Jon Stewart's Epic Showdown With Bill O'Reilly & Mike Huckabee

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Well, all right, my gut.

Tonight he's the host of The O'Reilly Factor on the Fox News program channel. His new book is called Killing Patten, A strange death of World War Two is most audacious General. He's welcome back to our program, mister William O'Reilly.

William pop a seed.

I'm glad given the Abola scare, you still are shaking my hand. I think, uh that's a positive step. I know you're very frightened, and I just want to tell you everything's going to be okay. There you go, baby, You've got going that's settled down.

Uh.

The book is called, uh Miller Riley, Killing Patton. It's like with the eighth we're just gonna call this series killing Trees. They still that grazy with one of them. Uh, you didn't what you didn't read it though, No, I did not read it. I'm gonna wait for the lifetime series.

But I want you to direct it.

I will do.

I want you to direct it.

I'd be happy to do. You know, I'm a director. Now.

I know you have a vampire movie coming out something like that.

It's it's one of them tween movies where love is found unexpectedly.

That's the theme of Killing Patton.

No, it's not. Here's what I love about this. Look at that. Look at the cover there. It's just like Pattern's just sitting there and Hitler's just giving him the eyeballs. Look at that. Look at Hitler. I'm gonna get you, all right, listen to me. Here's Here's all I want from you today. This is it. This is all we got to do in this conversation.

Okay, just one.

I have one simple goal. I want you to admit that there is such a thing as white privilege.

That's all I want to know.

I knew you were.

That's it, just a little.

I just I just want you to say, I am I'm terribly terribly wrong on this. I just want you to look in your case.

There is white privilege than the fact that you're here, sitting there. He doesn't even doesn't even look at you.

What shave?

What there isn't no shave.

The truth is from not It's called Jewish privilege.

It happens.

We are we are a here suit people. You you have said, you stated this. There is no I don't believe that there's a thing called white privilege. It is not. See now okay, Now, now we have a conversation, we can.

Okay, Look, if there is white privilege, then there has to be Asian privilege. What does Asians make more money than whites?

What you don't know?

What of this?

Huh?

Well not not?

What kind of Asian you have to Asian Americans? Well, America depends on where they're from. If you're looking at.

Differrom Asia, they're Asian Americans.

I understand that.

But as if they make.

More money, with higher education, more affluent. So it's Asian privilege, not white privilege. You're you're missing the point, and I'm sorry to confuse you with fact.

You're not.

It's not the that's the Okay, here we go. The Asian experience in America, the Asian immigrant experience is very different from the black exp Yes, so it's really they're not equivalent. And either way, white people, males set the system. So that's what privileges is that that white people set the system. That. Yes, maybe Asian immigrants, once immigration policy was liberalized, have done better over these past thirty or forty years, but there has been a systemic, systemic, systematized

We're done. You just you just did it.

You just didn't.

That's all. That's all.

That's what happened to that hand sanitizer.

Look, that's all that was.

That was then, this is now.

It's no what there was.

White privilege, it no longer exists.

Maybe you haven't figured out that there is no more slavery, no more Jim Crow.

Right, all right, and are the most powerful man in the world. Oh boy, here we go a black American and the most powerful woman in the world Oprah Winfrey is black.

Okay.

Being able to give people a free car does not make you the most powerful.

Because with oph no, no, come in here and shave you.

I see the issue here. You don't believe that the residual effect of I mean, slavery and Jim Crow are dead. But the residual effects of that systemic subsitucation exist today.

Absolutely exists.

Let's go a different way.

It exists for every race, not at that extent.

So that's white.

So you but you don't put forth all right, this oh white privilege. And if you fail, that's why you fail. All right. America is now a place where if you work hard, get educated, and an honest person, you can succeed. That's what should be put out there.

You are carrying all this carrying. You are carrying more of a burden as a black person in this country than a white person in this country from collectively, yes, but not individually.

You listen, every.

Even though they've done far more damage to the accounty.

Don't stop white people, white people.

White people do more drugs in this country than black people, but black people make up a far higher majority of them.

You know why that, yes, you do know why that is?

Why is that because black people? It's about real estate. To some extent, there has been a systemic subjugation through real estate. Black people are ghetto wised in this country.

They have to live there. Is that what you're telling?

Oh, you're getting to a bad place, my friend.

Listen, all right, this is the usual white guilty liberal.

This is not guilty. I don't feel guilty.

You should.

Why you're getting paid for this?

Well?

What you mean for this?

Yeah?

All right, let's go back to be very guilty. Culturally, No, no, no, no, what made you culture? Do you think upbringing gave you values? Ethics?

Yes, it did.

You were you didn't grow up rich, right, No, we didn't.

You worked hard money at all?

I did? You worked hard? You lived where Levittown, Levittown, New York. So it gave you a nice stable, a cheap home. There was no down payments. There was this incredible opportunity. No, those houses was just subsidized.

