Trevor Noah Debates Tomi Lahren & Chris Christie

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I'm in the Lions, Dan Trevor, I'm not.

A lion, that's all. Is that like an African thing? No, welcome to the show. Before we get into it. I know who you are because my Facebook feed has you in it. There are a lot of people who don't, So if you don't know Tommy Larreen, this is a little taste of her show.

The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest. They're not protesters. They're cry babies with nothing better to do than manned around the streets with their participation trophies in false sense of purpose. This isn't for Hillary. I'm not even sure this is against Trump. It's the same thing we've seen time and time again with these so called protesters and administrators.

It started with.

The Occupy Wall Street brats, moved on to the more militant, overtly aggressive Black Lives Matter more crowd cycled through the DNC paid violence instigators, and now here we are. November of twenty sixteen, with President elect Donald Trump and a crowd of misfit baby's form from every failed movement all sandwich together to become the largest group of winers the country has ever seen. A right pretty much covers it, doesn't it.

Trevor quick question like why are you so angry? I'm actually not that angry.

It's just there's things that need to be said, Trevor, And a lot of people are.

Afraid to say in an angry way. I mean, you can't say you're not angry, and I mean this is this is what you're known for. It's a strange thing to say, I'm not angry, but that is the one thing. It's like Ellen's saying, I don't like Dan sing. It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen, you do. You are angry about everything.

It seems somebody's you will just need to be called in there, you know.

What I mean? When what when you say the one in particular.

This is the thing protesting a you know, fair and free election, that to me, you get called in your little bit. It's time to clear the streets, it's time to accept reality, it's time to move on, time to make America great again.

You consider yours how the conservative I do. Okay, I mean I'm millennials.

I don't really like labels, but yes I'm conservative in thought.

Sorry, my brain, you just gave a label to say you don't like labels. But anyway, we exist on a spectrum. That was just funny. That was just funny. This is a funny moment. Millennial is just funny. In terms of Black lives matter. Like, you know, you have quite a record for somebody who is not racist. You have to spend a lot of time saying I'm not racist. What is your biggest issue with Black lives matter?

I think, and I've said this many times, it started with good intentions. I think it was it was well intentioned. The moment that they started pushing hands up, don't shoot, which is a false narrative, proven time and time again to be a false narrative. The minute that that became their slogan, the minute that protesting turned it into rioting and looting and earning and militant actions, that's when I lost respect for Black lives matter.

Okay, but now here's my thing. Let's address each of these things one by one. When you go protesting turning into rioting and looting, that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon. That is what happens when there is a protest. A lot of the time. There were people who rioted and looted when teams won in Chicago years ago. It doesn't mean that they are now bad people. That's what happens. There are some bad people in every instance. Going back to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that,

They subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement. They say, we are the Black Lives Matter movement. Frym like Bacon, f the police.

There are so few people. These are a few people. This is not the Black Lives Matter. That is not the platform.

Though I saw it in my city of Dallas. I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest look like and I saw five fallen officers because of it.

That that's not f that's true. No, no, no, no no no.

It is because the shooter said point like, shooter said, he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter.

Yes, and there are many things you can say I mean, if you go outside, you can say anything about doing something, because if you cannot deny that the man had mental issues as well and he was in a tough place. Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what it stands for, right because you're the same person. You're the same person who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK doesn't mean he's in the KKK. So it goes it goes against me.

He can't say he did it.

Because of no but he the shooter said I but Black.

Lives Matter has never said go out and shoot people. I'm saying you're saying this to your audience, and I honestly do not understand where you're getting that from. Just because a person. What if somebody says, I felt emboldened by Tommy Larren and so I went out and I shot black people? Are you now responsible?

Is that your TV? It's not one or two people. If you look at them, you look at every city. Look at the protests that have gone on in Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have now turned to anti Trump protests.

Because are not a few people Okay.

This is mass crowds of people. They're doing in this the name of Michael Brown, they're doing this the name of Freddie Gray. They're doing it as the front of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media is embold in these people.

Okay, so then let's use that same logic that you're using then, and then go police. Are the police racist because police in many cities. You look at Baltimore, you look at what happened in New York, you look at what happened in the case of Walter Scott. You tell me, are police racist because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly, They've been shown to shoot black people when they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist them? Because that's the same logic you're using.

It's really not, though, Trevor, because the meanstream media is not ebolding them as a group.

It's not.

And did you know that a black man is eighteen point five times more likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to shoot a black man. Those are statistic no one wants to talk about.

Here's the thing. So let me ask you this. Then, if you say as you said, when you walked out. I'm not as mean as people think I am. I'm not the person that people think i'm. What do you wish people would understand about you that are in another bubble? What do you wish people would understand about you on the other side.

