Caught Out There, Hawk Tua’s Predictable Ending 12.10.24

I'm a little tired today, so I might be doing some of this even if totally not a clanker.

Totally fair, I'm also very tired. I woke up at three in the morning with the worst headache I've ever had too.

Oh wow, yoh yeah, you woke up at three? Also?

Yeah, those commercials connected?

Did you watch the fuck? What was the What's the Paranormal podcast?

Dude? Who you had on? Oh? Jack? Also Other World?

Other World? It's like, dude, you're like those those two women in the Other World thing who were connected by the aliens.

Oh always said that.

Did you feel like I might be connected?

No?

I still don't listen to it. It's fucking holding up for Christmas. I also feel like I might be connected to the shooter in some ways across time. I'm just saying, like, like in a romantic way, Yeah, I think.

I think. I think we're star cross lovers. You're in the lake House relationship? Yeah, yeah, like I was.

I was at the hotel a month before him, and then the day before he gets caught. I wake up at three in the morning with like fucking anxiety and panic.

I'm like they're closing in.

And wondering from McDonald's. Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, I buy it. Yeah, there's something there, you know what I'll about it.

I woke up with harp palpitations at three in the morning to the smell of egg mcmuffins.

I didn't know what the was happening.

Yeah, my Ted Kazinski book was smoking.

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This is not the episode. This is the episode that's being recorded. On a very interesting day on the Internet. They've just identified the CEO shooter, the CEO assassin, alleged a person of interest, and the reason they find him so interesting in this case the gun this crime was committed with four days later, and those signature eyebrows and those brows.

Then you know you couldn't pluck your brows at all, homie like those like that?

Is that has to be the first Anyways, It's Tuesday, December.

Tenth, twenty twenty four.

Yeah, twelve, yeah, two four in infamy Yeah yeah, no, no, truly, truly, I'm trying.

To see, is there any Oh it's I just want to say. It is Bobby Flay's birthday today, so shout out the chef. Also, rest in peace, Michael Clark Duncan. It is also your birthday as well. It's also National Lagger Day, and it's only two holidays, National Logger Day, and another one I can really get behind. It's Duly

I feel like that was the baseball card collecting of academia, like a thing that we were told was like the wave of the future, and we were gonna need this, you're gonna want to have You're gonna want to have a lot of knowledge in this world, and then it just completely went away.

I had it was only three days.

By the way, it's a alex was right. December seventh is the day that we'll live on an implement.

Oh you though, oh Pearl Harbor. Oh I thought Pearl Harbor. I only knew because of mad Men, which is too Yeah. Yeah, that's hard.

We're saying that because they caught Luigi.

Yeah yeah, yeah, this is, this is and that's what I meant. Actually not, I wasn't being stupid and wrong about history.

It's what I meant about the Pearl Harbor attack.

I'm just saying twelve ten like has kind of more of a ring to it.

People, historians. I'm just saying, maybe maybe think about it.

I'm just saying, hero Hito, you could have maybe planned it a little bit better for the fucking market for the SEO.

Well seven is so random, Oh my god, so random.

But you know, I'm just thinking back when the card catalog shit was around. I had a habit of stealing all the little pencils that they would keep in libraries, because you know, this was like a pre digital everything, Like, you know, they'd be scrapped for you to write down like where the ship wasn't I always I always took like a couple of those little pencils. I don't know why I never did anything with them, but they were there for me to take, so I took miles.

I always took the little pieces of scrap paper. We were destined together together. One we're also connected, me and the I don't know if that's making them the cold open, but Alex I was pitching that I'm connected in some way to the shooter because I was. I was at the hotel where it went down a month before it went down.

Then let's not let's not too month, let's accurate hay geography already.

Days certain, it was a number of days.

And then last night woke.

Up three in the morning panicked, no no reason why.

I turned to my wife. I said, they're closing in, babe, I need an egg McMuffin.

You walk up and said, al tuna.

And I also have big, thick eyebrows too. Yeah. I was gonna say, when you were talking about eyebrows, I was like, you, you've got a luscious set.

I was in no way talking about eyebrows. I love big and you just got nice big eyebrows too. I'm saying, if I were to commit that crime, I will immediately go full of sugar ray.

On my eyebrows.

I would get, I would go like early two thousands, you know, Britney spears.

Absolutely, I realized he's Italian, obviously Italian American, but I you know, it was where the nineties. If this were the nineties, Peter Gallagher would have to play this guy. Yeah, yeah, right for sure, icon on the eyebrow a right now right Irish? But he played uh he played the dad in the the Jewish aad in the oc with as a man with three Irish names. So yeah, we can start correcting that issue until like seven minutes ago.

All right, Uh, my name is Jack O'Brien aka, and this is to be sung to the tune of the gay anthem ymca.

A mail andsis sent straight.

