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Hey there, this is Jordan Klepper and you're about to hear my special from a few years back, Jordan Klepper Solves Guns. Spoiler alerts. I did not solve guns. It was a hyperbolic comedic premiss meant to highlight the uniquely
American problem of gun violence. It's a no hour long documentary special inspired by some of my Daily Show field pieces, where I attempt to get at the heart of the gun controlled debate in America by talking with people on both sides, including Senator Corey Booker and my dad's cousin Pete. You can watch the full video version on Comedy Central's YouTube, and be sure to catch me hosting The Daily Show all next week at eleven ten pm Central. On Comedy Central.
I mentioned a warzone. I'm going to embed in a country with over three hundred million guns, a country where in twenty fourteen, thirty three thousand people died due to gun violence, A country whose citizens are twenty five times more likely to be murdered by a gun than any other civilized nation, to America. You ever shot it back up, back, back, back, back back, good the country I'm talking about. Is America good go? We don't have a permit ship gun turs
American as apple pie and short changing female workers. We buy them in bulk, tattoo them over our abdomens, and use them to kill more people than any other developed country.
All out panic Sunday morning after a gunman opens fire.
It was a pretty nasty fight that preceded the deadly shooting. Besides that, gun ranges are rare in our area. But it has happened before, and America is only getting gun here after electing the most pro Second Amendment and least First Amendment president in recent memory.
The NRA has led the fight time and time again to protect our fundamental.
Freedoms, leading the charge the National Rifle Association by supporting Trump's campaign with thirty million dollars, the big liest amount spent by any outside group, and they don't mind bragging about it in one of their classic green screen rams.
Gun owners made this election happen. You were the special courses that swung this election and send Donald Trump and Mike Pence to the White House.
With the twenty sixteen campaign behind them. The NRA has set its sights on a homegrown enemy the anti Second Amendment political and media elites, the government elite, bureaucratic elites. But who are these mysterious elites who want nothing less than to rip guns away from hard working Americans?
Me?
Woe am I? I'm Jordan Klepper, I'm enlightened, I'm progressive, and I feel like I was put on this earth to enact righteous change. AKA. I'm a twenty seventeen comedian. I have four brown rice cooker, twelve gay friends, and five podcasts. I tweet blogs, mean think pieces and tumble gifts powerful thought provoking gifts. Follow me on Instagram. As a television personality, I've repeatedly recorded on america obsession with guns. Despite my incredible efforts, guns are still a problem. Apparently
five minute segments aren't enough to solve America's gun crisis. Thankfully, Comedy Central has given me an hour long special. But today I don't just report on America's gun crisis. I solve the motherfucker. It's time somebody solved guns. Ie stopped the thirty three thousand gun deaths that happen in America every year. But first I need to define the problem guns. What is a gun? If you ask an NRA lobbyist.
He might say the gun is a symbol in American politics as much as it's a real thing. It's also a symbol.
Yeah, the gun is a symbol of a dick. If you got a little one, you go and get a gun. It's like the corvette for paranoid people. But how does that symbol impact a mother from the South side of Chicago.
I'm seeing gun violence and homes. I'm seeing gun violence in school. It's not a suburban problem or a city problem. It's an American problem.
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America is clearly divided.
The most violent places in this country have the strictest gun controls.
But the pain of gun violence is being felt across the country. In twenty sixteen, my hometown of Kalamazoo, Michigan, once known mainly for its booming cellery industry, micro breweries, and the country's first outdoor pedestrian mall, came to prominence for something much more horrific.
A prosecutor says, uber driver Jason Bryan Dalton gun down and killed six people Saturday in Kalamazoo, Michigan.
We are a.
Community that is much more than this episode of violence.
My family is from Kalamazoo. It's where I learned to wear a tie in shorts. This just got personal. Our country has three hundred million guns, or technically speaking, a shitload of guns in the hands of one hundred and ten million gun owners. My goal get those guns out of those trigger happy hands. I needed someone in power who shared my outrage when hearing that ninety two people die every day from gun violence.
There is enough blood, there is enough death.
Enough killing going on.
We have all the evidence we need that we need to do more. Doing nothing is unacceptable.
That was my guy. Senator Corey Booker has fought to keep guns off the streets of Newark and battled Congress to pass common sense gun reform. We'd figure out how to get rid of guns over international pancakes. Let's say this plate is America. Something on this plate will kill you. Bacon slash guns. Right, Americans love bacon slash guns, but too many Americans die because of bacon slash guns. So how do we stop dumb people from eating bacon?
