts, right, So yeah, that's yesterday, Yeah Monsieur Canniball. For people who don't even

if you're not googling. Basically, it's like a tea cup ride where all these like pots over fire are rotating around a central like racist figure of what I'm believing is to be some kind of African person who is going to eat the people. It's the most shockingly offensive thing, uh, that you've ever seen ever. I'm surprised that the photo of it is in color, Like that's how racist it is.

I'm like, this is before color cameras, right, yeah, and that and their excuse was like, well, you gotta understand this ride was made like thirty years ago. It's like thirty years ago. This was not we made this back in the late eighties. You have to understand this came out right after soul Man was released in theater, so this just can't be too offensive. Yeah, right, what the fun? Oh my god? I wondered was the ice cream cone always there? Because he is eating an ice cream cone?

Which are you saying that makes it okay? I'm wondering if they tried to make it okay by being like, he's not just eating people. He also like, that's not like African, Like ice cream not necessarily doesn't mean he's an African because he likes that, But it feels like police reform where it's like, let's change this one thing. And it was like, that's not the fucking problem. Like I don't know that he wasn't eating ice cream. What is something you think is overrated? I think remote work

is overrated. I think we gotta get back together. Yeah, what's going on right now? This zoom? Yeah, I would love to do it. We should be in the same room. How is it how is remote work in the age of like I can totally see that for when you're trying to make creative projects, and you know, I know some people that have adapted to like digitally collaborating creatively while there's like, man, you miss so much energy in

the room. Yeah, well that's what like editing this show over the past six months, Like, you know, there's a little bit remote like graphics work, but by and large, we like we shared an office in Hollywood, and so much of that was just like being in the stage, sitting in a room looking at cards on the wall, and like there is an energy where you just don't

have it when you're on zoom. In terms of creative stuff, I think is like hopefully, yeah, it's just not gonna fully go away because of COVID, because it really does make a difference. I think it's not a fun not a fun answer, not a fun an there. But I don't want to shoot on any movies or TV I've seen. Come on, let's let's let's take some right now. Put it all on the line. Everything is overrated. Everything you like is overrated. I was just making sure this that

was except tar Tar is good. I was making sure This wasn't like a Bob Biker take where he's like, alright, fucker's enough fucking around, get your asses in the office, because sucking rents too high. But it's the missing X factor for you of like collaborating in person. Yeah, I just think human interaction in terms of like when you're doing something creative, it is still the best when you can actually get together with people. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm mixed.

I I was actually in the office yesterday for like a meeting. It's just there's so much ship to do, like I don't know, so much less time was like moving that driving and ship driving. Yeah, driving is overrated. I think offices are are also overrated though, U so. But like when I would like do shows that I would write on. I mean this show that I'm I'm talking about that I just put out, there was no

writing on it. This this guy wrote everything. But other things I've done adults swim stuff or whatever, Like we would just rent a house for a few months and just sit in the living room and right just because Yeah, office environments are not not great either, Like the office you made the office like a residential space basically, Yeah, we would just get a house over you know, Verbo or whatever, and and just like sit in the living room and right, which is the nice way to work

the hey day. I don't think Iger is gonna like that one gonna be a budget for they in there? Is that why they're just doing wall to wall writing? No, man, they just they just preferred to meet in there. Yeah, there's a whole But what's the studio that has just

houses on the lot like oh, like Warner Brothers. Yeah, Warner has like the lot with just it looks like a suburban street and like it's close to like the real like you know how like you know, like I know a Ron's production company has an office there and like just yeah, what what read is exteriors eat inside? The secrets are all there, that's right. What is something you think is underrated? McDonald's. I think McDonald's is really great. And I thought if there was like only one McDonald's,

I would like travel far to eat that food. I think we take it for granted because it's everywhere. Because it's everywhere, And there's one of the Sunset that just closed, and then I saw another one at the Galleria and Glendia other close. I get so disturbed. When of McDonald's closes, it feels like like the there's something I get shaken by it where it feels like those should be just like a constant, like there should only be as many as there are or more. When they start going away,

I get really worried about everything. Yeah, that does feel like it can't be like I had. There's a McDonald's by my my mom's house where I grew up that closed down recently, and I was like, oh fuck, like we it's this is like, this is my indicator for where the economy or where like society as headed. And like even this McDonald's. Come to find out, they just demolished it so they could put up like a futuristic like McDonald's. And it came back, and the relief I

had was so fucked up. I was like, fucking thank god. It's just one of those spaceship abomination McDonald's. And that's just that it closed down because business was bad. Okay good. Yeah, See that's that's a happy ending to that story. Have you been to any McDonald's overseas? We were just reading about one in Whales that somebody like a food critic was making a straight faced argument that it is the best restaurant in Wales, Welsh McDonald's because they, you know,

just a lot of attention. It's not it's not just the standard menu. That's Yeah, anytime I travel, I go to the local McDonald's because like, yeah, there was one and we're in Kyoto and they had weird like shrimp stuff. I think, Yeah, I always go wherever I wherever I go, try to see what the differences are. It's something like there's such an American way to kind of make sense of like the world too. We're like yeah, when I'm abroad though, too, like I gotta check out McDonald's so

I can understand. I can really understand what's going on. You get my bearings. Yeah, oh, so I can tell because there's hormone on this Spanish McDonald's hamburger. The Spanish like hormone, it seems, rather than just opening our eyes. When I was in eighth grade in Kentucky, in the public school system in Kentucky, the there were two like big so there was a big event at the end

of the year. There was the Chicago trip that eighth graders got to like take a bus up to Chicago and the things we did there, like in retrospect, were like I think there was one architectural tour, but like that one of the big events was the rock and roll McDonald's. What was that. It's just a McDonald's with like some statues and they play old timey rock music

and that the statues are of Ronald McDonald. I don't want to imply that there's any more thematic coherence than maybe like Ronald McDonald has a pompadour on one of the statues or something. And that was a Wesley Willis song, you know him, singer sadly deceased, but he had a song called rock and roll McDonald's. I wonder I always just thought it was, oh yeah, rock roll McDon How

it went, Yeah, exactly like that. But yeah, yeah, I remember that being like a thing that they were they were thinking about updating, but it was many years past it being a thing that really made sense as existing. Yeah. Oh now it's I think we talked. I remember you mentioned and we looked in and out it's like this like postmodern. It's so modern now it looks like like like the headquarters of like a cult. Yes, that's what happened.