Yeah, it wasn't last. They weren't subsidized, but they were sold to gis and the GI's got a mortgage they could afford. Look, but let me let me just ask me quite a huge mistake.

No, no, no, no, no, let me just ask you a question. Yes, did that upbringing leave a mark on you? Even today?

Of course every upbringing me rais a mark on it.

Great people.

Could black people live in Levittown? Not at that time it could not, so that my friend might call in the business white privilege.

Okay, that was in ninety No that that was in nineteen fifty, all right, nineteen fifty, nineteen fifty.

Were there are black people living there in nineteen six in Levittown? I don't know there weren't. How do you know?

Because I read up? Oh you read up?

You don't know that I do. I can find somebody.

My point is this even today?

Why would you want to live there.

It's a nice place, but it's not a place like you. It's not like.

There because it's the place that built values. What you don't understand is there.

Imagine what millions of black neighborhoods that built value.

But imagine knowing that you, as an American, as a g I who fought in World War two, couldn't buy into that because you were less.

It was you were not there.

It was unfair, and.

The residue of that continues today. And that is white privilege.

It's all right. If you want to say it's white privilege, it exists. Fine, but that's not what's happening here in contemporary society.

Yes it is.

No, it's not.

If you let me repeat this and I'll do.

It slowly, all right.

So even you can understand, if you work hard, if you get educated, if you're an honest person, you can make it in America.

If you live in a neighborhood where people are poverty is endemic, it's harder to work hard. It's harder to get education.

Hey, it was harder for me than it was for the white guy in Garden City. It's all relative Yes, it's harder if you're a ghetto kid.

Yes, But can you do it? Yes, yes you can.

You can also win the one hundred yard desh on one leg.

But it's harder, all right, and just hard asking is this? Here's all I'm asking.

Here's all I'm asking, because this would go a long way towards healing what I think is a huge racial issue in our country. Just an acknowledgment of that.

Fair And I've said it many times on The Factor, the highest rated cable news show in the world. All Right, the African American is.

Not Kelly yet.

Oh she's crushing you, dude, she's crushing you.

Now you're misleading, discushing you, You're misleading.

All right.

All I'm saying is you have misanitizer against you.

Admit.

So here's my point. So we've come to agreement. You admit that white privilege exists. And while it's not an excuse, it does is a reality.

Exists to any extent where individuals are kept back because of their color or promoted because of their color. Look, you and I are lucky guys. We made it. We worked hard.

It's not because we're white.

Wait, well, oh, you think I'm sitting here because I'm white?

What are you more?

I'm here because I'm not just not because I'm white.

No, listen, miss, The point is.

This when you when you try and when you try and reduce it to being solely about that. Absolutely, But my point is this, women face this and minorities face this. They have to make strategic calculations in their lives that white guys never have to make. We never have to We never have to worry about walking down certain streets because somebody's gonna cat call us. We never have to worry about if when we move into a neighborhood we're

If I had a movement, you're naven to be accepted. I wasn't accepted anywhere. Look, you're generalizing, and you're you're what you're doing is promoting victimhood.

No no, no, no yet, all right, what you call victim. But what I'm saying is by acknowledging that reality that the resentment and just and let's so, what I don't understand is why so defensive about it? Why why is it that white people get so defensive about this. I'm not saying that life isn't hard. Middle class white guys that are working hard to do what they can and they look and they go, I'm not getting any privilege. That's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about

We knowlledge move that who are fair minded. But you don't then take that and then condemn the modern society because it's condemned.

Yes you are.

It's white privilege that makes you successful. I even heard it over you know, if you're not a woman.

It's you know what I'll call it. I'll call it this and it's a word. I think you'll understand. A factor. It's a factor. It's a factor.

I'll give you the factor business.

You did me the factory. So so we're okay.

Are we on the air?

We've been on the air the whole time. Let me tell you something.

This was This was a.

Beautiful moment in in healing between between not just black and white, jew and Irish, tall and short.

This This was.

A historic moment.

Yeah, you're happy now, Stuart, you're are you happy?

Happiness is not what comes by me. But let me say this, your humility has moved me. You are like Pope Francis that has taken the Catholic Church into an era of acceptance and humility. You, you, Bill O'Reilly, can lead the flock of the fox fearful to a better place. I believe in you.

All right, my guess tonight.

Former governor of Arkansas, former presidential candidate, also a best selling author. His new book is God, Guns, Grits and Gravy, which happens to be the name of my theme restaurant. Please welcome back to the program, Mike Couckabee, Sir, beautiful hug.

How are you.

I'm doing great, good to be back.

I want to talk to you. This is all right. The book is called God's Guns, Grits and Gravy. You you have a show on Foxes. You had a show.

I had a show.

How long did you have it?

For six and a half years and you and you quit?

Yes?

One for president?