This song ain't gay, so male since straight, this song ain't gay. If you ever believe this not gay song was gay, just ask my wife and she will say I'm male and sis sin straight and and so forth and so on. Courtesy of no clue on the discord in reference from to the guy from the village people being like, I'm gonna sue anybody who says that song who acknowledges that song is a gay anthem at any point.

No, remember, my wife will sue you.

My wife will sue you.

Yeah, she's a high powered attorney in Canada. Yeah, it's very strange. Although we aren't we in a bit of a like period where we're like a free for all. He was like, starting January first, I'll start suing.

Yeah yeah, yeah, January January five, to get it in, get it out.

Of your system, assholes.

Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host mister Miles.

Great Miles Great, ak D nine defand and depost fuck all health Carsie e ese.

Okay. Shout out to the frequent news ghost for that one little chapel roan with our Luigi Mangioni this morning. Is that it's interesting to see just the ebb and flow of the Internet, be like, ah, this guy was reading at wants to read iin rand and then like his six pack. Though everyone doesn't know where to land.

This is we don't know what to do. This is America.

I'm just finding out he was Italian. I thought, I thought, Luigi, what now I know? Anyways, Uh yeah, I mean it was the very first thing we said about the story is a lot of people can be disappointed the way the energy you guys are bringing to this assassin. A lot of people are gonna be very disappointed. In my experience with assassins, they're not always the intellectually, ideologically rigorous.

And sound individuals that they.

Weren't posting thirst straps though they weren't posting the difference.

Yeah, I don't know. Some of them were.

Le Oswald could get it, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented ze maker and podcast host, one of the hosts of You Are Good, a feelings podcast about movies.

It's Alex. Hello, it's a pleasure to be back. Thanks for having.

Me this very momentous day on the internet, big Internet day.

How are you doing otherwise? I'm doing okay. I'm I'm so excited to be here. You mentioned, uh, you are Good, my feelings podcast about movies. I just launched a new show called The O C Again, which is why I know about Peter Gallagher's what you Got Gals on the Brain. That's why I got Gals in the Brain. He uh Yeah, We're the OC Again, which is a rewatch show with that I launched with my friend Nicostratus. Okay, that's funny. You're taking it from one up to however whatever the last episode.

Yeah, we have episode backwards style.

We talk about the like Nico is a is a music critic, and so we talk about the show maybe twenty percent of the time, and we're largely just talking about two thousand and three through two thousand and seven. So yeah, you remember, you know, cal it's right, best song on the planet planet on the Phantom Planet, exactly. Yes, And then one other. I'm so sorry to plug so fast, but I get Also, I have a small record label called Hi a Culture, and we just released our first

If I had those two things to plug, I wouldn't have even made it this long. I would have interrupted me while I was introducing the show.

I've been waiting forty one years to release a record on the label, So I'm I appreciate my discipline here. So yeah, thank you, well done.

Awesome, Well, Alex, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a few of the things that we're talking about today. The CEO assassin hunt is still ongoing. Okay, there is just a person who's very interesting to the police for very good reasons, who has been apprehended. The Internet has immediately been all over his.

Digital The second, the second wave of memes is even it's wild. Every every every sort of bit of information launched, a whole fucking barrage of memes. And then the now that now that we know his name, the memes now or even an escalation on previous things.

I imagine his name is a gift to I was gonna say, I can't imagine fully respectful of Italian American heritage, although Erich heritage of assassinating political leaders they do. Time really is a flat circle. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk about the Hawk toua rug pool alleged again. God, I gotta get used to this.

We're we're reporters here, Yeah, hawk Tua. Uh the Hawk to a girl who has talked to the podcast. Uh just launch yeah, yeah, no, feel free to laugh. Just launched a crypto coin that was trading at a shockingly high value for like twenty minutes and then it cratered and people are like, wait a second.

Here, money, I trusted you Hawk.

It does require a strange like philosophical conversation of like differentiating between like is this an illegal scam versus like, I guess a non illegal scam, because they're they're all pretty stupid, right, all of the cryptos jay Z responding to sexual assault allegations in the character of Scrooge McDuck. For some reason, his statement is very weird. All that plenty more. But first, Alex, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?

Hmm, what is something for my search history? I wrote this down and then obviously immediately forgot it. Oh, I saw. I looked up what happened to Bob Matthews's children. So Bob Matthews was the leader of the Order, and there's a movie out called The Order right now. He's a white supremacist who is a taken down in a manhunt. And so I was like, oh, where I watched the whole movie? In my takeaway is where's this guy's kids?

Yeah, apparently they have good access to uh, you know, scrubbers, data scrubbers.

If you're listening Bob Matthews kids, I want to know how you're doing.

Right, reach out, reach out, Yeah, come on, don't be an asshole, let yourself be googlable.

We want to know.

I do remember there was a white supremacist whose kid who was like whose kid was like very big on the podcast circuit in the early days of the Trump administration because they were like, yeah, this stuff is really bad and it's like very developed and people.