It looks like store. Yeah, that's what. Yeah, so the rock and roll McDonald's used to uh look kind of like a pizza hut, Like it had that like red roof that was like somewhat Yeah, the old the O. G. McDonald's style. Yeah. O G. McDonald's I guess. But oh yeah, yeah, I like around and you know, so somewhere places not far from mele and they still have something like the really old ones with the arches are like, it's cool

when you find like a really old looking McDonald's. Yeah, we're old pioneer chicken like in l A. Those are those are like artifact fast food place. I don't know if the if that one's still open. Do you have a favorite McDonald's you've ever been to, like stands out in your mind. No, My favorite thing is just that they're they're mostly all the same, uh, and it's just

the consistency. Someone there's some like Andy Warhol quote. I think it was about Coca Cola, but it applies to McDonald's that like even the richest person in the world can't get a better you know, meal for McDonald's than than the poorest person can't, which is something that's like that's I think you're saying about coca cola, it's like everyone's shrinking the same coke. And as we all know, McDonald's has the best coca cola in the game, and

they do it and sprite. Now, they had these crazy water filtration things that because the water you know, anywhere you go is different, so they filter the hell out of the water. So every like soft drink tastes the same McDonald's to McDonald's because they know it's like that consistency and reassurance that people are going there for. So like, that's why it is so good man. That Okay, that makes sense. That's why I like, I'm glad that especially

like sprite has medicinal qualities. One that yeah, I recently put like my my partner onto she was like she never would get McDonald's proud. I'm like, you don't know about McDonald's sprite, Like you you're really holding yourself back because she just doesn't like soda. And when when she was sick, I got her some McDonald's sprite and the way she was like, She's like it's more bubbly I think, and more sugar. I'm like it could be this weird

fucking placebo effect that culture has created. But there's something different, and and I know the Internet agrees with me on this. Yeah, I always thought it was just that they had wider straws. The straws do seem like a little bit wider, that's definitely true. Yeah, So it was always like, oh, it hits different because it's got wider straws. You take a sip in it, just like your whole mouth is full. But yeah, definitely it makes sense that it's some proprietary

recipe of some sorts. All right, well, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about more fast food restaurants, because this is a very dumb show. We'll be right back and we're back and alright and w Q. You know, they this is a this is a nice work of social media. Kudos to their social media team. It's just like a spoof of the McDonald or the Eminem's statement that even open it with America, let's talk like the Eminem's did and even use the word polarizing.

It's just like it's so they did the exact same, like even color scheme with brown and like it's just it's identical to the McDonald the Eminem's one. Damn, we're both on that McDonald's eminem's suck up that, you know, but just swap out the logos and again they say, this is so funny that since nineteen sixty three, Rudy the Great root Bear has been our beloved spokes bear. We knew people would notice because he's literally a six foot tall bear wearing an orange sweater, but now we

get it. Even a mascot's lack of pants can be polarizing. Therefore, we have decided that Rudy well where jeans going forward. Not to worry, though, he will remain our official spokes bear. After all, he is unbearably cute anyway, fantastic, great, good for you, But oh my god, it's no way this is I think what I think how Fox took it. They're like, what's going on? What is going on? I think most people were like, okay, a and w social media person like nice one but kind of thirsty for

being real. And but the people that Fox, they I don't know. They are like suffering from such intense brain rot that they have fully lost the ability to even understand irony. I'm just gonna play their reaction when they're like and guess what, folks, it's not even ending with M and M S because now and W's on the woke wagon polarizing. First of it's ridiculous, now a bear has to have with Ryan, I mean having what is the problem. It's just the woke police cancel culture has gone.

It's just ridiculous. You think you think it's a joke. I mean, it's not like it gets in the headlines every day. Maybe this is their moment. Yeah, well maybe that's why they do it for the intention. You should see the devil angel battle in my head to make a joke on this, and I'm going to withdraw. I'm seeing you think the ballance because I like my job. I had a bunch of jokes, none of them appropriate. Okay, I don't even I don't even know what you could

have potentially attempted as a joke there. I think he was gonna make some baar dick joke smiles, but like, what what is it? Is it? That was? That? Was there an obvious baar dick joke there? Also, for the for people who weren't watching the video, the guy who spoke first and was like I just like maybe like was maybe like maybe going to call out the fact that it was a joke. He was on the verge of tears. I know, it wasn't clear if he was about to laugh or cry. He was about he was

about to burst into tears. Yeah, that's like they're just like doing a play, like they know somewhere in there they know the w's social media person is joking, and they're like, I think they're just so far beyond understanding, like are we joking? Are we serious about that? We don't know for joking anymore. That's the funny part is like obviously they know that they're they all sing from

like the same script. But like I guess also too, when your confirmation bias like said to like nine trillion, then like you're just like on everything's like, oh my god, what the funk he's wearing pants without maybe first giving yourself a second. But I just I don't know, there's something interesting if maybe this could be a shift in the culture. Wars just trying to bait them even more. I feel like with twenty well spent dollars, you could

convince the conservas. Yeah, like do you think if you ask any of those people like point blank, do you think that wearing pants is woke, Like they like like, yes, they're trying to make us wear pants. Yeah, Like it's so absurd. It's everyone's just kind of goofing around. I think I never no one knows what they're saying. Yeah, they're doing bits there. Yeah. It really feels like that.