I wish that we could disagree with each other without thinking that we are bad people or ill intentioned folks. So because I criticize a black person, or I criticize the Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn't mean that I am anti black. It does not mean that I don't like black people or that I'm a racist. It means I'm criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick, that doesn't mean that I don't believe in his First Amendment rights. It means that I believe in my First Moment rights

I go after Hillary Clinton, and she is why as they come't you don't see color, so what do you do at a traffic lights? I don't believe in that at all. When people say that there's nothing wrong with seeing color, it's how you treat color that's more important. You're right, here's my thing. Like, all these points that you make are great, and I do believe that you believe them. And I don't believe anyone is actively trying their few people are trying to be bad from their

But I think there are some things that need to be said. And when the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying frime like bacon f the police, when they're going out seeing if you see a white person target them, that is happening, Trevor. That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago. That is happening. So when that now becomes the narrative and you're starting to loot, burn and riot, what did.

The KKK do? That is not Look, we'll go around in circles. Did you say, what did the KKK do?

No?

What do they do?

When you're saying, listen, Trevor, Trevor, when you're saying when there are people in the streets saying if you see a white person beat their ass, does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you?

Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or the people who are saying that within a crowd of other human beings. There is a distinction between a movement and the people. That is something that we keep coming back to. But let's go back to what you were saying on Colin Kaepernick and the national anthem. This is something I don't understand. And when I watch your videos, I go

No, not at all.

I'm saying I don't agree with what he did. I think that he went about the wrong way.

I don't think he is the right way. When people say that, I'm always fascinated what's the right way. So here's a black man in America who says, I don't know how to get a message across. If I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug. If I go out and I protest, people say that it's a riot. If I bend down on one knee, then it's not. What is the right way? That is something I've always wanted to know. What is the right way for a black persons of America taking them out?

Trevor taking it out on our flag and our national anthem? To me, but how why would you take out your perceived oppression of black people out on the national anthem? In our flag, a country that you live in, a country that you benefit from, a country that people of all races have died for, have died to protect, have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation. How do you then go and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country? Well, why is that the outlet?

Well, maybe you're a person who's lived and read through history and you realize that a lot of those people of every color who died for this country, some of them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the country off the fighting. Maybe you were one of those people who realizes that the penal system in America was designed to oppress black people, It was designed to enslave people. It is a relic

For me, I know what that flag means to me. I know what that flag means to those that are fighting for our country right now. It's bigger than a piece of cloth. Is a symbol of patriotism. Our national anthem has meant a lot to a lot of people. It's got a lot of people through very hard times in this country. It's got it scarred, it's got it's wounds, it's got its history. But I still believe it's the

I don't agree with what he did.

So because I don't agree with what he did, then now I should shut up because I'm white.

So I should shut up.

I shouldn't be able to talk about black issues because I'm white.

No one brought no one brought up whites at all. I never said that I don't see color. I don't think that that's what the argument is. What I'm saying is I asked you one question, and that is how should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all ask How if that's not the right way, If marching isn't the right way, what is the right way when you talk?

What he said was he is protesting the anthem in the flag because of the oppression of black people in this country. I would like him to further explain what he's talking about when he's discussing the black oppression in this country. Also, is it against police? Is it against the government. I'm not sure what oppression he's discussing. I would love to have him come on my show and

So he's again, you haven't answered my question of how. How you want to tell me. I'm just asking how, and I'm asking you honestly. I'm not saying in a challenging way. I'm saying to you, I don't know the answer apart from these methods. So I would like to know if you've ever thought of a how. Because you're the first person i've met who said this, I've seen this message online. I'm not labeling you as the bad person. I just want to know if you've ever thought of

I think there are a lot of folks in this kind of iving. A woman, I didn't have rights after black people until women got the right to vote. But because I feel like I'm a woman and I marginalized in some way, I don't protest my country. I don't see what he's protesting. I would like to know exactly what he is protesting.

It's a very So how do you know? How do you protest them?

That's right, I don't protest because I'm not a victim.

I guess we can we can go back and forth on a lot of these issues. It's a It's an interesting place to be in because honestly, you've won, you know, like your side has won as you say, you know, the liberal snowflakes are melting in the streets as they protest. And now I would like to know from your side, genuinely, as someone who's won, do you believe that Donald Trump will follow through on his promises.

I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't. I am not somebody that gets on the cheerleading bandwagon. If he does something I disagree with, I will discuss it.

I did.

Before I was a Trump supporter. I was critical of Trump. I was a Marco Rubio girl for a long time. And then I started to see that was gonna be our nominee, and I said, it's him or Hillary. A lot of Americans were in that position.

Yeah.

And then I got closer to the campaign and I started seeing some of the things he was saying, and I started seeing the effect he was having on people and the things that he was saying that were touching people and making them.

Yeah, he was, he really was.

Hillary could use some of that every now and then, Right, Bill's a little busy, Bill's a little busy.

I appreciate you being on the show. Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you.

It is a conversation with you. Say you have nick having. You can find Tommy's final thoughts at facebook dot com slash Tommy Laren, Tommy Laren, everybody. We'll be right back. My guest tonight is the former federal prosecutor and governor of New Jersey who ran for president and served as head of President Trump's transition team. His new book is called Let Me Finish Trump, The Cushioners, Bannon, New Jersey, and the Power of in your Face Politics. Please welcome

Well, you know, listen, it's you know, sometimes that's when you're bravest Trevors.

Right, never know, how do you feel about these Republicans who seem to be pro trumple with him? And then when they're leaving, all of a sudden, they're like, he is the worst thing in the world. It seems like bravery does happen when the people leave.