Well, first of all, as you are ridiculously condemning when you call people dumb and you insult their intelligence. All right, Dad, I don't want to take away their bacon or their guns.
You're a Democrat, right, I am a Democrat, a liberal.
I am a guy that could be considered a liberal in my views.
Okay, so much so between you and me. Yes, getting rid of the Second Amendments.
Well, we're not going to get rid of the Second Amendment. It's something that we don't.
Want to do because you can't do it.
No, in order to make people safe, we don't need to throw out one of our constitutional amendments.
Yeah, but I mean, come on, how many constitutional amendments do we have?
Well, we've thrown out some of the past, which I'm really happy we did.
Yeah, you got to update these things, and this is maybe the second oldest one. You think I'm walking around here with an iPhone two.
That's the fear tactics that often people want you to believe that somebody's going to try to get rid of all the guns and somebody's coming after their guns. That is not a necessary thing.
Lord bacon slash guns placed. Booker, like many other Democrats, felt like his hands were tied. Last June, in response to the Pulse nightclub shooting, Senators filibuster to expand background checks and prevent gun sales to peace people on the terrorist watch list, while House Democrats staged to sit in which resulted in shit. All efforts to pass any meaningful regulations continue to get shot down by Republicans and the gun lobby, insisting these liberal elites are coming for your guns.
The tactic has been, not only are we going to not pass background check laws or close the terrorist loophole, but we're also going to take those agencies that could be helping us, the CDC ATF, and we're going to cripple them.
One agency that's being crippled is the ATF's National Tracing Center. Police nationwide use the Tracing Center to track firearms, solve violent crimes, and catch criminals before these weapons can be used again. I met with former ATF agent David Chipman to see the front line of America's war on gun crime.
Why are we here, Well, we're here because we're in a location that's vastly superior technology wise than ATF's Tracing Center.
This is the forefront of our battle against guns. This place with a guy masturbating over there at that computer.
The technology at the Tracing Center is like this library thirty or forty years ago.
So like the Library and the first Ghostbusters. Please tell me the Tracing Center at least now has women in it.
There are women at the Tracing Center. The reality is because they don't have computers, because they have.
Just they what they don't have computers.
It's against the law to have computers that house a searchable database that might be construed as a registry of guns.
In America, that's right. The country's only federal facility that helps police officers trace and solve gun crimes is literally forbidden to use computers to search gun records. Thanks to the lobby and power of the NRA. A nineteen eighty six federal law made it illegal for the Tracing Center to use searchable databases of any kind, in what legal scholars have called one of the most just plain dickish
laws in history. So instead of solving murders using base computing tools, the Tracing Centers roughly fifty employees process over three hundred and seventy thousand requests a year, scrambling through walls of boxes and going blind scanning microfiche machines from the seventies in twenty seventeen. Oh yeah, they also have so many boxes they fear their floor could cave in.
They keep records in steal storage spaces outside and they receive about two million new gun records a month, and you better hope they aren't in an Excel spreadsheet.
So if ATF receives any information from a gun dealer in an Excel spreadsheet which is searchable, they have to go through a complicated process of dumbing that information down.
Do you guys actually have to make it harder for yourselves?
Yes, a law enforcement agency needs to spend tax dollars making a document dumber.
Why do Americans make it so hard on ourselves to fix this gun problem?
The NRA raises a lot of money based on fear. They can make people scared that the big bad government agents like me fly in black helicopters, that if we had computerized gun records, then the government would take the guns.
We are so fucked. As I dramatically portrayed moving through this children's library with an ease and grace unknown to ATF agents, it became all too clear. Because of the gun lobby in America today, it's easier to find gun the book than gun the gun. And that's satire, right, and that's irony, and that's coincidence? Is it metaphor?
Problems is when it comes to getting legislation passed, there's a lot of people out there that are just pressured by the NRA not to take a step out and do what most Americans want them to do.
So what can we do a guy like me, just a regular guy who's a celebrity on TV with millions of followers. What can a little me do?
Go for and seek the truth and then tell people about it.
Maybe if we get the Tracing Center some computers, that's at least a step in the right direction.
It is a not a step that would be a leap into the twenty first century. That's necessary.
I love me a good leap.
Down down.
In a window list cargo van packed full of progress, I made my way into West Virginia hoping to solve something. I can see you, but I have no idea.
What are you're even doing here?
