The Supreme Court Aims to Overturn Roe v. Wade | Bill Gates

you today. Obviously, we're gonna be talking about the big decision coming out of the Supreme Court, and Senator Amy klob Show will be joining us live on Washington, d C to discuss the big news. And then later on he had to talk about his work defending reproductive rights as well as how to prepare for the next pandemic. Bill Gates is joining us on the show. So that's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, and I get this, And he's gonna give everyone in the audience a million dollars.

And now that I said on TV you not to do it, I said it. You've got you kind of the people. Let's sound strike into the big news of the day. Hi, ah, right, let's go straight into it. For the past fifty years, ever since the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, women in America have had the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion, and now it looks like that right is going away.

Bombshell the Supreme Court poised to strike down Roe versus Wade that, according to an unprecedented leak of the justice is drafted inion overnight, a decision would alter the nationwide battle over abortion. The blockbuster story broke overnight on the political website, reporting that a draft of the Supreme Court's opinion shows the Court overturning Roe v. Wade in a blistering ruling. Tensions flared outside the nation's highest court after

an unprecedented leaking. But the bombshell report comes as five states have enacted strict abortion restrictions and sweeping bands, many of them ready to immediately cut off access to care if the High Court does overturn ro versus Wade. Over twenty states are poised to immediately ban abortions right people. If the Court's decision is released officially, abortion will be illegal in about half the states in America. Yeah, that

means all across the country. Women in places like South Dakota or Missouri or even Texas will have the exact same abortion rights as women in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Yeah, and just think about it. We just evacuated people out of Afghanistan and we're gonna have to evacuate them out of Tennessee. And it isn't isn't it amazing? After all these years of the right screaming about the threats of sharia law, it turns out they were just jealous. Now,

to be clear, Roe v. Wade hasn't yet been overturned. Right, this is a lad draft from February. It's not official, Like for are we know the opinion could change by the time it's released, or the justices who signed onto it in February could change their minds. It is not likely, but it's technically possible. I mean, like, who knows. Maybe justice a little will try ayahuasca. We'll come back with a totally new perspective on the universe and how we're

all connected. Or maybe between then and now, one of these justices will have a daughter and then they'll understand Wait, hold on, oh, I'm being told four of them do have daughters. Oh okay, Well, that's up. But it's important to remember how we got here, because keep in mind that poll after pole shows that a majority of Americans don't want Roe v. Wait to be overturned. But the GOP didn't care about that. Noh in care about winning over the people. They just can't about getting enough justices

onto the court to get what they want. Basically, they use the same tactic that that asshole friend of yours uses when they're ordering pizza. Hey, what topics does everyone want? What do you want on the pizza? Extra cheese and pepperoni? What I'm ordering? So it's anchovies and pineapples, Dick, And that's basically how you end up with a Supreme Court decision that amounts to a hostile takeover of America's reproductive rights. The draft depinion is apparently written by Justice Samuel Alito.

The language of this draft is blunt, at times scornful, Justice Alito apparently writing that Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. He calls it an abuse of judicial authority and adds it is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives. Justice Samuel Alito says, quote the inescapable conclusion is that the right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the

nation's history and tradi Yeah, believe it or not. According to this argument, there actually is no fundamental rights for women to control their own bodies. Lawmakers could pass laws giving them that, but that right is not part of this nation's history and traditions, which is kind of true. I mean, the history of this nation is that men can control what women do, and that's what we want to go back to, right progress, Yes, yes, I'm getting it right, I mean, but then again, the right to

an abortion has also been around for fifty years. Now, think about it. You want ta about history and tradition. I think it's safe to say that that's a tradition at this point. Like if you go without electricity for a weekend, you're camping. If you go without it for fifty years, you're Amish mother. That's just who you are. That's just who you are. And most people, most people thought the freedom to choose what's just how America was. No one ever thought the GOP could just roll it

back by playing a reverse Uno card. They didn't know it's a thing. I mean, Okay, full perspective for perspective considered this, It wasn't until the year after Roe v. Wade that women in America got the legal rights to