Even even the Tucker Carlson like Eminem's thing, he seemed like deflated when he was doing it, but he played a clip of it and he was just like and now they've like released more Eminem's and they're like not hot, and so we're going to talk about it because that's what we do on this show. Never mind. Uh yeah, that's I feel like everyone's just kind of like playing their role with Yeah you should just fat them with stupider and stupider things and just see like alright, I

guess we've got to get mad about this. Yeah, Like here this is another segment where Fox they got mad or again, because I guess it's just part of like the rhetorical menu that they have to offer people, which is like we're going to have to put some kind

of form of cultural outrage on the show. Xbox like announced that they had like a new power saving mode, so like when the ship was turned off, like you would use way less energy just to be like, yeah, that's that's less of an electrical bill for you too, just more efficient. And they somehow turned this into the indoctrination of children. But we understand what this is. It's

not that it's actually going to offset emissions. Okay, the level of reduction is infinitesimal, but they're trying to recruit your kids into climate politics and an earlier age make them climate conscious. Now the children, of course, they make them like that's I'm like again, are they that mad that it's more efficient, that it would save you money

on your bills? Because now like we're just becoming anti efficiency also because like again I get, I get how in their minds they can draw a straight line from something being using less energy to be like and that's their climate change activism agenda. But like, these people aren't losing their fucking minds when like a truck uses less

like it's more fuel efficient. I get when they're like there, yeah, they're they're acting though, they're doing a play to keep you watching Fox News, like they don't believe any of this, Like Tucker Carlson railing against the vaccine early vaccine. He definitely had to be vaccinated to come back to work. Like the what these people actually believe if you actually sat down with them and what they say on their

I think there's a big disconnect. I mean, I think it's it's obviously wicked, but I think it's all a joke like to them, I guess that's probably how they sleep at night too, right, how it's how they make their money. Yeah, And it's like like, Okay, yeah, here's my character. I go on, I act mad about stuff. But even him using the term climate conscious like implies like you know, this is uh not a bad thing.

This is like you know, yeah, I don't. I don't know, Like it's I think it's it's all just bad faith play acting of outrage. It's the thing that I'm like really curious about, right because it's all their whole, their whole like media infrastructure. They're like the what am I looking for? The ecosystem where all this information is coming from?

Like there's always this like weird irony at the end of the day, Like it's always really bad for the consumer to agree with what they're seeing on Fox, like and then they're like yeah, man, I don't need fucking medicine, man. Yeah, Like I'm gonna sleep with a gas heater on in my bedroom with the window shut because I'm not woke.

Like it's just funny how the feedback loop also is like in specific ways, like with the vaccine is something that is absolutely and athetical to them like living a longer, healthy life, and then in the broader scale for every human being on earth to probably suffer the consequences because we're not tackling these issues correctly. But then they don't tell the local like AM talk radio people because they're all like actually dying from like COVID and they're like,

nobody told me wholes are all vaccinated. I'm out here dying for this ship. Different levels, I mean, there's levels to it, you know, you always yeah, I I have to think that, Like when when she was like, oh wow, I didn't even think about that they are trying to I think she had thought about that because it was in the script that they were working off of. Yes,

I had not even thought about that. You know. Fox News is an entertainment channel and that's all it is, and it's keeping and and it's job is to keep people watching Fox News and they figured out this is what does it? That's what that's argument they made to keep Tucker Carlson like after he did, I forget what specifically damaging conspiracy theory he was spreading at the time, but there was actually I forget if it like went

to court or something. But they had to come out and be like, Tucker Carlson is an entertainers, right, That's the evil thing is because the people watching don't think of it his entertainment. They think they're watching a news channel and they're like, oh, man, so if Tucker is not getting horny f eminem's, then that means America's losing, because that's right. He'll say something like that and get

mad and he knows. Look, you remember the thing that came out of him wasn't he was like thanking Joe Biden for helping his kid out or just something where you read or like what this has nothing to do with this character we're seeing on screen. It was like, oh, the world, the real world of these people are so different than what we're seeing on screen. But right, the people at home, who are you know, for instance, not getting the vaccine or getting riled up about woke. Eminem's

like to them, that's real. To them, this is real life. But the people on screen this is this is their job is the show. I think again, and I think part of the thing that makes this like really part of the bread and butter the network is like they have to politicize everything, but they can actually talk hard politics or policy because then that that begins to be like something you have to reckon with like facts and

like what works and doesn't work. You can't be like, well, what would eighteen billion dollars less being spent on defense mean for X, Y and Z. It's like, I don't know, man, they don't want to spend that. It's because they want to make the soldiers wear addresses or something. And it's like and it doesn't speak, It has nothing to do with facts. It just speaks to your appealing to like a victimization feeling among the audience and saying you're right

there there, you're not crazy. They're coming for you. They want to take what you have. They're coming to get you. And that's the thing that keeps people watching them, gets them advertising dollars. Yeah, I mean just skipping down to somebody who is has actually gone on the record in court being like, I am a professional wrestling character that

you know. Alex Jones, our writer jam was pointing out he was doing some research watching the thing and noticed that like one of the logos was hal nine thousand, like in a but it was like kind of sweaty. It didn't make sense as a as a reference, and so he looked into it. And Alex Jones apparently is weirdly obsessed with Stanley Kubrick and making the case that

Stanley Kubrick is like a right wing profit. A few years ago, they published an editorial about how the world of a Clockwork Orange bears an uncomfortable resemblance to our own. The film is too bold, too brash, too brazen, and it's honest yet stylized depiction of the foibles and failures of humanity in our society, and too unflinching and its artistic honesty and insight for our soft modern world, which

is funny. First of all, it's funny to like take the entire point of a dystopian sci fi movie, which is to like show you a world that seems different, but then the more you watch, you're like, ah, but I see the similarities and you know and just like say it in a tone that makes it sound like it's a conspiracy that they've done this, like that it's

a secret message that they're sending you. Reminds me of like the Da Vinci Code, where they like took symbolism in art and like reduced it to the level of like a crossword puzzle where you're like, when you look at her hand, she's actually pointing at a word jumble that's written over here in invisible link that you have to solve to to find out the clue. But also it's just ignoring I don't know, fact, like it's too

woke for our world. And it's a movie that was incredibly controversial when it came out in the seventies, like it sparked massive protests and like Stanley Kuber banned it in the UK like decided not to distribute it. But yeah, it's just wild too again, like the weird confirmation bias set to nine million or whatever. It's just like like

every like, yeah, oh, I can see it now. But again, it's always having to be you know, bending towards whatever you needed to meet to mean, and in this case, I just love it's like exactly he foretold all of these issues, except I'm not quite sure which side of