I think you're referring to the son of the son of the person who started storm Front, Yeah, who who very grimly he was on the speaking relationship with his father and very grimly when Trump was elected, his father was like everything we tried and were failed to do was happening by way of this man, and I was like, so, anyway, check out the order if in the theater. I have no skin in the game, but it was compelling enough for me to google stuff about it. Off.

Yeah, like, how are those kids doing?

How are those children? The children?

What's something you think is underrated?

Oh gosh, underrated? Outside time? I know we talk about touching grass. I think we're all in Los Angeles. I'm I'm from Maine originally, so when friends send pictures of what's going on there, I see that it's the time of year that being outside is extremely difficult, and it makes me so grateful to be in southern California. But getting outside any minute of the day to break up sort of monotony and breathe in air generally is my my very favorite. I think people should do more of it.

Yeah, yeah, wait, how as somebody who grew up in southern California, and whenever I'm like, ah, it's hard to be outside, it's because it's like of like one hundred and nine degrees. Yeah, what's it like in Maine right now? What are we talking?

Oh gosh? In Maine. It's like gray and like maybe like twenty five degrees right now, I mean some days, Oh you need to like animal skins.

Yeah, okay, okay, okay, I'll try that. I'll try that.

I do. I do have the moments in the summers here where I'm like this is a little bit too much, but it is nice too. I spend an average, a much higher average outside here than I ever did in northern New England.

Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of commands to go out and touch grass. Our guests on Friday's episode were the hosts of a podcast Touch Grass. Yeh, it's it's we really could. I mean, I know that it's it's ghost to sort of be a nostalgist, but I do lament. I do miss the time where you could just turn the internet off like you had.

To, you mean, when it wasn't there.

Or you had to like turn it on. It was like a three minute process and think about it. Mom, are you on the phone? Okay, well, I want to go on America Online explain the phone bill?

Yeah? Fuck? Or yeah, twenty minutes you're gonna be on. Oh I'm gonna fucking miss the flame war.

In the chat root exactly exactly a better time.

Yeah.

I put up a sick ai am away message though, so I should be absolutely what is something you.

Think is overrated weed? I smoke. I ingest weed like as a person, as a recreational person. I And again I know that this is a ghost old person thing to complain about, but I do I do sometimes miss uh the process of you know, know, if the weed's gonna be good or bad, you just get it from a guy or a friend and you don't have to go to a like an apple like store. What weed has become modern weed is sad.

Yeah, yeah, it's like it's exactly too. When all like the hippie like grower type people I knew were saying when like first like legalization hit Oregon, They're like, it's over, man, it's over. You're gonna have all this fucking mickey mouse fucking weed where no one gives a fuck about the art the act of growing it, and it's gonna be mass produced. It's gonna be bullshit. They're gonna and then yeah,

Is the weed not?

Is the weed not goods in the stores?

I mean, it's just there's also like it's an opi at this point, there is I agree, like sort of the knowing what you're going to get unless you're like a brand adherent and have done it for like many times whatever, like it's hard to have any prediction. But it's also and again this is such an old man complaint and I'm sorry, but I miss it being silly. And now it feels like an opioid. Like now sometimes it will take I'll take an edible and be like all done, like it's all over.

Nobody better talk to me exactly. I can't trust decisions. Yes, yeah, is it like it? So it's a lot a lot of information to keep tracking?

Is it kind of like wine? But like, oh god, yeah, that's I've never been annoying. I've never even made that connection. But yes, And because again, like you know every difference you don't you know, like it's at some point you know which movie theater is going to carry pepsi versus whats which is going.

To carry coke? You know, like you know, like different the things that you like right different places. I find that impossible with like weed and weed strains at all of these stores because there's no consistency of like what is carried where, so it's often just a crap shoot. Like you're like, I hope for.

So many so many people go off like the thc percentage and like because it's high, that must mean it's good, and like it's not that those aren't all the ways.

It affects you. Remember when remember when that was happening with I PAS for a long time, and it was like this one will cripple you, and it's like this fourteen.

Fuck, like I don't know, water down some fucking isopropyl alcohol.

They just put a shot of vodka.

In a normal I p a, yes, yes, well but your your wife thinks you're drinking a beer.

The response to that in micro brut eventually was was coolshes and Pilsner's got really big because people wanted like a throwback, just like drinkable beer. And I hope that happens with weed, where it's just like a dirt bag bag.

There's like stuff called like dad weed. Now great, that's just like dude, this shit's just low but low budget. It's but again, the thing is, the fucking taxes are so off the wall that you're paying so much on top of it. And that's what I'm like. I remember when someone told you a thing that you were buying from them was fifty bucks, it was fifty bucks, not like well not with tax was seventy two whatever. Blah

Up shots of mezcal and I was like, is this legal. They're like nothing, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, welcome to Eric Adams is New York. But like in LA, there are places like, for example, you go and you buy like a fancy three point five gram eighth of like you know, dispensary weed. That shit's like forty bucks plus the taxes and things like that. The illegal shops are like they're like, we have ten gram quote unquote eighths for like thirty dollars. Now it's like the disparitium price couldn't be larger?