Yeah, when you know you don't have to look at him every day or something. I guess, I guess that's probably it. But you know, they weren't brave in the beginning, you know, and what they're doing now is just faux bravery.

So that's the way it goes.

Hurricane Sandy was for you one of the most seminal moments in your life and your career. It's interesting because you went on this roller coaster ride of approval ratings Hurricane Sandy. Around that time, people said Chris Christy could be the next president of the United States.

I recall that.

Yeah, And then a while later, like this picture was one of those that made you one of the most hated men in the United States. When like a beach was shut down and there's you know, a shutdown and you out on the beach with your family. What was that like, just genuinely from your side as a human being, going from like everyone loving to use a feeling like everyone hates you.

Try to make me cry, but no, no, no, no, serious, no, I mean listen seriously, like that's that's often what political life is like. You know, very rarely is there somebody in a political life who does anything that's worth anything right, that remains popular all the way through. Because if you're doing stuff that matters and stuff that needs to be done in your state or in this country, you're gonna

No one likes it.

Anybody who says they like being unpopular at times is just completely full of it. I didn't like it, but I also tried to have some perspective on it that that wasn't why I did it in the first place, anyway, was to be popular. And I used to tell my folks when we were at seventy five percent, Like we're not keeping this in the desk drawer, like just looking at it. Go look how pretty that seventy five percent is. Let's go spend it. Let's go do the difficult things

You've written a book, Let Me Finish Trump, the Kushioners, Bannon, New Jersey, and the Power of in your Face Politics. You take us through a little bit of how you began, a little bit of your life, the journey that made you into Chris Christy as people know you, and then you really get into the meat of the presidential campaign, from you announcing, from you going into the race, all the way through to dropping out, and then the story

Yeah, at that time, we've been friends for about fourteen years.

Did you think he stood a chance?

No?

Why not?

I thought the whole thing was a joke at the time. I really did.

I mean, you know, he'd been talking about running for president for a long time, I mean going back twenty years, and so when he finally look, he was getting older, and when he finally declared, I thought to myself, well, he's not going to stay in uh huh. I mean this is gonna be something where he's going to do it for a little while, get into a debate or too experience.

It, and then go yeah, I don't need this. I'm going to go away.

So the whole premise of me, and not just me, but most of the other men and women that were up on that stage, was like, all right, he's getting some attention now, but he can't be serious about this.

Is that why you guys didn't work as hard to attack him. It felt like everyone was leaving him and it's like, ah, forget him, he's fun.

You know what? It really was part of the problems.

There were so many of us, and he had so much popularity in the polls early yes, that all the rest of was there was just a little bit left for everybody. So you remember when people would go to attack him, like ram Paul went to attack one thing, and he will look at me to go, you're a two percent, You're nothing, You're never going to win, be.

Alone, right, or you shouldn't even be on the stage.

Shouldn't be on the stage. Who are you? That kind of thing?

And and everybody saw that happening, and the media would react to that and play it over and over again, so it'd be like you're getting getting you know, sad kicked in your face, not just once, but like a hundred times.

And so people said, well, let's wait.

The strategy of everybody was, let's wait till we're down to the last few and then we'll go after him.

But when you saw that happening, when you when you saw Trump becoming a viable candidate, the race changed quite a bit. Did it change your friendship?

You know? Interestingly know because we never except for one instance that I detail in the book, which well that is this was I got the the endorsement of the Manchester Union Leader in Hampshire, which is the biggest newspaper in New Hampshire and the biggest endorsement to get in the primary.

And he was really pissed. And so he was in.

South Carolina when it happened, and he and then he gives some speech saying that, oh, you know, Bridge Gate, he knew all about it.

I know he knew about it. He had breakfast with these people every morning.

What were they talking about? It was all made up? Right, a made up And how does that?

How do you still stay friends with somebody who's accusing you of being part of something that is a crime.

Well, part of what part of it? Is politics? Right?

I mean people accuse people of everything in politics sometimes, and if you break every relationship you have with someone who says something bad about you, you're gonna be eating dinner alone in politics because it's a nasty game. But also what happened was when he did that, then I went after him. So I was in Iowa when he did that. That night, I went after him and I said, listen, Donald Trump said a whole bunch of lies about me today. Let me tell you the truth. We don't need a wall.

And you know the craft those things. Listen, it looks like I was right.

No, But do you do you still believe all of those things?

Yeah?

I mean, yeah, that's what I ran on. I don't think I don't think we need those things. Do we need some more security at the border. Of course we do, and I think everybody agrees on that. But did we need what he was talking about then, which was a concrete wall from one end to the border to the other. No, And and I said that at the time, and now he doesn't even say anymore. That's or steel slats or

He didn't mean to say that.

He knows it was wrong, he knows that that wasn't true, and he wants a truce. And so I said to my guy, if he wants a truce, he calls me. And so he called me and he admitted he never he didn't mean it, he knew it wasn't true. He was just angry, and he apologized.

We haven't always agreed on everything. We fights an augue about stuff, but I've always appreciated that you come on the show and.

That you told listen, you're great and coming on the show, and.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

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