Drop it off some computers here for the Tracing Center, just to try to upgrade some of their technology. Can I just leave it here there? Somebody? It's some good stuff, okay, right out? So we're not going to ban guns, and apparently, when it comes to using technology to help deal with gun crime. The bureaucracy was thicker than I thought. The government was beholden to the NRA, and the NRA's power stemmed from one off, debated sentence written at a time
when guns were muskets and lightning was witchcraft. The Second Amendment. For over two hundred years, it's been consistently upheld by elected officials, and in two thousand and eight, the Supreme courtdinarily ruled that it's still granted all citizens the right to have guns a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep in bare arms shall not be infringed twenty seven words, and come a placement so strange it
may be responsible for thousands of deaths a year. Militias may have been in vogue in seventeen ninety one, but are they actually relevant today. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, estimates there were two hundred and seventy six active militias last year from forty two in two thousand and eight. Okay, so militias are booming, and they're clearly among the biggest proponents of the Second Amendment. I found one of those militias in the deep red South,
the Georgia Security Force. We the people are bloodthirsty. We the people will have no mercy. We are the predators, you the prey. Where the government failed, I would triumph. I would infiltrate the dark heart of the gun debate and convince militias to give up their guns. If I could do that, then the rest of the gun owners would surely follow, and once and for all, gun would be Saul Jordan. The Georgia State Militia is led by Chris hill Or, as he prefers to be called General
Blood Agent. Yes, sir, what would it take for me to convince you that you don't need a gun anymore?
You probably have to check my polts.
So the only way I'm gonna get your gun is to pry it out of your cold dead hands.
Absolutely, or after I run out of AMMO. Yeah, you want to come and take it? Sure would disarm one bullet at a time.
Fine, My master plan of asking nicely had failed our hands.
Well, this group of.
Forty odd members who met once a month, we're serious about one thing, training and keep saking their training two things. I need to earn their trust. So what is behind this need to have giant firearms.
We are going to stand up for the second member right. We are not going to yield one iota. I personally feel like the government has breached its contract with the people the House. They constantly put bills on the floor limiting the type of firearm you can have, or limiting the magazine capacity of these weapons, or creating gun free zones.
Do you really feel like the government is limiting your access to guns? And I think I tripped over four on the way here.
If I want an automatic weapon, fully automatic, I should have a fully automatic weapon.
Should you.
It's to protect myself from harm and more importantly, to protect our country from tyranny. I feel safe knowing that there's people like us that if there's a gunman and it's not in a gun free zone, there may be somebody there that can kill the individual that's attempting to harm other people.
That sounds great, but it's been shown that a good guy with a gun does not stop a bad guy with the gun. You're not hanging out in those malls, You guys are out here in the fucking middle of nowhere.
What I guess that depends on what demographic you're looking at because some people talk about it and some people are going to be about it.
We're going to defer to ban kiss Well. I'm more confused than ever. I need to understand the methods of these man scouts, so I took in an intense lecture by Blood Agent.
He has got the unit, Russian Infant Regulars equipment AK forty seven's RPGs, things of that nature. Not fed the cow, but shit like that.
As the group prepares to go on a top secret reconnaissance mission, I realized they were never going to give up their guns to some buttoned up East Coast liberal. I have to make an effort to fit in, to become one of them. Does everybody here get a cool nickname?
Yes, sir?
If you don't have one, will help give one for you.
Could I be a cold brew or if that's taken a French press.
Colbrew works better?
I think you like that? Yes, sir, feels very bold yet smooth finish. Oh yeah, definitely, I have my name. Time to gear up, right, I'll change Yeah?
Okay, hey guys.
Oh my god, he's got a camouflage.
Time.
I got the hints. No Blood Agent, they though I have adopted their wardrobe choices, it still feels like openly carrying a weapon is less about safety and more about intimidation.
Is threatening you in any way right now?
Yes, you're wearing a rifle? Do you not think this is an all threatening.
No, it's not being banished.
You're freaking Santa clausing it right out at me right now, so that you're pointing it at me by wearing a rifle.
So a law enforcement points surf weapons that you ever you see them.
But they're also wearing badges that are like, we are law enforcement. I'm trying to see these guns. It's something other than weapons of war, but it's tough since they are trapped to combative men in full dress camo. Is that like the new Town gun or that the Aurora gun? Is it the Orlando gun?
No?
No, similar? This is Tanner Wite, Hanna White. Yes, what are you gonna do with it?
Well, we're gonna blow the hog's head Jordan's.
Cards. Look out for the gun.
All right now. They have the severed head of a pig that they're prying open with a knife so they can fill it with explosives to shoot it with a gun. Can tannerite, it's not explosives. It's like the founding fathers did it.