this equation I'm actually on. Yeah, And then he had Stanley Kubrick's daughter, Vivian Kubrick on, and apparently she's a huge Alex Jones fan now and is yeah, I don't know, like violent art, far right memes on Twitter and publicly proclaimed her admiration of Alex Jones when she came on, said I've been listening to Alex Jones for many years. I know how accurate he has been about what's going

down on this planet. And also so she she's wearing a headlight and to go pro camera on her head and said that enemies of humanity are running the world, the world, and they might be extraterrestrials. And that was like in the first five minutes of the show, which is just it's such a bummer, truly, is that, like, I don't know, that's it's getting to everyone, you know. Alex Jones also thinks Stanley Koprick had psychic powers and

that's where he got his movie ideas. Again, just like Wild, just attempt by someone who's not creative to understand the creative process. He must have been had some someone sending him psychic messages like how did you come up with Dr Strange Love five years before you know, the the Cube Missile crisis or a decade before the Cuban Missile crisis.

It's like that there was It was based on a dramatic novel that had already been singled out by the Pentagon for its accuracy, like repeatedly, he just kept confusing. Really like Stanley Kubrick did really careful and intense and broad research for all of his movies, like the He the other thing, he's like shut like I've seen massed orgies in my time. By that he like dropped that as an aside. He was like when I was a teenager, I went to some satanic massed orgies and just like

didn't didn't go further into that. But he took the Eyes Wide Shut orgy as like a sign that he was telling on actual like orgies that Stanley Kubrick had been invited to, when in fact it was like this deep historical research into actual you know, rituals from the

eighteenth and nineteenth century, like how those things actually went down. Also, their conspiracy is that Eyes White Shut was about like the real illuminati and that like powerful celebrities had Kubrick killed because he died right after completing the movie, which is just doesn't really hold together as a like why would he He had been working on that since like the sixties. Yeah, they should have killed him before she

showed him, before he completed it. I like that. They're just like, yeah, just their the assassins are like hold on, let him cook. Want to see what he got going. They're like, yeah, I'm a big fan. Wait, no, we gotta finish it. But then yeah, we gotta punish him. Yeah. And also again, yeah, the question of where he got the idea for eyes why shut could have been solved

with Google. Like that's the thing. So many of these kind of long running conspiracy theories, and this kind of this comes up in Polti Goldman as well, like the so many of these things can be solved with Google, like just a little bit of Google, not even you know, prolonged and detailed research, but just a little bit to be like, oh, there are these four other explanations. That also makes sense. Yeah, I mean to what you guys are talking about in terms of confirmation bias, It's like, yeah,

it's kind of the backwards. You decide what the truth is, and then you make every bit of information you find line up with it and kind of willfully ignore anything that contradicts. Thator adds complexity to it. But yeah, I mean you see that happening everywhere. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we will come back and do on a streaming corner and talk about all that stuff as it relates to Paul T. Goldman. We'll

be right back. And we're back and we are joined by superproducer on a hose Ny for a little thing. We call on a streaming corner, streaming corner to talk about Paul Goldman. Wow, this is mom entis the first and a streaming corner where we've had a person from the corner of streams on the show. Okay, that's wild. I'm so psyched to be in the corners here. Oh hey, how's it going? No, this is thrilling because yeah, I

heard you say. I did probably texted. All My streaming takes place between midnight to four in the morning because they're working me to death here please help, And so I like immediately start screaming through text at these guys to start watching anything and everything I'm watching, so PAULTI goodman those first I think you could you guys dropped four episodes or was it three? Three? On New Year's Day?

Great time to release the show. Everyone's definitely looking for, like a really hard to describe that you need to use your brain to watch when you're hungover a New Year's Day. So it's made a huge splash, has expected. I mean it got me after three episodes. I was like, they released the whole sa. I think I think this first time Paul breaks can't break, like breaks the fourth wall and like you and then like you kind of

zoom out to see like the production. I think I paused, and I think I texted and I was like, yeah, this this ship is good for people who don't know because you probably just keep hearing the name Jason. How would you describe it like to something Like you said, it's a difficult just to describe show, but I'd imagine the person who directed it would probably have a decent way to describe it to people. You would imagine that

you would be surprisingly wrong. It's probably why it took me like ten years to make it, because this is a very hard show to describe. It. Basically, it's a it's a documentary series about a real person who calls himself Paul T. Goldman, and it's his story about how he married a lady who turned out to have a secret double life and how he basically vowed to take down her international crime ring which may or may not exist, and it's about kind of me trying to figure out

what the hell is going on. Yeah, he's he's a he's a fascinating character. Like I wanted to just ask, like, how, like what about him did you see see as worthy of of this documentary because he ends up being someone that like I loved and like felt like felt for, you know, and like he has this weird penchant to like gravitate towards being scammed in any given situation. I mean, minimum five scams happened to this series, Yes, including this

series itself. Yeah, that I didn't class I told my friends was like he was scammed by scamed by multiple people, including Jason. No. I mean that's why I referenced that in the show. I mean that was part of his wondering how much I'm just another person kind of taking him image of his very trusting nature. But yeah, he tweeted at me in two thousand and twelve, and he said, I have an incredible story to tell, and I wrote

a book and a screenplay about it. And I looked at his website, I looked at his you know, and I read his book, and I just fell in love with kind of his voice and and just thought it was so fascinating. It's a story with like a lot of dark stuff in it, but also he's very you know, light and goofy and likable. And I thought that was such an interesting contrast. And and uh, I mean, I didn't know I was going to spend ten years on it, but I do think there's something there that was kind

of worth exploring. Yeah, and you capture this depiction of a type or like a real person that I don't think exists in a lot of places, like in media. In like it just feels very authentic and like you're seeing a work of art about you know, like those paintings that you see in museums that are like of everyday people as opposed to the ones that are like

about of the royalty. Like it feels like you're getting this really in depth depiction of like who he is, but also like what his imagination is, what his version of the world is. And it's also a very specific portrait of like the years. I think it's so like two up to the present, like really the present tense. Like you you have footage from the premiere of the