have a credit card without a man. Think about that, Yeah, and I think we would all agree it would be a little weird if the Court was suddenly like, Look, if the founders wanted women to have credit cards, they would have said so, they would have And look, this ruling is bad enough on its own, but it also sets a new precedent that can make things even worse because if the rights to privacy that role is based on doesn't actually exist, then all sorts of things could

become illegal. Contraception, gay marriage, sex before marriage, adultery, masturbation. I mean, everyone assumed that these things were here to stay. Yeah, but give this court some time and you just wake up and find yourself back in the nineteen sixties, except you wouldn't have hitchhiking, which is the best part of the nineties sixties. Yeah, back then everyone was an uber driver. And now, despite how it may sometimes feel, the Supreme Court is not the only branch of government, right the

stawso the President and Congress and the illuminati. Wait, sorry, no, I didn't say that. Last party, sorry, just the presidents and Congress, and so because of that, elected officials from both parties immediately weighed in on the stunning news. If we had to pick a word that our caucus feels, it's infuriated in sweet because we're finally vindicating the constitutions. Be a great deal that we're gonna after fifty years. Besides of what we do not have a right to choose.

This is a great victory. H It's a great victory for God. I have seen the world prayer abortions is idles as if we are not going back. Republican Center Susan Collins, calling this decision quote inconsistent with what justice is Neil gorcerg and Reet Kavanov said in their confirmation hearings and in her private meetings with them before she agreed to vote for them. Rarely, Susan Collins, you're really gonna tell us that you didn't think the Conservative US

this is we're gonna overturn Roe v. Wade. You didn't think that that's the whole thing. It's like letting pac Man borrow your dots and then being shocked that he ate them all. That's what pac Man does. How are you the only person around who doesn't know pac Man. I mean, look, I will say in Senator Collins defense, it is insane. It really is insane that Supreme Court justices can just lie in their job interview without any repercussions.

All right, you couldn't even do that ship at Kinko's if you claimed that you're an expert at clearing paper jams, and then when you get there all you know how to do is make copies of your butt. Kinkos is gonna fire you. So obviously, Republicans are like static and Democrats are furious. And technically Democrats could legalize abortion through Congress if they get rid of the filibuster. The only problem is they don't have the votes to do that.

Although who knows, Susan Collins is so gullible, you know, Chuck Schuman can probably get it to sign onto the filibuster reform by just hiding it in a birthday card. Yeah, that's right. Just sign here. It's a group thing for the whole and everyone's gonna it's a janitor's birthday. We're all signing. Just signed here. Yeah, his name is Phil Buster.

Signed here. Now, what's really interesting about this story? Is that while many people are upset about the decision itself, some people are only upset that we're hearing about the decision. I have never, as you said, seen a leak like this at the Court in the years that I've covered it. It is astonishing that somebody would release a draft opinion outside of the court. This is as corrosive as destructive to the Supreme Court as we've ever seen. This is

an insurrection against the Supreme Court. The justices must be able to discuss and deliberate inter an environment of total trust and privacy. It is not up to a law clerk to decide when the decision of the Court will be announced. They should have never happened. They should build and make decisions in private and secret, and then once they're ready to decide and let the country know how that they have ruled, let it out. Yeah. Yeah, I like that a lot. I understand why these people have upset.

You heard what they said. The conservative majority on this Court has a fundamental right to choose when they want to release a decision into the world. Imagine having some random person violate your privacy and make that choice for you. Who would do such a thing. It's crazy. It's crazy how conservatives always managed to make themselves the victim in any situation. I mean, they have just accomplished this thing that they've been working towards for fifty years, and their

first reaction is, it's so unfair. What's happening to us? Well, well, I'm sorry what you wanted your ruling to be a big surprise, and now someone ruined it. I'm really sorry that this decision to colonize every vagina in America wasn't given the respect or dignity that it deserves. Yeah, right, now, you'll sound like a serial kid who's upset that your potential victim busted you in the backseat. You weren't supposed