Why?

And I think that's pushing a lot of people. Like so now it's becoming like a class thing too, like you have to like being as it's always right the way.

Yeah.

First, but I'm saying like for this kind of weed purchase, like before you can go to someone's house and like, oh yeah, everybody goes this person. Now it's like, do you have eighty dollars to buy three joints?

Like no, it's wild, it's wild.

Ye.

I want to I obviously want to acknowledge. I'm glad we're in a situation where, like, you know, people don't risk legal life and women in order to buy read in most places like et cetera, et cetera. But right, yeah, you know who won largely white corporate tests. Yeah right, crazy one for them, you know, they get one, Yeah, they get the better. Watch out though, people, people.

It's cool because when you're buying wheat now you like run into your accountant, a guy that you're dad golfs with.

Yeah cool, alright.

The button up dispensaries, it is wild, Like there were people who walked in. I was like, is this my boss? They had such but like your manager that I'm not going here.

Yeah, we're Q one.

We're investing a lot in indiccause, uh we've seen a real growth boom on those Uh.

People love being melted, man, They love getting melted, especially with the Trump Trumpe inauguration coming.

You fuckers love getting melted, man, Yeah, you fuckers can't get enough of this.

Anyways, I'll be back here if you need a melt over here, let's make them very well.

Be right back.

This episode is brought to you by eBay. Whatever you love, find it on eBay. eBay things people love miles here in closet, just looking through your stuff.

This is a small closet. You made yourself small. I don't have a walk in.

Yeah.

I've been studying under the guy from Ocean's eleven.

Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, good call, good call.

Can I help you?

I was looking to see if you have any of your old tea's from like middle high school, back when cartoon characters wearing stuff they didn't normally wear.

Was like I caught it.

Oh yeah yeah, like the Taz and Bugs Bunny one where they got the backwards criss cross outfit on. Yes, you had to have that or you were not a child. You had to That's how they identified children.

Childs would go missing and they like would be able to find them because they're just wearing a regular shirt.

It's wearing the same shirt every kid is wearing.

I like the idea that the kid was wearing like still regular white tea and they became invisible.

They're like, we can't see him, where's there?

Crisscross tas and bugs tea.

What a strange mixture that just worked so perfectly. What was it about Taz and bugs seeing them in the criss cross outfits? Yeah, backwards clothes for those who don't remember backwards Jane.

Yin and Yang the other ones. I used to wear a lot of Bart Simpsons. I almost said Bart Simpsons, Bart Simpson t shirts obviously like.

My dad Colon brad Pit bread pits.

Yeah, Bart Simpsons. Yeah.

I did have a Bart Simpson's shirt. It was off brand. He was dunking wearing a Michael Jordan's jersey.

A Chicago Bull jersey bull on it. But yeah, those things are kind of they're out there. They're out there, you can get them all on eBay. I found the I Corumba Bart Simpson's surfing and get this, Miles. He's upside down but the words are right side up. No, yeah, so makes it helpful to read The Taz and Bugs shirt readily available. I think I need to regress. I

Oh Man, three bowls of cereal. I always get the cereal or oboros going.

It's just kind of messes me up that I'm saying something from thirty two years ago, like it's yesterday.

Yeah.

Yeah, So for our younger listeners, cartoon character T shirts was what we had instead of Nirvana T shirts because Nirvana hadn't come out yet exactly.

Because yeah, I mean, whether it's a Nirvana T shirt from yesteryear that they're making now, or you know, you're picking up merch from one of your favorite bands from now, like mine, Hiatus Coyote, you can all find that on eBay.

You can find it all.

I went to a concert, couldn't get the T shirt because the line was too long and then went and got the Vampire Weekend concert T shirt that I missed out on on eBay.

But guess what, we all got a thing we all got on eBay. Maybe it's fashion, car parts, trading cards, retro movie posters, anything you can collect. So go find the thing that keeps you up at night, whatever you love, find it on eBay, eBay things people love, and we're back.

We're And does uppear that the person who perpetrated the murder on the CEO of United Healthcare at five hundred hours, three days for four days? Hence, uh, that's my best cop speak. But what do you also mixed with the sheriff of Noddingham or something.

Four days? Hence we have hens four days.

The evildoer, I don't know, the person of interests who's interesting because he has the gun that the crime was committed with and the fake idea with the same name that the assassin used.

Well, they were in New.

York City, so everybody, it's the moment of truth. A lot of people were, you know, hoping that this person was going to come through with their exact politics and their exact justification for killing this person, and so just a frantic googling of like, what's he into? His name is Luigi, which is fun?