No, they used that powder and cannon balls. Right, So.
I'm failing to connect, and the line between training and camping is getting blurrier by the second. Somebody poured gas lead on the fire, right, Yeah, that's a that's a that's a bad move. I am desperate to plant the seed of sanity by any means necessary. You want to hear a scary story, Yes, there's a babysitter, but the child she was babysitting to bed. It was a quiet night. Suddenly the phone rings unexpectedly and she picks it up. On the other end of the phone, somebody tells her
that most gun accidents happen inside the house. Okay, that if you have a gun inside the house, you're more prone to be open to an accident inside the house. This is hopeless. All they want to do is shoot stupid guns at a stupid pig's head. This idea that good guys with guns would make our country safer proved questionable when, after a full day of training, a dozen Georgia good guys struggled to blow up a pig's head with over two hundred rounds of ammo spirits are a
little bit down. Then we're gonna re prop the pig back up because it fell down, and they're gonna try to shoot it again. Three types of truck, the fourth, fourth time, fourth time, the truck. These Second Amendment purists won't give up their guns even a little. I have failed. Looks like I'm in for a long night. Spending the night with the militia is a heroine experience. It's open and one I hope to never have is that the flowerless chocolate cake put it on the bed. One of
them call themselves kill zone. You want to hang uh nohing, So the tracing center won't accept my tax to duct solution. This is all I can afford, to be honest. It's just from the eighties, and the militia refuses to be swayed by my Shelley esque tails. You heard the scary story of the gun show loophool no reading one of my favorite liberal fact blogs. I hit this, if just one in every one hundred voters shifted from Trump to Clinton, Hillary would have been president. And that's from Nate Silver,
who statistically has never ever been wrong. Bingo changing one person's mind could be just as effective as swaying millions. And that's not a lowering of expectations. It's just being smart. I don't need to change all gun owners' minds. I just need to change one. I need a place with minds that could be easily swayed. And then it hit me. I was from there, Michigan, a blue state gone red. It is time to head home, surver it discover.
How are you, sir? Welcome home? So here we are. We're here Kalamazoo.
Bobby, tell me this, what is the gun debate like here in Kalamazoo.
We've had a tragedy in our community.
What we're trying to do in Kalamazoo is figure out how you move forward.
This tragedy will not define us, it will not divide us, and it will not defeat us.
Even in the months following the mass shooting in Kalamazoo, the community and legislators were having difficulty addressing gun violence.
Right now, a lot of the legislators are worried about what the NRA is going to say about that type of legislation, even though the vast majority of voters support it.
Is the NA that much of a boogeyman here.
The TERA spends a lot of money on elections, and they don't just do that in the federal level, they do it at the state level too.
Michigan ed Helms was right. The gun debate tends to focus on national policy, but many battles are being fought more on the local level. In places like Michigan, state legislators need to raise between fifty to one hundred thousand dollars in campaign contributions every couple of years just to stay competitive. One big donation can make or break a small race, giving well funded national groups more power to influence local politicians than their constituents. I've been trying to
get people to get rid of guns. Is that gonna happen here in Kalamazoo?
Now people use guns in their daily lives Here in Michigan. I think you're really missing where the real conversation is. It happens in the middle.
Okay, So if I was going to find this middle, where would that be?
Go talk to some gun owners, say what they think.
I came up with the idea all by myself to talk to some Michigan gun owners. From everything I've seen on television, I expected gun owners to act like this.
Seventeen seventy six, will convince.
Again if you'd try to take our firearms. Do you understand? Instead they acted like this kind of normal. But where is that malleable mind I could convince to give up their gun. I need a fool proof structure that boils down the stories of Middle Americans and makes them sparkle. Seven moderate gun owners.
My name is Sheila Gary.
I'm a gun owner.
I own three shotguns.
I own three pistols. My hobbies are listening to music, mottle, rail roading.
I will choose one and change their mind about guns. Welcome to the moderate. It's like our first guest is coming on up. It's a beautiful Anderson Castle. It's a falling six degrees. I'm looking for someone to fall in love with my ideas. Gary, thanks to be true. Thanks for pulling the trigger and coming on up.
Very good.
David, thanks to be too. Thanks just going on just every just everybody, just just it's a fucking called get great, Get in there.
Yeah.
Welcome to Historic Henderson Castle and Historic Kalamazoo. Excited about you guys, one on one, get to know you. We're gonna talk about life, love, guns, mostly guns, mostly be talking about guns. Hi, tell me who is David the gun Owner.