show in the in the final episode. I feel like it also like captures a lot of what was going on like during that era, some of the stuff we've already talked about on the show, like that confirmation bias, Internet rabbit hole, and like even the specificity of like his cause becoming sex trafficking in the same way that like a lot of the like Mega people like turned to human trafficking as as their cause. But yeah, how

did that all come together? I mean it was really just me interviewing him and filming him and observing what was real. I was really just kind of luck that this stuff, as we were making it started coinciding so much with what was going on. But you know, I was there's a clip in there when he's talking about taking down this sex trafficking ring that he thinks he's going to take down that he says like it's the calm before the storm, And that was in that was

before Trump that was way more. It was like, so all these things that I was interested in, and I've always been interested in conspiracy minded people, but it really did become so relevant in the years that we were making it, and I thought it was just fortunate that, you know, in Paul's story, ultimately no one has hurt,

no lives were really ruined. There's not like there there's some dark behavior on on on the part of different people, including Paul, but but it's not like such a bummer that you couldn't also include the funnier parts of it. So I thought it was a good a good opportunity to balance things that I thought were funny and also kind of shocking or sad or you know, just fascinating.

But to do this story about this kind of yeah, that includes this conspiracy world and this stuff is very that became very common, but in a way that like no one was really hurt. I think it was good. He's kind of you know, I think, you know, in a lot of ways, he's much more harmless than than a lot of the people in this world. For sure. No, I mean, like his his biggest flaw is that he's like a born mark, you know, like he's so trusting and it's so like constantly pivots to the positive. This

is really interesting. When I was like, man, this I've never I It's like like Jack saying, like, it's not often I've seen someone like this, and I'm like, Wow, this guy seems very authentically like living just his life in this very unique way. But it's causing a lot of issues because he's trusting and he has a little bit of he's like semi informed on things. But then there's like psychics that are taking advantage of that, and it just all comes together and you're like, oh, Ship

was the psychic is wild character? Yeah, yeah, she's a human too, and I you know, I liked her a lot. We visited her. That footage was shot in twenty seventeen where we went to her ranch and you know, in the editing of it, we listened to hours and hours of tapes that Paul had made of their readings, and that was when this picture emerged that I felt like we had to include in the show of like her kind of role in all of this and just like spinning him out on stuff that you know, buying large.

I don't think was was accurate that she was saying, yeah, yeah, she was. She's a very interesting person because I feel like how she was scamming him was very interesting in the sense that she actually seemed to care about him. I think she does care about it. Yeah, I mean that's yeah, like she was, you know, obviously she wasn't happy with how she's portrayed in the last episode. I mean, it's all just clips of her though it's not me

saying anything. It's just me putting clips together that I think paint a picture of my opinion of of her behavior. But she does care about Paul, and she was, you know, her defense his wife helped a lot of people those lives. I think she did. Like like in the show, when she's introduced in the third episode, Paul talks about he contacted her at first she's a pet psychic who also

does human psychic work. But and he contacted her when he lost the dog and she she didn't help him find the dog, but she's like, the dog is fine, gotten to like a young woman's car, and she's taking care of him, and so yeah, you can look at it's like, yeah, she provided comfort for him, and and I think that's a lot of what she does. You know. So my question was, at what point do these predictions that become harmful or become like actually reckless and dangerous,

right right? That. I mean, it's so interesting because it is all these real people, and I'm like fascinated because I do at the end, like I'm fully on Paul's side, like I want Paul to succeed. I want Paul to be right, like I wanted all to be real at all, to like make sense, because I just want him to have some vindication because of everything that he goes through in his life. Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know, it's a very complex thing. And everyone's watching that last

last episode and responding in different ways. And some people who have decided at one point in the show that they just hate him or can't you know, can't be on his side camp empathize with that anymore for whatever reason, stay there. And then some people see all this is a person and he has made mistakes, and I mean it's nice that he's grown. You see him absorbing new information by the end, But like, I like that people

are having all different responses. That was my favorite my favorites with like the pr person is like you kind of seem to have like an anti sex worker agenda, just like how you're talking. And then and then that one question that the Q and A when the person the audience asks about like mail order brides that and he it like stumped him. But you could see the gears working in this way. It's like, Oh, he's actually he's wrestling with this question in his mind, which is

so funny. There's like all these very interesting moments where in a in a world where you're so seeing like narcissistic people who will never appear wrong on camera do whatever they can to like whatever it takes to not appear wrong. It was just really interesting to see somebody who was so open to hearing something new and really sitting with that and also like processing it within his

own life. And I think the repetition of those moments, I think it was really disarming, at least for me to watch and like kind of opened up myself to me like, wow, this is a really this is a good example of how we should operate, albeit at a very like hyperbolic extreme example of someone's like life. But there was like I was learning on some level, Yeah,

that's cool, that's great. I mean, it's right, it's it's not easy to absorb information that changes what what you thought is reality for years and years, and like to watch him do that being that room was it was very moving. I thought, Yeah, I mean that's the key difference between you know. But by the way, the fact that he said this is the calm before the storm, Paul probably is que. I think probably it's he has

very outdated like he has. He has outdated a lot of views about relationships, about women, a lot of stuff that's you know, very much not in tune with with our daily with our our modern day world. And as far as I know, he has not gone down that

rabbit hole. He was not a Trump supporter, like I think, yeah, he's like he's a complex guy, and I think the difference between him and Trump support is that like he took in the new information and changed changed with like on the spot was like, oh so I should probably apologize with with some prompting from you. But that that was wild to see how quickly he he changed, and then watching the episode with like that must have been nerve wracking. But he watched the first episode with him

and then like have a conversation. We watched the first three actually the first half half the series with him, and then I showed him some clips from the finale because I wanted him to really have a sense of the show was going to be and to see how he reacted to that. And I thought, I thought that response was was pretty powerful as well. And I never really expected I didn't know how he'd respond. I didn't know if he'd like punch me in the face or or what. So it was really I mean, I got

weirdly emotional. I didn't expect that either, and that's the last thing I would ever want is for myself to be emotional on camera. But it happened. So it's like we're trying to do something honest, so you know it's gonna go in there. I mean, I fully like when I was watching that scene, I left my body because I was like, what is about to happen? But I will say like his love for you is very apparent, Like when he wanted you to play you like it