Got which can read it? Can I read? A tweet by the great labor journalist Kim Kelly, who said grappling with the implications of the adjuster turning out to be at Italian tech. Jim bro Rat, who went to Penn seems to have a pretty gnarly back back injury, retweets, anti woke nonsense, and is not read one but two books by Steve O. Yeah. I think a lot of people are grappling with that very thing America. Yeah.

So the one thing a lot of people are kind of gravitating around is that on his good Reads list he did read.

They made it privately, the good Reads list. Yeah, people scraped up the the good parts though, but yeah, yeah, it's it's it's kind of the funny part when like something like this goes public and then you're like, oh shit, it's still up, and then peoplere like, oh fuck, yeah, I did a lot of people.

He was retweeting like being like this and this is the best tweet that I've ever seen. Like those tweets were gone this morning. Whoever tweeted those originally, I don't know if they had already deleted them, but you know, if not, they were like, maybe this not a good look for me.

Yeah, and guard of that.

But yeah, radicalized by or you know, in agreement with Ted Kaczynski's manifesto.

Yes, industrial Society and its future.

That's right, and he he read that, wrote a very long manifesto in response, like in his review on good Reads, and then gave it a four out of five.

Which four out of five.

I love a solid B plus for a manifesto.

You know what, I trust that. I for a while, what's the what's the movie one? The movie good Reads letterbox? I was using that, and I would give every movie I saw a five. Yeah, knowing that some GIBBRONI was giving it a one for no reason, and I would give every movie a five to equalize it. But I like the honesty of four out of five because I bet, I bet that manifesto drags sometimes.

It is it seems that is a thing with him, Like he was also critical of Jordan Peterson for how like convoluted his languages, like if he needs to be more succinct.

I love that. I'm not a fan of the content, but I do love someone who can be critical if they're stupid.

The pros yeah, yeah, the pros of Peterson Joe Rogan's pros is leaves something to be desired.

But what do you what do you think? Do you guys? Have you talked yet about the conundrum of law the law enforcement moment right now? Because you have a folk hero. You know, you're damned if you don't catch them for obvious reasons. But you're damn. Now, what do you do with somebody that many people have celebrated for for doing something that sort of symbolizes what they feel like is the right thing. Got to put them an Arkham asylum. I think that's all right. I think that always works out.

Well, that's right, And I think it's woefully clear that the police they need, they need more resources. This took entirely too long for them to find him. That's my takeaway.

That's all I took for this is.

Yeah, first of all, our CEOs need to ramp up their security, probably incorporate AI powered guns, facial cognition guns, you know, like they can lock onto a target and just like using facial recognition technology and just vibes, they can figure out if they.

Need to say or not in a way like a cop could just put a gun straight up in the air, fire around off and that bullet using AI will find its way to the problem, would find its way down.

Yeah, it would like a gun in Roger Rabbit, Yes.

Exactly, yes, doing gravity's rainbow and then like land right right on top of the head of whoever had just had the anti corporate thought cross.

It's been fascinating watching people I was joking earlier about about Italian American history with assassinations, and obviously Saco and Vinzetti did not go after politicians. They were accused for shooting sort of like bankers and cards. But the the it's been and I know that that had negative implications to Italian Americans in the twenties. But it's been interesting watching people online be like.

Yeah, definition there's like another comedian, Ashley Reeves, who's black. She tweeted, texting every Italian American friend I have and saying not he, not him being one of y'all. It's just like again, every moment has created some other version of wacky internet commentary, whether it's you know, an examination

Don't go there.

The food sucks, the people will snitch, they said, don't go here if you're an American hero. It's again very I'm sure, very alarming times for the wealthiest of people, because I mean that was the other thing. So many of those insurance companies, they vaporized their fucking leadership pages where you could be like and here who are here is the c suite of this company, and a lot of people are just like throw and be like here here's how you use LinkedIn to find all of this.

Yeah, like if you can buy a silencer, yeah you can, you can google a CEO, yeah there, or you can yeah, you can look it up on LinkedIn the internet, the Internet.

His Twitter follows interesting though, too. It's like the notable ones RFK Junior, hell yeah, AOC, Joe Rogan, Yes, Steve O and Phil Jackson one of the greatest NBA, which.

Is a.

Leadership Yeah. I think Phil Jackson is kind of has like mass appeal, you know what I mean. Either way, it's like either you're just like really rigid about like leadership and success. You're like, I'm gonna I'm gonna drink from the well of Phil Jackson's wisdom, or you're just like, I don't know. Phil Jackson kind of seemed like a hippie and he was vibing with That's how he kind of got the best out of his teams, like from not being just understanding the human aspect of of of

One is that was not great?

Yeah, yeah, he was like, if Japan wants to get other demographic like there's here's the thing. He doesn't care a lot about the population and people not having kids. That's one thing.

Is it a specific kind of people he's worried about not having kids?