to look here. You were just supposed to sit in the front and then I was gonna put a bag in your head, and now it's ruined. Hope you have a happy life. So look, man, Understandably, today has been a very frustrating and upsetting day for most people in the United States. And we'll keep watching to see how this develops. But for now, though, let's checking on the weather without very own desertlic everybody crazy day desert. While there,

what's happening across the country. Well, as you can see behind me, Trevor, in about half the states in this country, women's rights are being burnt to the goddamn ground because if this court decision becomes a reality, women in these states are screwed, and not just the normal like I live in Texas, screwed. I have to agree, desert because like, it is a horrible day for women's rights to choose. Well, actually, Trevor,

women do still have the right to choose. We can choose who to blame for this mother ship show of a travesty. Yeah, Like, for example, I choose to blame Donald Trump and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell, all great choices. Thanks to them, every red state uterus is about to be public domain again, like a Yankee doodle dandy of reproductive organs. You know what, I'm even choosing to blame

the Democrats. Yeah, that's right, for not being aggressive enough, for not codifying ROW when they had the power to, for not visiting dripping Wisconsin. It is not that hard to get there. I did it once by accident. There is so much blame to go around, it's like a raging blame Gauntlet or RBG for short. Oh God, damn mus what you did? Then? Do you what? I'm just using that common phrase we all know, raging blame Gauntlet. Okay, Okay,

I see what you're saying. Look, women truly have endless choices when it comes to who to blame for this. I blame the way society has made this a woman's problem. I also blame the patriarchy and terms and having jim teachers teach sex d It does not look like a banana, right, well, I mean sometimes it actually can. And you know what, I also choose to blame the media. And what about those stupid pink pussy hats. They didn't do shit. I'm blaming evolution because why did we get the uteruses? Or God,

why did he give us the uteruses? And yeah, you know what, I think it's safe to say now God's a man. And you know what else, Trevor, I'm pissed whoever leaked this. Wait, you're upsets about the leak? Yeah, of course we could have been living an ignorant bliss for the next two months before women legally become dystopian diaper genies. The worst spoiler ever, you know whichever, I just have to say The most important choice that we can all make now is to not accept this. We

can choose to fight back. We can choose to put pressure on our lawmakers. We can choose to donate to abortion Right three. Yeah, and I mean this yeah. And most importantly, I am choosing to take the rest of the week off. All women, all of them say in the rest of the week off. That's corianic everyone, I think on our pastile. Most aday, when we're talking back, we'll be talking about what can be done with Saneta Amylobha.

So I don't go away. Welcome back to the Data Show. Today, everyone is processing the shocking news that the Supreme Court is preparing to overturn Roe v. Wade. To discuss what that means and what can be done about that. We're joined now by Senator Amy Klobshaw, who's live in Washington, d C. Sendta clover Shaw, thank you so much for jaming us on the show. Thanks Trevor. Let's jump straight

into it. Everyone was shocked, appalled, just really you know, blown away by the possibility that this could actually be a decision, especially because for fifty years people have thought that this was settled law. Where do you stand now? Where does America go from here? As a sitting senator, Well, first, as a sitting senator, let me say, I am mad, I am piste off. These justices, these nominees came before us. Of course I voted against him, but they said, oh,

this is the law of the land. Oh, this is a case that has been affirmed over and over and over again. And then what do they do when they get a chance, Uh, They're gonna overturn it. And we predicted this was going to happen. But what this means right now? If this happens over twenty states, many of them have laws already in place, will ban abortion, will have a patchwork of laws across the country. So the

answer is not that. The answer is that a federal law is passed to codify Roe v. Wade into law. So it is the law of the land. So if that being said, how do you how do you begin to do that? Because I'm sure many Republicans out there right now going, well, that's why we voted, that's why we voted for Trump. That's why we're happy that McConnell is in power. Because however they did it, they managed to get it done. And then I see a lot of Democrats where people voted for the Democrats saying, well,

are we going to get what we voted for? All the women who voted for this potsy going to see actions being taken. Is it's going to be a case of we don't have the votes and we configure out how to make it happen. Well, two people have to show where they stand and we have to have this vote. It's critical and as you know, the vast majority of Democrats in Congress, it's has already past the House support this bill. So that is going to happen very quickly.