was just pushing and pushing. I was like, he just wants to play with Jason, like that's all he wants, Like he wants to do it with you, and you

were like I can't, I can't. I can't. But I was like, it's so clear that, like, while you know, you are showing every aspect of everything going on, like that doesn't necessarily always put Paul in the best I like, I had a feeling like he's not gonna hate you over this, because he actually really enjoys you, Like you guys have this this bond that's been created is very apparent,

like he wants to work with you. And I thought that was Like at the end when you guys were talking, I was like, God, it's so it's nice for this not to end on like a really you know, fucked up note. It ended very like pure and I really enjoyed that, and I thought it was like a great

little like bo thanks. Yeah, I was hoping. I mean I really was just following what was happening in reality, and I didn't know exactly, you know, I knew what we wanted to put in the last episode in terms of his spinoffs, in terms of like confronting him with the truth that we were able to find, but that that last ten minutes, I didn't know how that was going to go. I didn't know how he'd react to see the show. I didn't know, Yeah, any of that stuff,

so uh, it was it was nice. And also that kind of speech where he gives at the end that was that was swords of the very end too, and that that kind of re contextualizing about how this look he failed in real life, but this want of being this thing and making this show and giving his life meaning. You know, whether you can read that any way you want.

You can read that with some distance and say, oh, he's just kind of trying to reshape the story so that he can, you know, function again, or you can say, oh, this this actually did give his life meaning in a way that he wasn't able to get from this pursuit of justice that he was after or whatever. But no, it all kind of came together at the very end.

I mean, both in this show and in Borat, like there is a ability to respond quickly to like things that are completely unforeseen or unforeseeable and like just a faith that it's going to be like make good content, Like how how do you think about the things like that?

Like that having this whole show that hinges on this conversation that was you know, had to have been filmed, like by its very nature had to have been filmed long after or most of the show was created, Like yeah, are you like, do you just have this sort of faith that whatever it is, it's going to be like honest, or how do you think about that as as an artist? Are you referenced and you're referencing the pandemic breaking out

during them and then the pandemic breaking out? Yeah? No, I mean that I probably did pick up a lot of that from working with Sasha, Like it's just this, it's just this attitude you have to be open to pivot when new information presents itself. And like that movie we were, you know, they had a great outline for

that movie. We were constantly rewriting, had to kind of changing everything constantly, constantly, constantly, And it's just I think it's this element of risk that can make a thing feel accurately alive and like maybe things could have gone wrong maybe. Yeah. Boro, we were like shooting with those guys that you live with, Jim and Jerry, and we knew we wanted to go to this gun rally the next day. I mean, all that stuff you only had one shot at. It could have been a disaster, it

could have fallen apart. And then the two days later we were shooting with Rudy Giuliani, and if we if nothing interesting happened, there would have been like, well, we don't have an ending of the whole movie now. But I've been very lucky on these kind of high wire acts the last couple of years that it's worked out. But I don't you know, it doesn't always work out.

But but if you get a good group of people working with you, and I had a really great team on this who you know, producers who were I never knew how much money we were spending, and I would just be like, Okay, we gotta go do that, we gotta go back to Florida, Okay, let's go find this guy, and would just figure out how to make this stuff happen. And then editors on this were incredible of like, okay, we have hundreds of hours of footage, how do we look at this and put it together in a way

that makes sense as a story. But it was this whole just like energy. If you just get everyone on board, it's like, one way or another, we're gonna figure this out. And look and if it all of fall apart, if Paul was like he watched the episode and he was just like you screwed me, You ruined my life. I would have had to deal with that. I would have had to put that him. You know, like a lot

of it is like instincts. It's just like being in touch with your instincts and following like a hunch of like I feel like this is the direction to go, and I feel like this is gonna work or get us something interesting, and then it's luck. Really but I

was lucky on the on this one for sure. Yeah. Absolutely, What was what was like the hardest thing, like, like I guess emotionally for you in making this because like like you said, you're watching him and his life unfold while also kind of, you know, navigating your own responsibility to him and obviously responsibility to yourself as a creator.

Like was there like were there ever any moments where you're kind of at odds with that or you always kind of you kind of always had this vision and felt like it was going to just kind of move

in the same way. I mean, yeah, there was always a conflict, and you seen in the show on like they're these scenes that you know, I would read them years ago, like scenes that he wrote and think they were very interesting or funny or weird and worth shooting, and then we'd be on set where he's like telling an actress to like do something you know, did see or whatever and ever like, yeah, that stuff was hard, but I knew That's why I was like, well, this

will be an uncomfortable, interesting scene to shoot, So I knew that going in, but still doing it was like

really hard to get through. But then it was you know, the hardest thing was probably that four hours of sitting in his kitchen at the end, which makes up about like a third of the last episode, where I'm just showing him stuff and you see he keeps closing a laptop, he keeps like it's hard, he's denying it, and I'm having to present him with stuff like the letter you know, to her parents or you know, things that I was like,

all right, this is not gonna be easier. We're gonna talk about we're gonna talk through everything, and we're gonna you know, cover our basis. And I tried to tell him, look, this is to protect you, Like, if this becomes a thing that people watch, I can't hide stuff that you did because every there's reddit, everything will come out like and so like I can't like for my sake, hide things that I know to have happened to protect you, because that will make me look worse and you look worse.

Like we have to do this responsibly and honestly, we have to cover all sides of this, like in the time that we have. But yeah, that was you know, that stuff wasn't easy because we have a weird relationship. It's not just like a documentary filmmaker and sub I would be doing this for ten years and it is like a very unique kind of friendship. But at the same time, I knew my responsibility was to the truth and reality, and so you know, I knew part of

that would involve putting him in uncomfortable moments. Yeah, yeah, And how did you sort of approach interacting with him because there were moments where you can tell where you're a little kind of like oh boy, and like, so how did you sort of like keep your composure and like continue to work with him and not get sort of burnt out from his energy? Really, I think I'm just I mean, he is very likable in real life.

Everyone else set loved him. He's very I mean, he's like he's exactly as he comes across, but he's just like this kind of like upbeat, very likable, goofball And I don't know, I have a weird knack for um, I'm pretty good with people who have like kind of extreme personalities. And I don't know where it comes from.