No, no, no, he pot yeah, but yeah it's probably like again it's you use the you use that to open the conversation and then be like, know, more white people should probably be having kids. But yeah, it's it's he he has a few thoughts on a like he said, you know, Japan is having a population contraction because there's too many flesh lights.

Yeah, the only points he said it's cultural.

His first point is like ban all the flesh lights. I'm like, you're describing inanimate objects, but you're saying this is a deeper cultural issue. Can you tell me, like whatever.

And the flesh lights? All right? I was on board until now. Yeah, that's I am a one issue voter. I was okay with being critical of Japanese culture generally. But once he said bamp the flesh lights.

First they came for the flesh lights, and I was immediate like, hell no, yeah, it stops here.

And that's why we live in a utopia. Because I didn't I didn't say nothing. I spoke there is I work.

I work in and around folks, and or in and around is such a weird way to put what I'm about to say. I work around and with folks and porn. And we just had a sort of a big fundraiser a couple of months ago for for sex workers in LA and uh Las, Vegas. And what was really fascinating, and especially to raise awareness about Project twenty twenty five.

I'm wondering, like, you know, like in terms of like preserving the status quo, they probably need to come out with like the grossest profile of this person to try and give America the ick to be like, oh, we don't like this guy. He's fucking gross and I know maybe you thought it was cool to do that, but he's freakingting.

No no, no, no, no, no.

Because yeah, I feel like there's already there are reports of other CEOs beginning to get threats and like the I'm sure the copycat thing is becoming a huge concern for for people.

So I can but as we covered like right away, where didn't the CEO who got killed, Like, wasn't he dealing with threats all the time?

I think the threats all the time? Yeah, like due to the nature of their work, that.

There was an infographic that we could look at often, I believe.

No, but let's put it this adage works. Hater's gonna hate, thank you.

Yeah, I am. I am curious to see what happens with with copycat related stuff only because like what this person did was was coordinated and seemingly very very well planned in a way that I don't know how easy. I mean very Unfortunately. The reason why you see somebody like lone wolf like attacks on public places or indiscriminate sort of shooting is it requires no planning. So I'm I I'm interested to see if anything actually comes up this with uh, with copycat folks.

Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's a wild time truth. And like what happens if once he has a platform, because he will be be able to give comments and things like that, like where that goes? Oh my gosh, Yeah, this is it's early doors.

Just could be like, yeah, it's joker, he's this guy's a joker. Fella.

Yeah, this guy's a joker fella, What are you a joker fella? I mean they gave Rolling Stone, gave the cover to like sexy Marathon bomber guy, like you just do that a couple of years and they were like, this guy's fucking low key hot, like two years after he did a very unpopular crime that you know, and they were still like bad boy generation rebellion or something. I forget like how they framed it exactly. But this

And we're back.

We're back, And I talked to my financial advisor and got some news.

The talk of the talk to her coin.

Did not go to the moon, as I had admonished my financial advisor, it would.

Put everything I've got, take it out of index funds, put it all in hot coin.

She got something, yeah, hack coin.

Uh yeah, So I guess I vaguely knew that this stuff was happening, Like I think I remember when Kim Kardashian got in trouble. We got fined for over million dollars for recommending a coin to her followers, and then it was maybe not fully on the up and up. I think I remember there was some conversation around Iggy Azalea having a big crypto coin.

I mean, just if you just think of the celebrities right who have been involved with this kind of shit, Like there's fucking you know, Manny pakiaw DJ, Khaled Mayweather, Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Ti Soldier Boy, Gwyneth Paltrow, Kevin Hart, Paul Pierce. Like there's a certain point where like, clearly these people get to them, They're like, Yo, here's a way to make some ritten pretty easy money. Yeah, and

Right, Yeah, there's a there was a tweet by Maddox rules. That was Hello, I'm calling about a potential investment scam. No, it was voluntary. There's a girl who was interviewed for a web show who said you need to spit on a penis and it went viral. Anyway, she started a podcast and made a crypto coin I thought was a sound investment.

Oh god, yeah, yeah, in fact it is.

Yeah, I don't know that. That's where it gets questionable. It's like, how when you explain what it actually is, right, Like for there to be like some sort of graft, there has to be like I was claiming it was this thing, but in reality it was this other thing, and what the I was claiming it was this thing still sounds so stupid that I have a hard time being like telling the difference between like what is being

Is that kind of what yeah?

Yeah, well, and then they're always like this is like a project. They always go like this, this is a serious crypto project. This isn't a fucking meme coin, Like we're actually trying to start something different, revolutionary, and then you get all this interest. But all the people presumably the people that are behind the coin, they're the ones that buy up a ton. It sends the lineup, and then people who are like, oh shit, this look out, look at the value increasing, Maybe I should get it

So I can't believe that this is how I'm going to get to like point back to some other thing that I'm doing. But I talked about doing an oc rewatch show. Yeah, And Ben McKay, who plays Ryan in that show, is that guy has used his fame in the past handful of years to write a book called Easy Money Cryptocurrency Casino Capitalism in the Golden Age of Fraud and has used again sort of his position for the past handful of years to call this out of being like shelging.