Well, very likely, very possible.

Let me let me tell you something. Go back and beg them for you have made a terrible, terrible what.

Are you doing.

See that's the view of the people who live in the bubbleville that I talk about in this book.

What do you mean America?

No?

Now, the whole point is that there are there's a real clash of cultures, and there is a disconnect between people who live in the bubbles of New York, Washington, and Hollywood versus the people who live in the land of the bubbas.

It sounds like there's an idea that there is a sense of like, well, people who live on the coasts are not real that you're talking about, Like the bubbas are real and we're not.

No, it's not a matter of reality. It's a matter of different perspective. I'll give you an example. Sure, there's a big difference between people who are well educated than people who are smart, and a lot of people who are very well educated who are 's say, the Harvard faculty believe that the people who live out in this part of the world where I live and fly over country, those red states that people think most people are nuts.

But you believe that the bubbas are better than the bubbles.

No different, no better.

I want to explain.

Who we are to the people who live in the bubbles. Because those of us who live in Bubbaville, we get the people in the bubbles, because all the television shows and movies are.

All about the people in the bubbles.

You don't six and a half years, I've come to New York and I've seen the difference in the attitudes and lifestyles and culture. It's not that one is better. You believe it would be Bubbaville. Here's what I would take that point about it.

But this feels like it's a contrivance. There's no real Bubbleville and Bubbaville. You have this idea of the Hollywood culture and the example you sort of use Jay Z and Beyonce as an example of that. You view that as a sort of a permissiveness that you think is not great for our children. Is that is that correct?

Well, it was one page out of a tree.

But it's representative of that ideas illustrated.

To a chapter called the culture of Crude.

And here's the point that I was making with right with the whole Beyonce is such a mega talent. She can do anything. I mean she really She's got the pipes to sing exactly, She's got the moves to dance. She does not have to go to she doesn't have to be vulgar in order to set a trend exactly.

And you see that as indicative of the difference between Bubbaville and Bubbleville, because we are more permissive in that way, right.

Not necessarily, it's that the thing that disturbs me. Let's say about when you see Beyonce, who is a role model to young girls, young girls sure to be like her. Do you know any parent who has a daughter that says, honey, if you make really good grades, someday when you're twelve or thirteen, will get you your own stripper poll.

I mean, come on, John, we don't.

Think that's diminishing beyond away. That's that's truly a great much so that it is. But now here's where I'm going to show you something. Okay, here's the blind spot are Bubbaville?

Okay?

All this stuff about the culture and it's so insidious and it's just you don't have to do that. This is a clip from a very wholesome show on Fox News.

I know where you're going with this.

I hope you did.

I do play the clip, okay, I.

With a stroke of my hand.

They know they get it for me. No, just live a decent man.

They know you.

Just stand So that is a song called cat Scratch Fever the bass player. There was a gentleman by the name of Mike Huckabee that is on a show in the middle of the day that children can watch. And that's not about that, ain't about bacteria.

It's not no.

But do you see my point? You excuse that type of crudeness because you agree with his stance on firearms. Oh, you don't approve of Beyonce because she seems alien to you.

Johnny Cash shot a man just.

To watch him die.

Let me respond, however, some gangs.

You please, Let me respond.

When Ted Nugent did that song nineteen seventy eight, never got nominated for a Grammy. He didn't perform it on national television. In fact, you know what the song of the year that was, or that year was. It was a tie between Evergreen and You Light Up My Life and John Denver hosted the Grammys. My point is that song is an adult song geared for adults. But today we have a very different kind of depiction and things that are considered perfectly okay for kids point.

That's the difference.

You can't single out a corrosive culture and ignore the one that you live in because you're used to it and you don't feel that.

I want you to read the book and find did you okay.

It ain't Shakespeare, No, it's it's no.

I did not write this for the Harvard factor, because that might be over their.

Heads the way that you use the term Harvard as a derogative. It blows is a.

Wonderful place, however.

Oh no, but don't you think you're using it as a derivati. Look you're saying, you know those professors at Harvard that are experts in their fields, like, it's.

No, it's weird.

I've spoken at Harvard's bright kids there. But here's the point. Sometimes people who have lived in that world believe that the education that they have is absolutely so superior to the education that somebody may get out there in the interior of the country at a state school.

Now, let me just say, don't you feel that people who live in other parts of the country believe the education they got, whether it be on a farm or in a thing, is superior. Isn't that my whole point?

That's why such which believes that.

They are somehow different from the other.

But there's a reference.

And this is the point I made, is there's a difference between education and smart. If you your car breaks down in the middle of the night on the country road, who do you want coming by an NBA and a beamer or do you want a couple of good old boys in a pickup truck with a toolbox in the back.

Just tell me which fun.

Both of those scenarios feel very frightening.

The men, and they probably should.

I want God, Guns, Grits, and Grave and gravy.

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