But but if you look like the history of people I've I've gravitated towards working with generally are are are out there or in some way in some way or just very forceful or driven or I think I just I have a good vibe with people who are these very big presences, and I'm very kind of attuned to working with with people like that. So yeah, no, I never I mean, yeah, it's you know, like it's in

the show. It's like I there's a montage at the end of the fifth episode where you see like, yeah, times I'm like exasperate and exhausted, but then other times we're laughing together and it's it's like a family member or something. It's just like, yeah, this person we drive each other crazy sometimes, but I think we also do like each other. And you know, you just you navigate that.

Do you think people can take things from your that final you know, conversation that happens in his kitchen for when they are trying to deprogram their Fox News brand. Parents like have be like its gonna come out, guys, Well that's it. Like the camera, the camera provides such a imbalance of power, and I tried to like do that in the kitchen scene. You could like the way

I framed them behind the scenes shot. You see I'm still hiding behind the camera, and it's like, what I hold all the camera all the power in that situation where it's like you're on camera, you're under the gun. I'm gonna show you stuff. You can lie right now if you want. But I had all the power in that situation. It's like, yeah, people can't do that with their parents. That's why these conversations are so impossible and hard is because in an actual conversation, there is there

isn't that in balance. There isn't one person who's like I'm the I'm the questionnaire and you and you have to be responsible for what you say and a lot of people are gonna see to see you better be you better be careful. You know, That's why you it's so hard to get with, to make progress with someone in real life, a loved one who's who's dug into this stuff because all of our instincts are just to

dig further in and become defensive. And uh, it's extremely I have, you know, issues like that in my own family. I think everyone does, and it's like, yeah, you you cat. You can have people you love of who who are on a path. And you know, there's so much on

social media or YouTube algorithms. I'll watch one, you know, Jordan Peterson video because someone sends it to me to like laugh at him, and then all my suggestions are just Ben Shapiro and like, you know, all this ship and it's like, oh, I see how people if you're not looking at that critically, you just zoom down that rabbit hole. And then suddenly it feels like, oh, the whole world is telling me that they're out to get me.

And then you have what we're talking about before that, like Fox News, you know, nonsense kind of manufactured outrage against all this stuff that it's very hard to pull people out of the force of the force of the internet is is extremely powerful. So I don't know, I think what I think. Actually, I was lucky with Paul because he's not an inherently angry person. He's not spending all day on YouTube and on social media, just getting

indoctrinated and reindoctrinated with this stuff. He's just kind of his only concerned with his own story. That's that's what's unique about him is he's not someone like most people fixated on where the world is going. He's just concerned about kind of being vindicated in his own life and feeling like he has value and worth. And that's I think, in large part, what what this whole quest was about.

And so I don't think he's sitting there watching this kind of stuff that just you know, sucks you into this world of anger and resentment and uh, you know this victimized feeling. I will say, I do think no, no, no, I never gave me that energy. Yeah. Like he's always very like into his own situation where he was being intimate. It was funny, he was like, yeah, this this is weird for everyone. I love his commentary on everything was great. And also like, I feel like he can run an

incredible marketing agency because the way he marked himself. His Google docs filled with tweets like I was like, this is actually he has something here, he built something here, he could be I was depressed. I was like, oh, I should have Google docs tweet when I'm promoting stuff. Like I was like, this is actually quite genius and

he knows how to rework the system. Was like, can't you even misspell a few things then they don't think you're you know, Like I was like, Wow, he's actually good because he got you to make this show, Jason, Like I was like, you can't hate Paul because he actually knows what he's doing and he could really, I don't know, build from here, because I was quite impressed. Yeah, I mean at the end of this, get this made through force of will, Like he just pushed and pushed

forever and got it made. He did, I think, eventually get kicked off of Twitter and had to reactivate his account because if you see in the show, he has

like a hundred and something thousand followers. Now he's got like eight hundred followers because actually, someone I read there was like some sweep that you Twitter did in like Steen where they wiped out accounts that we're doing just what Paul was doing, which he was basically like being a human bot essentially, and so that got that account got knocked out because people see his Twitter now and wonder why he's got so many fewer followers. I think

that's what happened. Yeah. I also was kind of like, is he buying followers? How is this moving so quickly? How he was following? He was definitely, I mean, I do think he was following a thousand people a day, but I think he was buying followers as well. Yeah, because it was like a hundred something thousand and he wasn't. I mean, but that was smart because I met him when when he first create me and I looked at the Twitter, I said a hundred like, oh, maybe this

guy does have a movement behind him. Maybe this is the thing I don't know about. It worked until I met him. Until I met him and he was so honest about his press, and I was like, oh no, this is all a facade in the interest of getting this thing made. Well, I feel like we could talk talk to you about this for hours. Quest is a good word for it. It's really it's a quest. Yeah, it goes beyond TV show. It's really just like a yeah,

a quest. Yeah, great, great piece of art. So yeah, everyone needs to go watch Paul T. Goldman on Peacock. All six episodes are out, now go stop this for right now. But also and also if you have MAGA parents, maybe try what Jason did. Just put him in front of a cam quarter and see if that helps the questions. Do all the research ahead of time, all all the all their key like points that they like it. You know,

it's easier. I say, it's easier when you have like a video of like a really nice guy explaining everything he was doing it as missionary orice rock. Oh come on now, but yeah, thank you so much for for doing it. Jason. Where can people find you? Follow you? I guess we already told him where they can watch? Ye just go on Peak. I can watch it. I mean I'm on Twitter to temporarily just to promote the show because there wasn't much of a marketing campaign. But yeah,