I agree with you, we should get rid of the filibuster. I don't know if you know there are over a hundred exceptions to that filibuster. Where like everyone else, like the House of Representatives, like democracies across the world, we have majority votes. They have majority votes on things like the Trump tax cut, they have majority votes on space accidents,

they have majority votes on things like arms sales. And so you're gonna tell me that we have to get sixty votes to change something that this right wing Supreme Court has put in place, where in fact they are against the wishes of nearly eighty percent of the American people. So if something's worth getting rid of the filibuster, for making an option to the filibuster, this is at and by the way, if that doesn't work, you know that old line, don't get mad, vote, I say, get mad

and vote. We have to do both. It will talk for a little bit about strategy. Then there are two Republican sentences who have been on record as saying that they are pro choice, Senator Collins and Sentences of Mikowski, and they said, hey, we're pro choice even though we

voted for these conservative justices. Would this be a moment where you basically asked them to put their money where their mouth is and say, well, if you said you are pro choice and now you see that these justices have gone against what they said, do you think you

could get them to vote with the Democrats. I can't predict what they're going to do, but I can tell you yes, this is a moment where people have to make a decision when you look at the history all kinds of exception to that filibuster, and this is a moment where one we have to codify Roe v. Wade into law, especially if they have been betrayed by these justices who they claim one claim to them and then voted another way. And then secondly, uh, they've got to

make their own decision. They're both independent thinkers, and so I don't rule that out. But I also looked to the fall Um as part of this strategy. You can't just look at both things separately, as well as the fights are gonna happen in every single state legislature in the country, because this is going to be battled out

state by state by state. Because I think when these judges said, and we always thought they wanted to go back to the nineteen fifties, I think what we didn't realize when they said the fifties, it was the eighteen fifties. And when one branch is screwing up so bad that they're taking positions that reverse fifty years of precedent and against eight percent of the American people, Yeah, the other

branches supposed to government is supposed to step in. That's what our system of government was set to do and not make women get back alley abortions and travel across state lines just to exercise their constitutional and I believe it's constant susitional right to make decisions about their own health care m Do you worry at all? Do you worry at all that the Supreme Court has lost its

neutrality as an institution in America. There was a time when people said the Supreme Court rules on the laws that have been passed and the interpretation of those laws. And yet now it feels very much like a seasil. Is there a way you can see America fixing this or is this just how it's going to be from

now on? First of all, I'll note I take this personally because the justice who was a Republican president appointed justice that would be Justice Blackman Um was from Minnesota, and he is the one that may be surprised those that had asked for him to be appointed by writing Roe v. Way. So that kind of independence is not

what you're seeing with these conservative justices. Now. You have seen it Um from time to time with Justice Roberts, who voted to uphold the Affordable Care Act, who has taken an umber of votes and as if he's some radical liberal. Not really, but it has gone so extreme that he has been siding with some of the liberal justices. Sadly, if this leaked opinion and what we're hearing is true, that won't even matter if he did that because it was five four. So as I look to the future,

what do we need to do? Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to um make sure that we're putting judges in place. And I will tell you with the wonderful new appointment of Justice Jackson to that Supreme Court, she will be starting soon. That is a good beginner. And what a moment that was when she got out of the dark and musky Senate Judiciary cave that it was and got out in that beautiful sunshine on the White House lawn. There was no Ted Cruise on that lawn, and that was her moment.