To be a fucking narc, to be a narc who is fucking my bag? Bro, He's got to listen to Ryan. He's peddling fud bro. It's all fud bro, fear, uncertainty, doubt. Don't listen to that shit, right, hold on for dear life, bro, because we're going to the fucking moon.

We're going to the lunar landscapes that were promised to you. But yeah, talk to a thing that So it was wild. Like afterwards, everyone was so pissed. They tried to do some damage control and it just went so wrong. In this Twitter spaces there's this guy coffee Zilla, who regularly like does sort of like these investigations into like crypto scams, just generally all kinds of other rug pulls and things, and he got on there and just fucking laid into them.

Is there one that's doing like super coin, Like is there one? Is there one by like whatever? You know, Like.

That was more of like a slow motion rug like it it just looks like it just fell apart. A lot of people are like this is bullshit, but like, I guess, to her credit, doesn't look as bad as some of the others, like hockey stick graphs when you see just like how they completely fall off a cliff. But again, it's always done because you just use this, you use the celebrity to draw in people to give you a couple of bucks and then just take it and then be like.

Just it's inherently a risk.

So then seems to be whether she and the people who are like kind of involved on her end have sold share like the company that was involved that like kind of created the project. I love calling it a project, like it's like some serious thing.

You're talking like them now, dude, I know that, Like whether they had sold off a bunch of the shares like before it created, like they like kept it up for twenty minutes, long enough to sell off the shares and then it created because the company is claiming like she and the other people involved like haven't sold a single share.

Yeah, so they're broke too. That's that is the claim on their end. So like it.

It seems like a fairly straightforward like we'll find out if that's true or not, Like it seems like a wild lie. Well, I just feel like we haven't sold anything.

We own it all.

But you know, these financial products are so you know, the legally complex and easy to like hide behind.

H Yeah, I think. I mean there's definitely people. I mean, because it's all in the blockchain. A lot of people are like all these a lot of the wallets that they're seeing, like that we're selling off were being like tied to the people that were behind this. So there is a bit of a paper trail. I mean again, it's this is this is what's interesting because we're about to enter a Trump administration where Crypto has gone all in on taking away every guardrail in terms of shit

Yeah, the Iggysalia thing is interesting because she, I guess, didn't sell everything off. She's just like in it for the long haul and like still like doing all these like big parties and like attempts to get people interested in It's like, no, she just made a genuinely shitty financial product and is losing money on it.

Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.

Sorry, it's hard. It is hard.

Like I said, Iggy, stick to rapping. Stick to what you're great at.

You're always saying that I am. I am.

Stick to rapping.

Who wrote the one good one for her? Was it? The game? There was?

So there are there are allegations that somebody was writing for her. I was like, that is so mean to that rapper whoever.

Wrote that for her?

Yeah, yeah, I remember she was always coming around with TI. He was kind of putting her on. I think that's what was She's yeah, oh yeah, that's probably what it was, because everyone's like, what the fuck, Why are you giving this Australian person all this credit?

Why is she talking like that? Yeah?

But all right.

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And the only thing I've seen about this was someone highlighting the Instagram story about this in which Beyonce's mother liked it. Is that true? Do we know if that's true? Do you know? Oh his mom liked this Instagram story because I don't know. I see stuff now and I'm like, I don't know what's real anymore. We cannot verify that at that. You can't. You don't know. You don't just have that in your head. Jack. We don't know what beyond his monster.

Our team is looking into it, thank you, But we actually have you guys be able to guy that Joe Rugan has he who yeah, checks him and proves that he's wrong ninety percent of the time.

Yeah, Kim, you what Tina.

Knowles up to?

Ah?

No, all right, I was wrong about that, My bad, All right, So I guess, So I guess Joe Biden wasn't AI during the State of the I got some bad, dude.

But people saw his wristwatch and you could actually tell that his wristwatch it was a different time. So all right, well they got yah, fine, they got me that.

I mean that that defense does not look that does not look good at all, Like to immediately come out and be like they're blackmailing me and then use some fucking like old timey prospector language like what the fuck is that we won't get one red penny out of me? I swear, Uh, you sound like a villain Sean Carter and I don't know, like when you look at just the people he's around, I'm like, jay Z bro, you

There wasn't one ditty party that he was alleged to have attended. Yeah, so, oh you can look into when he and Beyonce started dating. There's no you know, I don't. I don't think there's been definitive evidence of any wrongdoing there, but there are some allegations looking into Yeah. Yeah that the defense again the like the the the defense of going like straight after this person doesn't look good. Yeah, it does seem to be.

Like Forbes was saying that it's part of the pr.

Strategy that like they always do, there's a word for that.