I don't really post online. I just learn right, make cool T shirts sometimes, Yeah, we will take three T shirts. Govs sure you don't want the fastest you can slam the mana shirts. Paul Pault Goldman dot com. He's running a red bubble store. It's on eighties, seven different products. You can get a nice you can get a queen size comforter. With that, all your pult Goldman needs Paul Goldman dot com. Okay, he's on, he's on. He's on cameo as well. If you've got a message for a

loved one, that's a great cameo. Actually, he would be an amazing Yeah, he's got five five stars right now and he says you get the other day he said he's done the eighteen of them, and uh, I watched one of them. He was like a guy wishing happy birthday to his wife and he was like, thank you for not stealing my assets. Hes good stuff. You know he's going to give it us all, all right, amazing, thank you Jason. Thanks guys. Wait, okay, you can get a slam the man as fast as you can shower

curtain and scarf. It's like I am just all written out on one line. Yeah, like mouse pads. Hey, guess what you guys, this is what you're all getting for Christmas? Alright, we love. We had to cut Jason loose. Uh he had to run. But what what an asshole? Right? I think we can all agree he scammed us. Yeah. I mean actually, after all that, now I'm sort of thinking Paul scam Jason. Yeah. But tremendous booking from super Producer that was so fun. Yeah? Yeah, Anna, Where can people

find you? Follow you? And is there a work of media social or otherwise that you've been enjoying? Ah? Yeah, you can follow me at Anna host n A on Twitter and then at Selling host n on Instagram. I have a substack if you'd like to subscribe dot substance dot com. So can I do some promotion of live shows I am doing? I am doing two live shows this weekend at s F Sketch Fest. I'll be in

San Francisco. I will be doing Matt Leeb and Vince Mancini's podcast Pod Yourself a Gun on Saturday at one January at ten pm at Piano Fight in San Francisco. Get your tickets now go just go to s F Sketch Fest website type Pod Yourself a Gun you can find it. And then on Sunday, January twenty nine at four pm at the Gateway Theater, we are doing it live.

Will you accept this Rose podcast with Arden Marine, Doug Benson's gonna be on it, Paget Brewster, Mike Carosa, Oh, Marylynn, Rice cub is gonna be on it, and Michael Hitchcock. If you guys a Michael at Hitchcock hilarious act if you I'm sure you guys know who guys if you saw him, But yeah, you can get tickets for that still available. So yeah, come see us at SF sketch Us would be so fun to see you guys, to see you guys, see us guys and see have us see you seeing us seeing you, and so that would

be like really great. And a what is it called tweet or something that I've been joining the media meet? Okay, here we go. All right, here's something I thought was funny from Nick Newman at Nick Underscore Newman. Lydia Tar belittled a pan gender BIPOC student. She groomed young women, one of them committed suicide this morning. She got multiple Oscar nominations. Please tell me again how cancel culture is real? Which I was like, Jesus, have you guys seen Tar?

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it's true, like everyone praises Lydia Tar. Yeah, I'm just her behavior is deplorable, out of control, out of pocket even that was the thing I saw someone on Twitter being like, what is out of pocket mean to you? Okay, that's really funny because I got an email where someone was telling me they were unavailable of unavailable, and they said they were out of pocket, and I spent like twenty minutes being like what yeah, yea. So those are two different, distinct,

unrelated meanings. Out of pocket being like I'm out of them that I work in. I guess essentially I always thought it meant like I'm working what I'm working out off my phone, like out of my pocket, But I think it just means I'm not in, I'm not at I won't be at work, but there. Yeah, then there's also obviously you know, what are your out of pocket expenses? Look, it's a very pliable phrase, you know, that's right, Miles.

Where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well, you can find me in the pocket because I'm all about the rhythm section on basse and drums at Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. And also I have a TikTok, but I haven't made anything something. I mean shout out to people follow me there, but I probably won't post anything quite yet until I get all my wigs and stuff in order. Um let's see, you can all will find Jack and on our Podcastles and Jackot,

Matt Boost you's got a new episode. Uh, and also for fiance some tweets that are like just this one. It's from at Mica Micah Underscore Earth and created fun fact. The divorce rate is the lowest it's been in forty years, And when you look at it on a chart, you're like, oh, ship, look at look at America doing its thing, just having a lower thing. And then people will be saying like, is it because people aren't getting married as much? And this person saying that it's not taking into account the

marriage rate. It's independent of that. It's just this is this is where we're at. Probably because enough of us have seen some weird ass marriages that we're starting to make better decisions. But that's just mine. That's so divorce is down. Yeah, I think it's because, well, we all just went to the pandemic. We don't want to be alone, so you're just like sort of settling. I don't know, maybe it's a dark side to everything it's been. Well, here's the thing. It's been on a downward trend since

even before the O eight recession. Yeah, not enough people's wives are meeting Frank Hello, you know, Paul Goldman reference. Go watch the goddamn show because it's and I would love him too if I met Frank Grilla. Yeah yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Brian

and I've enjoyed a couple tweets. Someone at Future Cannon tweeted exactly one year ago and that was on January, and they tweeted Harris Hilton's appearance on the Jimmy Fallon podcast where she introduced everyone to her ape to her n f T and that is a moment that will go down in history, and I'm glad that we're recognizing it's one year anniversary. And then Sandra Bolo three days ago tweeted, I got so scared filming Gravity. I thought that was a cool, cool sentiment. Let's get my father

in law hates that movie. And then Tessa at Tessa Pisa tweeted prepping my dad to meet my non barinary friend and I cannot breathe it his response, and it's just this text exchange. Also, don't forget Naomi is not a girl. There nine non binary, and if it's easier, they would probably prefer you accidentally call them a boy than a girl. L O L. And then The dad's response was, Okay, can I just call them? Hey buddy? Yeah, some real bad ship. Can I Can I just call them?

Hey buddy? I can I just tell you? I had to tell my I had a not I have a non binary friend, and I told my dad. They Then my dad goes, okay them, and I'm like, well, okay, just just call them literally them. I am saying them, and I'm like, you can say they as well. And he kept saying them and I was like, oh my god, you are just why is that mad at me? Well? Yeah, he could figure it out. And I was like, I know you're trying. But the parents, dude, that's like the

final frontier for both is the pronouns thing. Yeah, you know they try even if they're like them. Trust. Yeah, there are people in my family. I'm not gonna I mean, there's I've seen people my family struggle, like in a in a good faith way to be like I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm in them. I'm sorry, it's I'm really trying, and I'm like, you're getting panicked in the weirdest way about it, and they just walk off, muttering and walk into traffic. All right, Well, you can

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