David the gun Owner is a kid that grew up in a household that had literally a firearm in every corner.
Did you grow up in Mogadishu, Wellsboro, Pennsylvania. Wellsboro, Pennsylvania, very rural.
Built my first firearm with my grandfather.
I built a savings account with my grandpa, so similar. Let's trying to find some common ground on things that don't involve killing something.
I like comedy.
Great, you see any style I have?
Not, even though you're all over YouTube.
Biden didn't even sit and watch any of that. I did look up your bio to know that you are from Kalamazoo.
Great, but you didn't see any of the videos. No Ah, none of my videos.
I thought it went very well. I'd love to talk to him more about this.
Bye.
Rick.
Hi, Hi, I'm Rick.
I'm from Detroit, Michigan, and I run a blog called Legally Armed in Detroiter. My relationship with firearms started approximately eleven twelve years ago. I was surprised by two nineteen twenty year olds who were armed with the gun. I went and I purchased a firearm. Then I made a decision to become a firearms instructor.
Definite vibe going on with Rick. Maybe we'll get a chance to talk a little bit later. There are a lot of fully loaded minds here that I could see myself going to the range with.
Literally, I've taught thousands of women how to shoot. The self confidence that they get out of learning something new doesn't necessarily have to be a firearm too.
Men get self confidence after sure, absolutely they do. I hit it off better with some than others. I don't like the words a salt weapon. Every weapons are assault weapon.
If I wanted to take your life bad enough, that.
Is a weapon.
There is one mind here I know I'm going to relate to because I'm literally related to him. That Pete, What up? Pete's a great guy. I've noted my entire life. How's the houseboat?
The duck boat is very good. You don't have a houseboat, Nelson. He has not been around the family much lately. His whole career has taken him away from the area, and so he's kind of out of touch.
I know Pete the cousin. They're about Pete the gun owner.
I have three guns they're all shotguns, and I strictly use them for hunting.
Pete listens, which is great because I like to talk to and at people. I think you consider yourself open minded when it comes to guns.
I would be willing to discuss.
That's almost a yes, it's group day time. I really need them to show me why they deserve to have their minds changed.
Entery is.
It's a great program. They're the ones that are going to go and fight for our rights.
If you don't know.
How a gun works, you're scared of it, or whatever, let's talk about it.
I brought three copies of the Constitution, just in case I don't know what we were going to encounter today.
The simple truth is we have to take care of the drug drink.
More people die from heroin overdoses than they do from gunshots in this country.
It's like machine gun fire out there. This is perfectly quiet.
Your wife wouldn't even know you were shooting upstairs.
I live in New York. There's no upstairs. Do you want to take a little walk outside?
We can't.
I had a chance to talk with Jordan.
If there was some give and take back and forth, some good exchanges. I'm armed unless I have a reason not to be. Fundamental safety is the responsibility of each individual and not law enforcements. If he was willing to share where he's coming from and see where that conversation goes, I'd be open to it.
This is really hard. Unfortunately some of you have to go home tonight. I think Ian you have a heart out at seven for a parent teacher conference. Yes, either way, it's goodbye. And that was the time where I have to choose one of you whose mind I will change, and I choose Pete. Pete, will you be my moderate?
Absolutely?
Why do I choose Pete? He seems moderate and open to discussion, but I try to change that. Doma yours? Good luck with that. Great Now he's my cousin and I'm less likely to get shot by a family member. Really, is the pencil guy still here? Everybody else? Thank you?
Pete?
Come just yuck?
Yep.
I had my moderate pace up. Now I need a surefire tactic to repair his pro gun opinion. Luckily, I have to look no further than the one organization that consistently holds sway over many gun owning brains, the NRA. The New York Times has labeled them the most effective civil rights group in the US today, which is a real fuck you to everyone at the Human Rights Campaign.
Their tactics highly localized political pressure, a buttload of fear Americana, and patriotic manipulation delivered in front of a green screen by a man in a suit.
The ultimate check and balance in this country is the American people.
But perhaps the NRA's biggest asset. They're intense year round lobbying.
Everyone says, oh, they run a grassroots lobby, There really aren't very many of those. Not the real deal. The NRA is the real deal.
What are their tactics?
You use everything you can. Lobbyist is someone that is hired by someone else to represent their interests. There was a lot of people who feel like the systems against them, and they're hiring the NRA and me as a lobbyist to represent their interests and play the game for them.