But now, sadly, the Supreme Court has told us we will no longer allow women to make their decisions with their doctors, Trevor. It will be Ted Cruise that can make those decision. But the bottom line right now is we are not going to be able to fix that court before the fall, and I think your audience knows that. Right now, what we have to do is push these votes, show people where they are, show people where Democrats are and where Republicans are. And if we can't get this done,

because we have a tide Senate at fifty fifty. Then we go straight to the ballot box. We march that box. People turn out in record numbers. That is how we beat this, Trevor, that will be the last day. Well, I know you took a window of your time to coming talk for us. I appreciate you. Appreciate you for that, Senda, Thank you so much. UM, and you did a great job at the White House Correspondence. Thank you for calling out watching said that was there. It was amazing. We

want you back. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Sending good seeing you again. All right, don't because off of the break we're gonna be talking for Bill Gas. Would be like, welcome back to the Day to Show. My next guest is co chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Bill Gates. He's here to talk about his latest book, How to Prevent the Next Pandemic. Please welcome Bill Gates. Than welcome back to the show. Thank you. So everyone gets a million dollars? Yeah, I mean, do

you give the cheers? Maybe a book? Maybe a book. Wow. Before we get into the book, let's talk about the news of the day. UM, reproductive rights. This has been something that people have been fighting for in America for decades. It feels like now America is really winding time. I know that you have been one of the biggest donors

to women's reproductive rights in America. When you look at the work you're doing, and when you look at what we can do to keep improving that and and create that bastion, what are some of the things we can do well? First of all, this is a worldwide struggle. Uh, there's a lot of countries that you know, never had these rights. It's stream to have the US go back, but our foundation has a lot on getting contraceptives out. Some people even fight against that. You know, my dad

ran the chair of the local Planned parenthood Uh. So you know, the idea of choice seems pretty basic. Um. Mostly you think it's forward progress, not not one step backwards. Not one step back. Was one small step for the Supreme Court, one giantly back for women in America. UM. Let's talk about the book Bill Gates how to Prevent the Next pandemic. Why are you saying there's going to be a next pandemic? Bill? Uh? Why are you putting that juju on us? Well, the risk is always there.

We actually were pretty lucky that we want a hundred years without a really terrible pandemic Spanish flu now COVID, and we shouldn't expect it will be that long next time. Uh, it's not that hard to get ready. Um. You need to drill like you do for fire. We've got you know, three hundred thousand firemen in the US. We've got nine million fire hydrants. Uh, and a lot less than that would make it so we wouldn't have to suffer another pandemic before we get into the you know, the future

of it, or let's talk about the past. You know. I like how you lay out in the book what to do to prevent the next pandemic. You gave a Ted talk a while ago talking about basically what we just went through over the past two years, and then people blamed you for creating it, because that's how things work. If you say it, it happens. It's the secret. I've

I've read it' um. And you know, I found myself reading the book and I was fascinating, But I was going, but shouldn't we also be interested in how this pandemic came to be, Like, like it's still shrouded in so much mystery. It's like, how do we prevent something where we don't even understand how it came to be, Like, you know, all their labs where they need to do better at at you know, enclosing the work that they're doing. I understand that they have to do the work, But

how do we figure that out? And how do we move forward in the in that realm where we shouldn't be careful about lab safety. It's quite clear in this case that it came across through animals, and almost all our diseases like HIV crossed over from chimpanzees in Africa quite some time ago. Ebola came from bats. UH. This also UH with one step in between, came from bats. So it's going to keep happening, particularly climate change where we're invading UH a lot of habitats UH and you

want to catch it as soon as you can. How do we do that? Well, you see people getting sick UH, you you see elevated deaths, and you go in there and you actually take and you sequence at early on UH. And then you have a global group that is ready to go, kind of like a fire squad. UH comes in and very quickly you diagnose people some countries have had a tenth the deaths of the United States because they were a little bit more ready. H And you know,

so we learned a lot in this pandemic. I mean, yes, the warning was there, but now we we know a lot more and it's obvious, pretty obvious what should be done. You talk about this global squad in the book. I think you you've referred to it. It's you couldn't say the name GERM g e r M Global Epidemic Response and Mobilization. Why would you call a germ though? Would like if like, if I need help, I wouldn't call

like germ to come and help me. Why I'll call it germ though that might Okay, I'll give up the name as long as it gets funk. Alright, fine. So so explains to me a little bit, you know, because it seems like what you're trying to create is almost like a you know, like an interplanetary space force. But you're trying to do that for Earth, for our diseases. Isn't there going to be a limitation? And how much can get done? Because the governments themselves may get in