There's no nonsense denial attacking the ambulance chaser lawyer and then shifting the narrative to turn himself into the victim.

Yeah, I mean, and it worked. We've seen this work for people like Kevin Spacey and oh wait, that doesn't seem to work. But I don't know.

Maybe it's like the democratic strategists, who it takes you a couple decades of repeatedly failing over and over to be like, oh, this doesn't work.

You know. Oh, Darvo's the name the word that I was looking for. Darvo. Yeah, I'm sorry, let me look up that so I don't screw it up. But this is a very popular So yeah, darvo is a reaction that perpetrators are wrongdoing, such as sexual offenders may display in response. It means deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.

Oh that's exactly right, exactly that damn.

That's yeah. There are a lot of states that track actually called darvo. There are a lot of states that actually, uh, not a lot, but there are some states that I believe that have like darvo protections because like often what people will do is they'll counter suit. Yeah, and and so yeah, that was that was the word I was looking for. Thanks for bearing with me. I do have the brain of a forty one year old weed smoker. Oh nice, I have forty four year old non weed smoker. And it is broken.

It's worse than your It's really bad.

Then he starts smoking weed.

Don't no, it's.

Not no, no no no no, don't worry, don't go down. Have a lot of clarity about my substance. There's one thing, probably not a good idea. I don't need to send more questions hurtling through my brain that I can't answer immediately about in my existence.

All right, Uh, Alex Steed, what a pleasure having you?

Yeah?

As always? Oh is a delight. Thank you? Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff. I'm more on Blue Sky these days, even though I talked all about Twitter and stuff. Alex Steed and I have this podcast you are good at Feelings podcast about movies. I have the o C Again, which is an O C and Early Aughts revisitation show. And then there is this record label High Culture where we just released a

The band that rips so hard. You see them in front of an H and M and you're like, yeah, absolutely, Oh I thought you were going to compliment H and M. That's who I would have given the and I just have to shout out, H and M a great taste and young.

I like a little Spandex in my clothes, and I like the fall apart three wears in.

That's exactly Oh wow, but that that Hawke to a button up you got looks fair.

That one lasts for twenty minutes before craters.

It's a rug pull of a shirt. You go out there naked, Alex.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying. Yeah. I saw the movie The Order twice in a row. I saw it two days in a row. I saw it on Saturday, and then I saw it on Sunday.

Oh wow, all right, that sounds good, and that's in theaters.

Mark Marin was in it for for three minutes as Allenberg, who was assassin a Jewish dj who who was assassinated unfortunately by and I was in Pasadena, which is like Mark Maron territory, and every cluster of people had one person who whispered to the rest of the cluster. That's Mark Maren. So anyway, it's it was it was great. It was great.

Miles, where can people find you as their working.

Media you've been enjoying?

Uh yeah, there's at miles of gray everywhere. Just look for me there. Uh, and and Blue Sky even Uh. You can also find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles and Jack Costs. You can find my God, the fucking Lakers are so fucking bad. I can't even fucking handle it.

It's fuck.

Dartym now had a better record than JJ at this point. Oh what happened anyway?

Uh?

And then also catch me talking about ninety dance a tweet I like us from at from Jess Dweck at the DWK tweeted this means there's a waluig Mangi private equity And that's again the Internet. The Internet, it's gotta be freaking out billionaires.

They're like, they like, it's all jokes about.

Using Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, So Amazon and Blackrock just posted like head of security position. Job openings, Yeah, yeah, job openings for like leading a team of heavily armed robots. Yeah, let's see a tweet I've been enjoying one dozen rats in a pear tree. At Panasonic d X four or five four we did Seinfeld episode where George has the same jacket as the guy who shot the CEO and vaguely alludes to being him to pick up women.

The one the one tweet. One tweet that really struck me while I was out and about yesterday's shopping and seeing all the Christmas stuff was this, I'm so sorry for the screen name. Milky White Tits tweeted, I've a Milky White Twists before gid jingle horse pick up your feet. Sounds like something a homophobic Jim teacher would say.

Yeah, I have that too, But I feel like I heard that tweet like lat I hear that, and I didn't truly Milky White Tits of stealing that. They must be right, but that is absolutely that.

Line continues to amaze.

It really is something that your Jim teacher would yell at you while you're doing laps. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien and on Blue Sky at jack ob the Number one. There's also somebody on there, jack ob Wan pretending to be me.

So that's fun.

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At Miles Yes, Hey, Miles, Hey Miles, is there a song you think people might enjoy?

Yeah?

Yes, Yes, Yes Yes, and and an accompanying video The Ezra Collective. They are a really fantastic like new jazz group from the UK. If you like Tom Mish or like Yusuf Days, those guys you're definitely gonna like. They're fucking fantastic. This is a track called N twenty nine to Berlin and this is the Colors Show version I typically see. I love the Color Show. It's a great YouTube channel, or you can see really good live performances.

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