What do you do after being a NRA lobbyist cosby apologist? What what better way to change as stubborn family member's mind than hiring a real life lobbyist to do it? So the next day I flew in Mark Anderson, a Florida based certified lobbyist with over fifteen years experience to convince Pete to give up his guns. That's a nice soon, thank you. Pete has opinions I need him to lose, and Mark has a case I need him to make.
Heading to Great Lake Shipping Company steakhouse where Kalamazoo's deal makers, big wigs and little league teams rub elbows up with these cameras up on these tripods and I'm gonna let you guys b I gave Mark some facts about Pete and I told him to try to get Pete to give up his guns through whatever it is lobbyists too.
Well, Pete, it's nice to meet you. I'd like to get to know you a little bit more and just personally. Can you tell me a little more about yourself? Why do you have a gun?
I have guns for Dug Conning.
Enough with the chit chat. It's time for the big guns. Statistics.
Guns are designed for one thing, and that's to kill. A woman's risk of being murdered increases five hundred percent if a gun is in the home. When you look at the states and the cities and even some of the countries that have gone through this by making them less available. They have seen a significant decline in the number of gun deaths in their country.
Statistics are great, but sometimes you need a little more information.
I recognize these glazed overlooks from every family get together. Pete isn't buying it.
Well, Mark, there's one thing that I don't know if you know. It's yes, guns are designed to kill things, but they're also fun. My daughter and son in law duck hunt with me. We have lots of memories of that.
Well. The good thing is that we're going to start that.
We're talking to each other, right, I'm not going to get you to believe that guns are bad.
Twitter, We gotta spice this up. You can't just throw in the towel like that. Mark's blah blah blah approach had failed. Now it's on me to make Pete give up his guns. I'll have to bump up the game to lobbying two point zero. Pete needs to literally face facts. So I'm going to take those stats and put them on something no gun supporter can take their eyes off of. A god damn race car. Guns aren't bad. The writing isn't just on the wall, it's also on two sides.
The hood and the roof of the past car of fruit. Pete should have no problem seeing that I was the Dave Earnhardt Junior of Reezon good old number thirty three thousand, five hundred and ninety nine gone deaths per year, nine people.
There's a stat on the other side.
What is it?
I actually haven't been able to see it.
Good violence kis more Americans?
The terrorism p t percent of fire arms that.
You had when I left Florida it was seventy seven degrees, Pete.
What the heck it changed your mind?
No?
What don't you like?
Dask Gunner?
No, sir, seriously, no Nascar shit?
Any ready? How much does it cost?
Fuck? He wasn't open to negotiation. Hopefully the folks at the Rentel car agency were. Apparently. In today's America, it is a herculean task to get anyone to shift their opinions, even your own flesh and blood. As every third op ed will tell you, we are a fractured country. More than eight and ten Americans say the nation is divided. But how difficult is it for the average American to
legitimately change what their brain thinks? To find out, I went to Emory University to meet with doctor Stephen Hammond, a psychology professor who specializes in functional brain imaging. Let's say, hypothetically, I have a cousin named and I'm trying to change his mind, but it won't change, even though it should because I have all of the facts and I'm on TV, for God's sakes.
It's actually very, very difficult to change someone's mind, especially if you're trying to do it on a short term basis. Because people developed their beliefs over almost a lifetime.
What about within like an hour special.
Well, you probably don't want to give them charts and figures and those sorts of things.
As a liberal, those are my weapons of choice. I come with a gun loaded with Malcolm Gladwell tidbits and a New Yorker think basis.
When people are confronted with information that doesn't match their beliefs, their political beliefs, the first response is an automatic threat response. So unfortunately, that tends to shut down rational thought.
Even if that informations on a snazzy Nascar I don't think that makes too much of a difference. Okay, so that's a thousand dollars and you just never get back shit with selfless bravery usually shown only by astronauts and radiation scientists in disaster movies. I shall sacrifice my body for the betterment of our country. It's time to get a good look at my thinking machine.
How are you doing there, Jordan, great, We're just about ready to start.
Doctor Hammond showed me a series of images that gauged my response to both pro and anti gun sentiment. It's like watching only the boring parts of a clockwork orange So what is this?
These are visual areas, So these would be lighting up when you're looking at visual things like pictures.
What are these?
Those are eyes?
Eyes? Okay, I'm just still getting used to what I'm looking at, but yeah, I knew that. Oh, I see it.
One thing that's interesting for you, though, is when you were looking at the pro gun people, there's not a whole lot of activity. It's almost like you're not engaging. But when you're looking at anti gun messages, we found there's a lot of activation here when people are having positive and also when they're thinking about their own group.