the way, Like China was a perfect example. They knew before people knew. They tried to do their best, and they were like, we're gonna We're gonna handle this. They couldn't handle it, and that was crucial time that the world lost in trying to prepare themselves. So wouldn't GERM be at the mercy of any particular nation. Yeah, we may have lost, you know, two or three weeks if China had both domestically and globally talked about it. Um, you know some countries. Even so, that was enough time

because they had practiced and they did diagnostics very quickly. Um. The next outbreak is i'd say equally likely to come out of a country in Africa where you don't have a very strong health system, so they won't try and cover it up. But unless you have a little bit of data gathering in a group to fly in, you may take even longer to get the alarm bells ringing them. We had this time, So GERM will help the poor countries a lot, which is where a lot of the

risk is. A lot of people have asked this question, I mean, through the pandemic, don't make it doing me long. There were crazy takes, but some people asked, what, in my opinion, was a valid question. They said, well, well, why is Bill Gates the one who's talking about this? I mean, if we want help with computers, we know we're gonna call you. But why are you the person who's writing books about a pandemic or talking about a pandemic.

Is because you're a billionaire or what gives you that right? Uh? Yeah, My full time job is at at the Foundation now and we work on infectious diseases all the time, and pandemics. You know, you have to have people who know about vaccines and diagnostics and therapeutics and communications. While I was lucky enough for the last two years as we put an extra two billion into trying to stop this pandemic, that I was listening to them and understanding, Okay, we

should have done this, we should have done that. So there's no there's amazing experts that I love working with. There's no one who kind of could make it simple. Uh. And so my goal, like with my climate book, was to elucidate it in a way that would be quite straightforward. I see, so you talk to the experts and then you go like you guys speak gibberish. I'm going to write it down in a way that people can understand it makes sense. I mean, that's like the graphical user interface.

That's the whole idea. Get us away from it. Um, it really is, That's what it is. We are barely coming out of this pandemic. What are some of the small things, just tiny things that we could put in place that would help us prevent or delay or eliminate altogether another situation that decimates to the entire globe. Well, it's too bad that we don't have trusted people who are saying raise the vaccination level. I mean, this pandemic

could still surprise us with another variant. And so getting particularly elderly people, uh to not only be vaccinated, but to be boosted. You know, that can't be said loudly enough. Um. One thing I'm excited about is we will be able to have diagnostic machines to very rapidly test people that we really bungled that this time. Uh. And once those first hundred days go by, it's hard to make up

for that. Uh. And so one of the cheapest things in here is getting those amazing breakthrough diagnostic machines out not just in the US, but uh in the entire world. And that's a big thing that you've been an advocate of is UM creating a fairer system of getting technology and resources out of the world. I mean, you were one of the first people who complained about vaccines not going to Africa and not getting it out to the people who needed it. How do we change perspectives on that?

How do you convince European or Western countries that they need to spend some of their money getting some of this equipment to help test people in Africa. Yeah, the inequity on this has been quite severe, whether it's within the country who suffered the most or globally. Uh, you know who was last in line for the vaccines, the poor countries. If we, you know, can make it cheap enough, if we can have the capacity, uh put those factories in more places all over the world, uh them, we'll

have equity. You know, I was a little surprised during the epidemic people are like, oh, you know, saying, hey, we didn't get the vaccines there. Well, we have health and equity with all sorts of diseases. This isn't you know, this is day in and day out, we have an equity. But it's nice that this reminded them about infectious diseases. So you know, I'm talking to governments all the time about hey, let's give more, uh and help out and lift these countries up. Uh. There's a lot of distractions

out there. Budgets are super tight. I hope that cause keeps in people's minds and remains a priority. But fighting for those budgets of probably be tougher in this next year than ever before. Well, it's a fascinating book. Thank you so much for joining us on the show again. Good to see How to Prevent the Next Pandemic is available. Now we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back off the book. Thank you. Go wellbout ourselves for tonight.

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