So what do you do when you confront somebody who is wrong with information that is obviously right?
I think the first step would be to empathize with someone else. What if I weren't a liberal, What if I were a conservative? What kind of things would be important to me?
Probably be really into guns. I want to have a gun in my home, Probably want to sleep with the gun. I probably would go to church every now and then. I'd have a bald eagle. Can you own bald eagles? I don't know. So what I'm understanding here is it's important for me to see this issue from the other side, to take don't don't know, Okay, I get to talk to the camera. That's my audience. I need to see this issue from another side, the conservative point of view. I'm gonna have to get gun as far.
That's it.
The only way to solve guns is to change my own mind. I must learn not to fear the old steel, but to love it. I need to find a gun sherpa, someone who's sheer gunness will pass through and obliterate my preconceived notions like a hollow point ar something or other. Does someone exactly like this?
All right?
Time for blaize ops, simple mechanics.
Drill today to MAGSI five rightful to MAGSI five pistol.
This is Pat McNamara, retired US Army Special Ops Turn tactical marksmanship instructor some of that, with a YouTube following almost as impressive as mine. If anyone could make soft liberal me gun as fuck, this is the dude.
Fucking rule, burn it down.
I look at that like a lion. You gonna help me get my blaze up?
Yep, that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna gas it up and burn it down.
Okay, what does that mean. It's just it's a slang term, gash it up and burn it down.
Yeah, yeah, you'll catch on.
That's uh shoot some guns all right.
Hey, real quick fundamentals. Yeah, we need to make sure that we're gripping this correctly.
So Pat took me through the basics of gun safety. Well, yep, all emphasis on.
That guy right there.
He was like my own personal red State don Quixote.
Let's put some eyes and ears on and go get our blaze on.
Let's get our get our blazer.
Yeah, right on, rock and roll, blaze on.
It's intense right now, we'll get a rock and we'll get a roll. There's some sort of blaze. Ops that's about to happen.
Gun slinger, that's right, just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're armed. It's a responsibility in conjunction with buying that firearm to get training so you know safe operation of it, and you could apply the fundamentals you go to press out nice and slow at the trigger. A typical course of mine is twenty folks, everything from top level l EO's law enforcement officers to the assistant manager of the botanical gardens librarians, to a lot of it guys.
Could you make me a man? Pat Mac?
I could probably turn you around. Yeah, yeah, I had to take a little work, just a little bit. I am all right ready for that.
I can't help but have second thoughts, no doubt. Pat Mac is a cool guy who I totally want to make my best team. But am I seriously trying to become one with a semi automatic? Professor Hammond's thesis about empathizing with the other side is foolish. I hate guns and that's a rock hard fat Oh my god, what is this feeling?
Miss?
Miss?
You don't have to keep saying, miss.
We're gonna get the heart thumping a little bit. We'll get a boogie on over to that fast rope climb it come back, load up, the rifle. Five hits on the forest deel, set it down, Load up the pistol, five hits on the close steel. I'll demo it real.
Quick for you.
Oh you ready, I'll come along a right, stand by right With my heart plumping in more ways than one, I could feel the Second Amendment taking hold of me. Is this what all the hype is about? Our gun's fun? My blue liberal brain is flooded with hot, red blood, and I can't help but feel conflicted. Yeah, yeah, I feel it. Burn it down?
Yeah up.
I don't know how to handle this new feeling that I have. I shot a gun and I enjoyed it.
You liked it?
Yeah, it's a feeling of power, it really is.
Do I need to feel guilty for liking that? I don't think.
So.
Three thousand people die every year because of gun violence.
Yeah, it's horrible.
It's a lot of deaths.
Yep, not as many as cars.
Well, we regulate cars.
Yeah.
What do you think of universal background checks?
I don't see any issue with it.
What about like a waiting period? Is that a too long to have a three day waiting period?
Nope, it's not.
No shit. I don't know how we can close this divide between the left side of the country who supports universal background checks on the other side of the country.
That supports universal background checks.
I felt an incredible wave of realization. Have I not been listening? Was there agreement? What about a background check?
Yeah, if it's been adjudicated and a person is seen unfit, then yes, I would agree to that now.
And I know there are issues with the Tracing Center. Do you promote making it easier for ATF to get the job done?
What if they have to do the fix the system? What good is it going to do if the right information isn't in it.
I'm a lifelong member of the NRA, but I'm not sure that everything they do is in the best interest of everybody at hand.
Oh my god, there was common ground on both sides.
I carried a gun for twenty five years every day, and I believe it helped me make the public safe and help keep me safe.
Most people agree on most of the issues. It's just when it gets to Lansing or DC somehow it all falls apart.
We have much more in common than we do that divides us. Really, I profoundly believe that.
Shit, there is one person I need to see again. Hey Pete, Hey Jordon cousin. Pete had been the subject of my attempt to change a gun owner's mind. Now I want to know if we too share more than just partial DNA. If you had to break down what I'm not hearing you say, what am I missing?
Most of the legal gun owner have no issue with background checks, waiting periods, and regulating gun shows.
We're not that different, correct, Maybe we actually aren't that divided. Why had I been blaming these gun owners because I was listening to the loudest person on the block who represents like half of America.
Right.
Technically, it's five percent of the gun owners in this country are members of NRA, that's all. But in a democracy, five percent of activists can be a very powerful number of people.
So out of one hundred and ten million gun owning Americans, only four million actually belonged to the NRA. A lot of Americans agree on common sense gun regulations, but the NRA and gun manufacturers distort the debate to make people feel like they disagree more than they actually do. In fact, much like the non gun owners, eighty seven percent of gun owners and seventy four percent of NRA members support criminal background checks for anyone buying a gun. So who
does the NRA actually represents? You See, if the NRA was a dick, it'd be a very small dick that talks about how big their dick is but never whips it out because it's a small dick. Today, I'm prepared to come face to face with that tiny penis. Yeah, I'm looking for the National Rifle Association. You are who you looking for? I'm television's Jordan Klepper. Your television is
Cloye who. I've been traveling across the country talking to a lot of different Americans, and uh, it turns out the NRA doesn't seem to represent a lot of their own ideals. So I just wanted to have a meaning, a little chin with some NRA folks. Okay, well you have.
To I don't.
Well that didn't work either did tweeting or emailing or even voicemails. So screw up. If you can't beat them, steal from them. A small group that affects big change. Their strength is the devotion of their members aka people giving a shit. I finally know how to solve guns. Make you solve guns totally counts doing nothing means thirty three thousand people died to gun violence next year. Imagine lowering that by just three percent or one thousand lives.
Imagine the impact that would have on the families and the communities. Do you know what I'm saying, America? If we pull together, really work hard, really fucking work hard, next year, we could kill thirty two thousand people. So here's an idea forget less guns, think more people. Saving lives doesn't mean becausin he can't go hunting with his daughter in Michigan, or that Pat Mac can't go shooting ars while deadlifting kettlebells in North Carolina, or blood agent
can't shoot at a pig. He's gonna miss. Saving lives starts right here, No, not here, maybe hopefully here. This is tomorrow. A mother from Chicago who.
Got tired of seeing violence in my neighborhood. So I decided to end it, even if I had to do it myself. So I got a lawn chair, got some hot dogs, got a few friends. I went out to the corner. I started feeding people when giving out hugs, and it's almost stopped gun violence in my neighborhood.
I work for those hugs.
They're absolutely free.
Give me one of those.
I'm on here.
You're leaving good money on the table. Tomorrow is just one American. One person. Is this percent of the population. I'm not really sure how to say that number, but it's a pretty small percentage for the impact she's having, and Tomorrow is not alone and working to save lives. Lad Heads Up a group that was created in response to the Orlando mad shooting.
One Pulse for America is a Facebook group that posts daily action alerts to pressure lawmakers to enact life saving gun reform.
Follow them on Facebook. Community outreach is important, and so is education. This is Chante and Nancy from Lipstick.
If you want to educate and empower women and girls to refuse to be used to take.
A life, I'm gonna keep running. There's the National Network to End Domestic Violence.
This is KIM.
Three women every day are murdered in domestic violence, overwhelmingly with a gun. It's our job to reduce that number.
Across America. There are tons of organizations that are actively working to lower gun violence. Whether you're a gun owner or not, there are things you can do to affect change. Do lazy to google it?
Yeah?
Thought so. That's why I created Jordan kleppersolves dot com to hold your hand through the process of contacting organizations making a difference in your area. Saving Americans is something we can all get behind, but maybe it's more easily digestible with green and a cartoonishly patriotic message delivered. Buy some guy in a suit. What makes America America? Americans do? And since more Americans make America more American, thirty three
thousand dead means less America. Let's make more America. Let's keep America more America. Let's keep fighting in America, preferably with something other than guns. So go online and do something. And while you're there, maybe check out my YouTube videos. Do your thing.
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